| lxsu | hmmm.. är detta en svensk kanal? | 10:42 |
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| cody-somerville | Hey | 14:21 |
| cody-somerville | I'm having trouble getting the Xubuntu docs to build | 14:21 |
| cody-somerville | Is this a known issue? | 14:22 |
| cody-somerville | "make -C xubuntu" seems to work... | 14:22 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: "make all" works alright. Xubuntu docs are done slightly oddly though. What seems to be the problem? | 14:30 |
| cody-somerville | Well, it turns out I can build it just fine if I type "make -C xubuntu" | 14:31 |
| cody-somerville | It seems that the Makefile in the xubuntu branch needs updating | 14:31 |
| cody-somerville | mdke, Also, I've just regenerated the pot files. So I need to upload them to launchpad right? | 14:31 |
| mdke | no, they will be imported fine if you do an upload | 14:33 |
| cody-somerville | For example, I'd visit https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/xubuntu-docs/+pots/about-xubuntu/+upload and upload the pot for about-xubuntu | 14:33 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: so "make all" didn't work for you? | 14:33 |
| cody-somerville | There is no taget all :) | 14:33 |
| mdke | sure there is | 14:33 |
| mdke | I just did it | 14:33 |
| cody-somerville | I'm running this from the top directory | 14:33 |
| cody-somerville | not in xubuntu/ | 14:33 |
| mdke | all: clean style index | 14:34 |
| mdke | right, you need to do it from xubuntu/ | 14:34 |
| cody-somerville | Okay, so can I update the Makefile in the top directory to do just that? | 14:34 |
| cody-somerville | Or will that break things? | 14:34 |
| mdke | I doubt the Makefile in the top directory is used at all | 14:34 |
| mdke | we can remove it | 14:34 |
| cody-somerville | Okay, sounds good | 14:35 |
| * cody-somerville does some tidy work | 14:36 | |
| cody-somerville | mdke, Do the xubuntu-docs really need to depend on the ubuntu-docs? :) | 14:38 |
| cody-somerville | in the build-depends | 14:38 |
| * cody-somerville will try building without it. | 14:39 | |
| mdke | cody-somerville: no idea I haven't ever touched xubuntu-doc packaging. Can't think of a reason though | 14:40 |
| mdke | is it including a document from /usr/share/ubuntu-docs maybe? | 14:40 |
| * mdke leaves for a bit | 14:40 | |
| cody-somerville | OooOoo... it probably is | 14:41 |
| mdke | serverguide? | 14:42 |
| cody-somerville | the serverguide doesn't seem to be in the bazaar branch | 14:48 |
| cody-somerville | mdke, Shouldn't xml2po be in the make all rule? | 14:50 |
| cody-somerville | or atleast src-tarball? | 14:51 |
| * cody-somerville assumes you want update pot files when you create the src-tarball | 14:53 | |
| * cody-somerville wonders if teamstuff needs to be in the xubuntu branch | 14:59 | |
| cody-somerville | mdke, the dependency is: | 15:15 |
| cody-somerville | /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/common/prepare-firefox-startpage-translations | 15:15 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: no, we don't update pot files when building the source | 16:49 |
| cody-somerville | So how goes launchpad get the pot files again? | 16:50 |
| cody-somerville | *does | 16:50 |
| mdke | it imports them from the source package | 16:50 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: why did you remove build/ ? | 16:53 |
| cody-somerville | mdke, Because it isn't required | 16:53 |
| cody-somerville | mdke, When you tell it to build, it'll re-add it | 16:54 |
| mdke | but having it at least shows people where stuff is building | 16:54 |
| mdke | all the other branches use it... | 16:55 |
| cody-somerville | It is superfluous | 16:55 |
| * mdke shrugs | 16:55 | |
| cody-somerville | I don't have a strong feeling about it | 16:56 |
| cody-somerville | I was just cleaning things up | 16:56 |
| cody-somerville | It should be as close to what I would take to package as possible | 16:56 |
| cody-somerville | IMHO | 16:56 |
| mdke | well, the branches *are* what you package | 16:57 |
| mdke | they build straight out of the branch, that's the whole point | 16:57 |
| mdke | I have no problem with cleaning up, but I'm just surprised you removed it while all the other branches use it | 16:57 |
| cody-somerville | Xubuntu continues to use it | 17:04 |
| cody-somerville | It just doesn't exist in the clean branch | 17:04 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: yes, I understand what you've done | 17:04 |
| mdke | dsas: thanks for the work on the browser homepage - works great | 17:04 |
| cody-somerville | mdke, Would you prefer that I put it back? :) | 17:05 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: I just think that having it there means that people will be aware of where they can find the html if they build it. It's not a big thing though | 17:07 |
| cody-somerville | I'll put it back because the clean rule in debian/rules deletes it for me anyhow | 17:08 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: thanks | 17:10 |
