[01:28] <mitch_> anyone know why dhcp doesn't work on my ath0
[01:29] <x-ip> mitch_: if you dont bring us more information ... its not easy to help you
[01:31] <mitch_> what info do u want
[01:31] <mitch_> I am using madwifi
[01:31] <mitch_> I have the current daily build
[01:31] <mitch_> i mean yesterdays
[01:31] <mitch_> I have a mbp
[01:31] <x-ip> dhclient -d ath0 doesnt give you an up ?
[01:31] <x-ip> ip
[01:31] <mitch_> i need them both up right
[01:31] <mitch_> ok
[01:31] <mitch_> brb
[01:31] <DanaG> Very-new Atheros cards still need ndiswrapper.
[01:32] <mitch_> there is no 64bit xp driver for my card that I know of
[01:32] <mitch_> there is a 64 bit vista driver but ndiswrpaer doesn't support vista
[01:32] <mitch_> brb
[01:32] <Stroganoff> is there no more "low memory mode" in hardy when installing on 64 mb ram?
[01:33] <Stroganoff> my installation stalls at "generating locales", 75%
[01:33] <Stroganoff> constant hard disk activity
[01:34] <mitch_> hi
[01:34] <Stroganoff> hi :))
[01:35] <Stroganoff> i'm creating an install script for a light weight icewm ubuntu
[01:37] <mitch__> that did not work
[01:37] <mitch__> i keep getting errors
[01:37] <mitch__> it told me it was sleeping
[01:40] <mitch__> Anyone know why dhclient won't give my ath0 an ip? I use madwifi
[01:43] <mitch__> This happened after the last update
[01:43] <mitch__> hello
[01:45] <Invisionfree> We're all dead.
[01:47] <mitch__> Poo
[01:47] <mitch__> That's good to hear
[01:49] <mitch__>  How can I remove madwifi modules so i can reinstall them
[02:12] <RichW> Does anyone have a problem in hardy where the mouse doesnt freeze up but all the applications freeze and clicking and pressing keys on keyboard does nothing?
[02:13] <RichW> I really want to use hardy due to new software versions.
[02:13] <RichW> Also, I use nvidia drivers
[02:16] <RAOF> RichW: Welcome to the wonderful world of nvidia.  That happens all the time for me.  Just wait until there's another black flash, and it'll start working again :/
[02:16] <lime4x4> anyone have any good luck with wireless cards that just work?
[02:17] <niocholas_jones> I'm sure this is a very common problem... when I go to expand a window in Ubuntu w/ Gnome , I find it very very difficult to expand it horizontally and vertically because of the fact that the area the mouse has to go over in order to expand the window is to small.  Is there anyway to increase the size of the pixel space that the mouse can go over in order to expand the window?
[02:17] <niocholas_jones> and can someone unbun me from #ubuntu, I should not be banned.
[02:17] <FFForever> Hi ya
[02:18] <FFForever> how come i reported a bug (with my mouse and sound) and they are still active in the latest beta/alpha release (i reported them then gutsy was in beta....)
[02:19] <RAOF> FFForever: Because no one knows how to fix it?  Because it's just got lost in the many, many bugs?
[02:19] <RichW> RAOF: Thanks, You think disabling compiz will help?
[02:19] <FFForever> ive posted on the foums any everything :(, am i going to be stuck on 7.-4 forever?
[02:19] <niocholas_jones> anyone?
[02:20] <RichW> FFForever: Give me link, I will try to help you.. I can program.
[02:21] <RichW> FFForever: Whats wrong?
[02:21] <FFForever> i mute sound, sound still plays, and my mouse goes nuts when i use the scrollers goes out of sync then yeah....
[02:23] <RichW> FFForever: I need more information about your hardware, What sound you have etc?
[02:23] <niocholas_jones> I'm sure this is a very common problem... when I go to expand a window in Ubuntu w/ Gnome , I find it very very difficult to expand it horizontally and vertically because of the fact that the area the mouse has to go over in order to expand the window is to small.  Is there anyway to increase the size of the pixel space that the mouse can go over in order to expand the window?
[02:24] <FFForever> i have a laptop compaw c304nr
[02:24] <RichW> niocholas_jones: I think that would be in the source code.
[02:24] <FFForever> how do i find out my audio card?
[02:25] <niocholas_jones> RichW, where abouts?
[02:25] <niocholas_jones> i know C :P
[02:25] <crimsun> FFForever: lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]
[02:25] <RichW> niocholas_jones: Not sure (yet) maybe gtk.
[02:25] <niocholas_jones> that really needs to be changed
[02:25] <RichW> niocholas_jones: Can you program C?
[02:25] <niocholas_jones> it's very horrible.
[02:25] <niocholas_jones> yes
[02:25] <FFForever> 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 01) Subsystem: 103c:30a5
[02:25] <RichW> niocholas_jones: If you find the code, you can submit a patch.
[02:26] <niocholas_jones> man that is so horrible.
[02:26] <niocholas_jones> I can't even believe they release shit like this
[02:26] <niocholas_jones> it's one of the most used events w/ end-users
[02:26] <RichW> niocholas_jones: Many pieces of high quality software have problems.
[02:26] <RichW> I.e. Flash isnt 64bit
[02:27] <crimsun> FFForever: what's the issue with audio?
[02:27] <FFForever> when i press mute i still hear sound :P
[02:27] <FFForever> inless i mute pcm i think it is
[02:27] <crimsun> FFForever: are you using l-u-m?
[02:27] <FFForever> i mean if i mute master i would think it would mute my sound but that is not the case
[02:27] <FFForever> l-u-m?
[02:27] <crimsun> FFForever: or are you using alsa-modules?
[02:28] <FFForever> i am using the default ubuntu uses?
[02:28] <RichW> FFForever: System --> Preferences --> Hardware Information   you dont have to use the terminal :)
[02:28] <crimsun> FFForever: cat /proc/asound/version
[02:28] <FFForever> all i know is after the releases from 7.0.4 i have never had sound or mouse working right
[02:28] <crimsun> FFForever: (you're using l-u-m, then)
[02:28] <FFForever> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14rc1
[02:29] <crimsun> uhh
[02:29] <crimsun> that's definitely not hardy's kernel
[02:29] <FFForever> its the fawn :P
[02:29] <FFForever> i booted out of the live cd :P
[02:29] <DanaG> WTF?  The power.sh thingy doesn't run on resume!
[02:29] <DanaG> Therefore, even if I set it to disable APM, I find that when I suspend and resume, it goes right back to repeatedly unloading and loading my hard drive's heads.
[02:30] <FFForever> i was testing it at work (i forgot the cd at work sadly though :( so i cant boot it atm)
[02:30] <crimsun> DanaG: hal/hal-info/g-p-m
[02:30] <RichW> FFForever: Get me your sound card from System --> Preferences --> Hardware Information please.
[02:30] <DanaG> Huh?  It's /etc/acpi/power.sh that's not being run, or is just not setting things, on resume.
[02:31] <crimsun> acpi-support hasn't been fixed, so currently it's hal*/g-p-m
[02:31] <crimsun> so, when acpi-support is fixed, you'll no longer have the issue
[02:31] <RichW> FFForever: Is it intel audio?
[02:31] <FFForever> yeah
[02:31] <crimsun> RichW: it's a conexant hda codec
[02:31] <FFForever> 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
[02:32] <RichW> Oh i have ich9
[02:32] <crimsun> FFForever: I need you to boot into a hardy desktop cd, preferably a daily-live (or alpha 6 if you really can't manage)
[02:32] <FFForever> i get no wifi then, ill be back on monday then :)
[02:32] <RichW> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[02:32] <crimsun> FFForever: the solution is really straightforward: use alsa-source
[02:33] <DanaG> I've made it set the drive to -B 255 now;  the one thing I'll try right now:  comment out checkStateChanged.
[02:33] <FFForever> RichW, i have no more blanks or i would just reburn it :)
[02:33] <crimsun> FFForever: I fixed this issue in the alsa-driver source package; you need to install module-assistant, debconf-utils, and alsa-source
[02:33] <niocholas_jones> okay another question, when I press alt+tab, I go to the next application.  I would like to have it so when I press alt+shift+tab it goes back encase I pass the application I was looking for.  How could you do make this possible?
[02:33] <RichW> FFForever: Get a rewriteable dvd, you will love it.
[02:33] <crimsun> FFForever: then just use `sudo m-a clean,a-i alsa-source'
[02:33] <DanaG> I can't boot DVD±RW on my PC.
[02:34] <RichW> Rewritable cd? same thing but less space
[02:34] <RichW> lol
[02:36] <DanaG> Oh, I see: I had put a link to do_power in resume.d, but my symlink was wrong.
[02:36] <crimsun> heh
[02:36] <crimsun> bah, I'll just merge these acpi-support changes locally
[02:36] <niocholas_jones> okay another question, when I press alt+tab, I go to the next application.  I would like to have it so when I press alt+shift+tab it goes back encase I pass the application I was looking for.  How could you do make this possible?
[02:37] <RichW> niocholas_jones: Perhaps compiz can do that, try looking around in compiz plugins?
[02:37] <RAOF> niocholas_jones: Works For Me(tm), in both compiz and metacity.
[02:37] <niocholas_jones> where do I go?
[02:38] <niocholas_jones> System->Appearnce themes?
[02:38] <RichW> niocholas_jones: install compizconfig from applications --> add/remove
[02:39] <RichW> niocholas_jones: you must have 3d graphics of course :)
[02:39] <niocholas_jones> I do :)
[02:39] <niocholas_jones> under which category?
[02:40] <crimsun> RAOF: have you gotten any feedback on the alsa-plugins biarch?
[02:40] <crimsun> ^wmultiarch
[02:40] <RAOF> crimsun: No.  I'm thinking of pinging the bug again, to make sure it's not lost.
[02:40] <crimsun> it's not lost; I'm aware of it, at least.
[02:41] <niocholas_jones> how do I open metacity ?
[02:41] <niocholas_jones> I don't understand what that is but I see it installed
[02:41] <crimsun> I'm probably just going to buy a laptop to test, since this X41 won't really cut it
[02:41] <RAOF> Heh.  No.  I haven't got any other feedback, except that there are a couple of people interested in the Ubuntu bug that it's been linked to. :)
[02:42] <Black_Magic> Ok im back and i fixed everything so can i get help with no internet in Ubuntu
[02:42] <Black_Magic> well Wicd says connected but i cannt browse
[02:43] <Black_Magic> or use anything internet dependant
[02:43] <DanaG> Hmm, what have you changed on your system?
[02:43] <Black_Magic> *dependent
[02:43] <Black_Magic> Err nothing..
[02:43] <Black_Magic> it worked yesturday untill i decided to reboot..
[02:43] <Black_Magic> and then it just said connected and it wasnt working
[02:43] <Black_Magic> that was the first time in a couple weeks that my ubuntu install had wireless internet
[02:44] <RAOF> Black_Magic: wicd isn't in the repositories, unless that's changed recently; this will make it harder for us to help you.  Does it work with Network Manager?
[02:44] <DanaG> er, I meant to address my question to crimsun, about acpi-support.
[02:44] <Black_Magic> RAOF, I cant use encryption with Network-manager and no it was doing same thing
[02:44] <crimsun> DanaG: about the queued changes, or..?
[02:45] <DanaG> You were saying you had applied some changes locally.
[02:46] <Black_Magic> besides use ATI drivers nothing..
[02:46] <Black_Magic> and it was doing same thing when i installed the ATI drivers
[02:46] <RAOF> Black_Magic: Network Manager was saying that you were connected, but you weren't?  (What network card?)
[02:46] <niocholas_jones> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/150702
[02:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150702 in compiz "alt shift tab stopped navigating windows (gutsy)" [Low,Confirmed]
[02:46] <niocholas_jones> found my bug
[02:47] <crimsun> DanaG: no, /going/ to.
[02:47] <Black_Magic> ROAF, Atheros AR5006EG
[02:47] <Black_Magic> Supported by default...well the drivers are in any linux distro i try by default i could just load Ubuntu Live CD and have internet..
[02:47] <Black_Magic> is there a way to reset everything dealing with my network card and internet back to default without re-installing?
[02:49] <RAOF> Black_Magic: Not that I can think of offhand.  It's possible that it's your DNS settings; can you ping anything?
[02:49] <Black_Magic> If i try and ping any IP it says op something not permitted
[02:49] <RAOF> Black_Magic: By IP address, I mean.  For example, (one of) google's is 72.14.253.147
[02:49] <Black_Magic> i tried with sudo still opperation not submitted
[02:49] <Black_Magic> operation not allowed basically
[02:50] <Black_Magic> operation not permitted yea
[02:50] <RAOF> Cool.  Something's awesomely messed up then.
[02:50] <Black_Magic> it like only works when it wants to..
[02:50] <RAOF> Try a livecd, see if that works?
[02:50] <Black_Magic> it does
[02:50] <Black_Magic> any OS besides my Ubuntu install has internet
[02:50] <Black_Magic> thats all linux
[02:50] <Black_Magic> Ubuntu 7.10 Live CD
[02:50] <Black_Magic> internet just need to select unsecured AP because of network-manager glitches
[02:51] <Black_Magic> Backtrack
[02:51] <Black_Magic> Federa ect..
[02:51] <Black_Magic> Im not really up for a reinstall ive put comming up into one year of effort into this install
[02:52] <Black_Magic> and i upgraded for 12hrs..
[02:52]  * RAOF is pretty much stumped.  I'd suggest looking at all the changes that occurred between it working and it not working.
[02:52] <Black_Magic> err
[02:52] <Black_Magic> 5months of changes..
[02:52] <Black_Magic> nice..
[02:52] <RAOF> Oh, it has _never_ worked in Hardy?
[02:53] <RAOF> Does it work on a Hardy livecd?
[02:53] <Black_Magic> it worked
[02:53] <Black_Magic> yesturday in Hardy
[02:53] <Black_Magic> it works when it wants
[02:53] <Black_Magic> then i rebooted in same exact spot
[02:53] <Black_Magic> same Ap
[02:53] <Black_Magic> and it said it was connected but couldnt use internet
[02:53] <Black_Magic> releated programs or ping IPS or www.'s
[02:54] <lsmobrian> could u connect to the AP ex: 192.168.0.1
[02:54] <Black_Magic> Yea
[02:54] <Black_Magic> Iwconfig ifconfig all showed i was connected
[02:54] <Black_Magic> and was assighned an IP
[02:54] <RAOF> I'm tempted to blame wicd, since (IIRC) it touches all your networking related configuration files, but I've never, ever used it.
[02:54] <Black_Magic> i even put OpenDNS DNS Server Ips into my DNS servers
[02:55] <Black_Magic> it was doing same thing before i started using Wicd
[02:55] <Black_Magic> i think it has something to do with the encryption..
[02:55] <Black_Magic> and the way Madwifi Drivers work
[02:56] <RAOF> OK.  It still might be a good idea to try a Hardy livecd, see if it works consitently there.  If it doesn't, then file a bug, probably against whichever package the madwifi drivers are in.
[02:56]  * DanaG still thinks it's silly that "madwifi" modules don't have "mad" or "wifi" anywhere in their names.
[02:56] <DanaG> After all, it's not MADtheros.
[02:56] <Black_Magic> lol
[02:57] <Black_Magic> I tired it Worked
[02:57] <Black_Magic> tried
[02:57] <Black_Magic> i compiled from source
[02:57] <Black_Magic> to see if that was the problem
[02:57] <Black_Magic> After the original ones wernt working
[02:59] <Black_Magic> its annoying Ubuntu is my Main OS now that i dont have Windows..
[03:00] <Black_Magic> When you lean on a Table and then one leg breaks what you left with?
[03:00] <Black_Magic> a table that "almost" Works
[03:00] <crimsun> you could be left with an intact table and a broken leg
[03:00] <crimsun> i.e., you on crutches for a while.
[03:01] <Black_Magic> Yea
[03:01] <Black_Magic> to update or upgrade i litterly have to go to backtrack..
[03:01] <Black_Magic> download all packages needed..
[03:01] <Black_Magic> switch OS
[03:01] <Black_Magic> if i have a problem i need to reboot..
[03:01] <Black_Magic> select backtrack again
[03:01] <DanaG> Try ndiswrapper?
[03:01] <Black_Magic> and then come to the channel
[03:02] <crimsun> it's a good idea to keep either a desktop or alternate installer of each stable, supported release handy
[03:02] <DanaG> I seem to remember hearing that the latest Atheros cards aren't yet supported by ath_hal.
[03:02]  * Black_Magic Callapses at the thought of that also same problem i have it already but for a backup USB adapter
[03:02] <Black_Magic> its Atheros AR5006EG
[03:02] <Black_Magic> its not Atheros AR5007 or anything
[03:02] <Black_Magic> i do keep one i just dont like reinstalling..
[03:03] <DanaG> Argh, btrace is buggy.
[03:03] <DanaG> It stalls after a while, and builds up a "scroll-FORWARD" buffer.
[03:03] <DanaG> Then you hit ctrl-c and it scrolls madly to the end.
[03:03] <DanaG> It also gives obscure errors like "bad fs action 1000"
[03:07] <Black_Magic> so theres no known way to reset Network Related things to default...?
[03:08] <Dr_willis_> what network related things?
[03:09] <xrichard> howdy, whenever I close/open my laptop lid there is an annoyingly loud beep... is this the "system beep?"
[03:09] <Dr_willis_> xrichard,  check the gnome or kde powersaving/powercontrol tools - they normally have settings for what happens when the lid is closed, and other similer things
[03:10] <Dr_willis_> Some people want their system to hybernate when lid closed. others just want the lcd to power off.   theres a lot of things you can change
[03:10] <xrichard> Dr_willis_, I've checked but there is nothing there about a beep
[03:11] <xrichard> And I think there is one beep for closing the lid and one for opening it
[03:11] <Black_Magic> Just Reset the network settings to default..
[03:11] <Dr_willis_> Ive never noticed a beep.  I got no idea.
[03:12] <Dr_willis_> Black_Magic,  thers a lot of different network settings..  so thats still a bit vague. You could remove/purge all the packages I guess that are related to 'networking'
[03:12] <Black_Magic> what exacly does purge do..
[03:12] <Dr_willis_> removes the packages config files also.
[03:12] <Black_Magic> i thought upgrading to hardy would fix it too because
[03:12] <Black_Magic> it installs all new packages..
[03:12] <Dr_willis_> thus whenyou reinstall a package, it reinstalls the original setting files.
[03:13] <Dr_willis_> upgrading packages. often keep the OLD setting files.
[03:13] <DanaG> argh, still doesn't apply settings on resume.
[03:14] <DanaG> I'm getting clicking every 5 seconds.  Those are rather insane defaults by Hitachi.
[03:14] <DanaG> tick....tock....tick....tock...
[03:14] <Dr_willis_> DanaG,  hard drive parking?
[03:14] <DanaG> Yup.
[03:15] <Dr_willis_> I  should of backed up my little config i had on my laptop to disable that..  Ive reinstalled liunux on it.. not sure if its got that issue or not.
[03:16] <DanaG> And why is it that acpi-support sets HDD power management if laptop-mode is enabled?  Shouldn't they just make enabling laptop-mode make laptop-mode take care of it?
[03:17] <Dr_willis_> I recall a lot of threads on that topic.. but never did understand half of what they were flaming each other over. :)
[03:17] <DanaG> I wish it'd either leave the drive busy or leave it idle.... not WAKE SLEEP WAKE SLEEP WAKE SLEEP
[03:18] <DanaG> And pdflush and kblockd keep waking the drive.
[03:18] <Black_Magic> OH all i remeber about
[03:19] <DanaG> Aah, here's one thing: my pidgin logs are on a fat32 partition.
[03:19] <DanaG> Apparently vfat / fat32 is not cached, or something.
[03:19] <DanaG> Handy utility: wmhdplop.
[03:19] <Black_Magic> i remeber what i did before the internet worked
[03:19] <Black_Magic> i had to flush all things related to iptables..
[03:20] <Dr_willis_> iptables --list
[03:20] <Dr_willis_> shows all iptables rules. :)
[03:20] <Dr_willis_> or was it -list,
[03:20] <Black_Magic> i used from a wiki in Ubuntu
[03:20] <Black_Magic> trying to find it..
[03:21] <Black_Magic> How do i use Sprint Cards on Ubuntu
[03:23] <DanaG> Also, if the laptop-mode thingy takes care of both AC and battery, then why is acpi-support stopping the service when on AC?
[03:23] <DanaG> It's like one thing is actively overriding something that should be able to take care of itself.
[03:24] <DanaG> Oh, another odd thing: calling smartctl when the drive is unloaded causes it to load, but only AFTER it returns the old result.  That makes no sense.
[03:25]  * Black_Magic *Screams Hello Am i invisible???*
[03:26] <DanaG> Oh, you mean a WWAN card?  Beats me.
[03:27] <RAOF> Black_Magic: Some of them should Just Work with network manager (particularly if you try the 0.7 packages in that testing PPA), and if it doesn't just work I've got no idea.
[03:27] <Black_Magic> Hmm Where can i re-get network manager packages...
