[00:00] <savvas> amx109: it doesn't ask for password?
[00:00] <maccam94> after lots of frustration and compiling, i just ended up with a borked ubuntu installation :-(
[00:00] <amx109> savvas, nope
[00:00] <l815> after these past 2 or 3 days of hardy releases my laptop doesn't really get warm anymore :O
[00:00] <l815> it's amazing
[00:03] <felipe_> is synaptic broken?
[00:03] <h3sp4wn> maccam94: Its not so simple as that you would probably need at least a new mesa as well (probably loads of other stuff like libdrm)
[00:03] <maccam94> h3sp4wn: oh no it wasn't simple. i had to pull mesa, libdrm, and the driver from git
[00:03] <maccam94> and follow a rather complicated guide
[00:03] <maccam94> in the end idk if the problem was that git was unstable or if i screwed up compiling or installing something
[00:04] <savvas> amx109: grep -i "fuse\|adm\|plugdev" /etc/group
[00:04] <amx109> savvas, my username is a member of all those groups
[00:05] <savvas> amx109: did any of recent upgrades involve gvfs or something that would require a reboot of the machine?
[00:06] <amx109> savvas, erm no. ive had this problem since i installed hardy (alpha 5, using alt cd)
[00:08] <savvas> amx109: menu system -> administration -> authorizations -> freedesktop -> hal -> storage -> mount ... internal drives
[00:09] <savvas> do you see your login in the explicit authorizations?
[00:09] <amx109> savvas, nope!
[00:10] <savvas> and it shouldn't :P
[00:10] <amx109> heh
[00:10] <savvas> but i think it's a policy authentication problem
[00:10] <savvas> amx109: press grant
[00:10] <savvas> choose your login
[00:11] <savvas> none constraints (just for testing)
[00:11] <savvas> and grant
[00:12] <amx109> savvas, nothing happens when i click grant
[00:12] <jimmygoon> I can't select custom settings for compiz in appearance manager? I had this happen a few times in gutsy
[00:12] <savvas> amx109: it doesn't ask for a password?
[00:13] <amx109> savvas, nope
[00:13] <savvas> hrm
[00:14] <savvas> amx109: ok close authorizations window, run terminal and do this: gksu polkit-gnome-authorization
[00:14] <savvas> this should reveal the error
[00:14] <h3sp4wn> jimmygoon: I think for that to appear you need something installed
[00:14] <savvas> amx109: do the same thing as before
[00:14] <h3sp4wn> (I have it on one box but not the other)
[00:15] <amx109> savvas, worked this time
[00:15] <jimmygoon> h3sp4wn, no its there. its ccsm but I can't select it... well I can but the fact that I select it doesn't matter. if I close the apperacne dialog and reopne it forgets!
[00:15] <savvas> amx109: ok, revoke that and close authorizations again, now run terminal this: polkit-gnome-authorization
[00:15] <savvas> without gksu
[00:16] <amx109> yup
[00:16] <savvas> do the same thing
[00:16] <amx109> ** (polkit-gnome-authorization:20792): WARNING **: Caught error: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
[00:16] <jimmygoon> h3sp4wn, even when I select None. Then come back and choose custom... compiz comes up... it still isn't using MY settings and then it forgets when I close/reopen
[00:16] <jimmygoon> MY
[00:16] <savvas> :\
[00:17] <savvas> amx109: hold that thought
[00:17] <amx109> again, doesnt do anything. above from term output
[00:17]  * amx109 holds
[00:17]  * jimmygoon sorry... SCIM keeps popping up thinking I need to swith to Arabic When I use the Shift Key in Cerታኢን ፕላቸs
[00:17] <jimmygoon> ah, its shift+space which apparently I do alot
[00:18] <savvas> amx109: cat /var/log/auth.log | grep -i polkit
[00:18] <savvas> Mar 15 01:11:11 ubuntu polkit-grant-helper[12282]: granted authorization for org.freedesktop.policykit.grant to uid 1000 [auth=youruser]
[00:19] <savvas> look for something like that
[00:21] <amx109> savvas, hmm. i have a "granted authorization for org.freedesktop.systemtoolsbackends.set" but not the policykit.grant bit
[00:21] <savvas> amx109: sudo apt-get install --reinstall policykit adduser dbus libpolkit-dbus2 libpolkit-grant2 libpolkit2 policykit-gnome consolekit
[00:21] <amx109> savvas, also, polkit-grant-helper-pam is spewing a few error lines
[00:22] <savvas> amx109: you should probably reboot your machine after that
[00:22] <amx109> savvas, ok, ill brb
[00:23] <savvas> Mar 15 01:09:35 ubuntu polkit-grant-helper-pam[12277]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_foreground.so)
[00:23] <savvas> he's right
[00:23] <savvas> Mar 15 01:09:35 ubuntu polkit-grant-helper-pam[12277]: PAM [error: /lib/security/pam_foreground.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
[00:23] <savvas> weird error
[00:24] <crimsun> reinstall that package.
[00:24] <crimsun> libpam-foreground: /lib/security/pam_foreground.so
[00:24] <crimsun> although it's not necessary anymore, so I wonder why polkit ...
[00:26] <savvas> amx109: ok try now
[00:27] <amx109> savvas, no luck im afraid
[00:28] <savvas> crimsun: here's a bit more thorough log: http://pastebin.ca/raw/943151
[00:29] <savvas> hm..
[00:30] <savvas> amx109: sudo apt-get install --reinstall hal
[00:30] <amx109> savvas, heh was abt to suggest the very same thing...
[00:30] <feierfox> hello
[00:30] <feierfox> will hardy contain OOo 2.4?
[00:30] <savvas> amx109: i think you'll need another reboot, sorry about that :)
[00:30] <savvas> amx109: also: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libpam-foreground
[00:30] <amx109> savvas, s'ok. the new gdm sceen is pretty enough to offset that
[00:32] <slackern> feierfox: openoffice.org-core package is 2.4.0~rc2 so i guess it will
[00:32] <feierfox> \o/
[00:32] <savvas> what's in 2.4?
[00:33] <slackern> feierfox: But i don't know really so don't take my word for it :)
[00:34] <amx109> savvas, no change
[00:34] <savvas> amx109: gksu polkit-gnome-authorization
[00:35] <amx109> savvas, same as before?
[00:35] <savvas> first go to unmount ... by other users
[00:35] <savvas> two options above
[00:35] <amx109> yup
[00:36] <savvas> amx109: anyone no, console no, active console: admin auth (indefinitely) right?
[00:36] <amx109> savvas, correct
[00:36] <savvas> after that, mount ... removable drives
[00:37] <savvas> no, no, and yes right?
[00:37] <amx109> correct
[00:37] <savvas> then mount .. internal drives, no no, admin auth indefinitely
[00:37] <amx109> correct
[00:39] <savvas> er..
[00:40] <amx109> savvas, head, brick wall etc?
[00:40] <savvas> amx109: you tried to mount it through nautilus again?
[00:41] <coz_> hey guys do any of the current updates break anything?
[00:41] <amx109> savvas, trying to unmount via nautilus gives me a 'cannot unnount volume' dialog box. with the details tab expanded it reports that 'only riit can unmount...'
[00:42] <savvas> 01:16:37 < amx109> ** (polkit-gnome-authorization:20792): WARNING **: Caught error: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
[00:42] <savvas> try file a bug about it at bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[00:42] <amx109> savvas, ok. thanks for the all help
[00:43] <savvas> i guess the package would be policykit-gnome
[00:43] <savvas> amx109: in the meantime, gksu polkit-gnome-authorization and grant an authorization for the local console to your login, maybe that will fix it temporarily
[00:45] <amx109> savvas, seems i cant reproduce that bug. still no action on the click of grant but no error message this time
[00:46] <savvas> amx109: there shouldn't be a problem with gksu, you can't grant even when using gksu ??
[00:47] <amx109> savvas, i can grant with gksu. the error u pasted above came from me attempting to do it without superuser privs
[00:48] <savvas> amx109: well.. hm.. check if you can mount it now that you granted it
[00:48] <jimmygoon> I can definetly say, without a doubt that the "intel" driver is most definetly not fixed yet: http://i29.tinypic.com/9vjoe0.png
[00:48] <amx109> savvas, also do you know why all my mounted partitions (from internal drives) would show up under gnomes 'removable drives' section?
[00:49] <savvas> amx109: where do you see that removable drives?
[00:50] <amx109> savvas, the applet on the panel..the drives also appear on my desktop and are listed on the left hand pane of nautilus
[00:50] <savvas> the disk mounter?
[00:51] <amx109> sorry, yes.
[00:51] <savvas> well it does say "mount local disks and devices" :)
[00:51] <savvas> i hate that too actually
[00:51] <amx109> heh yea, but this wasnt the behaviour present in gutsy
[00:52] <savvas> my sata drive pops up on desktop
[00:52] <savvas> i know i can disable it, why on earth should there be an icon for an internal drive
[00:52] <amx109> how do you disable it?
[00:53] <savvas> gconf-editor
[00:53] <savvas> apps > nautilus > desktop
[00:53] <savvas> uncheck volumes_visible
[00:55] <amx109> thanks. is there nothing more granular? i have about 9 partitions visible that are mounted under / anyway..
[00:55] <savvas> well.. now that you reminded me of the disk mounter.. i can turn it off ;)
[00:55] <savvas> amx109: the only way if by filing bugs
[00:55] <savvas> i can confirm on this one
[00:55] <Jordan_U> I am not getting direct rendering with fglrx
[00:56] <amx109> thanks again
[00:56] <savvas> amx109: highlight me with a bug link if you file one :)
[00:56] <amx109> savvas, will do
[00:57] <savvas> crimsun: is stopped complaining about that /lib/security/pam_foreground.so, thanks :)
[00:57] <savvas> *it
[00:59] <jimmygoon> Any thoughts: http://i29.tinypic.com/9vjoe0.png
[00:59] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, DPI set *really* high?
[01:00] <jimmygoon> Jordan_U, not manually. not intentionally
[01:00] <jimmygoon> the only thing I changed to fix was switching from intel to i810
[01:01] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, Why did you do that? i810 is the older driver
[01:01] <jimmygoon> ... it works :)
[01:02] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, File a bug report, then change your DPI settings manually for something that is a least closer to a proper fix :)
[01:02] <jimmygoon> Jordan_U, any suggestions on what it should be?
[01:03] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, Whatever it is set to while you are using i810
[01:03] <jimmygoon> And the value in Appearance->Font->Details is accurate?
[01:03] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, AFIK it is :)
[01:03] <jimmygoon> the question then becomes how on earth do I change that value when its all messed up. I literally can't do anything to save my life, let alone change my DPI
[01:04] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, You can set it manually in your xorg.conf ( can't remember exactly how though )
[01:05] <jimmygoon> do I Option "DPI" "96" for my device or my monitor?
[01:06] <Ng> there's also /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi in gconf, which is also 96 by default
[01:06] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, I would guess monitor ( or possibly "screen" ? )
[01:06] <jimmygoon> heh
[01:07] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, The nice thing about when X actually needed an xorg.conf was that you had examples of all of the sections :)
[01:07] <Ng> you can make X generate a config if you want
[01:08] <jimmygoon> I have a xorg.conf
[01:08] <Jordan_U> Ng, Does it create a less minimal one than debxconfig ?
[01:08] <jimmygoon> just doesn't specifiy dpi
[01:08] <jimmygoon> Jordan_U, what is your result of : xdpyinfo | grep -B1 dot
[01:08] <Ng> Jordan_U: not sure, probably
[01:08] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon,
[01:08] <Jordan_U> to a proper fix :)
 Jordan_U, any suggestions on what it should be?
 jimmygoon, Whatever it is set to while you are using i810
 And the value in Appearance->Font->Details is accurate?
 jimmygoon, AFIK it is :)
[01:09] <Jordan_U> * stik (n=stik@c-76-104-165-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #Ubuntu+1
 the question then becomes how on earth do I change that value when its all messed up. I literally can't do anything to save my life, let alone change my DPI
 jimmygoon, You can set it manually in your xorg.conf ( can't remember exactly how though )
 do I Option "DPI" "96" for my device or my monitor?
[01:09] <Jordan_U> * MasterShrek has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
 there's also /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi in gconf, which is also 96 by default
 jimmygoon, I would guess monitor ( or possibly "screen" ? )
 heh
 jimmygoon, The nice thing about when X actually needed an xorg.conf was that you had examples of all of the sections :)
 you can make X generate a config if you want
 I have a xorg.conf
 Ng, Does it create a less minimal one than debxconfig ?
 just doesn't specifiy dpi
 Jordan_U, what is y
[01:09] <Jordan_U> Sorry
[01:09] <jimmygoon> haha
[01:09] <jimmygoon> what was that
[01:10] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, Thought I had copied from the terminal, apparently I had middle clicked ( copy ) in xchat afterwards :)
[01:11] <jimmygoon> Well, I was just wondering what your physical screen size was reported as
[01:11] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon,   dimensions:    1680x1050 pixels (367x230 millimeters)  resolution:    116x116 dots per inch
[01:11] <jimmygoon> ok. I wanted to check the mm sizes to see if mine seemed reasonable
[01:12] <jimmygoon> It says my resolution is 98x96 so I guess I'll try putting that in my xorg.conf
[01:13] <jimmyg00n> sorry, I'm on my other pc while I log in and out to check the dpi stuff
[01:14] <jimmyg00n> noope. didn't work. The text is still huuuge... and switching to tty killed my pc
[01:15] <jimmyg00n> heh, Alt+PrinScr REISUB doesn't even work
[01:18] <jimmyg00n> alright. I'm connected ssh. I just going to keep changing xorg.conf stuff and see if i can get any decent results.
[01:20] <jimmyg00n> what the hell. this is getting really old. after alt+ctrl+backspacing a few times it just crashes
[01:20] <jimmyg00n> my ssh connection just crashed also. what gives?
[01:24] <maccam94> why is compiz disabled on laptops using the ati driver?!?
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <maccam94> ahd;jahsdfegsde
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <maccam94> what's with all the flooding?!?!?
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:25] <maccam94> why is compiz disabled on laptops using the ati driver?!?
[01:26] <RAOF> maccam94: Because it's crash-happy.
[01:26] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:27] <maccam94> RAOF: it seemed to work great when alpha 6 was released...
[01:27] <maccam94> does video do it or something?
[01:27] <maccam94> jimmyg00n: we got it the first like, 25 times
[01:29] <jimmyg00n> maccam94, sorry. This crappy client I'm using was being unresponsive. I didn't know what was going on
[01:29] <maccam94> ah
[01:29] <maccam94> well only send things once, they show up ;-)
[01:37] <jimmyg00n> how many times did it send? just twice or lots?
[01:38] <RAOF> jimmyg00n: *lots*.  At least 10 times.
[01:39] <maccam94> jimmyg00n: 14 or 15 times
[01:45] <jimmyg00n> maccam94, heh, I didn't know that. It became unresponsive and I kept hitting the reconnect button to no avail... I ended up killing the process and then reopening the client. heh. sorry about that
[01:46] <maccam94> i'm surprised you didn't get autokicked
[01:47] <jimmyg00n> whoa. some sort of success. it failed to load xorg the first time. told me it couldn't detect my settings (probably loaded vesa, damn) but the text size was right
[01:48] <jimmyg00n> sorry, did it spam it again?
[01:49] <maccam94> nope
[01:49] <jimmyg00n> hopefully you didn't already get this: whoa. some sort of success. it failed to load xorg the first time. told me it couldn't detect my settings (probably loaded vesa, damn) but the text size was right
[01:52] <jimmyg00n> the physical size was being set correctly, (only because I specified it manually though)
[01:53] <nomasteryoda> wonder if hardy fixed the mouse freeze bug on intel gm chips
[01:53] <nomasteryoda> with synaptics
[01:53] <nomasteryoda> i'm back in my dual-booted gutsy... sidux is supplanted hardy
[01:54] <emet> !info gnash
[01:54] <ubotu> gnash (source: gnash): free SWF movie player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 328 kB, installed size 1000 kB
[01:55] <shirish> !topic
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[01:58] <Megaqwerty> what version of gnome does hardy use?
[01:58] <RAOF> 2.22
[01:59] <Megaqwerty> RAOF: thanks.
[01:59] <RAOF> We _always_ have the latest Gnome release :)
[01:59] <mohbana> !clone
[01:59] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[01:59] <Megaqwerty> RAOF: Most excellent :)
[02:01] <l815> :D
[02:02] <Amaranth> ChevronX: Compiz is installed and enabled by default in hardy
[02:02] <Amaranth> If your hardware is supported, that is
[02:02] <ChevronX> I was wondering. What happened to all the Beryl controls such as the cube and the beaming windows?
[02:02] <coz_> ChevronX, still there
[02:03] <l815> ChevronX, that is compiz manager
[02:03] <Amaranth> install compizconfig-settings-manager the go to System->Preferences->Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[02:03] <ChevronX> arh
[02:03] <ChevronX> Excellent
[02:04] <ChevronX> It worked
[02:04] <l815> my video laggs my system when I use effects, is there a workaround?
[02:04] <coz_> l815, which video card
[02:05] <coz_> wait aminute   l815 the best place to take this is #compiz-fusion
[02:05] <maccam94> coz_: ehhh it might be a hardy issue
[02:05] <l815> coz_, alright thanks
[02:06] <coz_> maccam94, sure it could be  but thats why I asked about the video card
[02:06] <coz_> l815, still which video card
[02:06] <l815> well on gusty video + effects didnt even work, but that is fixed with hardy
[02:06] <l815> intel gm965
[02:06] <nomasteryoda> cool
[02:06] <nomasteryoda> l815, is that a new install of hardy?
[02:06] <nomasteryoda> all updated and such?
[02:06] <l815> nomasteryoda, i installed it about 3 days ago
[02:07] <nomasteryoda> ah
[02:07] <nomasteryoda> cool
[02:07] <l815> yes all updated to date pre-released updates
[02:07] <maccam94> l815: oh ok i've got the same card
[02:07] <nomasteryoda> gm915 here
[02:07] <coz_> l815, ok go to #compiz-fusion and talk with crdlb about intel  with compiz fusion
[02:07] <l815> maccam94, do you ahve the same problem?
[02:07] <nomasteryoda> mouse frozen with some update
[02:07] <l815> coz_, will do
[02:07] <maccam94> ......except i'm in gutsy, with a hacked compiz executable
[02:07] <maccam94> my other junky laptop is the one running hardy
[02:07] <DavidW2> I had adept_updater running last week and something got updated that broke networking and firefox. Does anyone happen to know what the problem is or if there are fixed packages I can manually copy over from another computer?
[02:07] <coz_> I dont know it that intel is blacklisted either
[02:08] <nomasteryoda> my intel with compiz works perfect .. just be sure to have bios set to max ram for the video card
[02:08] <nomasteryoda> if it can be setup that way
[02:08] <maccam94> coz_: the 965 chipset was blacklisted in gutsy because it has Xv issues
[02:08] <ChevronX> I find it good that Ubuntu Hardy Heron picked up my 2900XT drivers and installed them without any intervention
[02:08] <DavidW2> I get a permission denied error resolvconf line 77 when it's trying to mv the device files
[02:08] <nomasteryoda> DavidW2, you mean a wired network?
[02:08] <nomasteryoda> eth0
[02:08] <l815> nomasteryoda, even when you maximize video?
[02:09] <DavidW2> nomasteryoda: It applies to both wired (eth0) and wireless (ath0)
[02:09] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:09] <l815> oh ok i'll have to take a look
[02:09] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu is fine... now my sidux is another story
[02:09] <coz_> maccam94, ah ok  yeah  so then it is not in hardy?
[02:09] <nomasteryoda> have to turn on the video filter in advanced compiz settings manager
[02:09] <maccam94> coz_: there's a new intel driver in hardy
[02:09] <maccam94> idk how well it works
[02:09] <DavidW2> nomasteryoda: I can't get either up, the dhcp user (I think) gets permission denied in the resolvconf script so I think dns is not being set up
[02:09] <nomasteryoda> and then use smplayer
[02:09] <coz_> maccam94, ah ok thats cool
[02:09] <maccam94> coz_: it technically worked the whole time, except video players would crash
[02:10] <maccam94> coz_: they're redoing the blacklists in hardy i think, so it may be blacklisted in the future
[02:10] <coz_> maccam94, ok yeah I know there is a work around for intel
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> DavidW2, if you need it up and online, try sudo ifconfig eth0 up and then sudo dhclient
[02:10] <coz_> maccam94, ooo  ok
[02:10] <maccam94> i haven't actually tested how it works on hardy yet, because this laptop is my work machine
[02:11] <coz_> maccam94, mm it will be interesting to know though so that we can have a factoid in #compiz-fusion for it  but generally we send people here  when they use hardy:)
[02:12] <DavidW2> nomasteryoda: Those commands call the same scripts, so the error is the same if I do it manually or use /etc/init.d/networking
[02:12] <coz_> so far no issues here with compiz fusion on hardy    there are hardy specific issues but seem unrelated to compizfusion
[02:12] <maccam94> coz_: there's currently some good stuff going on in the git intel driver for EXA rendering, but idk if that's going to make it into hardy
[02:13] <coz_> maccam94, ok cool
[02:13] <nomasteryoda> ah
[02:13] <nomasteryoda> true
[02:13] <Mark_Milliman> Anyone know of any RSS screensavers for GNOME?  I can't believe that the GNOME screensaver-manager is soooo lame!
[02:14] <maccam94> but yeah i'm curious why compiz blacklists laptop ati cards... it was working beautifully for me when alpha 6 came out >_< of course i didn't actually run much with it, but stuff like 3D desktop and wobbly windows worked fine
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> DavidW2, you could setup dns manually
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> until the update fixes ...
[02:14] <l815> lol i didn't know people still used screensaves :P
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> lol
[02:14] <ChevronX> Hmm Paint Fire on screen wonder what use that us
[02:14] <ChevronX> *is
[02:14] <maccam94> Mark_Milliman: you might install xscreensaver-extra and xscreensaver-gl-extra
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> they are cool... l815 the compiz one looks awesome
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> cube or flying windows
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> like a whirlwind
[02:15] <nomasteryoda> ChevronX, burning up WIndows virtual machines for fun and profit
[02:15] <nomasteryoda> =D
[02:15] <l815> lol i was just joking, since lcds there's no real need for "screensavers" :P
[02:15] <ChevronX> lol
[02:15] <nomasteryoda> true
[02:15] <Mark_Milliman> maccam94, there is a HOWTO on using xcreensavers with the GNOME screensavers
[02:15] <maccam94> Mark_Milliman: er rather, install the xscreensaver-* packages, but not xscreensaver itself
[02:16] <maccam94> i didn't need to follow a howto, gnome-screensaver just picked them up
[02:16] <maccam94> :-\
[02:16] <Mark_Milliman> maccam94, okay, I'll give it a whirl and see if the lame GNOME screensaver-manager can deal with them
[02:16] <jscinoz> whats the current breakage in hardy?
