[00:00] do I have to mount manually? (since I normally use ubuntu I have forgot how to do...) [00:01] yes, from the rescue system you would have to mount things manually [00:02] assuing your usb and old partition are fat16/32 then it should just be 'mount /dev/hdnn /mnt/blah' [00:02] hmm... [00:03] ok. /dev/hda01 for harddisk then perhaps... is the usb called something else than hd? (and yes both are fat32) [00:10] well I try that tomorrow. now it is time for some sleep === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [02:03] hi [02:10] hi havok [02:27] * Stryk got the Xubuntu CD to work and is consequently overjoyed. [02:32] :) [02:32] good news, Stryk [02:37] nice [02:39] Turns out the problem occurred when I tried to burn it. So I followed the steps listed in ubuntu docs and voila. [02:40] Running the cd rom integrity check just to be safe. [05:41] Hi, anyone there [05:41] ?* [05:46] sorta... if you have a question ask it... If someone can answer, then they will [05:49] Okay, I'm trying to get my network card to work (D Link DWL-G630). Apparently, I need to download Madwifi. However, with internet not working on Xubuntu, I have to download it from my desktop (running Windows) and transfer it over on memory stick. But I don't even know how to access my memory stick on Xubuntu. Blarg. [05:56] Stryk: all you should have to do is plug the usb stick in [05:56] it should just automagically mount [05:57] if it doesn't auto-mount then you would need to figure out what the device name was then do something like sudo mount /dev/devname /mnt [06:02] Huh, I think my problem might be because my usb stick went kerplooey. [06:04] Yeah, definitely the usb stick. Stuck it into desktop and explorer just locked up. Tried connecting my mp3 player to laptop running Xubuntu and it works fine. [06:04] interesting [06:04] Hey The-Kernel. [06:05] Do I have to unmount the device each time or can I just pull it out? [06:07] if its like a media player or flash drive, unmount it everytime [06:07] Okay. [06:07] is there anyone who can help me with a gedit command? [06:07] gedit? [06:08] well im trying to fix this [06:08] http://mytechxp.blogspot.com/2007/11/fixing-long-boot-time-with-black-screen.html [06:09] when i get to #2 it tells me gedit command is not found [06:09] so i went to synaptic to download gedit, but it tells me it does not support my system [06:10] is there another command i can use for xubuntu? [06:10] any text editor will work [06:10] nano is already there [06:10] mousepad, nano, vi, scite, emacs... [06:10] you should be able to install gedit though [06:10] but how do i save it without using sudo in the terminal? [06:11] save what ? [06:11] the text conf file [06:11] you would start mousepad with a command like gksu mousepad filename [06:13] awesome, thanks fellas [06:13] im getting this stuff little by little [06:13] zoredache - do you know your way around ALSA ? [06:15] (02:12:58) im getting this stuff little by little << Same here, though just started today heh. [06:17] seem to have cut copy and paste figured out :-) [06:25] (02:17:42) seem to have cut copy and paste figured out :-) << Lol no, mIRC's being run on my desktop. Laptop's not even connected to the internet yet. :P [06:26] I have ubuntu patition and some debian based partitions in my machine. I installed windows above that. Now once again I want to install a debian based partition. But when I select manual partitioning option it is not showing any of my old partitions. How to solve it? [06:29] what does it show under windows? [06:29] when you look partitions under windows [06:32] Ultraputz, now i have booted into debian based partition . I opened gparted. It is showing "unallocated 149 Gib" [06:32] boot into windows [06:32] and look at the partition tool there [06:32] Ultraputz, ok [07:00] When I first came to this network, I thought it was familiar. I tried to use my usual nick "Dissentor", but realized someone else had registered it. Thought that was interesting, so I used "Stryk". Ironically, it was I who had registered Dissentor some time ago when visiting the Wikipedia channel. Wow I am thick. [07:01] hehe === Dissentor is now known as Stryk === Stryk is now known as Dissentor [07:47] So, how do I install the xubuntu 8.04 alpha 6 on my ubuntu server box(also 8.04 alpha 6)? I tried apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, but that got me xubuntu 7.10. [07:58] undu, for 8.04 help you need to go to #ubuntu+1 - but check the repos you are using [07:59] ok [07:59] Thanks. [07:59] :) === Stryk is now known as Dissentor === leche_y_galletas is now known as leche [13:15] Hi, anyone there? I need some help installing the madwifi driver. [13:35] Dissentor, also