[09:54] <abhay_> there?
[13:23] <visualdeception> Zelut: using web based IRC client right now
[13:23] <visualdeception> may be an option to link to from the page....although you would need to identify what server to connect to
[14:44] <Zelut> visualdeception: ok
[14:53] <visualdeception> not sure if it is what you would like to use....maybe an option
[14:55] <Zelut> visualdeception: just want to have *some* option to suggest.
[14:55] <Zelut> brb
[15:33] <zelut_> visualdeception: wow, mibbit isn't bad at all.
[15:34] <visualdeception> the tabs at the top were pretty slick i thought and it lets you actually log in as yourself
[15:34] <zelut_> visualdeception: good find!
[15:34] <visualdeception> thanks
[15:35] <Zelut> visualdeception: lets look into embedding freenode/#ubuntu-classroom to cut down the learning curve.
[15:36] <visualdeception> ok looking at the code to embed....lets see what we can break
[15:41] <Zelut> visualdeception: I'm not seeing examples of embedding the server..
[15:42] <visualdeception> no neither am i...may see if i can contact the owner to see if this is possible
[15:42] <Zelut> visualdeception: Currently, the widget is only able to access IRC channels on the Mibbit.com server. The developers tell me they are working with other providers (like freenode.net) to support channels on their servers too.
[15:42] <visualdeception> ahh
[15:43] <zelut_> I guess we can either document using this & specifying server, or see if another option will work.
[15:44] <visualdeception> yea
[15:45] <Zelut> visualdeception: if a user searches for the channel it's the top result. that might be simpler
[15:45] <visualdeception> yea, might be a viable option
[15:45] <mib_wcskjdje> test
[15:49] <visualdeception> would a cgi based irc client be a viable option...would need to host it somewhere
[15:52] <visualdeception> gonna see if i can run a test one quickly on my server
[15:53] <highvoltage> Zelut: what's the topic for the class in 2 hours? (just saw your tweet)
[15:55] <Zelut> highvoltage: planning meeting for upcoming presentations.
[15:55] <Zelut> highvoltage: perhaps my twitter should be more specific. nothing exciting, just a 'lets plan some presentations' meeting.
[15:56] <highvoltage> Ubuntu presentations? cool, I didn't even know there were meetings like that. I often have to do ubuntu presentations. will be nice to be involved with that.
[15:57] <Zelut> highvoltage: yeah, this channel is for teaching about ubuntu.  we're working on scheduling regular events, teaching users how to contribute.
[15:57] <Zelut> highvoltage: if you'd like to help with the planning hang out.  if you just want to present keep in touch.
[15:58] <highvoltage> ok, will do.
[16:04] <Zelut> we will definitely need presenters.
[16:05] <highvoltage> ah, *doh*. I only get it now, presentations, as in lessons, not as in Impress slides you show at work/clients and at LUG meetings :)
[16:06] <Zelut> it could be done similarly I'm sure.. perhaps IRC + S5.
[16:07] <test1> test1
[16:07] <visualdeception> nope dont like that one
[16:13] <visualdeception> Zelut: can't find anything better/slicker than mibbit
[16:14] <Zelut> visualdeception: perhaps we'll just need to document some basic steps
[16:15] <visualdeception> the search function definetly makes it nice though
[16:21] <visualdeception> Zelut: where do you want the weechat tutorial done? is there a wiki for it already?
[16:23] <Zelut> visualdeception: I don't think so.. let me double-check
[16:24] <Zelut> visualdeception: add an IRC section here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WeeChat
[16:27] <visualdeception> just add how to join a channel and server? change nick?
[16:29] <visualdeception> woops check that, this is already in there
[16:33] <Zelut> ohhh
[16:34] <visualdeception> its under text based...do we have direct links to these howto's on the classroom wiki?
[16:35] <visualdeception> although a list of channels would be nice here
[16:35] <Zelut> visualdeception: some of them - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/IRCHOWTO
[16:35] <pleia2> FWIW, I already know the owner of mibbit and have been working with him for embedding options for another IRC network
[16:36] <pleia2> so they are developing such a thing
[16:36] <visualdeception> thats pretty awesome
[16:36]  * pleia2 nods
[16:37] <visualdeception> since weechat doesnt have a wiki page should one be created?