[02:17] <slackern> Stupid question maybe but where does X get the list of drivers from nowadays? Does it just check /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers ?
[02:17] <coz_> jscinoz, I just did the most recent updates and other than the general stuff broken nothing else broke :)
[02:17] <ChevronX> Because its running Compiz. Would it be the metacity themes I need to change?
[02:17] <jscinoz> hmm, see i'm needing a clean reinstall and i
[02:17] <jscinoz> ugh
[02:18] <jscinoz> i'm torn between clean install to current hardy alpha, then just update to release, or wait until release and clean reinstall
[02:18] <jscinoz> >_< ' is too close to enter :P
[02:18] <ChevronX> I just installed a new copy and dist upgraded
[02:18] <ChevronX> No problems
[02:19] <Mark_Milliman> I tried to upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy but I had a real HW failure during the upgrade so I had to rebuild the system.  I am glad that I got a clean install.  Things are working great!
[02:19]  * jscinoz is glad he kept /home on its own partition
[02:20] <ChevronX> Is there a AWN channel here?
[02:20] <jimmygoon> How do I check what video driver is being used? I think I got it working! Despite the fact that I burnt out gnome-settings-daemon in the process and now it doesn't work
[02:20] <coz_> jimmygoon, whichi video card?
[02:21] <jimmygoon> coz_, intel
[02:21] <coz_> glxinfo|grep OpenGL\ version
[02:21] <DavidW2> nomasteryoda: I just wanted to know if anyone else reported the bug here, or maybe I can get a list of all packages updated in the past week?
[02:21] <jimmygoon> coz_, what should it say if its using the "intel" driver versus "vesa"
[02:22] <jscinoz> the release date is april 21 right? or was it april 27?
[02:22] <jimmygoon> the screen is acting like its using vesa :( its slow
[02:22] <coz_> jscinoz, not sure since I know nearly nothing about intel
[02:22] <Mark_Milliman> DavidW2, update manager will tell you all of the current updates you need to apply
 I couldn't personally wait to upgrade. It is awesome
[02:22] <jscinoz> coz_ i think you mean to adress that to jimmygoon
[02:22] <jscinoz> address*
[02:22] <jimmygoon> yeah
[02:22] <jscinoz> chevronx, thanks
[02:23] <jimmygoon> where has my auto tab complete gone for terminal commands?
[02:23] <jimmygoon> I'm gonna cry. Now gnome-settings-daemon is dumping its core every time it runs
[02:30] <cmorgan> are there any extensions required for kde4 to support its full set of effects?
[02:34] <ethana2> probably xrender and xgl or whatever
[02:34] <cmorgan> ethana2: so i should install xserver-xgl and use that?
[02:34] <ethana2> i don't really know
[02:34] <cmorgan> i'm trying to find some info online about it but there isn't much
[02:34] <ethana2> i had compiz installed before i installed kde4
[02:35] <cmorgan> yeah i had compiz before and it was crashing with vmware i think
[02:35] <Pici> xgl is not needed for the ATI drivers in Hardy.
[02:36] <cmorgan> using nvidia here
[02:36] <cmorgan> proprietary drivers
[02:38] <RAOF> cmorgan: kde4 requires exactly what compiz requires.
[02:39] <cmorgan> RAOF: oh ok. i'll look for that then since i couldnt' find any info about kde4 requirements
[02:39] <RAOF> cmorgan: Basically, it should just work.
[02:39] <cmorgan> RAOF: doesn't need xserver-xgl?
[02:39] <RAOF> No.
[02:40] <cmorgan> hmm
[02:40] <RAOF> What it needs is Composite and GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[02:40] <cmorgan> RAOF: is composite something i need to turn on via an extension in xorg.conf?
[02:40] <RAOF> No.
[02:41] <RAOF> * For sufficiently non-crazy drivers.
[02:41] <cmorgan> hmm
[02:41] <RAOF> These being everything !nvidia-glx-legacy or old fglrx.
[02:41] <cmorgan> i don't see composite listed in the output of glxinfo
[02:42] <cmorgan> but i do see GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap listed
[02:42] <RAOF> That's because it's not a glx extension :)
[02:42] <cmorgan> heh
[02:42] <cmorgan> not sure how to query for it
[02:42] <RAOF> You'll have it.
[02:42] <RAOF> xdpyinfo, I think, will confirm.
[02:42] <cmorgan> i mean graphics are snappy
[02:43] <cmorgan> RAOF: yep,listed in the output of xdpyinfo
[02:43] <jimmygoon> I gave up. The only time I think I got it working it was rendering so slowly I could see it scanning from top to bottom... that and "the right config" kept causing gnome-settings-daemon to crash.
[02:43] <jimmygoon> This is a really frustrating problem
[02:43] <cmorgan> RAOF: like i turn on the 'fps' indicator but i don't see fps anywhere
[02:45] <cmorgan> RAOF: you know the one under desktop effects.
[02:45] <cmorgan> RAOF: since i can't get that to work i'm also thinking the other effects aren't working, but i'm not sure why
[02:45] <RAOF> If you're thinking about "benchmark", then you need to activate it, too.  (There's a keyboard shortcut).
[02:46] <cmorgan> RAOF: its listed as "Show FPS"
[03:04] <telexicon> awesome its fixed yay
[03:04] <telexicon> now i can update blindly again
[03:13] <IOU> does anyone find the 2.6.24-12 kernel slower than the 2.6.24-11 ?
[03:14] <jimmygoon> yes :)
[03:14] <IOU> lol apart from you :p
[03:16] <cwillu> telexicon, obviously the lesson wasn't learned :p
[03:16] <telexicon> :)
[03:17] <savvas> curse the discoverer of coffee, I can't sleep
[03:18] <IOU> lol
[03:18] <savvas> IOU: a tad bit slower, but a lot better when it comes to managing network download/upload
[03:19] <IOU> i find it to be alot more than a tad bit slower, Cant even play Frets on Fire in this kernel. the 24-11 kernel didnt affect it
[03:20] <savvas> well, I'll sacrifice speed to have a working network. Imagine that I was getting disconnected while talking in IRC, because my response time/ping lag got too high
[03:20] <IOU> i never had that proble,
[03:20] <IOU> *problem
[03:20] <savvas> not all of us get drunk either
[03:21] <IOU> lol good point
[03:21] <burner> anyone try an eee on hardy yet?
[03:21] <savvas> What I mean is it's probably a linux driver for my ethernet
[03:21] <IOU> excuse my thickness, but what is eee ?
[03:21] <jimmygoon> asus eee pc - ultraportable laptop
[03:21] <burner> teh asus eee pc
[03:21] <jimmygoon> (over rated) cough cough
[03:22] <IOU> ooh, in that case, no lol
[03:22]  * burner likes it and it was cheap
[03:22] <IOU> i know my DV1717tu hates it
[03:22] <burner> my desktop is lovin it
[03:22] <burner> in fact, i have 2 desktops lovin it
[03:23] <burner> i'm scare to upgrade my eee
[03:23] <burner> i like wireless networking
[03:23] <IOU> this seems to run it just peachy. Although  few initial hiccups with fglrx
[03:23] <jimmygoon> I'm trying really hard to love it...
[03:23] <savvas> burner: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4515172
[03:23] <savvas> not much
[03:24] <savvas> i think the next release will target wireless networking and laptops
[03:24] <savvas> step by step.. :)
[03:24] <DanaG> eee would be even  MORE ultraportable if it supported SpeedStep.
[03:24] <DanaG> But nope, Asus seemed to want cheapness over everything.
[03:25] <jimmygoon> jeez, my window redraw time is so noticable in hardy/new kernel...
[03:25] <IOU> refresh my memory, feisty had a big emphasis on wireless networking didnt it?
[03:25] <jimmygoon> and firefox is lacking a home button
[03:25] <IOU> it is?
[03:25] <IOU> it is too
[03:25] <DanaG> It's on the bookmarks toolbar.
[03:25] <IOU> ah so it is
[03:25] <jimmygoon> I disable that. because it is annoying
[03:25] <DanaG> I usually have that toolbar hidden, so I had to go to Customize to get it back.
[03:26] <burner> savvas: cool, thanks, the wireless card was my suspicion.  i don't feel like recompiling throughout hardy development though
[03:26] <jimmygoon> Thanks. :)
[03:27] <jimmygoon> has anyone else testing hardy noticed fx3's weird font rendering
[03:27] <IOU> i havent noticed anything out of the ordinary
[03:27] <savvas> hm.. I'd love an eee lappy, I'll add it to my amazon wishlist, maybe someone will (not) buy it for me hehehe
[03:28] <DanaG> If I were looking for ultralight, I'd rather get a 12" with something like 9 hours of battery life.
[03:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mbp caught on fire!!
[03:28] <jimmygoon> my custom setting is gone from gnome-appearance-properties too
[03:28] <savvas> jimmygoon: you can add it by customizing the toolbars
[03:29] <jimmygoon> savvas, add what?
[03:29] <savvas> the home button
[03:29] <jimmygoon> savvas, the home button in firefox? DanaG got me fixed up already
[03:29] <jimmygoon> now its just the custom compiz option that I'm missing
[03:29] <savvas> ah sowwy
[03:29] <IOU> note to self, dont activate xgl, Everything turns white
[03:30] <DanaG> One thing I miss from the git compiz: snow.
[03:30] <DanaG> And snowglobe, too.
[03:30] <savvas> IOU: at least you get a leet cool snow-white lean mean killing machine :)
[03:30] <IOU> haha yeah
[03:30] <jimmygoon> grr. here's a bug. If you install simple-ccsm and full ccsm compizconfig-settings-manager and REMOVE simple-ccsm and leave the other... the option still disappears
[03:31] <jimmygoon> that and it still won't let me actually select custom effects. it just reverts my change and ignores it
[03:32] <IOU> hrm. i bet when i get my new motherboard and CPU i will have to reinstall -.-
[03:32] <DanaG>  sudo btrace /dev/sda
[03:32] <DanaG> BLKTRACESETUP: No such file or directory
[03:32] <DanaG> Failed to start trace on /dev/sda
[03:32] <DanaG> Aargh!
[03:33] <jimmygoon> Even better bug. It says it isn't using custom settings... but it IS!
[03:33] <jimmygoon> hahah the ultimate mind-screw
[03:34] <IOU> great
[03:34] <IOU> DMA doesnt work again
[03:34] <Asa_A> How do I get tab completion back in my terminal like I had in Gutsy? "sudo apti<tab>" doesn't work anymore
[03:36] <frank23> Asa_A: install bash-completion
[03:36] <savvas> i have a bug about that :)
[03:36] <frank23> Asa_A: I think that's the package name
[03:36] <savvas> correct frank23
[03:36] <Asa_A> thanks, do you know why it was removed from the default install?
[03:37] <frank23> Asa_A: it has been removed from bash upstream
[03:37] <savvas> nope but I can give you the link to confirm it
[03:38] <savvas> Bug #195163
[03:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195163 in ubuntu-meta "hardy - need bash-completion" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195163
[03:38] <jimmygoon> YAY! that was my other question
[03:38] <jimmygoon> I hate having to remember the full names of packages
[03:39] <frank23> savvas: I think it was removed because it's not being maintained
[03:39] <Asa_A> thanks
[03:39] <savvas> frank23: I had an update a while back
[03:40] <savvas>   Installed: 20060301-3
[03:40] <DanaG> WTF?
[03:40] <DanaG> compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[03:40] <DanaG> compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
[03:40] <savvas> or maybe not
[03:40] <savvas> DanaG: you're hard *core* now :)
[03:42] <savvas> but even if not maintained, the bash-completion provides completion for enough command lines and their arguments
[03:43] <jimmygoon> Any chance of the human theme ever having shorter menu items since there are .... soooo many preferences menu items
[03:48] <alex_mayorga> hi, so I'm still stranded at bug 201673 any counseling channel or something?
[03:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201673 in glibc "REGRESSION: glibc 2.7-9ubuntu1 NSS module broken due to toolchain changes" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201673
[03:48] <alex_mayorga> :(
[03:48] <xserver-sgl> anyone know if you can get back the notification area "information is available" popups after you dismiss them? I got one, read it, ignored it and I need to reference what it said now (8.04 a6)
[03:49] <alex_mayorga> it is worsened because I seem to have X borked on that desktop, any helping hands? thanks in advance
[03:50] <xserver-sgl> or... does anyone know what I have to do to resolve the  conflict between X and Xserver-xgl on startup w/ the script?
[03:51] <xserver-sgl> ooh system log maybe... would 8.04 a6 log notification area popups?
[03:51] <xserver-sgl> and if so, where?
[03:52] <jimmygoon> System->Administration -> System Logs
[03:52] <jimmygoon> or are you not at the gui now?
[03:52] <jimmygoon> I suppose /var/log somewhere
[03:53] <xserver-sgl> I have gui open... default gnome since settings-daemon won't start so it's kind of ugly
[03:53] <xserver-sgl> ;P
[03:54] <alex_mayorga> xserver-sgl, it should work if you use safe gnome
[03:54] <alex_mayorga> I mean fail safe gnome
[03:54] <xserver-sgl> yeah failsafe gnome works
[03:54] <jimmygoon> nautilus is actually transferring files faster now isn't it?
[03:54] <alex_mayorga> don-t know, my destokp is still borked :(
[03:55] <macogw> is everything frozen now?
[03:55] <macogw> or are bugfix patches still being taken?
[03:55] <macogw> there's an upstream patch i'd like to see included in hardy
[03:56] <alex_mayorga> macogw, is there a bug filed already?
[03:56] <xserver-sgl> I think features are frozen but bugfixes are still accepted
[03:56] <xserver-sgl> but dont quote me
[03:56] <jimmygoon> I hope bugfixes are still accepted... this stupid xorg/intel business hopefully will be fixed :(
[03:58] <DanaG> Wow, it just took 6 tries to start Compiz.
[03:58] <DanaG> That's really annoying.
[03:58] <alex_mayorga> can any one help me out of the libc6 problem, please?
[03:59] <xserver-sgl> you think if I purge the package that triggered the "information is available" popup it would bring it back on reinstall?
[03:59] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, boot from a live disc. use dpkg --root= whatever to reinstall libc6
[04:00] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, and check /topic because there are links with full solutions there
[04:00] <alex_mayorga> jimmygoon, problem at hand is my xserver-xorg is also acting up, how do I fix that from the Live CD?
[04:01] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, I dunna. Fix libc6 first. It will possibly/probably fix your xserver probs
[04:01] <alex_mayorga> jimmygoon, I've checked those but everyone seemed to have working X
[04:01] <macogw> alex_mayorga: i just filed one on launchpad
[04:01] <pwnguin> so X isnt working on the live CD
[04:02] <macogw> there was a bug filed and fixed on gnome's bugzilla
[04:02] <macogw> bug #202405
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202405 in rhythmbox "[Hardy] Rhythmbox loads songs before checking which directories to load from" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202405
[04:02] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, does X work from your livedisc? if so then you can fix it...???
[04:02] <macogw> jimmygoon: does your X keep crashing too?
[04:02] <alex_mayorga> I'm still torrenting the Live CD anyway, so please bear with me and thanks on the tips and pointers
[04:02] <jimmygoon> no...
[04:02] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, your xserver problems will not stop you from being able to fix the problem
[04:03] <jimmygoon> macogw, well, kinda. What driver are you on?
[04:03] <macogw> jimmygoon: intel
[04:03] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: if the live CD works, then you dont need to worry about the installed x server working or not to fix libc
[04:04] <alex_mayorga> OK, thanks on the encouraging words :)
[04:04] <jimmygoon> macogw, :O yes! I finally got it configured properly and implemented a ton of workarounds from a lenthyl launchpad thread (that still is NOT resolved mind you) and when X was working "properly" it was causing gnome-settings-daemon to crash and had HORRIBLE refresh qualirt...I was waiting for the screen to render
[04:04] <xserver-sgl> HA! GOT IT
[04:04] <pwnguin> it might still be broke when you're done fixing libc, but you'll have no luck trying until libc is solved ;)
[04:04] <jimmygoon> macogw, of course, I just ended up switching bakc to "i810" since it worked
[04:04] <xserver-sgl> and sorry for all caps I couldn't resist
[04:05] <alex_mayorga> is it me or video has been quirkier on this release?
[04:05] <xserver-sgl> just for reference if you're looking for info given to you during package install look in synaptic, right-click on that package and go to installed files and check out all the stuff there to see if you can find it
[04:06] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, amen
[04:06] <pwnguin> i know they're trying to pull in intel's new drivers for compiz etc
[04:07] <pwnguin> and a transition between accelleration systems
[04:07] <macogw> jimmygoon: oh my whole X just dies
[04:07] <pwnguin> i forget the acronyms
[04:07] <macogw> jimmygoon: alt+SysRq+t gets me to a terminal, but if i try to restart gdm...no luck...still a black screen
[04:07] <pwnguin> anyone know an alternative to google browser sync?
[04:08] <pwnguin> one that works with both ff3 and ff2?
[04:08] <jimmygoon> macogw, ugh. I don't even know. I spent forever screwing with it this afternoon. I decided I'd wait till tomorrow and see what launchpad has to say
[04:08] <alex_mayorga> macogw, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh usually takes me out of X misery
[04:09] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, weave or something like that from mozilla labs
[04:10] <macogw> alex_mayorga: except that since gutsy that command does *nothing*
[04:10] <jimmygoon> pwnguin, I sync my bookmarks to del.icio.us
[04:10] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: only supports 3.0 and up =(
[04:10] <macogw> all it does is backup the file and exit
[04:10] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, what does -phigh do?
[04:10] <macogw> priority high
[04:10] <pwnguin> jimmygoon: i kinda also like the history sync
[04:10] <macogw> just the GUI stuff
[04:10] <Black_Magic> I found internet problem /ect/network/interfaces wasnt configuring ath0 (my interface) instead it was using ath1
[04:10] <macogw> jimmygoon: ^
[04:10] <Black_Magic> so ath0 wasnt getting configured
[04:10] <Black_Magic> = seemingly connected
[04:10] <Black_Magic> but no internet
[04:10] <Black_Magic> rebooted after change and it worked ;)
[04:11] <Black_Magic> Hopefully it keeps working
[04:11] <macogw> alex_mayorga: besides, hardy doesnt put anything in xorg.conf
[04:11] <Black_Magic> Well just wanted to say that
[04:11] <macogw> it just says "configured" for everything
[04:11] <macogw> ugh touchpads still not fixed
[04:12] <ionstorm> is it just me or does hardy have extreme memory consumption
[04:13] <macogw> yes
[04:13] <pwnguin> ionstorm: as measured by?
[04:13] <ionstorm> this is the first rls that im swapping to disk
[04:13] <macogw> i think except between 1/3 and 1/2 of my in-use memory is cached
[04:13] <ionstorm> swap
[04:13] <macogw> so im thinking it's just pre-fetching
[04:13] <pwnguin> hmm
[04:13] <pwnguin> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,
[04:13] <pwnguin> thats not good
[04:13] <ionstorm> how much ram?
[04:14] <macogw> me?
[04:14] <ionstorm> Swap:         2933        535       2398
[04:14] <alex_mayorga> don-t know, but that command usually gives me my GUI back
[04:14] <pwnguin> Mem:   1034952k total,   994800k used,    40152k free,   120104k buffers
[04:14] <macogw> $ free -m total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[04:14] <macogw> Mem:          1001        888        113          0         25        231
[04:14] <ionstorm> i have a gig of ram
[04:14] <ionstorm> my box shouldnt run slower than vista
[04:14] <macogw> i have a gig too
[04:14] <ionstorm>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[04:14] <ionstorm> Mem:          1009        970         38          0         49        367
[04:14] <ionstorm> -/+ buffers/cache:        554        455
[04:15] <ionstorm> what are u running
[04:15] <ionstorm> im running thunderbird/ettercap,updatemanager and xchat
[04:15] <ionstorm> and pidgin
[04:15] <pwnguin> those numbers are strange
[04:15] <ionstorm> why?
[04:16] <ionstorm> swapiness=0
[04:16] <pwnguin> they're very small
[04:16] <ionstorm> ive experimented between 0-100
[04:16] <IcemanV9> hmm ... dapper > hardy upgrade doesn't work well
[04:16] <pwnguin> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59648/
[04:16] <macogw> irssi, firefox, tomboy, sunbird, and pidgin
[04:16] <ionstorm> how r they small?
[04:17] <macogw> pwnguin: free -m = in megabytes
[04:17] <corevette> banshee vs. rhythmbox....and why?
[04:17] <tritium> IcemanV9: you didn't expect it to, did you?
[04:17] <jimmygoon> Mem:       1521968    1450516      71452
[04:17] <jimmygoon> wth
[04:17] <macogw> corevette: rhythmbox because banshee doesnt watch directories well at all
[04:17] <jimmygoon> used 1.4 gig?
[04:17] <pwnguin> used includes buffers and cache
[04:17] <IcemanV9> tritium: no ... i was hoping it would be close to beta phase (less bugs) :-/
[04:17] <tritium> IcemanV9: :)
[04:18] <ionstorm> well linux naturally uses more ram *but* why am i getting shit swapped to disk?
[04:18] <pwnguin> basically, a lot of your memory is used to cache disk, instead of sitting idle
[04:18] <pwnguin> and having stuff in swap isnt nessecarily bad
[04:18] <corevette> macogw: how come rhythmbox is never updated? and is there anything better than rhythmbox?
[04:18] <pwnguin> whats bad is having lots of stuff moving in and out of sawp
[04:18] <pwnguin> swap
[04:18] <ionstorm> swap=crawls
[04:18] <IcemanV9> tritium: at least, i got an extra laptop (for my kids to play with) to see if it works ...
[04:18] <pwnguin> swap = a great place to put stuff you never use
[04:19] <pwnguin> i dont know offhand a way to measure swap hit rates
[04:19] <IcemanV9> which version that have guided partitioning with /home partition?? hoary or dapper?? how come we don't see them anymore?
[04:20] <IcemanV9> i see hardy doesn't have one
[04:21] <jimmygoon> is it prelink or preload that speeds things up?
