| pwnguin | is the image creater still the best way to test on non lpia devices? | 03:37 |
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| nrp | was it ever the best way for that? | 03:41 |
| pwnguin | from my experiences, no | 03:42 |
| pwnguin | so how should i go about this then? | 03:42 |
| pwnguin | the wiki page suggests that image builder is the preferred way | 03:43 |
| nrp | i've just been installing ubuntu server and the ubuntu-mobile package | 03:47 |
| nrp | i couldnt get the image builder to work | 03:50 |
| pwnguin | heh | 03:50 |
| pwnguin | for advanced uses, see qemu | 03:50 |
| virtuald | i take it that UWE isn't anywhere near ready to be used still | 06:22 |
| virtuald | UME | 06:22 |
| pwnguin | it wasn't very ready for gutsy, im setting up another chroot right now for hardy | 06:42 |
| virtuald | ah | 06:43 |
| pwnguin | i guess it depends on how you define ready to be used | 06:44 |
| virtuald | well, my goal is to keep it outside of the chroot, and use it in my carputer ... i was thinking of creating a set of touchscreen friendly apps | 06:44 |
| virtuald | but then i found this :) | 06:44 |
| pwnguin | ready to hack on | 06:44 |
| pwnguin | maybe not ready to replace your daily activities | 06:44 |
| virtuald | meh | 06:44 |
| virtuald | no daily activities at this time | 06:44 |
| pwnguin | interesting. im looking at this for my tablte | 06:44 |
| virtuald | :) | 06:44 |
| pwnguin | tablet | 06:45 |
| virtuald | yeah, i originally installed gentoo on it... but that got annoying | 06:45 |
| pwnguin | heh | 06:45 |
| virtuald | http://www.virtualroadside.com/carputer/pictures.html | 06:45 |
| virtuald | its a mini-itx system, with a 7in touchscreen | 06:46 |
| virtuald | i've been hacking on xorg all week, fixing the stupid input hotplugging problems with it | 06:46 |
| pwnguin | hah | 06:46 |
| pwnguin | cardboard box | 06:46 |
| virtuald | yeah, that was Rev 0.1 | 06:46 |
| virtuald | :) | 06:46 |
| pwnguin | you should try swapping the stereo head unit for it ;) | 06:47 |
| virtuald | yeah, i thought about that | 06:47 |
| virtuald | however, then i wouldn't have audio | 06:47 |
| pwnguin | no audio on the mobo? | 06:47 |
| pwnguin | i see some colored jacks | 06:48 |
| pwnguin | what's the software it's using for maps | 06:48 |
| virtuald | theres audio, no speakers | 06:48 |
| virtuald | it was using roadnav | 06:48 |
| virtuald | however, i haven't decided what this iteration is going to use | 06:49 |
| pwnguin | debian packages? | 06:49 |
| virtuald | no, it was in gentoo | 06:49 |
| virtuald | i've installed hardy on it now | 06:49 |
| virtuald | roadnav works pretty well though | 06:49 |
| virtuald | it has some interface issues though | 06:49 |
| pwnguin | someone else said just before you joined that they installed ubuntu-server and ubuntu-mobile | 06:49 |
| pwnguin | instead of the chroot approach | 06:50 |
| virtuald | yeah, i installed ubuntu-desktop.. then found this, so installed that too :) | 06:50 |
| virtuald | despite that they probably wont co-exist | 06:50 |
| pwnguin | ah | 06:50 |
| pwnguin | i was about to ask about that | 06:50 |
| virtuald | the chroot approach makes more sense for a real mobile device | 06:50 |
| pwnguin | ? | 06:51 |
| virtuald | that has to be flashed or something | 06:51 |
| virtuald | er | 06:51 |
| pwnguin | for a real device, i think you'd build an image | 06:51 |
| virtuald | thats what i meant | 06:51 |
| virtuald | lol | 06:51 |
| pwnguin | but the image builder doesn't seem to work quite naturally | 06:51 |
| virtuald | but for me... i've got a normal system, it just has a tiny touchscreen, so it makes more sense just to have it installed | 06:52 |
| virtuald | the audio player crashes everything however | 06:52 |
| virtuald | its pretty sad | 06:52 |
| pwnguin | apparently roadnav has .debs | 06:52 |
