[02:11] <catfacts> ok, is there anyone here who would be willing to help design a logo
[02:12] <_MMA_> catfacts: Best to hit the ML.
[02:12] <catfacts> ML?
[02:12] <_MMA_> mailing list
[02:12] <catfacts> ah
[02:14] <catfacts> anyone willing to step up now?
[02:14] <catfacts> ok to the mailing lists then
[02:17] <catfacts> where exactally are the mailing lists? i dont see it on the wiki
[13:09] <thorwil> _MMA_: thanks for the flowers! :)
[13:12] <_MMA_> :P
[13:21] <_MMA_> Why does everything I read say that for serious audio/video gstreamer sux? So funny.
[13:24] <thorwil> no reasons given?
[13:25] <thorwil> i don't know how succesful jokosher is
[13:27] <_MMA_> Well my latest example is looking for a music player with a EQ. Audacious looks to be the best. Its sounds like I expect. I really like Exaile but some just sounds, different. And it uses gstreamer.
[13:27] <_MMA_> But to answer, Jokosher if fine for quick and easy.
[13:29] <thorwil> fun. my audio projects are long and complicated ^^
[14:06] <_MMA_> Holy Shit! Why the hell is this not in the repos?!http://www.les-stooges.org/pascal/pencil/index.php
[14:07]  * _MMA_ wishes he knew before. I would have got it in. :(
[14:13] <MadsRH> Hi. How about adding a Ubuntu throbber for Nautilus
[14:14] <_MMA_> MadsRH: I tried. Ken said no. :) Wasn't much response to my post about the tool I made to do it either.
[14:15] <MadsRH> Ken? Sad, because I think it would be very nice
[14:17] <_MMA_> MadsRH: Sure. The one I did just might not have been suitable. Not that the idea wasn't good.
[14:17] <kavoor> hi, would anyone help me out here .. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=724915
[14:17] <_MMA_> So, I threw one in Ubuntu Studio and thats enought for me. ;)
[14:18] <MadsRH> Found this on http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Human+throbber+for+Nautilus++?content=67103
[14:18] <_MMA_> kavoor: I'm not sure, and that's gross. Just grab a Mac theme from GNOME-Look.
[14:19] <_MMA_> MadsRH: Thats a bit too in-your-face IMO.
[14:19] <kavoor> _MMA_: that would change the window looks also .. I want only the scrollbars
[14:21] <_MMA_> MadsRH: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2007-November/004492.html
[14:24] <MadsRH> I see what you mean. The one i suggested almost look like a clickeable icon, your is by far better.
[14:26] <_MMA_> Just parts of it fade in while thinking.
[14:27] <MadsRH> yes, it's very cool. Do you know the reson that Ken would not accept it?
[14:32] <kavoor> any idea ???? :(
[14:34] <MadsRH> Does anyone know if there will be a new boot screen for Hardy or is it still this one http://topi.xdt.hu/images/ubuntu_boot2.jpg
[14:34] <_MMA_> MadsRH: It hasnt changed.
[14:35] <_MMA_> Only the wallpaper and a slight GDM tweak is all.
[14:35] <_MMA_> Intrepid is where you'll see more change.
[14:38] <MadsRH> Yes that I've seen. It looks really really great - shame about boot screen though
[14:38] <andreasn> if anyone runs across a good generic throbber, please let me know
[14:38] <andreasn> we need one for gnome that's not a foot...
[14:38] <andreasn> it's too branded right now
[14:39] <_MMA_> andreasn: Like?
[14:39] <_MMA_> The swirling dots or bars thing maybe?
[14:39] <andreasn> more like the one in firefox, or the one on the mac
[14:39] <andreasn> just something simple and straight forward
[14:39] <andreasn> nothing fancy really
[14:40] <_MMA_> andreasn: Ill work on something now.
[14:40] <andreasn> cool!
[14:42] <andreasn> perhaps I can nick the one they use on fedora
[14:42] <_MMA_> What's that one look like?
[14:44] <andreasn> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=05f8a.png <- in the bottom, right corner
[14:45] <_MMA_> Ahh... That one. I wonder what it looks like in a resting state.
[14:45] <andreasn> hm, good question
[14:46] <_MMA_> Well, doesn't really *need* to show does it?
