[00:00] <Ubulette> i'm not very good at bug triaging
[00:01] <Ubulette> i just pick up some bugs mostly at random intervals so i'm not reliable for that job
[00:01] <asac> its not ment to be a job assignment
[00:01] <asac> just wanted to give you helper scripts so you don't need to write things that are common
[00:01] <Ubulette> [reed], what is sisyphus ?
[00:01] <asac> (in case you look at bugs)
[00:02] <Ubulette> ok, thx
[00:02] <asac> would be good if you could listen a bit more after updates for serious regressions
[00:02] <asac> you don'Ät need to process them.
[00:03] <asac> in the long run i hope to push the bug triaging to te QA team
[00:05] <asac> isn't really a good investment to waste developers times on processing bugs imo.
[00:05] <asac> developers should fix them ... but not triage them
 Ubulette: so what is about reporter.jar? is that build by accident? <= no idea, it's built everywhere, i never looked into this.
[00:06] <Ubulette> does it hurt ?
[00:06] <asac> yes it wastes pricious CD space
[00:06] <asac> its identical so if it cannot go we should at least link it
[00:07] <asac> s/pri/pre/
[00:07] <asac> we have someone that regularly looks for wasted space on CD ... and reporter.jar showed up :)
[00:08] <asac> i can take a look if you don't know
[00:08] <asac> just thought you might know whats this aboute
[00:15] <asac> Ubulette: btw we are now in beta freeze
[00:15] <Ubulette> yep, got the announce
[00:15] <Ubulette> too bad for prism
[00:15] <asac> ah ... cool so you are finally subscribed :)
[00:15] <asac> prism?
[00:15] <asac> its in universe
[00:15] <asac> it just needs a manual push through the queue
[00:15] <asac> no approval (well. except ff)
[00:22] <Ubulette> that small window usually occurs when you don't restart ff after an upgrade
[00:25] <asac> yes right
[00:25] <asac> i have seen that too now that i think about it
[00:26] <asac> maybe we should have a session at UDS about how we can make ffox/xul upgrades more graceful
[00:26] <asac> in fact we would need to force a restart ... somehow
[00:29] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Ideas/Intrepid
[00:30] <asac> feel free to add ideas ;)
[00:30] <asac> is intrepid actually the right spelling?
[00:30] <asac> ok appears to be right
[00:32] <asac> Ubulette: ^^
[00:32] <Ubulette> ok
[00:55] <asac> [reed]: wasn't the "home button only in bookmarks menu" fixed in beta4?
[00:58] <Ubulette> i think it's moved only if it's visible or something like that
[01:04] <asac> move only if its visible?
[01:04] <asac> where?
[01:04] <asac> i have the bookmarks toolbar removed and still there is no home :/
[01:05] <asac> why can't this be at least added to customize ... :)
[01:05] <asac> or is it fixed in b5pre?
[01:06] <Ubulette> you need to make the toolbar visible, customize it, move the home, then hide the toolbar again
[01:06] <Ubulette> there's a long discussion in the bug about that
[01:07] <asac> mmm ... thats far from intuitive
[01:07] <asac> after all you cannot even select "customize ..." on bookmarks toolbar
[01:08] <asac> (if you manager to find a place to hit the right mouse button at all)
[01:08] <asac> (i had to remove a bookmark to try this)
[01:08] <asac> ah ok
[01:08] <asac> you can select right below
[01:08] <asac> but thats most likely 1 point :)
[01:09] <asac> anyway, as i cannot claim to be a usability guy, i will just let this o
[01:09] <asac> good to know how to do it though :)
[01:09] <asac> s/this o/this go/
[01:16] <Ubulette> b5pre crashed shortly after startup
[01:17] <Ubulette> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667/
[01:17] <asac> Ubulette: old game ... missing files?
[01:18] <asac> Ubulette: does your system work at all :)
[01:18] <Ubulette> yes
[01:18] <asac> i just ask because libc was broken :)
[01:18] <asac> or was it stdc++ ?
[01:18] <asac> hmm
[01:18] <asac> no idea ;)
[01:18] <Ubulette> i missed that update (it was early this morning)
[01:18] <asac> me too ;)
[01:19] <asac> but the upgrade i ran on my main system 4 hours ago was pretty tough
[01:19] <asac> i had to reboot in order to be able to anything
[01:20] <asac> couldn't sign gpg (with agent) ... apparently because i couldn't even start X apps anymore
[01:20] <Ubulette> i retry without gdb
[01:20] <asac> maybe install -dbg packages for libstdc++ libc
[01:20] <asac> and libglib
[01:20] <asac> and libgtk
[01:21] <asac> (just in case)
[01:21] <asac> there should be -dbg packages for those in the normal archive
[01:21] <asac> _progname?