[03:27] <Black_Magic> because i have no way of downloading via synaptics
[03:28] <Black_Magic> in Ubuntu
[03:28] <Black_Magic> and i dont know exactly all packages needed for regular network manager
[03:28] <Black_Magic> with nm-applet ect
[03:28]  * DanaG thinks it's unlucky that Synaptic package manager has a name so close to Synaptics Touchpads.
[03:28] <DanaG> WTF?  It just took literally 15 minutes for Pidgin to realize I had been disconnected from AIM.
[03:28] <DanaG> That's broken.
[03:29] <DanaG> No wait, it was 5.
[03:31] <DanaG> WTF?  Now my brightness controls are broken.
[03:32] <Black_Magic> DanaG
[03:32] <Black_Magic> Dont get WTF Happy :P
[03:40] <DanaG> Oh, and gnome-power-manager also is slow at noticing AC/battery changes.
[03:41] <calc> DanaG: connectivity is relative
[03:42] <calc> DanaG: i've had a voip call not drop even though my DSL line reset
[03:42] <calc> DanaG: it was down for 30s or more and then i was able to continue talking to the other end
[03:43] <calc> DanaG: i imagine AIM is udp based and so its possible the keep alives are really far apart(?) or it could be a bug
[03:43] <DanaG> Oh, and now blktrace is devouring memory like crazy!
[03:43] <DanaG> Lovely.
[03:43] <DanaG> And of course, if I quit it, now I can't start a new blktrace!
[03:46] <DanaG> ARgfh, Transmission bittorrent client doesn't do UPnP.
[03:46] <ethana2> encryption?
[03:46] <ethana2> does it do that?
[03:46] <ethana2> what is UPnP, exactly?
[03:47] <ethana2> Transmission would be amazing if it just did what had to be done
[03:47] <ethana2> it doesn't need to be made any more complicated to do that
[03:48] <ethana2> ..but the codebase would have to be bigger
[03:48] <niocholas_jones> Okay, I have a question about firefox, when I search , I do control+F for search, then if I hit enter, it goes to the next match... my problem is however, if that match is a link, I would like to access that link.  I can currently do this now by searching for the item, hitting escape ( which therefore gets me our of search mode but leave me on the correct link ) , and then pressing enter.  I believe there should be a much better way of accessing,
[03:48] <niocholas_jones>  such as alt+enter or something similar, as I and many people have this exact use-case many times throughout the day.  To currently achieve this is rather asinine and obfuscated.  What is a better way then hitting esc then enter ?
[03:48] <DanaG> UPnP lets it forward ports automatically.
[03:48] <ethana2> ah
[03:48] <hydrogen> niocholas_jones: Using opera, obviously
[03:48] <ethana2> hydrogen: *sob*
[03:49] <niocholas_jones> .........................
[03:49] <niocholas_jones> Opera sucks
[03:49] <niocholas_jones> big time
[03:49] <ethana2> yes.
[03:49] <ethana2> absolutely.
[03:49] <ethana2> (we tried it)
[03:49] <ethana2> proprietary besides
[03:49] <ethana2> ..can't you just click on it?
[03:49] <DanaG> ARgh, the brightness applet sucks.
[03:50] <niocholas_jones> if Opera was good, it would be ubiquitous , as it's not even close to the penetration of FF
[03:50] <DanaG> Oh, and I just suddenly got about 50 keystrokes of brightness control that I had accumulated, now pass through in 2 seconds.
[03:50] <crimsun> DanaG: new g-p-m likely entering.
[03:50] <ethana2> i thank them for scaring IE8 into w3c compliance though
[03:50] <crimsun> (that's up to Ted, though)
[03:50] <niocholas_jones> ethana2: I don't like using the mouse at all
[03:50] <DanaG> Okay, 10 seconds.  It was odd.
[03:50] <ethana2> heh
[03:50] <ethana2> i was wondering that
[03:51] <ethana2> the problem is obviously a horrible one for amputees
[03:51] <ethana2> somebody file it under accessibility
[03:52] <ethana2> ..sorry, had to ;)
[03:52] <ethana2> yeah, having to move a hand to the mouse can slow things down a bit...
[03:52] <ethana2> anyone else here stick to a keyboard-only workflow?
[03:52] <calc> UPnP is nice
[03:52] <calc> DanaG: azureus does it
[03:54] <ethana2> calc: it does /everything/
[03:54] <ethana2> The thing is that it's java
[03:54] <calc> there is a g upnp library
[03:54] <ethana2> and people don't need to /know/ everything it's doing
[03:54] <calc> libgupnp-1.0-0 - GObject-based library for UPnP
[03:54] <calc> so someone could probably hack transmission to use that
[03:54] <RAOF> DanaG: Transmission does do UPnP, at least the log claims that it's succesfully argued UPnP with my router :)
[03:55] <calc> RAOF: ah, yea i was wondering about that since transmission just works for me, which i doubt would be the case if it didn't do upnp
[03:55] <DanaG> Another odd thing: my taskbar is showing all 4 sides of my cube, even though I have it set to show only current.
[03:55] <DanaG> When I click in the pager, I get a "window close" animation on every window.
[03:56] <DanaG> It's like it's set to 4 desktops, not 4 workspaces.
[03:56] <DanaG> So I have four 4-sided cubes.
[03:56] <calc> yea transmission definitely does UPnP, my router shows an entry for it
[03:57] <ethana2> calc: what about encryption?
[03:57] <ethana2> getting past your router is nice, how about your ISP?
[03:57] <DanaG> Port is not open on my router.
[03:57] <calc> ethana2: it has an option "Ignore Unencryped Peers" so it sounds like it does it
[03:58] <ethana2> oh, ok
[03:58] <ethana2> how many levels of it?
[03:58] <calc> ethana2: no idea, read the source :)
[03:58] <ethana2> heh
[03:58] <ethana2> gnome source?
[03:58] <ethana2> C?
[03:58] <calc> transmission source
[03:58] <calc> its probably in c
[03:58] <ethana2> i tried that once, with gnomemines
[03:58] <ethana2> ugghhhh
[03:58] <ethana2> i can't handle C
[03:59] <RAOF> ethana2: Given the way the rest of transmission is done, it probably does full encryption by default.
[03:59] <ethana2> doxygen?
[03:59] <ethana2> oh, ok
[03:59] <calc> ethana2: go back to school? ;-)
[03:59] <ethana2> good
[03:59] <ethana2> calc: ....what?
[03:59] <RAOF> Since transmission seems to be "do the right thing by default" heavy (Yay GNOME philosophy!).
[03:59] <calc> "22:58 < ethana2> i can't handle C" :-)
[03:59] <ethana2> ....
[03:59] <calc> RAOF: heh :)
[03:59] <ethana2> RAOF: good
[04:00] <ethana2> calc: i'm in school.
[04:00] <calc> reading c is much easier than knowing how to write it :)
[04:00]  * calc learned how to write in c by writing linux kernel modules
[04:00] <RAOF> For example, there's the "automatically map port" button, which turns on _all_ the port mapping that takes nearly a full page of Deluge preferences :P
[04:00] <ethana2> and writing C++ is probably easier than knowing how to read C ;)
[04:00] <calc> C++ is evil
[04:00] <ethana2> ^_^
[04:00] <calc> use python instead
[04:00] <ethana2> hmm....
[04:01] <RAOF> ethana2: Writing C++ is often substantially easier than _reading_ C++. :)
[04:01] <calc> and no writing C++ is not easier than reading C
[04:01] <ethana2> cd /usr bin && ls | grep python
[04:01] <ethana2> RAOF: ah
[04:01] <calc> RAOF: but easier than reading perl ;)
[04:01] <ethana2> *sigh*
[04:01] <RAOF> calc: It depends on how much of C++ you want to use, of course.
[04:01] <ethana2> ...which is why i use bash and run python as a calculator
[04:01]  * calc thinks everything is easier than reading perl ;-)
[04:02]  * RAOF recalls a thread in which a C++ proponent wrote an XML parser generator in templates.
[04:02] <RAOF> _That_ ^^^ is not easier to read than perl :P
[04:02] <calc> hehe
[04:03] <RAOF> ~200KLOC for a generic parser generator that this guy was using to illustrate the awesomeness of C++ :P
[04:03] <crimsun> you know LOC ain't a measure.  He could probably have done it all on one.
[04:04] <ethana2> 'using hotkeys is faster than linking libraries'
[04:04] <ethana2> ctrl+c...
[04:04] <ethana2> ctrl+v....
[04:04] <RAOF> Of course :)
[04:04] <ethana2> ^_^
[04:04] <RAOF> The _real_ measure of C++ code complexity is the number of days gcc takes to build it, of course :)
[04:05] <ethana2> ...days?
[04:05] <jonathan_> !info wine
[04:05] <ubotu> wine (source: wine): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.57-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 11224 kB, installed size 52732 kB
[04:05] <RAOF> ethana2: Usually, but not always, this is a number between 0 and 1 :)
[04:05] <ethana2> RAOF: heh
[04:05] <ethana2> *cough* gnash
[04:06] <jonathan_> !info gnash
[04:06] <ubotu> gnash (source: gnash): free SWF movie player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 328 kB, installed size 1000 kB
[04:06] <jonathan_> :o
[04:06] <ethana2> maybe we're just real wimps
[04:06] <calc> even OOo only takes a few hours to build
[04:06] <ethana2> they link to some library that needs to be compiled
[04:06] <calc> and its a big mess of c++ and java
[04:06] <ethana2> i think it took something like that
[04:06] <ethana2> 4 hours maybe
[04:06] <ethana2> 'course, that was on a ps3
[04:07] <ethana2> maybe it didn't have enough RAM to do it elegantly
[04:07] <Foxamemnon> Hello.  I'm looking for some help getting Hardy to properly suspend/hibernate on my desktop machine.
[04:08] <DanaG> odd, g-p-m is not getting my brightness keys.
[04:08] <DanaG> Here's my impression of the closed-source flash:
[04:08] <DanaG> *segfault*
[04:08] <calc> lol
[04:08] <ethana2> DanaG: yes, you've said
[04:08] <calc> it does that often to me
[04:08] <ethana2> Wanna hear my apt-get remove chuck-norris joke?
[04:09] <ethana2> apt-get: FATAL ERROR: You don't remove chuck-norris; chuck-norris removes you
[04:09] <ethana2> core dumped
[04:09] <ethana2> that's the brief version, of course ^_^
[04:10] <Foxamemnon> The machine will actually suspend/hibernate okay.  But when I turn it back on, near the end of the process I just get a blank screen.  The machine isn't totally dead, though, because if I CTRL+ALT+DEL I can actually do a proper reboot.
[04:10] <ethana2> what about ctrl+alt+backspace?
[04:11] <Foxamemnon> That didn't help, nor did Ctrl+alt+F# to switch consoles.  I'm using the Nvidia binary driver... could this perhaps be an issue with it?
[04:11] <ethana2> very possible, yes
[04:11] <Foxamemnon> I guess I'm just not sure where to look for hints on what the machine is/isn't doing when it comes back up.
[04:11] <ethana2> i'd go to #nvidia and see if anyone else has your problem
[04:12] <ethana2> or perhaps ask on #xorg
[04:12] <ethana2> or both, you know, whatever
[04:13] <Foxamemnon> Okay, I'll ask around.
[04:19] <virtuald> ethana2: in reference to your previous comment about compiles taking between 0 and 1 days, apparently you've never used gentoo ;)
[04:19] <ethana2> virtuald: nope
[04:20] <ethana2> virtuald: i don't think desktop distros should ship with a compiler
[04:20] <jscinoz> is hardy going to have ooffice 2.4?
[04:20] <ethana2> it should be in repos
[04:20] <virtuald> lol
[04:20] <jscinoz> heresy!
[04:20] <ethana2> compile once, distribute binaries
[04:21] <ethana2> heck, compile 50 times, distribute binaries
[04:21] <virtuald> as long as theres an option for compiling my own, im happy
[04:21] <ethana2> gentoo is singularly responsible for global warming
[04:21] <virtuald> haha
[04:21] <ethana2> yes, that option, that freedom..
[04:21] <ethana2> vital
[04:21]  * jscinoz points at apt, go get your binaries :P
[04:21] <ethana2> ...but it shouldn't have to be common practice
[04:21] <ethana2> yes.
[04:21] <virtuald> i still use gentoo on my router
[04:21] <DanaG> Actually, Intel P4 is a large part of the world's energy usage.
[04:21] <virtuald> i was using it on my carputer
[04:21] <DanaG> Most likely.
[04:21] <ethana2> well netburst, yeah
[04:21] <virtuald> but, i switched to ubuntu
[04:22] <virtuald> cuz i got sick of 4-hour upgrades
[04:22] <virtuald> lol
[04:22] <jscinoz> i loved my old router with openwrt on it but openwrt doesnt work on my new one :(
[04:22] <ethana2> i'm actually running a 2.8GHz netburst with 128
[04:22] <DanaG> At the very least, they could've done the world a favor by putting frickin' SpeedStep in the P4!
[04:22] <ethana2> KB of L2..
[04:22] <ethana2> DanaG: AMEN
[04:22] <DanaG> But nooooooo, we want to waste energy EVEN WHEN IDLE!
[04:22]  * jscinoz enables hyperthreading on centrino duo, i can has 4 logical cores!
[04:22] <virtuald> i use dual PIII's for my router
[04:22] <DanaG> That's entirely ignoring the 'netburst sucks" part.
[04:22] <virtuald> works pretty well
[04:23] <jscinoz> thats pretty beefy for a router :P
[04:23] <ethana2> jscinoz: they come in pretty pathetic varieties
[04:23] <ethana2> my router crashes every day
[04:23] <DanaG> Once I compared a Dual P3-650 to my Athlon XP 2.0GHz; the P3 was actually way way more responsive.
[04:23] <jscinoz> >_<
[04:23] <ethana2> it's like, what'd they put on it, WinCE?
[04:23] <virtuald> DanaG: yeah
[04:23] <virtuald> definitely
[04:23] <jscinoz> Linksys routers are awesome
[04:23] <jscinoz> ability to run linux on them = win
[04:23] <ethana2> eHome :(
[04:24] <virtuald> my current desktop is an athlon 3000, and my old PIII's were way more responsive
[04:24]  * DanaG runs a dd-wrt router.  Yay, Buffalo.  Boo, the injunction against them.
[04:24] <DanaG> If I were in that court, I would've said to the Australian group who sued them:
[04:24] <jscinoz> WRT350N v2 >_< yay for different chipset = no ddwrt
[04:25] <DanaG> "You can't just sue Buffalo.  Either sue EVERYBODY who uses the thing, or sue nobody.  Don't pick on just one company!"
[04:25] <jscinoz> oh hi microsoft >_<
[04:26] <ethana2> microsoft: hai! i can has soul?
[04:27] <jscinoz> NO!
[04:27] <jscinoz> no soup for you :P
[04:27] <ethana2> There are two kinds of people in the world: those who agree to EULA's
[04:27] <ethana2> and those who don't tolerate them
[04:27] <jscinoz> and those who value freedom
[04:27] <jscinoz> aww
[04:27] <siriusnova> or those that dont care
[04:27] <siriusnova> :(
[04:27] <ethana2> yes.
[04:28] <jscinoz> :( something im packaging for debian has to display a EULA :( yay for upstream using the old quake 3 sdk eula >_<
[04:39] <axisys> is there a solaris preap like command for ubuntu to kill defunct processes?
[04:42] <Stroganoff> "killall firefox"?
[05:05] <virtuald> i have the craziest problem with my touchscreen right now
[05:06] <x-ip> hi ... there is a known problem with nvidia legacy driver ? what is happen is that the system freezes when i play a movie
[05:19] <Black_Magic> Back....im on a diff computer....
[05:19] <Black_Magic> anyone else have problems with opening things like gedit with sudo gedit <insert filename here> or gksudo anything
[05:19] <Black_Magic> its like it takes 10mins just to load it..
[05:20] <Black_Magic> or it wont load at all
[05:20] <Black_Magic> but if i just type gedit it loads instantly
[05:20] <Black_Magic> gedit <filename here> it will load does gedit have the unlock feature also??
[05:24] <jscinoz> ugh
[05:24] <jscinoz> i need a clean reinstall >_< my system is so borked right now
[05:27] <slavik> so, I need to install the nvidia driver, but the default gcc now is 4.2, what is the proper way to set the CC environment variable to use 4.1?
[05:28] <slavik> is it "CC=gcc-4.1 sudo sh NVIDIA-driver" ???
[05:29] <Dr_willis_> im not sure that setting those befor a sudo, is proper
[05:29] <Dr_willis_> mey be easier to get a root shell, and to it without the sudo
[05:30] <slavik> k, I was thinking the same, going to try it :)
[05:30] <NineTeen67Comet> HI all .. which nvidia-glx install is the current one for a N6800 card? I'm playing with Hardy and a few full-upgrades ago nvidia said see'ya (I've still got single monitor no compiz though) ..
[05:30] <Dr_willis_> its amazing how different getting used to 'sudo' vs other disrtos with just 'su' can be...
[05:31] <Dr_willis_> NineTeen67Comet,  check your kernel you are using. i recall the -386 kernel getting installed.. and breaking my nvidia drivers.
[05:31] <Dr_willis_> i had to remove that kernel, and use the -generic, then reinstall the drivers
[05:31] <NineTeen67Comet> aha .. should I drop back to the generic then?
[05:31]  * NineTeen67Comet answered ^
[05:32] <ionstorm> is there any performance difference for the -386 kernel?
[05:32] <ionstorm> i have a p4 hyperthread
[05:32] <Flannel> 386 is there if the generic kernel doesn't work
[05:33]  * NineTeen67Comet off to reboot/restart X .. thanks Dr_willis_
[05:33] <Flannel> It does sell runtime optimizations, some of which would cause problems on early processors.
[05:33] <Flannel> less, not sell.
[05:44] <Black_Magic> Ok i think i found the problem..
[05:44] <Black_Magic> when i did dmesg when connected "supposably
[05:46] <Black_Magic> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59792/
[06:00] <slavik`lap> looks like it doesn't want to load the module :(
[06:01] <DanaG> Anybody see a need for a laptop with 8 gigs of RAM?
[06:02] <slavik`lap> yes ... to break someone's back
[06:02] <DanaG> http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&ProductLineId=539&FamilyId=2623&BaseId=23735&jumpid=re_R2515_store/smProdCat/PSG/notebooks/HP_8510w_notebook_CFG9
[06:02] <DanaG> s/back/bank/
[06:03] <DanaG> $1270 for that over the base 1x2GB.
[06:03] <slavik`lap> dana, I meant back ...
[06:03] <slavik`lap> not bank ;)
[06:03] <DanaG> 15", actually.
[06:03] <slavik`lap> -> Kernel module load error: insmod: error inserting './usr/src/nv/nvidia.ko':
[06:03] <slavik`lap>    -1 Invalid module format
[06:03] <slavik`lap> then I need a better job
[06:04] <calc> DanaG: i have 4gb and use it
[06:04] <calc> DanaG: well the 3.4gb it lets me see in 32bit
[06:04] <slavik`lap> 8gb on a desktop :)
[06:05] <calc> of course i'm not a typical user, compiling openoffice and testing it on several different OS at the same time
[06:07] <DanaG> Oh, and you can also choose FreeDOS and save 75 bucks.
[06:07] <DanaG> And they reveal the interesting rules behind the stickers.
[06:07] <DanaG> For example, if you get Intel wifi, you must get a Centrino sticker.
[06:08] <Black_Magic> me?
[06:08] <calc> DanaG: you sure you are reading the rules for stickers right? ;-)
[06:08] <Black_Magic> was afk soz
[06:08] <DanaG> Try selecting various stuff on that page.
[06:08] <Black_Magic> So anyone read my post...?
[06:08] <slavik`lap> omfg, no 24-14 headers?!
[06:08] <calc> DanaG: to be centrino you must use intel cpu/chipset/wifi, yes
[06:09] <calc> DanaG: oh i see you can select what level of 'sticker' you want ;-)
[06:11] <calc> DanaG: hp is screwed up
[06:12] <calc> DanaG: it won't let you not buy windows if you want an intel wifi
[06:12] <DanaG> That's odd.
[06:12] <DanaG> Are you sure?  I'll check that.
[06:12] <calc> freedos requires 'core 2 duo' label but that label won't let you have intel wifi
[06:12] <calc> their requirements are screwed up i think
[06:13] <calc> iirc centrino marketing only requires (or used to) that it be intel cpu/chipset/wifi
[06:13] <DanaG> That IS screwed up.
[06:14] <Dr_willis_> Marketing trumps  Innovation!
[06:14] <calc> and you can't buy 8GB ram unless you get window
[06:14] <ethana2> Actually marketing makes business look like innovation
[06:14] <ethana2> ask apple
[06:16] <DanaG> I guess you'd have to call them to get around that screwyness.
[06:16] <slavik`lap> hmm, why would updte-grub not update the boot lis?
