[03:08] <IOU> does anyone find the 2.6.24-12 kernel slower than the 2.6.24-11 ?
[17:03] <soulc> anyone alive?
[19:44] <enarxe0> buenas
[19:44] <enarxe0> hi
[22:30] <tannewt> any ideas how I should integrate apple-like multitouch into X?
[23:00] <Amaranth> tannewt: already done
[23:12] <tannewt> Amaranth: you mean MPX?
[23:12] <Amaranth> yes
[23:13] <tannewt> Amaranth: it seems overly complex for what I'd like to do
[23:13] <Amaranth> that's kind of the point :)
[23:13] <tannewt> Amaranth: I dont need to worry about multiple points and multiple focii
[23:13] <Amaranth> it can do everything, it's up to the app creator (or library creator) to define what to do
[23:15] <tannewt> Amaranth: right, I'd rather integrate into normal X though so it works with everything now
[23:15] <Amaranth> err, it already does?
[23:16] <Amaranth> that was a key thing in the design
[23:16] <Amaranth> and if you're not worried about multiple points then you're not doing multitouch
[23:16] <tannewt> Amaranth: doesn't it require a different version of X?
[23:16] <Amaranth> no
[23:16] <Amaranth> it just requires one that hasn't been released yet
[23:16] <tannewt> Amaranth: right, I'm doing apple's version of multitouch
[23:17] <tannewt> Amaranth: when is it slated for release?
[23:17] <Amaranth> apple doesn't have their own version of multitouch...
[23:17] <Amaranth> they have some gestures defined
[23:17] <Amaranth> MPX probably won't be in a public Xorg release until the end of the year
[23:18] <tannewt> right, gestures dependent on multiple points, 1-11 supported
[23:18] <Amaranth> you just said you didn't need multiple points
[23:18] <Amaranth> but it's up to an application or library to define these gestures, X doesn't do policy
[23:20] <tannewt> Amaranth: right, I was thinking of writing a daemon/driver to do the gesture stuff and pass those events onto X
[23:20] <Amaranth> that'll never be accepted in Xorg
[23:21] <tannewt> Amaranth: doesn't need to be
[23:21] <tannewt> Amaranth: it can be separate
[23:21] <Amaranth> good luck then
[23:21] <tannewt> Amaranth: is there a way for a desktop daemon to send X events?
[23:21] <Amaranth> You can't just make up new events
[23:22] <tannewt> Amaranth: what about ones already defined?
[23:22] <Amaranth> there are none already defined that fit what you're trying to do
[23:22] <Amaranth> but you can use XTest to fake events
[23:23] <tannewt> well, I'm saying I'll run code which understands the gesture stuff and sends events like right clicks and scrolls
[23:23] <Amaranth> then you have to modify applications to know to do multitouch things with those
[23:24] <tannewt> but at that point it doesn't matter if it was a usb mouse or a gesture