[00:46] <nalioth> why did #ubuntustudio ask for ubot3 if they were just going to +q it?
[00:50] <LjL> nalioth: they have ubotu... perhaps they thought it was still down when they asked?
[00:52] <nalioth> it'd be nice if someone said "we're done with your bot now, thanks for the loan"
[00:53] <LjL> nalioth: be understandful... we make enough of a mess with all these half-working bots ourselfs, no surprise others get as confused
[00:54] <LjL> nalioth: the good news is, the auto-backup is quickly turning away from being vaporware
[00:55] <nalioth> :)
[01:18] <mneptok> if i install the sparc kernel will my computing experience be more sparkly?
[01:24] <Seeker`> If you have a sparc v7 processor, I know the most efficient asm code to compute the sign on the number
[01:26] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, heogen said: ubotu wengophone is better than pppd?
[01:29] <LjL> !bot > heogen    (heogen, see the private message from Ubotu)
[01:57] <ubotu> Odd-rationale called the ops in #ubuntu (free)
[02:40] <Pici> sigh
[02:41] <mneptok> jesus.
[02:41] <mneptok> i can guess why Java isn't working.
[02:42] <LjL> mneptok: he's trying to install it by pasting the code into /usr?
[02:42] <mneptok> LjL: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so
[02:45] <Pici> ...
[02:45] <Pici> mneptok: that won't work, you'd need to use sudo tee or -c (I think) with sudo for it to exec the whole thing as root
[02:45] <LjL> the tragic thing is i'm not getting the issue
[02:46] <LjL> i guess my java works by miracle
[02:46] <LjL> hasn't been touched since dapper
[02:46] <Pici> I thought he meant it as an io redirect... maybe I'm reading too much into it
[02:47] <LjL> Pici: well yeah that subtle sarcasm would suit him
[02:47] <LjL> wait, no
[02:47] <Pici> Anyway, any particular reason we have "/msg ubotu etiquette" in the #ubuntu topic instead of a link to the guidelines? 
[02:48] <LjL> Pici, little compromise against having a huge notice that you shouldn't change your nickname :) if you know who i'm pointing to here
[02:49] <LjL> Pici: and face it, most of the reasons you'd end up being kicked for are in !etiquette and not so much in the guidelines proper
[02:53] <Pici> fair enough
[04:36] <ubotu> Spaceman3750 called the ops in #ubuntu-chicago ()
[04:40] <nixternal> haha, nevermind that...I went in as an alter ego with konversation trying to verify a dcc bug and asked him if he wanted to cyber :p
[04:57] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, tritium said: !sound is a good place to start
[04:57] <tritium> ah, crap, I didn't mean to do taht
[04:57] <tritium> that*
[04:57] <nickrud> good version, I like it
[04:57] <tritium> heh
[07:52] <Myrtti> pur
[08:03] <elkbuntu> mew
[08:16] <Myrtti> poetic justice
[08:16] <Myrtti> I woke up at about three with the most horrible headache to the sound of my phone announcing low battery
[08:16] <Myrtti> the poetic part being ...
[08:16] <Myrtti> oh nvm.
[08:28] <elkbuntu> heh
[08:28] <Myrtti> is it just me or is kahrytan smug and annoying sometimes?
[08:28] <elkbuntu> so it was as poetic as an emo song
[08:28] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, only sometimes???
[08:29] <Myrtti> I feel like smacking him to the back of his head with a trout
[08:29] <Myrtti> a day dead trout preferably
[08:29] <Myrtti> or two
[08:30] <elkbuntu> hey, dont hurt yourself tryign to hurt him
[08:30] <Myrtti> I couldn't, he lives in a paradise and I don't
[08:33] <Hobbsee> hi calc 
[08:33] <calc> hi
[08:33] <Hobbsee> 'sup?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> apart from you breaking OO.o again.
[08:34] <calc> heh i haven't uploaded OO.o in a while so its just 'still broken' ;-)
[08:34] <Hobbsee> ugh.  well fix it!  :P
[08:34] <calc> about to head to bed, been doing bug triage
[08:34] <calc> my ooo bug page looks pretty :)
[08:34] <calc> 382 open 38 new
[08:35] <calc> used to be ~ 670 open 270 new
[08:35] <Hobbsee> wow, nice@
[08:35] <calc> of those over half are upstream and 93 are incomplete
[08:36] <Myrtti> kahrytan is getting down right insultive from what I'm seeing
[08:36] <Hobbsee> godo to see at least part of ubuntu in control of it's bugs
[08:36] <calc> heh
[08:37] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: i'm watching.  according to him, i'm the one op he hasn't had trouble with, or something
[08:37] <calc> ttyl, headed to bed now
[08:37] <Hobbsee> cya
[08:41] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: so how about having some op that he has had trouble with to deal him. He doesn't like them, they don't like him, and they all act like they have expected the other to act.
[08:41] <Myrtti> :->
[08:42] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: heh, go ahead and deal if you like
[08:42] <ompaul> ohh I'm here
[08:42] <ompaul> hehe
[08:42] <Hobbsee> he has actually had trouble with me before, too
[08:57] <Hobbsee> right.
[08:59] <ompaul> he is anti the goals of this community
[08:59] <ompaul> we can see this from his statements
[08:59] <Myrtti> wasn't he the homophobic from Hawaii?
[09:00] <Myrtti> or do I get them mixed up
[09:01] <ompaul> he is
[09:01] <ompaul> not was
[09:02] <ompaul> Hobbsee, your ban should be one this one  *!?=kahyrytan@*
[09:02] <ompaul> very very specific and one only 
[09:02] <ompaul> anyone avoiding that should be shot on site
[09:02] <ompaul> sight even
[09:14] <Seveas> or simply shot
[09:18] <Seveas> !staff
[09:18] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[09:18] <Seveas> spammer for #linuxchat in #freenode and others
[09:56] <jpatrick> g... (?) morning
[09:59] <Hobbsee> ompaul: can you fix it please?
[11:32] <jussi01> nalioth: I asked for ubot3 in #ubuntustudio when ubotu was not responding/out. you requested that we dont remove/kick it, so I didmt, I muted.
[11:37] <jpatrick> !guide
[11:37] <ubotu> guide is hhgttg
[11:38] <elkbuntu> ...
[11:38] <jpatrick> !-guide
[11:38] <ubotu> guide has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2008-03-07 08:05:21
[11:38] <Seveas> ˙˙˙
[11:38] <Seveas> øøø
[11:43]  * jpatrick sighs at roseubuntu in #u
[11:46] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu (rosebuntu - repeat link to same page (spammy :9))
[11:55] <ubotu> ripiket called the ops in #ubuntu (paranoibo - pasting commands of malicious intent)
[12:01] <ompaul> Hobbsee, I did
[12:04] <Hobbsee> ompaul: thanks
[12:04] <ompaul> Hobbsee, I left your more general ones in there 
[12:06] <Hobbsee> ompaul: i thought i nuked them
[12:06] <ompaul> Hobbsee, you did well 
[12:09] <Hobbsee> :)
[13:27] <jussi01> !staff | [03/15/08 15:23:45] <macckulkin> #LinuxChat (away from rushy and big channels) needs some good company and good channel operators. Just introducing once. sorry if this is a nuisence to you.
