[00:00] i'm not very good at bug triaging [00:01] i just pick up some bugs mostly at random intervals so i'm not reliable for that job [00:01] its not ment to be a job assignment [00:01] just wanted to give you helper scripts so you don't need to write things that are common [00:01] [reed], what is sisyphus ? [00:01] (in case you look at bugs) [00:02] ok, thx [00:02] would be good if you could listen a bit more after updates for serious regressions [00:02] you don'Ät need to process them. [00:03] in the long run i hope to push the bug triaging to te QA team [00:05] isn't really a good investment to waste developers times on processing bugs imo. [00:05] developers should fix them ... but not triage them [00:06] Ubulette: so what is about reporter.jar? is that build by accident? <= no idea, it's built everywhere, i never looked into this. [00:06] does it hurt ? [00:06] yes it wastes pricious CD space [00:06] its identical so if it cannot go we should at least link it [00:07] s/pri/pre/ [00:07] we have someone that regularly looks for wasted space on CD ... and reporter.jar showed up :) [00:08] i can take a look if you don't know [00:08] just thought you might know whats this aboute [00:15] Ubulette: btw we are now in beta freeze [00:15] yep, got the announce [00:15] too bad for prism [00:15] ah ... cool so you are finally subscribed :) [00:15] prism? [00:15] its in universe [00:15] it just needs a manual push through the queue [00:15] no approval (well. except ff) [00:22] that small window usually occurs when you don't restart ff after an upgrade [00:25] yes right [00:25] i have seen that too now that i think about it [00:26] maybe we should have a session at UDS about how we can make ffox/xul upgrades more graceful [00:26] in fact we would need to force a restart ... somehow [00:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Ideas/Intrepid [00:30] feel free to add ideas ;) [00:30] is intrepid actually the right spelling? [00:30] ok appears to be right [00:32] Ubulette: ^^ [00:32] ok [00:55] [reed]: wasn't the "home button only in bookmarks menu" fixed in beta4? [00:58] i think it's moved only if it's visible or something like that [01:04] move only if its visible? [01:04] where? [01:04] i have the bookmarks toolbar removed and still there is no home :/ [01:05] why can't this be at least added to customize ... :) [01:05] or is it fixed in b5pre? [01:06] you need to make the toolbar visible, customize it, move the home, then hide the toolbar again [01:06] there's a long discussion in the bug about that [01:07] mmm ... thats far from intuitive [01:07] after all you cannot even select "customize ..." on bookmarks toolbar [01:08] (if you manager to find a place to hit the right mouse button at all) [01:08] (i had to remove a bookmark to try this) [01:08] ah ok [01:08] you can select right below [01:08] but thats most likely 1 point :) [01:09] anyway, as i cannot claim to be a usability guy, i will just let this o [01:09] good to know how to do it though :) [01:09] s/this o/this go/ [01:16] b5pre crashed shortly after startup [01:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667/ [01:17] Ubulette: old game ... missing files? [01:18] Ubulette: does your system work at all :) [01:18] yes [01:18] i just ask because libc was broken :) [01:18] or was it stdc++ ? [01:18] hmm [01:18] no idea ;) [01:18] i missed that update (it was early this morning) [01:18] me too ;) [01:19] but the upgrade i ran on my main system 4 hours ago was pretty tough [01:19] i had to reboot in order to be able to anything [01:20] couldn't sign gpg (with agent) ... apparently because i couldn't even start X apps anymore [01:20] i retry without gdb [01:20] maybe install -dbg packages for libstdc++ libc [01:20] and libglib [01:20] and libgtk [01:21] (just in case) [01:21] there should be -dbg packages for those in the normal archive [01:21] _progname? [01:21] I have the dbgsym for ff and xul installed [01:22] my session has 70 tabs so it's not easy to debug [01:22] yes. but most steps appear to somewhere else [01:22] installing the other -dbg packages might improve that backtrace a lot [01:22] no crash this time [01:23] so just a first timer? [01:23] maybe, or gdb [01:24] i crashed after about a third of my 70 tabs were loaded [01:24] it [01:24] sounds like a race [01:24] do you still have 70 tabs open so you can retry? [01:24] hm, ff is taking 100% cpu [01:25] _progname