[16:38] <visualdeception> or just link to the community doc
[16:39] <pleia2> link to community doc
[16:42] <Zelut> visualdeception: if you can just updated the IRCHOWTO page to link there, that'll be great.
[16:43] <visualdeception> saving the changes right now
[16:44] <visualdeception> ok its taken care of
[17:40] <Heartsbane> FYI: I might be 5 minutes late, sorry guys
[17:40] <pleia2> if we're doing it in gobby, it'll be a no-go for me again I'm afraid
[17:42] <Zelut> I don' think we'll need gobby this week
[17:43] <pleia2> oh good :)
[17:45] <Zelut> popey: ping - going to make it this week?
[17:45] <Zelut> pleia2: have any time to check out hiveminder?
[17:45] <pleia2> nope :\
[17:46] <Zelut> I think its been working pretty well so far.
[17:46] <herlo> Zelut: you should just assign her tasks, that way she can get started
[17:47] <visualdeception> lol
[17:47] <Zelut> I created a bunch of 'up for grabs' tasks, which a few people have tackled.
[17:47] <Zelut> I think its helped get things done this week.
[17:48] <pleia2> yeah, I've been seeing the email alerts come in
[17:48] <pleia2> herlo: heh, I really am just not sure I have time to learn another application right now
[17:48] <pleia2> but I'll try
[17:48] <visualdeception> lol, yea seems that i'm the source of most of those
[17:48] <Zelut> pleia2: the one complaint is that there have been a lot of HM emails
[17:49] <pleia2> Zelut: yeah, I'm not sure how to avoid that though
[17:49] <herlo> pleia2: Zelut:  simply just make a rule to mark them read and put them in a TODO folder
[17:49] <Zelut> pleia2: I do wish similar functionality could be done via launchpad.. but until then.
[17:49] <herlo> works well if you use your gmail account for email
[17:59] <Zelut> looks like its about time to start
[18:00] <Zelut> who do we have attending this time?
[18:00]  * highvoltage  
[18:00] <visualdeception> just wondering would creating like a classroom-meeting room help??
[18:01] <Zelut> let's give it a try in here, keep it public.
[18:02] <Zelut> To get started, the agenda for this weeks meeting is here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/MeetingAgenda2008Mar16
[18:02] <Zelut> I'll just dive into the items..
[18:02]  * herlo is here
[18:02] <Zelut> 1)  What have we heard back from Aaron Toponce at USTeams?
[18:02] <Zelut> we've heard nada
[18:03] <Zelut> So, we're going to scrap that for now.  I have followed up with him, but no progress so far.
[18:03] <Zelut> We'll keep it on the table, but I think longer term.
[18:03] <Zelut> any comments on that item?
[18:04]  * Zelut wonders if everyone is awake :)
[18:04]  * etank kinda
[18:04] <visualdeception> sounds good to me
[18:04] <Zelut> Let's try item 2
[18:04] <Zelut> 2)  Can we define a solid date for Openweek?
[18:05] <Zelut> I have emailed Jono about it.  Waiting for a reply.
[18:05] <Zelut> I think it would be nice to produce OpenWeek this time around, we'll just need to collaborate with him.
[18:05]  * pleia2 nods
[18:05] <visualdeception> agreed
[18:05] <Zelut> So that item should be added to next weeks Agenda, and we'll wait for a reply.
[18:06] <Zelut> 3)  Migrate new-improved wiki to overwrite old.
[18:06] <Zelut> This task has been done.  Big ups to Heartsbane for attention there.
[18:06] <pleia2> yay Heartsbane :)
[18:06] <Zelut> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom looks much nicer and organized.
[18:07] <Zelut> Heartsbane ftw!
[18:07] <Zelut> 4) #
[18:07] <Zelut> Should we create an announcement banner on the wiki?
[18:08] <Zelut> This item was listed on hiveminder and Heartsbane took teh assignment.
[18:08] <Zelut> He did mention he might be late today so perhaps we'll come back to that.
[18:08] <Zelut> 5)  Creation of marketing blog widgets for upcoming events?