[06:18] <slavik`lap> turns out the reason I couldn't install the nvidia driver is because my old kernel would get loaded and update-grub didn't actually update proper files
[06:18] <DanaG> Odd, I just had a whole bunch of random brightness actions happen.
[06:19] <DanaG> Gnome-Power-Manager is all screwed up, apparently.
[06:19] <Dr_willis_> I noticed update-grub and the menu.lst got a little confused last week for me. and dident add the new kernels.
[06:19] <calc> DanaG: hopefully it isn't your backlight going out
[06:19] <calc> DanaG: was it just flickering or did you see something in the OS too?
[06:19] <DanaG> Nope, it's a software issue.
[06:19] <DanaG> I also got the brightness OSD from my BIOS.
[06:19] <calc> oh ok
[06:19] <DanaG> That's a nifty feature: no matter what OS you use, there's a brightness bar-graph thingy.
[06:20] <ethana2> does hardy have anything with a really recent webkit in repos?
[06:20] <RAOF> ethana2: Nope.
[06:20] <ethana2> something around 85 or higher on ACID3 kind of recent?
[06:20] <ethana2> oh, ok
[06:21] <ethana2> Is now a good time for update running?
[06:22] <ethana2> No one having anything explode on them?
[06:22]  * DanaG wonders how readable 147DPI would be.
[06:22] <slavik`lap> ssh owns
[06:22] <calc> DanaG: depends on if your software supports dpi properly (so probably not good)
[06:24] <virtuald> anyone have any idea on the status of ubuntu-mobile edition?
[06:25]  * Dr_willis_ waits for the Ubuntu-toasteroven edition.
[06:25] <virtuald> i was looking at the demo screenshots, and it seemed like it would be the perfect interface for my carputer...
[06:26] <virtuald> however, despite looking nice, it doesn't appear to be all that usable
[06:26] <virtuald> like, some stuff works
[06:26] <virtuald> but, other stuff... not so much
[06:26] <virtuald> lol
[06:26] <virtuald> like the media player crashes when trying to load a file :)
[06:26] <Dr_willis_> ssh into your car and apt-get upgrade MPG
[06:26] <Dr_willis_> :)
[06:28] <virtuald> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[06:28] <virtuald> :(
[06:30] <slavik`lap> night all
[06:35] <wxPython> hello
[06:35] <wxPython> any news about Hardy?
[06:35] <ethana2> wxPython: like what?
[06:36] <wxPython> like which bugs have been fixed?
[06:36] <ethana2> hmm
[06:36] <compbrain> Too many to count
[06:36] <ethana2> pretty much, yeah
[06:37] <compbrain> I'm using hardy on all of my workstations, nothing seriously broken (missed the libc fun times)
[06:37] <ethana2> good for you
[06:37] <ethana2> ...firefox 3 still behaves erratically
[06:37] <ethana2> when you right click on links all the time
[06:37] <wxPython> is Wine 0.9.57 going to be the installed package in Ubuntu 8.04?
[06:38] <wxPython> is the package Wine (version 0.9.57) going to be the installed in Ubuntu 8.04?
[06:38] <compbrain> ethana2: I've been ok with f3. Main issue for me is if you enter a URL with matches in your history, it will choose the URL under your mouse not the current contents of the address bar when you press enter
[06:38] <wxPython> the very latest version that is
[06:39] <wxPython> compbrain please report that bug
[06:39] <ethana2> compbrain: that's ...yeah
[06:39] <virtuald> compbrain: it does that in FF2 in windows too
[06:39] <ethana2> report that if it's not already in a bug tracker
[06:39] <wxPython> so that's a regression bug
[06:39] <wxPython> you must report it, really
[06:39] <ethana2> never assume something is known already
[06:39] <wxPython> report it and hopefully someone will address it really fast ;)
[06:39] <ethana2> that's a bad assumption to make
[06:40] <wxPython> yeah
[06:40] <wxPython> and even if this was already reported, it is okay as well
[06:40] <virtuald> its been doing that in windows for... a very long time, i can't actually remember when it hasn't
[06:40] <wxPython> as long as you want to make the app better, it's okay ;)
[06:40] <virtuald> kinda annoying, but was never annoying enough to file a bug report :p
[06:41] <wxPython> so this bug hasn't been reported yet
[06:41] <wxPython> then please report it asap
[06:41] <wxPython> it's a cruical thing that you do
[06:41] <ethana2> as an alpha tester
[06:41] <ethana2> that's why you're here
[06:41] <wxPython> yeah
[06:41] <wxPython> listen to ethana2 here
[06:41] <ethana2> by the way, if you file a new bug, give me the link
[06:42] <virtuald> i agree, but i actually haven't used firefox on ubuntu yet
[06:42] <virtuald> lol
[06:42] <wxPython> if you're using the alpha, your job is to report a bug if you find one
[06:42] <ethana2> that could be what it does to me, and i'm so annoyed by a more major one it never occurred to me
[06:42] <compbrain> I found a bug report, let me see if I can find it..
[06:42] <wxPython> compbrain ok
[06:42] <ethana2> do they need anything from me?  confirmation?
[06:42] <compbrain> ethana2: I don't think I've seen that pre-ff3
[06:44] <compbrain> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/181575
[06:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181575 in firefox-3.0 "pressing Enter in URL bar selects mouse hover target in substring-search pop-down" [Medium,Fix committed]
[06:45] <compbrain> I guess it's been fixed in the latest push
[06:47] <virtuald> hopefully it gets pushed upstream then
[06:47] <root_> Hmm Who wants to put Linux on a Toaster so itl host a server while it deals out you a hot and yummy pieace of cooked bread..
[06:47] <compbrain> virtuald: I believe it was fixed in mozilla upstream
[06:47] <compbrain> virtuald: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408723
[06:48] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 408723 in XUL Widgets "always use the input field's value when pressing enter in an autocomplete field (e.g. URL bar)" [Normal,Verified: fixed]
[06:57] <virtuald> hm
[06:58] <virtuald> not in the version i have :-p
[06:58] <virtuald> well
[06:58] <virtuald> hm
[06:58] <virtuald> i guess it is
[06:58] <virtuald> though, if you move the mouse, then it still selects it
[06:58] <virtuald> so as long as you dont move the mouse, you're good
[06:58] <jscinoz> "You have moved the mouse, windows must be restarted for the change to take effect"
[06:59] <jscinoz> :P
[06:59] <user5> lol
[07:00]  * virtuald has to reboot cuz moving mouse
[07:01] <jscinoz> is OO 2.4 in hardy?
[07:19] <DanaG> Ugh, something just started spamming me with random brightness flickering, and then the laptop randomly went into sleep.
[07:22] <J-_> Not sure if I should ask here or #ubuntu. But, I'm using Hardy. How can I reset my external hard drive so that I can only view what's on it and if I want to put something on it, I'd have to sudo the command?
[07:24] <stefano> hi
[07:25] <stefano> i adrian, so you wanted to know about features?
[07:25] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, yea
[07:25] <DanaG> .... and now it flickered again, and then Xorg crashed.
[07:25] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, so is persistence fixed in this one
[07:26] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, is it also sweeter(no iffy apps on the live CD--such as doc manager---its just deadly slow with PDFs)
[07:26] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, yes most defentetly
[07:26] <stefano> to both
[07:26] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, cant wait lol
[07:26] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, you see the features of ubuntu are mostly defined by the upstreams
[07:27] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, i dont understand?
[07:27] <stefano> so in 8.04 you get gnome 2.22, which gives you a whole lot (release notes: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.22/ )
[07:27] <stefano> upsreams are all of the different programs that ship with ubuntu
[07:27] <stefano> so if, for example, your gnome desktop now ships with cheese, that means that ubuntu does as well. so in ubuntu 8.04 you have cheese (which is somewhat like photobooth)
[07:28] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, the gnome 2.22 looks amazing, which, means that ubuntu 8.04 will look amazing
[07:28] <adrian_2002ca> i also like the google cal
[07:28] <stefano> exactly
[07:29] <stefano> thats the upsreams business
[07:29] <stefano> also, 8.04 will ship with firefox 3
[07:29] <adrian_2002ca> thats a given :P
[07:29] <kalatian> speaking of firefox 3, when is it going to be released?
[07:29] <stefano> which, if you start it, might blow off your head because it's so awesome, so be careful :>
[07:29] <stefano> 8.04 will ship the beta of ff3 because it's a long term support release
[07:30] <stefano> i think it should be ready be the end of spring or something, not sure
[07:30] <adrian_2002ca> head in the process of being blown...10...20...30% and counting lol
[07:31] <adrian_2002ca> HEYYY....wheres Romanian in the gnome internationalization list....:(
[07:32] <adrian_2002ca> lol...its ok...i dont mind...i understand computers in english anyway
[07:32] <stefano> the main reason why i love ff3, and i hae to say i didnt use firefox before, i was using epiphany, is that it ships gecko 1.9, which has greatly improved on font rendering since it now uses glade and all the other xorg fun stuff
[07:32] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, i think that 8.04 will be available in romanian
[07:32] <stefano> or was it? i'm not sure
[07:33] <adrian_2002ca> lol...its ok...just jokin
[07:34] <adrian_2002ca> i hope they keep pigdin tho, so far i like it
[07:34] <stefano> i looked it up, it will be available in romanian
[07:34]  * DanaG wonders if the brightness sensors on the HP laptops are userspace-accessible.
[07:34] <adrian_2002ca> wow...truly amazing 8-)
[07:34] <kalatian> i don't think pidgin is going anywhere
[07:34] <stefano> sure, i just wonder if there will be pidgin 2.4 in hardy of if they'll stick with .3.x
[07:35] <stefano> the 2.3 is amazingly stable though, but its also quite a memory hog to use (90mb currently)
[07:35] <adrian_2002ca> also, im wondering if theyll make it so that u can experience visual styles on live cd
[07:36] <adrian_2002ca> probably not(ram issues i presume)
[07:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> adrian_2002ca, u mean compiz?
[07:36] <adrian_2002ca> yea
[07:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> adrian_2002ca, compiz is enable if u have intel chips
[07:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> with livecd
[07:36] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, the latest gnome version now has build in compositing manager right in metacity, so that you don't even need compiz to have some tranparency goign on, which is nice because compiz is horror on slow machines
[07:36] <adrian_2002ca> [Hardy]TuTUXG, ive been on livecd for 5 days tryin to do it and i get an error
[07:37] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, ur making me drool :P
[07:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> however, with nvidia or ati card u won't get the effects just runing the livecd since the drivers can not be integrated with the livecd
[07:37] <adrian_2002ca> [Hardy]TuTUXG, that explains it
[07:37] <adrian_2002ca> [Hardy]TuTUXG, ati card
[07:38] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> adrian_2002ca, ya, u have to install ubuntu onto ur hd and enable the driver
[07:38] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, as i said, the integrated compositing is nothing fancy, but it improves usability a lot, i'm using it whilst having a nice video card . i don't like the compiz bling
[07:39] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, ya, i understand, the thing i love about ubuntu is its simpleness but the posibility of crazyness
[07:39] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, since youre on live cd anyways, you could download the latest testing version and boot it up to see some of the goodness. but i'm not sure wheter there are live cds for alpha versions
[07:39] <ompaul> which package is the logon screen / theme attached to
[07:39] <DanaG> argh, g-p-m is way broken.
[07:39] <ompaul> I haz bugz that need reportin
[07:39] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, hehe, yes thats one of the big paradigms of linux, let the user do what he wants
[07:39] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, whats the terminal command>?
[07:40] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, for what?
[07:40] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, to get the alpha version running
[07:40] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, you cant do it on a running system
[07:40] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, you would have to download another live cd and boot it up
[07:40] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, i feel like such a noob...lol
[07:41] <stefano> but as i said, i dont know wheter there are live cds available for the alpha or not
[07:41] <stefano> what the heck
[07:41] <stefano> the input field on google just dissappeared
[07:41] <stefano> lol
[07:41] <stefano> *blip and it was gone
[07:41] <stefano> ya firefox 3 is amazing
[07:41] <stefano> lol
[07:42] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, got any advice on watchin a tv tuner card that only has mce playability...is that possible?
[07:42] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha6 take a look at this page
[07:43] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, support for tv tuner cards is improved in hardy as well. you can now use it in totem if you just want to watch something
[07:43] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, if you want to set up something like Windows Media Center, there is MythTV (which is imo a lot better than windows media center)
[07:43] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, cool...and mythtv can detect in general any card?
[07:44] <stefano> you can even access the media center from all the pcs in your house, even PDAs if youre hardcore :>
[07:44] <adrian_2002ca> lol...lets seee then
[07:45] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, a lot of cards work, but not all. the manufacturers don't ship linux drivers yet, some of em do, but not many. but in general a lot of the cards work. if you already have one. see if it works, if youre going to buy one, check the forums first,
[07:45] <adrian_2002ca> kk, so how do i install myth?>
[07:46] <adrian_2002ca> do i do frontend or backend>?
[07:46] <stefano> well i
[07:46] <stefano> dont know actually
[07:46] <stefano> :>
[07:46] <stefano> wait a second
[07:46] <adrian_2002ca> iuts ok
[07:46] <adrian_2002ca> think i got it
[07:46] <stefano> it's not so easy
[07:46] <adrian_2002ca> from the myth website
[07:47] <stefano> you need a mysql server first, then you need to set it up with mysqladmin -u root password yoursecretpassword
[07:47] <stefano> then you install mythtv, mythtv-backend and mythtv-frontend
[07:47] <adrian_2002ca> lol...i think ur right...lol
[07:48] <stefano> while installing it should give you a password which you ought to write down
[07:48] <stefano> that should do the trick i thin
[07:48] <stefano> oh now i'm goign to try mythtv myself
[07:48] <stefano> :>
[07:48] <adrian_2002ca> stefano, thanx...sounds complicated......well linux has taken over my life tonite too...its 3.40am...im goin to sleep lol
[07:48] <adrian_2002ca> msg me an tell me what happens
[07:49] <stefano> i don't want to use mysql for it, i'd rather use sqlite
[07:49] <stefano> :\
[07:49] <stefano> well whatever
[07:50] <adrian_2002ca> i jus hit install anyway...if this crashes my machine o well....
[07:50] <adrian_2002ca> thank god for live
[07:50] <stefano> it won't
[07:50] <adrian_2002ca> its big...usually when i install something big(amarok) i run out of ram
[07:50] <adrian_2002ca> space
[07:50] <stefano> mysql is enterprise grade software, it is damn stable, damn secure and all that, but it is not the best option just for mythtv,
[07:51] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, how much ram do you have?
[07:51] <adrian_2002ca> 1 gig
[07:51] <adrian_2002ca> lol
[07:51] <stefano> 1gig should be plenty
[07:51] <adrian_2002ca> oh look at that
[07:51] <adrian_2002ca> 1 gig in total
[07:51] <stefano> well it's the live cd that fills your ram i guess
[07:51] <adrian_2002ca> it only sets apart like 256 mb for the
[07:51] <adrian_2002ca> filesystem
[07:53] <adrian_2002ca> look its installing mysql
[07:53] <stefano> in my day work, i usually have about a gig of ram filled up, and i'm not using the live cd
[07:54] <stefano> but thats because i use inkscape and gimp a lot, also anjuta and lighttpd, which are all quite memory intense
[07:54] <jscinoz> 4gb of ram + virtualisation = fun
[07:54] <stefano> adrian_2002ca, here's a tip, if you are watching youtube videos, close your browser (every browser window) once in while :>
[07:55] <stefano> jscinoz, if i buy 4gigs, can i still use 32bit and have it completely recognized?
[07:55] <stefano> i'm actually contemplating 8gb for my desktop
[07:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stefano, not likely
[07:55] <jscinoz> i'm runnign 64bit :P
[07:56] <stefano> jscinoz, is 64bit as bad as they say in the forums?
[07:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stefano, 32bit will only be able to recognize a little bit more than 3 gig of ram
[07:56] <jscinoz> not too bad
[07:56] <jscinoz> flash is annoying to get working
[07:57] <stefano> well but if you got it working it runs and you dont have to bother with it anymore, thats not a big issue i suppose
[07:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> running 32 bit version of firefox if u want adobe flash on 64 bit
[07:57] <stefano> oh by the way
[07:57] <stefano> virtualisation doesnt work for me right now
[07:57] <jscinoz> what are you trying to use for it?
[07:57] <stefano> it says i have to recompile the kernel module (virtualbox that is) and if i do so, it returns an erro
[07:57] <stefano> r
[07:58] <jscinoz> hmm
[07:58] <stefano> and it points me to a file where the error message is supposed to be in
[07:59] <stefano> but i never bothered to look at the file
[08:00] <stefano> there are a bunch of errors
[08:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stefano, hardy?
[08:00] <stefano> yes
[08:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> 32 bit or 64 bit
[08:01] <stefano> 32
[08:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stefano, how did u install vbox?
[08:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stefano, from the repo?
[08:01] <stefano> [Hardy]TuTUXG, i installed it about one and a half years ago from the repositories
[08:01] <stefano> or did i?
[08:02] <stefano> i'm going to reinstall it, maybe that'll help
[08:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stefano, the open source version is in the universe repo
[08:02] <stefano> [Hardy]TuTUXG, i think i haved the closed source version
[08:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stefano, and also i think u may want to check the version, the latest one should be 1.4.5
[08:03] <stefano> too late :>
[08:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stefano, i used the close source one on hardy before and it works fine
[08:04] <stefano> well as i said, my installation is pretty old, so i suppose it had some feisty blobs on it that vbox didnt like
[08:04] <stefano> i'll just upgrade (i use this term thoughtfully) to the open source version
[08:04] <stefano> :>
[08:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> dont forget to remove the current one
[08:04] <stefano> sure already done
[08:05] <adrian_2002c1> this is how long it took to reboot on a live cd...impressive
[08:05] <stefano> wow
[08:05] <stefano> firefox is using 684 megs of ram
[08:06] <stefano> impressive
[08:06] <adrian_2002c1> windows lags compared to this lol
[08:06] <adrian_2002c1> stefano, huh?
[08:06] <adrian_2002c1> stefano, u sure ur not smokin a fox lol?
[08:07] <stefano> i'm not smoking anything that was made from animals, am a vegan smoker
[08:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stefano, ff2?
[08:07] <stefano> no, 3beta4
[08:07] <adrian_2002c1> haha...thats nice
[08:07] <stefano> it may as well use i gig, i dont care
[08:07] <stefano> at least a lot of stuff seems to be cached right
[08:07] <stefano> ono it says i have to restart
[08:08] <adrian_2002c1> stefano, o well...part of beta lol
[08:08] <stefano> well i take this opportunity to bring my laptop into my office and hook it up to the 24" screen, for which i would have to reboot anyways. so, i'll be back in 10mins see ya
[08:09] <adrian_2002c1> later
[08:15] <stefano> back again
[08:15] <stefano> i just found an iPod sock, no idea where it comes from
[08:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ipod sock?
[08:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[08:16] <stefano> you know, those colourful socks apple sells your for 30 dollars
[08:16] <stefano> i never bought them but now i have one, strange...
[08:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> never been in a apple store :(
[08:16] <stefano> apple is taking over my office by placing their products around it, secretly trying to convert me
[08:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> that's sweet
[08:17] <stefano> i wish they'd placed a mac pro under my desk instead of a sock
[08:17] <stefano> lol
[08:18] <stefano> wb
[08:18] <stefano> ono
[08:18] <stefano> i have a problem with my sound :(
[08:19] <stefano> could not find any gstreamer plugins or devices
[08:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the only way apple could convince me is to support their damn os to run on a pc
[08:19] <stefano> [Hardy]TuTUXG, a mac is a pc
[08:19] <stefano> so it runs on pcs
[08:19] <stefano> basially
[08:19] <stefano> :>
[08:19] <stefano> +c
[08:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stefano, u know what i mean
[08:19] <stefano> omg
[08:19] <stefano> my screen is flashing
[08:20] <ethana2> it bugs me how people assume we haven't payed for codecs
[08:20] <ethana2> when we pay for them over and over and over and over again
[08:20] <stefano> i cant see anything
[08:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what codecs?
[08:20] <ethana2> FOSS patent encumbered codecs
[08:21] <ethana2> i payed for windows, i payed for them
[08:21] <ethana2> would it be too evil to include a WGA check in Ubuntu?  ^_^
[08:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it would ;p
[08:21] <ethana2> ok, well if people pirate windows, that's their fault
[08:22] <ethana2> innocent until proven guilty
[08:22] <ethana2> the only time these should ever be an issue is ubuntu preinstallations
[08:22] <ethana2> ...which is where fluendo comes in
[08:22] <LimCore> how to report bug in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ page?
[08:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> !bugs
[08:22] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[08:23] <RAOF> ethana2: I was under the impression that you payed for the non-exclusive license to use the w32codecs _on Windows_ :)
[08:23] <ethana2> hey, they should be transferable
[08:23] <ethana2> i payed the piper
[08:23] <LimCore> [Hardy]TuTUXG: read my question :)
[08:23] <ethana2> LimCore: i saw how that wasn't exactly helpful ;)
[08:23] <RAOF> ethana2: Yeah.  For a one-shot performance in a time and place of his choosing :)
[08:24] <ethana2> The second shot won't miss
[08:24] <ethana2> i mean..
