sistpoty | could an archive admin please let the ghc6 upload through? thanks! | 00:34 |
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nixternal | in sispoty style: could an archive admin please rock out the keurocalc-kde4 upload? thanks :) | 01:09 |
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IOU | does anyone find the 2.6.24-12 kernel slower than the 2.6.24-11 ? | 03:08 |
IOU | hrm i joined the wrong room to ask that, My Apologies | 03:13 |
Hobbsee | cody-somerville: re; recommends; only for metapackages | 04:56 |
Hobbsee | Fujitsu: which version of compiz actually worked/ | 05:03 |
Hobbsee | was it the last one, uploaded on the 7th, or 2 before/ | 05:03 |
Amaranth | eh? | 05:04 |
Hobbsee | Amaranth: the special keys is back again | 05:07 |
Hobbsee | Amaranth: it actually went away for a while | 05:07 |
Hobbsee | now i've hit it twice in less than 24 hours. | 05:07 |
Amaranth | special keys? | 05:07 |
Hobbsee | alt, meta, shift, win, etc | 05:07 |
Hobbsee | press-and-hold, focus | 05:07 |
Hobbsee | there's a bug open. no one's [been able to, bothered] to track it down.' | 05:08 |
Hobbsee | no caps, either.] | 05:08 |
Amaranth | oh, that's xorg stuff | 05:09 |
Hobbsee | and i can't seem to remember how to downgrade | 05:09 |
Amaranth | compiz can't fix it, it happens with metacity too | 05:09 |
Hobbsee | i know, but i didn't think xorg had changed | 05:09 |
Hobbsee | oh wait, it is | 05:09 |
Hobbsee | er, did | 05:09 |
RAOF | Hobbsee: You mean the bug where when you hold a key down and make a mouse event that key is then permanently pressed? | 05:12 |
Hobbsee | RAOF: i'm holding no key. but effectively, yes. | 05:12 |
Hobbsee | RAOF: yeah, looks like it. | 05:32 |
Hobbsee | RAOF: i think it's a phantom key though - it doesn't seem to produce any output on the terminal | 05:32 |
Hobbsee | whereas pageup, etc, will just give pageup spam on the terminal | 05:32 |
Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Check using xev next time it happens. | 05:55 |
macogw | Is the Rhythmbox maintainer around? | 06:49 |
macogw | guess not | 06:52 |
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jdub | 6.06 mailman security update bug seen? | 09:20 |
jdub | mlist.subject_prefix = Utils.canonstr( | 09:20 |
jdub | elif property == 'info': | 09:20 |
jdub | in /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/General.py | 09:20 |
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jdub | makes mailman inoperable (daemon doesn't run) | 09:21 |
jdub | emgent: ping? | 09:22 |
jdub | (oh, that was gusty not dapper) | 09:22 |
mdke | Amaranth: interesting, I haven't heard of that; will investigate | 09:37 |
vik_3278 | Hi, is this the correct channel to ask about manual back-porting? | 09:54 |
vik_3278 | or is that #ubuntu ? | 09:54 |
vik_3278 | no one here? | 09:56 |
jpatrick | vik_3278: #ubuntu-motu | 09:57 |
jpatrick | !weekend | vik_3278 | 09:57 |
ubotu | vik_3278: It's a weekend. Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week. | 09:57 |
vik_3278 | kk cheers | 09:57 |
vik_3278 | yeah I guess it's the weekend huh. | 09:57 |
jdub | bug mentioned above is #202332 | 10:12 |
soren | jdub: What? There's a bug about people not working enough over the weekend? :p | 10:15 |
afflux | apport is just removing the need-i386-retrace tag from bug 201071 :( | 10:18 |
ubotu | Bug 201071 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/201071 is private | 10:18 |
Hobbsee | soren: now that should be filed. | 10:21 |
ogra_cmpc | asac, around by chance ? | 11:18 |
pitti | geser: oh, xulrunner-dev works? why did you previously patch it to build with firefox? | 11:38 |
geser | pitti: I merged the last version because mono-tools was missing a build-dependency and did the test-build with universe enabled so I didn't catch that libxul-dev was in universe | 11:43 |