[01:21] <Ubulette> I have the dbgsym for ff and xul installed
[01:22] <Ubulette> my session has 70 tabs so it's not easy to debug
[01:22] <asac> yes. but most steps appear to somewhere else
[01:22] <asac> installing the other -dbg packages might improve that backtrace a lot
[01:22] <Ubulette> no crash this time
[01:23] <asac> so just a first timer?
[01:23] <Ubulette> maybe, or gdb
[01:24] <Ubulette> i crashed after about a third of my 70 tabs were loaded
[01:24] <Ubulette> it
[01:24] <asac> sounds like a race
[01:24] <asac> do you still have 70 tabs open so you can retry?
[01:24] <Ubulette> hm, ff is taking 100% cpu
[01:25] <asac> _progname appears to be just a symbol in the signal handler
[01:25] <asac> so installing -dbg packages might really be helpful here
[01:25] <asac> or submit a core dump to launchpad :)
[01:26] <Ubulette> it's rejected, not a native package
[01:26] <asac> huh?
[01:27] <Ubulette> apport
[01:27] <asac> in log?
[01:27] <asac> ok
[01:28] <asac> did you try to merge changes from .dev to .head back?
[01:28] <asac> (i think its just a changelog entry and a resolved .patch conflict)
[01:29] <Ubulette> I've resynced my .head an hour ago, thought you said you fixed them
[01:29] <asac> no i pushed them
[01:29] <asac> doesn't matter when we merge them
[01:30] <asac> i merged .head to .dev ... and pushed .head ... and .dev .... i just found that we had a changelog entry in .dev that wasn't on head (most likely because i uploaded firefox after .head had moved ahead)
[01:31] <Ubulette> i should be ok then
[01:31] <asac> ok
[01:31] <Ubulette> !dbgsym
[01:31] <ubotu> dbgsym is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[01:34] <asac> ok i merged xul.dev -> xul.head
[01:34] <asac> it was just changelog and series
[01:34] <Ubulette> eh?
[01:35] <asac> look at the commit
[01:35] <asac> we had a 0ubuntu3 release
[01:35] <asac> when .head was already ahead
[01:36] <asac> apparently the patches from .dev were manually added to .head ... i resolved that conflict during merge of .head -> .dev
[01:36] <asac> still there was the changelog entry in .dev ... so i now merged that up
[01:36] <asac> firefox 3 is ok
[01:36] <asac> only xulrunner was somehow out of sync
[01:36] <asac> e.g. firefox-3.0.head$ bzr merge ../firefox-3.0.dev/
[01:36] <asac> All changes applied successfully
[01:38] <asac> good to know that bzr is smart enough for this kind of bi-directional branch relationship
[01:38] <asac> i remember that in earlier bzr versions this would have gone nuts
[01:43] <Ubulette> it's slow in gdb
[01:43] <asac> hehe
[01:43] <asac> try in valgrind to experience a really painful user experience :)
[01:47] <Ubulette> ok, i've disabled an extension and cpu is back to normal
[01:47] <asac> which one?
[01:47] <Ubulette> http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_rubysupport.html.en
[01:50] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions/BogusList
[01:50] <asac> can you fill in there?
[01:50] <asac> :)
[01:50] <Ubulette> hm, my bm tools bar is broken
[01:51] <Ubulette> all folders appear empty (small square) like the bug of that guy above
[01:51] <asac> extension?
[01:54] <Ubulette> no, same if i move out my .mozilla
[01:54] <Ubulette> regression
[01:54] <asac> what is bm toolbar?