[08:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> LimCore, i did my best ;P
[08:24] <RAOF> LimCore: You mean, a bug in the bugs page itself?
[08:24] <ethana2> LimCore: do you have a launchpad account?
[08:24] <LimCore> ethana2: limcore
[08:24] <LimCore> RAOF: yes
[08:25] <RAOF> LimCore: In that case, you can file a bug against the Malone component of Launchpad: https://edge.launchpad.net/malone
[08:25] <ethana2> some bugs can be reported from right within an app
[08:25] <ethana2> Help -> Report a problem
[08:25] <LimCore> RAOF: oh thats "intuitive". I will repot this brain dead lack of user friendliness as 2nd bug, btw
[08:25] <LimCore> ethana2: bug in the bug reporting system.
[08:25] <ethana2> ohhh
[08:25] <ethana2> wierd
[08:26] <LimCore> actually, today's bug is really an EPIC FAILURE
[08:26] <LimCore> 1) korganizer crash
[08:26] <RAOF> LimCore: If you'd searched for "launchpad bugs", you'd have got there, I think.
[08:26] <LimCore> 2) kde crash hanlder itself have a bug
[08:26] <ethana2> hey stefano
[08:26] <ethana2> having fun? ;)
[08:26] <stefano> we get signal
[08:26] <stefano> what happen
[08:26] <stefano> somebody set up us the bomb
[08:26] <ethana2> he
[08:26] <LimCore> 3) the web page in which I want to report a bug in kde bug report itself have a bug
[08:26] <LimCore> 4) there is a bug that it is hard to find where I can report that the web page in which I want to report a bug in kde bug report itself have a bug
[08:27] <LimCore> it's a recursive 4 devel deep EPIC FAILURE lol
[08:27] <ethana2> ha
[08:27] <stefano> my word, i just started a vm in virtualbox and suddenly the screen was flashing black and white
[08:27] <stefano> now, after a reboot, i dont want to start vbox again but on the other hand i do to find out if it still does that, i booted the 386 kernel by accident the first time...
[08:28] <stefano> okay i'm going to do it
[08:28] <stefano> bye in advance
[08:29] <stefano> okay now it jut crashes, i'll leave it there for the moment
[08:40] <adrian_2002c1> i need to go to sleep./........i see that hardy allows for installation without another partition...is this true and dows it actually work?
[08:41] <adrian_2002c1> i still have a windows partition(i dont know why_)\
[08:42] <adrian_2002c1> apparently i can just install without another partitin from inside windows...
[08:42] <adrian_2002c1> is this true?
[08:43] <stefano> kind of
[08:43] <stefano> you can do it with wubi, all this stuff will be neatly integrated in hardy heron
[08:43] <adrian_2002c1> niceeeee....wait...i can do this to gutsy>?
[08:43] <stefano> here's a tip, just back up your data on some dvds or even an external hard drive and wipe away windows, delete and forget :>
[08:44] <stefano> you can do it on gutsy but i'm not sure if it's any good
[08:44] <stefano> i don't know much about all the windows stuff :>
[08:44] <adrian_2002c1> HAHAHAHAHA
[08:44] <adrian_2002c1> tru
[08:45] <stefano> last windows i used was windows 2000 and i was very happy with it
[08:45] <adrian_2002c1> except im a big enough geek that i got xp to run quite like a wheel more or less...i only get BSODED once a week if that...im pretty good
[08:45] <stefano> but now it is outdated and i'm not going to use xp, let alone vista
[08:45] <stefano> but i tried windows 2008
[08:45] <stefano> must say, it seems very stable
[08:46] <stefano> but it's too heavy for eveything i would want to use, and too expensive
[08:46] <stefano> and there are security issues, its not open sourec and so on.. and it looks ugly :>
[08:46] <adrian_2002c1> there;s 2008 wow...i must see...
[08:47] <stefano> adrian_2002c1, its for servers
[08:47] <stefano> look up the wikipedia article
[08:47] <adrian_2002c1> aii...like 2003
[08:47] <stefano> yes
[08:47] <stefano> i want to have a smoke but i'm out of filter tips :\
[08:48] <adrian_2002c1> i want to sleep but ubuntu is keepin me here...
[08:48] <stefano> sleep?
[08:48] <stefano> where are you from?
[08:48] <stefano> where are you located i should say
[08:48] <adrian_2002c1> toronto lol
[08:48] <adrian_2002c1> but im from romaina
[08:48] <adrian_2002c1> romania
[08:48] <stefano> i see
[08:49] <stefano> just like daniel negreanu, he's from romania but lives in toronto
[08:49] <stefano> :>>>
[08:49] <adrian_2002c1> lol...yea
[08:49] <adrian_2002c1> he's crazy good millionaire
[08:49] <adrian_2002c1> lol
[08:50] <stefano> i saw him at EPT dortmund (very near to where i live)
[08:50] <stefano> fine guy
[08:50] <adrian_2002c1> &my english is better jus lack sleep lol
[08:50] <adrian_2002c1> yeye
[08:50] <stefano> you know
[08:50] <adrian_2002c1> know what>
[08:51] <stefano> he's not so serious about himself like a lot of players, a guy stared at his face for like two minutes and he was like "do i have spinach in my teeth?"
[08:51] <stefano> lol
[08:51] <stefano> owned
[08:51] <adrian_2002c1> lol...ye...he brings his ipod and psp to games and stuf
[08:52] <adrian_2002c1> romanians are really funny...its cuz of our language
[08:52] <stefano> i've never been there
[08:53] <stefano> but i heard a lot of prejeduces
[08:53] <adrian_2002c1> yeah, its not THAT bad
[08:54] <stefano> so, you know the germans, theyre a pretty creepy people, (I'm allowed to say that because i'm italian, hehe) there is actually a german figure of speech "to go to rumania"
[08:54] <stefano> which means to have ones way with a prostitute
[08:54] <adrian_2002c1> HAHAHAHHA
[08:54] <adrian_2002c1> thats so not offensive its funny
[08:54] <stefano> it could be a local thing though, no idea
[08:55] <adrian_2002c1> lol...if we have nice looking women its not our fault
[08:55] <stefano> hehe
[08:55] <adrian_2002c1> (and we do have very nice women)
[08:55] <adrian_2002c1> lol
[08:55] <stefano> i wanted to go to canada since i was 12 or so. and still want to go there (not on vacation but to live there)
[08:55] <adrian_2002c1> ye, trust me, stay in italy
[08:56] <stefano> i'm in germany
[08:56] <adrian_2002c1> oh lol.....its not everything u think it is
[08:56] <stefano> italy would be great too :>
[08:56] <adrian_2002c1> its better than us tho
[08:56] <adrian_2002c1> US
[08:56] <stefano> italians are pretty funny too
[08:56] <adrian_2002c1> yeye.,...been to italy 2 years afo
[08:56] <stefano> like, i recived a letter from the government of italy inviting me to italy on their costs
[08:57] <adrian_2002c1> it was sooo awesome...ate spaghetti with parmesa everyday amog the other stuff LOL
[08:57] <stefano> because i'm a citizen i get to vote and they pay for flight and hotel
[08:57] <adrian_2002c1> wow really
[08:57] <adrian_2002c1> thats really nioce\
[08:57] <stefano> ya but because theyre italians the letter was TWO WEEKS LATE D:
[08:57] <adrian_2002c1> HAHAHA...shoulda took them up on it
[08:57] <adrian_2002c1> and not voted lol
[08:57] <stefano> i would have done both
[08:58] <stefano> free vacation plus some democray
[08:58] <stefano> +c
[08:58] <stefano> but italians never get things right
[08:58] <stefano> lol
[08:58] <adrian_2002c1> HAHA...ye
[08:58] <adrian_2002c1> yea they do
[08:58] <adrian_2002c1> u know bus stops...they tell you when its comin...canada is way behind with that
[08:58] <adrian_2002c1> u hav to call a number(waste $) and find the time
[08:58] <stefano> my father had a very very nice alfa spider, an old one, really great car, it broke down if you looked at it the wrong way
[08:59] <stefano> to start it you needed a very steady hand
[08:59] <stefano> lol
[08:59] <adrian_2002c1> HAHA...
[08:59] <adrian_2002c1> the thing about cars like that tho, u could use anything from a pen to an old pair of pants to repair it
[08:59] <stefano> true
[08:59] <adrian_2002c1> i know cuz our country makes dacia, the shittiest car ever
[09:00] <adrian_2002c1> well, no ford is but u get my drift
[09:00] <adrian_2002c1> and gm
[09:00] <adrian_2002c1> lol
[09:00] <stefano> my father was driving to denmark, and on the way the belt broke, so my fahter used a pair of tights and made it to denmakr and back
[09:01] <adrian_2002c1> HAHA...they have dacia in gta: http://www.thegtaplace.com/downloads/screens/gtavc/cars/146_dacia1300.jpg
[09:01] <adrian_2002c1> lolol
[09:01] <stefano> those were really nice cars..
[09:01] <stefano> oh the new one, the dacia logan, they say is really good
[09:01] <adrian_2002c1> ye, and u could make it into alternative transport if it broke down(use horses lol)
[09:01] <stefano> very cheap, around 8000€
[09:02] <stefano> you see a lot of those on the streets here
[09:02] <adrian_2002c1> ye, i know...i dunno whether its cheap because its shitty or because were so smart at making cars
[09:02] <stefano> next to the BMWs and Mercedes
[09:02] <stefano> hehe
[09:02] <stefano> oh as i said all the tester say its pretty well made
[09:03] <adrian_2002c1> well thats nice, lol
[09:03] <adrian_2002c1> this is the old "coupe" version http://i.pbase.com/v3/23/479723/2/50350811.CarDacia2.jpg
[09:03] <stefano> looks nice :>
[09:03] <stefano> sporty even
[09:03] <adrian_2002c1> ye, check out that riiide...
[09:03] <stefano> hehe
[09:03] <adrian_2002c1> pimped out yo
[09:04] <adrian_2002c1> lol
[09:04] <stefano> xD
[09:04] <adrian_2002c1> and this is from our communist times http://www.autosoviet.altervista.org/dacia1100-rear_WEB.jpg
[09:05] <adrian_2002c1> they actually race those nowdays i think
[09:05] <stefano> http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/100-greatest/03-large/110-trabant.jpg
[09:05] <stefano> this is from our communist times
[09:05] <stefano> :>
[09:05] <adrian_2002c1> WHAT
[09:05] <stefano> (germany's i mean)
[09:05] <adrian_2002c1> U DONT THINK WE DONT HAVE THAT
[09:05] <adrian_2002c1> lol
[09:05] <savvas> adrian_2002c1: the ugliest car is yugo, was made by my country heh :) it is much more viable than the new cars that last no more than 5-6 years
[09:05] <stefano> it was made from plastic
[09:06] <stefano> i like the yugo
[09:06] <adrian_2002c1> the sound of the trabant was a common noise and still is in the streets of romanian cities
[09:06] <stefano> well
[09:06] <adrian_2002c1> its a hallmark lol
[09:06] <stefano> it is clearly a drivers ar
[09:06] <stefano> car
[09:06] <stefano> you woudnt want to be driven around in one
[09:06] <stefano> :>
[09:07] <adrian_2002c1> lol...it actually looks sportyu
[09:07] <adrian_2002c1> i think 90% of old Romanian men have revving the trabant as their dayly occupation
[09:08] <ccooke> Hmm
[09:08] <adrian_2002c1> i was sayin the yugo looks sporty...http://www.jtruck.net/misc/4x4cars/full/4x4yugo.jpg
[09:08] <ccooke> was firefox broken? on Friday?
[09:08] <adrian_2002c1> lol
[09:08] <ccooke> I'm getting "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b3 and 1.9b3.
[09:08] <ccooke> "
[09:08] <Ayabara> anyone using vmware server on hardy?
[09:09] <stefano> about two kilometres from where i live theres a big nokia factory that now gets moved to romania, big scandal, but good for the romanians (this is what everyone forgets about it when complaining)
[09:09] <stefano> ccooke, no i dont think so, firefox got updated to beta4
[09:09] <ccooke> ah! the update on Friday seems to have been interrupted. Maybe that was it.
[09:09] <adrian_2002c1> stefano, lol, i think we jus work for less lol...anyway...i really need sleep...if theres one fault to ubuntu is that its soo exciting it wont let me sleep
[09:09] <ccooke> Nope.
[09:10] <stefano> adrian_2002c1, bye then, see ya
[09:10] <LimCore> ccooke: perhaps file in a bug report or something?
[09:10] <adrian_2002c1> later, stefano, dont change ur nick i like talkin to u
[09:10] <stefano> ccooke, what's your issues
[09:10] <ccooke> LimCore: not yet - I'll do an update to latest now, first
[09:10] <stefano> allright adrian :>
[09:10] <adrian_2002c1> c ya
[09:10] <ccooke> stefano: probably out of date - let me check to see if updating cures it.
[09:10] <RAOF> ccooke: You need to finish upgrading; you've got a partial firefox b3/b4 install, and so it's broken.
[09:11] <ccooke> stefano: This machine hasn't been updated since Friday
[09:11] <savvas> ccooke: there was a problem, update your apt sources :)
[09:11] <stefano> why's that? upgrading is the most fun
[09:11] <ccooke> RAOF: ah. I probably caught the repo halfway though an update :-)
[09:11] <stefano> 151 updates available -  do you dare to install them? [yes(no}
[09:11] <stefano> :>
[09:12] <ccooke> stefano: well, Friday I was at work. Friday *night* I travelled to a different city, *saturday* was D&D night (well, it's a game we run every six weeks, so it's more "d&d *day*"...
[09:12] <stefano> what is d&d?
[09:13] <ccooke> a role playing game.
[09:13] <stefano> i see
[09:13] <stefano> phew i thought for a second you weren't a geek
[09:13] <stefano> hehe
[09:14] <savvas> d&d?
[09:14] <savvas> ah ignore me
[09:14] <ccooke> Dungeons and Dragons.
[09:15] <stefano> its where you tell a guy you poke him with a stick and then he has injuries but you don't really do anything
[09:15] <stefano> i always found that strange
[09:15] <stefano> :>
[09:16] <RAOF> stefano: As opposed to _actually_ poking someone with a stick? :)
[09:16] <stefano> yes :>
[09:16] <stefano> you should try that out in a pub some time
[09:16] <stefano> action guaranteed
[09:16] <ccooke> stefano: I play it because, with a good group of people, I find I spend more time laughing than I do pretty much anywhere else.
[09:16] <ccooke> and laughter is good for you :-)
[09:17] <stefano> i use youtube for that
[09:17] <stefano> :\
[09:19] <stefano> firefox keeps crashing
[09:20] <stefano> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNfx0FO4hzs&feature=related
[09:20] <stefano> classic
[09:20] <savvas> stefano: you dont have to poke him with a stick, a finger and 2-3 beers will suffice :P
[09:20] <stefano> hehe
[09:21] <stefano> the last line is probably the best piece of art ever consieved
[09:38] <gamerdude> anyone know why all the links to download ubuntu alpha 6 are dead? and anyone know of a place to get it?
[09:39] <stefano> there should be torrents
[09:39] <gamerdude> i checked tpb and mininova, barely anyone seeds
[09:39] <gamerdude> 5-10 seeds haha
[09:40] <stefano> download the normal alternate cd, make a minimal installation and upgrade it
[09:41] <gamerdude> someone mentioned the beta is coming out soon, but the schedule don't seem to reflect that
[09:41] <stefano> i don't even think there will be a beta seven
[09:41] <stefano> oh alpha that is
[09:41] <savvas> alpha*
[09:41] <savvas> :p
[09:42] <gamerdude> looks like its going right to release canidate on april 17th
[09:42] <stefano> yes
[09:42] <stefano> as i said, you can just upgrade
[09:42] <savvas> well.. there are not much upgrades since yesterday
[09:42] <stefano> if you install the alpha 6 you get about 400 updates anyays
[09:43] <gamerdude> yeh...although this is just for testing purposes in a virtual invironment, not really worth it
[09:43] <stefano> off to make coffee, brb
[09:44] <gamerdude> thanks much for the suggestion tho
[09:45] <savvas> hm..
[09:45] <savvas> why does ubuntu add the +x permission to all files in a usb flash drive?
[09:47] <stefano> that sounds like a bug
[09:47] <stefano> you should see if it's filed, if not file it
[09:48] <stefano> i'm going to see if i have the same problem
[09:48] <stefano> so hold on just a sec
[09:48] <ccooke> savvas: flash drives are almost always formatted with a FAT filesystem
[09:49] <ccooke> the FAT filesystem has no concept of unix permissions
[09:49] <ccooke> because of that, every file on it is owned by one user/group and has, by default, all permission bits set.
[09:49] <savvas> ccooke: er.. this didn't happen in gutsy
[09:49] <stefano> same here
[09:49] <stefano> but busted because of fat filesystem lol
[09:50] <ccooke> savvas: right. Then the bug is that the automounter is not mounting with the correct options - one option for mounting a FAT filesystem is to set a permission mask for all normal files and one for all directories.
[09:50] <stefano> i wonder how long it's going to take until we get rid of hirarchical file systems
[09:51] <ccooke> stefano: several years after there's an advantageous, viable alternative that's released by default in a majority market share operating system
[09:52] <ccooke> (in other words: Probably never, since barely any of those conditions have ever been met :-)
[09:52] <stefano> ccooke, yes probably. it's the same thing with all the usability issues, they get fixed when someone has the time to do it, and noone ever does
[09:52] <stefano> well, kde4 takes a step towards it
[09:53] <ccooke> what does kde4 do that's an improvement in usability?
[09:53] <stefano> e.g. (as someone from kde said in a google techtalk): why do i have to have a border on a clock that tells me it's a clock? i know that it's a clock
[09:54] <savvas> hehehe
[09:54] <stefano> ccooke, kde4 is going to do so much in terms of usability, groundbreaking changes coming up
[09:55] <ccooke> stefano: people say that, but I can't see it in what I've observed
[09:55] <stefano> ccooke, i can. but i'm a user interface guy myself. the changes are often time suddle but crucial.  something like sefl-resizing icons on the sidebar of dolphin (the new file browser)
[09:56] <stefano> also there's going to be search available almost everywhere
[09:56] <stefano> which is great, i wish i would have that already, but atm you need to buy a mac to get it
[09:56] <ccooke> mm.
[09:57] <stefano> whenever i think of kde4 the first thing that comes to mind is the ugly dock though
[09:57] <stefano> unbelievibly ugly
[09:57] <ccooke> I've always found kde to be a but... clunky, in design.
[09:57] <stefano> yes that's very true
[09:57] <stefano> so do most kde people i think
[09:57] <ccooke> Everything takes up too much space and, if it doesn't, you can't use it any more
[09:58] <stefano> the latter part of that sentene is going to be much better in kde4
[09:58] <stefano> sentence
[09:58] <stefano> my c key is broken :(
[09:58] <ccooke> annoying.
[09:59] <stefano> i just bought a huge new monitor to hook up to my laptop and now i find that my keyboard is shitty
[09:59] <ccooke> Although I do have to accept that I'm not a typical user :-/
[09:59] <stefano> the problem is Qt i think
[10:00] <stefano> from a developers point of view, Qt is truly great. but from a users point of view it's horrible (at lears 3.x
[10:00] <stefano> example would be GoogleEarth on Mac OS X. its catastrophic
[10:00] <stefano> whereas gimp on mac os x is just fine
[10:00] <Lynoure> I just upgraded to hardy kubuntu kde3.5.9, but cannot find that amazing alpha6 wallpaper anywhere. Where can I find it?
[10:01] <stefano> tried google image search?
[10:01] <ccooke> Until I started using ubuntu (and hence tried gnome again for the first time in years), I was using a... very particular Windowmaker environment. No dock, no clip. Logged in to a plain black screen with a round borderless clock in the bottom right :-)
[10:01] <stefano> nice
[10:01] <Lynoure> stefano: I did, I did, but no luck, and kind of expecting it to come with upgrade too
[10:02] <stefano> what does the wallpaper look like? do you have it somewhere in a small format?
[10:02] <stefano> ccooke, did you use mwm back in the day?
[10:02] <ccooke> (well, the screen was actually #0a0a0a, since that's *just* light enough for the black, almost-borderless terminals to show up against it...)
[10:02] <ccooke> stefano: yuck! too much wasted space :-)
[10:03] <stefano> i like your attitude!
[10:03] <Lynoure> stefano: it's a blue fractal, very aquatic and tentacle-like
[10:03] <stefano> i'm a designer, so you may understand how i feel when i see a pimped up windows xp desktop
[10:03] <Lynoure> It's somewhere on the livecd, at least, just no idea where to look...
[10:04] <stefano> Lynoure, http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/984/trippj8.png this one? sorry its not a particulary good resolution
[10:04] <stefano> Lynoure, you can search for files with the locate command
[10:04] <savvas> Bug #157094
[10:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157094 in ubuntu "USB mass storage devices are mounted with unsafe permissions" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157094
[10:04] <Lynoure> stefano: no, not that one.