[18:09] <Zelut> visualdeception: can you link to the draft widget you made?
[18:09] <visualdeception> yep
[18:09] <Zelut> I'd like to have some discussion on what we would like here.
[18:09] <Zelut> I think these'll be great for marketing on blogs, etc.
[18:09] <Heartsbane> I am here
[18:10] <visualdeception> http://linux.dudenhofer.net/ubuntuclassroom.png
[18:10] <Zelut> Heartsbane: cool. lets talk widgets and come back to the banner.
[18:10] <visualdeception> a logo would be nice...not sure about the slogan
[18:11] <Zelut> What does everyone think about a logo / slogan to put on these blog widgets?
[18:11] <Zelut> I figured they could be like these - http://crunchbang.net/advocacy/,
[18:11] <Zelut> thoughts?
[18:12] <visualdeception> like a bulb? maybe in the ubuntu logo?
[18:12] <pleia2> visualdeception's looks nice, we can think of a slogan
[18:12] <Heartsbane> Maybe something less busy... not a bulb but a 'open' boot
[18:13] <Heartsbane> just a thought
[18:13] <Zelut> something like - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=info.png
[18:13] <Zelut> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=example.png
[18:14] <Zelut> Heartsbane: an open boot?
[18:14] <pleia2> I like the chalkboard
[18:14] <Zelut> Heartsbane: open book?
[18:14] <Heartsbane> Zelut: s/boot/book/
[18:14] <Heartsbane> sorry
[18:14] <Heartsbane> I like the second suggestion
[18:14] <Heartsbane> the chalkboard
[18:15] <Zelut> maybe we can find something from the tango artwork.. they seem to have tons of custom icons.
[18:15] <Zelut> how about a slogan?
[18:15] <Zelut> what would we like the widgets to say?
[18:16]  * Heartsbane is thinking.
[18:17] <pleia2> I don't have any ideas off the top of my head, I'll think about it though
[18:17] <Zelut> "Ask not what Ubuntu can do for you, but what you can do for Ubuntu" ;)
[18:18] <visualdeception> lol
[18:18] <Heartsbane> Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. -- W. Edwards Deming (1900 - 1993)
[18:19] <Zelut> Heartsbane: maybe a random polling of education/learning quotes
[18:19] <visualdeception> if anyone thinks of one could just add it to the to do list
[18:19] <Heartsbane> ya that quote is more like something for a scared straight ad
[18:19] <herlo> Ubuntu-Classroom, not just for newbs
[18:19] <herlo> or noobs
[18:20] <pleia2> heh
[18:20] <visualdeception> do we want the slogan in the ubuntu font??
[18:20] <Zelut> maybe we should start compilig a list
[18:20] <Zelut> visualdeception: I don't think the slogan needs to be in the font, just readable..
[18:21] <visualdeception> ok
[18:21] <herlo> Ubuntu-classroom, we provide you bananas for every class you attend :)
[18:21] <Heartsbane> no
[18:22] <herlo> :) lol
[18:22] <herlo> Ubuntu-classroom, the juggernaut to understanding
[18:23] <Zelut> I'll create a hiveminder item where we can list slogans in comments. how 'bout that?
[18:23] <pleia2> sounds good
[18:23] <Heartsbane> k I think that this is something we can..... exactly... either that or mailing list
[18:23] <Heartsbane> next item
[18:24] <Zelut> Heartsbane: how about back to the banner.
[18:24] <Heartsbane> k
[18:24] <Zelut> Heartsbane: I see you've taken that assignment. anything to report?
[18:25] <Heartsbane> I was going to only use the banner to report upcoming events, short and simple
[18:25] <Heartsbane> but
[18:25] <Heartsbane> someone suggested we could use it for more
[18:25] <Heartsbane> I just wanted someone else thoughts
[18:25] <pleia2> well, I think we do want to keep it relatively simple
[18:25] <Zelut> what is 'more'?
[18:27] <Heartsbane> well someone, who is not in the group suggested that we should use it to remind people
[18:27] <Heartsbane> that you should ask support related questions in #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #edubuntu, or #xubuntu.