[01:54] <asac> ah bookmark
[01:54] <asac> ok
[01:54] <asac> i have the feeling that something is wrong with your build
[01:55] <Ubulette> it's just a new snapshot
[01:55] <asac> yes
[01:55] <Ubulette> i'll see tomorrow
[01:56] <asac> good
[01:56] <asac> good night
[01:56] <asac> maybe just an intermediate issue
[01:57] <Ubulette> i will just open a page with flash and it will die during the night
[01:57] <asac> flash is most likely a risk in itself
[01:57] <asac> independent from beta5pre :)
[01:58] <Ubulette> well, it was okay up to last month
[01:58] <asac> i guess we have about 300 bugs reported for such kind of crashes ... even against firefox 2
[01:58] <asac> ah ok
[01:59] <Ubulette> damn, all my bookmarks are in folders that I can no longer open
[01:59] <asac> i know how you feel
[01:59] <asac> thats how i felt for about a month at alpha8
[01:59] <asac> :)
[01:59] <asac> or was it a7
[01:59] <asac> cannot remember
[02:00] <asac> [reed]: is there any good document about mozilla 2?
[02:01] <Ubulette> the wiki
[02:01] <asac> what will happen ... how will xpcom be replaced ... how do you make upgrade paths reasonable for xul apps
[02:01] <asac> and extensions :)
[02:01] <asac> all these tiny questions ;)
[02:02] <Ubulette> i haven't seen anything about that
[02:02] <Ubulette> just how moz2 is being automatically rewritten
[02:02] <asac> [reed]: do you (personally) expect mozilla 2 to happen like it is envisioned atm at all?
[02:02] <Ubulette> plus the mercurial debate
[02:03] <asac> [reed]: i know how things go and without knowning any details (judging from rumours) i feel pretty much that this pitch is much too far to do in a single major release upgrade
[02:03] <asac> Ubulette: do they question mercurial?
[02:04] <Ubulette> yes
[02:04] <asac> and what? stick with cvs?
[02:04] <Ubulette> there was a flood a couple of days ago
[02:04] <asac> blog?
[02:05] <asac> [reed]: my point is: does it make sense to motivate epiphany developers again (which started to write a xul app instead of a gecko embed, but dropped it because of FUD) to resurrect their effords
[02:06] <asac> [reed]: i can understand that developers don't want to do a major shift if its all gone in two years or so
[02:07] <asac> [reed]: no idea if you are the right one to ask all these questions though ;) ... i hope that you can give me at least some initial inside
[02:07]  * [reed] reads above
[02:07] <asac> s/inside/insight/
[02:07] <Ubulette> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/7532d66890f63768/35411eaf7238d075#35411eaf7238d075
[02:08] <[reed]> moz2 is happening, but they've cut back a lot on what they were originally saying
[02:08] <asac> hmm ... i am subscribed to that afaik. why didn't i get that?
[02:08] <[reed]> like XPCOM isn't getting replaced until after moz2
[02:09] <[reed]> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mozilla_2
[02:09] <Ubulette> [reed], is the bookmarks toolbar folder bug known ?
[02:09] <[reed]> Ubulette: what bug is that?
[02:10] <[reed]> describe it
[02:10] <Ubulette> I can no longer open any folder in my bookmarks toolbar
[02:10] <Ubulette> same with a fresh profile
[02:10] <[reed]> heh
[02:10] <[reed]> I can... :)
[02:11] <[reed]> umm
[02:11] <asac> (4) I've found it pretty easy to get a corrupt repository.  Hitting
[02:11] <asac> control-C during or having a hook return an error during operations
[02:11] <asac> involving pushing or popping mq patches or stripping revisions seems
[02:11] <asac> pretty likely to lead to repository corruption.
[02:11] <asac> use bzr i guess
[02:11] <[reed]> or git
[02:12] <asac> git is too complicated
[02:12] <asac> the user interface of bzr is much more comprehensible (i think everyone will agree)
[02:12] <[reed]> bzr fails
[02:12] <[reed]> at parsing our repo
[02:12] <asac> and preformance issues are sorted atm
[02:12] <asac> i guess this can be fixed if mozilla calls for a new pitch round
[02:13] <asac> importing mozilla repo drives anything to its outer limits i guess
[02:13] <[reed]> hehe
[02:13] <asac> yeah thats true
[02:13] <asac> the main reason for not taking bzr was the performance
[02:14] <[reed]> yeah
[02:14] <asac> and it indeed sucked. but todays branch format is almost as good as git
[02:14] <asac> (from my limited personal experience)
[02:15] <asac> anyway. i doubt that its really a considered option to reconsider the DVCS used
[02:15] <asac> right?
[02:16] <Ubulette> no missing file, so it's something else
[02:16] <Ubulette> armin76, do you see this ?
[02:16] <Ubulette> asac, if you could try, it's in my ppa.
[02:17] <asac> Ubulette: do you maintain a debug build tree to look closer?