pitti | ah, ok | 11:43 |
mdke | pitti: did you poke ubuntu-docs from gutsy-proposed to gutsy-updates already? | 11:58 |
jeromeg | ScottK: hello | 12:02 |
jeromeg | jdong acked the pidgin backport, if I provide a debdiff, could you please upload it for me ? | 12:02 |
emgent | jdub: pong | 12:37 |
emgent | i'm working to it, sorry for delay | 12:37 |
jdub | emgent: no worries, just wanted to make sure it became known quickly :-) | 12:42 |
jdub | emgent: thanks! | 12:42 |
emgent | np :P | 12:42 |
emgent | stupid error in ../Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py | 12:44 |
jdub | and /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/General.py | 12:46 |
jdub | see #202332 (if you haven't already) | 12:47 |
emgent | yes I saw | 12:47 |
emgent | anyway, i will attach new patch, but i think that it will upload 17/18 th.. weekend time.. | 12:48 |
jdub | emgent: the problem is, the current security update breaks mailman | 12:49 |
emgent | i know. | 12:49 |
Hobbsee | emgent: please don't bug me in query, but is this for hardy or gutsy? | 12:50 |
jdub | gusty | 12:51 |
Hobbsee | <sigh> | 12:51 |
Hobbsee | emgent: where is it then, and have you actually tested this one? | 12:51 |
Fujitsu | emgent: Ping a security person as soon as you have a tested fix; you may be able to get it done earlier. | 12:51 |
cody-somerville | superm1, ping | 12:52 |
emgent | ok i will do. | 12:53 |
erle- | will monodevelop 1.0 and mono 2.0 be available in hardy? | 13:28 |
pitti | mdke: ah, no; the changelog failed to include a bug ref, so I didn't see it | 13:37 |
pitti | mdke: done | 13:38 |
Hobbsee | hi pitti | 13:40 |
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cjwatson | emgent: has anybody been raised on the phone for this yet? security regressions => bad news | 13:54 |
emgent | cjwatson: debdiff attached and now i'm putting up fix in my PPA too. | 13:56 |
cjwatson | I'll make some calls | 13:57 |
emgent | kees sleep. | 13:57 |
emgent | cjwatson: ok cool. | 13:57 |
emgent | only kees and jamie can upload in -security | 13:58 |
cjwatson | it's not an absurd hour for Jamie | 13:58 |
emgent | ok thanks cjwatson | 13:59 |
iwkse | hi all, anybody tried to install a live with a usb-cdrom device? | 14:00 |
iwkse | i'm experiencing a bug in the initramfs | 14:00 |
iwkse | while using an usb-cdrom device the new_root is mounted before the cdrom is recognized giving the (initramfs) prompt | 14:02 |
iwkse | and after few seconds it recognize the cdrom and allow me to mount it | 14:02 |
iwkse | now...i would really like to boot from initramfs but i don't know how to do | 14:02 |
iwkse | so i was searching a way to delay the mounting of root | 14:03 |
iwkse | root/new_root | 14:03 |
iwkse | anybody experienced it? | 14:03 |
Hobbsee | !weekend | iwkse | 14:06 |
ubotu | iwkse: It's a weekend. Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week. | 14:06 |
mdke | pitti: sorry about that - and thanks! | 14:09 |
Mithrandir | iwkse: I installed hardy in that configuration at least. | 14:09 |
pitti | emgent: hi | 14:09 |
yao_ziyuan | i want to suggest something, very important | 14:10 |
yao_ziyuan | i want a Language tray icon in a freshly installed ubuntu/kubuntu, just like windows does | 14:17 |
yao_ziyuan | because many east asian users are used to find their input methods there | 14:18 |
yao_ziyuan | well, essentially, it's a SCIM tray icon | 14:18 |
yao_ziyuan | so what i mean is, install and run scim by default | 14:18 |
yao_ziyuan | no matter what the installation/system language is | 14:18 |
ogra_cmpc | yao_ziyuan, did you try out hardy ? | 14:20 |
yao_ziyuan | does hardy do that? | 14:21 |
ogra_cmpc | it does exactly that if an asian language is used :) | 14:21 |
ogra_cmpc | and you can easily enable it on all others with one checkbox | 14:21 |