[14:46] <_MMA_> Could just pop up when working.
[14:47] <andreasn> yeah, agreed
[14:48] <andreasn> _MMA_: so, how are thing otherwise? things going well with Ubuntu Studio?
[14:50] <_MMA_> andreasn: Yep. Everything is in shape. We just gotta keep testing and make sure things stay in shape.
[14:50] <andreasn> saw some boot graphics you did a couple of days ago, looked really nice
[14:51] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialHardy
[15:01] <andreasn> yeah, that's the one
[15:21] <troy_s> _MMA_: Great find on Pencil!
[15:23] <_MMA_> troy_s: I know! Don't you feel like an ass for not knowing?!
[15:23] <_MMA_> How could I have missed that. :)
[15:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: That's the beauty of FOSS.
[15:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: Things pop up.
[15:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: If you hadn't of found it, I doubt I would have seen it.
[15:23] <_MMA_> :P
[15:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: Looks like it has some very nice little sketching ability too.
[15:24] <_MMA_> Its sick with a pad. You gotta try it.
[15:24] <troy_s> _MMA_: Hrm... really?
[15:25] <troy_s> _MMA_: Busy weekend.  My newer SLR body showed up and I have a shoot to do with it -- back to menu learning.  Ugh.
[15:25] <_MMA_> Still, that cool.
[15:28] <_MMA_> troy_s: Anyway I think we're gonna try to get this into Debian for Intrepid. Sync, then backport for Hardy.
[15:29] <_MMA_> andreasn: I have the start of the throbber now. What email address do you prefer?
[15:30] <troy_s> _MMA_: While you are here...
[15:31] <troy_s> _MMA_: Do you have any knowledge of the m-audio Fast Track USB?
[15:31] <troy_s> _MMA_: I have it chatting with Jack in terms of recognition, but my friend couldn't get an audio signal into it.
[15:31] <_MMA_> troy_s: Nope. Ive seen mention on out ML. crimsun would be best to ask as to if at least supported.
[15:33] <troy_s> _MMA_: So in your knowledge, just having Jack see it doesn't mean it will work eh?
[15:33] <_MMA_> troy_s: SOmeone just sent me this as a possible for the DIY icon theme. http://members.shaw.ca/ericdhedekar/sound/Humanitarian.tar.bz2
[15:33] <_MMA_> troy_s: Do. You gotta make sure you have the firmware loaded for some cards. Like wifi cards.
[15:33] <_MMA_> s/DO/No
[15:34] <troy_s> _MMA_: Jesus.  I hate USB crap.
[15:34] <troy_s> _MMA_: I told the fool what card to buy (2496 M-Audio PCI) and he still got this thing... grr.
[15:34] <troy_s> _MMA_: Did you ever get that bloody phase magazine thing?
[15:35] <troy_s> _MMA_: I wanted to show you a poster spin I did in the Dose Productions style.
[15:35] <troy_s> _MMA_:  I _really_ think we could make it happen in little time and it is damn striking and damn hot lookin.
[15:35] <andreasn> _MMA_: andreas@andreasn.se
[15:36] <troy_s> _MMA_: Wow... some slick icons in that set from what I see so far.  Love the woman's face with the floral flourish.
[15:36] <troy_s> _MMA_: This is some guy's work!?!?!?!
[15:37] <troy_s> _MMA_: It is sooooo contemporary.
[15:38] <_MMA_> troy_s: Dont know. Just got it and haven't really dug into it yet. Does look cool though.
[15:38] <_MMA_> troy_s: PCI cards are the only way to go. Tell him to take it back.
[15:39] <_MMA_> troy_s: It might be a bit too stylized. I think some things like the drive icons should be more realistic.
[15:40] <troy_s> _MMA_: Well... all things said, it is damn stylized and rather cool.  One could argue about the execution on some fronts, etc...
[15:40] <_MMA_> And they look _really_ out of place against most upstreams icons in the menu.
[15:41] <troy_s> _MMA_: I'd say it could probably work with some interaction.  Hard to tell if he can actually do the design work.
[15:41] <_MMA_> Fun set though.
[15:41] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yeah well... that's going to always happen and who really cares in the end.
[15:41] <troy_s> _MMA_: That is a gongshow.
