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abhay_there?09:54
visualdeceptionZelut: using web based IRC client right now13:23
visualdeceptionmay be an option to link to from the page....although you would need to identify what server to connect to13:23
Zelutvisualdeception: ok14:44
visualdeceptionnot sure if it is what you would like to use....maybe an option14:53
Zelutvisualdeception: just want to have *some* option to suggest.14:55
Zelutbrb14:55
zelut_visualdeception: wow, mibbit isn't bad at all.15:33
visualdeceptionthe tabs at the top were pretty slick i thought and it lets you actually log in as yourself15:34
zelut_visualdeception: good find!15:34
visualdeceptionthanks15:34
Zelutvisualdeception: lets look into embedding freenode/#ubuntu-classroom to cut down the learning curve.15:35
visualdeceptionok looking at the code to embed....lets see what we can break15:36
Zelutvisualdeception: I'm not seeing examples of embedding the server..15:41
visualdeceptionno neither am i...may see if i can contact the owner to see if this is possible15:42
Zelutvisualdeception: Currently, the widget is only able to access IRC channels on the Mibbit.com server. The developers tell me they are working with other providers (like freenode.net) to support channels on their servers too.15:42
visualdeceptionahh15:42
zelut_I guess we can either document using this & specifying server, or see if another option will work.15:43
visualdeceptionyea15:44
Zelutvisualdeception: if a user searches for the channel it's the top result. that might be simpler15:45
visualdeceptionyea, might be a viable option15:45
mib_wcskjdjetest15:45
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visualdeceptionwould a cgi based irc client be a viable option...would need to host it somewhere15:49
visualdeceptiongonna see if i can run a test one quickly on my server15:52
highvoltageZelut: what's the topic for the class in 2 hours? (just saw your tweet)15:53
Zeluthighvoltage: planning meeting for upcoming presentations.15:55
Zeluthighvoltage: perhaps my twitter should be more specific. nothing exciting, just a 'lets plan some presentations' meeting.15:55
highvoltageUbuntu presentations? cool, I didn't even know there were meetings like that. I often have to do ubuntu presentations. will be nice to be involved with that.15:56
Zeluthighvoltage: yeah, this channel is for teaching about ubuntu.  we're working on scheduling regular events, teaching users how to contribute.15:57
Zeluthighvoltage: if you'd like to help with the planning hang out.  if you just want to present keep in touch.15:57
highvoltageok, will do.15:58
Zelutwe will definitely need presenters.16:04
highvoltageah, *doh*. I only get it now, presentations, as in lessons, not as in Impress slides you show at work/clients and at LUG meetings :)16:05
Zelutit could be done similarly I'm sure.. perhaps IRC + S5.16:06
test1test116:07
visualdeceptionnope dont like that one16:07
visualdeceptionZelut: can't find anything better/slicker than mibbit16:13
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Zelutvisualdeception: perhaps we'll just need to document some basic steps16:14
visualdeceptionthe search function definetly makes it nice though16:15
visualdeceptionZelut: where do you want the weechat tutorial done? is there a wiki for it already?16:21
Zelutvisualdeception: I don't think so.. let me double-check16:23
Zelutvisualdeception: add an IRC section here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WeeChat16:24
visualdeceptionjust add how to join a channel and server? change nick?16:27
visualdeceptionwoops check that, this is already in there16:29
Zelutohhh16:33
visualdeceptionits under text based...do we have direct links to these howto's on the classroom wiki?16:34
visualdeceptionalthough a list of channels would be nice here16:35
Zelutvisualdeception: some of them - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/IRCHOWTO16:35
pleia2FWIW, I already know the owner of mibbit and have been working with him for embedding options for another IRC network16:35
pleia2so they are developing such a thing16:36
visualdeceptionthats pretty awesome16:36
* pleia2 nods16:36
visualdeceptionsince weechat doesnt have a wiki page should one be created?16:37
visualdeceptionor just link to the community doc16:38
pleia2link to community doc16:39
Zelutvisualdeception: if you can just updated the IRCHOWTO page to link there, that'll be great.16:42