[13:27] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[13:28] <elkbuntu> jussi01, he's back?
[13:28] <jussi01> elkbuntu: yeah, got that just a couple of minutes ago
[13:28] <jussi01> checked he is on on seenserv
[13:29] <Seveas> again? :/
[13:29] <jussi01> :(
[13:30] <Tm_T> I got it now too
[13:30] <jussi01> Im off for a bit, see you all 
[13:47] <ompaul> !staff <mackkulkinn> #LinuxChat (away from rushy and big channels) needs some good company and good channel operators. Just introducing once. sorry if this is a nuisence to you.
[13:47] <ompaul> !staff | <mackkulkinn> #LinuxChat (away from rushy and big channels) needs some good company and good channel operators. Just introducing once. sorry if this is a nuisence to you.
[13:47] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[13:51] <jpatrick> yep, I got the same
[13:59] <Seveas> Hobbsee, emma does need an XXXXL tinfoil hat it seems :)
[13:59] <Hobbsee> Seveas: heh
[14:24] <emma> Why am I being banned from #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[14:25] <Hobbsee> because you clearly don't want to be there.
[14:26] <emma> Not so. 
[14:26] <emma> I was having a conversation with elkbuntu. I was speaking to him about things he was talking to me about. 
[14:26] <emma> And then I was kickbanned for making a factual statement? 
[14:26] <jpatrick> her* she
[14:26] <Hobbsee> emma: you really are bad at picking females.  elkbuntu is also a her.
[14:26] <emma> Okay with her then.
[14:26] <emma> Okay I did not know that. How could I?
[14:27] <Seveas> jpatrick, elkbuntu is quite masculine
[14:27] <Hobbsee>  a /whois
[14:27]  * Seveas runs for his life
[14:27] <elkbuntu> emma, what does the origin of any company have anything to do with anything?
[14:27] <Hobbsee> Seveas: then you would have been getting *really* strange looks at the airport...
[14:27]  * Hobbsee reaches for the brain bleach.
[14:27] <Seveas> Hobbsee, I think that happened anyway
[14:27] <emma> elkbuntu - I don't understand the question?
[14:27] <Hobbsee> Seveas: quinn.
[14:27] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i dunno, you got all the huggles then :(
[14:27] <Seveas> BRAIN BLEACH, WHERE'S THE BRAIN BLEACH
[14:27]  * Hobbsee used it all
[14:27] <jpatrick> DID ANYBODY SAY CAKE?
[14:27] <elkbuntu> emma, what is the point of mentioning that the company is israeli?
[14:27] <Hobbsee> mmm, cake
[14:28] <Seveas> damn you, pointy stick!
[14:28] <Hobbsee> there won't be any more till tomorrow :P
[14:28] <emma> elkbuntu - It does not matter much to me, to me the most important aspect is that it's a corporation. 
[14:28] <jpatrick> emma: and so is Canonical
[14:28]  * Hobbsee might be an evil corporation of the hobbsee too.  and?
[14:29]  * Hobbsee might be a green alien, come to take your communiications back to mars, and perform tests on human beings.
[14:29] <Seveas> jpatrick, I have this in the oven: http://www.blago.net/_baking_05/img/cake2_20_08.jpg
[14:29] <emma> The fact it is israeli is just another fact. If it were a Canadian corporation I would tell people that you are welcoming a Canadian corporation to record everything we say and publish it on the internet for a profit.
[14:29] <jpatrick> Seveas: yum, I mean APT!
[14:29] <emma> jpatrick -- I don't mind associating with Canonical since it has not lied to me or tried to exploit me.
[14:29] <Seveas> hell, if you could apt-get that, ubuntu would be rich :)
[14:29] <Hobbsee> emma: how do you know that?
[14:30] <Hobbsee> emma: are you aware that there are parts of ubuntu that aren't public either?
[14:30] <emma> Hobbsee - It's a matter of trust. So far I have no reason to distrust Canonical. 
[14:30] <Seveas> heh, canonical often lies
[14:30] <Seveas> it's called marketing
[14:30] <jpatrick> ubotu lies
[14:30] <ubotu> Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[14:30] <Seveas> LOL
[14:30] <elkbuntu> ROFL
[14:30] <emma> that was funny
[14:30]  * jpatrick <3 that factoids
[14:30] <Hobbsee> ROFL!  who put that there?
[14:30] <jpatrick> !.lies
[14:30] <jpatrick> !-lies
[14:30] <ubotu> lies has no aliases - added by LjL on 2008-01-07 15:24:59
[14:30] <elkbuntu> that really rocks
[14:30]  * elkbuntu hugs LjL
[14:30] <elkbuntu> i wuvs u!
[14:31]  * Hobbsee ponders a QOTD on that.
[14:31] <emma> elkbuntu - I didn't know you were a woman also. Sorry for that mistake. I don't really do /whois on people.
[14:31] <emma> Although I didn't realize that /whois tells you that stuff either.
[14:31] <Seveas> because /whois invades privacy?
[14:31] <LjL> emma: invasion of their privacy huh? :)
[14:31] <elkbuntu> emma, i'm one of the lucky ones who dont have to hide information from people
[14:31] <Seveas> LjL, gmta :)
[14:32] <LjL> Seveas, sometimes we think alike (except when we don't)
[14:32] <Seveas> LjL, well, your mind is greater anyway
[14:32] <jpatrick> because /whois shows when someone's /away?
[14:32] <LjL> Seveas: that's not a compliment and we both know it
[14:32] <emma> No /whois is not an invasion of privacy, but I like to take people for what they are, and how they present themselves rather than try to frame them.
[14:32]  * elkbuntu notes that /wii is cooler
[14:32] <Seveas> then you can raid their house!
[14:32] <Seveas> elkbuntu, Super Mario Galaxy1 
[14:32] <elkbuntu> emma, yet you framed me male. interesting ;)
[14:33] <elkbuntu> Seveas, har. har. err.... har!
[14:33] <LjL> elkbuntu, well, everyone can make mistake, initially i thought you were an elk
[14:33] <LjL> well, not just initially
[14:33] <emma> elkbuntu - Yes of course people can make mistakes like that. I think of elk as being kind of masculine like the elk lodge.
[14:33] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: next she'll claim that you weren't as big and curvy as expected.
[14:33] <elkbuntu> LjL, <insert elk noise here>
[14:33]  * Hobbsee quickly hides the extra supply of brain bleach
[14:33] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, dont make me come over and hit you
[14:33] <Seveas> tune mika song
[14:34]  * Seveas hugs elkbuntu 
[14:34]  * Hobbsee hugs elkbuntu too - surely you woudln't do that.
[14:34] <elkbuntu> Seveas, she's tryign to give me nightmares :(
[14:34] <LjL> elkbuntu: hey but i always thought you were a *female* elk!
[14:34] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: but what's the thumping?  
[14:34] <Seveas> elkbuntu gives better hugs than Hobbsee 
[14:34] <Hobbsee> Seveas: hmph :P
[14:35] <elkbuntu> because there's more of me!