ask in #ubuntu, might be the same procedure [13:45] Thanks, I'll try that. [14:20] hey, i am not able to find the place where i can change the loginsplash [14:20] can anybody help me? :-) [14:20] Is there a way that, when I press a button on a joystick, it can emulate a keypress? [14:32] Seeeb: Applications -> Settings -> Login Window [14:56] thx gabkdlly :) [15:42] hey, I have a problem when I try to install Xubuntu. When I start to boot the cd to install it, it says: cant access tty; job control off. I have a aspire2920 laptop. Anyone have any ideas. I got one tip about turning off splash and quiet at the start with F6, but I didnt quite know what to do with the string that popped up when I pushed F6 O_O [15:50] i'm on borrowed time. just restarted the computer, so right now i have a clear picture, but in a few mins my screen is going to go all buggy. it looks like interference on a tv screen. is there some known issue associated with this someone might know about? [17:17] hi, someone can halp me configuring jre on xubuntu 7.10?i can compile and use external class...but i can't execute (Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError) [17:17] some ideas? [17:18] does anyone know why xorg needs 100% cpu activity from one of my (luckily) 2 cpus ? [17:50] Hey, I get these error messages that there is some demand problem with openoffice.org-core and some other openoffice.org stuff. It wont cooperate and will not be reinstalled [17:51] anyone know anything about that? [17:59] what kind of version is that Alpha 3 ?? [18:22] How do I dual boot windows XP and Xubuntu and Which one do I install first? I'm doing this because I'm not completely ready to switch to linux. [18:22] generally it is a lot easier to install windows first [18:23] Ok. I have windows installed right now. I know what partitioning is but is it something i need to do? [18:23] !dualboot | KB3POF [18:23] KB3POF: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot [18:24] KB3POF: Unless you were to use wubi, you will need to create a partition for linux [18:24] Ok. Thank you. I'm all new to this, so I have no idea what you are talking about. [18:25] wubi is an ubuntu installer that runs under windows and stores the filesystem within your existing partitions [18:25] but, it has the drawback of being a bit slwoer for disk operations [18:25] <^u^> KB3POF, make sure there is free space for xubuntu when you partition for windows [18:26] whatever you choose to do, I strongly reccomend that you make a backup of your data first [18:26] Oh...Ok....I understand that now. How do I create a partition and How do I know how much space to give to each partition? [18:26] read the links that ubotu gave you [18:27] Ok..I have a network set up here so I can just back that up to my desktop. I'm trying to install linux on a laptop..BTW [18:27] it is all covered there. The installer can resize partitions, and I believe there are some size reccomendations... I suspect you need at least 4-6gb though [18:29] ok...Right now I have about 15GB free. Is this installation something that is dificult or is it pretty easy. Like is most of it done by the installer and I just select what I want to do. Kind of like the windows xp installation. [18:29] the installation is pretty easy [18:31] Ok. Thank you very much. I have been trying different distros on live cds for months now. The two I like are Fedora 8 and Xubuntu. The only problem is that I can't get the wireless card to work in Fedora. But everything works just fine in xununtu. I decided to go with Xubuntu. [18:32] I have also tried other IRC forums for help and when I ask a question they would totally ignore me. At least in here I got the help I needed. Thank you so much. [18:32] <^u^> KB3POF, good luck with it :) [18:32] sometimes you have to be a little patient in irc... the person witht he answer may be busy or away [18:33] Thanks. I will probably be back. Ok, thank you. [18:45] Sorry, but, I have another question. When 7.10 isn't supported anymore and they have other updates say 7.2 or something, Is it possible to update the computer to 7.2 from 7.10 and not lose any of your files? [18:50] :) [18:50] exit [18:52] <^u^> in ubuntu I can use a .gtkrc-2.0 file to change the colour of the panels' background - doesn't seem to work with the xfce panels - is there another way? [18:56] KB3POF: upgrading is quite easy. Usually you can leave all the files in your home directory where they are while the rest of your system gets upgraded (ie program files) [18:57] KB3POF: ubuntu is usually simple to upgrade to new version, the number might be 8.4 since it's 2008 and april [18:57] KB3POF: sometimes you have to delete configuration files after an