[04:21] <ionstorm> i have preload installed, dont run it anymore, i was getting more swapped
[04:21] <ionstorm> preload works for some ppl
[04:21] <tritium> jimmygoon: preload is the newer method
[04:22] <strabes> i feel very dumb. I wanted to remove some of the options in my grub list, give the frequent kernel updates, so i removed several of the old linux-images (the ones before 12). It removed some other packages like linux-restricted-modules etc and now it will not recognize my intel sound card! What should I do? Is there a way to see which packages aptitude removed?
[04:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> IcemanV9, separate /home is not necessary to be default, esp when the hd is small
[04:23] <strabes> it's related to this bug but this was fixed awhile back - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/200338
[04:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released]
[04:24] <pwnguin> /var/log/dpkg.log might be a good start
[04:27] <IcemanV9> [Hardy]TuTUXG: i remembered when i installed ubuntu (hoary or dapper) it gave me a few choices including a separate /home partition ... and i never seen them again in later versions. i am just curious why it just disappeared. i thought a separate /home partition would be beneficial for serious ubuntu users like us. :-)
[04:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> IcemanV9, u could still manually set a separate /home partition
[04:29] <Gumby> allo all.  I am trying to setup the cube effect and Im not sure what is the current proper way to do this.  Does anyone have a URL one may read to figure this out?
[04:29] <macogw> rhythmbox is never updated? news to me. it sucked in dapper and is fully-featured in gutsy and hardy
[04:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rhythmbox is much nicer now
[04:30] <hydrogen> yea, it found a few more things to copy from amarok
[04:30] <alex_mayorga> Gumby> !compiz
[04:31] <Gumby> alex_mayorga: do I need to be identified or something for that to work?  I got no message?
[04:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> hydrogen, thanks for mention that
[04:31] <IcemanV9> [Hardy]TuTUXG: yea ... alright. time to install hardy over dapper so my kids can play with newer stuffs
[04:32] <Gumby> oh sorry, you wanted me to do !compiz.  I thought you were getting the bot to say it to me :)
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> Gumby, I probably messed the message up
[04:32] <Gumby> !compiz
[04:32] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> !compiz
[04:32] <Gumby> alex_mayorga: probably something like !compiz > gumby
[04:32] <Gumby> hehe
[04:32] <J-_> Woah, when did this channel get so popular? =D
[04:32] <tritium> J-_: long ago
[04:32] <ethana2> It's the Year of the Linux desktop
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> about 2 years ago :)
[04:33] <J-_> hehe
[04:33] <macogw> alex_mayorga: pass it to him, do it as "!compiz | gumby"
[04:33] <pwnguin> what happens the year after the year of the linux desktop?
[04:33] <macogw> > makes it PM them
[04:33] <macogw> and | does it in channel with a ping
[04:33] <ethana2> total annihilation of windows
[04:33] <alex_mayorga> macogw, thanks, would try to remember
[04:33] <macogw> alex_mayorga: you know the pipe command?
[04:33] <pwnguin> in that case, it is not the year of the desktop, and wont be for five years or more
[04:34] <ethana2> pwnguin: this year is the year people are aware we exist, and the year we become better in every way
[04:34] <ethana2> .../after that/, windows market share will go into freefall
[04:34] <alex_mayorga> macogw, I'm supposed to know a bunch of things :(
[04:34] <pwnguin> ethana2: we didnt get better last year?
[04:34] <ethana2> ethana2: not in /every/ way
[04:34] <ethana2> WINE 1.0
[04:34] <virtuald> ethana2: especially since vista is crappy and slow
[04:35] <ethana2> compat with XP programs
[04:35] <ethana2> ...hardware we just got
[04:35] <pwnguin> wine's great and all, but its nothing like the value of native programs
[04:35] <ethana2> right
[04:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> wine is native afaik
[04:36] <virtuald> wine is not an emulator ;)
[04:38]  * IcemanV9 says dapper is good ol' stable system in a long time (problem-free)... will miss it. come on, hardy. let see if it beats dapper. (hardy is installing)
[04:39]  * alex_mayorga goes install dapper
[04:42] <telexicon> IcemanV9, not yet
[04:50] <Black_Magic> Small problem with All Pixmap images turning to small pages with crease at top instead of regular icon pictures..
[04:50] <Black_Magic> like Firefox 3.0 not having a desktop icon ect..
[04:50] <Black_Magic> just a page.
[04:52] <jimmygoon> where at? with compiz window thumbs?
[04:53] <pwnguin> people running hardy on laptops: is the power button bringing up a logout menu?
[04:53] <pwnguin> i have my power switch bring up a hibernate/suspend/etc menu, but it fails
[04:53]  * jimmygoon is afraid to push it now
[04:54] <pwnguin> it does nothing when configured to bring up that menu
[04:54] <jimmygoon> lawl. mine says "Music Player has stopped the policy action from taking place: Playing"
[04:54] <jimmygoon> heh
[04:54] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, confirmed here
[04:54] <pwnguin> it does turn the system off if i set it up that way
[04:54] <jimmygoon> from hitting hte POWER button
[04:55] <pwnguin> heh
[04:55] <pwnguin> bug 57672
[04:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57672 in baltix "linux-image-2.6.15-26-amd64-generic_2.6.15-26.46_amd64 crash" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57672
[04:55] <pwnguin> bug 57872
[04:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57872 in gnome-power-manager "regression: pressing power button no longer brings up logout dialog" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57872
[05:00] <Amaranth> ah, damn that inhibit support :P
[05:01] <pwnguin> should that bug really reuse the existing report?
[05:02] <Amaranth> doesn't really matter at this point, it's already Fix committed
[05:03] <J-_> Amaranth ftw! =)
[05:03] <pwnguin> but it does make the bug hard to read
[05:04] <Amaranth> J-_: what'd i do now? :)
[05:04] <J-_> told me to get this rockin laptop nonetheless.
[05:05] <Amaranth> ah :)
[05:05] <Amaranth> I'm going to get the dell
[05:05] <Amaranth> m1330 or whatever
[05:05]  * burner rocks an eee and loves it
[05:05] <J-_> cool
[05:05] <burner> but i can see the appeal in the xps
[05:05] <Amaranth> J-_: what did you get, i forgot
[05:05] <J-_> I've never had a Dell before
[05:06] <J-_> Thinkpad R61e
[05:06]  * burner bought the first dell dimension desktop with ubuntu... 
[05:06] <Amaranth> The only reason I'm not looking to get a Thinkpad is because I want a 13.3" screen
[05:06] <Amaranth> and the dell has an LED backlight
[05:06] <burner> xps has a 13"
[05:06] <Amaranth> right
[05:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> "cough" thinkpad "cough"
[05:06] <burner> and linux support
[05:06] <Amaranth> for 13.3" your choices are xps 1330, thinkpad x300, and macbook air
[05:07] <tritium> Amaranth: I think that LED backlit screen has a lower resolution than the standard screen
[05:07] <Amaranth> tritium: that's probably a good thing, i'm blind
[05:07] <Amaranth> well, almost
[05:07] <voidmage> was it a conscious decision to have a "live desktop" and an "installer" mode for the livecd?
[05:07] <J-_> hrm, Amaranth ohh lappy like the macbook air, just with a cd(or dvd) rom?
[05:07] <voidmage> on hardy?
[05:07] <burner> i have nothing but good things to say about dell & ubuntu.  I even updated a BIOS in ubuntu
[05:07] <J-_> 13.3" must be really expensive. =|
[05:07] <tritium> Amaranth: ah, okay.  And I'm not sure if it comes with the integrated webcam or not.
[05:07] <voidmage> because i found it a hassle to check on things like mountpoints while running the livecd in "installer mode"
[05:07] <Amaranth> it does
[05:07] <Amaranth> and it doesn't mention a lower screen resolution
[05:08] <voidmage> had to switch to a tty to check on those since i found no way to get a terminal in the installer
[05:08] <Amaranth> voidmage: the installer mode is for low memory computers
[05:08] <burner> voidmage: next time use the livecd and install from it :)
[05:08] <tritium> Amaranth: really?  I'll check again.
[05:08] <Amaranth> voidmage: the regular mode still has the installer
[05:08] <voidmage> oh.
[05:08] <voidmage> maybe that needs a better description
[05:08] <IcemanV9> fwiw, ubuntu ran superb on thinkpad (i have tp z60m)
[05:09] <voidmage> btw, hardy is shaping up to be awesome
[05:09] <tritium> Amaranth: ah, the webcam is the difference: 2.0 Megapixel vs. VGA
[05:09] <Amaranth> so i can have 2 megapixels of crappy image or VGA resolution of crappy image
[05:10] <tritium> Amaranth: heh, I guess so :)
[05:10] <burner> does the thinkpad come with ubuntu?
[05:10] <tritium> burner: no
[05:10] <Amaranth> same thing as a cell phone camera
[05:10] <macogw> my bf just got a little thinkpad x61
[05:10] <voidmage> also are the oddities with "connect to server" known, such as saving the servers in your "places" favorites instead of with the server favorites, and the "unable to mount" errors?
[05:10] <macogw> he put ubuntu on it and called me for help
[05:10] <IcemanV9> alternative hardy install stopped at glibc detected *** parted_devices: free(): invalid pointer: 0xb7e48ba8
[05:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> burner, no
[05:10] <Amaranth> a 2 megapixel regular camera will take a better photo than a 5 megapixel cell phone camera
[05:10] <macogw> he has about 14 more years of linux experience than i do
[05:10]  * burner knows what company he would support
[05:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> burner, u can choose suse on some models
[05:11] <alex_mayorga> when would IBM join the party?
[05:11] <tritium> Amaranth: I also intend to get a Dell, likely after they start shipping with 8.04
[05:11] <Amaranth> voidmage: putting them in places is deliberate, they are just bookmarks now same as the other things in places
[05:11]  * tritium has a T43p work laptop
[05:11] <IcemanV9> burner: no, but other linux dist (I don't recall its name)
[05:11] <jimmygoon> I'm getting a t61p soon hopefully :)
[05:11] <Amaranth> as for the other one i used connect to server to setup sftp and smb connections without problems
[05:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, t61p 14' here
[05:12] <alex_mayorga> Dell is finally selling ubuntu over here in latin america
[05:12] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, what res are you at? I'm trying to decide what size/res to get. I want to go all out full wuxga but I'm afraid that will be too small for even m
[05:12]  * pwnguin is just happy that he can browse smb with nautilus and launch mplayer on files found therein
[05:12] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, and a 14" would be nice compared to a 15.4" even though thats what Ihaven ow
[05:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, 1400x1050
[05:13] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, is it... adequate without being too big/small?
[05:13] <voidmage> Amaranth: oh. i kind of liked it in its own category
[05:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, the graphic card sucks compare to 15.4', but it's cheaper
[05:13] <alex_mayorga> whould the eeePC owner send me a PM, please?
[05:13] <gluer> im trying to play any music CD an it just wont play in any apps? any ideas?
[05:14] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, yeah... thats the other things (though the MBP which I don't really like much... have 512mb graphics cards :O)
[05:14] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, i like the res, good enough for me
[05:14] <IcemanV9> my hp (dapper) runs in 1400x1050; it looks so beautiful and sharp
[05:14] <gluer> and yes...i checked the volume
[05:14] <macogw> gluer: have you used flash in firefox lately?
[05:14] <gluer> no
[05:15]  * IcemanV9 restarted the hardy install
[05:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, and the 14' use ddr2 ram for graphic card, compare ddr3 for the 15.4
[05:15] <jimmygoon> Well, my dad has a t60 and its 1400x1050 and its pretty much right on... so on a 15.4 its either go up a bit to wuxga or go down to 1440x1050 (on a bigger screen)
[05:15] <macogw> im going on vacation tomorrow and my net access will be in the form of a Verizon EVDO USB dongle....anyone know if I can use that in Ubuntu?  it's for my dad's windows computer
[05:15] <gluer> why cant i just open the cd.. right click the wav and select Play? where is that option?
[05:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, i prefer to a widescreen 14.1 screen too, but they only offer those for t61
[05:16] <IcemanV9> macogw: try it while you're home
[05:17] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, yeah and the graphics cards for those is similar to the integrated intel junko Ive got now
[05:17] <alex_mayorga> why don-t order a Raven X1 or whatever they call the linux enabled lenovo tablets nowadays
[05:17] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, cause those lack power compared to the t61p :) and because the t61p has decent linux support ... ibm was pretty good about that
[05:18] <IcemanV9> man, alternative hardy is taking a long to detect network hardware ...
[05:18]  * pwnguin has a widescreen 14.1
[05:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, for t61? i think it's a quadro 140m, much better than intel afaik, similar to a gforce 8400m gs
[05:18] <IcemanV9> s/long/long time
[05:18] <pwnguin> from toshiba
[05:18] <pwnguin> its a tablet though ;)
[05:19] <pwnguin> it took me a long time to find a tablet with quality 3d
[05:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, in other hand, t61p has a quadro fx 570m which is similar to a gforce 8600m gt
[05:19] <jimmygoon> ( I don't know what any of those mean :P )
[05:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, gforce 8600m gt is what mbp has
[05:20] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, what model is that?
[05:20] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, mk
[05:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, what i mean is that the regular t61 is good enough on graphic side, much better than integrated intel cards
[05:21] <macogw> IcemanV9: i dont have it at home
[05:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, the t61p just offers some more extra
[05:22] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, yeah. I probably need to rethink just how much of a graphics card I REALLY need...
[05:22] <macogw> IcemanV9: it's my dad's wireless card. we live 250 miles apart and are meeting up in florida for spring break, then going our separate ways again.
[05:22] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: tecra m7. i had to custom order the quadro nvs 110m, and i think they redid the model
[05:23] <macogw> gluer: if you double click it should open in nautilus and let you do that
[05:23] <pwnguin> ok, since there's so many laptop users here, anyone have an sd card and a  Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)
[05:23] <alex_mayorga> toshiba really dropped the ball on killing that series
[05:23] <macogw> pwnguin: yes
[05:23] <IcemanV9> macogw: ah. oh well. i'm sure you can test it and find out. and, research on it before you go. good luck and have fun.
[05:23] <pwnguin> in gutsy it would never work. now it's only a 50 / 50 chance
[05:24] <macogw> IcemanV9: no idea of the model number...so no idea how to research that
[05:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> pwnguin, i have a ext 6-1 card reader but i dont use it a lot
[05:24] <macogw> on we have a different model then
[05:24] <macogw> there are a few different TI 5-in-1 blah blah blah's
[05:24] <macogw> mine has worked consistently since a week after feisty's release
[05:24] <pwnguin> pcixx12
[05:25] <macogw> and worked in edgy if i listed the modules in the /etc/modules
[05:25] <gluer> last nite i used an old usb tv tuner through kaffeine ran it into stereo - tv - and projector on wall, through hardy didnt miss a beat
[05:25] <gluer> hehehe
[05:25] <macogw> pcixx12? where do you get that?
[05:25] <pwnguin> lspci
[05:25] <macogw> lspci doesnt say anything like that for me
[05:25] <IcemanV9> cool, gluer
[05:25] <pwnguin> Texas Instruments PCIxx12 SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller
[05:26] <gluer> ice! very very cool
[05:26] <macogw> is that lscpi -v?
[05:26] <pwnguin> nope
[05:26] <macogw> mine sats exactly what you posted before....how did it change in 2 minutes?
[05:26] <macogw> *says
[05:26] <pwnguin> different line
[05:26] <macogw> 04:09.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD) <-- mine
[05:27] <macogw> oh
[05:27] <gluer> ice: on projector the cube and the wobbly BS windows looks amazing
[05:27] <macogw> ooo
[05:27] <IcemanV9> gluer: ha. i am sure. :)
[05:27] <gluer> hehehe
[05:27] <macogw> ok mine says: 04:09.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller
[05:28] <pwnguin> try lsmod | grep tifm
[05:29] <macogw> they're all loaded, as they should be
[05:29] <macogw> aren't yours?
[05:29] <pwnguin> just two
[05:29] <pwnguin> core and 7xx1
[05:29] <macogw> modprobe the sd one?
[05:29] <macogw> mmc_core should be calling tifm_sd
[05:30] <macogw> wait wrong
[05:30] <macogw> tifm_sd calls mmc_core
[05:30] <pwnguin> they loaded
[05:30] <pwnguin> but nothing changed in dmesg or the device itself
[05:31] <macogw> probably to do with yours being an SD Host Controller and mine being CardBus
[05:32] <pwnguin> i have cardbus listed as well
[05:32] <pwnguin> but thats the interconnect i think
[05:32] <pwnguin> but if you dont have the sd host then who knows
[05:33] <macogw> nope...lspci | grep Texas gets the 5-in-1 line, the CardBus line, and one about FireWire
[05:34] <pwnguin> anyways, ive seen bug reports about it in the past, but mine seemed extra broke.
[05:34] <pwnguin> guess i'll reboot and hope the magic coin lands head up this time
[05:34] <macogw> that line could be the explanation
[05:35] <gluer> are avail WAP's supposed to give some kind of notification? i dont get any
[05:37] <pwnguin> gluer: god i hope not. theres like 20 here
[05:38] <gluer> ive got 2 cisco N1 cards in..im trying to get both running so i can get 600meg
[05:38] <gluer> and two n1 waps
[05:40] <gluer> pwnguin: lol mcdonalds is 250 metres from my house i could get free internet of their McWapCrap
[05:40] <gluer> ;-)
[05:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> fuck adobe, seriously
[05:41] <Flannel> !language
[05:41] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[05:41] <gluer> i agree.. i need wine to give me CS3 support
[05:45] <jimmygoon> see yall thanks for the hearty hardy help
[05:46] <gluer> can i bridge two n1 cards with two n1 waps?
[05:55] <Fjodor_> Hmmm, any ideas about emerald-theme-manager not showing buttons to download themes even though subversion _is_ installed?
[05:58] <crdlb> Fjodor_: that feature was removed since those repos no longer exist
[05:59] <Fjodor_> crdlb: Ah, ok. That seems reasonable then ;-) But where and how do I get themes then?
[06:00] <crdlb> Fjodor_: there are themes on various websites like gnome-look.org
[06:00] <pwnguin> macogw: going through the bugs, i seem to have found a script that eventually brings up the sd card by adding/removing the module
[06:00] <pwnguin> macogw: i see you used to have problems with sd too ;)
[06:00] <crdlb> (they're usually incorrectly labeled as "beryl themes")
[06:00] <Fjodor_> crdlb: Ok, thanks again :-)
[06:01] <Lynoure> KDE3.5.9 and KDE4.0 kubuntus seem to have different install images, is it easy to install both versions of kde on a single instance of the OS in hardy?
[06:06] <macogw> pwnguin: yes in edgy it required manually loading the modules and in feisty devel it was broken, then fixed, then they dropped the driver version number backwards (doh!) and then a week or two after feisty's release they brought back the working driver
[06:07] <pwnguin> macogw: i noticed it worked in like dapper or edgy for the first time and was happy
[06:07] <pwnguin> then it stopped working; even the scripts to try a billion times would fail
[06:08] <pwnguin> apparently mandriva patched this by updating the timeout for sd
[06:08] <pwnguin> from 2 to 10
[06:08] <pwnguin> looking what it's set to currently
[06:11] <macogw> ugh
[06:12] <pwnguin> yea, it's still set to 2
[06:12] <macogw> ubuntu devs say rhythmbox came from gnome in feb, after the patch for my issue was committed, so it's in hardy
[06:12] <macogw> gnome devs say this means the problem is hal's not theirs
[06:12] <macogw> hal reports correct info, so rhythmbox has to be doing it wrong
[06:13] <pwnguin> rhythmbox didnt come from gnome
[06:13] <pwnguin> it came from debian
[06:13] <Lynoure> I wonder if my question was too stupid or too difficult... I'd expect someone to know.
[06:14] <pwnguin> Lynoure: it SHOULD be trivial, but i dont use kde
[06:14] <pwnguin> maybe they make it hard?
[06:14] <gluer> in my opinion i dont think any question is stupid
[06:14] <pwnguin> Lynoure: you've excluded the possibility that nobody is using kubuntu ;)
[06:15] <Lynoure> pwnguin: was not hard in gutsy, but kind of hoping to get certain answer from someone before choosing which image to install
[06:15] <pwnguin> "image"?
[06:15] <Lynoure> pwnguin: someone is, maybe not just awake
[06:15] <Lynoure> pwnguin: which image to install from...
[06:16] <pwnguin> you should be able to set up whatever if you're clever enough
[06:16] <pwnguin> it's all the same repos and apt
[06:16] <Lynoure> pwnguin: Not a native speaker. Not interested in being 'clever' at this point, just wanting to test things as-is.
[06:17] <pwnguin> well, i havent done what you're looking for. anyone else is welcome to chime in here.
[06:17] <Lynoure> pwnguin: one of the things that get too little testing on Kubuntu side is the doing things by the book, the way reasonably new user would. So that's my hobby =)
[06:18] <pwnguin> Lynoure: knock yourself out. i just try to get all my hardware working ;
[06:18] <gluer> lynoure: is the an edubuntu?
[06:18] <gluer> there
[06:19] <Lynoure> gluer: Sorry, I did not understand your question... I don't use edubuntu.
[06:19] <gluer> i have over 800 pcs just waiting for novell to produce a deb login client and i will swap to ubuntu
[06:21] <macogw> pwnguin: well i'm compiling gnome's svn now, so we'll see
[06:23] <Lynoure> gluer: I hope it will happen soon. Or that a compatible open source client will be developed.
[06:23] <gluer> damn: i really hope so too, ive been on this channel for ages trying to figure out a way to have that happen...
[06:24] <gluer> friggin novell
[06:24] <gluer> in australia majority of colleges are still using novell
[06:27] <Lynoure> gluer: you could try to scare them into it with an impatient letter, maybe co-signed with someone else
[06:28] <gluer> ive done all that! many times...with different products they drop..
[06:28] <gluer> anyway wrong channel to discuss hehehe
[06:30] <gluer> any chance ubuntu can create a novell login client? i mean a proper one
[06:30] <gluer> :-)
[06:32] <macogw> pwnguin: ah ha! youre right.  it was synced from debian in feb, but debian sync'd before dec
[06:34] <Lynoure> gluer: I messaged you a bit on this...
[06:36] <clsk> If I install the alpha version will I be able to upgrade to the beta and then to the final release without having to reinstall?
[06:37] <Lynoure> clsk: that's how it is supposed to go, yes.
[06:38] <gluer> lynoure: apologies was just servicing the hardware on my wife
[06:38] <gluer> ;-)
[06:40] <pwnguin> macogw: well, i am amazing
[06:40] <macogw> pwnguin: at least given that the SVN works, that's what i assume happened
[06:44] <awalton__> macogw, I checked the rb source myself, that patch is definitely in ubuntu's sync.
[06:44] <awalton__> it's possible a newer patched fixed the issue though.