appears to be just a symbol in the signal handler [01:25] so installing -dbg packages might really be helpful here [01:25] or submit a core dump to launchpad :) [01:26] it's rejected, not a native package [01:26] huh? [01:27] apport [01:27] in log? [01:27] ok [01:28] did you try to merge changes from .dev to .head back? [01:28] (i think its just a changelog entry and a resolved .patch conflict) [01:29] I've resynced my .head an hour ago, thought you said you fixed them [01:29] no i pushed them [01:29] doesn't matter when we merge them [01:30] i merged .head to .dev ... and pushed .head ... and .dev .... i just found that we had a changelog entry in .dev that wasn't on head (most likely because i uploaded firefox after .head had moved ahead) [01:31] i should be ok then [01:31] ok [01:31] !dbgsym [01:31] dbgsym is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash [01:34] ok i merged xul.dev -> xul.head [01:34] it was just changelog and series [01:34] eh? [01:35] look at the commit [01:35] we had a 0ubuntu3 release [01:35] when .head was already ahead [01:36] apparently the patches from .dev were manually added to .head ... i resolved that conflict during merge of .head -> .dev [01:36] still there was the changelog entry in .dev ... so i now merged that up [01:36] firefox 3 is ok [01:36] only xulrunner was somehow out of sync [01:36] e.g. firefox-3.0.head$ bzr merge ../firefox-3.0.dev/ [01:36] All changes applied successfully [01:38] good to know that bzr is smart enough for this kind of bi-directional branch relationship [01:38] i remember that in earlier bzr versions this would have gone nuts [01:43] it's slow in gdb [01:43] hehe [01:43] try in valgrind to experience a really painful user experience :) [01:47] ok, i've disabled an extension and cpu is back to normal [01:47] which one? [01:47] http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_rubysupport.html.en [01:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions/BogusList [01:50] can you fill in there? [01:50] :) [01:50] hm, my bm tools bar is broken [01:51] all folders appear empty (small square) like the bug of that guy above [01:51] extension? [01:54] no, same if i move out my .mozilla [01:54] regression [01:54] what is bm toolbar? [01:54] ah bookmark [01:54] ok [01:54] i have the feeling that something is wrong with your build [01:55] it's just a new snapshot [01:55] yes [01:55] i'll see tomorrow [01:56] good [01:56] good night [01:56] maybe just an intermediate issue [01:57] i will just open a page with flash and it will die during the night [01:57] flash is most likely a risk in itself [01:57] independent from beta5pre :) [01:58] well, it was okay up to last month [01:58] i guess we have about 300 bugs reported for such kind of crashes ... even against firefox 2 [01:58] ah ok [01:59] damn, all my bookmarks are in folders that I can no longer open [01:59] i know how you feel [01:59] thats how i felt for about a month at alpha8 [01:59] :) [01:59] or was it a7 [01:59] cannot remember [02:00] [reed]: is there any good document about mozilla 2? [02:01] the wiki [02:01] what will happen ... how will xpcom be replaced ... how do you make upgrade paths reasonable for xul apps [02:01] and extensions :) [02:01] all these tiny questions ;) [02:02] i haven't seen anything about that [02:02] just how moz2 is being automatically rewritten [02:02] [reed]: do you (personally) expect mozilla 2 to happen like it is envisioned atm at all? [02:02] plus the mercurial debate [02:03] [reed]: i know how things go and without knowning any details (judging from rumours) i feel pretty much that this pitch is much too far to do in a single major release upgrade [02:03] Ubulette: do they question mercurial? [02:04] yes [02:04] and what? stick with cvs? [02:04] there was a flood a couple of days ago [02:04] blog? [02:05] [reed]: my point is: does it make sense to motivate epiphany developers again (which started to write a xul app instead of a gecko embed, but dropped it because of FUD) to resurrect their effords [02:06] [reed]: i can understand that developers don't want to do a major shift if its all gone in two years or so [02:07] [reed]: no idea if you are the right one to ask all these questions though ;) ... i hope that you can give me at least some initial inside [02:07] * [reed] reads above [02:07] s/inside/insight/ [02:07] http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/7532d66890f63768/35411eaf7238d075#35411eaf7238d075 [02:08] <[reed]> moz2 is happening, but they've cut back a lot on what they were originally saying [02:08] hmm ... i am subscribed to that afaik. why didn't i get that? [02:08] <[reed]> like XPCOM isn't getting replaced until after moz2 [02:09] <[reed]> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mozilla_2 [02:09] [reed], is the bookmarks toolbar folder bug known ? [02:09] <[reed]> Ubulette: what bug is that? [02:10] <[reed]> describe it [02:10] I can no longer open any folder in my bookmarks toolbar [02:10] same with a fresh profile [02:10] <[reed]> heh [02:10] <[reed]> I can... :) [02:11] <[reed]> umm [02:11] (4) I've found it pretty easy to get a corrupt repository. Hitting [02:11] control-C during or having a hook return an error during operations [02:11] involving pushing or popping mq patches or stripping revisions seems [02:11] pretty likely to lead to repository corruption. [02:11] use bzr i guess [02:11] <[reed]> or git [02:12] git is too complicated [02:12] the user interface of bzr is much more comprehensible (i think everyone will agree) [02:12] <[reed]> bzr fails [02:12] <[reed]> at parsing our repo [02:12] and preformance issues are sorted atm [02:12] i guess this can be fixed if mozilla calls for a new pitch round [02:13] importing mozilla repo drives anything to its outer limits i guess [02:13] <[reed]> hehe [02:13] yeah thats true [02:13] the main reason for not taking bzr was the performance [02:14] <[reed]> yeah [02:14] and it indeed sucked. but todays branch format is almost as good as git [02:14] (from my limited personal experience) [02:15] anyway. i doubt that its really a considered option to reconsider the DVCS used [02:15] right? [02:16] no missing file, so it's something else [02:16] armin76, do you see this ? [02:16] asac, if you could try, it's in my ppa. [02:17] Ubulette: do you maintain a debug build tree to look closer? [02:17] no, regular builds [02:17] i mean if you have one on your disc that you eventually build ;) [02:17] i'll try [02:17] tomorrow ... or...l [02:18] hmm unfortunately i am in berlin this weekend [02:18] maybe sunday then [02:19] but as you said. lets wait till tomorrow. maybe its just an intermediate issue [02:20] k [02:20] night all [02:20] night [02:21] <[reed]> asac: what do you mean? rethinking which VCS? [02:21] <[reed]> we're not all-about-Hg [02:21] <[reed]> open for change [02:21] <[reed]> if something is obviously better [02:27] <[reed]> asac: so, do you have b4 out yet? [02:30] [reed]: yes b4 slipped in before b4 :) [02:30] aeh ... i am tired i guess [02:30] before beta freeze i mean [02:31] <[reed]> k [02:31] <[reed]> hopefully, we'll at least be to RC stage or later [02:31] <[reed]> by hardy rc [02:31] yeah :) [02:31] i hope that too [02:31] i can justify a RC [02:31] but a beta [02:32] <[reed]> our betas are awesome betas, though [02:32] <[reed]> :p [02:32] i don't want to think about that ;) [02:32] asac : I added fr-FR and fr-CA translations to ubufox in bazaar branch https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubufox/+branches [02:32] asac : If you have time to look at it, is it correct? [02:32] [reed]: yes ... maybe i need to rename to firefoxb final :) [02:32] jk [02:32] <[reed]> lol [02:32] saivann: great. that was quick [02:33] asac : There was few string to translate :) and that's the first time I use bzr, awesome [02:33] congrats [02:33] asac : Txs :) [02:33] [reed]: see ... how easy it is to use bzr ;) [02:33] hehe [02:33] <[reed]> lol [02:33] * asac in marketing mode :) [02:33] ^_^ [02:34] of course this is all fake [02:34] ;) [02:34] saivann: let me merge them to main branch [02:35] asac : Great thanks! :) [02:35] * saivann hope that he did not do a big mistake with bzr [02:36] lets see [02:36] currently branching your branch [02:36] That should be correct I think [02:37] saivann: you should name the files added/changed/deleted in your commit message [02:37] otherwise it looks technically good (from bzr pov) [02:37] let me look at the actual changes [02:37] asac : Ha, I knew that It was not possible that no mistakes exist :) [02:38] saivann: we usually do like this: [02:38] * comment on what has changed [02:38] - update path/to/file/1/for/that/change [02:38] - add path/to/file/2/for/that/change [02:38] - delete path/to/file/2/for/that/change [02:38] :) [02:38] anyway ... just a minor thing [02:39] asac : Thanks, this is instructive, should I change this or you will fix it by yourself? [02:40] saivann: ok. merged [02:41] can you mark that branch as "merged" ... so it doesn't appear on the active launchpad page? [02:41] saivann: thats ok for now... just for the future ;) [02:42] saivann: how did you propose the branch for merging ... funky [02:42] ah i see that feature now [02:42] thats decent [02:42] now i would just need confirmation about that [02:42] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main [02:43] saivann: ah ... you should name LP bugs fixed in the commit as well [02:43] (if there are any) :) [02:43] asac : Hum... wait.. [02:44] saivann: if there are bugs just set them to fix committed and link to my main branch [02:44] i will see them if i prepare the next package update [02:44] asac : No bugs are associated and no blueprint, I set the status as merged... weird, am-I missing something? [02:44] why? [02:44] that doesn't sound wierd to me [02:44] what do you find wierd? [02:44] asac : the branch still appears in the main page [02:45] no for me [02:45] try to reload [02:45] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main [02:45] either launchpad detected that i merged it [02:45] or its because you changed the status [02:45] no idea [02:45] asac : You don't see my branch here ? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubufox/+branches [02:46] saivann: it is still "New" [02:46] i don't see any "Merged" branch there [02:46] saivann: you can change the state by "edit branch details" iirc [02:47] asac : Ok I just didn't found the good option, thanks [02:47] saivann: do you want to call for translations? and integrate them in the same way as you did with fr? [02:47] asac : bug 139380 still exist but it's about multiples translations, I suggest to let the bug as Triaged [02:47] Launchpad bug 139380 in ubufox "Untranslated strings in ubufox" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139380 [02:47] saivann: you would have my blessing for that ;) [02:48] asac : Oh great, yes I can certainly do that, should I ask for this on the bug report? Or somewhere else? [02:48] saivann: well ... i feel tempted to close that. we should have a bug per translation missing [02:48] otherwise this bug will stay open forever [02:48] saivann: no idea where to ask. i think there is a translators list [02:49] saivann: maybe ask on -motu. if you cannot figure out, i can ask more :) [02:49] asac : There is probably a translator mailing list in launchpad since rosetta exist.. I will search for this [02:49] good ... take a look at lists.ubuntu.com [02:49] maybe the list is called i10n or something [02:50] Good, useful link :) [02:50] saivann: thanks for doing this [02:50] asac : You're welcome, I'm glad to help on this [02:51] asac : Do you think that Firefox RC will be ready for the RC for Hardy? [02:51] no i can't forsee that [02:52] though i hope that it will [02:52] asac : I hope that it will since FF3 is really great [02:52] the beta 3 and 4 are awesome :) [02:53] saivann: right. we are already shipping ff3 by default. i am almost certain that we won't change that decision [02:54] asac : Firefox beta are really stable, indeed [02:54] measured by means of firefox 1.5/2, firefox 3 beta is definitly of high quality [02:55] i think we are all excited about it [02:55] asac : I share your point of view, Firefox 3 really impress me [02:58] asac : I will sent a message with instructions to all localization list of ubuntu to get ubufox translations in a short time. I will invite them to open bug reports containing translated files and to subscribe me. [02:59] saivann: if you mean all lists on lists.ubuntu.com then thats great [02:59] asac : Yes that's what I mean :) [03:00] awesome [03:00] thanks. keep me updated [03:01] asac : I will, anyway I will need to when I will have new branches to merge (with correct commit messages :) ) [03:02] yeah :) ... in a perfect world i would automatically see your "suggestions for merging" in launchpad [03:03] but given that i am usually overloaded an irc ping is highly appreciated [03:03] and most likely the only way to ensure that i don't miss them [03:03] (which would be a shame) [03:03] haha :) np [03:04] I go now, thanks for your great work and for your guidance [03:04] ok off as well [03:04] night [03:04] cu [03:04] night too [04:18] <[reed]> you've got be kidding me [04:18] <[reed]> "Remote