upgrade so it is a good idea to make a backup before upgrading [18:58] ok thanks. i was just worried that I would have to try to find a way to back up everything (which i should do anyway) everytime i upgrade. I actually have another computer here that I would like to use as network storage, I just have to find time to do it. Ok. Yea i will definetly find a way to back up everything in an easier way than cds. [19:00] KB3POF: I usually only backup my home directory and don't bother with program files. there are some rare settings and configurations that get stored elsewhere, but for me they have not yet been worth the bother [19:01] some people keep their home directory on a separate partition. That way they can nuke the program files, reinstall, and all meaningful settings are right where they were before the reinstall [19:01] gabkdlly, KB3POF I would also suggest backing up at least /etc/ [19:01] but, I have not found this worth my bother either [19:02] some people have to spend a lot of time getting things configured just right [19:02] true true [19:04] ok. Thanks for the information and tips and if I need some more help I'll be back. [19:06] anybody know why gnuchess might kick my cpu usage up to 100%? [19:07] Haden: because it is trying to forcast all the possible moves way into the future [19:07] basically after every move you make it playes the game a few hundred times based on the current state of the bored [19:07] board* [19:08] I believe there are settings that govern how deep it looks and how difficult it is [19:09] I suppose, just didn't think it would use so much cpu to the point that in 2-d mode you can visually see the frame-by-frame movement of the pieces [19:09] well it is also possible something is broke for you... [19:10] I just was saying that it is normally pretty cpu-hungry [19:10] yeah, it makes sense [19:10] I am using a 1.7ghz p3-m [19:10] shrug [20:02] Whats the default theming for Xubuntu (I changed it to look through, but cant find out what it was - as it doesnt have a cancel option! [20:02] mez_: just create a new user [20:03] TheSheep, thats too much hassle... I just wanna know what the default was [20:03] and hmmm [20:03] How do you create a new user? [20:03] mez_: there are screenshots on xubuntu.org [20:04] KB3POF: system->users and groups [20:04] TheSheep, you're not being very helpful. A name would be nice, rather than sending me to check against screenshots, which I may or may not be able to identify [20:04] ok. Thanks, Im actually beginning to install it. I'm dual booting it with XP. I'm currently backing up files. [20:05] mez_: sorry, I don't have a default look either [20:05] Mez_: What do you mean by theme? Are you talking about the backgrounds and look and appearance of the windows? [20:05] mez_: you can check the defaults in /etc/xdg/ [20:05] TheSheep, OI can understand that [20:06] I like the one named "Default-4.2" ;) [20:06] KB3POF, the theme under apps->settings-> user interface settings [20:09] TheSheep, thanks, found it under that folder :D [20:12] Oh. Ok. Well once you started talking again I got lost. I'm very new to linux. I have been trying different distros for the past few months to find the one I like best and I found Fedora 8 and xubuntu but I cant get fedora to work with my wireless card so i decided to go with Xubuntu. Xubuntu also seems more user friendly. [20:34] If I'm installing xubuntu onto a blank harddrive do I use the alternate CD or the live-CD? Additionally... do I need to have a specific formatting (NTFS/FAT32) or does that not matter? [20:37] <^u^> Nefu, the alternate cd is for systems without enough memory to run the live cd - 192mb+ for the live cd - and ext3 for linux and you will need a swap partition of 2x the memory size [20:39] What is the swap partition used for? [20:40] <^u^> extra memory to put it simply - but hard drives are slower than memory [20:40] can I format a partition to ext3 from WinXP? (assuming I have the space, etc) [20:40] Oh. Do I need the swap Partition and is there any special formatting for it? [20:41] I'm pretty new to partitioning. i know a fair amount but it isn't something i do a lot of. [20:41] <^u^> yep - you need the swap partition - and the partitioner will give that option [20:42] How can I get NM so it doesnt ask for a password to acess my wireless key ? [20:42] And now the dumb question: Partitioner being on the live CD or something else? [20:43] ok. Thank you <^u^> [20:43] <^u^> k [20:44] <^u^> Nefu, the cds - live and alternate both have a partitioner - called gparted [20:45] Fancy. Thanks a bunch. [20:46] <^u^> Nefu, the installation starts with a couple of questions about your locale etc then the partitioner fires up - you