yao_ziyuan | but an east asian user is used to select his language from a tray icon, not from a system menu | 14:21 |
Hobbsee | yao_ziyuan: ubuntu does that. | 14:23 |
ogra_cmpc | why wouldnt an asian user not install his native language ? | 14:23 |
ogra_cmpc | i guess you rather mean keymap than language | 14:23 |
yao_ziyuan | ... | 14:24 |
yao_ziyuan | because of windows experience | 14:24 |
yao_ziyuan | trust me. a little default tray icon can lead you to wonder | 14:24 |
Hobbsee | ...with the endless popups and the spyware. a really good idea to duplicate it. | 14:24 |
ogra_cmpc | if you have installed any of the asian languages the scim applet is started by default | 14:25 |
yao_ziyuan | then, put a default tray icon that opens the install language dialog box | 14:25 |
ogra_cmpc | but you have to select your language before boot of the cd anyway ... why add another applet ? you cant boot hardy Cds without having selected the language | 14:26 |
ogra_cmpc | if that language is asian the scim applet will be in the panel | 14:27 |
cjwatson | yao_ziyuan: we install it by default for all languages in hardy, but we don't run it because scim's default keybindings confuse non-Asian users | 14:28 |
cjwatson | yao_ziyuan: this was actually quite a big issue over the last week; it got accidentally turned on by default and caused a great deal of confusion | 14:28 |
cjwatson | yao_ziyuan: so I think we're fine as we are in hardy :-) | 14:28 |
yao_ziyuan | many keybindings in scim are not necessary even for east asians | 14:31 |
yao_ziyuan | it just needs a Ctrl+Space | 14:31 |
yao_ziyuan | and a Shift+Ctrl | 14:31 |
cjwatson | this was exactly what confused people | 14:31 |
yao_ziyuan | Shift+Ctrl is optional too | 14:31 |
ogra_cmpc | thhats exactly been the biggest issue :) | 14:31 |
cjwatson | people hit that a lot by accident. We are absolutely not turning that on by default, sorry | 14:31 |
yao_ziyuan | what about Ctrl+Space? | 14:31 |
cjwatson | yes | 14:31 |
yao_ziyuan | sigh | 14:31 |
cjwatson | but it's more prominent in hardy than it was in gutsy; I think it's still an improvement | 14:32 |
yao_ziyuan | then don't activate any keybindings unless the user chooses Chinese/Japanese/Korean in the tray icon menu | 14:32 |
yao_ziyuan | i mean, choose by mouse | 14:32 |
ogra_cmpc | yao_ziyuan, thats what we do | 14:32 |
cjwatson | we'd welcome a patch for that | 14:32 |
cjwatson | ogra_cmpc: no, it isn't | 14:32 |
ogra_cmpc | but you select it earlier | 14:32 |
Hobbsee | cjwatson: yao_ziyuan is a kubuntu user. he probably didn't see it | 14:32 |
ogra_cmpc | cjwatson, well, we force lang selection upon the user on boot | 14:33 |
yao_ziyuan | my concern is that almost all computer users in china are using backdoored windows | 14:33 |
cjwatson | ogra_cmpc: if your locale isn't CJKV or Thai, scim isn't run | 14:33 |
cjwatson | 14:32 <yao_ziyuan> then don't activate any keybindings unless the user chooses Chinese/Japanese/Korean in the tray icon menu | 14:33 |
cjwatson | 14:32 <yao_ziyuan> i mean, choose by mouse | 14:33 |
cjwatson | 14:32 <ogra_cmpc> yao_ziyuan, thats what we do | 14:33 |
yao_ziyuan | that hurts their democracy enterprise greatly | 14:33 |
ogra_cmpc | right | 14:33 |
cjwatson | ogra_cmpc: yes, we make the user select a language at boot, but your description above is absolutely not accurate | 14:33 |
yao_ziyuan | i want them to switch to linux | 14:33 |
yao_ziyuan | but there has to be a way to activate a chinese input method similar to that in windows | 14:34 |
yao_ziyuan | choosing language upon installation is indeed good for novices | 14:35 |
yao_ziyuan | i didn't know vietnamese and thais also need input methods :) | 14:36 |
ogra_cmpc | yao_ziyuan, is it a general habit in asia to not choose the sysem to be in your native lang ? | 14:36 |
