[03:37] <pwnguin> is the image creater still the best way to test on non lpia devices?
[03:41] <nrp> was it ever the best way for that?
[03:42] <pwnguin> from my experiences, no
[03:42] <pwnguin> so how should i go about this then?
[03:43] <pwnguin> the wiki page suggests that image builder is the preferred way
[03:47] <nrp> i've just been installing ubuntu server and the ubuntu-mobile package
[03:50] <nrp> i couldnt get the image builder to work
[03:50] <pwnguin> heh
[03:50] <pwnguin> for advanced uses, see qemu
[06:22] <virtuald> i take it that UWE isn't anywhere near ready to be used still
[06:22] <virtuald> UME
[06:42] <pwnguin> it wasn't very ready for gutsy, im setting up another chroot right now for hardy
[06:43] <virtuald> ah
[06:44] <pwnguin> i guess it depends on how you define ready to be used
[06:44] <virtuald> well, my goal is to keep it outside of the chroot, and use it in my carputer ... i was thinking of creating a set of touchscreen friendly apps
[06:44] <virtuald> but then i found this :)
[06:44] <pwnguin> ready to hack on
[06:44] <pwnguin> maybe not ready to replace your daily activities
[06:44] <virtuald> meh
[06:44] <virtuald> no daily activities at this time 
[06:44] <pwnguin> interesting. im looking at this for my tablte
[06:44] <virtuald> :)
[06:45] <pwnguin> tablet
[06:45] <virtuald> yeah, i originally installed gentoo on it... but that got annoying
[06:45] <pwnguin> heh
[06:45] <virtuald> http://www.virtualroadside.com/carputer/pictures.html
[06:46] <virtuald> its a mini-itx system, with a 7in touchscreen
[06:46] <virtuald> i've been hacking on xorg all week, fixing the stupid input hotplugging problems with it
[06:46] <pwnguin> hah
[06:46] <pwnguin> cardboard box
[06:46] <virtuald> yeah, that was Rev 0.1
[06:46] <virtuald> :)
[06:47] <pwnguin> you should try swapping the stereo head unit for it ;)
[06:47] <virtuald> yeah, i thought about that
[06:47] <virtuald> however, then i wouldn't have audio
[06:47] <pwnguin> no audio on the mobo?
[06:48] <pwnguin> i see some colored jacks
[06:48] <pwnguin> what's the software it's using for maps
[06:48] <virtuald> theres audio, no speakers
[06:48] <virtuald> it was using roadnav
[06:49] <virtuald> however, i haven't decided what this iteration is going to use
[06:49] <pwnguin> debian packages?
[06:49] <virtuald> no, it was in gentoo
[06:49] <virtuald> i've installed hardy on it now
[06:49] <virtuald> roadnav works pretty well though
[06:49] <virtuald> it has some interface issues though
[06:49] <pwnguin> someone else said just before you joined that they installed ubuntu-server and ubuntu-mobile
[06:50] <pwnguin> instead of the chroot approach
[06:50] <virtuald> yeah, i installed ubuntu-desktop.. then found this, so installed that too :)
[06:50] <virtuald> despite that they probably wont co-exist
[06:50] <pwnguin> ah
[06:50] <pwnguin> i was about to ask about that
[06:50] <virtuald> the chroot approach makes more sense for a real mobile device
[06:51] <pwnguin> ?