[02:17] <Ubulette> no, regular builds
[02:17] <asac> i mean if you have one on your disc that you eventually build ;)
[02:17] <asac> i'll try
[02:17] <asac> tomorrow ... or...l
[02:18] <asac> hmm unfortunately i am in berlin this weekend
[02:18] <asac> maybe sunday then
[02:19] <asac> but as you said. lets wait till tomorrow. maybe its just an intermediate issue
[02:20] <Ubulette> k
[02:20] <Ubulette> night all
[02:20] <asac> night
[02:21] <[reed]> asac: what do you mean? rethinking which VCS?
[02:21] <[reed]> we're not all-about-Hg
[02:21] <[reed]> open for change
[02:21] <[reed]> if something is obviously better
[02:27] <[reed]> asac: so, do you have b4 out yet?
[02:30] <asac> [reed]: yes b4 slipped in before b4 :)
[02:30] <asac> aeh ... i am tired i guess
[02:30] <asac> before beta freeze i mean
[02:31] <[reed]> k
[02:31] <[reed]> hopefully, we'll at least be to RC stage or later
[02:31] <[reed]> by hardy rc
[02:31] <asac> yeah :)
[02:31] <asac> i hope that too
[02:31] <asac> i can justify a RC
[02:31] <asac> but a beta
[02:32] <[reed]> our betas are awesome betas, though
[02:32] <[reed]> :p
[02:32] <asac> i don't want to think about that ;)
[02:32] <saivann> asac : I added fr-FR and fr-CA translations to ubufox in bazaar branch https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubufox/+branches
[02:32] <saivann> asac : If you have time to look at it, is it correct?
[02:32] <asac> [reed]: yes ... maybe i need to rename to firefoxb final :)
[02:32] <asac> jk
[02:32] <[reed]> lol
[02:32] <asac> saivann: great. that was quick
[02:33] <saivann> asac : There was few string to translate :) and that's the first time I use bzr, awesome
[02:33] <asac> congrats
[02:33] <saivann> asac : Txs :)
[02:33] <asac> [reed]: see ... how easy it is to use bzr ;)
[02:33] <saivann> hehe
[02:33] <[reed]> lol
[02:33]  * asac in marketing mode :)
[02:33] <saivann> ^_^
[02:34] <asac> of course this is all fake
[02:34] <asac> ;)
[02:34] <asac> saivann: let me merge them to main branch
[02:35] <saivann> asac : Great thanks! :)
[02:35]  * saivann hope that he did not do a big mistake with bzr
[02:36] <asac> lets see
[02:36] <asac> currently branching your branch
[02:36] <saivann> That should be correct I think
[02:37] <asac> saivann: you should name the files added/changed/deleted in your commit message
[02:37] <asac> otherwise it looks technically good (from bzr pov)
[02:37] <asac> let me look at the actual changes
[02:37] <saivann> asac : Ha, I knew that It was not possible that no mistakes exist :)
[02:38] <asac> saivann: we usually do like this:
[02:38] <asac> * comment on what has changed
[02:38] <asac>   - update path/to/file/1/for/that/change
[02:38] <asac>   - add path/to/file/2/for/that/change
[02:38] <asac>   - delete path/to/file/2/for/that/change
[02:38] <asac> :)
[02:38] <asac> anyway ... just a minor thing
[02:39] <saivann> asac : Thanks, this is instructive, should I change this or you will fix it by yourself?
[02:40] <asac> saivann: ok. merged
[02:41] <asac> can you mark that branch as "merged" ... so it doesn't appear on the active launchpad page?
[02:41] <asac> saivann: thats ok for now... just for the future ;)
[02:42] <asac> saivann: how did you propose the branch for merging ... funky
[02:42] <asac> ah i see that feature now
[02:42] <asac> thats decent
[02:42] <asac> now i would just need confirmation about that
[02:42] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main
[02:43] <asac> saivann: ah ... you should name LP bugs fixed in the commit as well
[02:43] <asac> (if there are any) :)
[02:43] <saivann> asac : Hum... wait..
[02:44] <asac> saivann: if there are bugs just set them to fix committed and link to my main branch
[02:44] <asac> i will see them if i prepare the next package update
[02:44] <saivann> asac : No bugs are associated and no blueprint, I set the status as merged... weird, am-I missing something?
[02:44] <asac> why?
[02:44] <asac> that doesn't sound wierd to me
[02:44] <asac> what do you find wierd?