[14:35] <Hobbsee> Seveas: see waht you get next time i meet you then...
[14:35] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: so quinn was right.  clearly i need to get bigger and curvier.
[14:35] <Seveas> Hobbsee, you hide the brain bleach, I'm taking away the hugs!
[14:35] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i'm sure Seveas would like you more if you had a beard though.
[14:35]  * Hobbsee uses the remainder of the brain bleach
[14:35] <Hobbsee> Seveas: see?  all gone.
[14:36] <Seveas> Hobbsee, well, in all seriousness, a bit more of you wouldn't hurt. Though I'd probably disagree with 'bigger and curvier' :)
[14:36] <Hobbsee> haha
[14:36] <Hobbsee> Seveas: then you wouldn't notice the green tendancies
[14:37] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, it'd be harder for them to carry you to the pool too
[14:37] <Seveas> green tendancies? Pretending to be a rake?
[14:37] <Hobbsee> Seveas: alien variety
[14:37] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: there is that.
[14:37] <Seveas> antennae?
[14:37] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: although, smashing them hard is also quite effective for that.
[14:37] <elkbuntu> hehe
[14:38] <Seveas> heh
[14:38] <Seveas> quite
[14:38] <nalioth> green tentacles?
[14:39] <nalioth> wait, whut?
[14:39] <Seveas> nalioth, in your pants
[14:39] <elkbuntu> Seveas, too far!
[14:39] <Hobbsee> urgh.  far too far.
[14:40] <Seveas> Hobbsee, elkbuntu: you and your sick minds
[14:40] <Seveas> I meant the things that run from his ass to his shoes
[14:40] <elkbuntu> Seveas, i dont care which part of in his pants, i dont want to see any of it!
[14:41] <Seveas> you're about a gazillion miles away from him. No chance of seeing it
[14:41]  * jussi01 wonders exactly how this conversation got to where it is...
[14:42] <Hobbsee> jussi01: UDS
[14:42] <LjL> jussi01: quantum probability
[14:42] <jussi01> hhahahahah
[14:43] <elkbuntu> hmm... we've accumulated idlers indeed
[14:43] <elkbuntu> who's moha?
[14:43] <LjL> some of these will get upset.
[14:44] <Hobbsee> why?
[14:44] <emma> I'm not idling. 
[14:44]  * elkbuntu points to the /topic
[14:44] <elkbuntu> you were so.
[14:44] <Hobbsee> emma: define idling?
[14:44] <emma> I am waiting for you all to finish socializing, because I felt it would be rude of me to interupt you with my issue.
[14:44] <Hobbsee> go ahead.
[14:45] <Hobbsee> people tend to be quiet when there's actual on topic discussion
[14:45] <emma> I would like to be unbanned from -offtopic.  My comments were not out of left field. I was having a conversation with others, including elkbuntu, and the comment I was banned for is accurate and not malicious.
[14:46] <LjL> emma, are you familiar with Wikipedia?
[14:46] <emma> Yes.
[14:46] <LjL> emma: do you know all those templates they have - the "weasel words" one, for instance?
[14:47] <emma> I am not sure that I am.
[14:48] <emma> Not to make this argumentative but just to put it out there, I think that informal speech such as a conversation in a chat room has to have different standards of speech than you would find in, say, an encyclopaedia.
[14:48] <LjL> emma: well if you're interested it's explained here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_writing_better_articles among other places, but anyway the point is
[14:48] <LjL> you can be trolling (in the case of IRC) or being NPOV etc (in the case of Wikipedia) even while stating facts
[14:49] <emma> That's a very interesting statement to me.
[14:49] <LjL> emma: it is interesting.
[14:49] <LjL> emma: when you mention that the company is Israeli - it's a fact, because it is (at least i believe you, i haven't really checked).
[14:49] <LjL> emma: yet does the nationality bear any relevance to the matter? if not, then it becomes a weasel word.
[14:50] <emma> Is that really what this is about?
[14:50] <LjL> also, adding a pejorative adjective just before the weasel adjective is a typical way to subtly transfer the pejoration from the noun to the adjective.
[14:50] <emma> Let me ask you this: If I had said, "The Canadian corporation... " would that also be considered a "weasel" word?
[14:51] <LjL> "slimely Israeli company" - of course it means the company is slimely... yet the choice of word order conveys a slightly different message.
[14:51] <emma> LjL if I had said, "The slimy Canadian corporation" would that also convey the same message to you?
[14:51] <LjL> emma: well, need to see it in the context of the phrase, but yes, since its being Canadian would have very little relevance
[14:51] <LjL> yup
[14:51] <Hobbsee> speaking of isralies, spam has stepped down from the CC :(
[14:52] <elkbuntu> emma, your comment was vindictive and unwelcome. the fact that you were talking to me has zero impact on how your behaviour is taken. i really did not appreciate you trashing the company with the phrase 'slimey israeli'. i found it quite offensive
[14:53] <elkbuntu> emma, you offended me.
[14:53] <emma> That's interesting also. 
[14:53] <emma> To me it is surprising that "israeli corporation" is so offensive.
[14:53] <LjL> don't forget the "slimey".
[14:53] <elkbuntu> no, i didnt say that
[14:54] <emma> The slimy adjective applies to the noun not the other adjective. You all are parsing the English langauge pretty hard here in order to justify this ban I think.
[14:54] <emma> But if we are going to do that then lets do that.
[14:54] <emma> Israeli is not being used as a noun in this sentence.
[14:54] <Myrtti> I just love the part that everytime I see emma on any given channel, the discussion always contains the words allow, log, corporation, israeli, slimey etc.
[14:54] <emma> It is being used as an adjective, modifying the noun 'company'
[14:55] <LjL> emma, no, i believe *you* have been constructing your sentences in a way that lets you justify their factual correctness while still conveying trollish messages. that's why i talked about the whole Wikipedia thing, and how you can have a weasel sentence even when stating something "factually accurate".
[14:55] <elkbuntu> slimey corporation is expressly about the corporation. but when you feel the need to interject a nationality, (which by the way, i have relatives who are israeli), and have the phrase 'slimey israeli' blaring, 
[14:56] <emma> if I had used Israeli as a noun that would probably be more understandable if you found that offensive. But since I was not, I am not sure how to respond to this criticism other than to say, it is not reasonable to hold people to this level of fine-parsing of the English language in a dynamic real time medium like chat.
[14:56] <emma> elkbuntu - It's like saying "The tall red barn"
[14:56] <emma> The tall does not apply to the word red
[14:56] <emma> It applies to the word barn
[14:56] <Hobbsee> meh, symantecs
[14:57] <emma> I am not the one making this semantics. I am stating the fact about what I said for all to see.
[14:57] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: don't you ever sleep, btw?
[14:57] <LjL> eh emma, the thing is, we don't parse sentences to this level of details with *everyone*, but when you're already on our radar and we believe you *have* an agenda of conveying "slimey" messages while trying hard to keep inside the "rules", then we do.