[10:04] <savvas> looks like there's not much to do, as ccooke said
[10:04] <stefano> Lynoure, normally it would be somewhere in /usr/share/
[10:05] <Lynoure> stefano: not with locate, livecd is not in my db yet, but I guess I'll put find to run it through.
[10:05] <Lynoure> stefano: no /urs/share on the live cd when it's not running...
[10:05] <stefano> you can use find
[10:05] <stefano> oh it will probably be in some archive
[10:05] <stefano> so you cant
[10:05] <stefano> :}
[10:06] <Lynoure> Normally I don't care 1 bit about wallpapers, but this one, honestly, first default wallpaper in my life that I have liked :)
[10:06] <stefano> can you describe it a bit more?
[10:07] <stefano> http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/1594/bluebend3jo.jpg this is one of the default kde wallpapers, but you don't mean this one right?
[10:08] <Lynoure> stefano: I'm not sure how... like I said, it's a fractal, a real fractal, if my eyes don't fool me. Blue, quite dense in detail the way fractals are
[10:09] <stefano> can i customise the keystroke for firefox three to go to the home page? atm its alt+home, but thats horrible
[10:09] <ccooke> stefano: yes, you can.
[10:09] <stefano> how?
[10:09] <stefano> Lynoure, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Creation+Fractal?content=76855 this is green but it looks good as well :-)
[10:10] <stefano> ccooke, i'm guessing its some about:preferene pane with a thousand options :(
[10:11] <ccooke> stefano: I'm trying to remember :-)
[10:11] <stefano> lol the about:config screen now says "this might void your warrenty"
[10:11] <ccooke> stefano: of course, last time I did it was on a different version...
[10:11] <stefano> "i'll be careful, i promise"
[10:11] <Lynoure> stefano: thank you for your effort, I do appreciate it, but nowhere as amazing background. Oh well, I might end up booting livecd, scp:ing the background to a server and getting it from there
[10:12] <stefano> Lynoure, good idea, load it up to imageshack or something, quick and easy
[10:12] <stefano> there isnt an option to show the home page button, which has misteriously dissapeared in v3
[10:19] <Wartorn> I have an issue, im trying to compile my program that uses libxml. But when i try to compile it, it says libxml/parser.h and libxml/xmlmemory.h is not found. I have installed *all* the libxml dev packages. Is this an issue with hardy?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> Wartorn: including libxml2-dev?
[10:20] <Wartorn> yes
[10:21] <Hobbsee> what does apt-cache policy libxml2-dev say?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> (and ls -la /usr/include/libxml2/libxml/xmlmemory.h )
[10:21] <Wartorn> seems fine, installed and candidate is the same
[10:21] <stefano> you could locate the files and set the path manually as a workaround
[10:22] <Wartorn> Hobbsee: the ls command shows the file, owned by root etc
[10:23] <Wartorn> i changed the #include path to libxml2/libxml/xmlmemory.h and it worked, but then an issue arised in xmlmemory.h, where it includes with just the libxml/ path itself
[10:23] <Hobbsee> Wartorn: then i'd say the thing that you're attemptin gto compile is broken, and you need to fix it
[10:24] <Wartorn> Are you sure? read above
[10:26] <Wartorn> i renamed the libxml2 folder to a backupname, copied the libxml folder out of it to /usr/include and it worked
[10:27] <Hobbsee> strange
[10:28] <Lynoure> stefano: seems it got removed... http://www.vladstudio.com/wallpaper/?288 was it, though
[10:29] <stefano> nice!
[10:30] <savvas> heh, firefox says i'm downloading with 90KB/s on a 512kbits connection :P
[10:30] <Lynoure> stefano: I'd guess it was removed for licence issues, as getting a hi-res copy requires membership
[10:31] <stefano> it's a crappy website
[10:31] <stefano> there is no acount for it on bugmenot.com
[10:31] <stefano> 1600x1200 is free though
[10:32] <stefano> i have 1920x1440, but 1600x1200 is fine since the pixels are so dense anyways
[10:32] <Lynoure> stefano: would take scaling,  1650x1050 here, but we'll see. I might like it enough to support them :)
[10:32] <stefano> cant really tell the difference
[10:32] <stefano> they didnt make it
[10:32] <stefano> some artist made it and got "ripped off" bei them
[10:32] <stefano> i woundt support them
[10:33] <Lynoure> stefano: What artist? I have not found this anywhere else... and this is where kubuntu got it too
[10:33] <stefano> but thats just my humble opinion you may think otherwise
[10:33] <stefano> if its going to be free it should be fully free, thats all i'm saying
[10:34] <stefano> no registration required, this is just stupid
[10:34] <Lynoure> stefano: well, it's clearly not free, apart from maybe their donation of wallpaper.
[10:34] <stefano> not free? what does it cost then?
[10:35] <stefano> oh i see
[10:35] <Lynoure> ~20 dollars for a lifetime membership.
[10:35] <stefano> but you don't pay for the art
[10:35] <stefano> you pay for vladstudios service
[10:35] <stefano> which is unfair in my opinion
[10:36] <Lynoure> I don't mind people making a living, but yeah, could have very well a licence issue
[10:36] <stefano> the free version is compressed
[10:36] <Lynoure> stefano: I do think this guy really made that background...
[10:36] <stefano> bad quality
[10:37] <stefano> http://www.ultrafractal.com/ this seems to be a better investment
[10:37] <stefano> allthoug i think there is free (as in freedom) software that does the same
[10:45] <legend2440> i was going to be doing a clean install of heron when it comes out rather than upgrade. i was going to backup and reuse xorg.cong. fstab,nautilus-scripts from gutsy. are there other files i should reuse to make the transition easier?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> you probably shouldn't use your old xorg.conf
[10:48] <legend2440> Hobbsee: yes i am going to reuse xorg.conf,fstab and nautilus-scripts. are there any i may have missed that would make it easier?
[10:48] <Hobbsee> ....that's not what i said.
[10:48] <legend2440> Hobbsee: sry misread why not?
[10:49] <Hobbsee> different versions of X, no?
[10:49] <legend2440> Hobbsee:  ok ty
[10:49] <atlef> how long is recordmydesktop ment to be running, recorded ca 10 min and it sits there saying 0%
[10:51] <Wartorn> atlef: shouldnt you just click stop, and it will create the video?
[10:51] <atlef> but when i record like 3 mins it's ok and the counter towards finished says 0,00 bot mor then that and it just says 0%
[10:51] <atlef> *but
[10:52] <atlef> Wartorn: yes
[10:52] <atlef> i stopped it like 10 mins ago, still says 0%
[10:52] <atlef> is istanbul any better
[11:23] <darrend> when I connect my (usm) music player, I get "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied" with the details talking about a security policy
[11:24] <darrend> if I go to "System>Admin>Authorizations" I can't change anything
[11:24] <darrend> (presumably because it doesn't do gksudo for it?)
[11:24] <darrend> How do I get automounting of my devices back?
[11:43] <darrend> hmm, granting permissions through that thing appears to make little difference anyway
[12:05] <flipstar> could someone please pastebin /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/kernelextras .. ?
[12:07] <Lynoure> flipstar: in a min.
[12:08] <Lynoure> flipstar: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m11a72d80
[12:08] <flipstar> thank you :)
[12:23] <pwuertz> hi... I installed the gnash plugin... but firefox does not recognize it
[12:24] <pwuertz> does anyone know why?
[12:24] <flipstar> is it linked in the mozilla plugin dir ?
[12:25] <pwuertz> there are so many mozilla-plugin dirs... I have no idea anymore which one is used..
[12:25] <pwuertz> its linked to /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin though
[12:26] <pwuertz> guess thats a good thing
[12:28] <pwuertz> hm... just curious.... has anybody a working gnash-plugin using firefox3?
[12:28] <flipstar> usally in $HOME/.mozilla/plugins
[12:36] <pwuertz> flipstar: ok... placing the plugin in $HOME as you suggested works
[12:54] <Adys> Am i the only one getting only 111 Connection refused errors on apt-get update?
[12:55] <Lynoure> Adys: I did not get that at least, but we might use different mirrors
[12:55] <Adys> French mirrors here
[12:55] <Adys> been over 24 hours almost :/
[13:05] <stefano> Adys, you can always use another mirror
[13:05] <stefano> !mirror
[13:05] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive - PLEASE use the !torrents to download Gutsy, and help keeping the servers' load low!
[13:05] <stefano> nope, wrong
[13:05] <stefano> :>
[13:05] <Adys> hehe
[13:05] <Adys> ill google it
[13:05] <Adys> thanks :)
[13:06] <stefano> :>
[13:25] <Ienorand> Does anybody know how to find out what version of fglrx that currently is installed? And what version is in the Hardy repositories at the moment anyways?
[13:27] <brianski> does hardy still use scrollkeeper?
[13:28] <finfin82> lenorand it should be shown in the aptitude!?
[13:30] <Ienorand> Ah, so you can use that to get that info... hmm I guess synaptic would work to, just look up the package info yes?
[13:31] <finfin82> yea
[13:32] <Ienorand> okay, that seems fairly simple... (dunno why I didn't think of that...)
[13:45] <Lattyware> Just to be sure, libc6 2.7-9ubuntu2 is safe, right?
[13:45] <flipstar> yep
[13:46] <Lattyware> good good
[14:14] <slanning> sorry if this is already mentioned too much: is there any "effort" to get firefox addons updated to 3.0? I find several useful (required?) ones are not ready for the version of firefox in hardy
[14:15] <soto> I don't see the restricted drivers option in the administration menu. How can I start it?
[14:15] <slanning> is it  "Hardware Drivers"  instead?
[14:16] <mazzen> slanning: install a separated firefox 2.0
[14:16] <soto> slanning: No, I don't have that either.
[14:16] <soto> And no option to add them in the menu editor.
[14:16] <soto> Are they supposed to be there?
[14:17] <slanning> mazzen: ok, I didn't realize that was an option, thanks
[14:17] <mazzen> np.
[14:23] <crimsun> soto: install jockey-gtk
[14:23] <jimmygoon> Is there a reason ubuntu devs don't choose to set a smaller menu item height in the gtk+ settings... It's really annoying and combined with the abundance of "Preferences" leads to my menu being off the screen :(
[14:23] <crimsun> soto: it's no longer called "Restricted Drivers" but "Hardware Drivers"
[14:23] <soto> crimsun: I'm getting restricted-manager now. Apparently it was lost in the upgrade.
[14:24] <soto> crimsun: Does jockey-gtk supercede restricted-manager?
[14:24] <crimsun> soto: that's deprecated.  It's not restricted*, it's jockey* now.
[14:28] <soto> Is the apt /var/cache automatically cleaned out once and a while?
[14:29] <savvas> soto: nope
[14:29] <savvas> sudo apt-get autoclean
[14:30] <soto> savvas: Nothing prevents filling the disk?
[14:30] <savvas> i don't think so soto
[14:31] <savvas> soto: you can always add it in /etc/crontab :)
[14:31] <savvas> man crontab
[14:31] <soto> savvas: That wouldn't necessarily help. autoclean only deletes useless packages. I would need to manually rm them.
[14:32] <savvas> you need to delete all of them soto ?
[14:32] <flipstar_> sudo apt-get clean does it
[14:32] <savvas> yep
[14:32] <savvas> you asked to automatically clean out
[14:32] <savvas> i thought you meant tidy it up :)
[14:33] <savvas> e.g. 00 00 1 * * /etc/autoclean
[14:33] <soto> savvas: No I just don't want my disk to fill up. clean is okay I guess.
[14:33] <savvas> sudo touch /etc/autoclean && sudo echo "apt-get autoclean" >> /etc/autoclean
[14:33] <flipstar_> you can check with filelight whats using most space
[14:33] <soto> I would prefer something that just deleted some percentage of the oldest packages
[14:34] <savvas> well soto, that's autoclean
[14:34] <savvas> :)
[14:34] <soto> flipstar_: Var is on a separate partition. It was the apt cache taking the most space
[14:34] <crimsun> guys, autoclean on a devel install is a slightly bad idea.
[14:34] <soto> savvas: No, not from my reading of the man page.
[14:35] <crimsun> it's not so much an issue now that we're in beta freeze, but keeping known-working version(s) around is a really intelligent move
[14:35] <flipstar_> try find ~/.deb -type f -atime +7 -delete
[14:35] <savvas> soto: well then.. i guess you need a bash script :P
[14:35] <soto> soto, flipstar_: Yeah okay thanks. I just wondered if it was an automagic feature that someone had already implementd.
[14:36] <unenough> how do i find out the license of a package?
[14:36] <soto> Do I need to kill X-server to apply the enabling of a restricted video driver?
[14:37] <crimsun> unenough: look at /usr/share/doc/foopackage/copyright
[14:37] <flipstar_> brb kinit isnt working ¦ /
[14:41] <savvas> hm..
[14:41] <savvas> anyone knows what's ~/.kisotmp/ for?
[14:41] <savvas> i see some .deb packages there
[14:42] <mitch_> Hey I'm running a mbp and useing madwifi for my wireless card (airport extrerem a/b/g) and i can see wireless networks but for the life of me I can not get an ip. Some help would be great!
[14:45] <unenough> where does dpkg-buildpackage get the information on which parameters to pass to ./configure?
[14:55] <lime4x4> anyone using a desktop wireless card that just works in hardy?
[14:58] <Lynoure> lime4x4: I'd kind of expect the same ones that just work in gutsy to just work in hardy, but could be wrong...
[15:00] <mitch_> Hey I'm running a mbp and useing madwifi for my wireless card (airport extrerem a/b/g) and i can see wireless networks but for the life of me I can not get an ip. Some help would be great!
[15:00] <lime4x4> yeah that's what i thought and that didn't turn out so well....lol
[15:01] <lime4x4> i had 2 cards that worked in gutsy but won't work in hardy
[15:04] <user5> hello
[15:04] <jimmygoon> Can someone please please please help me figure out how to reduce the height of my menu items :( this is very frustrating
[15:05] <axisys> any idea why I fail to listen to song with mplayer like this http://rafb.net/p/JOO5bn48.html, unless I play as root?
[15:06] <flipstar> axisys: you are in the audio group + the file is accessable by your user ?
[15:07] <axisys> flipstar: file is accessible by user
[15:07] <axisys> flipstar: not sure about the audio group.. in gutsy i did not have this problem.. is it something new with hardy ?
[15:08] <axisys> flipstar: is it something to do with pulseaudio ?
[15:09] <flipstar> probably not but you are aware that hardy is a developer release yet .. ?
[15:10] <axisys> i just checked and I am in audio group
[15:10] <axisys> flipstar: yes I am aware of that
[15:11] <flipstar> okay..you can play other audio files ?
[15:12] <axisys> flipstar: when i run as root it works fine http://rafb.net/p/e1jpdY89.html
[15:12] <axisys> flipstar: i can play youtube and flash video jst fine
[15:12] <axisys> flipstar: listen to pandora just fine
[15:13] <axisys> flipstar: i can even listen to youtube and pandora at the same time.. no prob
[15:15] <flipstar> you might try use another output method for mplayer like OSS instead of alsa
[15:21] <axisys> flipstar: see the difference in working and non working output http://rafb.net/p/P47ki257.html
[15:21] <mesilliac> axisys: try "mplayer alan.mp3 -ao pulse"
[15:21] <mesilliac> perhaps pulseaudio has your sound device
[15:22] <axisys> mesilliac: wow! that was it
[15:23] <axisys> mesilliac: thanks a lot.. time to use a .config file
[15:24] <mesilliac> :)
[15:25] <axisys> mesilliac: i got some help from mplayer guys to of a quick config setup to default to pulse
[15:25] <axisys> mesilliac: thanks a lot again
[15:28] <steph_> Hi everybody. I would like to talk to the artist who makes the actual ldm artwork (paintbrush in a jar for ubuntu-studio)
[15:47] <maccam94> mounting ssh via "Connect to Server" and browsing the network seems to be broken
[15:49] <AutoMatriX> hello, is there somebody who succeeded to sync a Noikia 6610 with evolution under Hardy ?
[15:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> e17 anyone?
[15:53] <Typhox> hi
[15:54] <Typhox> Which is my standard-Display in --display=x ?
[15:57] <Typhox> hm?
[15:58] <Typhox> It is important
[15:59] <savvas> Typhox: what's that?
[16:00] <lime4x4> i assume obex is still broken in hardy alpha 6
[16:00] <flipstar> what is obex..?
[16:01] <lime4x4> it's afile transfer protocol i think it's mainly used in bluetooth thou
[16:01] <lime4x4> can't view on files on my phone keep getting an obex error
[16:03] <Typhox> savvas: For example firefox --display=DISPLAY
[16:03] <Typhox> On normal ubuntu it is DISPLAY=0
[16:03] <Typhox> --display=0
[16:04] <SYNTAX> how is the new ubuntu hardy heron ?
[16:04] <SYNTAX> hey guys
[16:04] <Typhox> but here it says it cannot open display 0
[16:04] <savvas> SYNTAX: www.ubuntu.com/testing/
[16:04] <SYNTAX> ciik'
[16:04] <SYNTAX> cool
[16:04] <savvas> Typhox: find the screen identifier in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:05] <Typhox> ok
[16:05] <savvas> 	Identifier	"Default Layout"
[16:05] <savvas>   screen 0 "Default Screen" 0 0
[16:06] <savvas> maybe "Default Screen" ?:)
[16:07] <Typhox> Same message
[16:08] <savvas> well no idea, google it
[16:08] <LeerokTheLacerta> Does your hostname have spaces?
[16:09] <danage> my wifi doesn't work anymore since kernel update -12.... i have atheros
[16:10] <Typhox> me too
[16:10] <Typhox> and i don't use -12
[16:10] <danage> is it network-manager?
[16:10] <danage> eth0 works fine, ath0 cannot get ip address, it could be wpa supplicant too
[16:10] <Typhox> because my windowmanager and my graphicsdrive didn't work anymore
[16:10] <danage> anybody know a workaround?
[16:11] <Typhox> use -11
[16:11] <Typhox> See Ya!
[16:11] <danage> ok, will do
[16:11] <danage> brb :)
[16:12] <lime4x4> danage: have u tried wicd? That worked for me for one wireless card that wouldn't work with network-manager
[16:35] <danage> lovely. on kernel -11, my atheros wifi STILL doesn't work
[16:35] <danage> i suspect wpa_supplicant
[16:35] <danage> or network manager
[16:35] <danage> anybody?
[16:36] <TheInfinity> danage: tried madwifi svn?
[16:36] <danage> nah
[16:36] <TheInfinity> you have a macbook pro or another laptop with 802.11n atheros?
[16:36] <danage> it worked before the partial distro ugrade. i don't think madwifi got updated?
[16:37] <danage> no, i have AR5212, i saw the -n  bug, that isn't it i think
[16:38] <TheInfinity> danage: then its another bug ;)
[16:40] <danage> :(
[16:44] <shoeunited> I wasn't able to generate a bug report, but I thought this might be worth mentioning.  In hardy when I listen to audio it sometimes just 'stops' after playing a video (youtube) When I checked it Alsa couldn't release the slave and the Process PulseAudio was killing 50% of my CPU.  Killing that process fixed the audio problem.
[17:04] <ToHellWithGA> is bash completion no longer a feature included in a vanilla installation of ubuntu?
[17:04] <flipstar> you might have to install bash_completion
[17:04] <ToHellWithGA> i did have to install it
[17:05] <ToHellWithGA> i was a little put off by that
[17:05] <flipstar> it depends on how you installed your system
[17:05] <ToHellWithGA> aptitu[tab] ins[tab] bash-co[tab] ended up outputting "aptitu ins bash-co"
[17:05] <ToHellWithGA> i installed from the live cd
[17:05] <ToHellWithGA> i would hope that is the most common method of installing a desktop system on normal hardware
[17:06] <flipstar> yep
[17:06] <flipstar> install it if it isnt then try again
[17:06] <ToHellWithGA> to whom would i suggest including bash completion in a default installation?
[17:06] <ToHellWithGA> it was really sad only being able to complete with file/directory names
[17:07] <flipstar> yes it is installed by default
[17:07] <flipstar> oh then you maybe have to enable interactive mode in bashrc
[17:07] <flipstar> or profile
[17:08] <ToHellWithGA> my .bashrc sources /etc/skel/.bashrc
[17:08] <ToHellWithGA> what do you mean by interactive mode?
[17:09] <flipstar> search for it in bashrc
[17:09] <jimmygoon> Why does my computer beep at my when I close/open the lid .... and the power button doesn't work.
[17:11] <stefano> jimmygoon, did you accidently boot the 386 kernel?
[17:11] <jimmygoon> stefano, noope
[17:11] <stefano> i have the same problem with this kernel, if i boot the generic kernel it works fine
[17:11] <stefano> mh :\
[17:12] <jimmygoon> the beeping/ power button is part of the kernel?