[06:44] <macogw> heyy you're the same person
[06:44] <awalton__> indeed. I am a.walton
[06:44]  * macogw is slow
[06:45] <macogw> ok so then i guess the request on the bug should be to sync to upstream rhythmbox?
[06:45] <awalton__> if gnome were awesome and used git, I'd tell you to git-bisect and find the commit so we could backport it.
[06:46] <awalton__> but yeah, you can see if the powers that be will backport it from svn
[06:46] <macogw> is there any way to figure out *which* patch to rhythmbox fixed it? aside from doing checkouts from different time periods to see when it suddenly works correctly?
[06:46] <awalton__> that's pretty much what git-bisect does.
[06:46] <macogw> where would i find these Powers That Be?
[06:47] <macogw> #ubuntu-devel?
[06:47] <awalton__> I'm not sure, which master of the universe is responsible for gnome, or specifically, rhythmbox?
[06:47] <macogw> it wouldnt be MOTU
[06:47] <macogw> that's all in main
[06:47] <awalton__> it's probably seb128, but Im not 100% on that.
[06:47] <awalton__> if he's in nautilus in the next couple of days I'll ping him about it
[06:52] <macogw> well he should be getting emails from launchpad about it
[06:52] <macogw> he's listed as subscribed...i guess cuz he got auto-subscribed
[06:59] <DanaG> I like the toned-down wallpaper, but it seems a bit ugly color to me.
[06:59] <DanaG> My mom described the old one, at least, as looking like "baby puke".
[07:05] <macogw> the old one looked like the outside of a soymilk bottle
[07:05] <macogw> well, chocolate soymilk
[07:05] <macogw> my cousin called it chocolate mousse and asked for a spoon
[07:06] <macogw> this is the soymilk i mean: http://www.iateapie.net/images/brands/silkchocolatemilk.jpg
[07:07] <DanaG> Oh, good point there; however, the brown would need a bit of tweaking.
[07:07] <gluer> my couches are a very nice chocolate color
[07:07] <gluer> hehe
[07:08] <DanaG> Hmm,  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=715530&page=7
[07:09] <gluer> i think the hardy wallpaper looks terrible
[07:09] <DanaG> Take a look at my tweaked heron linked in there.
[07:10] <DanaG> Yeah, the current gross brown-orange looks bad to me.
[07:10] <gluer> yeh ok but its 'tweaked' pls dont release this one
[07:10] <awalton__> macogw, I really can't find that bug in that plugin, it hasn't even changed since that patch was introduced in december.. it had to have been fixed elsewhere.
[07:10] <DanaG> Have you ever seen the Red HP laptop in Best Buy?  Try setting it to the 'woodgrain' wallpaper -- it looks really really nice.
[07:10] <ethana2> approved to run updates now?
[07:11] <ethana2> everyone liking them today?  no explosions?
[07:11] <ethana2> ...here i go
[07:12] <DanaG> Specifically, look at the wallpaper with the tree-ish thingy:  http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/
[07:13] <DanaG> Some of these textures can also be inspiration:  http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_design.html
[07:15] <macogw> ethana2: its all working fine
[07:16] <macogw> awalton__: weird
[07:16] <awalton__> it is :-/
[07:16] <macogw> well, all i know is that svn version works and ubuntu version doesnt
[07:16] <macogw> well....ubuntu version works for many values of works, but not this wone
[07:16] <macogw> s/wone/one
[07:17] <awalton__> well, at least that gives you a well defined start and end point for git-bisect.
[07:17] <pwnguin> macogw: you're funny. "rhythmbox maintainer"
[07:17] <macogw> why?
[07:17] <pwnguin> there are no owners in ubuntu
[07:17] <gluer> DanaG: i can tell you that just like i did with xp a few years the first thing i did was mod my desktop to suite me, i feel the wallpaper looks crappy, I could open my freezer right now, and open my tub of half eaten choc and caramel swirl icecream and take a high res pic and it would look better
[07:17] <macogw> really?
[07:17] <pwnguin> there's just "last guy who touched this"
[07:18] <macogw> but there are maintainers listed in the packaging stuff...
[07:18] <Arelis> is the BETA released?
[07:18] <DanaG> When in Windows, I use the Eminence theme.
[07:18] <ethana2> Arelis:...
[07:18] <macogw> Arelis: no
[07:18] <ethana2> Arelis: last time i checked the release
[07:18] <gluer> DG: first impressions really do count
[07:18] <ethana2> Arelis: there was no beta planned
[07:18] <Arelis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta <-- this page exists. But the HardyHeron page only has alpha 1 to 6
[07:18] <ethana2> exactly
[07:18] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/hp%20kuti%20heron%20tweaked.png
[07:18] <gluer> especially with the students
[07:18] <DanaG> cool idea there.
[07:19] <pwnguin> macogw: there's an original maintainer, but that's from debian.
[07:19] <awalton__> macogw, there have only been about 300 commits between then and now, should only take 8-10 git-bisect steps to find the bug.
[07:19] <DanaG> This thing here will also likely need some sort of bisect:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194214
[07:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[07:19] <macogw> Arelis: beta freeze has happened, but not beta release
[07:19] <ethana2> DanaG: very nice
[07:19] <pwnguin> macogw: ubuntu desktop team is the maintainer of rhythmbox
[07:19] <macogw> oh
[07:19] <DanaG> That's one of HP's business-laptop wallpapers.
[07:19] <DanaG> With the heron on top.
[07:19] <Arelis> macogw: alright. And is there new artwork yet?
[07:20] <macogw> you mean different from gutsy? yes
[07:20] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Wallpapers/
[07:20] <Arelis> can you show me a screenshot of the whole package and the GTK+ theme?
[07:20] <DanaG> Specifically, it's Wallpapers/Third/Portrait
[07:21] <macogw> i also dont think Rhythmbox should report that there are whatever-hundred files missing because you unplugged the PMP
[07:21] <macogw> and ooo weird
[07:21] <macogw> awalton__: here's one better
[07:21] <macogw> now that ive compiled the svn one, the original works
[07:21] <macogw> well, compiled and used
[07:22] <macogw> :-/ that could just have to do with dynamically linked libraries & plugins and path order though
[07:22] <awalton__> that's just plain weird.
[07:22] <DanaG> Anyway, I'm going to go to bed in about 8 minutes.
[07:23] <macogw> so specific
[07:23] <Arelis> Guys, is this message true?: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/02/04/new-theme-for-ubuntu-804-deferred/
[07:23] <awalton__> could be HAL magic voodoo though.
[07:23] <awalton__> I've seen some really really weird things come out of HAL.
[07:24] <DanaG> That heron on HP wallpaper is pretty snazzy.  Picture that with Ubuntu colors, and not as much of an obvious copy of HP's design.
[07:25] <DanaG> Oh hey, if you check out the Second wallpaper, and invert the screen, that looks cool, too.
[07:25] <macogw> awalton__: i reproduced it 3x with the old one :-/
[07:25] <macogw> then i compiled svn and it worked
[07:25] <macogw> then i tried old one after compiling svn and it worked too
[07:25] <macogw> which is freaky
[07:25] <awalton__> that it is.
[07:26] <awalton__> did you upgrade that machine from gutsy to hardy?
[07:26] <macogw> no
[07:26] <awalton__> there goes that theory.
[07:27] <macogw> i installed hardy fresh to kill the virus (Windows) that the repair place installed on it
[07:27] <macogw> that was only 2...maybe 3...weeks ago
[07:27] <awalton__> sounds like fun
[07:28] <awalton__> it's probably some little thing that we're missing, like a gconf key schema that wasn't installed or something
[07:28] <awalton__> but I really have no idea, it's just plain bizarre
[07:30] <oxigen> oh, there are some new upgrades in the repository, any major problems with it?
[07:30] <macogw> no
[07:30] <macogw> theyre fine
[07:30] <oxigen> cool! :)
[08:21] <brianski> how's hardy looking for those who are using it?
[08:21] <wxPython> hello
[08:21] <wxPython> brianski as i've read a hardy review, it is already a very promising thing as it stated
[08:22] <wxPython> and that was said for hardy alpha 6! ;)
[08:22] <wxPython> wait till the final version arrives
[08:22] <wxPython> when more bugs are fixed and stuff like that
[08:23] <wxPython> then it'll be even better as it already is ;)
[08:23] <wxPython> ubuntu is better than every linux distro
[08:23] <wxPython> if you ask me ;)
[08:24] <wxPython> can't wait for the beta
[08:24] <wxPython> to test it
[08:25] <wxPython> and the final version of course :)
[08:26] <brianski> wxPython: well i like ubuntu plenty too, my hopes are up for hardy
[08:27] <cwillu> brianski, it's looking to be a fairly amazing release
[08:27] <cwillu> technically at least
[08:27] <brianski> but they were high for gutsy, and i was let down. i'm hoping the fact that it's a LTS release, and that various risks were taken in gutsy will mean a nice, featureful yet relatively bug-free release
[08:28] <brianski> maybe like the rule for apple, aovid the .0 releases, ubuntu's rule will be avoid the .-1 releases ;-)
[08:28] <cwillu> b43 for the broadcom wireless cards, cfs scheduler, ff3, pulse audio, etc
[08:28] <brianski> yeah i'm looking forward to pulse audio and tickless on amd64
[08:28] <wxPython> brianski yes, the LTS thing does promise a stable distro but nothing is bug-free, only bug-less :)
[08:29] <brianski> cwillu: ff3?
[08:29] <wxPython> yeah
[08:29] <cwillu> default browser is ff3
[08:29] <brianski> what's that?
[08:29] <cwillu> firefox 3
[08:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> firefox3
[08:29] <brianski> oh
[08:29] <brianski> duh
[08:29] <wxPython> firefox
[08:29] <brianski> nice
[08:29] <cwillu> extremely improved memory usage, big performance increases across the board
[08:29] <brianski> ffox3 is kind of disappointing to me, but that's another story
[08:29] <wxPython> but they'll include the beta in the final release
[08:29] <brianski> cwillu: i'm waiting with baited breath for ff4 already, heh
[08:29] <wxPython> ff3 will be beta
[08:29] <cwillu> lol
[08:30] <brianski> tamarin, better threading support, etc.
[08:30] <wxPython> well, unless the mozilla group releases the final version fast ;)
[08:30] <cwillu> yep, that'll be nice
[08:30] <brianski> isn't cfs scheduler already on gutsy?
[08:31] <wxPython> cfs?
[08:31] <wxPython> what is that?
[08:31] <brianski> huh it looks like it isn't
[08:31] <brianski> completely fair scheduler
[08:31] <wxPython> oh
[08:31] <brianski> a better scheduler for desktops and laptops
[08:32] <wxPython> is rhythmbox going to be replaced with some other app?
[08:32] <brianski> ? what's wrong with rhythmbox?
[08:32] <wxPython> because rhythmbox sux
[08:32] <brianski> hmm, i rather like it
[08:33] <brianski> you can always install k3b or somesuch
[08:33] <wxPython> amarok rox
[08:33] <brianski> err s/k3b/amarok/
[08:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> brianski, cfs is not in gusty afaik
[08:33] <brianski> brainfart
[08:33] <woden> what's the name of the package to install libc header files onto my system?
[08:33] <brianski> [Hardy]TuTUXG: yeah it looks like it isn't
[08:33] <brianski> libc6-dev?
[08:34] <brianski> or maybe linux-libc-dev
[08:34] <sigp239> brianski:  Is that it?
[08:34] <brianski> (but i'm running gutsy so it might have changed)
[08:34] <brianski> sigp239: not sure, i always just install build-essential and don't worry about the particulars
[08:39] <wxPython> How to make Amarok my default music player on gnome?
[08:39] <wxPython> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/amarok /usr/local/bin/rhythmbox
[08:39] <pwnguin> thats a terrible way
[08:40] <pwnguin> right click on a .ogg (or .mp3)
[08:40] <pwnguin> go to properties
[08:40] <pwnguin> "open with"
[08:40] <wxPython> Just go to System -> Preferred Applications -> Multimedia
[08:40] <wxPython> Then chose Custom Player option and type amarok in Command field.
[08:40] <wxPython> or is there another way?
[08:40] <pwnguin> that'd probably be the best
[08:41] <wxPython> because i want to make amarok the system default media player
[08:41] <wxPython> so when music button on my multimedia keyboard is pressed, amarok should start
[08:42] <wxPython> and also when i plug in my iPod or my mp3 player, amarok should start
[08:44] <wxPython> this is the answer...
[08:44] <wxPython> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/04/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod-in-ubuntu/
[08:44] <wxPython> ;)
[08:46] <wxPython> i'll post the answer anyway
[08:46] <wxPython> How to make Amarok the default software for your iPod
[08:46] <wxPython>    1. Select System -> Preferences -> Removable Drives and Media.
[08:46] <wxPython> 2. Select the Multimedia tab and then click the Browse… button in the Portable Music Players section.
[08:46] <oxigen> hmm, i just noticed that i dont have games (hmm, except Dreamchess) any more in the menu? am i alone with this?
[08:46] <wxPython> 3. Assuming you installed Amarok in the default location, select File System from the Places column, then the usr folder and finally the bin folder. Scroll down to amarok, select it and then click the Open button.
[08:47] <wxPython> 4. Back at the Removable Devices and Media Preferences window, click the Close button.
[08:47] <wxPython> 5. The next time you plug in your iPod, Amarok will launch.
[08:48] <wxPython> say i have a SanDisk Sansa e260 mp3 player... is it also possible to configure Amarok for it?
[08:49] <wxPython> do i have to choose the MTP Media Device in Amarok configuration and set my player's USMmode to MTP?
[08:50] <wxPython> *USB mode to MTP
[08:50] <wxPython> ?
[08:51] <wxPython> maybe i need to install the plugin for that?
[08:52] <wxPython> maybe i need to install the sansa plugin or something so that it's available in the Media Devices plugin combobox...?
[08:52] <wxPython> are you all dead or what
[08:52] <oxigen> wxPython: maybe you should ask this @ #amarok or something..
[08:52] <wxPython> ?
[08:52] <wxPython> okay i will
[09:02] <KEB1> hello, i want to use  firefox 2, how can i make that  its german?
[09:03] <KEB1> under gusty i have only to type "mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de"
[09:10] <KEBA> (10:02:32) KEBA: hello, i want to use  firefox 2, how can i make that  its german?
[09:10] <KEBA> (10:03:08) KEBA: under gusty i have only to type "mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de"
[10:03] <kristian42> It seems like i'm getting a generic video driver on a64 and the included nvidia driver does not work. Any suggestions ?
[10:26] <jimqode> New time zone selector is a pain in the neck
[10:26] <jimqode> Are the going to change it back? I think they should.
[10:26] <kyklone> may you make a screenshot?
[10:26] <kyklone> :)
[10:27] <jimqode> kyklone, was it at me?
[10:27] <kyklone> ya
[10:27] <jimqode> it is an interactivity problem, not a visual one
[10:28] <jimqode> screenshot wouldn't tell anything
[10:28] <jimqode> in gutsy, first click zoomed the map
[10:28] <jimqode> then you selected a city
[10:28] <jimqode> in hardy map zoom when you put you pointer in the map
[10:28] <jimqode> then moving the pointer pans the map and also moves the pointer
[10:28] <kyklone> ah this timezone selector... i dont think it is even work since time is UTC anyway
[10:29] <kyklone> i expected UTC/localtime switcher or something
[10:29] <jimqode> hmm i'm still not sure we're talking about the same issue :)
[10:30] <jimqode> i'm talking about the timezone selector in the ubuntu installer
[10:30] <kyklone> yeah i know
[10:30] <|DuReX|> It would be cool if dmraid devices would get a /dev/disk/by-uuid symlink etc .. :s
 no matter what you select in ubuntu installer, time will be UTC
[10:34] <jimqode> kyklone, but that's a separate problem altogether. Never mind I found the bug report for this one.
[10:34] <jimqode> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/199728
[10:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199728 in ubiquity "hardy alpha6 install timezone map" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:36] <kyklone> jimqode: well this probably not a bug but usability problem... i mean i think it is intended
[10:50] <jimqode> well it's not a very good idea then. I had to struggle for minutes on that screen. There is no option for Istanbul on the dropdown
[10:53] <Hobbsee> wonder why evand hasn't responded to that yet
[10:53] <gebeleizis> [help] ubuntu hardy, thunderbird gets the ugliest fonts (this is because they are so small, but if I change the size then all the other applications get to big fonts). Why is this happening?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> gebeleizis: change it in thunderbird preferences, not the entire gnome
[10:54] <gebeleizis> how? I am playing with fonts in thunderbird and nothing
[10:55] <gebeleizis> it only changes the fonts inside the mails, but the menus and stuff nothing
[10:55] <kyklone> and openoffice in kubuntu not obey system font settings...
[10:55] <kyklone> and i found no way to fix it inside openoffice
[10:57] <Hobbsee> gebeleizis: hmm, strange.  i don't know.
[10:57] <Hobbsee> kyklone: no, you'll need to change that in the open office settings
[10:58] <Hobbsee> or the gtk apps module in system settings, come to think of it
[10:59] <kyklone> from what i remember openoffice not have setting to make fonts antialiased (appear not thick), dunno about gtk module
[10:59] <kyklone> or this is not work
[11:00] <nacer> hey hey
[11:00] <kyklone> is openoffice gtk app?
[11:00] <nacer> do you know the bug waiting for root file system
[11:00] <nacer> with the generic kernel
[11:01] <nacer> with the 386 one he s booting
[11:10] <kyklone> Hobbsee, from what i reading on internet, openoffice is not gtk, it can use gtk, or can use QT
[11:11] <kyklone> uses own toolkit internally
[11:23] <afflux> ubotu: mp3
[11:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:29] <gebeleizis> I just reinstalled thunderbird with ubuntuzilla and everything is good
[11:30] <kyklone> ubuntuzilla?
[11:34] <gebeleizis> http://ubuntuzilla.wiki.sourceforge.net/
[11:37] <|DuReX|> I upgraded to Hardy :) works perfect, but still I can't get my wireless card into Master mode, i get: after iwconfig wlan0 mode Master, 'SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument'
[11:37] <|DuReX|> :(
 isnt backports must be a better way than this? to install latest software...
[11:41] <cwillu> |DuReX|, just want to make sure you know what you're into, 'works perfect' doesn't mean it'll still work perfect tomorrow, you know that right? :p
[11:42] <|DuReX|> ofc :) not a linux noob :)
[11:42] <|DuReX|> :p
[11:42] <cwillu> okay, just making sure (the libc debacle, et al :p)
[11:42] <cwillu> what chipset?
[11:43] <|DuReX|> RTL 8187
[11:43] <cwillu> bah, no experience with that set, sorry
[11:44] <gebeleizis> I hae no ideaa, but the fact that is working...I don't care
[11:46] <|DuReX|> it uses a real linux driver at least
[11:46] <|DuReX|> no ndiswrapper
[11:48] <cwillu> why must gvfs be such an unreliable piece of !#!@#!@?
[11:48] <cwillu> I have yet to be able to use it for a solid day without it hanging nautilus
[11:51] <kyklone> ubuntu have drop-down menu for grub installation but kubuntu not
[12:12] <kyklone> mm i just tested openoffice fonts in kubuntu once again, and KDE font settings are applied this time, no configuration required... but this is openoffice 2.4.0... i probably tested 2.3.1 last time
[12:13] <kyklone> nice
[12:14] <kyklone> if its not related to video driver... cuz now i run this in virtual machine
[13:13] <wxPython> hello
[13:14] <secretlondon> hi
[13:14] <wxPython> there is one question that i have regarding to hardy heron
[13:15] <wxPython> is there going to be an internet connection wizard in Ubuntu 8.04?
[13:15] <wxPython> as a newbie, i had to do  sudo pppoeconf
[13:15] <secretlondon> I doubt it as there isn't one yet
[13:16] <wxPython> and i wasn't very keen on this
[13:16] <secretlondon> there does seem to be issues with ppp currently
[13:16] <wxPython> hmm
[13:16] <secretlondon> as network manager doesn't seem to deal well with dial up connections
[13:16] <wxPython> in ubuntu hardy?
[13:17] <secretlondon> eg firefox thinks i'm offline until I tell it otherwise
[13:17] <secretlondon> yes in hardy
[13:17] <wxPython> hmmm
[13:17] <secretlondon> I use wvdial to get my connection
[13:17] <wxPython> so you don't do  sudo pppoeconf in the console?
[13:18] <wxPython> but i am refering to pppoe
[13:18] <wxPython> not ppp
 network manager now includes simple GUI for pppoe connections
[13:18] <kyklone> also GPRS
[13:18] <wxPython> wow
[13:18] <wxPython> great
[13:18] <KEBA> hello, i cant choose my nvidia driver, what can i do?
[13:19] <secretlondon> kyklone the gprs doesn't work for me (or didn't)
[13:19] <wxPython> kyklone where is it located?
[13:19] <wxPython> System > .... ?
 did you initialized gprs modem with wvdialconf ?
[13:19] <kyklone> after that i think it should work
[13:19] <KEBA> my xorg.conf is really really broken, but i cant configurate "it"
[13:19] <secretlondon> kyklone its set up in wvdial.conf
[13:20] <wxPython> what's the label of the that GUI for pppoe connections?
[13:20] <wxPython> i am not on hardy now so i can't look
 well maybe it is just old mess, that network manager dont write "auto interface" in config file currently, maybe it is not work cuz of it, but i think it should be fixed
[13:21] <wxPython> in Windows XP, there is New Connection Wizard
[13:21] <wxPython> but in Hardy it is what?
[13:21] <kyklone> pppoe work for me if i fix "interfaces" file after network manager made its changes
[13:22] <kyklone> wxPython i click in tray, manual config
[13:22] <wxPython> kyklone please report that as a bug then ;)
[13:22] <kyklone> its called network applet in administration probably
[13:22] <secretlondon> network settings
[13:23] <wxPython> Fedora has a nice GUI to set an internet connection
[13:23] <savvas> pff.. imagine that a person evan in launchpad marked my older bug report as a duplicate of a newer one, which didn't provide any more info than the one I reported
[13:23] <wxPython> ubuntu never had one of those things
[13:23] <secretlondon> it doesn't have a phone number to dial for gprs, I need that for my 3g/hsdpa connection
 now i see, you completely right
[13:24] <kyklone> i need to set up phone number too
[13:25] <wxPython> i would like to have a list of available choices whether i want to create a modem connection or a token ring connection or a xDSL connection...
[13:25] <wxPython> is that present now in hardy?
[13:26] <savvas> hm..