[18:27] <Zelut> I think those reminders are handled well enough within IRC.  I don't think we need it on the wiki
[18:28] <Heartsbane> and several other things but .... okay .... that is my thought something simple good
[18:28] <Heartsbane> just throw that out there
[18:28] <Heartsbane> k I will make a banner sometime tonight
[18:28] <Zelut> I imagine something simple just to show the upcoming schedule.
[18:29] <Heartsbane> unless anyone else has anything else to say
[18:29] <visualdeception> simple is usually better on a webpage imo
[18:29] <Heartsbane> k, next?
[18:29] <Zelut> ok
[18:29] <Zelut>  Try to get some more solid assignments for others on the list
[18:30] <Zelut> one attempt to achieve this was to create the tasks in hiveminder that people can volunteer for.
[18:30] <Zelut> for some of the main contributors we can assign tasks, but those that have been lurking can easily take a job.
[18:30] <Zelut> the only problem is I don't think we can share that list to the general public
[18:31] <visualdeception> add one to the wiki? but them someone has to be constantly updating that
[18:31] <Heartsbane> I don't see the trouble if they want to help, shouldn't they formally join the group?
[18:31] <Zelut> visualdeception: yeah, then there is duplication and more effort to keep thim synched.
[18:32] <Zelut> Heartsbane: should we just have a standard 'if you're in LP you have access to the tasks'?
[18:32] <Zelut> Heartsbane: that way if they are formally part of the group they can take any job they want?
[18:32] <Zelut> ..and the tasks are all planning related, which is what LP has been limited to so far.
[18:32] <Heartsbane> Zelut: that is my personal thought, anyone else want to weigh in a opinion
[18:33] <Zelut> pleia2: thoughts?
[18:33] <pleia2> well, it would be nice if the tasks could be made public, then people could see what there is before they decide to join the project
[18:33] <Zelut> pleia2: I know you have concern about needing to learn additional applications..
[18:33] <pleia2> but if there isn't a way to do it..
[18:33] <pleia2> yeah, using hiveminder does increase the barrier to entry
[18:33] <Zelut> pleia2: if we could submit 'bugs' against a team we could do it on LP.. but I don't think we can.
[18:33] <pleia2> which is unfortunate
[18:34] <visualdeception> is there a way we could sync hiveminder....or vice versa
[18:34] <Zelut> this kind of leads to the next item which we can combine here..
[18:34] <pleia2> I'm wondering about visualdeception's idea - maybe just put major tasks up on a wiki page? or just describe the *types* of stuff we need done rather than specifics?
[18:34] <Heartsbane> Zelut: why is it, prohibitted to submit a bug against a Team in LP?
[18:34] <Zelut> should we keep using hiveminder?  those that have been using it, what are your thoughts?
[18:35] <Zelut> Heartsbane: there just isn't the functionality.. no 'submit bug' button for teams/people.
[18:35] <visualdeception> i think its nice, but might be leaving people out that might be willing to help if they knew what needed to be done
[18:35] <visualdeception> hiveminder does have an rss feed
[18:35] <Heartsbane> thank god or I would have a whole lot of bugs
[18:35] <visualdeception> woops atom
[18:36] <pleia2> oh, an atom feed might be useful
[18:36] <Zelut> visualdeception: that could to the trick
[18:36] <herlo> visualdeception: I think it does rss too
[18:36] <Zelut> it does plain text, ical or atom output
[18:36] <Zelut> that could help with publishing the tasks without manual reproduction
[18:36] <Heartsbane> visualdeception: nice
[18:36] <herlo> oh
[18:37] <Zelut> so should we have people subscribe to the atom feed? output the plain text to a wiki import?
[18:37] <Zelut> RSS is zero work on our part, a little on the user.
[18:37] <visualdeception> probably, is there a way we could automate this
[18:37] <pleia2> output plain text to a wiki import?
[18:38] <pleia2> if that could be automated that would be nice
[18:38] <Zelut> pleia2: output the plain text listing of tasks and manually import it to the wiki, but that still leaves that overhead for us.