[14:57] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, you're in my timezone missy
[14:58] <emma> LjL -- Well this post seems to confirm my feelings that I am being targeted and singled out then.
[14:58] <Myrtti> emma: you're doing it all by yourself
[14:58] <emma> Often times, other ops tell me I am paranoid or should wear a tinfoil hat for thinking that.
[14:58] <elkbuntu> emma, you are, because of how you behave.
[14:58] <Myrtti> you don't need our help with that at all
[14:58] <LjL> emma, well yes you are, there is no mystery about it... we don't treat single messages sent to IRC separately, like they were each from a different user.
[14:59] <Hobbsee> emma: if you wish to troll about an israeli company, you may.  You may not to do so in #ubuntu-offtopic, after having already monopolized the conversation for a long time.
[14:59] <emma> Your targeting me and singling me out is what escalates this kind of thing.
[14:59] <sudobash> wow i came into an interesting conversation
[14:59] <Hobbsee> nah.  kahrtan got done earlier.
[14:59] <Hobbsee> hey sudobash 
[14:59] <LjL> emma, your persisting in being a troll is what gets you targeted and singled out
[14:59] <elkbuntu> emma, your behaviour makes us feel uncomfortable. sometimes we do not want to have to wait for the end of The Book Of Emma before finishing it.
[14:59] <sudobash> :)
[14:59] <emma> I was not trolling. My comments were within the context of a conversation with other people. It was a natural comment within a natural conversation.
[15:00] <Hobbsee> then i think we'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of trolling
[15:00] <LjL> emma, you're trolling right now.
[15:00] <emma> The reason I was banned, it would seem, is that my comment was too true and not pleasant to the ops.
[15:00] <LjL> let me explain.
[15:00] <sudobash> very interesting... *sits back and watches*
[15:00] <Myrtti> it's better than the daytime soaps
[15:00]  * Myrtti has an "IRC dinner"
[15:00] <sudobash> lol
[15:01] <sudobash> mindspring wow i havent seen them in a while
[15:02] <sudobash> did you all see that Atlanta got hit by a tornado?
[15:02] <sudobash> CNN's windows got busted out and they lost a PC
[15:02] <Seveas> sudobash, do you have anything to discuss with us?
[15:03] <elkbuntu> sudobash, do /who *mindspring.com and see how many you can find
[15:04] <Hobbsee> if she starts to troll anywhere else, can someone make sure that they forward her in the same way?
[15:05] <nalioth> sudobash: can we help you?
[15:06] <sudobash> no i'll be quite
[15:06] <Seveas> sudobash, no idling in here
[15:06] <nalioth> see /topic
[15:06] <Seveas> so if you have nothing to discuss with us, /part is your best friend
[15:07] <sudobash> well can i monitor the chat and report stuff here?
[15:07] <jpatrick> (unless you were ban forwarded here)
[15:07] <nalioth> ...if you do have something to discuss, now is the time
[15:07] <Seveas> sudobash, the !ops command does that for you. Other things don't need to be forwarded
[15:07] <sudobash> cool
[15:08] <Seveas> so, please use the /part now :)
[15:08] <sudobash> so !ops nick will forward what just the nickname to this channel?
[15:08] <nalioth> and have a nice day  :)
[15:08] <LjL> sudobash: !ops | nick - and use only in serious emergencies
[15:08] <Hobbsee> gah.  stop triggering my highlights.
[15:08] <sudobash> ok
[15:08] <Seveas> h!opsee
[15:08] <sudobash> sorry
[15:08] <Hobbsee> grrr
[15:09]  * jpatrick /dehilight-ed !--ops today
[15:10] <sudobash> oops
[15:11] <LjL> so unintentional
[15:12] <nalioth> Hobbsee: SEJeff is an op in #ubuntu-hardened and pressenter is an op in one of the eastern European channels
[15:12] <LjL> -pl
[15:12] <Hobbsee> nalioth: ahhh
[15:12] <LjL> and crdlb... come on
[15:12] <Hobbsee> nalioth: give them +v then, if they're trusted
[15:12] <LjL> well +v means you're someone you're supposed to talk to if you've been banned or otherwise have a complain
[15:14] <elkbuntu> nalioth, then they should be in IRC, rather than here
[15:15] <nalioth> i'm just telling Hobbsee who she kicked  :)
[15:15] <Hobbsee> nalioth: right.  yeah, they looked familiar-ish, but i couldn't tell from where
[15:16] <LjL> yeah it's true they should be in -irc rather than here in theory, but you don't want to be too harsh to them either
[15:16] <LjL> and crdlb is almost our op :)
[15:35] <Hobbsee> she requested access to -offtopic
[15:35] <elkbuntu> o.O
[15:35]  * Hobbsee doesn't really have a problem with +b --> +q
[15:35] <elkbuntu> except she can still PM people
[15:35] <Hobbsee> as in, being able to enter it
[15:36] <Hobbsee> she could do that nayway
[15:36] <elkbuntu> and is known to do so
[15:36] <elkbuntu> yes, but this makes it easier
[15:36] <Hobbsee> unsolicited spam penalty is....
[15:36] <elkbuntu> and she's been explicitly told this?
[15:37] <Hobbsee> yes, i did a few days ago.
[15:37] <Hobbsee> she's saying she can't enter now.  strange.
[15:37] <LjL> you have another ban
[15:38] <Hobbsee> where?
[15:38] <elkbuntu> LjL, you earned a pet?
[15:39] <Hobbsee> ahh, found it
[15:39] <LjL> elkbuntu: i love those who think they won't highlight me
[15:39] <elkbuntu> haha
[15:46] <jpatrick> profoX`: hey
[15:46] <profoX`> hi
[15:55] <javaJake> I smell fish!
[16:06] <Tm_T> ok
[16:06] <Seveas> I think he meant: 'I smell like fish'
[16:06] <jdong> is ##unavailable just some random channel or does it have special meaning?
[16:06] <LjL> jdong, join and see
[16:07] <LjL> IF YOU DARE
[16:07] <jdong> cool
[16:08] <jpatrick> weird channel
[16:08] <LjL> duh, everyone dare.
[16:12] <nalioth> jdong: it's been extant for a long time
[16:12] <nalioth> jdong: it's where off-guideline channels are forwarded
[16:13] <jdong> ah :)
[16:37] <ubotu> hydrogen called the ops in #ubuntu+1 ()
[16:40] <ubotu> PowerOfDarkness called the ops in #ubuntu-in ()
[16:43] <jpatrick> false alarm last
[16:43] <Pici> k
[16:44] <jpatrick> ..de
[16:49] <ubotu> In ubotu, Mielas said: ja ne is klar
[16:49] <jpatrick> ...
[16:49] <jpatrick> funny how I said "de" and a german comment came by
[16:51] <ompaul> do you believe in coincidence - if so ring 1800 --- strangebuttrue
[16:51]  * ompaul blinks
[16:51] <ompaul> I am going to reboot this box done some nasties to it
[16:51]  * jpatrick blinks
[16:51] <Pici> uh
[16:53] <nickrud> cool, we just scrolled a lot :) I though ubotu used to say see above
[16:55] <LjL> it does
[16:56] <nickrud> must be smart enough to know > and repeat if that was used last. Good bot
[16:56] <Pici> But !this > user then !this | user doesnt trigger it
[16:56] <LjL> ah no that it doesn't
[16:56] <LjL> mostly because you do need to do that when users are t... i mean, don't realize they have a PM
[16:56] <LjL> no matter how clearly they're told
[16:57] <nickrud> sounds like you're getting frustrated with some people there
[16:59] <LjL> me? nah.