[02:44] <saivann> asac : the branch still appears in the main page
[02:45] <asac> no for me
[02:45] <asac> try to reload
[02:45] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main
[02:45] <asac> either launchpad detected that i merged it
[02:45] <asac> or its because you changed the status
[02:45] <asac> no idea
[02:45] <saivann> asac : You don't see my branch here ? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubufox/+branches
[02:46] <asac> saivann: it is still "New"
[02:46] <asac> i don't see any "Merged" branch there
[02:46] <asac> saivann: you can change the state by "edit branch details" iirc
[02:47] <saivann> asac : Ok I just didn't found the good option, thanks
[02:47] <asac> saivann: do you want to call for translations? and integrate them in the same way as you did with fr?
[02:47] <saivann> asac : bug 139380 still exist but it's about multiples translations, I suggest to let the bug as Triaged
[02:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139380 in ubufox "Untranslated strings in ubufox" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139380
[02:47] <asac> saivann: you would have my blessing for that ;)
[02:48] <saivann> asac : Oh great, yes I can certainly do that, should I ask for this on the bug report? Or somewhere else?
[02:48] <asac> saivann: well ... i feel tempted to close that. we should have a bug per translation missing
[02:48] <asac> otherwise this bug will stay open forever
[02:48] <asac> saivann: no idea where to ask. i think there is a translators list
[02:49] <asac> saivann: maybe ask on -motu. if you cannot figure out, i can ask more :)
[02:49] <saivann> asac : There is probably a translator mailing list in launchpad since rosetta exist.. I will search for this
[02:49] <asac> good ... take a look at lists.ubuntu.com
[02:49] <asac> maybe the list is called i10n or something
[02:50] <saivann> Good, useful link :)
[02:50] <asac> saivann: thanks for doing this
[02:50] <saivann> asac : You're welcome, I'm glad to help on this
[02:51] <saivann> asac : Do you think that Firefox RC will be ready for the RC for Hardy?
[02:51] <asac> no i can't forsee that
[02:52] <asac> though i hope that it will
[02:52] <saivann> asac : I hope that it will since FF3 is really great
[02:52] <saivann> the beta 3 and 4 are awesome :)
[02:53] <asac> saivann: right. we are already shipping ff3 by default. i am almost certain that we won't change that decision
[02:54] <saivann> asac : Firefox beta are really stable, indeed
[02:54] <asac> measured by means of firefox 1.5/2, firefox 3 beta is definitly of high quality
[02:55] <asac> i think we are all excited about it
[02:55] <saivann> asac : I share your point of view, Firefox 3 really impress me
[02:58] <saivann> asac : I will sent a message with instructions to all localization list of ubuntu to get ubufox translations in a short time. I will invite them to open bug reports containing translated files and to subscribe me.
[02:59] <asac> saivann: if you mean all lists on lists.ubuntu.com then thats great
[02:59] <saivann> asac : Yes that's what I mean :)
[03:00] <asac> awesome
[03:00] <asac> thanks. keep me updated
[03:01] <saivann> asac : I will, anyway I will need to when I will have new branches to merge (with correct commit messages :) )
[03:02] <asac> yeah :) ... in a perfect world i would automatically see your "suggestions for merging" in launchpad
[03:03] <asac> but given that i am usually overloaded an irc ping is highly appreciated
[03:03] <asac> and most likely the only way to ensure that i don't miss them
[03:03] <asac> (which would be a shame)
[03:03] <saivann> haha :) np
[03:04] <saivann> I go now, thanks for your great work and for your guidance
[03:04] <asac> ok off as well
[03:04] <asac> night
[03:04] <asac> cu
[03:04] <saivann> night too
[04:18] <[reed]> you've got be kidding me
[04:18] <[reed]> "Remote Desktop" allows an 8 char password max?
[09:18] <asac> [reed]: did you try grdesktop?
[10:28]  * armin76 wonders
[10:29] <armin76> what would happen if i browse a page with an image hosted on a self-signed https?
[10:29]  * armin76 tires
[10:29] <armin76> bah
[10:29]  * armin76 tries
[10:30] <armin76> hah, okay, it doesn't get displayed :P
[10:30] <armin76> asac: implement!
[10:37] <asac> no idea if thats a bug
[10:37] <asac> is it displayed in ffox 2?
[10:37] <asac> armin76: ?
[10:39] <asac> carlos: how is the export going?