[18:38]  * pleia2 nods
[18:38] <Zelut> the problem I think with the RSS is that it outputs once per 24hrs
[18:38] <visualdeception> what about that program nixternal wrote about...hold let me check something
[18:38] <Zelut> ..so someone might subscribe wondering the tasks, and not see them until the next day.
[18:39] <Zelut> visualdeception: editmoin? we'd still have to maintain it.
[18:39] <pleia2> well, it would at least give some idea to folks about the project - then they can join up and take tasks once they join
[18:39] <Zelut> what about the ical?
[18:39] <visualdeception> http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.03.08/ubuntu-wiki-editing-made-easy/
[18:39] <Zelut> visualdeception: yeah, that's just CLI based wiki editing..
[18:40] <Zelut> visualdeception: it won't import anything, so its the same amount of work.
[18:40] <Heartsbane> visualdeception: ya ya ya editmoin already doing it
[18:40] <visualdeception> lol
[18:40] <Heartsbane> :)
[18:40] <visualdeception> wasnt sure if you could import
[18:40] <Heartsbane> nope
[18:40] <visualdeception> that sucks
[18:40] <Zelut> wait, one sec..
[18:41]  * Heartsbane waits.
[18:41] <Zelut> does this require authentication?
[18:41] <Zelut> http://hiveminder.com/let/christer.edwards%40gmail.com/feed/format/text/tokens/owner%20nobody%20not%20complete%20but_first%20nothing%20group%203584/28cf2cfc54ea8a33
[18:42] <Zelut> yeck, tinyurl ftw
[18:42] <Zelut> what I'm trying to find is whether we can just link to the plain text output
[18:42] <Zelut> that way, if they are interested, they open the plain text link and see what's on the agenda
[18:42] <Zelut> if they want to work with us in hiveminder they join LP and we add them too the group
[18:44] <pleia2> yeah that works without login
[18:44] <Zelut> so maybe we tinyurl a direct link to the plain text? that's simple enough on both ends right?
[18:45] <pleia2> +1
[18:45] <Zelut> we don't have to maintain anything seperate and they just read a text file..
[18:45] <visualdeception> does the text link auto update when a task is added or closed?
[18:45] <Zelut> it should
[18:46] <Zelut> it looks like its auto-generated based on the URL
[18:46] <visualdeception> cool
[18:46] <Heartsbane> I think that is worht a shot
[18:46] <Zelut> ok then.
[18:47] <Zelut> so we'll use that to show what we are working on, and if they want to join they can join LP and they'll be given access to hiveminder too.
[18:47] <Zelut> deal?
[18:47] <visualdeception> sounds good to me
[18:47] <Heartsbane> +1
[18:47] <Zelut> done
[18:47] <Zelut> next item.
[18:47] <Zelut> #
[18:47] <Zelut> Continue using gobby? irc? what to do about lurkers in classroom?
[18:48] <Zelut> I think, now that we're done with the main wiki work, we may not need gobby?
[18:48] <visualdeception> +1
[18:48] <Heartsbane> I like gobby for collaborative thinking, when you all need to be working together
[18:48] <pleia2> +1
[18:49] <pleia2> Heartsbane: but that might be only sometimes? rather than full meetings?
[18:49] <Heartsbane> but that i just me I can go with the group
[18:49] <Heartsbane> true
[18:49] <Zelut> it has its place, true.
[18:49] <Heartsbane> I abstain, with a 0 ... :)
[18:49] <Zelut> I think, moving forward, unless there is a real need for it we won't hold the meetings in gobby?
[18:49] <Heartsbane> I will go with the group
[18:50] <Zelut> but when there is a document (perhaps submitted presentations) to be looked over we can plan to use it.
[18:51] <Zelut> also, do we want to keep meeting in here with all these lurkers? :)
[18:51] <pleia2> yes, most of the lurkers are here beause they are interested in the project :)
[18:51] <Zelut> I'm guessing a portion of these people are lurking since the last openweek :)
[18:51] <Heartsbane> Yes
[18:52] <Heartsbane> Open discussions might spark more involvement, and presentations
[18:52]  * pleia2 nods
[18:52] <Zelut> so we'll keep it in here and be transparent and all that :)
[18:52] <Zelut> +1
[18:53] <Heartsbane> unless anyone objects
[18:53] <Heartsbane> +1 for me
[18:53] <pleia2> +1
[18:53] <visualdeception> +!