| cody-somerville | Pushed up to revision 3663. | 17:11 |
| cody-somerville | mdke, What do you think of my proposal to ubuntu-doc? | 17:14 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: I'm not sure about it | 18:21 |
| cody-somerville | The fact that I can't properly associate the package with a series is annoying | 18:28 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: does it prevent you from doing anything? | 18:28 |
| mdke | i think that launchpad eventually will support having more than one branch associated with a series | 18:29 |
| cody-somerville | It makes my life easier as a packager :) | 18:29 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: is there anything more than simply the lp: shortcut?# | 18:29 |
| cody-somerville | When I'm in the source package pages, I can quickly jump to the appropriate bazaar branch | 18:30 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: can a source package page not be linked to a branch which isn't associated with a series? | 18:31 |
| cody-somerville | Sadly, no | 18:31 |
| mdke | brb | 18:31 |
| cody-somerville | It has to do with bug reporting and stuff too | 18:31 |
| cody-somerville | launchpad is complicated | 18:31 |
| cody-somerville | but neat | 18:31 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: yes. It is doable I suppose, but I'm a bit sceptical about whether it is likely to cause any further fragmentation between the various branches | 19:22 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: also I'm concerned that a project which doesn't really exist outside of Ubuntu should have so many separate projects and even an umbrella project | 19:23 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: I just wonder whether the correct solution isn't to get Launchpad to support more than one branch per series | 19:23 |
| mdke | or open more series... | 19:23 |
| cody-somerville | You could get rid of the current model, yes. | 19:24 |
| cody-somerville | instead of by release, by derivative | 19:24 |
| mdke | or by both | 19:24 |
| cody-somerville | Why not just have separate products then? | 19:26 |
| mdke | because different projects means different urls, different teams associated, and more maintenance | 19:26 |
| cody-somerville | What maintenance do you have to do now? | 19:27 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: bug lists and release series, I guess | 19:29 |
| cody-somerville | Currently you can only manage the release series for Ubuntu's docs | 19:29 |
| mdke | that's right | 19:30 |
| cody-somerville | Launchpad was not designed to work this way | 19:30 |
| cody-somerville | Xubuntu docs and Ubuntu docs are separate products | 19:30 |
| cody-somerville | So there should be two products | 19:31 |
| cody-somerville | Branch ownership will remain the same, etc. etc. | 19:31 |
| mdke | that's where we differ | 19:31 |
| mdke | I think they aren't separate projects :) | 19:31 |
| cody-somerville | But we'll be able to take advantage of the launchpad infrastructure | 19:31 |
| cody-somerville | I'm not saying they're separate projects, mdke :) | 19:31 |
| cody-somerville | I'm saying they're separate products | 19:32 |
| cody-somerville | And thats why launchpad offers the super-project | 19:32 |
| mdke | that's just linguistics | 19:32 |
| mdke | Launchpad calls them projects though | 19:32 |
| cody-somerville | They have transitioned to that language, yes. | 19:32 |
| cody-somerville | How about I get some sleep before we discuss this further? :) | 19:33 |
| cody-somerville | Because I know what I want to say but I can't seem to get it out right | 19:33 |
| mdke | that's fine, I haven't made my mind up either | 19:34 |
| cody-somerville | mdke, Did you see the Xubuntu meeting announcement on the ml? | 19:34 |
| mdke | I don't think so | 19:34 |
| cody-somerville | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-March/003620.html | 19:35 |
| cody-somerville | It would be really cool if you could come | 19:35 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: I'll see, although i don't know much about xubuntu or its direction | 19:37 |
| mdke | what's the basic problem? | 19:38 |
| cody-somerville | Lack of direction | 19:38 |
| cody-somerville | :) | 19:38 |
| mdke | from your email it sounds like there are more than one competing directions | 19:39 |
| mdke | not too sure about the grammar of that, but you get the idea | 19:40 |
| cody-somerville | I would agree with that statement | 19:40 |
| mdke | about grammar? | 19:41 |
| cody-somerville | We have the "lets provide a lightweight desktop" crew and the "lets provide an xfce4 extremist desktop" crew | 19:41 |
| cody-somerville | no, about the competing directions | 19:41 |
| mdke | i see. is an xfce4 extremist desktop lighter than the first type? | 19:41 |
| mdke | or heavier? | 19:41 |
| cody-somerville | much lighter | 20:01 |
| cody-somerville | And buggier :( | 20:01 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: i understand | 20:12 |