[13:26] <wxPython> because i hate to open the console and do  sudo pppoeconf
[13:26] <wxPython> Fedora has a nice GUI to set an internet connection
[13:26] <kyklone> but fedora have no gprs support and no MS vpn support
[13:26] <wxPython> *has no ;)
[13:26] <savvas> anyone using firefox beta 4 ?:) try download a pdf, what's the default "open with" application there?
[13:27] <wxPython> savvas i'll test
[13:27] <savvas> like http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_3166-3_newsletter_i-5.pdf
[13:27] <wxPython> does it matter if i'm on Windows and not on Linux?
[13:27] <kyklone> wxPython: what you mean? i tested fedora 9 alpha
[13:27] <savvas> i don't think so wxPython, but give it a swirl
[13:27] <wxPython> ok
[13:28] <wxPython> ha!
[13:28] <wxPython> the pdf just opened
[13:28] <wxPython> no choice dialog whatsoever
[13:28] <savvas> it's probably an ubuntu issue
[13:28] <wxPython> yeah
[13:28] <savvas> the applications tab in the preferences is empty
[13:29] <kyklone> well what network manager version now in hardy? 0.6.5? cuz i heard it should be released with 0.6.6 or something, and _may be_ 0.7. so some things should be changed
[13:29] <wxPython> i have Adobe Reader installed which handled the pdf file opening by default
[13:29] <savvas>   Installed: 0.6.6-0ubuntu1
[13:29] <kyklone> mmm
[13:29] <wxPython> there's a nasty thing in ff 3.0b4 you know...
[13:31] <AntonChigurh> is this to be in hardy? http://wicd.sourceforge.net
[13:31] <wxPython> if i view a page and press the WWW button on my multimedia keyboard, that does not open a new www.google.com site in a new tab
[13:31] <wxPython> new pages should be opened in new tabs is my setting
[13:32] <pax``> Hello, are there any known bugs/somewhere I could look for them regarding language switch applet? I have english and russian in the layouts, alt-shift for switching - for some reason it won't work - no switching happens, can't type anything in russian
[13:33] <wxPython> if i view www.ubuntu.com and i press the WWW button on my multimedia keyboard, then this page (ubuntu.ccm) is changed to www.google.com    i HATE that
[13:33] <kyklone> savvas: must be a very recent update cuz alpha 6 shipped with 0.6.5
[13:34] <wxPython> it should open a new instance of firefox (if set so in the preferences) or it should open the new page in the new tab (if, again, set so in the preferences)
[13:34] <wxPython> can i report this bug?
 same here, have this sine alpha 4 or something, work if you re-check alt+shift switching option
[13:35] <kyklone> sine=since
[13:36] <pax``> kyklone, hmm... indeed, thanks, didn't know about the workaround, was stuck with X's transliterated cyrillic method >.<
[13:36] <wxPython> there's a nasty thing in ff 3.0b4 you know...
[13:37] <wxPython> if i view a page and press the WWW button on my multimedia keyboard, that does not open a new www.google.com site in a new tab
[13:37] <wxPython> it should open a new instance of firefox (if set so in the preferences) or it should open the new page in the new tab (if, again, set so in the preferences)
[13:37] <wxPython> new pages should be opened in new tabs is my setting
[13:37] <wxPython> so why the hell does this stupid thing occur?
[13:37] <wxPython> a bug?
[13:41] <lime4x4> heres an odd problem running hardy mythbuntu as long as i have the wired ethernet connected my wireless works
[13:44] <Seveas> !hardy | lime4x4
[13:44] <ubotu> lime4x4: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[13:46] <secretlondon> setting my 3g modem up as a serial modem does seem to work
[13:54] <rod> Hey the daily images report for the last few days that openoffice wont build. Well I dont need openoffice, but will the daily image still succesfully complete the install process?
[13:54] <Balaams_Miracle> Question: How risky is it for a not completely unexperienced user to upgrade to the first beta of any new Ubuntu release when it comes out?
[13:55] <savvas> it's not recommended to use the daily images rod
[13:55] <sn0> Balaams_Miracle very risky :)
[13:55] <sn0> generally if you have to ask, its not recommended
[13:56] <Balaams_Miracle> sn0: I mean, i am quite adventurous, but at the same time i wouldn't want to get stuck with broken system-critical stuff which wouldn't be fixed for weeks.
[13:56] <rod> savvas, i tried the latest alpha but then i have to download 200mb....
[13:56] <Balaams_Miracle> sn0: days would still be acceptable though :-)
[13:56] <savvas> rod: it's much safer to wait for the beta then
[13:56] <KrimZon> mine was broken for 9 hours on thursday :)
[13:57] <kyklone> generally... system critical stuff can be succesfuly broken for a weeks in released OS too
[13:57] <KEBA> K(14:19:45) KEBA: my xorg.conf is really really broken, but i cant configurate "it"
[13:57] <savvas> Balaams_Miracle: here's a suggestion, if you want to really contribute, when the beta is out download the desktop live cd and give it a swirl, report bugs about your hardware or if you notice anything not working
[13:57] <rod> yeah well.... I just want to know if the installation will fail if there is a non-essential package broken... thats all
[13:57] <rod> ill fix it afterwards
[13:57] <KrimZon> but i installed hardy because it was the only ubuntu that would install with wubi and supported my graphics card properly
[13:58] <savvas> rod: I think openoffice is "hardwired" to the ubuntu-desktop package, maybe it will, maybe it won't, if you're ready to take your chances, give it a go :)
[14:02] <Balaams_Miracle> savvas: I have been running hardy in a VM since before the first alpha without any real breakage so far. I'm just curious as to how big the risk at breakage is in comparison to the alphas. My guess is that the risk is lower, though still present, but am i right?
[14:03] <Balaams_Miracle> with "real" i meant "permanent"
[14:04] <cwillu> Balaams_Miracle, libc
[14:04] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: What about libc?
[14:04] <cwillu> that's the risk.
[14:05] <cwillu> that's what breaks, that's the worst that could happen really
[14:05] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: Are you saying that it _will_ break, that is _is_ broken, or that it _might_ break?
[14:06] <cwillu> the only way your vm install didn't break multiple times in many different ways over the last months is if you didn't update it
 i guess you need a real analysis of risks, i will be interested to look at it too, it may be real costly... and not a "chat" matter... you always have risks of failures, and most weak part of linux is X, i think.
[14:06] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: True, i'm not running the VM every day...
[14:07] <cwillu> I've been running hardy on my desktops since alpha1, but I never update them all at the same time
[14:07] <cwillu> currently things seem stable
[14:08] <cwillu> I wouldn't run it on a remote machine though
[14:08] <kyklone> Balaams_Miracle: are you running nuclear reactor on linux?
[14:09] <Balaams_Miracle> kyklone: Heh, no. But i am running a shoutcast server which i want to keep up 24/7 (or the nearest to that)
[14:09] <cwillu> I guess that's probably a good way of putting it, actually:  hardy is still in 'physical access' mode, don't run it if you can't fix the box from scratch :p
[14:09] <cwillu> Balaams_Miracle, well, that's a no brainer then, don't even think about running it.  You need to be able to apply updates in case of security issues, etc, but you can't trust that the updates won't break everything :p
[14:10] <kyklone> Balaams_Miracle: why you want to upgrade to hardy?
[14:10] <kyklone> even beta
[14:10] <Lynoure> Balaams_Miracle: actually even wait a bit after the official release... to be safer.
[14:11] <Balaams_Miracle> kyklone: Because i'm involved in translating Ubuntu to Dutch (working on the docs right now). It helps a lot if you can compare the actual menu items with what the docs say.
[14:11] <nomasteryoda> because hardy has lots of new stuff would be my answer
[14:11] <nomasteryoda> even if its still bit buggy
[14:12] <kyklone> nomasteryoda: yes but does it matter for shoutcast server?
[14:12] <Balaams_Miracle> nomasteryoda: That too, and that stuff will need to be translated too
[14:12] <Balaams_Miracle> kyklone: That shoutcast server is my workstation at the same time :-)
[14:12] <cwillu> well, now you're just being silly :)
[14:13] <kyklone> Balaams_Miracle: you may just run VM
[14:13] <cwillu> or buy a cheap used machines
[14:13] <cwillu> s/s//
[14:13] <Balaams_Miracle> Shoutcast doesn't require a lot of resources, so there's plenty of room for it being a workstation.
[14:13] <cwillu> yes, but if you need reliability, then running it on a workstation isn't conducive to the type of things people do on workstations
[14:13] <soto> What happens between beta freeze and beta release?
[14:14] <cwillu> bug fixes and testing
[14:14] <cwillu> !release
[14:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[14:15] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: If i could afford to buy anything, i would have. I wouldn't have run Hardy in a VM either. Not that you had any way of knowing that, but still.
[14:15] <soto> cwillu: Is there an unofficial beta release candidate (post alpha-6, pre-beta)?
[14:16] <soto> Besides just pulling the packages.
[14:16] <Balaams_Miracle> soto: Wait 5 more days until the first beta
[14:16] <cwillu> soto, apply every update that shows up in update-manager (+proposed repos) :p
[14:16] <soto> Balaams_Miracle: When is the beta release 'frozen'? The day before the official release?
[14:17] <Balaams_Miracle> soto: IIRC, the beta freeze is already in effect...
[14:18] <cwillu> Balaams_Miracle, honestly, if you can't afford to lose the machine, then don't.  As nice as it is to have lots of people testing, I don't think anybody would want to see you stranded because of a test install gone south
[14:19] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: It's not just testing, it's primarily translating.
[14:19] <cwillu> yes, but if the install stops booting for whatever reason, are you pooched, or do you have something else you can boot?
[14:21] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: As long as i can get into a terminal, either from a LiveCD or on my harddisk, then i believe i can keep my machine up and keep working.
[14:21] <cwillu> okay, then it's just a matter of pain tolerance;  you could run ibex if you really wanted to :)
[14:23] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: Also, i make frequent backups of my home, and i would make a full system backup if i were preparing to install the beta. (BTW: what's ibex?)
[14:23] <cwillu> !ibex
[14:23] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[14:24] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: Ah! I wasn't aware that it already had a name.
[14:25] <wxPython> in Firefox 3.0 Beta 4, the page is reloaded if the homepage button is pressed in multimedia keyboard, and it doesn't matter whether the setting is set to 'New pages should be opened in:   a new tab'   or   'New pages should be opened in:   a new window'
[14:25] <cwillu> it'll probably work fine then, as long as you take precautions
[14:27] <cwillu> I just want to point out the conflict between 'something I kinda want to be up 24/7' and 'need to do work on a development version' :p
[14:27] <cwillu> but if you're okay with that, then go ahead :)
[14:29] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: Thanks for all the info. I realize that there seems to be a contradiction in what i said, but the 24/7 uptime is something that i would like to happen. The translations though, are what need to happen. In other words, to me, the translations have priority over uptime.
[14:30] <Balaams_Miracle> But if i can have my cake and eat it too, then that would be even better :-))
[14:31] <cwillu> If you have no choice but to have your cake, then the eating of it is left to fate.  You'll probably be able to eat it though :p
[14:31] <Balaams_Miracle> LOL!
[14:37] <cwillu> anyways, I'm going to bed :p
[15:00] <secretlondon> personally I don't see much point in having cake if you can't eat it
[15:04] <savvas> what cake?
[15:04] <savvas> oh
[15:16] <Exilant> i'm just wondering, isn't hardy LTS?
[15:17] <virtuald> it will be
[15:17] <bob__> hi guys, I just upgraded to alpha 6, and I'm having major problems
[15:18] <virtuald> sounds like an enjoyable experience ;)
[15:18] <Exilant> also for kubuntu? the wikipedia page says differernt
[15:18] <spiderfire> is compiz etc not needed now with the kde4 desktop?
[15:18] <kalatian> Gnome Hardy is LTS
[15:19] <Exilant> spiderfire: no
[15:19] <kalatian> Kubuntu is not because of KDE4, IIRC
[15:19] <Exilant> ah, i see
[15:19] <kalatian> KDE4 is (apparently) not stable enough to base an LTS on
[15:19] <spiderfire> so i can uninstall my compiz stuff?
[15:19] <kalatian> spiderfire: if you uninstall it and it doesn't work, reinstall it
[15:20] <kalatian> but I think KDE4 has a built in compositor, so you should be fine
[15:20] <spiderfire> plasma eh?
[15:20] <Exilant> no, it in fact isn't
[15:20]  * kalatian doesn't use KDE4
[15:20] <Exilant> me too
[15:21] <Exilant> i installed it, but it really isn't that usable
[15:21] <kalatian> I installed it and it looked awesome, missing some key features, so I'm waiting for the 4.1 release :)
[15:21] <bob__> can some one please help me
[15:22] <bob__> i upgraded to heron last night and now every time i reboot my resolution goes back to being tiny
[15:22] <bob__> and my xorg.conf file is messed, I tried to edit it but it changes back on reboot
[15:22] <spiderfire> bob__: do you use an nvidia card?
[15:22] <Exilant> somehow the xorg.conf is widely ignored anyway
[15:23] <bob__> spiderfire: intel gma x
[15:23] <bob__> 3100
[15:23] <spiderfire> bob__: does that load as a module?
[15:23] <bob__> spiderfire: i'm not sure what you mean
[15:24] <kalatian> someone correct me if I'm wrong -- newer versions of Xorg don't use xorg.conf as much as older versions
[15:24] <spiderfire> when the kernel boots it looks for modules you need and loads them
[15:24] <kalatian> I'd like to say they don't use it at all, but I think that's pushing it
[15:24] <BUGabundo> no they don't, kalatian
[15:24] <spiderfire> kalatian: it is used
[15:24] <jpbotelho> hi.. the last firefox upgrade lost all my bookmarks. any1 know how i fix it??
[15:24] <BUGabundo> one is created only for certain things
[15:24] <BUGabundo> for compatibility
[15:25] <kalatian> BUGabundo: no they aren't used, or no, they are used?
[15:25] <bob__> what should I do, because its setting my resolution to tiny so I can barely see every time i reboot?
[15:25] <BUGabundo> well, kalatian, when you install it, it doesn't create one imeaditly
[15:25] <spiderfire> bob__: well first look and see if you video card is loaded
[15:25] <BUGabundo> but I seem to have one...
[15:25] <kalatian> BUGabundo: got ya :D
[15:25] <BUGabundo> of course I did a dist-upgrade
[15:25] <bob__> spiderfire: how?
[15:25] <kalatian> (I hate English :P)
[15:26] <spiderfire> bob__: type lsmod in a terminal
[15:26] <BUGabundo> but have removed mine in the past
[15:26] <kalatian> I should probably update my Hardy computer in the morning since they've fixed the libc6 bugs
[15:26] <bob__> spiderfire: whole bunch of stuff poped up
[15:26] <BUGabundo> eheh haven't you yet, kalatian?
[15:26] <BUGabundo> I do mine 2-3 times a day
[15:27] <spiderfire> bob__:  you dont see your card mentioned there
[15:27] <BUGabundo> of course I was it by libc6 bug.....
[15:27] <kalatian> I have to get the thing out and plug it in, it's kind of a pain
[15:27] <BUGabundo> damn screen went to sleep, and I couldn't login.
[15:27] <kalatian> I wasn't hit by the libc6 bug :P
[15:27] <jpbotelho> hi.. in the last firefox upgrade i lost all my bookmarks. any1 know how i fix it??
[15:27] <bob__> spiderfire: I wouldn't really know what to look for, I'm a linux noob
[15:27] <spiderfire> bob__: ok jus sec
[15:27] <BUGabundo> jpbotelho: there should be a folder with backups
[15:27] <bob__> spiderfire: pastebin?
[15:28] <spiderfire> sure
[15:28] <dashua> +OK QIwod.TuV7s/
[15:28] <BUGabundo> look in .mozilla/firefox/PROFILE/bookmarks-backup
[15:28] <bob__> spiderfire: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59680/
[15:28] <spiderfire> bob__: whatever you got ill look at
[15:28] <jpbotelho> i have this bkp.. but i need use it in firefox
[15:29] <bob__> spiderfire: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59680/
[15:29] <BUGabundo> sure jpbotelho
[15:29] <BUGabundo> just rename it
[15:29] <BUGabundo> or copy it to the original file
[15:30] <BUGabundo> there should be an bookmarks.html in the folder
[15:30] <BUGabundo> and then again, since FF3 uses sqlite, that won't do it
[15:30] <BUGabundo> but you can try importing them
[15:30] <burner> ff3 doesn't use bookmarks.html?!?!?
[15:31] <Wartorn> When i have an Intel X3100 graphics chip, what driver should i use? when im looking at "Screens and graphics preferences" it shows "Driver: none" and the second says driver: vesa - generic.
[15:31] <Wartorn> which seems odd
[15:31] <kalatian> Wartorn: there should be an intel driver of some sort
[15:31] <wxPython> please tell me something
[15:31] <burner> driver is "intel" I think
[15:31] <Wartorn> also, when i press "test" with that setting, it says it failed
[15:32] <BUGabundo> I don't think so burner
[15:32] <wxPython> please visit this link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361
[15:32] <jpbotelho> i have alot of problens with navigation and bookmarks toolbar..
[15:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress]
[15:32] <burner> BUGabundo: guess i dont' know the newer instel things... i use nvidia here
[15:32] <BUGabundo> yeah that new bar sucks, jpbotelho
[15:32] <bob__> spiderfire?
[15:32] <wxPython> does In Progress mean that the bug is in the progress of being fixed?
[15:32] <BUGabundo> and it is case-insencitive!!!!
[15:32] <wxPython> does In Progress means that the bug is in the progress of being fixed?
[15:32] <wxPython> please visit this link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361
[15:32] <spiderfire> bob__: just thinking
[15:32] <wxPython> well?
[15:32] <bob__> ok
[15:33] <spiderfire> bob__: well it looks like your card is there
[15:33] <bob__> spiderfire: why would the settings be resetting uppon reboot then?
[15:33] <spiderfire> so i would try reconfiguring the xorg.conf file with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:34] <jpbotelho> BUGabundo, i lost all sites of my bookmarks toolbar and the navigation toolbar dont have action when i press enter or i click in arrow to go
[15:34] <bob__> spiderfire: says command not found
[15:35] <BUGabundo> there isn't a click arrow on FF3 jpbotelho
[15:35] <BUGabundo> lolol
[15:35] <BUGabundo> are you sure you are on FF3?
[15:35] <jpbotelho> FF3 beta 4
[15:35] <BUGabundo> I still use my swiftfox 2.0
[15:35] <BUGabundo> FF3 breaks all my addons
[15:35] <secretlondon> I miss the click arrow
[15:35] <spiderfire> bob__: that command should be there
[15:35] <BUGabundo> and the url bar is case-insesitive
[15:35] <secretlondon> the beta 4 breaks flash block
[15:35] <BUGabundo> me too secretlondon
[15:35] <jpbotelho> but when o press enter.. the site dont open
[15:35] <bob__> spiderfire: I pasted sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:36] <sudobash> swiftfox is ok but not for flash media
[15:36] <spiderfire> bob__: ttry sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg --reinstall
[15:36] <secretlondon> BUGabundo: I'm currently using epiphany, can't cope without click arrow and especially not without flash block
[15:36] <sudobash> actually on a slow machine the default firefox works just as well
[15:37] <bob__> spiderfire: done
[15:37] <spiderfire> now try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:37] <_dan_> nvidia driver doenst work for me since -12 kernel, modprobe always say error running install cmd with 386 and generic kernel
[15:37] <_dan_> any solution to that?
[15:38] <bob__> spiderfire: brings up a picture asking me if I want to reconfigure
[15:38] <spiderfire> bob__: ok so do that as best you can
[15:38] <bob__> ok
[15:38] <Wartorn> when i select the intel driver, it keeps reverting back to "vesa", any solution to that?
[15:39] <bob__> spiderfire: it didn't give me any graphics cards options
[15:39] <wxPython> if the GNOME Panel bug   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel bug also be fixed?
[15:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress]
[15:41] <spiderfire> bob__: maybe try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/i915Driver
[15:41] <spiderfire> if you have web atm
[15:41] <bob__> I do
[15:42] <bob__> I have the intel gma x3100 card
[15:42] <bob__> not sure if that matters
[15:43] <Wartorn> bob__: are you experiencing agonizingly slow 3d with that card? mine runs like molasses
[15:43] <bob__> what do you mean by slow 3d?
[15:43] <bob__> I have turned all desktop effects off
[15:43] <Wartorn> like, extremely bad framerates (even in some 3d screensavers), weird rendering etc
[15:44] <bob__> not really, nothing unusual, although I've only been using linux for a few days
[15:44] <Wartorn> Ah, okay
[15:44] <bob__> I just don't know why my settings are messing up every time I reboot
[15:45] <spiderfire> bob__: your card is part of the i915 family which is what is shown when you type lsmod
[15:45] <bob__> spiderfire: what does that mean, I need to get that driver?
[15:46] <spiderfire> bob__: not necessarily. Since the driver is there and loaded, you should only have to configure the xorg.conf
[15:46] <bob__> what should I do?
[15:47] <bob__> in screen and graphics options, under the graphics card tab, nothing is listed
[15:47] <bob__> it says no graphics card
[15:47] <spiderfire> try following the link i showed you...sudo apt-get install 915resolution
[15:47] <bob__> installed
[15:49] <bob__> spiderfire: now what?
[15:51] <spiderfire> Install the 915resolution package. This package is in the universe repository.
[15:51] <bob__> spiderfire: in the /etc/X11/ directory, I have a whole bunch of xorg.conf files, with xorg.conf1 to 6
[15:52] <bob__> and several backups
[15:52] <bob__> I thought I just installed it
[15:52] <spiderfire> bob__: your server only uses xorg.conf
[15:52] <spiderfire> Make xorg use the i810 driver. I did this by executing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:53] <bob__> says command not found
[15:55] <bob__> spiderfire: should I try and reboot to see what happens?
[15:55] <spiderfire> no i dont think do
[15:55] <bob__> ok
[15:55] <spiderfire> do you need to get your xconfigured
[15:55] <bob__> ?
[15:56] <spiderfire> try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg --reinstall
[15:56] <spiderfire> and select 810 driver like it says in the link maybe
[15:56] <bob__> done
[15:57] <spiderfire> ok now pastebin me your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:57] <spiderfire> to see if the device section mentions the i810 driver
[15:58] <bob__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59682/
[16:00] <bob__> spiderfire: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59682/
[16:00] <spiderfire> bob__: i dont know bob__, try restarting the xserver
[16:00] <bob__> spiderfire: how?