[17:00] <nickrud> see if it works this time. I'm frustrated ;)
[17:48] <no0tic> vorian, PriceChild congrats!
[17:49] <vorian> *blinks*
[18:15] <Gary> whats pricey done *now*
[18:18] <sudobash> you all are sneaky
[18:19] <ompaul> not too much
[18:19] <ompaul> ehh I don't think that was very useful
[18:28] <Tm_T> sneaky?
[18:29]  * stdin sneaks in
[18:30] <jpatrick> Tm_T: must be our jedi ways
[18:32] <Tm_T> jpatrick: nah, I'm no sneaky, I just don't make unneeded sounds, my young padawan
[18:34] <ompaul> join #ubuntu-offtopic and tell sudobash you don't resemble that remark ;-)
[18:35] <LjL> i'm sneaky
[18:36] <ompaul> LjL, no you are cunning!
[18:36] <ompaul> that is different :)
[18:37] <LjL> i say i'm sneaky
[18:37] <ompaul> I say you are wrong
[18:37] <LjL> yes, i'm also wrong
[18:51] <ompaul> like that was not expected
[18:51] <ompaul> you know better that happened with you before
[18:51] <kahrytan> I hereby report ompaul for abuse of -ops powers
[18:51] <nalioth> where?
[18:52] <kahrytan> ompaul->  you idiot. It wasnt offtopic dumb pos
[18:52] <ompaul> now that is personal abuse
[18:52] <kahrytan> I am getting tired of -ops bs
[18:52] <kahrytan> Stop it now and I will report it.
[18:52] <nalioth> kahrytan: where did this happen?
[18:52] <kahrytan> in #ubuntu
[18:52] <kahrytan> I was talking to cpudan about lastest update. 
[18:52] <LjL> kahrytan, no personal insults, those really won't bring you *anywhere*
[18:53] <kahrytan> LjL->  Sorry. I am getting sick of personal abuse by -ops. 
[18:54] <nalioth> kahrytan: i am sorry you feel that any time you are addressed by an operator it's "op abuse"
[18:54] <ompaul> you suggesting that you want to whip someone does not warrant a !offtopic
[18:54] <kahrytan> ompaul->  sais !o4o not once but twice. That is bot abuse.  I was talking about legimate ubuntu help issue about a recent update.
[18:54] <ompaul> kahrytan, and the first one missed its target so therefore was nothing to do with you 
[18:55] <ompaul> the second one was aimed at you
[18:55] <LjL> kahrytan, that was a t-y-p-o
[18:55] <kahrytan> which was still bot abuse
[18:55] <kahrytan> ompaul-> and I dont give a fly flip what you think
[18:55] <LjL> hahTAB rather than kahTAB
[18:55] <ompaul> kahrytan, here is a bit of fun  
[18:55] <ompaul> I don't mind what you think you are banned
[18:55] <ompaul> have a nice day 
[18:55] <LjL> kahrytan, weren't you offtopic?
[18:56] <kahrytan> ompaul-> I am reporting you to Council. 
[18:56] <kahrytan> LjL->  nope
[18:56] <nalioth> kahrytan: yes, you are.
[18:56] <kahrytan> nalioth->  Nope
[18:56] <LjL> kahrytan: then why did jrib ask you if you had a support question?
[18:56] <ompaul> kahrytan, they are here
[18:56] <kahrytan> nalioth->  if you lie, I will report you too
[18:56] <kahrytan> LjL->  jrib was sharing his experience with me. 
[18:56] <jpatrick> kahrytan: you are talking to the IRC council
[18:56] <ompaul> they are here
[18:56] <Pici> 14:48:11 <kahrytan> Cpudan80->  I feel like whipping the person whose bright ideas to update that
[18:57] <kahrytan> jpatrick->  i am aware of that.
[18:57] <LjL> kahrytan, as soon as you joined and gave a statement instead of a question, he asked you whether you had a support question.
[18:57] <LjL> that was a perhaps too subtle hint that you were being offtopic already.
[18:57] <kahrytan> LjL->  support doesnthave to be in a question.
[18:58] <LjL> kahrytan: <kahrytan> Who bright and incredibly stupid idea was to update ubuntu-docs? <- offtopic and insulting
[18:58] <LjL> and not a support question
[18:58] <kahrytan> LjL->  I was seeing anyone had a issue with the update
[18:58] <ompaul> no you were being abusive of a developer
[18:58] <kahrytan> in this case, editor
[18:59] <ompaul> well they had to package it that makes them a dev in my books
[18:59] <kahrytan> Anyways, point is it was offtopic and ompaul  is abuse of powers. End of Story. Do something about it or I contact ubuntu council.
[18:59] <kahrytan> It wasn't offtopic
[18:59] <kahrytan> ^ correction
[18:59] <LjL> kahrytan, contact the ubuntu council.
[19:00] <LjL> you've had too many bans
[19:00] <LjL> and have accused us of too many things
[19:00] <LjL> for me to be willing to come to a compromise about this now
[19:00] <kahrytan> I've had to many personal attacks by ubuntu-ops
[19:00] <LjL> substantiate your claim please.
[19:00] <Pici> I don't see how we "ubuntu-ops" can convince you otherwise at this point it time anyway.
[19:00] <kahrytan> Oh I have
[19:00] <LjL> do it again please.
[19:01] <kahrytan> And I refuse to sit here and watch you take his side, LjL 
[19:01] <LjL> then you're not willing to substantiate your claims?
[19:02] <LjL> i mean, if you have already, it should be a copy+paste matter.
[19:02] <nalioth> kahrytan: are you going to tell the Community Council off when they ask you for corroboration ?
[19:02] <nalioth> because they will
[19:02] <kahrytan> I came to #ubuntu for support, it DOESNT HAVE TO BE IN A QUESTION FORM. I seeking out other people who were having issues with latest update.  jrib  was having similar issue and shared it with me. and cpudan joined in. So I talked to him about. I even suggested remedy for him if he wanted to avoid long update process. So I guess I helped someone.
[19:03] <LjL> kahrytan, joining a channel and asking "whose stupid idea" was to do something is beyond being or not being a support question, and being being or not being a question
[19:03] <kahrytan> and ompaul  had the galls to say I was offtopic
[19:03] <LjL> it's RUDE
[19:03] <ompaul> kahrytan, I hope you suggest that you want to whip the person involved
[19:04] <ompaul> cos I will be provding that little morsel 
[19:04] <kahrytan> LjL->  rude but truthful. it was dumb to update something that will take up time and resources .. especially on slower computers.