[15:41] <_MMA_> troy_s: I do as Ill get all the shit for it. :)
[15:42] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yeah but christ, if all we do is sheep after a rather uh... questionable set of decisions, who cares?
[15:42] <_MMA_> But yeah. Something to work with.
[15:42] <troy_s> _MMA_: It has a lot of directions it could go in.
[15:43] <_MMA_> Yep
[15:43] <troy_s> _MMA_: 48's seem pretty decent resolution etc.  You would obviously end up needing to kick that asstastic 22 pixel size out of the menus and use min 36 or something (which is what it should be anyways)
[15:44] <_MMA_> troy_s: Makes the menu alot bigger. And with the amount of things in the sound&video menu that will be an issue.
[15:45] <troy_s> _MMA_: It will make it bigger, but you also gain a little aesthetic.
[15:45] <troy_s> _MMA_: Maybe even a little more recognition for a new user.
[15:46] <troy_s> _MMA_: Are you still running Hardy?
[15:46] <_MMA_> It's all a balance. It will make the size of our sound&video huge. One thing we got alot of flac for and we fixed with our new menu system. Would be a kinda regression IMO.
[15:46] <_MMA_> Im on Hardy yes.
[15:46] <_MMA_> Not here. On the desktop.
[15:47] <troy_s> _MMA_: Is Hardy still using outlined controls or did it push away from that?
[15:47] <troy_s> _MMA_: I saw some chatter in here from Cimi about 'blah blah no outline equals ugly blah blah'
[15:48] <_MMA_> Im running Ubuntu Studio-Hardy.
[15:48] <_MMA_> So Im unsure.
[15:48] <_MMA_> Ken's gonna go back to Ubuntulooks.
[15:48] <troy_s> _MMA_: I wonder why.
[15:50] <_MMA_> The Murrine one isnt really looking better. Some quirks. So its gonna go back to Ubuntulooks and work on murrine for Intrepid.
[15:50] <_MMA_> kwwii: Chime in if you're lurking.
[15:50] <troy_s> _MMA_: Ok.  Go to Phase and get that magazine.
[15:51] <_MMA_> I looked through it already. I looked at what you told me to at the time.
[15:51] <troy_s> phase 3, page 18
[15:52] <_MMA_> troy_s: Actually, if you have the time for Intrepid, Xubuntu will be/is in need of dire help with their art.
[15:52] <troy_s> _MMA_: It is bloody brilliant stuff.
[15:53] <troy_s> _MMA_: It all comes down to the direction.  I have seen solicitations from Xubuntu, Kubuntu, etc.
[15:53] <_MMA_> You could come in and create the whole Xubuntu look if you wanted to. Anyone could actually. They're barely hanging on atm.
[15:53] <troy_s> _MMA_: Everyone seems to be wanting an identity away from that ass nasty curvey hell.
[15:54] <troy_s> _MMA_: My biggest problem, as you know, is to not want to let someone down by saying 'YEAH' and then getting bogged down on a show.
[15:54] <troy_s> _MMA_: I can't stand that idea.
[15:54] <_MMA_> Sure.
[15:54] <troy_s> _MMA_: Rather like how long it has taken me to do a remix on the Metalinker site.
[15:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: You have seen how cautious I am to say 'yeah' to your scenario, and yours is optimal.
[15:55] <_MMA_> Yep. It's why I just do whatever 'till you give me a pint of blood as proof of commitment. ;)
[15:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: When I say 'yeah I'm in' on a project, I am in.  Again though, the problem is that I couldn't stand the thought of saying that then boning you and becoming Huwesque.
[15:57] <troy_s> _MMA_: I _could_ drop out a series, but that sort of eliminates the revision procedure, and is probably sub-optimal.
[15:58] <_MMA_> Yeah. I'd have to send some knuckle-draggers your way to learn ya something if you pulled a Huw.
[15:58] <troy_s> _MMA_: Lol.
[15:58] <_MMA_> ;)
[15:58] <troy_s> _MMA_: Anyways, the show I said I was probably going to do went away, but now Akira is looking a very real possibility.
[15:59] <troy_s> _MMA_: Which is a rather large budget.
[15:59] <_MMA_> huh?
[15:59] <_MMA_> Liva action Akira?