yao_ziyuan | no | 14:37 |
ogra_cmpc | then the existing sysem inded doesnt gain much ... | 14:37 |
yao_ziyuan | but for bilinguists like me | 14:37 |
yao_ziyuan | i prefer to remain english as default | 14:37 |
yao_ziyuan | by no i mean yes | 14:38 |
ogra_cmpc | heh | 14:38 |
yao_ziyuan | they choose native languages | 14:38 |
ogra_cmpc | thats how i understood it :) | 14:38 |
ogra_cmpc | so for the majority it will likely be an improvement as it is in hardy then | 14:39 |
yao_ziyuan | in kubuntu 7.10, if you choose chinese upon installation, you will get a default font that displays english letters in an ugly fixed-width way | 14:39 |
yao_ziyuan | yeah i also want to mention, if the user adds chinese, you should use the latest wenquanyi fonts | 14:40 |
yao_ziyuan | but ubuntu's chinese fonts are fine | 14:41 |
yao_ziyuan | i mean kubuntu | 14:41 |
ogra_cmpc | i think especially wrt fonts hardy has improved a lot, the person who is responsible for font and input handling since hardy lives in asia, you should probably take a look, beta wil come out soon | 14:41 |
yao_ziyuan | it's a lot lagging behind | 14:41 |
yao_ziyuan | i'm downloading kubuntu hardy alpha 6 | 14:41 |
yao_ziyuan | ubuntu and fedora have perfect chinese display and input | 14:41 |
yao_ziyuan | but they still require you to add chinese from a system menu, rather than from a tray icon, which would be more prominent | 14:42 |
yao_ziyuan | for kubuntu 7.10, it sucks at its default chinese font and its way to enable chinese input: you have to "add language: chinese" AND THEN "set system language: chinese" | 14:43 |
yao_ziyuan | i didn't know i should "set system language: chinese" in my early kubuntu days so i had a lot of frustration getting scim working | 14:43 |
* ogra_cmpc cant comment on kde | 14:43 | |
yao_ziyuan | i found the best way so far to enable scim in kubuntu is to install ubuntu first, and then enable chinese input in ubuntu, and then install kubuntu-desktop. and then i log into a kde session, and then Ctrl+Space will give me the input method. | 14:44 |
yao_ziyuan | but this way i still have to manually download the latest chinese fonts from wenquanyi's website | 14:45 |
yao_ziyuan | or else chinese characters in my firefox will be junk | 14:45 |
jdstrand | lamont: I think it should go in sooner than later, but I am working through upgrade scenarios and will be more conservative on upgrades from pre-hardy | 14:47 |
jdstrand | lamont: this isn't bind9-specific, we are working out the details for migrating profiles/etc for all apparmor enforcing packages | 14:48 |
lamont | jdstrand: fwiw, bind9 runs just fine with the file on dapper... :-) | 14:48 |
jdstrand | lamont: bottom-line, I hope to have some postinst and doc changes | 14:48 |
lamont | ah, for bind9? | 14:48 |
jdstrand | lamont: heh, yes it would be fine on dapper | 14:48 |
jdstrand | lamont: yes-- we will put the profile in complain mode on certain upgrades and enforce on new install | 14:49 |
jdstrand | lamont: so as not to break a dapper-hardy upgrade | 14:49 |
lamont | ah, ok. we'll want to chat about those, I expect. | 14:49 |
lamont | because there are far more configs out there than the default config | 14:50 |
jdstrand | lamont: all the details aren't worked out yet, but once I dig into it more, we can chat | 14:50 |
yao_ziyuan | cjwatson: how is it "more prominent" in hardy than in gutsy? | 14:50 |
jdstrand | lamont: oh sure-- and this isn't bind9 specific | 14:50 |
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jdstrand | lamont: but it will affect the apparmor snippet in postinst somewhat | 14:51 |
lamont | jdstrand: those fun little other-configs are the reason that bind doesn't force the chroot or user name on upgrades. (well, doesn't default to chroot in any case) | 14:51 |
lamont | right | 14:51 |