visualdeceptionsaving the changes right now16:43
visualdeceptionok its taken care of16:44
HeartsbaneFYI: I might be 5 minutes late, sorry guys17:40
pleia2if we're doing it in gobby, it'll be a no-go for me again I'm afraid17:40
ZelutI don' think we'll need gobby this week17:42
pleia2oh good :)17:43
Zelutpopey: ping - going to make it this week?17:45
Zelutpleia2: have any time to check out hiveminder?17:45
pleia2nope :\17:45
ZelutI think its been working pretty well so far.17:46
herloZelut: you should just assign her tasks, that way she can get started17:46
visualdeceptionlol17:47
ZelutI created a bunch of 'up for grabs' tasks, which a few people have tackled.17:47
ZelutI think its helped get things done this week.17:47
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pleia2yeah, I've been seeing the email alerts come in17:48
pleia2herlo: heh, I really am just not sure I have time to learn another application right now17:48
pleia2but I'll try17:48
visualdeceptionlol, yea seems that i'm the source of most of those17:48
Zelutpleia2: the one complaint is that there have been a lot of HM emails17:48
pleia2Zelut: yeah, I'm not sure how to avoid that though17:49
herlopleia2: Zelut:  simply just make a rule to mark them read and put them in a TODO folder17:49
Zelutpleia2: I do wish similar functionality could be done via launchpad.. but until then.17:49
herloworks well if you use your gmail account for email17:49
Zelutlooks like its about time to start17:59
Zelutwho do we have attending this time?18:00
* highvoltage 18:00
visualdeceptionjust wondering would creating like a classroom-meeting room help??18:00
Zelutlet's give it a try in here, keep it public.18:01
ZelutTo get started, the agenda for this weeks meeting is here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/MeetingAgenda2008Mar1618:02
ZelutI'll just dive into the items..18:02
* herlo is here18:02
Zelut1)  What have we heard back from Aaron Toponce at USTeams?18:02
Zelutwe've heard nada18:02
ZelutSo, we're going to scrap that for now.  I have followed up with him, but no progress so far.18:03
ZelutWe'll keep it on the table, but I think longer term.18:03
Zelutany comments on that item?18:03
* Zelut wonders if everyone is awake :)18:04
* etank kinda18:04
visualdeceptionsounds good to me18:04
ZelutLet's try item 218:04
Zelut2)  Can we define a solid date for Openweek?18:04
ZelutI have emailed Jono about it.  Waiting for a reply.18:05
ZelutI think it would be nice to produce OpenWeek this time around, we'll just need to collaborate with him.18:05
* pleia2 nods18:05
visualdeceptionagreed18:05
ZelutSo that item should be added to next weeks Agenda, and we'll wait for a reply.18:05
Zelut3)  Migrate new-improved wiki to overwrite old.18:06
ZelutThis task has been done.  Big ups to Heartsbane for attention there.18:06
pleia2yay Heartsbane :)18:06
Zeluthttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom looks much nicer and organized.18:06
ZelutHeartsbane ftw!18:07
Zelut4) #18:07
ZelutShould we create an announcement banner on the wiki?18:07
ZelutThis item was listed on hiveminder and Heartsbane took teh assignment.18:08
ZelutHe did mention he might be late today so perhaps we'll come back to that.18:08
Zelut5)  Creation of marketing blog widgets for upcoming events?18:08
Zelutvisualdeception: can you link to the draft widget you made?18:09
visualdeceptionyep18:09
ZelutI'd like to have some discussion on what we would like here.18:09
ZelutI think these'll be great for marketing on blogs, etc.18:09
HeartsbaneI am here18:09
visualdeceptionhttp://linux.dudenhofer.net/ubuntuclassroom.png18:10
ZelutHeartsbane: cool. lets talk widgets and come back to the banner.18:10
visualdeceptiona logo would be nice...not sure about the slogan18:10
ZelutWhat does everyone think about a logo / slogan to put on these blog widgets?18:11
ZelutI figured they could be like these - http://crunchbang.net/advocacy/,18:11
Zelutthoughts?18:11
visualdeceptionlike a bulb? maybe in the ubuntu logo?18:12
pleia2visualdeception's looks nice, we can think of a slogan18:12
HeartsbaneMaybe something less busy... not a bulb but a 'open' boot18:12
Heartsbanejust a thought18:13
Zelutsomething like - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=info.png18:13
Zelutor https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=example.png18:13
ZelutHeartsbane: an open boot?18:14