[16:00] <spiderfire> see if it works ctrl+alt+backspace
[16:02] <spiderfire> oops i made bob go away...hope he can make it back
[16:03] <bob__> wow
[16:03] <bob__> ok, now its at 800*600
[16:03] <bob__> spiderfire
[16:03] <spiderfire> what happen?
[16:03] <bob__> it restarted the comp or something
[16:04] <bob__> now it won't let me change the resolution to 1024*768
[16:04] <spiderfire> ok
[16:04] <bob__> could it be my monitot's fault?
[16:04] <bob__> monitor*
[16:04] <spiderfire> what was the resolution before?
[16:04] <bob__> before 1024*768?
[16:05] <bob__> thats the highest mine can go
[16:05] <spiderfire> no i mean before 800x600
[16:05] <bob__> its a 4 year old acer 15 inch
[16:05] <bob__> 1024*768
[16:05] <bob__> 1024*768 is my max res
[16:05] <bob__> I've been told it could be because my monitor is crap that I have all these problems
[16:06] <spiderfire> well maybe...but you have 800x600 now but before you have 640x480?
[16:07] <bob__> no, before every time I would boot up it would be 600*400, but I could change it to 1024*768 ( my current max settings), not its stuck at 800*600
[16:07] <bob__> and thats only since upgrading to heron
[16:09] <BUGabundo> what's up with python minimal ?
[16:09] <BUGabundo> LiveCD is complaining about it!
[16:09] <bob__> any ideas?
[16:09] <spiderfire> bob__: other then following the instructions here i have no idea. http://www.geocities.com/stomljen/
[16:09] <flipstar> BUGabundo: the daily or alpha6 ?
[16:10] <bob__> spiderfire: so basically its a problem with heron and I shouldn't have upgraded
[16:10] <flipstar> bob__: which tool you have used to change res ?
[16:10] <spiderfire> bob__: sorry i dont mean that sie
[16:10] <zniavre> you should modiy your xorg modes for display
[16:11] <bob__> I use system screen and graphics
[16:11] <zniavre> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59683/   check your xorg i did the tricks
[16:11] <BUGabundo> flipstar: alpha6 dist-upgrade to today while running LiveCD
[16:11] <BUGabundo> is it still being built?
[16:11] <spiderfire> http://roland-lopez.blogspot.com/2007/03/auto915resolution-ubuntu-resolution-fix.html
[16:11] <typhox> hi
[16:11] <spiderfire> bob__: try there...its more simple
[16:12] <bob__> ok
[16:12] <bob__> I have a backup of my xorg.conf that worked in 7.10, any way to replace that?
[16:13] <BUGabundo> don't do that bob__
[16:13] <BUGabundo> it will break your X11
[16:13] <bob__> ok
[16:13] <bob__> oh
[16:13] <flipstar> BUGabundo: there were no changes to python-minimal ..
[16:13] <BUGabundo> humm
[16:13] <BUGabundo> why isn't it installing then!?
[16:13] <bmk789> anyone using apt-mirror in hardy?
[16:13] <BUGabundo> humm no virtual disk available?
[16:14] <bderrly> how do i configure my printer with hardy? there is no printer link in the system -> administration menu anymore
[16:14] <BUGabundo> I just use apt-chache and deb-torrent, bmk789
[16:14] <bmk789> how well does debtorrent work?
[16:14] <BUGabundo> bderrly: alt-f3 and type printer
[16:14] <BUGabundo> I've one only used it twice
[16:14] <BUGabundo> both from inside a LAN
[16:14] <BUGabundo> did the job quite well
[16:15] <bmk789> hm
[16:15] <BUGabundo> not sure if it was any faster the regular download
[16:15] <bderrly> BUGabundo, alt+f3 doesn't do anything
[16:15] <bob__> it says Login as root (you must be logged in as root to create the startup script)
[16:15] <AntonChigurh> is this to be in hardy? http://wicd.sourceforge.net
[16:15] <BUGabundo> but since we were under heavy QoS it was a bit faster
[16:15] <bob__> how do I log in as root in the terminal
[16:15] <bderrly> bob__, sudo -s
[16:15] <bob__> k
[16:15] <BUGabundo> bob sudo -I or plain su (if you have a pass on root)
[16:16] <BUGabundo> bob__:  sudo -I or plain su (if you have a pass on root)
[16:16] <bob__> ok
[16:16] <BUGabundo> bderrly: humm did you remove deskbar applet?
[16:17] <bob__> what bits pixel do I want?
[16:17] <BUGabundo> bderrly: alt-f2 and type system-config-printer
[16:17] <bob__> 8 16 or 32
[16:17] <BUGabundo> 8
[16:17] <bob__> why 8?
[16:17] <spiderfire> 32
[16:17] <BUGabundo> is more then enough to use on the shell
[16:17] <bob__> Mode 34 : 1024x768, 8 bits/pixel
[16:17] <BUGabundo> why would you use 32 on a black shell spiderfire?
[16:17] <bob__> so i type 34?
[16:18] <bob__> so.....
[16:18] <bob__> what do I chose?
[16:18] <BUGabundo> I would go with 8
[16:18] <spiderfire> 8 bit color?
[16:18] <BUGabundo> but you're the MAN
[16:18] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:18] <bderrly> meh
[16:18] <bderrly> i give up
[16:18] <BUGabundo> didn't work bderrly?
[16:18] <spiderfire> 8 bit color for console mayeb but this is his x sever
[16:19] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[16:19] <BUGabundo> sorry
[16:19] <BUGabundo> missread
[16:19] <BUGabundo> then GO 32...
[16:19] <savvas> hm... I can't select the java in openoffice.org :( tools -> options -> openoffice.org -> java is empty but I have java installed! :\
[16:19] <BUGabundo> or even 48 bits lol
[16:19] <bob__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59684/
[16:19] <bob__> spiderfire: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59684/
[16:19] <spiderfire> bob__: you want 1024x768 at 32bit color
[16:19] <flipstar> not 24bit ?
[16:19] <bob__> so mode 54?
[16:20] <bob__> :(
[16:20] <bob__> doesn't give me 24 option 8, 16 or 32
[16:21] <bob__> spiderfire: mode 54 right?
[16:21] <spiderfire> so you want 54
[16:21] <bob__> k
[16:21] <bob__> What's your monitor's maximum color depth? (Please enter 8, 16, 24 or 32)
[16:21] <bob__> If you are no sure, 24 should work with most new monitors:
[16:21] <bob__> I have no idea
[16:22] <bob__> 24 then?
[16:22] <bob__> but its not new
[16:22] <bob__> 4 years old
[16:22] <Typhox> I think there is a critical problem with the gnome-panel
[16:22] <spiderfire> 24 is 32
[16:22] <bob__> ok
[16:22] <Artimus> bob__: Every monitor I own can handle 32bit color (which is called 24 in Linux)
[16:22] <bob__> k
[16:22] <flipstar> wired thing
[16:23] <bob__> tells me to restart
[16:23] <bob__> brb
[16:23] <bob__> spiderfire: brb
[16:23] <bob__> have to reboot
[16:23] <Typhox> Very often when i click on the time to show the calender the panel freezes and it isn't possible to restart it with "gnome-panel"...
[16:25] <wxPython> if the GNOME Panel bug   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel bug also be fixed?
[16:25] <wxPython> well?
[16:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress]
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> if the GNOME Panel bug   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel bug also be fixed?
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:26] <Typhox> hm? I don't understand
[16:26] <bob__> spiderfire: didn't work, still at 800*600
[16:26] <jpatrick> wxPython: ...
[16:27] <spiderfire> bob__: maybe you can recoinfigure your xserver again with the same driver and choose a lower refresh rate
[16:28] <spiderfire> i dont know
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress]
[16:28] <spiderfire> im out of ideas
[16:28] <wxPython> please tell
[16:28] <savvas> hm... openoffice.org wasn't installed correctly, I had to sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <wxPython> please tell
[16:28] <bob__> spiderfire: ok, thanks anyways
[16:28] <spiderfire> np
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <flipstar> wxPython: whats wrong dude ?
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <wxPython> please tell
[16:28] <BUGabundo> spiderfire: any ideas on what went wrong with my python-minimal?
[16:29] <BUGabundo> should I report on LP?
[16:29] <wxPython> flipstar please answer me
[16:29] <savvas> wxPython: ?
[16:29] <wxPython> tell me please
[16:29] <flipstar> first stop spamming
[16:29] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress]
[16:29] <BUGabundo> not many ppl will be doing alpha 6 LiveCDs updates
[16:29] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:29] <wxPython> tell me please
[16:29] <flipstar> could someone kick him ?
[16:29] <jimmygoon> wxPython, chill out. STOP spamming. We all see it
[16:29] <wxPython> answer it god damn it!!
[16:30] <Typhox> who? Me?
[16:30] <jimmygoon> I don't know. And no one wants to help you when you spam and demand answers.
[16:30] <wxPython> yes
[16:30] <spiderfire> BUGabundo: sure report it
[16:30] <wxPython> Typhox please tell
[16:30] <wxPython> tell me you stupid fucks!!
[16:31] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:31] <jester7> wow
[16:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress]
[16:31] <wxPython> tell me you stupid fucks!!
[16:31] <Typhox> hm...^^ I clicked on the calender and sometimes gnome-panel crashes
[16:31] <jester7> are you still in here worried about that stupid box around the icons?
[16:32] <spiderfire> wxPython: thats not nice behaviour. freenode is a very valuable place. If you behave badly and get removed it would be a disadvantage to you
[16:32] <Typhox> wxPython: i didn't understand your question
[16:33] <Typhox> But i think my problem has nothing to do with the bug 18361
[16:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18361
[16:33] <wxPython> jester7 fucking YES!!
[16:34] <hydrogen> watch your moth
[16:34] <jester7> ocd much?
[16:34] <hydrogen> mouth even
[16:34] <wxPython> Typhox please report your bug!
[16:34] <hydrogen> I'll watch my spelling :/
[16:34] <wxPython> jester7 my ass is all over your face
[16:35] <Typhox> aha, sorry, i have no experience with reporting bugs on launchpad^^
[16:35] <jimmygoon> It's easy. You just need an account. It fairly painless to register
[16:35] <Typhox> aha^^
[16:35] <jester7> wxPython: i see, i didn't realize you were a kid
[16:36] <wxPython> Typhox you MUST report that bug
[16:36] <wxPython> really must
[16:36] <wxPython> just register
[16:36] <Typhox> aha
[16:36] <Typhox> okay
[16:36] <jimmygoon> wxPython, it seems to be bothering you more....
[16:36] <AntonChigurh> wxPython, there is a channel for those types of comments ##ubuntu-uncensored
[16:36] <wxPython> i fucking hate bugs!!
[16:36] <wxPython> hate 'em
[16:36] <hydrogen> so
[16:37] <wxPython> fuck
[16:37] <wxPython> shit
[16:37] <wxPython> ass
[16:37] <wxPython> pussy
[16:37] <wxPython> dick
[16:37] <hydrogen> thats pretty creative
[16:37] <wxPython> there's no Op so you can suck my ass
[16:37] <hydrogen> !ops
[16:37] <jester7> especially ones that are cosmetic only!  who cares if ubuntu works, wxPython wants it pretty!
[16:37] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[16:37] <hydrogen> pew pew pew
[16:37] <jester7> lao
[16:37] <jester7> lmao
[16:37] <jester7> that was awesome
[16:41] <AntonChigurh> is this to be in hardy? http://wicd.sourceforge.net
[16:48] <jester7> is there a ubuntu-on-dell channel anywhere?
[16:49] <AntonChigurh> ubuntu on dell? sounds kinky
[16:50] <jester7> http://www.dell.com/ubuntu
[16:50] <jester7> i just want to know if they are going to support hardy upgrades
[16:51] <crimsun> they have a web-based forum
[16:51] <crimsun> it's likely more responsive [timely] than their dev channel
[16:53] <BadRobot> hi there
[16:53] <BadRobot> g'evening
[16:53] <BadRobot> is the epiphany 2.22 on hardy shipped with Gecko 1.9 or WebKit?
[16:54] <tumi> looks like the weather report in the international clock is using the "feels like" attribute instead of actual temperature
[16:54] <GuyFromHell> BadRobot, apt-cache show epiphany-browser says it uses Gecko by default
[16:54] <GuyFromHell> BadRobot, so if that's what you installed...
[16:55] <soto> Is there a list somewhere of what packages are queued to be included in the repositories? I'm interested in the status of Xmonad-contrib in particular.
[16:56] <crimsun> soto: not really.  There're queues of things that have been uploaded, rejected, accepted.
[16:57] <soto> crimsun: So what will be the process to determine if a package makes it into hardy?
[16:58] <crimsun> soto: if it's approved by the appropriate feature freeze exception team.
[16:58] <crimsun> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess)
[16:59] <soto> crimsun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/201494
[16:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201494 in ubuntu "[FFe] Please sync xmonad-contrib (0.6-4) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[16:59] <crimsun> note that we are now in Beta Freeze additionally, so not only does the source package have to be approved by the appropriate feature freeze exception team, but a release manager must also approve.
[16:59] <soto> crimsun: Are the last two comments there members of the freeze exception team?
[16:59] <BadRobot> i have installed the one with gecko
[17:00] <BadRobot> it works really nicely
[17:00] <crimsun> soto: from MOTU FFe, yes.
[17:00] <BadRobot> when will the beta's be on the servers?
[17:01] <soto> crimsun: So those comments indicate that an exception will be made for that package?
[17:01] <BadRobot> or when will the iso(beta) be released to download?
[17:02] <danag1> does -12 break the atheros HAL?`i get ethernet, not wifi
[17:02] <soto> BadRobot: 20th
[17:02] <crimsun> soto: it appears so.
[17:02] <soto> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[17:02] <soto> crimsun: THanks
[17:03] <jimmygoon_> Is there something special I need to do to get java working with firefox 3 beta 4?
[17:03] <soto> Can anyone using LVM on Hardy confirm that they have experienced no issues on upgrade to Hardy?
[17:03] <danag1> jimmygoon_ i have bad problems with java apps up to freezing of the whole x dektop
[17:04] <jimmygoon_> well I need to do a java based speed test - im on the phone with the tech complaining about only getting 3.5 mb and instead I did a test and got 12mb :P
[17:05] <spiderfire> hows the 64bit ubuntu?
[17:05] <jimmygoon_> It won't even recognize the plugin and when I choose to install it In firefox it says its alerady installed
[17:05] <flipstar> 64bit in general is .. ... complicated in some apps
[17:05] <danag1> does -12 break the atheros HAL?`i get ethernet, not wifi
[17:05] <tumi> soto, I can
[17:06] <user5> hyello
[17:06] <tumi> soto, although my root filesystem is not an lvm logical volume
[17:06] <danag1> it seems to be more of a dhcp problem. does kernel -12 break the dhcp?
[17:07] <crimsun> danag1: lsmod|awk '/^ssb/'
[17:08] <danag1> crimsun: wow, that is somewhat cryptic
[17:08] <danag1> is that a command?
[17:08] <jetsaredim> any reason that my gnome panel seems to have disappeared?
[17:08] <crimsun> danag1: yes, it's a command.
[17:08] <danag1> alright i'll bash it
[17:08] <jetsaredim> I just installed alpha6 and did all of the updates, logout/login and poof no panel
[17:09] <danag1> i ran it as sudo
[17:09] <danag1> and it didnt output anything
[17:09] <crimsun> danag1: no need for sudo, but ok.
[17:10] <danag1> ok, let me check it our real quick
[17:20] <spiderfire> the flash has to do with the initializing of the plugin. Its like you have to have 1 flash vid already loaded for other ones to load instantly
[17:21] <danage> crimsun: thanks, but no workie
[17:21] <danage> what is it supposed to fix?
[17:22] <soto> tumi: Thanks for the info.
[17:24] <spiderfire> anyone have like youtube videos take 10 seconds to load?
[17:25] <danage> anybody know how to get networking working on -12?
[17:26] <user5> I'm in k -12 going good
[17:26] <user5> wath problem?
[17:26] <danage> no dhcp or no atheros hal, i am not sure
[17:26] <danage> the wireless seems to be up and iwconfig says associated
[17:26] <danage> but i get no ip with dhclient
[17:28] <sudobash> man iwconfig
[17:28] <user5> ip for dns are ok?
[17:29] <danage> dns? i get no ip by dhcp server thus no ip for dns by dhcp server
[17:29] <danage> sudobash: ?
[17:29] <sudobash> restart machine
[17:29] <sudobash> and make sure the wireless is set to DHCP
[17:29] <nemo> interesting. Tales of Pirates works under wine now
[17:29] <danage> i did
[17:29] <nemo> I'll have to tell my little brother
[17:29] <nemo> he was really into that
[17:29] <nemo> (he destroyed the windows install that was on his machine less than a week after I gave it to him with some crap off a warez site)
[17:29] <nemo> ... he never was able to figure out the downloading of the nvidia network/sound/graphics drivers that was necessary.  Only thing he could figure out to install was ubuntu :)
[17:30] <sudobash> router or access pint
[17:30] <sudobash> point
[17:30] <danage> i use network manager
[17:30] <danage> it is set to dhcp
[17:30] <danage> i changed nothing in the config between -11 and -12
[17:31] <sudobash> iwconfig eth0 ap any
[17:31] <sudobash> where eth0 is your NIC
[17:32] <danage> ap address = ESSID?
[17:32] <sudobash> MAC address
[17:32] <danage> wtf
[17:32] <sudobash> just use any
[17:33] <sudobash> iwconfig eth0 ap 00:60:1D:01:23:45
[17:33] <sudobash> or iwconfig eth0 ap any
[17:33] <danage> ok
[17:33] <danage> done.
[17:33] <sudobash> iwconfig eth0 mode auto
[17:34] <sudobash> iwconfig eth0 essid "My Network"
[17:35] <danage> access point invalid
[17:35] <danage> ah, now
[17:35] <sudobash> replace "My Network" with your ESSID
[17:35] <danage> interesting... does not associate
[17:35] <sudobash> iwconfig eth0 channel auto
[17:36] <danage> invalid argument
[17:36] <sudobash> maybe you need to run sudo apt-get update  and sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:36] <sudobash> all that stuff i said came out of "man iwconfig"
[17:38] <danage> sudobash: i appreciate your help
[17:38] <danage> sudobash: it is associated now
[17:39] <sudobash> cool
[17:39] <danage> dhclient -----> doesnt get address
[17:40] <sudobash> it doesnt get IP?
[17:41] <danage> no
[17:41] <danage> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[17:41] <danage> it worked on -11
[17:41] <danage> eth0 works, by the way. just ath0
[17:44] <danage> crimsun: could you help me?
[17:45] <nemo> danage: hey. this is perhaps totally unhelpful, but have you tried wifi-radar?
[17:45] <skroops> I'm trying to install via pxeboot and it's stuck at 6% of the ubuntu-desktop install
[17:45] <nemo> danage: sounds like your issues are lower level, but anyway, that's what I use with my mad-wifi/atheros
[17:46] <danage> nemo: thanks. i use network manager. it all worked until i did the distro-upgrade, there must be something in the update that broke it
[17:46] <savvas> danage: apt-cache policy network-manager | grep Installed
[17:47] <danage> Installed: 0.6.6-0ubuntu1
[17:47] <nemo> danage: ah. that has happened to me with madwifi
[17:47] <nemo> not getting updated when kernel does...
[17:48] <danage> hmm
[17:48] <danage> it should come through with update-manager?
[17:48] <nemo> theoretically :)
[17:49] <savvas> um.. danage nevertheless, you should try and play around with wifi-radar
[17:49] <danage> savvas: might do, might do
[17:50] <danage> crimsun seemed to have a fix earlier, that didn't work, but he might know
[17:52] <nemo> say. um. does anyone know if vbox 1.5.6 might make it in before the freeze?
[17:52] <nemo> I was browsing the package page, but wasn't clear who I should ask about that
[17:52] <nemo> it'd be really helpful - 1.5.4 has some annoying crashes
[17:52] <DanaG> Aargh, rsvg-convert just randomly started devouring 70% of my memory, including swap.
[17:53] <nemo> randomly :)
[17:53] <DanaG> ....So I had to alt-sysrq-k to kill Xorg, and then use htop to kill rsvg-convert.
[17:53] <nemo> yeep
[17:53] <DanaG> Then when I went to log in again, I got a kernel panic.
[17:54] <nemo> how about when logging in with older kernel? :-/
[17:56] <savvas> hm.. there's a weird AlphaBravoCharlie wifi nearby.. I wonder what it is :P
[17:56] <tumi> how are people playing video files in hardy? Xv does'nt work for me unless I disable compiz, but I really want to unless necessary
[17:57] <danage> tumi: are you on radeon?
[17:57] <tumi> ye
[17:57] <tumi> +s
[17:57] <danage> there is a fix
[17:57] <danage> it doesnt work for me
[17:57] <danage> but you can try
[17:57] <danage> are you on 16bpp or 24bpp
[17:57] <nemo> tumi: mplayer lets you pick between like a dozen video outs and you can't find one that works? :)
[17:58] <nemo> not even opengl? :)
[17:58] <jimmygoon> does anyone have firefox3 b4 w/ java working?
[17:58] <nemo> yes
[17:58] <nemo> jimmygoon: they still haven't fixed that plugin thing? :-/
[17:58] <savvas> not me
[17:58] <jimmygoon> gr, firefox won't recognize the fact that the java plugin is installed :(
[17:58] <nemo> jimmygoon: I said !@#$ it and symlinked the dozen Gecko plugin dirs all together
[17:58] <danage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/150519
[17:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150519 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "radeon driver can not do xv with AIGLX enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:58] <savvas> they have a plugin, but it doesn't work on most sites
[17:58] <nemo> friggen ubuntu :)
[17:58] <jimmygoon> I really really need it
[17:59] <jimmygoon> nemo haha
[17:59] <nemo> savvas: wasn't your problem on 64bit or something?
[17:59] <savvas> yep
[17:59] <tumi> nemo, I'm really looking for a compizimagesink in gstreamer
[17:59] <jimmygoon> what do you mean it doesn't work on most sites?
[17:59] <J-_> are the newest updates safe to install?
