[00:19] Riddell: can you add me to kubuntu-members, please? [00:21] blueyed: come along to the meeting on wednesday https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NewMemberHowto [00:21] a formality for you of course, but I think still useful [00:22] Riddell: ok. It wasn't clear from the "Membership Approval through other Teams", if I should do so. [00:25] Hobbsee: please give back kdemultimedia-kde4 when you can [00:26] * Riddell snoozes [00:26] sweet dreams Riddell [01:07] vorian: uploaded keurocalc [01:07] Riddell: you rockin' the archive admin stuff or what? [01:07] weeee! [01:11] nixternal: I think he's rockin in bed :) [01:11] hrmm, I guess so [01:12] nah, it is 1am on a Saturday morning there [01:12] he hasn't had enough irn to pass out yet [01:12] hehe :) [01:12] * Jucato had some white wine last night... [01:14] Did Riddell say anything more about my kde-guidance patch after ScottK2 vanished an hour an a half ago? [01:14] I had some Dr. Pepper [01:14] ScottK2: he said it destroyed Jupiter [01:14] The planet or is that a computer? [01:14] the planet [01:14] and you may have damaged one of Saturns moons [01:14] Kewl. [01:15] I don't see anything about [01:15] the last thing he said you were still here it seems [01:15] I knew Python was powerful, but I no idea ... [01:15] hehe [01:15] it is so powerful they charge you over $200 to go to their conference [01:16] * ScottK2 never really felt a need for the conference - just codes... [01:16] I was thinking about going to a sprint or 2 next week, as those are free [01:16] When are you moving? [01:16] I really want to meet up with jcastro tomorrow night, but pawning off these rugrats is proving difficult right now [01:16] one of these days [01:17] nixternal: I have two words for you ... Duct Tape. [01:17] lol [01:17] duct tape and nyquil! [01:17] and not the child's nyquil [01:18] Anisette and tell them it a licorice drink. [01:18] or however you spell those words [01:18] they look right to me [01:18] K. [01:19] hey, as long as you can spell vector::const_iterator all is good [01:19] I probably spelled that wrong [01:19] been a while since I used a const iterator [01:19] it's correct [01:19] w00t [01:19] I actually remembered something [01:19] * Jucato had to use one this week... [01:20] in Konvi? [01:20] but I forgot which Konvi class I used it on :) [01:20] yeah [01:20] std::vector or Qt vector [01:20] Qt of course :P [01:20] ah Qt class. QStringList :) [01:20] I think we tested Qt vs. STD with vectors in one of our C++ classes and the STD version won [01:21] won in what category? [01:22] speed [01:22] we would try and blow them [01:22] create fake queues with them and what not [01:22] ah [01:23] I have created an all-in-one conversion app that is plain STD, but I have been thinking about converting it to Qt and giving it a gui [01:24] * Jucato is still undecided about the whole STD containers/iterators/templates/algorithms vs Qt thing... but is brainwashed to think Qt is better :P [01:25] btw nixternal, do you have flash there? [01:28] ya [01:28] of course I do, I am a YouTube junky dude [01:28] you might be intersted in http://youtube.com/watch?v=FQt-h753jHI [01:28] YouTube is to me what MySpace is to you, HEAVEN :p [01:28] MySpace to me (and in this country) is ALIEN [01:29] * Jucato is going to try out facebook though... gotta be waaay better than friendster :) [01:29] gahahahaha [01:30] Jucato: dude, that took me a while to catch it [01:30] :D [01:30] I thought she was just trying to Mariah's song in another language [01:30] to *sing* Mariah's song... [01:31] * nixternal watches that again [01:31] she did say it was English :P [01:31] right.. breakfast :D [01:32] my god, it is funnier the second time [01:37] and it doesn't grow old :) [01:49] Quote of the Day in response of "how to get rid of these rugrats": [01:49] 20:48:27 [ ScottK2] Play hide and seek. Declare yourself it. Don't look for them. [01:49] hahahahahahahahahahahaha [01:50] Now you're giving away my secrets. [01:51] that is classic [01:51] I messaged my mom that one on the cell phone [01:51] right now, my dad and brother are on the phone, they call me 3-way just to listen to them talk about golf [02:12] ken lee! tulibu dibu douchoo! [02:12] hahahahahha [02:13] I seriously thought she was doing a parody in another language [02:13] and I was like "damn, she is doing pretty decent" [02:13] then I realized she had no clue what she was saying [02:13] hehe :) [02:13] w00t, back in a few, I think one of the tranquilizer darts took effect on the 4 year old [02:15] whoa! tranquilizer darts for kids!! [02:15] gotta get me one of those [02:18] One is not enough [02:18] :D [02:35] Riddell: I updated my displayconfig patch so it will not crash if not root and there is no