* lamont grumbles about jdstrand including a (&*^(&*)_)($&%)*_)(^*&%^(_ changelog entry in his patch | 14:53 | |
lamont | and manually applies the patch | 14:53 |
jdstrand | lamont: oh-- you don't want the changelog entry too? I was trying to make it easier for you | 14:53 |
lamont | 1) changelog never merges cleanly | 14:54 |
lamont | 2) I autogenerate it at the very end (note the diff on any revision whose commit log says 'changelog: release' :0) | 14:54 |
jdstrand | ok-- I was thinking of the patch as a debdiff. I'll know for next time | 14:55 |
lamont | if I had just git-am'ed your patch, the changelog record would have been: Fix for LP: #201954 (apparmor profile does not allow access to /var/lib/bind) | 14:55 |
lamont | you still have the git tree? | 14:55 |
jdstrand | lamont: yes | 14:55 |
yao_ziyuan | kubuntu makes such a distinction between "installed languages" and "system language" | 14:56 |
lamont | Addresses-Ubuntu-Bug: 200739 | 14:56 |
lamont | the changelog basically gets line one of the commit log (the short log print), and will add the LP# syntax if Addresses-{Debian,Ubuntu}-Bug: NNN is there | 14:56 |
yao_ziyuan | i want kubuntu to have a simple Languages listbox like ubuntu does | 14:56 |
yao_ziyuan | and like fedora does | 14:57 |
yao_ziyuan | the Language Selector | 14:57 |
lamont | jdstrand: and the sad part about me munging your change around is that it'll make for merge fun when you refresh after I push it. | 14:58 |
lamont | (for you) | 14:58 |
jdstrand | lamont: it'll help me remember | 14:59 |
jdstrand | ;) | 14:59 |
lamont | lol | 14:59 |
lamont | hrm.... | 15:01 |
lamont | jdstrand: so do we make /etc/bind/* read-only and force people to either edit the profile or "fix" their config to be conformant? | 15:01 |
lamont | the default fresh install should make it read only | 15:02 |
lamont | upgrades may want it to be rw | 15:02 |
jdstrand | lamont: I think it would be wise to be conservative in terms of functionality, and leave it rw. The unix permissions will then handle it properly. | 15:03 |
lamont | ah, true | 15:03 |
jdstrand | lamont: from a security perspective, I would want it 'r', but it is really very little gain for potentially a lot of pain | 15:03 |
* lamont steals the bug, marks it fix-committed | 15:03 | |
lamont | yeah - the admin can always tweak the file - we shouldn't need to change it much once it's done "enough" | 15:04 |
* jdstrand nods | 15:04 | |
* lamont really needs to push bug 191530 upstream | 15:05 | |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 191530 in bind9 ""host" cannot see sites in .org" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191530 | 15:05 |
lamont | it's a simple case of host not going the distance | 15:05 |
jdstrand | heh | 15:05 |
lamont | .com nameserver return glue as A RRs (violation of spec), because it works better | 15:06 |
lamont | .org nameservers don't. | 15:06 |
lamont | so if your .org domain has nameservers outside of .org, then host doesn't print things. | 15:06 |
lamont | of course, the real answer is "use dig. kthx" | 15:06 |
jdstrand | interesting-- haven't hit that myself | 15:07 |
lamont | there's a domain name in the bug | 15:08 |
Mithrandir | I'm wondering if we should think about shipping some compat versions of older tools, so people can still go host $blah, and get similar-formatted output, but from dig. | 15:08 |
lamont | and I might have those details wrong, too. | 15:08 |
Mithrandir | ditto for traceroute/mtr. | 15:08 |
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jdstrand | yeah, I get 'sourceforge.org has no NS record' too | 15:10 |
lamont | and if you look at the dig output, you can see why | 15:12 |
lamont | ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 0 | 15:12 |
lamont | vs dig ns sourceforge.com @a.gtld-servers.net | 15:13 |