[19:04] <jrib> kahrytan: Here is the problem as I see it.  "14:48:11 <kahrytan> Cpudan80->  I feel like whipping the person whose bright ideas to update that" is offtopic.  You agree?  ompaul informed you of this with the bot.  Then you proceeded to throw a factoid back at him instead of just stopping the conversation after being told it was inappropriate for the channel
[19:04] <Pici> jrib: +1
[19:04] <Seveas> and there's never a good reason for rudeness
[19:05] <LjL> kahrytan: and sine when do we appreciate (from a CoC point of view) rudeness even when it conveys truth?
[19:05] <LjL> let me answer that for you, we don't
[19:05] <jpatrick> kahrytan: If you think you can do better, why not consider joining the dev team?
[19:06] <kahrytan> jpatrick->  in this case, motd is better idea.
[19:06] <Tm_T> :(
[19:06] <kahrytan> Update should have been left til april.
[19:07] <jrib> whether or not that is true is irrelevant to the matter at hand
[19:07] <LjL> kahrytan, your ban won't be lifted today. do you have any further questions for the operators (or otherwise, are you willing to substantiate your claims against operators)?
[19:07] <kahrytan> I just did, ljl. Claim is bot abuse and slander for lying against ompaul 
[19:08] <Tm_T> bah
[19:08] <LjL> kahrytan: yes, well, i was talking more in general - in this specific case, i disagree with your interpretation that it was abuse
[19:08] <kahrytan> LjL->  and which isnt based on facts
[19:08] <nalioth> i think the consensus is warranted
[19:08] <LjL> kahrytan: well, i don't see many facts from your side either. so, any further issues?
[19:08] <ompaul> so I lied .........
[19:08] <kahrytan> ompaul->  lying .. saying I was offtopic. That's slander and defamation of character. 
[19:09] <ompaul> lovedly 
[19:09] <ompaul> hahaha
[19:09] <kahrytan> if it was in real life, I would sue your butt.
[19:09] <LjL> kahrytan, this attitude is not acceptable.
[19:09] <kahrytan> LjL->  lawsuits arent pretty. 
[19:09] <LjL> take your threats somewhere else.
[19:09] <ompaul> kahrytan, you called me a pos -- you are on some kind of short fuse to nothing
[19:10] <kahrytan> LjL->  and -ops constantly personal attacks on me makes me want to sue everyone here.
[19:10] <LjL> kahrytan, do you have any further questions?
[19:10] <kahrytan> LjL->  Whenn will ompaul  be punished?
[19:11] <LjL> kahrytan: not anytime, as far as we're concerned
[19:11] <kahrytan> Then calling meeting for ubuntu council first ops then community.
[19:11] <LjL> ok. do you have any further questions for *us*?
[19:11] <kahrytan> Goodbye. I am getting sick and tired of personal attacks by ops
[19:11] <LjL> bye
[19:11] <kahrytan> leave me the hell alone.
[19:12] <LjL> kahrytan, substantiate your claims that we're not leaving you "alone", or drop them.
[19:12] <kahrytan> ompaul  didnt leave me alone. 
[19:12] <kahrytan> Do something about the personal attacks and I will take this as high as possible
[19:12] <LjL> kahrytan, stop talking, act.
[19:12] <kahrytan> I'll start mass mailing Canonical if I have to
[19:13] <kahrytan> I'll take this to corporate
[19:13] <LjL> kahrytan, your position is getting less and less tenable
[19:13] <kahrytan> LjL->  That is an personal attack,.
[19:14] <nickrud> sigh
[19:14] <LjL> kahrytan: i don't... think so?
[19:14] <kahrytan> ummm yes it is
[19:14] <stdin> you have a strange definition of a personal attack, and I'd bet you think this is one too
[19:14] <LjL> kahrytan, further questions?
[19:14] <kahrytan> personal attack .. directed an individual. 
[19:15] <LjL> well, it's not *anything* directed to an individual - check your 'pedia
[19:15] <ompaul> say nothing 
[19:16] <Pici> I was away for awhile, has sudobash's advertising of ##ubuntu-uncensored been brought up yet?
[19:16] <ompaul> no
[19:17] <LjL> Pici, uhm, elaborate
[19:17] <LjL> or elaborate in PM
[19:17] <Pici> LjL: First a 'random' mention of it on #ubuntu+1 and just now he mentioned it to someone in u-offtopic who was asked to keep the language clean.
[19:18] <Seveas> Pici, ugh...
[19:18] <stdin> [18:40]<sudobash> that channel #ubuntu-uncensored is growing
[19:18] <Pici> And /lastlog sudobash in -offtopic reveals hes mentioned it before as well.
[19:18] <Seveas> btw, see +q right now
[19:18] <Seveas> +1
[19:21] <Pici> is he banned in here?
[19:21] <LjL> shouldn't be
[19:21] <jpatrick> he's in -irc
[19:21] <LjL> he's often enough here too
[19:21] <ompaul> * You've invited sudobash to #ubuntu-ops (kubrick.freenode.net)
[19:22] <ompaul> that will now be used as a carrot or stick
[19:23] <albyyx> Seveas, .. where are you... :P
[19:24] <Seveas> albyyx, ?
[19:24] <albyyx> yeah i was just wondering 
[19:24] <albyyx> because i've heard a bit of a fuzz about a bot logging the main channel 
[19:24] <albyyx> but i don't really get the point
[19:24] <ompaul> well the channel is logged
[19:24] <ompaul> 24/7
[19:24] <Seveas> albyyx, almost all ubuntu channels are publically logged 
[19:24] <Seveas> some in 2 places
[19:24] <albyyx> i mean, i just wonder what's it all about 
[19:25] <jpatrick> !logs
[19:25] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[19:25] <ompaul> now you can catch up on previous conversations
[19:25] <albyyx> yes that's why i don't get the thing 
[19:25] <jpatrick> !no, logs is <reply> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[19:25] <ubotu> I'll remember that jpatrick
[19:26] <albyyx> i mean.. how to say :s
[19:26] <albyyx> if everybody logs a channel what makes this logging specifically so problematic?
[19:26] <albyyx> i think that's it 
[19:26] <Seveas> albyyx, some people are overly paranoid about logging
[19:26] <Pici> And they think its an invasion of privacy.
[19:26] <Seveas> it's best to ignore these people if you don't want to get paranoid yourself :)
[19:27] <jpatrick> albyyx: IRC is a public place
[19:27] <albyyx> what im getting is confused yes
[19:27] <albyyx> i thought it was something different 
[19:28] <albyyx> thanks for the explanations guys 
[19:28] <Pici> Surely
[19:28] <albyyx> i think i get the point see you out here :))
[19:46] <PriceChild> no0tic: ty
[19:48] <jpatrick> PriceChild: yes, congrats, and you too vorian :)
[19:55] <jpatrick> ompaul: ping^
[19:55] <ompaul> sudobash, ahh I see you decided to join us
[19:56] <jpatrick> ompaul: I dragged him in (kinda)
[19:56] <sudobash> http://www.geocities.com/anon_1737/
[19:57] <Pici> sudobash: So? We log our bans and kicks.  Whats the issue?
[19:57] <sudobash> i think theres a little more than that going on
[19:57] <Myrtti> oh?