pleia2I like the chalkboard18:14
ZelutHeartsbane: open book?18:14
HeartsbaneZelut: s/boot/book/18:14
Heartsbanesorry18:14
HeartsbaneI like the second suggestion18:14
Heartsbanethe chalkboard18:14
Zelutmaybe we can find something from the tango artwork.. they seem to have tons of custom icons.18:15
Zeluthow about a slogan?18:15
Zelutwhat would we like the widgets to say?18:15
* Heartsbane is thinking.18:16
pleia2I don't have any ideas off the top of my head, I'll think about it though18:17
Zelut"Ask not what Ubuntu can do for you, but what you can do for Ubuntu" ;)18:17
visualdeceptionlol18:18
HeartsbaneLearning is not compulsory... neither is survival. -- W. Edwards Deming (1900 - 1993)18:18
ZelutHeartsbane: maybe a random polling of education/learning quotes18:19
visualdeceptionif anyone thinks of one could just add it to the to do list18:19
Heartsbaneya that quote is more like something for a scared straight ad18:19
herloUbuntu-Classroom, not just for newbs18:19
herloor noobs18:19
pleia2heh18:20
visualdeceptiondo we want the slogan in the ubuntu font??18:20
Zelutmaybe we should start compilig a list18:20
Zelutvisualdeception: I don't think the slogan needs to be in the font, just readable..18:20
visualdeceptionok18:21
herloUbuntu-classroom, we provide you bananas for every class you attend :)18:21
Heartsbaneno18:21
herlo:) lol18:22
herloUbuntu-classroom, the juggernaut to understanding18:22
ZelutI'll create a hiveminder item where we can list slogans in comments. how 'bout that?18:23
pleia2sounds good18:23
Heartsbanek I think that this is something we can..... exactly... either that or mailing list18:23
Heartsbanenext item18:23
ZelutHeartsbane: how about back to the banner.18:24
Heartsbanek18:24
ZelutHeartsbane: I see you've taken that assignment. anything to report?18:24
HeartsbaneI was going to only use the banner to report upcoming events, short and simple18:25
Heartsbanebut18:25
Heartsbanesomeone suggested we could use it for more18:25
HeartsbaneI just wanted someone else thoughts18:25
pleia2well, I think we do want to keep it relatively simple18:25
Zelutwhat is 'more'?18:25
Heartsbanewell someone, who is not in the group suggested that we should use it to remind people18:27
Heartsbanethat you should ask support related questions in #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #edubuntu, or #xubuntu.18:27
ZelutI think those reminders are handled well enough within IRC.  I don't think we need it on the wiki18:27
Heartsbaneand several other things but .... okay .... that is my thought something simple good18:28
Heartsbanejust throw that out there18:28
Heartsbanek I will make a banner sometime tonight18:28
ZelutI imagine something simple just to show the upcoming schedule.18:28
Heartsbaneunless anyone else has anything else to say18:29
visualdeceptionsimple is usually better on a webpage imo18:29
Heartsbanek, next?18:29
Zelutok18:29
Zelut Try to get some more solid assignments for others on the list18:29
Zelutone attempt to achieve this was to create the tasks in hiveminder that people can volunteer for.18:30
Zelutfor some of the main contributors we can assign tasks, but those that have been lurking can easily take a job.18:30
Zelutthe only problem is I don't think we can share that list to the general public18:30
visualdeceptionadd one to the wiki? but them someone has to be constantly updating that18:31
HeartsbaneI don't see the trouble if they want to help, shouldn't they formally join the group?18:31
Zelutvisualdeception: yeah, then there is duplication and more effort to keep thim synched.18:31
ZelutHeartsbane: should we just have a standard 'if you're in LP you have access to the tasks'?18:32
ZelutHeartsbane: that way if they are formally part of the group they can take any job they want?18:32
Zelut..and the tasks are all planning related, which is what LP has been limited to so far.18:32
HeartsbaneZelut: that is my personal thought, anyone else want to weigh in a opinion18:32
Zelutpleia2: thoughts?18:33
pleia2well, it would be nice if the tasks could be made public, then people could see what there is before they decide to join the project18:33
Zelutpleia2: I know you have concern about needing to learn additional applications..18:33
pleia2but if there isn't a way to do it..18:33
pleia2yeah, using hiveminder does increase the barrier to entry18:33
Zelutpleia2: if we could submit 'bugs' against a team we could do it on LP.. but I don't think we can.18:33