Desktop" allows an 8 char password max? [09:18] [reed]: did you try grdesktop? [10:28] * armin76 wonders [10:29] what would happen if i browse a page with an image hosted on a self-signed https? [10:29] * armin76 tires [10:29] bah [10:29] * armin76 tries [10:30] hah, okay, it doesn't get displayed :P [10:30] asac: implement! [10:37] no idea if thats a bug [10:37] is it displayed in ffox 2? [10:37] armin76: ? [10:39] carlos: how is the export going? [10:40] asac: well, on firefox2 you get the dialog stuff [10:41] so you can accept it, or reject it [10:41] ok [10:41] if you accept, it gets displayed [10:41] does it work if you say "view image" ? [10:42] well, i don't see the image, so i can't click on it :P [10:42] oh [10:42] not even broken? [10:42] wierd [10:43] but i guess its been a long time ago when i say a "broken image" placeholder in a browser [10:43] so i assume that isn't done anymore noawadays [10:43] nope, not broken [10:44] have ff2 around to test? [10:44] http://planet.gentoo.org [10:44] just look for Tobias' post [10:46] asac: deferred until today... [10:46] yep i see no image :) [10:47] ff2 not around [10:47] and it will corrupt my profile somehow [10:49] [reed]: was the gconf backend fixed? [10:49] (someone claims that gnome proxy settings are now used) [10:50] or does it honour environment settings now? [10:51] [reed]: e.g. how does "use system proxy settigs" work? [10:52] ok appears to be not gconf [10:54] carlos: ok thanks for the info [10:55] carlos: thats ok ... davidm and agoliviera are late on their part too. i think they promissed to have something over the weekend. so if we have translations today we can directly do a large scalet test [11:00] carlos: just reminded them that its urgent. [11:00] so should work [11:01] ok :-) [11:02] on the auto export things look good. i have to catch a few more corner cases (which don't matter that much for us right now) ... but otherwise i will start to upload auto export packages for firefox and xulrunner right after beta [11:02] then we fix the package mangler to upload those [11:03] and finally ... once .po files get into the translation tarball ... work on the integration of those in the langpack [12:14] asac: hi. not only Polish .desktop translation, but you should import all the .desktop translations simply from the Firefox 2 packages so that people don't need to file bug report for each language that was translated before.. there has been bug 192333 about it for a month [12:14] Launchpad bug 192333 in firefox "Firefox 3 misses .desktop translations, should be copied from Firefox 2 debian/ directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192333 [12:15] (polish was added in the beta4 upload, but it's the only oen) [12:27] Mirv: ok. milestoning [12:27] thanks for the reminder [12:28] great, thanks [13:04] hi [13:05] asac, I've tried an hourly build close to my snapshot, it's broken too [13:09] and it's fixed in the newest hourly [13:19] ok fine [13:25] strange those hourly don't match our mozclient ones [13:30] !info mozilla-devscripts hardy [13:30] mozilla-devscripts (source: mozilla-devscripts): Collection of dev scripts used by Ubuntu Mozilla packages. In component main, is optional. Version 0.05 (hardy), package size 14 kB, installed size 108 kB [13:31] main, good. So I can add it to depends, right ? [13:31] builddeps i mean [13:31] well ... you don't need to do that for "just" get-orig-source [13:31] it will happen soonish because of translations anyway. so i don't mind [13:31] i wanted to run compare at the end of each build [13:31] ok [13:31] go ahead then [13:32] makes sense [13:32] yep [13:39] the list tab button is not very effective with 70+ tabs :P [13:51] any idea how to improve this? [13:52] jimmy_: there? [13:52] jimmy_: where did you move the packaging to? [13:53] jimmy_: ok found it [13:54] jimmy_: good to see that you moved the packaging to a separate branch. thanks [14:00] 'Policy checker linda removed from testing/unstable' [14:00] great [14:00] is it? [14:00] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.announce/1187 [14:02] somebody should remove revu-tools depends on it then [14:02] interesting that they still switch to svn [14:04] asac: Preferred application here shows Browser as Custom: /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b3/firefox "%s" [14:05] xhaker: how did that happen? [14:05] i'm not sure what happened [14:05]