[10:40] <armin76> asac: well, on firefox2 you get the dialog stuff
[10:41] <armin76> so you can accept it, or reject it
[10:41] <asac> ok
[10:41] <armin76> if you accept, it gets displayed
[10:41] <asac> does it work if you say "view image" ?
[10:42] <armin76> well, i don't see the image, so i can't click on it :P
[10:42] <asac> oh
[10:42] <asac> not even broken?
[10:42] <asac> wierd
[10:43] <asac> but i guess its been a long time ago when i say a "broken image" placeholder in a browser
[10:43] <asac> so i assume that isn't done anymore noawadays
[10:43] <armin76> nope, not broken
[10:44] <armin76> have ff2 around to test?
[10:44] <armin76> http://planet.gentoo.org
[10:44] <armin76> just look for Tobias' post
[10:46] <carlos> asac: deferred until today...
[10:46] <asac> yep i see no image :)
[10:47] <asac> ff2 not around
[10:47] <asac> and it will corrupt my profile somehow
[10:49] <asac> [reed]: was the gconf backend fixed?
[10:49] <asac> (someone claims that gnome proxy settings are now used)
[10:50] <asac> or does it honour environment settings now?
[10:51] <asac> [reed]: e.g. how does "use system proxy settigs" work?
[10:52] <asac> ok appears to be not gconf
[10:54] <asac> carlos: ok thanks for the info
[10:55] <asac> carlos: thats ok ... davidm and agoliviera are late on their part too. i think they promissed to have something over the weekend. so if we have translations today we can directly do a large scalet test
[11:00] <asac> carlos: just reminded them that its urgent.
[11:00] <asac> so should work
[11:01] <carlos> ok :-)
[11:02] <asac> on the auto export things look good. i have to catch a few more corner cases (which don't matter that much for us right now) ... but otherwise i will start to upload auto export packages for firefox and xulrunner right after beta
[11:02] <asac> then we fix the package mangler to upload those
[11:03] <asac> and finally ... once .po files get into the translation tarball ... work on the integration of those in the langpack
[12:14] <Mirv> asac: hi. not only Polish .desktop translation, but you should import all the .desktop translations simply from the Firefox 2 packages so that people don't need to file bug report for each language that was translated before.. there has been bug 192333 about it for a month
[12:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192333 in firefox "Firefox 3 misses .desktop translations, should be copied from Firefox 2 debian/ directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192333
[12:15] <Mirv> (polish was added in the beta4 upload, but it's the only oen)
[12:27] <asac> Mirv: ok. milestoning
[12:27] <asac> thanks for the reminder
[12:28] <Mirv> great, thanks
[13:04] <Ubulette> hi
[13:05] <Ubulette> asac, I've tried an hourly build close to my snapshot, it's broken too
[13:09] <Ubulette> and it's fixed in the newest hourly
[13:19] <asac> ok fine
[13:25] <Ubulette> strange those hourly don't match our mozclient ones
[13:30] <Ubulette> !info mozilla-devscripts hardy
[13:30] <ubotu> mozilla-devscripts (source: mozilla-devscripts): Collection of dev scripts used by Ubuntu Mozilla packages. In component main, is optional. Version 0.05 (hardy), package size 14 kB, installed size 108 kB
[13:31] <Ubulette> main, good. So I can add it to depends, right ?
[13:31] <Ubulette> builddeps i mean
[13:31] <asac> well ... you don't need to do that for "just" get-orig-source
[13:31] <asac> it will happen soonish because of translations anyway. so i don't mind
[13:31] <Ubulette> i wanted to run compare at the end of each build
[13:31] <asac> ok
[13:31] <asac> go ahead then
[13:32] <asac> makes sense
[13:32] <Ubulette> yep
[13:39] <Ubulette> the list tab button is not very effective with 70+ tabs :P
[13:51] <asac> any idea how to improve this?
[13:52] <asac> jimmy_: there?
[13:52] <asac> jimmy_: where did you move the packaging to?
[13:53] <asac> jimmy_: ok found it
[13:54] <asac> jimmy_: good to see that you moved the packaging to a separate branch. thanks
[14:00] <Ubulette> 'Policy checker linda removed from testing/unstable'
[14:00] <asac> great
[14:00] <xhaker> is it?