will get a choice to use the whole disk, the free space or use manual partitioning [20:49] And, related to the above question, if I say the entire disk, would that automatically create a swap partition or do I need to do that manually? [20:51] anyone know - I'm sure this is an annoyinng problem for everyone [21:14] <^u^> Nefu, it will make a swap for you [21:17] (so it does, didn't realize how smooth the install would be, thanks for the help) [21:23] <^u^> :) [21:25] cromag ? please dont tell me thats ex-jsor cromag [21:25] its not. [21:26] lol. darn [21:26] i was hoping it was. been a long time since ive spoke with him [22:03] anyone good with hardware ? [22:04] or can point me to an nvidia room [22:04] ? [22:04] <^u^> !nvidia | pc-illiterate [22:04] pc-illiterate: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [22:06] nope. i need to find out if its my vid card that is bad [22:07] <^u^> pc-illiterate, does it work with the vesa driver? [22:07] huh ? [22:08] if i install it i get a black screen. i dont even get the grub screen [22:08] <^u^> pc-illiterate, in a terminal - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - and choose vesa as the card driver - it is a failsafe [22:08] <^u^> k [22:09] to be honest i tried to boot into windows to play UT99. i got a black screen [22:09] my monitor went into hibernate [22:09] i dont understand it. it worked until i installed drivers for linux [22:10] <^u^> I'd pull the card out of the socket and replace it a couple of times and make sure all connections are tight [22:10] i opened packet manager, installed nvidia-xlg and nvidia-xlg-dev, restarted and boom. no video [22:10] <^u^> linux drivers won't affect the h/ware [22:12] after that i powered down. installed the card, rebooted and no video [22:12] <^u^> ahh - did you disable the original card in the bios [22:13] so i dont understand what happened if i didnt affect the card..... [22:13] bios has pci and agp options. its been set for pci since i got the pc [22:13] im on onboard intel gfx [22:13] <^u^> what card were you using when you installed the nvidia drivers? [22:14] makes it kinda hard to play anything with 4meg video [22:14] was using onboard [22:14] <^u^> the comp is trying to use the intel then [22:14] xubuntu didnt like gforce card [22:15] <^u^> all gforce work ok in *buntu [22:15] <^u^> you need to boot with the nvidia card in and then install the drivers [22:15] its an old card. its a gforce4 mx440se. i looked and it told me 7.10 doesnt support [22:16] <^u^> there's the restricted driver manager for the drivers for that card [22:16] i dont get any screen with it installed. [22:17] i was putting in to run windows then pulling out to run linux [22:17] so should i uninstall the drivers i installed ? [22:18] im totally new to linux. i have never worked with it before. i just got it installed wednesday and lost video wednesday night. i just got it working again today when i came in here [22:18] <^u^> i would disable the onboard in the bios and boot with the nvid in [22:19] but i cant disable in bios as far as i know. only 2 options i found was pci and agp [22:20] i'll try again but question first. [22:20] <^u^> is there both slots - or are they calling the onboard agp [22:20] if i disable onboard and gfx card is fried, i can still use onboard to get in bios after onboard is disabled right ? [22:20] i have no agp slot [22:21] <^u^> then the onboard is agp so disable that and I think you will get back to the bios if the the card is fried [22:22] ok. i'll try but if i dont make it back, i'll be mad and you wont know lol [22:22] <^u^> you should be ok :) [22:22] think thats a funny line right now. ive laughed more with linux than i ever have with xp [22:23] <^u^> gotta laugh sometimes or you'll end up crying :) [22:23] dude i cried when i thought my pc was toast wednesday. [22:23] this think gives me my sanity [22:23] ok im out. [22:23] maybe back, maybe not [22:24] well should i uninstall these drivers i installed ? [22:25] <^u^> no - you'll need them if you boot with th nv card [22:25] i just want to be sure they are the right ones [22:25] im thinking i should have the legacy drivers [22:26] as soon as i find, i'll show you before i go [22:26] <^u^> k [22:27] Below are the legacy GPUs that are no longer supported in the unified driver. These GPUs will continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases. The 1.0-96xx driver supports the following set of GPUs: [22:28] and mine is listed there [22:29] that is from this page [22:29] http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html [22:29] <^u^> http://fixunix.com/ubuntu/338225-nvidia-geforce-4-mx440se.html - gives one method as well === grelot is now known