pleia2which is unfortunate18:33
visualdeceptionis there a way we could sync hiveminder....or vice versa18:34
Zelutthis kind of leads to the next item which we can combine here..18:34
pleia2I'm wondering about visualdeception's idea - maybe just put major tasks up on a wiki page? or just describe the *types* of stuff we need done rather than specifics?18:34
HeartsbaneZelut: why is it, prohibitted to submit a bug against a Team in LP?18:34
Zelutshould we keep using hiveminder?  those that have been using it, what are your thoughts?18:34
ZelutHeartsbane: there just isn't the functionality.. no 'submit bug' button for teams/people.18:35
visualdeceptioni think its nice, but might be leaving people out that might be willing to help if they knew what needed to be done18:35
visualdeceptionhiveminder does have an rss feed18:35
Heartsbanethank god or I would have a whole lot of bugs18:35
visualdeceptionwoops atom18:35
pleia2oh, an atom feed might be useful18:36
Zelutvisualdeception: that could to the trick18:36
herlovisualdeception: I think it does rss too18:36
Zelutit does plain text, ical or atom output18:36
Zelutthat could help with publishing the tasks without manual reproduction18:36
Heartsbanevisualdeception: nice18:36
herlooh18:36
Zelutso should we have people subscribe to the atom feed? output the plain text to a wiki import?18:37
ZelutRSS is zero work on our part, a little on the user.18:37
visualdeceptionprobably, is there a way we could automate this18:37
pleia2output plain text to a wiki import?18:37
pleia2if that could be automated that would be nice18:38
Zelutpleia2: output the plain text listing of tasks and manually import it to the wiki, but that still leaves that overhead for us.18:38
* pleia2 nods18:38
Zelutthe problem I think with the RSS is that it outputs once per 24hrs18:38
visualdeceptionwhat about that program nixternal wrote about...hold let me check something18:38
Zelut..so someone might subscribe wondering the tasks, and not see them until the next day.18:38
Zelutvisualdeception: editmoin? we'd still have to maintain it.18:39
pleia2well, it would at least give some idea to folks about the project - then they can join up and take tasks once they join18:39
Zelutwhat about the ical?18:39
visualdeceptionhttp://blog.nixternal.com/2008.03.08/ubuntu-wiki-editing-made-easy/18:39
Zelutvisualdeception: yeah, that's just CLI based wiki editing..18:39
Zelutvisualdeception: it won't import anything, so its the same amount of work.18:40
Heartsbanevisualdeception: ya ya ya editmoin already doing it18:40
visualdeceptionlol18:40
Heartsbane:)18:40
visualdeceptionwasnt sure if you could import18:40
Heartsbanenope18:40
visualdeceptionthat sucks18:40
Zelutwait, one sec..18:40
* Heartsbane waits.18:41
Zelutdoes this require authentication?18:41
Zeluthttp://hiveminder.com/let/christer.edwards%40gmail.com/feed/format/text/tokens/owner%20nobody%20not%20complete%20but_first%20nothing%20group%203584/28cf2cfc54ea8a3318:41
Zelutyeck, tinyurl ftw18:42
Zelutwhat I'm trying to find is whether we can just link to the plain text output18:42
Zelutthat way, if they are interested, they open the plain text link and see what's on the agenda18:42
Zelutif they want to work with us in hiveminder they join LP and we add them too the group18:42
pleia2yeah that works without login18:44
Zelutso maybe we tinyurl a direct link to the plain text? that's simple enough on both ends right?18:44
pleia2+118:45
Zelutwe don't have to maintain anything seperate and they just read a text file..18:45
visualdeceptiondoes the text link auto update when a task is added or closed?18:45
Zelutit should18:45
Zelutit looks like its auto-generated based on the URL18:46
visualdeceptioncool18:46
HeartsbaneI think that is worht a shot18:46
Zelutok then.18:46
Zelutso we'll use that to show what we are working on, and if they want to join they can join LP and they'll be given access to hiveminder too.18:47
Zelutdeal?18:47
visualdeceptionsounds good to me18:47
Heartsbane+118:47
Zelutdone18:47
Zelutnext item.18:47
Zelut#18:47
ZelutContinue using gobby? irc? what to do about lurkers in classroom?18:47
ZelutI think, now that we're done with the main wiki work, we may not need gobby?18:48
visualdeception+118:48
HeartsbaneI like gobby for collaborative thinking, when you all need to be working together18:48
pleia2+118:48