[15:59] <_MMA_> *Live
[15:59] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yes.
[15:59] <_MMA_> killer
[15:59] <troy_s> _MMA_: Leonardo Di Caprio's company.  Rather big budget.
[16:00] <troy_s> _MMA_: It would be fun, especially because David might very well be the DP on it.
[16:00] <_MMA_> Sounds cool.
[16:01] <troy_s> _MMA_: _IF_ that happens, that means I can coast for a couple of months / several.
[16:01] <troy_s> _MMA_: And that means a good glut of time.
[16:02] <_MMA_> Cool. If that happens, I think of all the projects, Xubuntu needs the most help.
[16:02] <_MMA_> But they have alot of work to do.
[16:02] <_MMA_> Or whoever takes over actually. Will most likely be Cody.
[16:03] <troy_s> _MMA_: They might, but Studio is more in line with what I think is contemporary, and I know the guy who is running the show.  He is a little more progressive.
[16:03] <_MMA_> :P
[16:04] <_MMA_> Well Ill need to know from you in the next few months. Say, by May.
[16:04] <troy_s> _MMA_: Sure.  I am just reading a "Too visually busy" comment on the wiki.  It makes me laugh out loud.
[16:05] <_MMA_> Link?
[16:05] <troy_s> _MMA_: More supporters of the fcoc*ing status quo -- the bloody bland 'whip up a two minute curve on a gradient' bliss types.
[16:05] <troy_s> _MMA_: Of which, we have too many.
[16:05] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti
[16:06] <_MMA_> Meh. We all have our opinions. Sometimes I like flashy. Sometimes it a flat light-blue background ans Clearlooks.
[16:06] <_MMA_> s/ans/and
[16:07] <_MMA_> Oh that. Yeah. Hell. I could show you busy! :P
[16:07] <troy_s> _MMA_: Well that's just it... it is all rubbishy opinion that is not even barely mired in an implied audience.  It is such a problematic process that it is almost laughable.
[16:07] <_MMA_> I think its great thats shipping as default.
[16:08] <troy_s> _MMA_: Not to mention that for the first time I think in ... uh... ever... I can recall a _woman_ blogging about an Ubuntu wallpaper.
[16:08] <_MMA_> :)
[16:08] <_MMA_> Mark even likes it. ;)
[16:10] <troy_s> _MMA_: Which makes me think that perhaps something is wrong.  Pretty sure he will force some strange classicbuntuism into it.
[16:10] <_MMA_> I actually think this layout will eventually happen. To some degree. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Screenshot.png
[16:11] <_MMA_> troy_s: Naa.. Grab a Hardy daily. Besides the theme, things are pretty much set as they are.
[16:11]  * _MMA_ goes to grab daily.
[16:13] <troy_s> _MMA_: That's probably part of the problem really -- it would have been nice to have the ability to actually create the work as it _should_ be -- meaning no repeat of the image but some custom stylized little human swirls for the other regions.
[16:13] <troy_s> _MMA_: Hokey pokey we go.
[16:13] <troy_s> _MMA_: Even that however, it is still a _heavy_ step in at least the right direction.
[16:14] <troy_s> _MMA_: Ash's work is pretty amazing.
[16:14] <_MMA_> Ken did just that for the GDM I think. Has bits from the wallpaper but not the heron.
[16:15] <troy_s> _MMA_: The coolest element of Ash's work though is that he blobbed the swirls to make them little humans.  Quite clever.
[16:33] <troy_s> ok...
[16:34]  * troy_s nights.  (Actually mornings but a full turnaround in work schedule is nights now...)
[22:03] <MadsRH> Hi. Just wanted to say that I've just installed 8.04 Alpha and it looks great ;-)
[22:15] <troy_s> MadsRH: How long have you been using Ubuntu?
[22:16] <MadsRH> Not long. About 6 months I think.
[22:18] <MadsRH> Why do you ask?
[23:03] <troy_s> MadsRH: Just curious about your previous experience and how you feel about the current wall.
[23:03] <troy_s> MadsRH: How old are you?
[23:15] <MadsRH> 26 years
[23:17] <troy_s> MadsRH: Do you consider yourself a techy or more average?
[23:19] <MadsRH> average, I would say techy with Windows but all that knowleged is not worth anything here ;-)