| cody-somerville | I'd like Xubuntu to be useful | 20:13 |
| cody-somerville | So have community input (ie. not just xubuntu-specific people) would be a Good Idea (TM) IMHO | 20:13 |
| mdke | i'll see what I can do | 20:14 |
| cody-somerville | *having | 20:14 |
| mdke | sommer: what's the status of that new material for the serverguide? | 22:22 |
| sommer | working on it... do you mean the bacula section? | 22:24 |
| mdke | sommer: yeah | 22:24 |
| mdke | far away? | 22:24 |
| sommer | ya... haven't started converting the wiki article to docbook yet | 22:24 |
| mdke | ah ok | 22:24 |
| mdke | sommer: did you see my email to the list about the test wiki for wiki->docbook conversion? | 22:25 |
| sommer | ya, haven't had much time to try it out though | 22:25 |
| mdke | that should quicken things up, you just need to run it through tidy afterwards... and last time I looked there were some problems with whitespacing | 22:25 |
| sommer | I usually do the conversion by hand, because it also allows for proof reading :-) | 22:25 |
| mdke | fair enough | 22:26 |
| sommer | the new section should be ready in a couple of hours at most | 22:26 |
| mdke | perfect | 22:26 |
| mdke | I was going to request an ubuntu-docs upload tomorrow | 22:26 |
| sommer | if for whatever reason it's not I'll let you know... definitely by tomorrow morning | 22:26 |
| mdke | no worries, if not possible we can upload the pot template manually to rosetta to start people working on it | 22:27 |
| sommer | there's still a couple of updates... installation section, likewise-open, and jeos section as well | 22:27 |
| mdke | I removed generic/server this evening | 22:27 |
| sommer | ya, noticed the commit message, cool | 22:27 |
| mdke | sommer: by update do you mean new material? | 22:27 |
| sommer | nope mostly corrrections/updates to commands | 22:28 |
| mdke | fine | 22:28 |
| mdke | looking pretty good for string freeze on thursday | 22:29 |
| sommer | the jeos section update may be some significant content though... it was orginally written with vmware in mind, but now jeos supports kvm really well | 22:29 |
| mdke | if only we can sort that dvd stuff out | 22:29 |
| sommer | ya, I was thinking that when I'm done with the server stuff I could take a look at it | 22:29 |
| mdke | isn't jeos a different flavour of Ubuntu to the server edition? | 22:29 |
| mdke | what's the relationship? | 22:29 |
| sommer | yes and no | 22:29 |
| sommer | jeos is a customized server edition flavour geared toward running as a virtualized guest os | 22:30 |
| sommer | basically it's only the drivers and software needed to load into vmware, qemu, kvm, etc | 22:30 |
| sommer | it's pretty cool stuff | 22:30 |
| mdke | and it is used as a server? | 22:30 |
| sommer | it can be no dooubt about it | 22:31 |
| mdke | interesting | 22:31 |
| sommer | doubt even | 22:31 |
| mdke | so it's like a virtual server :) | 22:31 |
| sommer | precisely | 22:31 |
| sommer | the total install is like 300M, or there abouts it's pretty slick | 22:31 |
| mdke | do you think it's better to be included in the serverguide, or as a separate document? is it something people running the server or desktop editions will use? | 22:32 |
| sommer | heh... I've wondered that myself | 22:32 |
| sommer | I think it can be either, but at this point I'd say mostly centered around server | 22:33 |
| mdke | so you can use it from one of those two editions? | 22:34 |
| mdke | or at least install it | 22:34 |
| mdke | the serverguide is pretty enormous right now so I'm just concerned to ensure everything is appropriately placed in there | 22:35 |
| sommer | sure, but the server edition has more virtualization optimizations then desktop, so it will probably run better using server | 22:35 |
| mdke | ok | 22:35 |
| mdke | it takes ages to load the doc in yelp :( | 22:36 |
| mdke | should the jeos section be inside the Virtualisation section? | 22:36 |
| sommer | maybe, but since there are so many subsections it's a little hard to navigate | 22:37 |
| mdke | it's a little hard to tell what it is from the title unless you know already | 22:38 |
| mdke | still, not a bit issue | 22:39 |
| mdke | big* | 22:39 |
| sommer | since it's getting pretty late in the game for hardy, do you want to leave it as is for now, and if there's need we can move it for ibex? | 22:40 |
| mdke | I guess it would be difficult to move it? | 22:41 |
| mdke | yes, let's leave it, we have enough to do | 22:42 |
| sommer | shouldn't be too bad, just changing sect1 > sect2; sect2 > sect3 | 22:43 |
| mdke | argh | 22:43 |
| sommer | ? | 22:44 |
| mdke | i hate that stuff :) | 22:44 |
| sommer | heh | 22:45 |
| sommer | sigh... bacula package is still borded | 23:08 |
| sommer | borked even | 23:08 |
| sommer | mdke: when's the latest I can submit the new bacula section? | 23:08 |
| sommer | aside from the 20th :-) | 23:08 |
| sommer | mdke: at this point I'm thinking bacula section will have to wait for ibex | 23:09 |
| j1mc | mdke: are you around? | 23:53 |
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