[17:59] <jimmygoon> the official sun java 6 plugin :S
[17:59] <nemo> jimmygoon: ok. either you are on 64bit (in which case savvas prob)
[17:59] <savvas> nemo: i'm really thinking about going over to 32bit
[18:00] <jimmygoon> nemo, I'm not on 64bit. plain ole 32 bit
[18:00] <nemo> jimmygoon: or you have my prob from a couple of weeks ago where I discovered there are waaaay too many gecko plugin dirs
[18:00] <nemo> jimmygoon: odds are you have my prob :)
[18:00] <danage> tumi: i think this fix aint work for gstramer
[18:00] <danage> but read the bug report
[18:00] <danage> are you on 16bpp or 24bpp
[18:00] <nemo> jimmygoon: go to about:plugins  - note down the plugins that *did* install.  find out which of the dozen gecko dirs that is, and symlink the java6 sun plugin to the right dir :(
[18:00] <jimmygoon> nemo, I'm just trying to recall the correct plugin dir for firefox on linux
[18:00] <nemo> jimmygoon: is insane under ubuntu
[18:01] <nemo> jimmygoon: ls -ld /usr/lib/*/plugins   <- :)
[18:01] <nemo> jimmygoon: and yes those aren't *all* gecko
[18:01] <jimmygoon> oh god
[18:01] <jimmygoon> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins$ ls
[18:01] <jimmygoon> flashplugin-alternative.so  libgcjwebplugin.so  libjavaplugin.so
[18:01] <jimmygoon> its there!!! :(
[18:01] <nemo> jimmygoon: yeah. I just symlinked 'em all together
[18:01] <wastrel> hi
[18:01] <nemo> firefox-addons, iceweasel, iceape...
[18:02] <nemo> jimmygoon: until some dev can give me a good reason for why they are broken up by default...
[18:02] <jimmygoon> nemo, well I don't want to hurt my system for later
[18:02] <nemo> yeah. that bugged me too, but no one would get back to me on it :-/
[18:03] <jimmygoon> I'm really contemplating just booting windows ;( (yes, I know its alpha)
[18:03] <nemo> jimmygoon: you could always save the ls prior to symlinking :)
[18:03]  * nemo doesn't have a Windows to boot
[18:03] <nemo> well, except from inside VirtualBox
[18:03] <nemo> or wine
[18:03] <jimmygoon> It appears that /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox is ONLY created by webgcjplugin not by the official sun plugin
[18:03] <nemo> whee
[18:03] <nemo> bug time? :)
[18:03] <jimmygoon> nemo, I do but its speed testing I'm doing so I don't want to run it through a vm
[18:04] <jimmygoon> I can't file it now, I have to figure out this speed problem before they call me on it
[18:04] <Lynoure> Where could I find the current Kubuntu end-user upgrade instructions from 7.10 to Hardy?
[18:04] <Lynoure> I would love to test the upgrade now that there is still time.
[18:04] <nemo> jimmygoon: ah. for dev, at work, I use synergy2 and a seperate windows box as guest
[18:05] <danage> Lynoure: i would wait until release
[18:05] <jimmygoon> dear god... /usr/lib$ ls | grep firefox
[18:05] <jimmygoon> firefox
[18:05] <jimmygoon> firefox-3.0b4
[18:05] <jimmygoon> firefox-addons
[18:05] <jimmygoon> firefox-plugins
[18:05] <Lynoure> danage: I'm not an enduser...
[18:05] <jimmygoon> what in christ's name...
[18:05] <Lynoure> danage: and last time I tested them in late beta, they did not work. So better sooner this time
[18:05] <danage> ah
[18:05] <danage> :)
[18:05] <nemo> jimmygoon: um. try that ls -ld /usr/lib/*/plugins  :)  there are more than just those
[18:06] <Lynoure> danage: seems most devs do a fresh install or cli upgrade, and thus the final way gets less testing than one could hope
[18:06] <jimmygoon> how do i use find to find libflashplayer.so that would give me a starting point
[18:06] <nemo> find /usr/lib -name libflashplayer.so
[18:06] <nemo> find /usr/lib -name libflashplayer.so -ls
[18:06] <nemo> or locate I suppose
[18:06] <nemo> depending on when you updated the locate cache and when you installed flash :)
[18:07] <jimmygoon> er, it only has one instance and it isn't even in a firefox plugin area
[18:07] <jimmygoon> would that find sym/hard links as well?
[18:07] <nemo> sure
[18:07] <nemo> oh.
[18:07] <jimmygoon> it must be in the firefox config to load from  /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so here then.... since that is the only appearance of that file
[18:07] <nemo> maybe they rename it when symlinking
[18:07] <nemo> wouldn't shock me
[18:07] <wastrel> is dvd playing working in hardy?
[18:07] <wastrel> or is it just this disk i'm having trouble with?
[18:08] <nemo> jimmygoon: ls -l /etc/alternatives/*flash*
[18:08] <nemo> *sigh*
[18:08] <nemo> ok. I'm sure they have a good reason for this
[18:08] <nemo> but seriously
[18:08] <jimmygoon> nemo, yep. you're right and seriously is the exact sentiment :P
[18:08] <nemo> how many of us want to use a different flash for each Gecko product?
[18:08] <jimmygoon> haha
[18:09] <nemo> they should default to just one plugin dir with one symlink, and override as the user chooses or a package finds necessary
[18:09] <jimmygoon> so now what?
[18:09] <nemo> jimmygoon: find /usr/lib -name "*flashplugin*"
[18:09] <nemo> I guess, to see where all those /etc/alternatives go
[18:09] <jimmygoon> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[18:10] <jimmygoon> BUT
[18:10] <jimmygoon> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[18:10] <nemo> ...
[18:10] <jimmygoon> er, ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[18:10] <jimmygoon> flashplugin-alternative.so  libjavaplugin.so
[18:10] <jimmygoon> so it should be being loaded!!
[18:10] <nemo> um. I guess.
[18:10] <nemo> so you have flash, but not java
[18:10] <flipstar> wastrel: no trouble with dvds here..
[18:10] <nemo> and you refreshed about:plugins
[18:10] <jimmygoon> er, maybe I should be dealing with icedtea and openjdk?
[18:11] <jimmygoon> nemo, er, by refreshed if you mean I closed firefox and reopened it
[18:11] <nemo> that works too :-p
[18:11] <nemo> jimmygoon: suppose you could launch ff from cli to see if there was an error on plugin load
[18:11] <nemo> reboot time. brb.
[18:11] <jimmygoon> so what is this: icedtea-java7-bin - Java runtime based on OpenJDK
[18:12] <bwlang> i have a method that returns an IList<Instrument>... i need to pass that collection to a method that expects  and IEnumerable<IXmlSerializable>... Instruments implement that IXmlSerializable interface.  I get a compiler error if i try to pass it directly... if i try to do a cast (IEnumerable<IXmlSerializable>)... i get a runtime erorr saying that it can't access a non-static member of the...
[18:12] <bwlang> ...outer type... the method is static.  Why doesn't this work?
[18:13] <jimmygoon> wrong room?
[18:13] <bwlang> doy
[18:13] <bwlang> whups
[18:13] <bwlang> i'll try that in the next tab over ;)
[18:15] <nemo> jimmygoon: aaand back
[18:15] <jimmygoon> nemo, icedtea fixed it
[18:15] <nemo> jimmygoon: you know sun opened java for 7 right?
[18:15] <nemo> good times
[18:15] <jimmygoon> it calls it the gcj java plugin though
[18:16] <nemo> ah. *shrug*
[18:16] <jimmygoon> In my recollection gcj was always arse-slow
[18:16] <nemo> well, maybe this is using the new sun code :)
[18:16] <jimmygoon> I hope so
[18:16] <jimmygoon> well, the package manager is icedtea-java7-jre etc but about:plugins says gcj so w/e .. my speed test works. thanks for the feedback, thoughts and help
[18:17] <jimmygoon> now I must disconnect to test :)
[18:21] <skroops> has anyone got hardy installed from netboot? is it possibe?
[18:21] <skroops> I keep getting hung up
[18:21] <flipstar> i installed via debootstrap
[18:22] <skroops> flipstar, i don't really know the difference
[18:23] <skroops> wait nvm it seems to have started going again
[18:27] <Lunks> cutey login screen ;x
[18:28]  * J-_ installs the Hardy updates, hopefully it doesn't bork
[18:30] <Lunks> J-_: it may. ;)
[18:30] <J-_> =(
[18:31] <Lunks> just updated my hardy setup, compiz broke
[18:31] <Lunks> =P
[18:31] <Lunks> not big deal, but a pain hehe
[18:32] <wastrel> compiz
[18:33] <Lunks> wastrel: 'makefusion' compiz, but still broke. :P
[18:33] <Lunks> downloading it again and compiling to see if it gets back. :)
[18:56] <lime4x4> hardy 64 bit all updates installed firefoxe very slow to load pages
[19:06] <jimmygoon> There is no codec for ogg vorbis by defautl :O :O not possible!!
[19:09] <jester7> that seems odd
[19:09] <sudobash> ##ubuntu-uncensored
[19:10] <jimmygoon> well I purge totem from my system... its the first thing I do...
[19:10] <jimmygoon> and I just installed vlc and its extension and the ogg sounds... jesus... my speakers are gonna explode
[19:11] <jimmygoon> the oggs sound fine in rhythmbox though
[19:11] <Pici> sudobash: ?
[19:11] <jimmygoon> hmm, maybe its time I gave ... no I can't use totem... I simply can't
[19:12] <lamalex> Does anyone know how to associate an icon with a filetype?
[19:12] <lamalex> .iso files don't have icons with tangerine icons
[19:13] <matjan> hmmm... my install is unable to make icons for avi files... is there a way to fix that
[19:13] <matjan> 6?
[19:13] <matjan> also... gnome panel keeps on segfaulting
[19:14] <tgelter> ok, cool. looks like to problems reported for today's updates
[19:14] <tgelter> (in topic)
[19:15] <Gumby> !wpa
[19:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[19:15] <tgelter> !802.11n
[19:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 802.11n - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:16] <emet_> Home of the  Hardy Heron?
[19:16] <emet_> can I get fries with that?
[19:16] <sudobash> so operators can you tell me why you watch those who are banned and log what they say?
[19:16] <lamalex> I don't think herons are legal to eat
[19:17] <Gumby> "WPA configuration is handled seamlessly by the "just works" WifiDocs/NetworkManager and should be installed with recent versions of Ubuntu."  <--- lol, except for the fact that networkmaanger doesnt even offer wpa in hardy it seems only wep
[19:17] <flipstar> sudobash: for misbehaving in general
[19:17] <lamalex> great blue one's aren't at least, and I'd imagine an orange heron is more rare than that
[19:18] <sudobash> well i take offense to that because i tend to help a lot of people on freenode and it kind of upsets me to think that you are monitoring everyone so intently...
[19:19] <flipstar> sudobash: see this bot 'ubuntulog' ? seems they log everything
[19:19] <Lynoure> sudobash: more suited for #ubuntu-ops, maybe?
[19:20] <sudobash> why pinpoint questions though?
[19:20] <stdin> sudobash: spamming is not helpful
[19:20] <Gumby> does anyone know why wpa isnt listed in network manager when you connect to a wifi network that has been found but when you setup a connection manually you can then choose wpa?
[19:21] <lamalex> Gumby: that's not my experience at all
[19:21] <Gumby> lamalex: its my experience here with a fresh install.  If I select one of the "Wireless Networks"  in the list I can only choose WEP or... I forget the other on (if I try to see it I will get knocked off of IRC)
[19:22] <Gumby> if I choose to "connect to other wireless network"  I then have the option of wpa
[19:22] <lamalex> Gumby: on mine when I connect, if it's a WPA network WPA is already selected
[19:22] <Gumby> lamalex: fresh install or upgrade from gutsy?
[19:23] <lamalex> Gumby: fresh as of alpha4
[19:23] <Gumby> hrm.
[19:23] <lamalex> but it's always done that for me since edgy
[19:23] <Gumby> hrm.
[19:24] <Gumby> I wonder if I add one wpa if it will then give me the option.
[19:24] <Gumby> bbiaf if I get knocked offline here
[19:34] <jimmygoon> my least favorite ubuntu feature: http://i31.tinypic.com/23iwjfk.jpg
[19:34] <Gumby`> well now, its tough to connect to a wpa encrypted network with wpa when its only a wep encrypted network  :D
[19:48] <Unksi> yea, imo it should expand another menu there instead of scrolling it, that is annoying
[19:49] <Unksi> dunno if that can be changed tho, but considering its gnome, i wouldnt be suprised if thats not possible
[19:52] <sudobash> ok so i dont have a case
[19:52] <sudobash> https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/bans.cgi
[19:52] <sudobash> bantracker
[19:53] <jpatrick> sudobash: please /join #ubuntu-ops
[20:07] <donspaulding> is easy_install broken for everyone, or just me?
[20:09] <donspaulding> sudo apt-get --purge remove python-setuptools && sudo apt-get install python-setuptools
[20:10] <donspaulding> it removes and installs fine, then when I try to easy_install anything it complains of a VersionConflict
[20:11] <donspaulding> pkg_resources.VersionConflict: (setuptools 0.6a0 (/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6a0-py2.5.egg), Requirement.parse('setuptools==0.6c8'))
[20:21] <bbb> hi, everyone, i just install hardy alpha 6and i have a problem
[20:22] <vistakiller> what prob?
[20:23] <bbb> the netconfig tool doesn't work
[20:23] <bbb> i use ifconfig but when i reboot the config dissapear
[20:26] <bbb> and sudo doesn't work
[20:27] <IcemanV9> man, what's up with scrollkeeper-update?! it took over CPU to itself! sheesh!
[20:32] <pax``> !pulseaudio
[20:32] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[20:34] <soto> Can anyone troubleshoot this error on upgrade to Hardy (dist-upgrade): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/testrb', which is also in package libtest-unit-ruby
[20:34] <soto> In package ruby_4.1_all.deb
[20:36] <bbb> sudo: unable to resolve host xxxx?
[20:42] <danage> my atheros wifi does not work on kernel -12, can anybody help? it associates with the ap, but gets no ip. could it be wpa-supplicant? i use network manager
[20:43] <jimmygoon> how does pulseaudio affect alsa?
[20:46] <IcemanV9> bbb: you're not connected to the Internet, aren't u?
[20:49] <_dan_> hello, nvidia driver seems to be not working with -12 kernel, modprobe reports error running install command for nvidia, is there a workaround available?
[20:51] <vistakiller> dan what card you have?
[20:53] <AncientRelic> I updated my laptop to Hardy from Gutsy, and just about everything works. However, the sound quality went to heck. Any ideas?
[20:53] <_dan_> vistakiller geforce 6
[20:53] <_dan_> GO version in laptop, works fine wiht -11 kernel
[20:54] <vistakiller> i dont know but i install them with envyng
[20:54] <vistakiller> the driver manager is not working correct in kubuntu
[20:54] <_dan_> yeah i wanted to avoid envy
[20:54] <_dan_> booting -11 kernel atm
[20:54] <vistakiller> me to dan but i cant do anything
[20:54] <_dan_> tried reinstalling restriced modules and nvidia-glx no effect
[20:55] <vistakiller> i have install restricted modules before update
[20:55] <vistakiller> and driver manager can see my card
[20:55] <vistakiller> after the update nothing again :P
[20:55] <_dan_> btw funny thing  your nick is vistakiller      vista killed my desktop pc lately due to faulty flsh of bios ;)
[20:55] <vistakiller> :)
[20:55] <anonymous111> Hi. I'm currently running Gutsy, and would like to try KDE4. I installed it manually, but didn't like the mixture of desktops (i.e. the menu still contained all the gnome configuration items and other gnome-related items). Is it possible  to install the development version of Kubuntu alongside my Gutsy installation (i.e. hardy's kubuntu-desktop package)? Do I just switch to Hardy's repos in my sources.list and install kubuntu-desktop?
[20:56] <vistakiller> i have and strange problem in kubuntu when i run compiz-fusion
[20:56] <vistakiller> some programmes looks confused
[20:56] <bbb> sudo doesn't work and i have to config the net in every reboot
[20:57] <vistakiller> take a look here
[20:57] <thegve> hello... I am following the rescue steps for the libc problem. It is mentioned that it is normal that there are 'some errors' . Is this one meant?   *** glibc detected *** dpkg: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0xb7e33ed0 ***
[20:57] <vistakiller> http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adeptti9.png
[20:57] <thegve> Because I have the idea dpkg did not really do anything
[20:59] <AncientRelic> anyone have any idea how to fix sound issues?
[20:59] <thegve> Currently running the breezy live cd :) Nice to see the old breezy again :)
[21:00] <Lunks> Where does "Clock" gets its weather info?
[21:00] <Lunks> It looks inaccurate.
[21:02] <AncientRelic> you set the info yourself
[21:02] <AncientRelic> I just set mine to my hometown and its reasonably accurate
[21:04] <bbb> net config problem
[21:08] <thegve> I just extracted the deb file using dpkg -x and copied some files over to my hardy root, fingers crossed, brb hopefully :)
[21:09] <danage> my atheros wifi does not work on kernel -12, can anybody help? it associates with the ap, but gets no ip. could it be wpa-supplicant? i use network manager
[21:12] <lamalex> has anyone had a problem loading the livecd where X just continuously restarts?
[21:16] <julian_> hello
[21:17] <julian_> hey does any one know why hardy heron uses the kernel 2.6.24.12 instead of the new stable 2.6.24.3 kernel
[21:17] <lamalex> julian_: the -12 on the end is an ubuntu added extension
[21:17] <lamalex> it's the 12th version released for hardy
[21:18] <lamalex> everytime the kernel is updated in hardy that number gets bumped
[21:18] <julian_> ok i thought so because it was a - instead of a .
[21:18] <lamalex> right
[21:19] <julian_> ok so i cant really compare that to the generic ones out their i assume its probably the most up to date one out their
[21:19] <lamalex> -12 is the current kernel
[21:19] <julian_> well thanks i was curious abotthat lamex
[21:19] <julian_> *lamalex
[21:19] <lamalex> np
[21:21] <julian_> i was curious also i am doing computer science as a major and i have become very interested int he development of linux but just recently started using it and dont know much. but where can i learn more about it because eventually i want to work up to try to do some development.
[21:22] <julian_> when it comes down to doing development work for linux what kind of work are they looking for.  and what do i need to learn to do
[21:23] <pwnguin> step 1 in learning how to program linux: don't drop irc connections after 10 seconds
[21:23] <gag72> i have just installed hardy heron of the cd to hd: all went well on reboot i could not access the cdrom from witch i installled?
[21:24] <julian_> sorry i got disconnected
[21:24] <cwillu> wouldn't that be step 0?
[21:24] <pwnguin> probably
[21:25] <cwillu> (in learning to program linux)
[21:25] <pwnguin> only if you count from 0 like stupid c coders
[21:25] <cwillu> (for those who weren't here) :p
[21:25] <cwillu> pwnguin, I meant in the sense of prerequisite, not in the zero based counter
[21:25] <cwillu> but zero based counters are far more natural for most things, and don't you dare call me a c coder :p
[21:26] <julian_> hi so can any one explain to me what i need to learn about to become a developer for ubuntu? what kind of work can you do for ubuntu? i am new to linux but i am very interested. i am majoring in compsci so i know  a lot but i am just learning this
[21:27] <pwnguin> one time in an office, the electrical and mechanical engineers made perfectly fine coffee, but the software engineer's was always bitter
[21:27] <ethana2> julian_: what's your programming language of choice?
[21:27] <pwnguin> they confronted him about this. his defense? "i always follow the directions! it says add two cups. see? zero, one, two!"
[21:28] <cwillu> pwnguin:  http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD831.html
[21:28] <cwillu> be enlightened :p
[21:28] <julian_> right now i am working on java stuff but i like C++
[21:28] <ethana2> julian_: What's your desktop environment of choice?
[21:28] <ethana2> ...or do you prefer the CLI?
[21:28] <pwnguin> cwillu: i disagree with the premise that there are only 4 options
[21:29] <pwnguin> cwillu: how about "from x = 2 to 12 do"
[21:29] <julian_> ethana2: what do you mean desktop environment do you mean what os i use?  that is ubuntu
[21:29] <cwillu> how is that a different option?
[21:29] <cwillu> did you even read the first line? :p
[21:29] <ethana2> julian: that'd be gnome
[21:29] <julian_> oh yea
[21:29] <julian_> lol
[21:30] <ethana2> julian_: do you know how to use gtk and gnome libraries with C++?
[21:30] <cwillu> not instilling much confidence in your option julian_ :)
[21:30] <julian_> ethana2: well i also know c++ java, haskel, c,
[21:30] <soto> What does "No GRUB directory found" signify when trying to install the -12 kernel during an upgrade to Hardy?
[21:30] <ethana2> Julian_: fine, fine..  but have you combined any of them in practice with gtk and gnomelibs?
[21:31] <cwillu> julian_, the gtk libs are c libraries
[21:31] <julian_> cwillu, ethana2: i have never done any development in gnome yet.
[21:31] <ethana2> cwillu: they have bindings for everything though, right?
[21:31] <cwillu> glade a is prefererd manner of doing gui layouts though, there's support for it
[21:31] <pwnguin> julian_: what interests you? how a distribution is made? fixing bugs? writing entirely new applications?
[21:31] <julian_> ok so i can install that and use that t develope
[21:32] <cwillu> ethana2, everything in the world can use a c libraries, but most mainstream languages have good bindings
[21:32] <ethana2> anjuta
[21:32] <ethana2> cwillu: ok, that's what i thought
[21:33] <julian_> ethana2, cwillu: um right now to get started fixing bugs to get used to things and then when school ends i will work my way up to some applications some of me and my friends want to develope.
[21:33] <pwnguin> julian_: i'd recommend fixing bugs as a first step into linux programming. it's a lot of code reading, a bit of thinking, and a small bit of new code writing. precisely the hirearchy needed for someone new. it seems you agree ;)
[21:33] <cwillu> julian_, apt-get source <package> will load up the source to make a package from anything in the repository
[21:33] <thegve> whiehoo, my hardy machine just started to live again :)
[21:34] <julian_> yea thats the way i have learned all my languages problem solving then build bigger projects with less direction
[21:34] <ethana2> cwillu: where does it put the source?
[21:34] <cwillu> current folder
[21:34] <ethana2> oh.
[21:34] <ethana2> drat
[21:34] <cwillu> julian_, it's not ideal for anything really involved, but for just poking around its great
[21:34] <ethana2> i get so disorganized doing stuff like that
[21:34] <julian_> cool i am loading that right now
[21:34] <cwillu> julian_, do yourself a favour, and investigate git :)
[21:35] <ethana2> how do git and bzr differ?