[17:12] <stefano> not really
[17:13] <jimmygoon> 2.6.24-12-generic is what I'm running atm
[17:13] <stefano> but with the 386 kernel some things get confused, so it doesnt work as its supposed to. at least in my case
[17:13] <stefano> same here
[17:13] <stefano> it sounds like an acpi issue
[17:13] <ToHellWithGA> flipstar: if i don't have to use a user name and password, i have an interactive shell, right?
[17:13] <stefano> does all your thermal management stuff work properly?
[17:14] <walter> ToHellWithGa & flipstar: Newbie data point: bash-completion is not installed on my system per Synaptic, however aptitu[tab] completes to aptitude for me.
[17:14] <AirBender> Hi guys, any Idea about the performance of the new Broadcom drivers in the 2.6.24 kernel for Hardy?
[17:14] <walter> I've been upgrading over previous versions rather than fresh install from LiveCD.
[17:15] <ToHellWithGA> walter: yeah man, i  guess it does complete command names from /bin and /usr/bin
[17:15] <ToHellWithGA> but all of the finer points of completion are gone in a default installation
[17:15] <ToHellWithGA> AirBender: i think i had to use ndiswrapper for broadcom on gutsy
[17:16] <ToHellWithGA> i don't have a computer with broadcom wireless chips right now but i might be able to try one of my coworkers' laptops
[17:16] <stefano> sry got distracted by work
[17:16] <AirBender> ToHellWithGA: Yeap, that was the better solution, but I was wondering if Hardy comes with a better native solution
[17:17] <AirBender> in fact there are new kernel modules for that and bcm43xx comes blacklisted from the beggining
[17:18] <ToHellWithGA> maybe the restricted driver program thing included since feisty will have an option to unblacklist them
[17:18] <ToHellWithGA> greylist or whatever
[17:20] <lime4x4> i can't get a broadcom wireless device to work for ther life of me...lol worked in gutsy
[17:23] <jimmygoon> flash is so sluggish in ff3b4
[17:23] <AirBender> lime4x4: yeah, a lot of troubles with broadcom, fortunately I have an Atheros, but have a friend calling for help with broadcom in his laptop
[17:24] <lime4x4> even tried wicd and that won't even detect the wireless card i think it due to the driver hardy is using
[17:24] <ToHellWithGA> jimmygoon: scrolling as well
[17:25] <Gnine> i have a folder Debian in my Applications menu.. anybody else?
[17:25] <ToHellWithGA> Gnine: i do not
[17:25] <ToHellWithGA> i usually wipe a lot of ~/.stuff before i install though
[17:25] <danage> Gnine: you can activate/disactivate
[17:25] <danage> usually it is hidden
[17:25] <ToHellWithGA> could it be a relic of your pre-upgraded system?
[17:25] <Gnine> no
[17:26] <Gnine> it is visible now though
[17:26] <ToHellWithGA> that's wacky
[17:26] <danage> you can make it disappear!!!
[17:26] <Gnine> gotcha   ;-)
[17:27] <danage> its always in the list, but hidden by default
[17:28] <danage> can someone help me? my atheros wifi doesn't work anymore, since i did the partial distro upgrade to -12. it associates with ap, but doesn't get ip. maybe wpa-supplicant?
[17:29] <ToHellWithGA> danage: is your /etc/network/interfaces accurate?
[17:29] <ToHellWithGA> i had trouble with hardy a few weeks ago not accepting changes in the network configuration dialogs
[17:29] <danage> no
[17:29] <danage> but does it have to?
[17:29] <danage> i use network manager
[17:29] <ToHellWithGA> it would seemingly apply them but then not even do so
[17:29] <danage> auto lo
[17:29] <danage> iface lo inet loopback
[17:29] <danage> no mention of ath0
[17:29] <danage> then eth0
[17:29] <ToHellWithGA> i dunno about network manager
[17:30] <danage> which i suppose results in network manager doing it all
[17:30] <ToHellWithGA> sometimes i use it, sometimes it makes me mad by locking down my network passwords
[17:30] <ToHellWithGA> i think in hardy it has been fixed so you don't have to have a password to recall network keys
[17:30] <flipstar> i just uninstalled networkmanager
[17:31] <danage> it worked really nice until i did the partial distro upgrade
[17:31] <ToHellWithGA> it's kinda sad when windows computers seem to have the upper hand at automagically connecting to secured wireless networks using stored keys
[17:31] <ToHellWithGA> how did you do a partial upgrade?
[17:31] <danage> which, i think, brought a new network manager with it
[17:31] <danage> update manager
[17:31] <ToHellWithGA> partial though, what does that mean?
[17:31] <danage> dunno
[17:31] <ToHellWithGA> did you pick and choose some hardy packages to run on gutsy?
[17:32] <danage> it told me i should
[17:32] <ToHellWithGA> i don't think it is supposed to work that way
[17:32] <danage> nah, i use hardy alpha
[17:32] <ToHellWithGA> oh, like "safe-upgrade" in aptitude
[17:32] <ToHellWithGA> are you using the update manager tray icon thing?
[17:32] <danage> i think partial distro upgrade is what you do when they push a new kernel
[17:32] <ToHellWithGA> perhaps, and i won't say it's a great idea, you could "sudo aptitude full-upgrade" in a terminal
[17:33] <ToHellWithGA> it would upgrade everything it could
[17:33] <ToHellWithGA> or maybe in synaptic, i haven't used it for a while
[17:33] <danage> it tells me there aint nothing more to upgrade
[17:33] <ToHellWithGA> wild
[17:33] <danage> wickedy-whack
[17:33] <ToHellWithGA> how bizarre
[17:33] <ToHellWithGA> computers are strange
[17:34] <ToHellWithGA> have you killed and re-invoked network manager?
[17:35] <ToHellWithGA> maybe "sudo killall nm-applet && nm-applet &"
[17:35] <ToHellWithGA> or "sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart"
[17:35] <ToHellWithGA> or unload an load you kernel module for the wireless chipset
[17:35] <ToHellWithGA> all of those you could do non-destructively, without hacking around much
[17:36] <encryptz> i heard that 8.10 will not be supporting sparc? what's the reasoning for it?
[17:36] <encryptz> 8.04 i mean
[17:37] <encryptz> the next lts
[17:38] <danage> ToHellWithGA: or, i could just wait until they push a fix :)
[17:39] <ToHellWithGA> encryptz: i dunno about that http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-sparc/current/images/sparc64/netboot/2.6/
[17:39] <danage> i just hope they know there is somethign that needs fixing :)
[17:39] <ToHellWithGA> granted that's not the exact folder you want unless you're doing a sparc64 netboot install
[17:39] <ToHellWithGA> but it seems there is a port on the official ubuntu archive for sparc
[17:39] <ToHellWithGA> danage: i do not trust network-manager
[17:40] <wxPython> hello
[17:40] <wxPython> anything about hardy?
[17:40] <danage> i do not trust compiz
[17:40] <ToHellWithGA> i have had it do it's "i'm a one little green ball with a swirling whatever, oh look i'm a two little green ball, oh look i'm a 70% signal strength" then go right back to disconnected
[17:40] <danage> but that's another story
[17:40] <ToHellWithGA> wxPython: what about it?
[17:41] <lacostej> hei hei. Just upgraded my lenovo N100 3000 to hardy and I am facing several issues.  linux-image-generic seems to hang pretty early in the boot process, so I use -386 (in which only one core is used but I guess this is normal). So under -386, network manager doesn't seem to detect my wireless card at all. I haven't look at the wireless command line tools.
[17:41] <lacostej> s/look/looked/
[17:42] <ToHellWithGA> lacostej: what kind of wireless chipset do you have?
[17:42] <lacostej> intel
[17:42] <ToHellWithGA> wow cool
[17:42] <lacostej> was working fine with 7.04 and 7.10
[17:42] <ToHellWithGA> that should have a free driver then :/
[17:42] <ToHellWithGA> i like my intel video for having current free drivers
[17:42] <wxPython> what does out-of-the-box mean?
[17:43] <ToHellWithGA> do you recall the chip's module's name?
[17:43] <lacostej> yep. Only non free is nvidia. Cause I expected nouveau to earlier than it will
[17:43] <ToHellWithGA> wxPython: i think it means default
[17:43] <ToHellWithGA> something you get as soon as you install, with no modifications or updates necessary
[17:44] <Flannel> lacostej: try booting the generic kernel while turning off acpi and stuff
[17:44] <wxPython> http://wubi-installer.org/
[17:45] <lacostej> ToHellWithGA: I think it was 3945. I can go and check. PC is not in same room as it doesn't work wirelessly now :)
[17:45] <lacostej> Flannel: will try
[17:45] <lacostej> tx
[17:45] <ToHellWithGA> lacostej: lol yeah that'll happen
[17:47] <ToHellWithGA> lacostej: 'lsmod' in a terminal will output modules currently in use.  if you can't read very quickly you can 'lsmod |more' to go page by page
[17:47] <ToHellWithGA> if you can find your module's name and it isn't in there, try loading it with "sudo modprobe [name]"
[17:47] <ToHellWithGA> that may get it going
[17:56] <murlidhar> there is NO jigdo file for hardy heron . Any news when will they release a jigdo file for it.
[17:57] <murlidhar> i mean the desktop  version doesn't have it.
[17:57] <murlidhar> the alternate version has a jigdo.
[17:58] <murlidhar> how come an ubuntu channel is so quiet.?
[17:58] <Flannel> Thats because the desktop version doesn't have much to jigdo
[17:59] <murlidhar> Flannel, but i want to upgrade to alpha 5 from alpha 1
[17:59] <YazzY> good evening ladies and gentelmen
[18:00] <YazzY> so its safe to update glibc now ?
[18:00] <ToHellWithGA> murlidhar: sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[18:00] <ToHellWithGA> and hold on
[18:00] <ToHellWithGA> it's not like hardy alpha A vs alpha B are windows 98 and XP
[18:00] <ToHellWithGA> it's just a big set of incremental modifications that you can apply with a package manager
[18:00] <Flannel> murlidhar: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:01] <murlidhar> but i just wanted to keep my iso updated:)
[18:01] <Flannel> murlidhar: jigdo downloads the package files on the iso from the package repositories, that's all it does.  Desktop CD doesn't have but half a dozen packages.
[18:02] <YazzY> any idea if the xen kernel would now work with the closed source nvidia driver?
[18:02] <murlidhar> Flannel, u mean alternate cd  has many packages?
[18:02] <Flannel> murlidhar: alternate CD is almost entirely packages.  Desktop CD copies the Live image to your harddrive (the one you boot to).  Alternate (and server) CDs have all the packages, and they install each package, to give you a system.
[18:03] <Flannel> On the desktop CD, that's all done in the casper image when they make the CD
[18:03] <Dex-Freudii> is anybody using Hereon Alpha 6 as its main boot system?
[18:03] <Dex-Freudii> *his main boot system
[18:03] <murlidhar> but i remember gutsy-desktop having jigdo packages
[18:03] <ToHellWithGA> Dex-Freudii: si
[18:03] <ToHellWithGA> on my desktop i am
[18:04] <Dex-Freudii> ToHellWithGA, how is it going?
[18:04] <ToHellWithGA> on the laptop i stick to "stable" releases
[18:04] <murlidhar> when it was in development ofcourse.
[18:04] <ToHellWithGA> i hate firefox 3
[18:04] <lime4x4> i've been using hardy has my main system system alpha 2
[18:04] <ToHellWithGA> i see no benefits and really laggy scrolling and flash
[18:04] <Dex-Freudii> I'm considering installing it, but I'm not sure if I should keep Gusty
[18:04] <ToHellWithGA> flash was already slow enough in linux with firefox 2
[18:04] <Flannel> murlidhar: nope: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/
[18:04] <ToHellWithGA> the gnome desktop looks nicer
[18:04] <ToHellWithGA> the theme is better
[18:05] <ToHellWithGA> every ubuntu release things get prettier
[18:05] <Dex-Freudii> ToHellWithGA, why do you say the theme is better?
[18:05] <murlidhar> strange.
[18:05] <murlidhar> weird.
[18:05] <Flannel> murlidhar: but again, with jigdo and the desktop images, it's almost identical to downloading the iso over http
[18:06] <Flannel> Mayb a few dozen MB difference. between the main portion of the jigdo and the full iso
[18:06] <ToHellWithGA> Dex-Freudii: great wallpaper for one
[18:06] <murlidhar> Flannel, u mean desktop iso can't be used by jigdo?
[18:06] <ToHellWithGA> it is ubuntu tan/brown but with a painted heron
[18:06] <Dex-Freudii> ok
[18:06] <ToHellWithGA> slight modifications to wait-for-me% bars
[18:06] <ToHellWithGA> better looking applications/places/system menu
[18:06] <Dex-Freudii> and, is it stable in terms of everyday use for an experienced user?
[18:06] <Flannel> murlidhar: I mean if you want to download the desktop ISO, and you're thinking "I'll use jigdo", you might as well just download the iso, you'll notice almost no difference.
[18:07] <ToHellWithGA> lol depends
[18:07] <ToHellWithGA> if you just use ubuntu-desktop then it is ok
[18:07] <Dex-Freudii> depends on what?
[18:07] <ToHellWithGA> i mean it's pretty much beta now
[18:07] <murlidhar> Flannel, u whole concept of jigdo doesn't happen with desktop-iso.?
[18:07] <ToHellWithGA> it's not all alpha and breaky if that's what you mean
[18:07] <jimmygoon> thats what I was thinking. how is jigdo even better than http?
[18:07] <Dex-Freudii> what does "use ubuntu-desktop" mean?
[18:07] <Flannel> murlidhar: right.  jigdo doesn't help with desktop images.
[18:07] <ToHellWithGA> it has quirks still but it isn't crashing
[18:07] <Flannel> jimmygoon: it's distributed, and uses package mirrors instead of cd mirrors
[18:08] <ToHellWithGA> Dex-Freudii: it's the meta-package that has all the default applications and settings for ubuntu as a desktop installation
[18:08] <Dex-Freudii> but why do you say "if you just use" that?
[18:08] <jimmygoon> Flannel, how does it do that when downloading the iso? it knows about the iso file to retrieve the packages and locally rebuild the iso?
[18:08] <ToHellWithGA> the more oddball stuff you try to use and add, the more you see little hiccups
[18:08] <murlidhar> Flannel, well due to low bandwidth resources i might weight for the final release of the desktop-iso but i will use jigdo for alternate-cd . What do u think?
[18:08] <ToHellWithGA> that's really the case for anything though
[18:09] <Dex-Freudii> ToHellWithGA, I see
[18:09] <murlidhar> Flannel, weight*-   wait
[18:09] <ToHellWithGA> it just becomes more obvious when the broken bits are essential to running things
[18:09] <Flannel> murlidhar: The bandwidth you use will be almost identical, if not exactly identical.
[18:09] <ToHellWithGA> Dex-Freudii: i would try it out if i were you
[18:09] <ToHellWithGA> i don't have enough big issues with it that i'd advise against it
[18:10] <Dex-Freudii> I really want to try it, but if I wanted to keep 7.10 on my system, I have to reorganize partitions... and It's kinda tiring and boring
[18:10] <Flannel> jimmygoon: It only works on the alternate/server CDs, it downloads the core (deb-install) from the cd mirror, then downloads the packages that are on the CD from the deb mirrors
[18:10] <MM2> how stable is Hardy Heron A6?
[18:10] <jimmygoon> Flannel, wow. thats neat
[18:10] <Flannel> MM2: It's alpha software.
[18:10] <ToHellWithGA> Dex-Freudii: how about this idea
[18:10] <ToHellWithGA> don't keep 7.10, keep a 7.10 disc handy
[18:11] <MM2> How far it is from release?
[18:11] <murlidhar> Flannel, even for alternate-cd ? No . i guess jidgo will help me save bandwidth cuz i don't have to download the whole iso everytime it releases.
[18:11] <ToHellWithGA> if /home is on its own partition, you can install from a live CD, tell it to use you /home partition, and then switch back if you have to
[18:11] <MakotoTheKnight> Probably a month or so
[18:11] <Flannel> MM2: it's released at the end of april.
[18:11] <Dex-Freudii> heh... the thing is all the packages I have already downloaded
[18:11] <MM2> I need to set up a server and I would like to install new LTS version, not old
[18:11] <ToHellWithGA> ach, do you know what they are?
[18:11] <Dex-Freudii> yep
[18:11] <murlidhar> 24 april is the guess.
[18:11] <ToHellWithGA> i keep a list of the ones i have installed
[18:12] <ToHellWithGA> i run 'sudo aptitude install `cat packagelist.txt`' when i reinstall
[18:12] <ToHellWithGA> sweet munny and its doney
[18:12] <Flannel> murlidhar: You still need to download all the contents of the CD.  You can't get new information without downloading it.
[18:12] <Dex-Freudii> where are packages kept on the hard disk? maybe I can just backup them, and if I need them just reinstall without downloading again
[18:12] <ToHellWithGA> it's just a text file in my home directory, nothing elegant
[18:12] <ToHellWithGA> Dex-Freudii: /var/cache/apt/
[18:12] <Flannel> !cloning
[18:12] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[18:13] <ToHellWithGA> Flannel: wouldn't that be... crappy?
[18:13] <ToHellWithGA> i mean it would pick wrong versions of any packages installed by version
[18:13] <ToHellWithGA> like say "libcurl3-dev"
[18:13] <ToHellWithGA> and it would have a massive list
[18:15] <murlidhar> Flannel, see u are not able to get my point.  suppose the alternate cd has 645mb or something i will have to download it anyway. but when a new alternate-iso is released i don't have to download the whole cd but only the packages that are missing from the old iso. Hence i do not have to download the whole 645mb again and again.
[18:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> when i run checkinstall the requires listed is not right but i couldn't change it
[18:16] <murlidhar> Flannel, am i right.?
[18:16] <murlidhar> sorry if i bugged you.
[18:16] <Flannel> murlidhar: If any of the packages are actually not updated, sure.  But we're in the alpha stages, I'll bet 80% of the packages will be updated, if not more.
[18:17] <Dex-Freudii> ToHellWithGA, not all packages are in /var/cache/apt right?
[18:17] <murlidhar> whoah . now that's a news for me.
[18:17] <ToHellWithGA> Dex-Freudii: i think they are
[18:17] <ToHellWithGA> but it auto-cleans
[18:17] <ToHellWithGA> a good reason to keep a list
[18:18] <ToHellWithGA> you don't want /var/cache/apt/ to become a repository unto itself
[18:18] <ToHellWithGA> it's just a place to hang onto packages while they are somewhat fresh
[18:18] <murlidhar> Flannel, then i guess i will have to wait till beta comes. :(
[18:19] <Dex-Freudii> ToHellWithGA, I think I'll try hereon now
[18:19] <Dex-Freudii> heh
[18:19] <ToHellWithGA> murlidhar: i don't know much about squashfs but are the packages on install cds not compressed into some other file anyway?
[18:19] <Dex-Freudii> maybe next time (in  half an hour) you see me online I'm on Hereon
[18:19] <ToHellWithGA> i'd think it would be difficult to squeeze little bits of an archive together from old and new parts
[18:19] <mooboo1> not many updates past days
[18:19] <ToHellWithGA> Dex-Freudii: heron lol
[18:20] <ToHellWithGA> hereon looks like heroin a bit too much
[18:20] <ToHellWithGA> mooboo1: is that bad?
[18:20] <murlidhar> ToHellWithGA, in alternate cd, NO. that is the reason why jigdo is provided for alternate-cd.
[18:20] <mooboo1> Hardy Heroin :D
[18:20] <ToHellWithGA> i kinda like not having updates
[18:20] <mooboo1> ToHellWithGA, i dont know, it sure was more exciting when its was more updates :D
[18:20] <ToHellWithGA> i'd rather not have 50MB of stuff to download daily
[18:20] <mooboo1> true
[18:20] <Dex-Freudii> ToHellWithGA, heh... maybe one has to be high to try it :P
[18:20] <mooboo1> but it was exciting :D
[18:21] <ToHellWithGA> mooboo1: think of how many gigabytes of outdated data we have moved
[18:21] <mooboo1> ya
[18:21] <ToHellWithGA> we may be using the most current 400MB or so
[18:21] <mooboo1> kinda a relief not to have to update so much all time
[18:21] <ToHellWithGA> the rest is just dinosaurs burned in vain
[18:21] <mooboo1> but at least when its update, it feel like ubuntu is developing like an avalance!
[18:21] <Lynoure> Important links in evolution, I'd say
[18:21] <mooboo1> avalanche :D
[18:21] <shoeunited> Anything that is mission critical I wait a few days to update.  Most other updates don't bother me.
[18:21] <Dex-Freudii> If I install alpha 6 now... when stable release comes out, will I have to reinstall? or by updates will I have the stable version?
[18:22] <constrictor> how do i get tracker to index thunderbird email, the option is greyed out in indexing preferences
[18:22] <Flannel> Dex-Freudii: updates
[18:22] <Dex-Freudii> oki
[18:22] <Dex-Freudii>  bbl then
[18:22] <Dex-Freudii> thanks for all
[18:38] <Azzkikr> what's the release date for hardy?