[14:00] <Ubulette> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.announce/1187
[14:02] <xhaker> somebody should remove revu-tools depends on it then
[14:02] <asac> interesting that they still switch to svn
[14:04] <xhaker> asac: Preferred application here shows Browser as Custom: /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b3/firefox "%s"
[14:05] <asac> xhaker: how did that happen?
[14:05] <xhaker> i'm not sure what happened
[14:05] <asac> damn
[14:05] <xhaker> exactly.. i'm not sure
[14:05] <xhaker> but i have an idea
[14:05] <asac> so this happened after the upgrade?
[14:06] <asac> Ubulette: do "major version" upgrades always make the preferred applications dialog go to custom for you?
[14:06] <asac> e.g when going from b3 to b4 ... brom b4 to b5
[14:06] <asac> and so on
[14:06] <Ubulette> no
[14:06] <asac> ok
[14:06] <Ubulette> it's unrelated
[14:06] <xhaker> i think that after having removed .mozilla/ yesterday, firefox asked me if i wanted to make firefox the default browser
[14:06] <asac> xhaker: how long are you using ffox 3?
[14:06] <asac> xhaker: ok. that was beta3?
[14:07] <xhaker> asac: yes
[14:07] <asac> hmm ok.
[14:07] <asac> i think there is a bug open for this
[14:07] <xhaker> when I was testing ubufox
[14:07] <asac> can you try to find this so i can milestone it?
[14:07] <Ubulette> oh, should disable that
[14:07] <asac> we should force to use /usr/bin/firefox as the custom browser command
[14:07] <Ubulette> +we
[14:07] <asac> Ubulette: not sure if we want to disable the complete feature
[14:08] <asac> if it does the right thing then it can be beneficial i guess
[14:09] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 380115
[14:09] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 380115 in GFX: Thebes "Linux 16-bit widget size issues (black rectangle at bottom of long page)" [Major,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=380115
[14:09] <Ubulette> fixed today
[14:09] <xhaker> also, i need someone that can confirm if sun-java6-plugin works on ff3
[14:12] <xhaker> asac: this might help for the preferred applications bug
[14:12] <xhaker> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/185622
[14:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185622 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox 3 doesn't act as the default browser" [Medium,Incomplete]
[14:12] <xhaker> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/78202
[14:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78202 in firefox "firefox should use "firefox %s" for gconf browser key" [Low,Confirmed]
[14:13] <xhaker> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/196933
[14:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196933 in firefox-3.0 "firefox keeps asking to be default browser when it should not" [Undecided,New]
[14:13] <xhaker> they're all related afaict
[14:14] <xhaker> see you later.. about sun-java-6-plugin http://pastebin.com/m10c73038 , doko might need to a new upload if anyone can confirm it doesn't work :D
[14:14] <xhaker> classes!
[14:18] <asac> xhaker: thanks
[14:47] <Ubulette> asac, have a look at #ubuntu-devel
[14:48] <Ubulette> same with 'custom: mozilla-firefox %s'
[14:48] <asac> Ubulette: where`
[14:48] <asac> ?
[14:48] <asac> what time
[14:48] <Ubulette> most recent
[14:49] <asac> i only see lamont and hobsee
[14:49] <Ubulette> yes, that's it
[14:49] <asac> ah :)
[14:49] <asac> well
[14:49] <Ubulette> just read it
[14:50] <asac> yes
[15:06] <Ubulette> dh_link -pfirefox-3.0
[15:06] <Ubulette> touch debian/usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5pre/.autoreg
[15:06] <Ubulette> touch: cannot touch `debian/usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5pre/.autoreg': No such file or directory
[15:06] <Ubulette> make: *** [binary-install/firefox-3.0] Error 1
[15:07] <Ubulette> asac, ^^
[15:07] <asac> oh damn ... its too early
[15:08] <Ubulette> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12669926/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.firefox-3.0_3.0~b5~cvs20080314t0150%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:08] <asac> just move it down a few lines should work
[15:08] <asac> if the path is not completely wrong of course
[15:08] <Ubulette> i'll fix it properly to avoid the "*"
[15:09] <carlos> asac: that testing will need to wait until Monday, I need to leave and the testing server was down until recently...
[15:09] <Ubulette> it's damn too hazardous
[15:09] <Ubulette> +ed
[15:09] <carlos> asac: also, I'm on vacations next week, so either Danilo or Jeroen will do it, ok?
[15:09] <asac> Ubulette: whatever you prefer
[15:10] <asac> carlos: yeah. not perfect, but still in line with the timeline i have in my head :)
[15:10] <asac> carlos: have a nice holiday!