| virtuald | cool | 06:52 |
| virtuald | amusingly enough, i was going to hack on that last summer, and create a branch that would be more touchscreen friendly.. but made one commit and then got distracted by school and never got around to it | 06:53 |
| pwnguin | open source is a frequent casulty of life | 06:54 |
| virtuald | its not a particularly active project either | 06:54 |
| virtuald | yeah, it is | 06:54 |
| pwnguin | you know | 06:55 |
| virtuald | is there a doc somewhere on how to integrate new apps into the hildan thing | 06:55 |
| pwnguin | its strange how many projects i find where there's a seperate debian dir | 06:55 |
| pwnguin | and no package in debian | 06:55 |
| virtuald | *shrugs* | 06:55 |
| pwnguin | in a sense, it's a failure of debian to continue absorbing upstream | 06:56 |
| virtuald | im still getting used to debs and such... been a gentoo user for quite awhile | 06:56 |
| virtuald | yeah, probably lack of maintainers for the obscure packages | 06:56 |
| pwnguin | it's quite handy to seperate the build system from the distribution | 06:56 |
| pwnguin | well, not quite a lack of maintainers | 06:57 |
| pwnguin | sure, stuff gets orphaned, but there are quite a few debian developers | 06:57 |
| pwnguin | my rough guess is at least a thousand | 06:58 |
| virtuald | hm | 06:58 |
| virtuald | lack of attention then perhaps | 06:59 |
| virtuald | i mean, theres thousands of packages | 06:59 |
| pwnguin | 1049 DDs according to what im reading at the last vote | 06:59 |
| virtuald | hm | 07:00 |
| pwnguin | i guess debian's actually moved to something akin to MOTU | 07:01 |
| virtuald | MOTU? | 07:02 |
| pwnguin | "masters of the universe" | 07:02 |
| pwnguin | theres two main splits of ubuntu packages | 07:02 |
| pwnguin | main and universe (also the closed source versions) | 07:02 |
| virtuald | right | 07:02 |
| pwnguin | MOTU takes care of universe | 07:03 |
| virtuald | ah | 07:03 |
| virtuald | makes sense i suppose | 07:03 |
| virtuald | there is one nasty catch with roadnav | 07:03 |
| virtuald | it doesn't do one-way streets | 07:03 |
| virtuald | because of the map data it has doesn't denote them | 07:04 |
| pwnguin | heh | 07:04 |
| virtuald | and i just moved to boston (tons of one-way tiny streets), so i've been looking into other options | 07:04 |
| pwnguin | you can see garmin from my house | 07:05 |
| pwnguin | i know tons of people who work for them | 07:05 |
| pwnguin | they mostly buy someone elses map software | 07:05 |
| virtuald | haha | 07:05 |
| virtuald | google earth can do GPS, but that version costs money | 07:07 |
| virtuald | so.. then ubuntu-mobile is (essentially) something that can be installed instead of ubuntu-desktop then? | 07:08 |
| virtuald | as opposed to just being a set of packages | 07:08 |
| pwnguin | looks like it | 07:08 |
| virtuald | different kernel too? | 07:08 |
| pwnguin | technically, i think they're working on a new arch | 07:09 |
| pwnguin | lpia | 07:09 |
| virtuald | ah | 07:09 |
| pwnguin | but its x86 compatible | 07:09 |
| virtuald | k, i saw that somewhere, so i was wondering | 07:09 |
| pwnguin | so the idea behind the arch is that they recompile for efficiency | 07:09 |
| virtuald | i see | 07:11 |
| pwnguin | hrm. apparently the terminal application is installed, but ubuntu-mobile doesn't bring in xterm | 07:14 |
| virtuald | well, hopefully the mobile stuff will work out nicely :) | 07:18 |
| virtuald | it looks like a great interface on the surface | 07:19 |
| virtuald | im out though, nite | 07:19 |
| pwnguin | is there any other repo for moblin packages besides the main ubuntu archive? | 07:53 |
| pwnguin | i look at the webpage for mobile edition and the screenshots suggest more applications than im seeing currently | 07:54 |
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