[18:42] <slavik> hardy is not detecting a usb printer
[18:43] <Johan-_> after hopefully fixed the libc6 problem I now have a new problem. Trying to login to gnome all I get is a blue screen and the mouse. Trying to login to kde I get a popup saying "Xsession: unbable to launch /user/lib/kde4/bin/startkde......" Trying to login to xfce4 works.
[18:44] <mooboo1> blue screen? AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!111
[18:44] <mooboo1> oh god, please why did they put it into linux too? OH NO!
[18:45] <Johan-_> :)
[18:45] <Johan-_> not like windows bluescreen
[18:45] <Johan-_> but still
[18:45] <mooboo1> oh
[18:46] <Johan-_> I'm guessing its the standard background. Any ideas on how to fix gnome?
[18:56] <maccam94> the blue screen...
[18:57] <maccam94> i've only seen that on gentoo :-\
[18:57] <maccam94> when i log into the bare xsession when all the other desktop environments are borked
[18:58] <Johan-_> maccam94: so any ideas on how to fix it?
[18:59] <Johan-_> I've reinstalled gnome "apt-get install gnome" that wanted to install the entire thing again, but it still doesnt work
[19:01] <danage> ahhh reinstalling gnome won't give you the right packages for ubuntu
[19:01] <danage> been there before, it's a PAIN
[19:01] <danage> there is a recovery thingy you can install
[19:01] <danage> but i forget
[19:01] <danage> did you try google?
[19:03] <Johan-_> yepp
[19:03] <Johan-_> but dont know what to search for
[19:03] <Johan-_> tried to reconfigure xserver, but didnt work
[19:03] <DanaG> One thing to try: as yourself (NOT ROOT), delete anything that you own under /tmp
[19:03] <ToHellWithGA> is it possible to have a static IP on a wireless network with WPA encryption?
[19:03] <DanaG> Sometimes stuff in /tmp can break Gnome.
[19:03] <danage> ToHellWithGA: of course
[19:03] <ToHellWithGA> whoa danag and danage
[19:03] <danage> not for me, right now, since my wifi is broken
[19:03] <ToHellWithGA> that's not close enough to confuse at all
[19:04] <rsk> seems gitk is a bit broken
[19:04] <rsk> ruskie@ruskie-desktop:~/linux-2.6$ gitk
[19:04] <rsk> exec: 3: /usr/bin/wish8.5: not found
[19:04] <ToHellWithGA> danage: how do you do it?
[19:04] <danage> just set a static ip for in the interfaces file or use the gnome tool for it
[19:04] <ToHellWithGA> i tried to use network-admin to set the IP address
[19:04] <ToHellWithGA> it won't work
[19:04] <ToHellWithGA> (possibly part of network-admin not working in general)
[19:04] <danage> it's a different network layer, it shouldnt have anything to do with encryption
[19:05] <danage> maybe your file corrupted?
[19:05] <danage> it always works for me
[19:05] <ToHellWithGA> my /etc/network/interfaces looked ok
[19:05] <ToHellWithGA> i just never got an ip address
[19:05] <danage> thats the problem i have right now
[19:05] <danage> do you have atheros?
[19:05] <ToHellWithGA> iwconfig looked like it was on the right AP and all that
[19:05] <ToHellWithGA> ralink
[19:05] <danage> SAME PROBLEM HERE
[19:05] <ToHellWithGA> WHOA!
[19:05] <danage> can you get dynamic ip tho?
[19:05] <ToHellWithGA> capslock is awesome
[19:05] <ToHellWithGA> yeah i can get dhcp
[19:06] <danage> ah
[19:06] <danage> well
[19:06] <danage> different problem
[19:06] <ToHellWithGA> i just can't get a fixed IP
[19:06] <danage> you ap might not allow static
[19:06] <danage> do you have the right routing settings
[19:06] <ToHellWithGA> \echo{WHOA!}
[19:06] <danage> subnet
[19:06] <danage> dns
[19:06] <danage> all that
[19:06] <ToHellWithGA> i think so
[19:06] <danage> triple check
[19:06] <ToHellWithGA> i used the ones i got from ifconfig
[19:06] <danage> that might be theproblem
[19:06] <danage> nah
[19:06] <danage> you SET them with ifconfig
[19:06] <ToHellWithGA> just changed the IP so it wouldn't land in the normal range
[19:06] <ToHellWithGA> ifconfig without any parameters echoes the current settings
[19:06] <danage> ifconfig ath0 123.123.0.0
[19:07] <danage> thats how you set
[19:07] <danage> yeah
[19:07] <ToHellWithGA> i might try that
[19:07] <danage> make sure you got the router as your gateway
[19:07] <danage> and dns are correct
[19:07] <danage> dunno how you set that
[19:07] <ToHellWithGA> the router is 192.168.1.1, i picked 192.168.1.99 as my IP since .100-150 are DHCP'd
[19:08] <ToHellWithGA> i just couldn't get it to stick
[19:08] <ToHellWithGA> how very frustrating
[19:09] <danage> it is getting more interesting
[19:09] <danage> there is a network manager manager now
[19:09] <ToHellWithGA> i'll be back on my laptop so i can kill and rekill this machine
[19:13] <thiemster> how much does 8.04 alpha 6 crash?
[19:14] <LinAsH> not that much
[19:14] <thiemster> does it work OK with 256MB of ram
[19:14] <LinAsH> since gnome got stable
[19:14] <thiemster> thx
[19:14] <LinAsH> (2.6.22 was release last week)
[19:15] <thiemster> i want to install it for someone else who has only used linux a little bit before
[19:15] <thiemster> so they might not know what to do if it crashed
[19:15] <amx109> chaps, how do i get kvm installed on hardy (ie non server)
[19:18] <LinAsH> thiemster, 256 MB is really too few for, first the graphic installation, second the full system with gnome. You might want to use XFCE (Xubuntu)
[19:18] <thiemster> LinAsH: i have another computer with 512MB. will it work ok for that?
[19:18] <LinAsH> yeah no prb
[19:18] <thiemster> thx
[19:23] <YazzY> any idea if the xen kernel would now work with the closed source nvidia driver?
[19:25] <Dex-Freudii> hi
[19:25] <Johan-_> ok, cleaned /tmp reconfigured xserver and restarted. Still no gnome
[19:25] <Dex-Freudii> I just installed heron alphsa 6
[19:25] <Johan-_> and kde is in the wrong resolution and the correct doesnt show up
[19:26] <savvas> YazzY: it should, doesn't it work? check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf if Driver "nvidia" line is present
[19:27] <savvas> you broke it again Johan-_
[19:27] <savvas> :P
[19:27] <Johan-_> savvas: never got it working :/
[19:27] <savvas> which one?
[19:28] <Johan-_> gnome
[19:28] <Johan-_> all i get is a blue screen with the mouse. Kde and xfce gives me the wrong resolution
[19:28] <Johan-_> :(
[19:28] <savvas> ah i remember
[19:28] <savvas> sudo dplg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[19:28] <savvas> *dpkg
[19:28] <feld> anyone here run ubuntu with LUKS?
[19:28] <Johan-_> yes
[19:29] <Johan-_> savvas: doesnt help
[19:29] <Dex-Freudii> when trying to download flash plugin for firefox. it freezes. I'm using 64-bit system
[19:29] <savvas> darn
[19:29] <feld> or hardy rather.... with LUKS.
[19:29] <savvas> Johan-_: what's your graphics card?
[19:29] <YazzY> savvas: the problem is not with the driver, the problem with with the kernel not "telling" the driver about its version
[19:30] <Johan-_> savvas: some nvidia geforece 6 on the motherboard
[19:31] <Johan-_> savvas: never been a problem before :/
[19:31] <savvas> Johan-_: sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-vesa
[19:32] <Johan-_> savvas: already installed
[19:32] <feld> alright here's my setup which just stopped working for the second time: software raid1 /boot, software raid1 LUKS encrypted partition with LVM root/home/swap. Hardy worked a couple of boots with no issues and then it stops working.
[19:33] <feld> vgscan doesnt show any LVM volumes but yet it's using them
[19:33] <feld> root is mounted readonly, but home is fine.
[19:33] <savvas> Johan-_: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard ubuntu-desktop gnome-about
[19:34] <Johan-_> savvas: already done. And no new to install now
[19:34] <savvas> Johan-_: sudo aptitude install gnome-core
[19:35] <Johan-_> nothing new :/
[19:35] <Johan-_> I did a sudo apt-get install gnome before and that installed alot of stuff
[19:36] <savvas> Johan-_: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep vesa
[19:37] <Johan-_> savvas: nothing
[19:37] <Johan-_> hm...
[19:37] <savvas> Johan-_: sudo aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[19:38] <Johan-_> followed by?
[19:39] <savvas> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:39] <savvas> scroll down until the line where you'll find Driver "nvidia"
[19:39] <savvas> switch it to: Driver "vesa"
[19:40] <savvas> then press ctrl-x, press y and enter
[19:40] <Johan-_> I'm guessing this could be the problem
[19:40] <Johan-_> there is no nvidia
[19:40] <savvas> heh
[19:40] <savvas> weird
[19:40] <savvas> can you upload the xorg.conf somewhere?
[19:40] <Johan-_> Section "Device"
[19:40] <Johan-_>         Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[19:40] <Johan-_> EndSection
[19:40] <savvas> lol
[19:41] <savvas> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[19:41] <savvas> let's see if that helps
[19:41] <Johan-_> warrning...
[19:41] <savvas> yeah yeah :p
[19:41] <Johan-_> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[19:41] <Johan-_> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[19:41] <Johan-_>                   Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver
[19:41] <Johan-_>                   line.
[19:41] <savvas> heh
[19:41] <savvas> there we go
[19:41] <savvas> give me a sec
[19:41] <Johan-_> but now it has nvidia
[19:42] <savvas> you said nvidia geforce.. which geforce?
[19:42] <savvas> 6600 ?
[19:42] <Johan-_> don't actualy know
[19:42] <Johan-_> can check
[19:42] <savvas> lspci
[19:42] <savvas> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7300 GT] (rev a1)
[19:42] <savvas> something like that, what's yours :)
[19:43] <Johan-_> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Quadro NVS 210S/GeForce 6150LE] (rev a2)
[19:43] <savvas> ok hold a sec
[19:43] <Johan-_> ok... now I get a black screen
[19:43] <savvas> apt-cache policy nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new
[19:43] <savvas> which one do you have?
[19:43] <Stroganoff> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/202959
[19:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202959 in base-installer "[hardy] generating locales stalls on 64mb ram" [Undecided,New]
[19:44] <Stroganoff> any oppinions?
[19:44] <Johan-_> both nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new
[19:44] <Johan-_> or no
[19:44] <Johan-_> sorry
[19:44] <Johan-_> only nvidia-glx-new
[19:44] <Johan-_> "nvidia-glx-new:
[19:44] <Johan-_>   Installerad: 169.12+2.6.24.11-12.31
[19:44] <Johan-_> "
[19:45] <savvas> ok let me see if it's supported
[19:45] <savvas> yep
[19:46] <savvas> Johan-_: sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx-new
[19:47] <Johan-_> now I get a blue screen followed by a black
[19:48] <savvas> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[19:48] <Johan-_> and now a "Sorry, the program "compiz.real" ended unexpected"
[19:48] <Johan-_> on a popup
[19:49] <xtknight> the current hardy updates are fine to use right?  (no libc bug)
[19:49] <savvas> sudo apt-get reinstall compiz-core
[19:49] <xtknight> i mean now is a good time to "update" ?
[19:49] <rsk> xtknight: sure if the mirror is updating at least once per day
[19:49] <xtknight> k
[19:50] <savvas> Johan-_: don't do extra stuff please, what does the gdm restart command say?
[19:51] <Johan-_> that gave me a nvidea splash, a blue screen and then a blackscreen with the mouse
[19:51] <savvas> bummer
[19:51] <Johan-_> the same after the compiz-core reinstall
[19:52] <savvas> Johan-_: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[19:52] <savvas> Johan-_: brb
[19:55] <savvas> Johan-_: sudo wget http://pastebin.ca/raw/945227 -O /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:55] <savvas> Johan-_: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[19:56] <Johan-_> black then blue screen
[19:56] <Johan-_> with the mouse
[19:56] <Johan-_> :/
[19:59] <savvas> lol
[19:59] <savvas> black n blue theme by johan :P
[19:59] <savvas> Johan-_: try now: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[20:00] <savvas> and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[20:00] <Johan-_> always nice to be able to chose them by my own
[20:00] <Johan-_> the command was not found
[20:00] <Johan-_> try now: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[20:00] <Johan-_> of
[20:00] <Johan-_> nv :D
[20:01] <savvas> johm?
[20:01] <savvas> *hm ?
[20:01] <Johan-_> still get errors with the "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[20:01] <savvas> such as?
[20:01] <Johan-_> nvidea splash, then a blue screen then black with mouse
[20:02] <Johan-_> WARNING: The CorePointer device was not specified explicitly in the layout;
[20:02] <Johan-_>          using the first mouse device.
[20:02] <Johan-_> WARNING: The CoreKeyboard device was not specified explicitly in the layout;
[20:02] <Johan-_>          using the first keyboard device.
[20:02] <Johan-_> so they aren't importent right now :)
[20:03] <savvas> Johan-_: sudo apt-cache policy kdm | grep Installed
[20:03] <Johan-_> im trying to login to gnome right now, just so that you know
[20:03] <savvas> you managed to bring it up?
[20:03] <Johan-_> "sudo apt-cache policy kdm | grep Installed" gives nothing
[20:04] <Johan-_> just thought that kdm is for kdm
[20:04] <Johan-_> kde
[20:04] <Johan-_> I thing
[20:04] <savvas> apt-cache policy kdm
[20:04] <Johan-_> kdm:
[20:04] <Johan-_>   Installerad: (ingen)
[20:04] <Johan-_>   Kandidat: 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1
[20:04] <Johan-_> so not installed
[20:04] <savvas> ah ok
[20:05] <savvas> how did you login to gnome if you say you get blue/black screen? :\
[20:05] <savvas> did you use envy or... nvidia driver from their website without uninstalling?
[20:06] <Johan-_> login with gdm
[20:06] <Johan-_> I get the ubuntu people them, type my name and password...
[20:06] <savvas> ah you get the gdm
[20:06] <Johan-_> might have missed to tell you that :/
[20:06] <savvas> why don't you say so :P
[20:07] <encryptz> so, earlier i asked about hardy dropping sparc support, and i was curious about the reasoning. anyone know why?
[20:07] <savvas> \you kept telling me about blue screens
[20:07] <savvas> :\
[20:07] <Johan-_> thought I said so before...
[20:07] <Johan-_> yes well, I get blue/black screens
[20:07] <savvas> well.. now that we know it works..
[20:07] <savvas> gimme a sec
[20:07] <savvas> you know how to add a new user?
[20:07] <Johan-_> yes
[20:07] <Johan-_> more or less
[20:08] <Johan-_> useradd
[20:08] <Johan-_> oh... but now my girlfriend done with the food. She will kill me if I dont eat with here :)
[20:09] <Johan-_> thank you so very much for the help so far and I really hope you'll be here later :D
[20:09] <savvas> ok the deal is to add a new user and try login
[20:09] <savvas> I hope so too ;p
[20:09] <savvas> highlight my nick i'll reply if here :)
[20:16] <BaD-AcerLaptop> tuesday = beta, right?
[20:18] <Flannel> BaD-AcerLaptop: Thursday, but thats not necessarily hard/fast
[20:23] <jimmygoon> It's slightly disappointing that to change my password, I have to change it in several places. sudo, passwd, and keyrings :( which I guess is to be expected to a degree
[20:25] <Flannel> jimmygoon: I dont know what you mean by sudo.  If you mean what I think you mean, passwd does that already.
[20:25] <Flannel> The keyring password is arbitrary, not necessarily set by your user password, which is why that's required to manually change.
[20:26] <jimmygoon> I had to do passwd for my user, sudo passwd (maybe I didn't have to do that as well, I did that one first and it didn't change my user pass, and then the keyring... as for the keyring, like I said, to be expected to a degree but alarming when you log in successfully and then later go to do something and get prompted for a different password
[20:26] <Flannel> sudo passwd is wrong.  That sets the root password.  You want to "sudo passwd -l root" to re-lock it.
[20:27] <tyson_> Hello
[20:27] <lemmy> hi, after an update to hardy 6 I'm stuck with a broken network-manager. for some reason it's not connecting to a network although it shows up in the nm-applet
[20:27] <tyson_> can anyone help me to install k3b ?
[20:27] <Johan-_> savvas: back :)
[20:27] <Johan-_> savvas: or not, sorry... "fika"
[20:28] <tyson_> HELP .... ANYONE TO HELP ??????
[20:29] <Flannel> tyson_: sudo apt-get install k3b
[20:29] <tyson_> I thought that by now we would all know the meaning of UBUNTU..... or not
[20:29] <tyson_> Thanks flannel
[20:29] <Flannel> tyson_: You probably shouldn't be using Hardy
[20:29] <tyson_> Flannel can i show u something in private, jst 4 1 second
[20:30] <savvas> tyson_: hardy is unstable
[20:30] <tyson_> i gt Gutsy Gibbon
[20:30] <Flannel> tyson_: then #ubuntu is the place for help, not here.
[20:31] <tyson_> lol ... wots hardy ???/
[20:31] <tyson_> ok, thank u
[20:52] <jimmygoon> Flannel, I just read back up there... if I did "sudo passwd" I activated the root account.... hm
[20:55] <Johan-_> savvas: ok, Im back :)
[20:56] <jimmygoon> And is anyone else experiencing high temps on their pc's with hardy.. .my laptop is toasty (more than usual) and the fan is barely running....
[20:58] <Flannel> jimmygoon: right, "sudo passwd -l root" will disable it again
[20:58] <jimmygoon> Flannel, great. thanks.
[20:59] <Johan-_> savvas: I've added a new user and tried to login to Gnome and it works. So I'm guessing I could just remove all gnome settings for my old user and it might work again?
[21:00] <Johan-_> savvas: sorry for all the trouble
[21:13] <Scientus> :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~( :~(...
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[21:14] <Flannel> !ops | Scientus
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[21:14] <ubotu> Scientus: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[21:14] <orvokki> For the love of God...
[21:14] <jpatrick> tonyyarusso: to late!
[21:14] <tonyyarusso> jpatrick: prevents a second at least, since otherwise he could return.
[21:15] <ompaul> watch my lag
[21:15] <orvokki> tonyyarusso: Unless he uses a different hostname next time.
[21:15] <MidMark> guys since last updates (no idea exactly which one) my wireless doesn't find "ipv6 routers" and then internet stop to work... any idea?
[21:16] <MidMark> seems that try to set an ipv6 dns or something similar
[21:23] <MidMark> anyone?
[21:37] <savvas> Johan-_: yeah mv .gnome folder to something else, it should work :)
[21:38] <savvas> ls johan
[21:38] <savvas> oops
[21:40] <Johan-_> savvas: yepp :D its working
[21:40] <savvas> great :)
[21:40] <Johan-_> except that my screen resolution is wrong :/
[21:41] <Johan-_> and I cant change back. But guess I can do a reconfigure
[21:43] <Johan-_> and now the resolution is correct as well
[21:43] <Johan-_> thanks :D
[21:44] <savvas> n/p :P
[21:44] <savvas> you did half the job ;)
[21:46] <Johan-_> true, but you did all the thinking
[21:46] <XIXaQ> has anyone run vmware server 1.05 on hardy yet?
[21:58] <lacostej> can someone running hardy report whether this: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name "*iwl*.*" finds anything on their system ? It looks like iwlwifi is not compiled in 2.6.24-12-* which means no wireless for me
[22:01] <zooto68> hi
[22:02] <zooto68> anybody here?
[22:02] <rsk> maybe
[22:03] <maccam94> yups
[22:03] <Stroganoff> slightly
[22:04] <jimmygoon> :( /etc/init.d/gdm restart crashed my sys again
[22:04] <MidMark> lacostej: yes there are /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/ubuntu/wireless
[22:05] <DanaG> I want the old ipw3945 back... it worked better than the new iwl3945.
[22:05] <lacostej> looks like linux-ubuntu-modules for 386 were not installed...
[22:05] <maccam94> DanaG: you can still use it i believe
[22:06] <maccam94> sudo modprobe -r iwl3945 && sudo modprobe ipw3945
[22:06] <DanaG> ipw3945 isn't packaged.
[22:06] <maccam94> daaang
[22:06] <MidMark> lacostej: 386 doesn't exist anymore (apart for compatibilities) you mean -generic?
[22:06] <maccam94> well i don't really care
[22:07] <maccam94> i hate having the wifi light always on anyway, and the ipw driver would freeze up my system if it got too much activity
[22:07] <DanaG> Oh wait, it is packaged; it's just not depmod'ed, or something.
[22:07] <Flannel> -386 still exists
[22:08] <DanaG> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/wireless/ipw3945/ipw3945.ko
[22:08] <MidMark> yea but really someone needs it?
[22:08] <DanaG> Okay, the module is there, but not loadable.
[22:08] <DanaG> modinfo doesn't find it, either.