as Grelot`Away [22:34] so do you think it would be wise to install the legacy drivers after uninstalling the ones i installed previously ? [22:35] <^u^> try that for a first go [22:35] and i did dl the drivers from nvidia also...i just didnt install them. the-kernel told me to install the ones that i did [22:35] <^u^> k [22:35] ok. im going to install the card and try to reboot. wish me luck. [22:36] <^u^> lots of luck :) [22:51] <[1]KB3POF> I am currently trying to install a dual boot of xubuntu and windows xp. I need to know what to select now to partition the drive? [22:52] <^u^> install windows first but leave free space fo xubuntu [23:05] hey kernel [23:06] remember me ? [23:06] and ^u^...i get no video with the card installed [23:07] kinda sucks having to go into windows just to shut down my pc so i can pull the card [23:09] ok. you guys read that and im shutting down so i can pull the card. be back when i get into linux [23:12] I need HELP. I'm installing xubuntu alongside XP. I need someone to talk me through the steps on partitioning the HDD. [23:12] Please [23:13] <^u^> KB3POF, sure [23:14] <^u^> !patience [23:14] The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [23:15] Thanks, well I got to the part where it says Prepare disk space. It wants me to select guided resize IDE1 master, partition #1 and use freed space. It wants me to move a slider to size the new partition. Is this the partition that xubuntu will be installed on? [23:18] <^u^> KB3POF, for a first install use the free space option - it will do the swap and all [23:21] Is that the Guided - use the largest continuous free space option? [23:21] <^u^> yep [23:21] ok Thanks. [23:22] <^u^> k [23:22] it said, "failed to partition the disk" [23:23] <^u^> KB3POF, ok - select manual partitioning [23:24] ok then. [23:24] <^u^> pc-illiterate, back using intel? [23:25] yes i am [23:26] <^u^> I thought the mx440 was too late for the legacy drivers [23:26] with the card installed ,wether i have the monitor plugged into onboard or pci, i get no screen. i see the startup progress bar if im connected to pci card then black screen [23:27] actually.......... [23:27] <^u^> ... [23:27] if the card is in the slot, i get nothing on onboard [23:28] <^u^> to use the card the onboard has to be disabled [23:29] nothing in bios about onboard [23:29] only pci and agp [23:29] <^u^> it's the agp pc-illiterate [23:29] ok but im on the pci. [23:29] <^u^> you don't have an agp port you said [23:29] correct [23:30] i can switch between pci and agp. i put it to pci [23:30] <^u^> so disable the agp port in bios [23:30] as far as i know it is [23:31] <^u^> or install the card and boot in recovery then install the later drivers [23:31] The installer froze. [23:31] <^u^> or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select nv as the card driver [23:32] so right now, uninstall the drivers i installed, install the legacy drivers( or do i install the drivers i dl from nvidia ? ) [23:32] <^u^> KB3POF, did you do the md5 check on the disk? [23:32] The what? [23:33] <^u^> pc-illiterate, I would put the card in and boot in recovery kernel - then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose nv as the card driver [23:33] <^u^> !md5 | KB3POF [23:33] KB3POF: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [23:33] ok [23:34] <^u^> KB3POF, that is something you should do before any attempt at installation [23:36] Oh. Well I didn't know that. Thanks for the tips, but I think I'm going to wait on this because I'm getting a laptop from a friend and I will be able to install just linux by itself. But, I will remember these tips. Thank you very much for your help. [23:38] <^u^> "just linux" is the kernel only - you won't be able to do much at all... [23:38] I mean't the distro. lol [23:38] Xubuntu [23:39] <^u^> linux isn't a distro - it is the interface to the hardware [23:39] <^u^> k :) [23:39] <^u^> !partition | KB3POF [23:39] KB3POF: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in !GNOME under !Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For !Edgy and later, see !fstab and !DiskMounter [23:40] Ok. Thank you all very much for the help. [23:40] <^u^> :) [23:56] hey ^u^... 1 question before i go. if this doesnt work, how do i reconfig for onboard video? i dont want to reinstall xubuntu [23:57] <^u^> pc-illiterate, boot in recovery and type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose intel for the card driver [23:58] lol. that easy huh ? [23:58] <^u^> yep [23:59] <^u^> linux wasn't designed to be hard [23:59] ok. imma try this again [23:59] <^u^> lots of luck [23:59] but the drivers and stuff are hard to figure out. trying to figure out what works and what doesnt