[19:57] <sudobash> but what is it any of my concern
[19:57] <jpatrick> sudobash: it's to help keep "track" of them to help remove them later etc
[19:58] <Myrtti> with the channels being as big as they are, there has to be some sort of database
[19:58] <Pici> sudobash: Eh? Thats the bantracker. 
[19:58] <ompaul> sudobash, should be let serial trolls in - some kind of scoreboad was needed - there are those who would not let you use the channel in a civil fashion if they got half a chance
[19:59]  * Pici scratches his head
[19:59] <LjL> sudobash: i don't see the issue still?
[19:59] <Pici> Me either.
[20:00] <ompaul> sudobash, can you explain what the issue is, cos we really don't see it
[20:00] <sudobash> well it looks odd to me the site says the bantracker is down as of 2007 but its not
[20:01] <sudobash> why do you not want us to see what you are seeing>?
[20:01] <ompaul>  the load on the server was making it unusable 
[20:01] <LjL> cook63: change your ident
[20:01] <ompaul> cook63, ccheck your ident
[20:01] <LjL> sudobash, where does it say it's down...?
[20:01] <sudobash> i see... i found a nice sized support channel on efnet called #ubuntu
[20:01] <ompaul> you won't be joining #ubuntu
[20:01] <cook63> Un Saluto a Tutte Le Anime!
[20:02] <Pici> well then.
[20:02]  * Pici shrugs
[20:02] <ompaul> where is sudobash
[20:02] <LjL> gonely
[20:02] <Pici> He just left.
[20:02] <jpatrick> LjL: he's been here more than once..
[20:02] <cook63> Un Saluto a Tutte Le Anime!
[20:02] <ompaul> no
[20:02] <ompaul> LjL,  leave it there
[20:02] <ompaul> nalioth, ^^ pass that to bearperson
[20:03] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu (aiwita-salaita)
[20:04] <ompaul> well the news for sudo bash if they turn up again is this - ubuntu has official channels here not on efnet
[20:05] <Pici> If he doesnt want to be around here, we should just let him leave.
[20:05] <ompaul> there is that 
[20:07] <sudobash> so who do the logs of all this support go to?
[20:07] <jpatrick> sudobash: ubuntu has official channels here, not on efnet
[20:08] <sudobash> who cares at least efnet isnt going to log every move imake
[20:08] <sudobash> are the logs being sold to 3rd party corporations or not?
[20:08] <Pici> sold?
[20:08] <Seveas> sudobash, you've listened to emma too much
[20:09] <jpatrick> !logs > sudobash 
[20:09] <nikrud> golly gee, I believe everything I read on the interent
[20:09] <sudobash> no it just makes since to me that someone would try to make money off of free support
[20:09] <Pici> sudobash: We're all volunteers here, no one is making money off of this.
[20:10] <ompaul> sudobash, ehh now think of it like this - the answer to most of the questions are on a wiki 
[20:10] <sudobash> i didnt say the OP's
[20:10] <ompaul> the company I work for uses a lot of GNU/Linux 
[20:10] <sudobash> but Dell is getting their answers from somewhere
[20:10] <nikrud> sudobash: not to be inflammatory, or to continue this discussion further, but you'd best stop using google since they make money based on using free support posted on the web
[20:10] <jpatrick> sudobash: documentation?
[20:11] <Seveas> nikrud, as are yahoo, microsoft, altavista etc.
[20:11] <ompaul> sudobash, I help people and they help me we improve things and we document stuff so we can all get to the next page faster
[20:11] <Seveas> sudobash, so yes, by answering things on freenode, you make money for microsoft
[20:11] <Pici> nikrud: I don't often laugh out loud at things on irc, but that was pretty funny.
[20:12] <ompaul> sudobash, in other words we don't buy that theory - the irc stuff is pretty random
[20:12] <ompaul> sudobash, it needs to be put in some context and acted upon to monatise it
[20:13] <ompaul> sudobash, read the debian wiki
[20:13] <ompaul> read the ubuntu wiki
[20:13] <jpatrick> sudobash: btw, Canonical is responsible for ubuntulog 
[20:13] <ompaul> really high quality stuff - now go read a book and read a man page
[20:13] <ompaul> people put that out there 
[20:13] <Pici> sudobash: Dell and canonical have a partership, and Canonical isnt running some secret experiment on irc.  Theres only one Canonical employee that I know of here and hes crazy.
[20:13] <ompaul> Pici, there is more than one and he ain't crazy 
[20:14]  * nikrud agrees with Pici (there's enough distance between me and the crazy guy)
[20:14] <ompaul> (not that it counts for much coming from me ;-P)
[20:15] <Seveas> ompaul, really? I only see one canonical employee here
[20:15] <ompaul> here
[20:15] <ompaul> hmm
[20:15] <sudobash> well... at least efnet doesnt watch my every move
[20:15] <ompaul> hehe
[20:15] <ompaul> hahahaha
[20:15]  * Pici waves
[20:15] <jpatrick> he has no clue
[20:15] <ompaul> clueless in seattle 
[20:15] <LjL> sudobash, it's really this simple: the channel logs are published on the web for anyone to peruse, and whether they do it for commercial purposes or not is of no direct relevance to us. (after all, the same goes for open source software: you *can* sell it, it's often just stupid to, because everyone can also get it for free; so can they our logs)
[20:15] <jpatrick> oh, damn, everything I say is in the logs
[20:15] <jpatrick> LjL: too late
[20:16] <LjL> as always
[20:16] <LjL> guy makes us waste lots of typing just to part
[20:16] <Pici> LjL: He can just look through the -ops logs later and read it.
[20:16] <jrib> haha
[20:16] <nikrud> he can check the logs later if he's interested, or search irseek
[20:16] <jpatrick> LjL: you can still /msg him
[20:16] <LjL> yeah, and so can everyone else, so that's a bit conforting as to the perceived wastage of typing
[20:16] <ompaul> I invited him 
[20:16] <ompaul> we should all do it
[20:17] <Pici> nah, I dont care anymore.
[20:17] <ompaul> 50 or so messages saying the same thing
[20:17] <ompaul> argh
[20:17] <LjL> ompaul don't suggest that :)
[20:17] <ompaul> LjL, I am not
[20:17] <nikrud> ompaul: you irish are just plain mean
[20:17] <ompaul> but if I was
[20:17] <ompaul> if carlsberg made IRC operators
[20:17] <ompaul> ......
[20:18] <jpatrick> hi chirpsalot, how can we help you tonight?
[20:18] <Pici> s/tonight/this afternoon/
[20:18] <ompaul> jpatrick, you assume timezone ;-)
[20:18] <jpatrick> ompaul: yeah
[20:18] <ompaul> s/afternoon/evening
[20:18] <ompaul> chirpsalot, ?
[20:18] <Seveas> stick with 'today' :)
[20:19] <chirpsalot> jpatrick someone was ranting about how rude ubuntu ops were and stuff
[20:19] <chirpsalot> said you would get kicked sent here
[20:19] <ompaul> where?