[15:10] <carlos> ok
[15:10] <carlos> enjoy your weekend!
[15:10] <asac> carlos: just at home or really doing recreational travel?
[15:10]  * carlos -> out
[15:11] <carlos> at home, with my family
[15:18] <Ubulette> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=723782
[15:21] <asac> yeah ... we should either use more strict dependencies or add a Breaks: to xulrunner
[15:22] <asac> Ubulette: isn't the dependency issue fixed by firefox? or was it just build-depends that got an upper bound?
[15:22] <Ubulette> it's fixed in .head
[15:22] <Ubulette> i did it yesterday
[15:22] <asac> yesterday?
[15:22] <asac> ok
[15:39] <asac> bug 145931
[15:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145931 in moblin-browser "Browser crashes when accepting a certificate" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145931
[15:44] <Ubulette> asac, any idea why I need the last rule ?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686/
[15:45] <Ubulette> Rules 7 doesn't apply for debian/firefox.sh, why ?
[15:45] <Ubulette> Rule
[15:51] <asac> Ubulette: well, most likely it doesn't match DOTs
[15:52] <asac> so maybe %.sh would help
[16:07] <Ubulette> http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2008/03/building-firefox-video-element-backends.html
[16:07] <Ubulette> indeed, git is far less intuitive than bzr
[16:09] <Ubulette> [reed], will the video html5 patch make it before final ?
[16:16] <[reed]> Ubulette: not in Fx3 for sure
[16:17] <Ubulette> too bad
[16:17] <Ubulette> that would be a killer
[16:17] <[reed]> yeah
[16:17] <[reed]> it's still not done
[16:17] <[reed]> and Firefox 3 is already "killer"
[16:17] <[reed]> so... ;)
[16:19] <Ubulette> I agree but it depends to whom you ask.. corrupted rendering, black pictures, unsupported addons, bogus zoom, etc
[16:19] <Ubulette> forgot crashes with flash
[16:20] <armin76> not being able to browse images hosted on https self-signed certs :P
[16:20] <armin76> but probably for windows will work, so... :P
[16:28] <Ubulette> asac, did you find the ephi/xul regression ?
[17:01] <asac> Ubulette: yes it was a build tree only regression
[17:01] <Ubulette> ?
[17:01] <asac> once i have applied the api fix to the real package it worked
[17:01] <asac> 2.5 days wasted :(
[17:01] <asac> my svn build tree was busted
[17:01] <Ubulette> ephi ?
[17:01] <asac> i thought that i had enough experience to not run into such kind of time wasters anymore ... but here we go
[17:01] <Ubulette> or xul ?
[17:02] <asac> ephy
[17:03] <Ubulette> ok
[17:03] <asac> Ubulette: black pictures is us
[17:04] <asac> its our libjpeg
[17:04] <asac> i could reproduce that it doesn't happen with hacked libjpeg from moz
[17:04] <asac> i have targetted it for release
[17:04] <asac> if we don't find a good cherry-pick we will switch to in source jpeg before release
[17:06] <Ubulette> how come i've never seen this ?
[17:07] <asac> Ubulette: didn't we talk about the cherry-pick?
[17:08] <asac> or was that someone else ?
[17:08] <Ubulette> we talked about moz patched jpeg but I don't remember the end
[17:08] <asac> bug 182038
[17:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182038 in xorg-server "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182038
[17:08] <asac> milestoned for final (xul target)
[17:09] <asac> ok i have to go and pick up a friend from the main station ... then we will go to berlin.
[17:09] <asac> will be back on sunday
[17:09] <asac> anything pressing right now?
[17:10] <Ubulette> no
[17:10] <asac> ok thanks. nice weekend all!
[17:11]  * asac out of town
[17:11] <Ubulette> bye
[17:11] <asac> bye
[17:31] <fta> let's wait for a nick collision to see if it's still used
[21:30] <fta> [reed], mozilla bug 422991
[21:30] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 422991 in Build Config "'make distclean' misses some files" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=422991
[22:27] <[reed]> ubotu: yeah, I saw
[22:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yeah, i saw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:27] <[reed]> er
[22:27] <[reed]> fta:
[22:27] <fta> yep
[22:36] <fta> Bug 202336
[22:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202336 in firefox-3.0 "[hardy] Firefox sets wrong inputfocus when starting with opened sidebar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202336