pleia2Heartsbane: but that might be only sometimes? rather than full meetings?18:49
Heartsbanebut that i just me I can go with the group18:49
Heartsbanetrue18:49
Zelutit has its place, true.18:49
HeartsbaneI abstain, with a 0 ... :)18:49
ZelutI think, moving forward, unless there is a real need for it we won't hold the meetings in gobby?18:49
HeartsbaneI will go with the group18:49
Zelutbut when there is a document (perhaps submitted presentations) to be looked over we can plan to use it.18:50
Zelutalso, do we want to keep meeting in here with all these lurkers? :)18:51
pleia2yes, most of the lurkers are here beause they are interested in the project :)18:51
ZelutI'm guessing a portion of these people are lurking since the last openweek :)18:51
HeartsbaneYes18:51
HeartsbaneOpen discussions might spark more involvement, and presentations18:52
* pleia2 nods18:52
Zelutso we'll keep it in here and be transparent and all that :)18:52
Zelut+118:52
Heartsbaneunless anyone objects18:53
Heartsbane+1 for me18:53
pleia2+118:53
visualdeception+!18:53
visualdeception118:53
Heartsbanehahaha18:53
Zelutok, next item.18:53
Zelut#18:53
ZelutDiscussion of invitation from Belinda Lopez at Ubuntu-Training to collaborate on future events.18:53
HeartsbaneDoes anyone know belinda?18:53
ZelutHeartsbane: I do18:53
pleia2yep18:53
HeartsbaneI don't ... I would really like to see them present18:54
ZelutI guess I don't quite understand the item..18:54
Zelutwe want to have ubuntu-training present?18:54
HeartsbaneI didn't quite understand her email18:54
HeartsbaneWhat exactly is she offering?18:54
Zelutnobody sure?18:55
HeartsbaneAnyone? Belinda are you out there?18:55
visualdeceptionlooking for her email18:55
pleia2her nick is dinda - she's not here18:55
pleia2I can ask her for clarification though, I talk to her often enough18:55
Zelutshe's rarely on IRC that I've seen18:55
Zelutor maybe I'm just in all the wrong channels18:56
HeartsbaneI take it you both have had contact with her? can someone ask her how ubuntu-training would like to contribute?18:56
Zelutpleia2: can you follow up with her then?18:57
pleia2Zelut: will do18:57
Zelutok18:57
Zelutlast item and we need to wrap up18:57
ZelutSince we don't have a solid team locked-in perhaps a public 'call for papers' and have a big community-powered presentation?18:57
ZelutI was thinking we could treat it like a conference and give people a chance to submit presentations.18:57
Zelutthe project does aim to help people get involved, how better than letting users teach other users how to get involved.18:58
HeartsbaneI know something done in Django on google code18:58
visualdeceptionsounds good....for the march class or later on?18:58
Heartsbane*cough* maybe we could adapt it *cough*18:59
ZelutHeartsbane: how so?18:59
ZelutI think march is out, but april should still work.19:00
Heartsbanewe could just redo conman if you want to do call for papers web based app19:00
Heartsbanebut I don't really see the need quite yet19:00
ZelutHeartsbane: I hadn't thought of conman, but I figured people could just email in their proposals.19:00
Zelutif presenters submit to us we don't have to go looking for them (outside of marketing)19:01
Heartsbaneoh just sounded to me like you were looking for something bigger19:01
Zelutsame style, but just let people submit presentations to us and market a 'call for papers' type of thing in the marketing.19:01
Heartsbanek19:02
Zelutnot conference-big, but a similar idea with the call for papers..19:02
HeartsbaneCan I ask that we put the redo of the Classroom Guidelines on next weeks agenda19:02
Heartsbaneit needs a serious overhaul19:02
ZelutHeartsbane: sure19:02
Zelutalso, remember any of you can add/manage tasks in hiveminder19:03
Zelutif you think of anything that needs done assign it or put it in the 'up for grabs'19:03
Heartsbanek19:03
ZelutI need to wrap up and get ready for my flight.19:04
Zelutanything left unresolved?19:04
HeartsbaneAny other suggestions for next week? or unresolved?19:04
ZelutI think that's about it then.19:05
Heartsbaneanyone still at the keyboard?19:05
Heartsbaneanyone?19:05
visualdeceptionyes19:05
* Zelut pounds the gavel. adjourned!19:05
pleia2:)19:05
HeartsbaneK I will have this all typed up by tonight as per usual19:07
pleia2thanks, Heartsbane19:08
HeartsbaneI got another project meeting in 2 hours and I have even read those materials19:09
Heartsbane:(19:09
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