[06:51] <virtuald> that has to be flashed or something
[06:51] <virtuald> er
[06:51] <pwnguin> for a real device, i think you'd build an image
[06:51] <virtuald> thats what i meant 
[06:51] <virtuald> lol
[06:51] <pwnguin> but the image builder doesn't seem to work quite naturally
[06:52] <virtuald> but for me... i've got a normal system, it just has a tiny touchscreen, so it makes more sense just to have it installed
[06:52] <virtuald> the audio player crashes everything however
[06:52] <virtuald> its pretty sad
[06:52] <pwnguin> apparently roadnav has .debs
[06:52] <virtuald> cool
[06:53] <virtuald> amusingly enough, i was going to hack on that last summer, and create a branch that would be more touchscreen friendly.. but made one commit and then got distracted by school and never got around to it
[06:54] <pwnguin> open source is a frequent casulty of life
[06:54] <virtuald> its not a particularly active project either
[06:54] <virtuald> yeah, it is
[06:55] <pwnguin> you know
[06:55] <virtuald> is there a doc somewhere on how to integrate new apps into the hildan thing
[06:55] <pwnguin> its strange how many projects i find where there's a seperate debian dir
[06:55] <pwnguin> and no package in debian
[06:55] <virtuald> *shrugs*
[06:56] <pwnguin> in a sense, it's a failure of debian to continue absorbing upstream
[06:56] <virtuald> im still getting used to debs and such... been a gentoo user for quite awhile
[06:56] <virtuald> yeah, probably lack of maintainers for the obscure packages
[06:56] <pwnguin> it's quite handy to seperate the build system from the distribution
[06:57] <pwnguin> well, not quite a lack of maintainers
[06:57] <pwnguin> sure, stuff gets orphaned, but there are quite a few debian developers
[06:58] <pwnguin> my rough guess is at least a thousand
[06:58] <virtuald> hm
[06:59] <virtuald> lack of attention then perhaps
[06:59] <virtuald> i mean, theres thousands of packages
[06:59] <pwnguin> 1049 DDs according to what im reading at the last vote
[07:00] <virtuald> hm
[07:01] <pwnguin> i guess debian's actually moved to something akin to MOTU
[07:02] <virtuald> MOTU?
[07:02] <pwnguin> "masters of the universe"
[07:02] <pwnguin> theres two main splits of ubuntu packages
[07:02] <pwnguin> main and universe (also the closed source versions)
[07:02] <virtuald> right
[07:03] <pwnguin> MOTU takes care of universe
[07:03] <virtuald> ah
[07:03] <virtuald> makes sense i suppose
[07:03] <virtuald> there is one nasty catch with roadnav
[07:03] <virtuald> it doesn't do one-way streets
[07:04] <virtuald> because of the map data it has doesn't denote them
[07:04] <pwnguin> heh
[07:04] <virtuald> and i just moved to boston (tons of one-way tiny streets), so i've been looking into other options
[07:05] <pwnguin> you can see garmin from my house
[07:05] <pwnguin> i know tons of people who work for them
[07:05] <pwnguin> they mostly buy someone elses map software
[07:05] <virtuald> haha
[07:07] <virtuald> google earth can do GPS, but that version costs money
[07:08] <virtuald> so.. then ubuntu-mobile is (essentially) something that can be installed instead of ubuntu-desktop then?
[07:08] <virtuald> as opposed to just being a set of packages
[07:08] <pwnguin> looks like it
[07:08] <virtuald> different kernel too?
[07:09] <pwnguin> technically, i think they're working on a new arch
[07:09] <pwnguin> lpia
[07:09] <virtuald> ah
[07:09] <pwnguin> but its x86 compatible
[07:09] <virtuald> k, i saw that somewhere, so i was wondering
[07:09] <pwnguin> so the idea behind the arch is that they recompile for efficiency
[07:11] <virtuald> i see
[07:14] <pwnguin> hrm. apparently the terminal application is installed, but ubuntu-mobile doesn't bring in xterm
[07:18] <virtuald> well, hopefully the mobile stuff will work out nicely :)
[07:19] <virtuald> it looks like a great interface on the surface
[07:19] <virtuald> im out though, nite
[07:53] <pwnguin> is there any other repo for moblin packages besides the main ubuntu archive?
[07:54] <pwnguin> i look at the webpage for mobile edition and the screenshots suggest more applications than im seeing currently
[18:53] <slytherin> Mithrandir: are you planning to update bluez-utils and bluez-gnome to latest version? They contain bug fixes.