xorg.conf. From the testing I've done here, the only bad thing is some bogus config entries the first time you use displayconfig. [02:36] So I think (assuming other's testing bears this out) that this is up to definitely better than crashing. [02:37] So some guy's first bug he files, he files with a patch, and I get to tell him. "Thank you for playing, already fixed by upstream in Hardy. Please try again." [02:38] lol === _czessi is now known as Czessi [04:09] !info koffice [04:09] koffice (source: koffice): KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.3-0ubuntu5.1 (gutsy), package size 25 kB, installed size 76 kB [04:11] If I have the choice between installing Kubuntu Hardy w/KDE4 on 32 or 64 bit, which should I choose? [04:11] Addressable memory, of course, not an issue. [04:12] I'm thinking I should go for 32-bit just for simplicity. [04:12] I have had no issues with the 32bit version, my 64bit version I have, however that could be related to my ATI video card [04:12] True that. And this machine does have an nvidia... so 32-bit good. [04:12] I have tested Foresight 64, Debian 64, openSUSE 64, Kubuntu 64, and trunk/ build on 64, and they all freeze at one point or another [04:14] Well since my laptop has been more reliable lately, I'm going to just use my old desktop for KDE4 testing. [04:21] ok /me uploaded a fixed kdegraphics-kde4 to the kde4 ppa and hopes she didn´t screw up anything [04:21] off to bed - nini :) [04:29] Is all KDE4 development going onto the PPA? [04:32] rock and roll is a way of life! join #nixternal_is_a_rock_god now! [04:32] now don't ban me sillies [04:32] I am bug hunting in konversation [04:33] how do you accept a dcc chat? [04:33] in irssi [04:33] ooh [04:33] You stop using irssi? [04:34] I don't have it enabled [04:34] heck no I didn't stop using irssi [04:34] I am bug hunting in konvi right now [04:35] No, I mean that's the solution to your problems :) [04:35] no doubt right [04:36] nixternal: "you poor bastard" [04:36] lol [04:37] I went into #ubuntu-chicago and asked if anyone wanted to cyber :p [04:37] they called !ops [04:37] hahahaha === tomcat is now known as nixternal_ [04:37] ... [04:39] yup, it still crashes [04:44] Is cups stable in hardy? [05:01] been stable for me, then again I use nothing but HP products [05:02] !info ktorrent [05:02] ktorrent (source: ktorrent): BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.1-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 2698 kB, installed size 9932 kB [05:13] nixternal: Okay, me too. This box I just put hardy KDE4 onto only needs a stable kernel and cups. [05:13] I don't really use it as a desktop much. [05:44] manchicken: you have a second to help me with a perl problem? [05:45] Sure [05:45] Anything for you ;) [05:45] die "Could not determine MP3 version, aborting" if ($fileinfo->{VERSION}==""); [05:45] instead of just dying out [05:46] Do you know who wrote that? [05:46] how difficult would it be to add a prompt for the user to either (S)kip or (A)bort [05:46] mp32ogg [05:46] They're horrible people. That's bad perl. [05:46] you want to take a look at the mp32ogg app and see if you can make it better? [05:47] And the answer is yes, that'd be simple... but that looks like something that they should die on. [05:47] it does seem that nobody is maintaining it [05:47] well, if they do 'mp32ogg *.mp3' it would be nice if it hits a bad version, that it allows the user to Skip that bad mp3 and move on to the next one [05:47] Ah. [05:47] Good point. [05:47] What package is this in? [05:47] mp32ogg [05:48] bug 79259 has more details [05:48] Launchpad bug 79259 in mp32ogg "several bugs with filename" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79259 [05:48] I'm not a huge fan of the KDE4 just yet.... sigh. [05:48] How many common Perl apps do folks use in Ubuntu? [05:48] Hell, I can do Perl all day long. [05:48] there is a patch attached to fix the cases on the extension that needs to be added, and then the possibility to skip on a bad mp3 [05:49] I guess there are quite a bit of perl code some of the devs use [05:49] including Kubuntu docs if you ever want to take a look at that mess of a script [05:49] the problem is people writing quick & dirties adding on and adding on and adding on. [05:50] But that's a common problem... so I'm just crying because the sky is blue now. [05:50] for my ogg conversions I use pacpl, it is a great cli conversion utility [05:53] the sky is blue!?! oh dear god [05:53] Is there a bzr repo for mp32ogg? [05:54] don't think so...seems development on it has been dead for a bit [05:54] I don't know much about the audio formats, but fixing the problem you mentioned should be simple. [05:54] Okay, I'll just source it then. [05:56] Wow, lots of nasty code in there. [05:57] hehe [05:57] that was perl I could understand though...almost seems as if he chose perl with a bash mentality [05:57] I'd be afraid to run perlcritic on this application. [05:57] Unfortunately many folks do that. [05:58] That's why you see so many people complain that it's unreadable. [06:12] * manchicken submits a patch for mp32ogg [06:13] * nixternal goes to grab patch and upload [06:14] You might want to test it. [06:14] I can't make a bad mp3 file to test that portion...I have tried [06:14] It compiles cleanly, but I don't have any files to test it with. [06:14] Yeah, I don't know how to do that. [06:14] We might have to ask the user to supply one. [06:15] I actually don't think anybody's run into this case by looking at the report... it just looks like they're critiquing code without being considerate enough to fix it :) [06:15] As I'm sure you'll see in my patch, this is a very simple problem to solve. [06:16] I'm trying to decide betwen gOS, foresight, or edubuntu to put on this machine now. [06:17] I just use this machine as a glorified jukebox and print server anymore. [06:18] I just asked the users to test it [06:18] I'm leaning towards edubuntu since it's got some neat games that my kiddo might dig. [06:18] Righto. Thanks. [06:18] Kubuntu with KDE Edu [06:18] Feel free to hit me up with Perl questions. [06:18] all Edubuntu is is Gnome with KDE Edu [06:18] what's a good perl book for me to grab? [06:18] But it's got neat artwork :) [06:18] heh, it has the same artwork for the past 2 years now [06:18] Well, that depends, do you want a book you'll read through, or do you want a reference? [06:19] have you ever checked out the KDE Kids artwork theme? [06:19] nixternal: And KDE hasn't? :P [06:19] heh [06:19] I haven't, but I just noticed the kids icon packages in svn [06:19] I'm also thinking about gOS. [06:19] gOS is going down the tubes quick I hear [06:19] I've checked it out. IT's just cartooney icons. [06:19] I doubt it. [06:19] that xjdriver69 (Aaron) used it [06:19] They're a funded venture. [06:20] wouldn't work woth a dookey for him..we put it on a Gateway machine at the uni and it actually worked [06:20] They just got started, and they're selling craploads of machines on walmart.com [06:20] which Kubuntu and Ubuntu were the only systems we have seen work on this one Gateway machine [06:20] gOS is just Ubuntu with e17 and fancy themeing going on. [06:20] they are also receiving a bunch in return [06:21] 60% or more of the ones they sold in the store were returned [06:21] that is why they dropped the stores [06:21] Where'd you read that? [06:21] you can't go into outhouse country with a computer and expect it to do well [06:21] Walmart announced it last week [06:21] they are only sticking with .com sales now [06:21] I heard about the store drops, but not about the returns. [06:21] They didn't mention that in their press release. [06:22] I had a hell of a time returning mine because I bought it online..but the store manager finally allowed it [06:22] I ended up buying that developer board they had listed on the gOS website [06:22] that thing is killer for $60 [06:23] I am going to get one of those KPCs for $199 [06:23] better hardware [06:23] if you like Gnome, then the OS is much better as well, but I would quickly replace that with the K :) [06:24] Why did you return it? [06:24] didn't work [06:24] How so? [06:25] wouldn't post [06:25] smell of something cooking [06:25] I would have just traded it, but wallyworld.com said I had to pay for shipping it back to them [06:25] no go homeskillets, you aren't sticking me twice with that [06:26] But have you used gOS? [06:26] yes [06:26] Do you think it's as neat as I do? [06:26] it is cool no doubt [06:27] I think they just targeted it all wrong [06:27] I think it's bound to be the distro that works because of live CDs. [06:27] How do you figure? [06:27] I think their target market is folks who don't want to learn computers. [06:27] for one, the stores they did place them in (ie. the Walmart outside of Pocahontas, AR) only has dial-up for a majority of their internet connections [06:28] Folks who don't know the difference between a web app and a desktop app, and have no interest in learning. [06:28] only reason I know that is because my sisters are from Pocahontas, and it is super sticks [06:28] I'm talking about gOS, not greenpc [06:28] most of those people steal more from walmart than they purchase [06:28] I was talking about the greenpc, sorry [06:29] if you read the comments on walmart.com, you can see pretty much everyone replaced gOS with Ubuntu [06:29] That's because they're geeks :) [06:29] the whole Google Apps thing I guess was a turnoff for most [06:29] exactly [06:29] I don't think geeks were the target of gOS. [06:29] I