lamont | ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 3 | 15:13 |
* jdstrand nods | 15:14 | |
* lamont would welcome someone going through http://bugs.debian.org/src:bind9 and triaging them | 15:14 | |
lamont | most of which are "does this still happen" questions for the submitter... | 15:15 |
* lamont wonders about debian bug 408432 and whether it was fully addressed (well, in debian, so I could close it...) | 15:16 | |
ubotu | Debian bug 408432 in bind9 "BIND remote exploit" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/408432 | 15:17 |
jdstrand | lamont: I can dig into it on monday (pun intended) | 15:18 |
lamont | heh | 15:18 |
lamont | #431663: dig can be made to crash using -f, named pipes, and signals | 15:26 |
lamont | "and your point?" :-) | 15:26 |
Wartorn | Just wanted to let you know, the "hardware testing" crashed on me, when it came to the mouse-test and i pressed next, now my cpu keeps running at 100%, even after a reboot | 15:26 |
Wartorn | and it keeps alternating between the cores, where one keeps running at around 5% and the other at 100% | 15:27 |
iwkse | any developers around here? :) | 15:47 |
jpatrick | !weekend > iwkse (:)) | 15:47 |
iwkse | :) | 15:47 |
iwkse | lazy hackers | 15:48 |
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pitti | !ask | iwkse | 15:54 |
ubotu | iwkse: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) | 15:54 |
Vadi | Is there a list of requirements somewhere for getting an @ubuntu.com forwarding email address? | 15:57 |
jpatrick | Vadi: you have to be a member | 15:57 |
iwkse | pitti: i did the question before, but i can repeat it..wait | 15:57 |
jpatrick | ubotu: tell Vadi about member | 15:58 |
iwkse | <iwkse> i'm experiencing a bug in the initramfs | 15:59 |
iwkse | <iwkse> while using an usb-cdrom device the new_root is mounted before the cdrom is recognized giving the (initramfs) prompt | 15:59 |
iwkse | <iwkse> and after few seconds it recognize the cdrom and allow me to mount it | 15:59 |
iwkse | <iwkse> now...i would really like to boot from initramfs but i don't know how to do | 15:59 |
iwkse | <iwkse> so i was searching a way to delay the mounting of new_root | 15:59 |
Vadi | jpatrick: Ok, thanks | 15:59 |
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superm1 | cody-somerville, hey what's up? | 18:21 |
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alex-weej | please can a developer take a quick look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/201127 ? i've posted the changes that I think are suitable for resolution | 19:28 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 201127 in network-manager "(Hardy) please remove Network Manager Editor from Internet and Preferences" [Undecided,New] | 19:28 |
enarxe0 | hi | 19:51 |
Rotund | Is there any chance of getting a new package in for Hardy yet? Something that's in community? | 20:10 |
LaserJock | Rotund: like an updated package or a completely new one? | 20:11 |
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ScottK2 | In January serpentine dropped from Main to Universe. If it's going to stay there, there's some stuff that can be re-enabled. I'm working on an upload to support python-xml removal. I can deal with that at the same time unless someone knows of plans to promote it again? | 20:55 |
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slangasek | ScottK2: nope, I'm pretty sure that dropping it in favor of brasero was deliberate | 21:03 |
ScottK2 | OK. Just checking. Didn"t want to do a bunch of work someone would just have to undo later. | 21:04 |
ScottK2 | Thnks | 21:04 |
jpatrick | Kopfgeldjaeger: ##fix_your_connection | 22:09 |
slangasek | mjg59: ping | 22:54 |
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emgent | heya | 23:57 |
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