[18:53] <visualdeception> 1
[18:53] <Heartsbane> hahaha
[18:53] <Zelut> ok, next item.
[18:53] <Zelut> #
[18:53] <Zelut> Discussion of invitation from Belinda Lopez at Ubuntu-Training to collaborate on future events.
[18:53] <Heartsbane> Does anyone know belinda?
[18:53] <Zelut> Heartsbane: I do
[18:53] <pleia2> yep
[18:54] <Heartsbane> I don't ... I would really like to see them present
[18:54] <Zelut> I guess I don't quite understand the item..
[18:54] <Zelut> we want to have ubuntu-training present?
[18:54] <Heartsbane> I didn't quite understand her email
[18:54] <Heartsbane> What exactly is she offering?
[18:55] <Zelut> nobody sure?
[18:55] <Heartsbane> Anyone? Belinda are you out there?
[18:55] <visualdeception> looking for her email
[18:55] <pleia2> her nick is dinda - she's not here
[18:55] <pleia2> I can ask her for clarification though, I talk to her often enough
[18:55] <Zelut> she's rarely on IRC that I've seen
[18:56] <Zelut> or maybe I'm just in all the wrong channels
[18:56] <Heartsbane> I take it you both have had contact with her? can someone ask her how ubuntu-training would like to contribute?
[18:57] <Zelut> pleia2: can you follow up with her then?
[18:57] <pleia2> Zelut: will do
[18:57] <Zelut> ok
[18:57] <Zelut> last item and we need to wrap up
[18:57] <Zelut> Since we don't have a solid team locked-in perhaps a public 'call for papers' and have a big community-powered presentation?
[18:57] <Zelut> I was thinking we could treat it like a conference and give people a chance to submit presentations.
[18:58] <Zelut> the project does aim to help people get involved, how better than letting users teach other users how to get involved.
[18:58] <Heartsbane> I know something done in Django on google code
[18:58] <visualdeception> sounds good....for the march class or later on?
[18:59] <Heartsbane> *cough* maybe we could adapt it *cough*
[18:59] <Zelut> Heartsbane: how so?
[19:00] <Zelut> I think march is out, but april should still work.
[19:00] <Heartsbane> we could just redo conman if you want to do call for papers web based app
[19:00] <Heartsbane> but I don't really see the need quite yet
[19:00] <Zelut> Heartsbane: I hadn't thought of conman, but I figured people could just email in their proposals.
[19:01] <Zelut> if presenters submit to us we don't have to go looking for them (outside of marketing)
[19:01] <Heartsbane> oh just sounded to me like you were looking for something bigger
[19:01] <Zelut> same style, but just let people submit presentations to us and market a 'call for papers' type of thing in the marketing.
[19:02] <Heartsbane> k
[19:02] <Zelut> not conference-big, but a similar idea with the call for papers..
[19:02] <Heartsbane> Can I ask that we put the redo of the Classroom Guidelines on next weeks agenda
[19:02] <Heartsbane> it needs a serious overhaul
[19:02] <Zelut> Heartsbane: sure
[19:03] <Zelut> also, remember any of you can add/manage tasks in hiveminder
[19:03] <Zelut> if you think of anything that needs done assign it or put it in the 'up for grabs'
[19:03] <Heartsbane> k
[19:04] <Zelut> I need to wrap up and get ready for my flight.
[19:04] <Zelut> anything left unresolved?
[19:04] <Heartsbane> Any other suggestions for next week? or unresolved?
[19:05] <Zelut> I think that's about it then.
[19:05] <Heartsbane> anyone still at the keyboard?
[19:05] <Heartsbane> anyone?
[19:05] <visualdeception> yes
[19:05]  * Zelut pounds the gavel. adjourned!
[19:05] <pleia2> :)
[19:07] <Heartsbane> K I will have this all typed up by tonight as per usual
[19:08] <pleia2> thanks, Heartsbane
[19:09] <Heartsbane> I got another project meeting in 2 hours and I have even read those materials
[19:09] <Heartsbane> :(