[22:08] <MidMark> DanaG: that is gutsy not hardy
[22:08] <maccam94> DanaG: really? locate ipw3945 just finds the firmware for me
[22:08] <MidMark> in hardy doesn't exist anymore
[22:08] <maccam94> ah that would be it
[22:09] <Ienorand> Are other people than me having trouble with wired network, I can't get connection?
[22:09] <maccam94> yeah 2.6.22 is gutsy
[22:09] <DanaG> aah.
[22:09] <DanaG> I somehow misread that line.
[22:09] <MidMark> lenorand: yes me, seems kernel searches for ipv6 routers :|
[22:09] <DanaG> iwl3945 sucks -- sometimes the card will hang, and then if you try to rmmod it, that hangs and eats CPU.
[22:10] <DanaG> And you can't do anything to kill modprobe or rmmod.
[22:10] <Ienorand> hm... is there any fix underway?
[22:10] <MidMark> I found one but haven't tried yet
[22:10] <MidMark> wait...
[22:10] <DanaG> It (with NetworkManager) also sucks at roaming between different APs with the same SSID.
[22:10] <jimmygoon> even /etc/init.d/gdm stop kills it the whole thing just dies
[22:10] <maccam94> DanaG: modprobe -r iwl3945?
[22:11] <MidMark> edit the /etc/modprobe.d/aliases file -> Change "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" to "alias net-pf-10 off"
[22:11] <MidMark> try it and report back :)
[22:11] <DanaG> Right now my card isn't dead, so that's not going to be an issue.
[22:11] <DanaG> It mostly breaks on resume from suspend.
[22:12] <MidMark> I was talking to lenorand
[22:12] <Ienorand> Ah, I don't think i can try that right now, is in the middle of homework, but as soon as I'm done here in XP I will.
[22:13] <MidMark> anyway it's a recent update that break it
[22:13] <MidMark> at least for me
[22:14] <Ienorand> Yea, must've been  in the last few days..
[22:15] <alex_mayorga> how do I regain my video
[22:15] <alex_mayorga> I can only see a rainbow of flashing colors :(
[22:16] <alex_mayorga> how do I re-enable vesa, looks like nv doesn-t like my nvidia card
[22:16] <Ienorand> is that after installing ati driver?
[22:16] <Ienorand> oh nevermind then....
[22:17] <seezer> alex_mayorga: there is a 'vesa' driver
[22:17] <alex_mayorga> how do I make it fall back to vesa? at least
[22:17] <seezer> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:17] <MidMark> start in failsafe mode
[22:20] <lacostej> FYI (and the chat logs): installing linux-ubuntu-modules for i386 fixed sound and wireless issues. Now let's try to get the -generic one to work so that I can get my dual core back...
[22:20] <MidMark> mmm really?
[22:21] <Pici>  /j #ubuntu-read-topic
[22:21] <Pici> er
[22:22] <alex_mayorga> MidMark, how do I force it to go failsafe
[22:22] <alex_mayorga> I can't even see gdm
[22:22] <MidMark> during boot, grub prompt to you the option, isn't?
[22:23] <henri1> anyone here familiar with mencoder and x264 ? i keep getting a "FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver"
[22:23] <alex_mayorga> yes, but I've tried all in that menu, including fix x or something like that
[22:24] <alex_mayorga> what command can I use so I can select the vesa driver again and at last get video back
[22:24] <henri1> my options are currently :mencoder tori.rm -ovc x264 -x264encopts pass=1:cql=26 -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3
[22:25] <MidMark> alex_mayorga: see seezer answer
[22:28] <Ienorand> How did you install the nv driver, jockey (restricted-manager) or from nvidia?
[22:31] <alex_mayorga> not even vi displays OK on my current settings, so I can-t much edit xorg.conf
[22:31] <oxigen> Ienorand: i used (successfully) restricted-manager
[22:31] <alex_mayorga> by the way this is bug 146706
[22:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Gutsy Beta] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[22:43] <alex_mayorga> !xorg
[22:43] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[22:44] <savvas> what do you need alex_mayorga
[22:45] <jimmygoon> I don't know if anyone had been around for my ranting and raving about getting my X config setup right between the working i810 and my problems with 'intel' but I think I maybe having  small successes. At least I know other 855GM users basically all suffer the same problem :S
[22:45] <cyphase> I know Tracker is going to be disabled by default in Hardy, but will there be some sort of pop-up/balloon asking the user if they want to enable it?
[22:46] <alex_mayorga> savvas, I need my video back :(
[22:46] <jimmygoon> I was just think Tracker was maturing... all its lacking for me is thunderbird integration and I may need to install a package for that
[22:46] <savvas> alex_mayorga: nvidia? :)
[22:46] <alex_mayorga> yay! a pesky nvidia gforce go 440
[22:47] <jimmygoon> savvas are you a dev?
[22:47] <savvas> GeForce4 MX 440 ?
[22:47] <savvas> no jimmygoon
[22:47] <jimmygoon> oh ok, for some reason I was under the impression you were ;)
[22:48] <savvas> just helping around ;p
[22:48] <savvas> I'm so sick to go out and do anything else at the moment
[22:48] <alex_mayorga> nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go] (rev a3)
[22:48] <savvas> I've been 3 days in bed, curse you common cold!
[22:49] <alex_mayorga> thats what lspci syas at least
[22:49] <savvas> alex_mayorga: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
[22:49] <jimmygoon_> (I don't have lspci installed... should I)
[22:50] <savvas> jimmygoon: sudo aptitude install pciutils
[22:50] <alex_mayorga> savvas, hold on a sec, I'm on my nth reboot for the day
[22:50] <savvas> and you should :P
[22:50] <jimmygoon> says its at latest veresion
[22:50] <savvas> jimmygoon: sudo aptitude reinstall pciutils
[22:50] <Stroganoff> why is "low memory mode" gone in hardy, whyyy?
[22:51] <ethana2> "low memory mode"
[22:51] <ethana2> will that make it easier to run on the wii and ps3?
[22:51] <savvas> what is that? :p
[22:51] <ethana2> heh, the wii is what, 32MB?  ^_^
[22:51] <savvas> hm.. backwards compatibility for older machines? :)
[22:51] <cyphase> does anyone know what happened to local network game play with gnome-games?
[22:51] <ethana2> no, 64 I think
[22:51] <ethana2> cyphase: i don't know, but i want it
[22:51] <jimmygoon_> savvas, much better, thansk
[22:52] <cyphase> ethana2: yes :)
[22:52] <alex_mayorga> savvas, I'm still stuck at a rainbow of flashing colors, please enlighten me
[22:52] <savvas> jimmygoon_: check if you have lsusb, if not: sudo aptitude reinstall usbutils
[22:52] <ethana2> unless they give us a gnome game zone server in repos ;)
[22:52] <savvas> alex_mayorga: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
[22:52] <savvas> alex_mayorga: i need the installed and the candidate version
[22:53] <jimmygoon_> aight. well do
[22:53] <alex_mayorga> sudo that?
[22:53] <savvas> alex_mayorga: no need, it's just checking the cache, you're not adding/removing anything :)
[22:54] <alex_mayorga> installed (none)
[22:55] <jimmygoon_> savvas, is there any chance that could have been affecting something like gnome/X ?
[22:55] <alex_mayorga> candidate 1:96.43.05+2.6.24.11-12.31
[22:55] <savvas> alex_mayorga: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-legacy
[22:55] <savvas> alex_mayorga: is the legacy installed?
[22:55] <alex_mayorga> savvas, that's if I didn't copied incorrectly from my borked desktop
[22:56] <savvas> jimmygoon_: maybe, don't know if packages use lsusb or lspci
[22:57] <jimmygoon_> well I guess I'm gonna go try a few things then...
[22:57] <savvas> jimmygoon_: it's good to have them for hardward issues though :)
[22:57] <jimmygoon> savvas, which I am having... which is actually what made me realize I was missing it
[22:57] <savvas> hm..
[22:57] <savvas> alpha 5 or alpha 6?
[22:58] <savvas> your first install?
[22:58] <savvas> alex_mayorga: what does the installed version say: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-legacy
[22:58] <jimmygoon> savvas, me? First install. alpha 6 from yesterday all up to day
[22:59] <alex_mayorga> savvas: (none) and 71.86.04+2.6.24.11-12.31
[22:59] <savvas> jimmygoon: upgraded or clean install? because upgrades usually have problems :)
[22:59] <jimmygoon> savvas, nope. clean installed. wiped the disc - xp and reinstalled
[22:59] <savvas> alex_mayorga: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[23:00] <jimmygoon> well, I guess it was worth a shot. gnome-settings-daemon still crashes though, he
[23:00] <savvas> try reinstall it
[23:01] <savvas> jimmygoon: hint: dpkg -S gnome-settings-daemon
[23:01] <savvas> ;)
[23:01] <jimmygoon> savvas, its a documented bug with xrandr or gnome-settings-daemon but I'll give it a try ;)
[23:01] <alex_mayorga> savvas: Unmet dependenciesa, I've just "cured" my desktop from the topic bug :(
[23:01] <nandemonai> Hmm. Hi peoples. Anyone had troubles with grub defoptions and usplash? I have the resolution set properly in /etc/usplash.conf (1280x1024) and it works on shutdown but not on bootup(still 640x480). With grub defoptions, if I set vga=XXX (I've tried a few that _should_ work) I just get a blank console with a cursor.
[23:01] <savvas> alex_mayorga: you should say so then, don't update
[23:02] <savvas> alex_mayorga: the candidate version: apt-cache policy libc6
[23:02] <Subhuman> nandemonai, similar but i havent really looked into it much since i normally just suspend so i never see the boot.
[23:02] <alex_mayorga> savvas 2.7-9ubuntu2
[23:03] <savvas> alex_mayorga: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude reinstall libc6
[23:03] <oxigen> what's the command for running memtest86+?
[23:03] <oxigen> :P
[23:03] <jimmygoon> savvas, we'll see if that helped... 'tis rebooting ... no wait... it crashed on reboot so I'll have to manually power off ... grr this is a frustrating bug
[23:04] <rsk> oxigen: bootup with the ubuntu cd and select memtest
[23:04] <rsk> oxigen: can't run it in an OS
[23:04] <oxigen> rsk: thanks
[23:04] <nandemonai> Okies Subhuman, I'll hunt around and see if anyone has filed a bug. It's odd cause it was working on my gutsy upgrade but now after a Alpha 6 reinstall it's not.
[23:05] <Subhuman> im jus glad to see suspend finally stable on my laptop :)
[23:05] <Subhuman> no black magic required ;)
[23:05] <savvas> oxigen: you run memtest86+ when you reboot your machine: sudo apt-get install memtest86+
[23:06] <alex_mayorga> savvas: now my console has ran below the lower border of my screen, I can't see what's going on :(
[23:06] <jimmygoon> savvas, same as before... timeout from message bus and a segfault, oh well, good thought
[23:06] <savvas> alex_mayorga: use ctrl-alt-F1 or ctrl-alt-F2
[23:07] <oxigen> savvas: yes thanks, i have it, but didn't know you can't run it from os, but it's quite logical after second thought..
[23:07] <bmk789> anyone had luck with flash on firefox 3 in hardy 64bit?
[23:07] <savvas> jimmygoon: sorry to hear that :\
[23:08] <savvas> bmk789: yeah
[23:08] <bmk789> savvas: what did you have to do?
[23:08] <savvas> bmk789: sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[23:09] <savvas> I had some problems myself though
[23:09] <savvas> had to remove some stuff first :P
[23:09] <bmk789> download failed :\
[23:09] <savvas> failed?
[23:10] <bmk789> when trying to download the flash tar.gz
[23:10] <bmk789> oops, i think thats my proxy
[23:10] <bmk789> there it goes
[23:10] <savvas>     0K .......... .......... .......... .......... ..........  1%   52.18 KB/s
[23:10] <savvas>    50K .......... .......... .......... .......... ..........  3%   39.97 KB/s
[23:10] <savvas> it works
[23:11] <bmk789> ya
[23:11] <alex_mayorga> savvas: Done libc6
[23:11] <bmk789> now to restart firefox
[23:11] <savvas> alex_mayorga: ok: sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard ubuntu-desktop
[23:12] <bmk789> hmm firefox still doesnt think it has the plugin
[23:12] <alex_mayorga> savvas: before that nvidia-glr ?
[23:12] <jimmygoon> bmk789, why not just install from within firefox.. it worked fine for me
[23:12] <savvas> bmk789: go to: about:plugins
[23:13] <savvas> alex_mayorga: yes
[23:13] <savvas> alex_mayorga: well you can do this: sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard ubuntu-desktop nvidia-glx
[23:13] <bmk789> savvas: all it lists is GCJ
[23:13] <bmk789> jimmygoon: doesnt work on 64 bit
[23:14] <savvas> bmk789: give me a sec to find my bug report
[23:14] <bmk789> ok
[23:14] <savvas> bmk789: upgraded from gutsy or clean install?
[23:15] <bmk789> upgraded
[23:15] <alex_mayorga> savvas: unable to find ubuntu-desktop ??
[23:15] <jimmygoon> bmk789, my mistake
[23:16] <savvas> alex_mayorga: hm? impossible
[23:16] <savvas> alex_mayorga: check for typos, or type it again
[23:17] <jimmygoon> cat /etc/apt/sources.list?
[23:17] <savvas> bmk789: close firefox, then: sudo aptitude purge flashplugin-nonfree nspluginwrapper && sudo rm -f /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[23:17] <bmk789> i think i just need to do a symlink
[23:17] <savvas> bmk789: it won't work for future versions then, better fix it
[23:17] <bmk789> the flash .so file is in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins but not /usr/firefox-3.0b4/plugins
[23:18] <bmk789> ok
[23:18] <jimmygoon> WHAT there is a /usr/firefox... crap too? There's already FIVE firefox3 related directories in my /usr/lib
[23:18] <savvas> oh you've got a million of those :p
[23:19] <bmk789> ya
[23:19] <savvas> bmk789: done?
[23:19] <bmk789> ya
[23:19] <bardyr> hey, how can i get java to work in hardy?, it keeps wanting to install a java plugin but all are installed
[23:20] <jimmygoon> bardyr, install the icedtea-java7-jre instead of the old java6 packages
[23:20] <jimmygoon> bardyr, I had the same problem yesterday
[23:21] <bardyr> okay, thanks :)
[23:21] <jimmygoon> bardyr, you will need icedtea-java7-plugin icedtea-java7-bin etc also, but those should come automatically as well
[23:22] <savvas> bmk789: ok the next command is super dangerous, paste it EXACTLY as i give it
[23:22] <bmk789> ok
[23:22] <DanaG> don't blindly follow commands, though; it's good to ask what things do.
[23:23] <bmk789> i know
[23:23] <savvas> bmk789: sudo rm -rf /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/*flash* /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin ~/.macromedia/ ~/.mozilla/plugins/*flash*
[23:23] <savvas> don't you dare put a space before the * asterisk :)
[23:24] <TimothyP> Hello, where do I submit feature requests? Currently the Avahi SSH browser does not allow you to specify a username while connecting to a server and I would like the ability to simply list all domains
[23:24] <savvas> TimothyP: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[23:25] <TimothyP> thank you
[23:25] <savvas> bmk789: done?
[23:25] <bmk789> savvas: got it
[23:25] <savvas> ok
[23:25] <bmk789> most of those didnt exist
[23:26] <savvas> bmk789: sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[23:26] <savvas> that's good
[23:27] <jimmygoon> what does LVDS mean/do anyway?
[23:27] <DanaG> low voltage differential signaling -- it's what internal LCDs connect through.
[23:27] <jimmygoon> funny, its part of a fix for some X bugs / gnome-settings-daemon problems heh
[23:27] <savvas> in other words, geek stuff :p
[23:27] <bmk789> savvas: done
[23:28] <savvas> bmk789: it installed nspluginwrapper as well right? run foxy, i hope it works now
[23:29] <bmk789> ok ill try it now
[23:30] <bmk789> still asks to install the plugin
[23:30] <alex_mayorga> savvas: instead of sudo aptitude can i use apt-get?
[23:30] <savvas> yes alex_mayorga
[23:30] <savvas> urm
[23:31] <savvas> bmk789: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/195422
[23:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195422 in flashplugin-nonfree "hardy heron 8.04 alpha 5 - flash not installed correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:31] <savvas> put a confirm there, i hope they find out what's wrong
[23:31] <savvas> and add a symlink :P
[23:32] <savvas> I don't know why it worked here when I removed all that stuff though
[23:32] <bmk789> savvas: fixed it :D
[23:32] <savvas> with a symlink?
[23:33] <bmk789> savvas: all i had to do was "sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b4/plugins/flashplugin.so"
[23:33] <alex_mayorga> savvas: those worked, now?
[23:33] <savvas> curse their bugs!
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> I guess is the same breakage than the java plugin
[23:35] <savvas> alex_mayorga: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[23:35] <alex_mayorga> savvas: done
[23:35] <jimmygoon> savvas, maybe the fact that the old sun java 6 plugin fails to be correctly installed could be inclued....
[23:35] <savvas> alex_mayorga: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[23:35] <jimmygoon> savvas, icedtea-java7 works though
[23:36] <alex_mayorga> savvas: command not found
[23:36] <bmk789> savvas: commented on the bug
[23:37] <savvas> bmk789: oops, i added a comment too ;p
[23:37] <savvas> ok fixed that :P
[23:38] <savvas> jimmygoon: java for 64-bit? doesn't work here :\
[23:38] <jimmygoon> savvas, dunna about 64bit but i know thats true for the 32 bit
[23:39] <savvas> alex_mayorga: hm.. hold a sec
[23:41] <savvas> alex_mayorga: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx
[23:42] <savvas> there should be a nvidia-xconfig installed
[23:43] <savvas> jimmygoon: sun java doesn't have a 64bit plugin for firefox, from what i know
[23:43] <savvas> they didn't make one for quite a long time :P
[23:43] <jimmygoon> savvas, that sucks. do they have one for ie?
[23:43] <savvas> internet explorer has 32-bit run mode
[23:43] <jimmygoon> well, thats what a lot of 64bit people do .. don't they
[23:44] <savvas> I guess I should just probably revert to a 32-bit firefox and :P
[23:44] <savvas> *and problem solved
[23:44] <thompa> i cant get my atheros wireless to work in latest kernel, somehow since the inclusion of acer_acpi its broke for good
[23:44] <thompa> 2.6.24-11 works with atheros enabled though
[23:45] <thompa> ive also tried to compile madwifi from scratch, that wont work either
[23:46] <jimmygoon> did you get the restricted modules for the new kernel? in edgy/feisty I would have to manually install it after kernel upgrades some times
[23:46] <alex_mayorga> savvas: I get lost at some point, you want me to install nvidia-glx? because that seem to remove legacy
[23:46] <niocholas_jones>  I'm using XChat and I can't join channels unless I specify # , and I don't know how to switch through channels with my keyboard.  How do I switch channels' without my mouse, and how do I join a channel without specifying the # symbol (so I can simply do /j xchat, instead of /j #xchat)
[23:47] <savvas> alex_mayorga: why do you have legacy installed?
[23:47] <thompa> jimmygoon: thanks , yes i did that too, i think i will just file a bug, but it must effect all these acer notebooks
[23:47] <jimmygoon> thompa, good luck :)
[23:47] <alex_mayorga> savvas, because my card is old :) I believe
[23:47] <niocholas_jones> anyone?
[23:47] <savvas> The 1.0-96xx driver supports the following set of GPUs: GeForce4 440 Go 0x0174
[23:47] <ethana2> my dad opened a document from firefox, and it was read only
[23:47] <ethana2> FINALLY  ^_^
[23:48] <alex_mayorga> savvas: anyway I installed nvidia-glx and now nvidia-xconfig worked
[23:48] <ethana2> props to whoever implemented read only /tmp
[23:48] <savvas> alex_mayorga: go for it, remove the legacy one
[23:48] <savvas> yay :P
[23:48] <DanaG> How do I set the default input method?
[23:49] <alex_mayorga> savvas: nvidia-xconfig worked now
[23:49] <savvas> alex_mayorga: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[23:49] <TimothyP> hmmmm
[23:49] <TimothyP> they removed the avahi ssh brower in the latest updates????
[23:49] <danage> my wifi doesn't work anymore since the -12 distro upgrade. anybody have ideas?
[23:50] <danage> i have a wpa network. it gets associated, but i don't get an ip. i suspect wpa-supplicant and the new wireless settings editor
[23:52] <jimmygoon> Interesting... compiz just decides to reactivate itself after each reboot
[23:53] <alex_mayorga> savvas: done
[23:54] <savvas> alex_mayorga: give it a reboot now
[23:55] <savvas> sudo reboot
[23:55] <savvas> :)
[23:58] <TimothyP> does anybody know why they removed the avahi ssh browser ?
[23:58] <jimmygoon> aww, I hadn't noticed that one
[23:59] <TimothyP> anyway if they intend to bring it back, here's my two cents :-) http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4876/
[23:59] <ethana2> TimothyP: I never used it..  is it still in repos?