[20:19] <chirpsalot> sounds nice though
[20:19] <chirpsalot> sorry for bothering you
[20:19] <chirpsalot> wanted to see if they were truthfull
[20:19] <chirpsalot> thanks for your time :D
[20:19] <ompaul> unlikely
[20:20] <ompaul> hehe that was a bad ording
[20:20] <ompaul> odering
[20:20] <LjL> wording?
[20:20]  * Pici sniffs
[20:20] <Pici> odoring?
[20:20] <ompaul> ordering of evening
[20:20] <ompaul> arrrrrrr
[20:20]  * ompaul tuppz\
[20:20] <ompaul> ordering of events
[20:28] <jpatrick> LjL: was he sudobash?
[20:28] <jpatrick> ah yes
[20:29] <LjL> yes
[20:45] <sudobash> liars
[20:47] <Seveas> too wide?
[20:47] <LjL> i'm tired of saying so, so "no" :P
[20:51] <Myrtti> errrr?
[20:51] <jpatrick> +b *root*
[21:27] <jpatrick> [ emma!n=emma@user-0ccetdl.cable.mindspring.com  ] hi! happy saint patricks day!
[21:27] <jpatrick> ...
[21:31] <jpatrick> (too bad it's actually march 17th, but I don't have the heart to tell her)
[21:32] <Seveas> hehe
[21:34] <jpatrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59743/
[21:34] <jpatrick> it's like Dalnet guys..
[21:34] <Seveas> where's that?
[21:34] <Seveas> spam --> ban
[21:34] <jpatrick> no, it's pm
[21:35] <jpatrick> I'd go mad with user!ident@host in channels
[21:37] <ompaul> jpatrick, well tell her she is wrong
[21:37] <ompaul> she has to accept that she makes mistakes
[21:37] <Seveas> she'll never
[21:37] <Seveas> she's a Ron Paul fan
[21:37] <ompaul> and as the resident paddy I am annoyed at that ;-)  [not at all but there you go]
[21:41] <jpatrick> oh god, it's getting worse -.-
[21:42] <Seveas> how?
[21:42] <jpatrick> she asked me how I got the ops
[21:43] <jpatrick> "I am HUGELY appreciative and impressed that you are a developer"
[21:44] <Seveas> jpatrick, tell her you had to perform sexual activites with some of the operators
[21:44] <Seveas> don't mention a name, just a nationality
[21:44] <jpatrick> hahaha
[21:58] <Gary> I got called a developer the other day too
[21:58] <Gary> maybe by her
[21:58] <Seveas> Gary, you only develop love in #gaygeeks :p
[21:59] <Gary> not since you stopped coming there :'(
[21:59] <Seeker`> :O tis a gary!
[21:59] <Gary> I worked ten hours today
[21:59] <Gary> :'(
[22:00] <Seveas> well, when I saw what they did to me in their 'bad' channel I suddenly didn't feel the need to go there anymore :)
[22:00] <jpatrick> "Do they talk about me in that #ubuntu-ops channel"
[22:00] <jpatrick> S***
[22:01] <Gary> Seveas: well wern't you silly for going in there
[22:01] <Gary> even I stay out of there
[22:01] <Seveas> Gary, I didn't go in there
[22:01] <Seveas> you showed me logs from that place
[22:02] <Gary> ahh, yes, they can be scary
[22:31] <Seveas> hi Chousuke 
[22:31] <Chousuke> hi.
[22:32] <Seveas> what can we do for you today? :)
[22:32] <Chousuke> emma apparently want to plead her case but can't join this channel. Are you willing to unban her and listen? 
[22:32] <Seveas> heh
[22:32] <Chousuke> wants* too
[22:32] <Seveas> we've listened enough to her nonsense (and I don't use that word lightly).
[22:33] <Seveas> you shouldn't be feeding her trolling/paranoia/whatever it is this time
[22:34] <Chousuke> Well, I think she's too prone to making a mountain out of a molehill too. :/
[22:34] <Chousuke> I guess I'm too nice to just watch. :P
[22:34] <Seveas> Chousuke, she's several mountains further than that
[22:34] <Seveas> everest is a molehill compared to her mountain of issues
[22:35] <Chousuke> hmm.
[22:35] <nikrud> Seveas: you are prone to understatement sometimes
[22:35] <Seveas> nikrud, it's hard not to in this case
[22:36] <Seveas> mc44
[22:36] <Seveas> ubotu lies
[22:36] <ubotu> Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[22:36] <nikrud> Seveas: I said understatement, not over ;)
[22:36] <Seveas> I know
[22:37] <Chousuke> She's good at discussing various different subjects though, and has interesting points. as long as you stay away from the subject of privacy on IRC :P
[22:37]  * nikrud hates it when people ignore his jokes
[22:40]  * PriceChild laughs heartily and nikrud 
[22:40]  * PriceChild catches up
[22:41]  * nikrud smiles gratefully
[22:41] <Seveas> Chousuke, chirpsalot is making an awful lot of sense
[22:45] <Chousuke> About emma ranting? I guess.
[22:46] <Seveas> about the situation in general 
[22:47] <Chousuke> I'd very much like to just forget about this situation. :/
[22:48] <Seveas> Chousuke, /part ##ubuntu-uncensored
[22:48] <Seveas> and forget :)
[22:48] <zenwhen> Seveas: I am about to do the same thing
[22:48] <zenwhen> lol
[22:49] <Seveas> zenwhen, just when you promised to talk to us, bad boy :)
[22:49] <zenwhen> I IM'd pricechild
[22:49] <zenwhen> thats enough effort, dontcha think?
[22:49] <zenwhen> :P
[22:49] <Seveas> too much :)
[22:49] <zenwhen> likely
[22:50] <zenwhen> I know more than I wanted to know
[22:50] <zenwhen> I was just trying to be a nice guy and listen to complaints
[22:51] <Seveas> zenwhen, that's laudible but I think you wasted your time :)
[22:51] <zenwhen> Seveas: It wouldnt be the first time. :)
[22:54] <zenwhen> lo
[22:55] <PriceChild> right... I think I'm up to date.
[22:55] <PriceChild> Now for PMs...
[23:48] <LjL-Mobile1> Are you mocking me..?
[23:51] <Seveas> LjL-Mobile1, of course
[23:51] <Chousuke> Picipod sounds cool.
[23:52] <LjL-Mobile1> eh, 1? Don't tell me ljl-mobile is still not timed out since last i used it
[23:54] <LjL-Mobile1> ... That's pretty incredible
[23:54] <LjL-Mobile1> i think i used it like 2 weeks ago
[23:54] <LjL-Mobile1> someone check the idle time?
[23:54] <Seveas> --- [LjL-Mobile] (n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl) : ljl
[23:54] <Seveas> --- [LjL-Mobile] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/
[23:54] <Seveas> --- [LjL-Mobile] is identified to services 
[23:54] <Seveas> --- [LjL-Mobile] idle 148:53:19, signon: Sun Mar  9 20:01:32
[23:54] <Seveas> --- [ljl-mobile] End of WHOIS list.
[23:55] <LjL-Mobile1> baffled
[23:55] <LjL-Mobile1> well ok isn't two weeks but