was going to use the little guy out in the garage or the kitchen area [06:29] I think my father in law was the target of gOS. [06:30] I will say this though, their initial release on the greenpc, was garbage [06:30] it had no less than 100 showstopping bugs [06:30] the version that is out now is much more stable [06:31] damn, the KPC, I am going to get those for the LUG [06:31] why build our own when we can get a decent rig for $200 [06:31] and maybe KPC will cut us a break [06:31] or Shuttle rather [06:31] Yeah, another case of rush-to-market. [06:31] I just hope it lasts long enough to give e17 a fighting chance. [06:31] every distro on store shelves has been a rush to market [06:32] only one that did decent was Lindows/Linspire [06:32] I remember when enlightenment was all folks talked about. [06:32] oh ya, I used it for a bit back in the day [06:32] I play with e17 every now and then [06:32] Best Buy needs to sell Dellbuntu machines. [06:32] Though I'm still buying System76. [06:33] ya they do...only reason I say so, is my buddy is the store manager for 5 of the DuPage area stores, and he says people either come in asking for it, or bring in an Ubuntu live cd to test their machines [06:33] he lets me put Ubuntu CDs in his stores too :) [06:34] Frys was supposed to sell BSD boxes but it never happened [06:36] Pretty much anybody will. [06:36] Microcenter still sells Linspire boxes...we had a guy show up to the lug last month with one [06:36] You just have to explain what you're doing. [06:36] I love oswd [06:37] free templates? [06:37] Yes. [06:37] hehe, I used them a couple of times back in 2002/2003 for cheap clients [06:37] I'm making a simple MV CMS system for libraries. [06:37] It's outstanding. [06:38] I am listening to Yael Naim, French singer...great voice [06:38] she is the person who sings that Macbook Air song [06:39] Yeah. [06:39] You got her CD? [06:40] well, I got it while testing a KTorrent bug :p [06:40] but I will purchase it no doubt [06:42] damn, I hope my nephew doesn't wet my bed! [06:42] I forgot to toss the plastic on [06:42] ARGHHHHHHHH [06:44] nixternal->sleep(); [06:44] g'nite [06:44] thanks manchicken for looking at that mp32ogg pkg [06:44] hopefully someone will respond and say it works [08:20] Why do installers always congratulate you when you've completed an install? [08:20] It's like, "no, congratulations to you. You're the one who did all the work." [08:34] heh [08:37] Hobbsee: How goes it? [08:38] assignmenting :) [08:40] Good fun. [08:45] morning :) [08:48] Howdy :) [08:48] I'm about to go to bed. [08:48] I haven't gone to bed yet. I've got 0348 staring me down on the clock. [08:48] hehe - well I had about 4 hours of sleep tonight - I should probably go to bed again as well [08:49] but today is amarok bughug day - and sleep is for the week [08:49] ;-) [08:49] *weak [08:51] morning [08:51] heya [08:51] hows it going [08:51] apachelogger, you around? [08:52] * Nightrose doubts he is awake yet ;-) [08:52] heh yeah [08:52] new kubuntu-meta pulls in oxygencursors which don't install because of a missing depends [08:53] fun :P [09:06] It's all Jucato's fault. [09:07] why :P === hunger_t is now known as hunger [10:29] all: [10:29] Undertaker: hi [10:30] Nightrose2: guten morgen [10:31] jpatrick: [10:31] heya jpatrick :) [10:31] * Nightrose2 curses at her ISP [10:32] Undertaker: yes? === Nightrose2 is now known as Nightrose [10:34] Nightrose: what client do you use? [10:34] irc client? konversation [10:34] why? [10:34] and irssi at night [10:34] jpatrick: it's some kind of hello :) just nick, without words [10:35] ah, because I've found a way to configure irssi to do all the /ghost, /nick, /identify things automatically [10:35] are there adept developers here? [10:35] mornfall: you're wanted^ [10:37] jpatrick: ah cool - but well... - when I use irssi this is not a problem for me usually as the server I use for it is very reliable [10:37] :) [11:04] what uses adept to determine what packages to show? (exept Desktop environment and repository switches) [11:09] jpatrick: Yes? [11:09] Undertaker: Yes? [11:09] I don't understand. [11:10] mornfall: are you adept developer? [11:13] Undertaker: adept-installer uses app-install-data [11:13] Riddell: thanks === kblizzzek is now known as blizzzek === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai [12:52] do KDE4 apps have performance issues in Hardy? [13:05] what did I do? what did I do?!?!?! [13:06] lol [13:21] Jucato: do where? [15:03] i want to ask about the procedure to activate scim in kubuntu 8.04 [15:03] the key question is: does it require setting system locale to chinese/japanese/korean? [15:03] and if it does, i think "installed languages", "default language", "system language/locale" are confusing concepts [15:04] maybe we should automatically enable scim when at least one of the "installed languages" is chinese/japanese/korean [15:04] in my early kubuntu days, i didn't know i should "Set System Language: Chinese" before i can use scim [15:05] i thought just installing Chinese Language will do the job [15:05] would [15:14] ideally, i want skim to run by default for any locale [15:15] \but disable its keybindings until the user uses his mouse to choose a CJK language from skim's popup menu === kblizzzek is now known as blizzzek [15:30] Has any thought gone into using a modified version of the Heron Wallpaper in KDE? Here's a nice blue one, for example. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Hardy+Heron+Blue?content=76300 [15:55] another small problem: [15:55] recently i changed my KDE taskbar's transparency value (tint value) [15:55] and i wanted to revert to the default value but i couldn't [15:55] i lost the original tint now... [15:56] so i'm downloading kubuntu hardy alpha 6 to check the default value in vbox... [15:56] and by the way to check its way to enable chinese input [16:24] Riddell: Last night I updated my displayconfig patch so that it works if you don't have admin rights. [16:25] Riddell: It appears that this at least generally works now. As it stands, if you have no xorg.conf it isn't going to show you a proper config until the 2nd time you login with admin rights, but I think that's definitely better than crashing. [16:26] Riddell: I think it's possible that I might be able to make it work the first try, but the patch would be much more invasive (this patch is all in one file). [16:26] Not sure that's a great idea at this point in the cycle. [16:33] running hardy 6 in vbox now [16:37] ScottK2: whatever works :) [16:37] yay, I am bow legged! [16:38] we went horse back riding this morning [16:39] with the rugrats? [16:39] ya [16:39] that was kind of fun [16:40] :D [16:40] * Jucato missed riding on a horse [16:40] I think that was the first time I have ridden one in about 25 years [16:41] * Jucato has ridden only once [16:41] well now I have ridden twice :p [16:41] Riddell: OK. Let me do a little more testing on this and then I'll talk to slangesek about getting it in for the beta. After that I'll work on the more invasive approach and if it works, we can decide if it's for Hardy or Ibex. [16:42] :D [16:43] how come I just now found the oxygen cursors? jeesh these things are gorgeous [16:43] Is there anyone here running Hardy KDE3 that has a system that does not have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf? [16:43] they don't work on Konqueror/KDE3 though [16:51] ScottK2: if he's not around this weekend I can just let it through [16:51] Riddell: OK. I forgot you're release management too. [16:56] w00t! [16:56] * claydoh has some keyboard time finally [17:55] apachelogger, smarter: moinjour [17:56] ¡hola jpatrick! [17:57] smarter: hey, que tal hombre, como va todo por ahi? [17:57] * jpatrick wins [17:57] muy bien y tu? [17:57] bastante bien [18:23] * Artemis_Fowl has just finished his exams :) [18:25] * nareshov too ;p [19:33] ScottK2: did my cmake suggestion for Scribis .desktop work? [19:54] jpatrick: I don't remember. I remember getting it sorted out with the Debian maintainer, but I don't recall exactly how. [19:54] <_StefanS_> hey jpatrick, ScottK [19:55] hey _StefanS_ [19:55] jpatrick: IIRC once I pointed out that there was an upstream one he started using that one and stopped shipping his own. [19:55] heya _StefanS_ [19:55] ScottK2: heh :) [20:05] <_StefanS_> hey manchicken [20:05] Howdy [20:10] hey, Riddell [20:23] <_StefanS_> what version is the nvidia glx-new currently in hardy? [20:23] !info nvidia-glx hardy [20:23] !info nvidia-glx-new (hardy) [20:23] nvidia-glx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.11-12.31)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:96.43.05+2.6.24.11-12.31 (hardy), package size 3761 kB, installed size 11992 kB [20:24] nvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.11-12.31)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.12+2.6.24.11-12.31 (hardy), package size 5125 kB, installed size 15228 kB [20:24] * nosrednaekim booooos jpatrick [20:24] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: thanks [20:24] * jpatrick hugs nosrednaekim [20:24] XD === smarter_ is now known as smarter [23:01] Riddell: do you think we should get taglib 1.5 in hardy? [23:27] apachelogger: seems a bit late for library transitions [23:27] apachelogger: what's the advantage? [23:27] Riddell: we can backport Amarok 2 more easily ;-) [23:28] also we currently consider bumping the 1.4.9 taglib dependency to 1.5 [23:29] apachelogger: if you want to handle all the rdepends and test them it should be do-able [23:31]