[21:35] <julian_> ok what is git
[21:35] <cwillu> distributed version control system
[21:35] <pwnguin> ethana2: git is fast, bzr is older
[21:35] <ethana2> ohhh
[21:35] <ethana2> ok
[21:35] <cwillu> it's like cvs or svn, except not fundamentally broken (which actually makes things simpler by far)
[21:35] <pwnguin> bzr is also what canonical is pushing
[21:35] <julian_> where do i find assignments on bugs needing to be solved
[21:35] <ethana2> pwnguin: that's what confused me
[21:36] <ethana2> julian_: launchpad, perhaps
[21:36] <julian_> ok thats great
[21:36] <heanol> i prefer mercurial
[21:36] <julian_> okay i will make my self a launchpad
[21:36] <ethana2> julian_: yes.  judging by the channel you're in
[21:36] <ethana2> julian_: that's a very good idea anyway
[21:37] <julian_> i have done a lot of work with cvs so i think getting a grasp with git should be easy
[21:38] <soto> Uh
[21:38] <alesan> whith kernel will hardy provide?
[21:38] <ethana2> the latest at kernel freeze
[21:38] <alesan> and, will it have the tickless feature?
[21:38] <heanol> i come from a cvs background and found mercurial alot easier
[21:38] <ethana2> of course it will
[21:38] <ethana2> ...it does already, i think
[21:38] <ethana2> it has for some time
[21:38] <alesan> ethana2: not on my 64bit gutsy...
[21:39] <ethana2> 64bit?
[21:39] <alesan> yes
[21:39] <ethana2> that's more recent
[21:39] <ethana2> but it's there too
[21:39] <ethana2> dynticks first was made to work on i686 i think
[21:39] <ethana2> ...AMD64 took a while longer
[21:39] <julian_> okay i got most of it installed now i am going to set up my launchpad and i will see you all later. (:
[21:40] <soto> Did Gutsy have a /boot/grub directory?
[21:40] <alesan> ethana2: well... the two archs are now merged, so it's only a matter of configuration
[21:40] <ethana2> alesan: probably
[21:41] <ethana2> alesan: my first 64 bit cpu may be PPC
[21:42] <savvas> soto: yes
[21:43] <soto> savvas: Is there some reason it would get deleted in an upgrade to Hardy?
[21:43] <ethana2> soto: encrypted /?
[21:44] <alesan> ethana2: tickless in powerpc was added a bit later, I think in .24
[21:44] <soto> ethana2: No
[21:44] <ethana2> hmm
[21:44] <soto> ethana2: LVM
[21:44] <ethana2> soto: ..hmm... yeah, i don't know
[21:44] <alesan> ethana2: I think it's onlt in Powerpc, not ppc (which is 32only anyway)
[21:44] <soto> Any suggestions on what I should do?
[21:44] <alesan> I don't know which one is used in ubuntu...
[21:44] <ethana2> alesan: CBE in the PS3
[21:45] <alesan> CBE?
[21:45] <ethana2> alesan: whether i buy a ps3 depends directly on the success of the ubuntu port
[21:45] <ethana2> Cell Broadband Engine
[21:45] <ethana2> alesan: never bought a console game in my life, never will
[21:46] <alesan> yes I know the CELL... mh is the General Purpose Unit in the PS3 version 64bit or not?
[21:46] <ethana2> alesan: it's 64bit
[21:46] <ethana2> no wait what?
[21:46] <ethana2> the CPU is one 64bit Power core with 6 usable SPU's
[21:46] <alesan> ah ok
[21:46] <secretlondon> my last console was an atari 2600 ;)
[21:46] <ethana2> 32 bit, ppc isa subset, but heavier on vector instructions and such
[21:47]  * pwnguin ran linux on his wii last night
[21:47] <alesan> a somewhat reduced version of the CELL
[21:47] <ethana2> pwnguin: *hi five*
[21:47] <soto> Is there some way to view if grub is installed on my MBR?
[21:47] <ethana2> soto: does the MBR have anywhere near enough room for full blown GRUB?
[21:48] <ethana2> I didn't think it did...  is it fixed size?
[21:48] <pwnguin> it's rather simple, but the drivers aren't quite there for most purposes. can't use a usb keyboard or anything
[21:48] <ethana2> pwnguin: i'd expect that to all be fixed soon.  What distro?
[21:48] <alesan> what is the current kernel version in hardy as of now?
[21:48] <ethana2> 2.6.24.8-12?
[21:48] <pwnguin> ethana2: i wouldn
[21:48] <ethana2> hold on, i'll check
[21:48] <pwnguin> t
[21:48] <pwnguin> ethana2: gc-linux
[21:48] <soto> ethana2: I'm not sure. Whatever grub installs on the MBR, the stub loader or whatever. I need to check if my bootloader is sane before I try to reboot.
[21:48] <ethana2> oh, it just says 2.6.24-12
[21:49] <alesan> ok
[21:49] <smallfoot-> strange day, no updates
[21:50] <jdh6403> hello folks
[21:50] <ethana2> jdh: hello, person
[21:50] <Exilant> huh, none?
[21:50] <jdh6403> just installed hardy  running updates now
[21:50] <alesan> bye, thank you
[21:50] <ethana2> alesan: bye
[21:50] <Exilant> i thought it were the usual number
[21:50] <ethana2> sudo apt-get update
[21:50] <Lunks> Do I have to expect this part of Ubuntu's development (one to release) lots and lots of kernel updates? =P
[21:51] <ethana2> update-manager isn't the best on up-to-the-minute type stuff
[21:51] <Lunks> one month*
[21:51] <jdh6403> rgr
[21:51] <ethana2> Lunks: kinda...
[21:51] <jdh6403> ill run it next
[21:51] <slipttees> jdh6403: welcome
[21:51] <slipttees> :D
[21:51] <jdh6403> ty slipttees
[21:51] <pwnguin> Lunks: they dont release kernel updates all that often, in my opinion
[21:51] <jdh6403> is compiz working?
[21:51] <jdh6403> thats my next thing to get
[21:52] <ethana2> jdh: i think so
[21:52] <Lunks> I make some changes to a module, so I kinda have to compile the kernel myself
[21:52] <ethana2> jdh: i'm running both instances of X on one gpu
[21:52] <cwillu> Lunks, module?
[21:52] <ethana2> jdh: so i don't have working 3d right now
[21:52] <cwillu> no you don't, you can just build the module
[21:52] <jdh6403> ok
[21:52] <slipttees> hey, WavePlus WP1200 wireless work in hardy ?
[21:52] <cwillu> download the kernel headers and compile the module against that
[21:52] <Lunks> cwillu: with make drivers/net...?
[21:52] <jdh6403> well i am running hardy 64 bit   so am i gonna have flash probs?
[21:52] <_dan_> flesh is fine aslong as u dont use latest version
[21:52] <_dan_> flash
[21:53] <_dan_> :)
[21:53] <jdh6403> ok
[21:53] <Lunks> cwillu: how can I do it? it's bcm43xx module, which I patch.
[21:53] <jdh6403> someone might need to point me to a backport later then
[21:53] <Lunks> cwillu: So it's inside the kernel
[21:53] <cwillu> Lunks, sure you need it?  b43 is the standard module now
[21:53] <Lunks> cwillu: I know, I just do it. ;P
[21:53] <slipttees> WavePlus WP1200 wireless pci-card work in hardy  ?
[21:53] <cwillu> and a module isn't compiled into the kernel (or at least, the bcm43xx isn't)
[21:53] <cwillu> Lunks, google :p
[21:54] <cwillu> !wireless
[21:54] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[21:54] <Lunks> cwillu: But I'm interested learning how to compile a single module against kernel headers
[21:54] <cwillu> there's a list there of what cards are known to work
[21:54] <cwillu> Lunks, ... google will answer faster than I will
[21:54] <Lunks> I've tried. ;P
[21:55] <Lunks> someone told me I just have to go on the kernel source and make <module_dir>
[21:55] <slipttees> cwillu: man, waveplus wireless pci card work ?
[21:55] <Lunks> But didn't know about compiling against kernel headers.
[21:55] <slipttees> WP1200
[21:56] <soneil> Is there any way to stop ff3 from trying to use NetworkManager?  I don't use NM, so firefox always starts offline
[21:56] <jdh6403> so what do i need to know about hardy...thats different from 7.10
[21:56] <jdh6403> do i need to go hunt for codecs?
[21:56] <cwillu> see the 'changed in hardy' page?
[21:56] <jdh6403> link?
[21:57] <Lunks> cwillu: I don't get it, as Makefile on module is completely different from the model
[21:57] <Lunks> I mean, no KDIR at all. :P
[21:58] <cwillu> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha6
[21:58] <matjan> hi, my hardy install is not able to generate thumbnails for avi files... is there a way to solve this?
[22:00] <Exilant> hm, never seen that, i sthat supposed to work in kde?
[22:00] <strabes> How do I make this command run on lid close? sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force
[22:03] <cwillu> strabes, I think /etc/acpi/lid/sh
[22:03] <cwillu> lid.sh rather
[22:04] <slipttees> /etc/iftab
[22:04] <strabes> cwillu: Thanks. I know about that file, but I am not too skilled in bash programming. Where in the file should I put it?
[22:04] <cwillu> /etc/acpi/local/lid.sh.pre is referenced actually, try making _that_ folder and file, and just dump your command into it
[22:09] <annoia> Which package provides /etc/bash_completion?
[22:11] <aldaek> is this the development version channel?
[22:11] <ethana2> yes
[22:11] <Belboz99> Hey all
[22:12] <ethana2> anyone know how i switch the menu key from <alt>F1 to <super>?
[22:12] <Belboz99> I have a /dev/nvidia0 when I took out the nvidia card over a month ago
[22:12] <ethana2> gconf-editor isn't working
[22:12] <ethana2> Belboz99: might you ever put it back in?
[22:12] <Belboz99> and I have no /dev/ati0 even though I've got the fglrx module loaded
[22:12] <ethana2> oh
[22:12] <aldaek> if you switch the repositories you are using to the development version and when they change from 8.04 alphas to 8.10 alphas.. does it auto-upgrade or do you have to tell it to upgrade each time?
[22:12] <ethana2> aldaek: hardy will still be hardy
[22:13] <ethana2> ..i think...
[22:13] <aldaek> so its not like debian's development version, they just have a it continue to update rather than forcing a repos change?
[22:13] <ethana2> right
[22:14] <ethana2> debian sid is the perpetual bleeding edge
[22:14] <Belboz99> aldaek: if you change your /etc/apt/sources.list to hardy, you will stay with hardy
[22:14] <ethana2> hardy is stabilizing now
[22:14] <aldaek> oh, ok. guess i should be on debian for that availability
[22:14] <annoia> Come on, how do I get autocompletion on everything? It's horrible without it!
[22:14] <ethana2> annoia: what?
[22:14] <aldaek> thanks
[22:14] <Belboz99> so, how do I get rid of /dev/nvidia0?
[22:14] <ethana2> oh i see, bash completion
[22:14] <annoia> ethana2 - /etc/bash_completion is missing from my install, so I can't get autocompletion on apt-get and so on.
[22:14] <annoia> Yes
[22:14] <ethana2> isn't that like...  a different shell?
[22:15] <Belboz99> I've tried rmmod nvidia, but it says nvidia doesn't exist
[22:15] <ethana2> i don't have it
[22:15] <ethana2> zsh or something?
[22:15] <Lunks> annoia: i've got the same issue
[22:15] <ethana2> i don't mind; i love to type
[22:15] <ethana2> what bugs me is that i have to apply pressure to push these keys down
[22:15] <annoia> I don't love to type apt-cache search flaf, when I can just hit tab in apt-get install...
[22:16] <ethana2> i'd rather just tap them lightly and have them register
[22:16] <Lunks> annoia: yeah =P
[22:16] <ethana2> i just use the up arrow
[22:17] <soto> Who in here was having trouble with their NVidia Go graphics card?
[22:17] <Belboz99> soto: that's me
[22:18] <annoia> Also, apt-file doesn't work :(
[22:18] <Belboz99> opps, that's not nvidia go, it's just nvidia and ati
[22:19] <soto> Belboz99: It's an Nvidia laptop card?
[22:20] <Belboz99> sorry soto, I've got an ATI card that isn't loading because /dev/nvidia0 still exists, or so I figure
[22:20] <Belboz99> I think I might have jumped the gun on your question earlier :-P
[22:23] <soto> Does anyone know where I can set the screen resolution in a text file?
[22:25] <pwnguin> soto: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[22:25] <soto> pwnguin: Does that list potential resolutions or does it actually select the settings?
[22:26] <soto> Every single upgrade my resolution gets screwed up.
[22:27] <soto> Or failing that, what is the name of the gnome executable that selects resolution?
[22:30] <heanol> annoia: apt-get install bash-completion
[22:30] <heanol> i've noticed in hardy it doesn't come pre-installed anymore
[22:30] <annoia> heanol - Oh... Great! Thanks!
[22:30] <annoia> lunks - Over to you too! :)
[22:33] <pwnguin> soto: that should set the configuration as you desire. it's not always easy, but it certainly does more than list things
[22:40] <x-ip> hi
[22:40] <x-ip> its awsome Hardy Heron ... good work =)
[22:40] <mcquaid> i want to make sure i'm reading the releases right, regarding fglrx is that the latest version already in hardy? version 8.3
[22:41] <mcquaid> i was hoping they'd make it in but thought the freeze already occurred.
[22:41] <Black_Magic> Ok this is getting annoying
[22:41] <Black_Magic> i had internet for like 24hrs
[22:41] <x-ip> ou ... i'd the freeze problem with the ati card too
[22:41] <Black_Magic> then i needed to reboot..
[22:41] <Black_Magic> and guess what i cannot connect anymore well WICD says im connected
[22:41] <Black_Magic> but i cannot ping any kind of IP or use Firefox Opera Frostwire or anything else that depends on internet..
[22:42] <smo__> hi
[22:42] <Black_Magic> its the same AP
[22:42] <Black_Magic> Same exact spot i was before reboot and cant connect..
[22:42] <smo__> how do we chnage driver for command line now on hardy?
[22:42] <smo__> no Driver entry in xorg.conf
[22:42] <x-ip> Black_Magic: you see something unusual at dmesg or logs ?
[22:43] <Black_Magic> Well atm i had to switch to my kinda backup OS
[22:43] <Black_Magic> to get to the internet only computer
[22:43] <Black_Magic> well i have another but all its good for is to connect to a router..
[22:43] <Black_Magic> is there a way to get those logs from here i can access ubuntu Partion
[22:43] <smo__> no link on how worg work in hard now? i dont understand
[22:43] <smo__> work*
[22:43] <x-ip> smo__: have you tryed to boot in safe mode ?
[22:44] <smo__> i can boot no problems
[22:44] <smo__> but i builded the ati driver
[22:44] <smo__> dkms ok build ok
[22:44] <Black_Magic> then it should be called
[22:44] <Black_Magic> fglrx
[22:44] <smo__> but in xorg.conf?
[22:44] <Black_Magic> in xorg.conf
[22:44] <x-ip> smo__: you installed propietary drivers right ?
[22:44] <smo__> no Driver line in it
[22:44] <smo__> yep
[22:45] <Black_Magic> try booting into Terminal thing and it should stop and ask to continue or fixxserver something like that
[22:45] <x-ip> smo__: so ... you have an utility called aticonfig
[22:45] <smo__> just search to understand how xorg/xorg.conf work now on hardy
[22:45] <x-ip> smo__: hmm ... i understand what you mean
[22:45] <smo__> :)
[22:45] <x-ip> i checked the xorg.conf and its 'modularized'
[22:46] <Black_Magic> Ok i found dmseg in /var/log pasting it in a few seconds
[22:46] <smo__> in just ask where do he store others informations we had before in gutsy
[22:46] <smo__> ...
[22:46] <smo__> in the xorg.conf
[22:46] <x-ip> well .. smo__ have you tried something like ... aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[22:46] <x-ip> ok Black_Magic
[22:46] <smo__> i know all of this no problem
[22:46] <x-ip> smo__: where is the other information ? i want to know that too
[22:46] <x-ip> =)
[22:47] <smo__> i can fixe my problem just i dont understand why i have to add it by myself... supposed to be easier no?
[22:47] <smo__> eheh
[22:47] <smo__> like  a big mystery for me now...
[22:47] <Black_Magic> x-ip,http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59751/
[22:47] <Black_Magic> Ill look too
[22:47] <x-ip> smo__: maybe in the final release it'll be automatic
[22:47] <smo__> strange...
[22:47] <x-ip> ok Black_Magic ... checking ...
[22:47] <Black_Magic> if i log out unexpectibly its because of this OS
[22:48] <smo__> but boot right from my usb stick :)
[22:48] <smo__> nice
[22:51] <x-ip> Black_Magic: so you have an atheros card ...  wifi0: Atheros 5424/2424 ...
[22:51] <x-ip> and using ndiswrapper
[22:52] <Black_Magic> im not using ndiswrapper
[22:52] <Dean-> hi. i cant seem to connect to my wifi access point in gnome. its using WEP, im putting in the correct passphrase but no joy. does anyone know how to get a more detailed error diagnosis, or alt the cli command to do this?
[22:52] <Black_Magic> i have an extra USB Card
[22:52] <Black_Magic> thats what ndiswrapper is for
[22:52] <Black_Magic> my atheros card is supported by default
[22:52] <Black_Magic> well the drivers are there automaticly in most Linux installs and live cds
[22:53] <x-ip> great ... so the problem is you cant connect again to the same ap with your atheros card ?
[22:54] <Black_Magic> I was connected yesturday for all day untill i chose to reboot..
[22:54] <Black_Magic> then not connected
[22:54] <Black_Magic> its like it only connects when it wants to..
[22:54] <Black_Magic> it was 2-3 weeks since ive connected before that instance..
[22:54] <x-ip> Dean-: if you watch dmesg while you try to connect ... it'll bring important information
[22:55] <Black_Magic> i think it has something to do with encryption..
[22:55] <Black_Magic> well i have 2 APs comming out of my house
[22:55] <Black_Magic> One WEP and the other unsecured
[22:55] <RAOF> Heh.  So two unsecured APs ;)
[22:55] <x-ip> yep
[22:55] <Black_Magic> if i just set Wicd to auto connect to  the unsecured "somtimes" itl connect and i can use it
[22:55] <x-ip> so Black_Magic ... how could i help you ?
[22:55] <Black_Magic> lol yea if i really wanted security
[22:56] <Black_Magic> id get WPA2 with RAID or something else forget..
[22:56] <Black_Magic> Well i just need to be able to use wireless..
[22:56] <x-ip> ok ...
[22:56] <Dean-> hi. i cant seem to connect to my wifi access point in gnome. its using WEP, im putting in the correct passphrase but no joy. does anyone know how to get a more detailed error diagnosis, or alt the cli command to do this?
[22:56] <x-ip> Black_Magic: you usually use the terminal ?
[22:56] <Black_Magic> x-ip, dont understand what you mean...?
[22:57] <x-ip> Dean-: i said you ... please read before ...
[22:57] <Dean-> x-ip: apologies.i missed your message
[22:57] <x-ip> Black_Magic: to try to fix you problem ... we'll need to use a terminal
[22:57] <Black_Magic> i have one
[22:57] <Black_Magic> im in Backtrack..
[22:57] <x-ip> perfect ... :)
[22:58] <x-ip> ifconfig -a ... shows your atheros card ?
[22:58] <x-ip> the one that not connect
[22:58] <Black_Magic> as you can understand its hard having one OS that your dependant on because you removed windos and Ubuntu is my main OS and without internet im basicly duped...
[22:58] <x-ip> ou ... sorry, you said that it connects to the ap but cant navigate ...
[22:58] <Black_Magic> It shows Ath0
[22:58] <Black_Magic> ath0
[22:59] <Black_Magic> eth0, lo and wifi0
[22:59] <x-ip> perfect ...
[22:59] <x-ip> ifconfig wifi0 essid your_ap_essid key your_wep_ap_key
[22:59] <Black_Magic> ok....
[22:59] <x-ip> could you please do that ?
[22:59] <Black_Magic> well im connected to my AP right now..
[23:00] <x-ip> sorry the command is iwconfig
[23:00] <x-ip> perfect
[23:00] <x-ip> now ... can you ping some ip ?
[23:00] <Black_Magic> yea...
[23:00] <x-ip> being connected you your ap ?
[23:00] <x-ip> perfect
[23:00] <x-ip> dns resolution works ?
[23:00] <x-ip> ping google.com ?
[23:00] <Black_Magic> in ubuntu if i try and ping
[23:00] <Black_Magic> it says
[23:00] <Black_Magic> operation not permitted
[23:00] <x-ip> well ... thats right
[23:01] <Black_Magic> uh...
[23:01] <x-ip> at ubuntu you need to do that with administrative privileges
[23:01] <Black_Magic> ill brb hopefully
[23:01] <Black_Magic> i tried
[23:01] <Black_Magic> didnt work
[23:01] <Black_Magic> brb
[23:09] <Exilant> ping shouldn't need admin privileges
[23:10] <Dean-> x-ip: not sure if you can help. in dmesg the error shown is 'ASSECONF(NETDEV_UP): ath0: link is not ready'
[23:12] <x-ip> Dean-: maybe ... as my knowledge let me i'll try to help you
[23:13] <x-ip> Dean-: go to a terminal ... get root and ... ifconfig ath0 down
[23:13] <x-ip> ifconfig ath0 up
[23:13] <x-ip> then look up dmesg again ... i'll have to get some errors
[23:14] <Dean-> x-ip: same error
[23:15] <Exilant> does iwconfig say sth. about being not associated?
[23:17] <x-ip> Dean-: ok ... it has to give more errors that only this line
[23:18] <x-ip> could  you please pastebin the lines that correspond to ath0 errors ?
[23:18] <Dean-> no net access on the laptop :(. but i can type them?
[23:21] <Dean-> x-ip: nevermind. ive decided to give up for today. go relax. thanks for the help
[23:25] <soto> I don't see a 'hardware drivers' selection in the administration menu. Where is it?
[23:35] <Black_Magic> Im back
[23:35] <Black_Magic> sorry KDE Crashed and X was going..
[23:37] <savvas> mm no more updates :)
[23:38] <savvas> that's nice for a change :P
[23:39] <Black_Magic> ...
[23:39] <Black_Magic> Ok who every was helping me please continue
[23:44] <danage> does anybody know how to fix my atheros wifi with -12 kernel? it broke... is it wpa? my ath0 doesn't get ip address from dhcp
[23:44] <savvas> file a bug :)
[23:45] <danage> haha there is probably one already
[23:45] <danage> dont know which package its in
[23:45] <savvas> well um..
[23:45] <savvas> try #ubuntu-bugs - they know this stuff much better
[23:46] <danage> thanks
[23:52] <soneil> where would I look for logs/cores for crashes?  dumped a lot of noise on the terminal, but I can't find anything matching in /var/log/
[23:56] <giorgos> hi
[23:56] <giorgos> can anyone help with ypdate problem?
[23:57] <giorgos> i update and the system crashes