[00:16] <Seveas> mc44, prod
[00:16] <Seveas> have you found me already? :)
[00:16] <mc44> Seveas: of course
[00:16] <Seveas> mc44, tell me :)
[00:17] <mc44> Seveas: wouldn't want to give the game away, but lets say it's not quite Mornington Cresent
[00:17] <Seveas> mc44, fair enough, you got me :)
[00:17] <Seveas> let's fly!
[00:17] <mc44> :)
[00:18] <LjL-Mobile1> especially if you go on conversing in a logged channel
[00:18] <Seveas> LjL-Mobile1, I doubt many people can combine a channel 4 game and a guide
[05:43] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: now, i'm *fairly* sure that counts as spam.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> !o4o
[05:45] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> !no o4o is <reply> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, spreading propoganda, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode 
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Policy) - Thanks.
[05:46] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[05:46] <Hobbsee> !o4o
[05:46] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, spreading propoganda, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode
[05:46] <Hobbsee> ugh. that's getting too long
[05:47] <Hobbsee> !no o4o is <reply> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, spreading propoganda, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Policy)
[05:47] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[05:47] <nikrud> Hobbsee: its propaganda 
[05:47] <Hobbsee> !no o4o is <reply> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, spreading propaganda, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Policy)
[05:47] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[05:47] <Hobbsee> nikrud: darn, thanks.
[05:47] <nikrud> Hobbsee: no problem. Nice addition
[05:48] <Hobbsee> nikrud: just in case it's not clear enough.  or something
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> In soviet russia, nikrud's nik getz changed?
[05:49] <nikrud> my stats were too high, needed to start over
[05:53] <nalioth> Hobbsee: you're quite spamalicious  :)
[05:54] <Hobbsee> nalioth: heh
[06:20] <Hobbsee> so, any objections from unbanning emma?  hopefully she's more rational today
[06:20] <Hobbsee> after all, this is the appeals ground, and she may have a decent appeal
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> fair point
[06:23] <stdin> she's in #kubuntu-offtopic, so far not said anything about -uncensored, but teetering on it
[06:54]  * Hobbsee pokes the irc council and such
[06:54] <Hobbsee> [17:41] <emma> An acceptable result..
[06:54] <Hobbsee> [17:43] <Hobbsee> you haven't answered the quesiton yet
[06:54] <Hobbsee> [17:46] <emma> an acceptable result for me would be if i could have the ban lifted from me in -offtopic and -ops, and i would make an apology, and comply with the rules, and that hopefully if I did that then i wouldn't see comments that made me feel challenged, but if I did then I would try very hard to swallow my pride and handle it gracefully
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [17:51] <Hobbsee> including not mentioning about the irseek, or anything about logging, or advertise the existance of ##ubuntu-uncensored in any #*ubuntu* channels?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [17:51] <Hobbsee> or payint out the ops?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [17:51] <Hobbsee> er, paying
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [17:52] <emma> just to clarify i have never ever ever said anything about paying out the ops
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [17:52] <emma> that's new to me.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [17:52] <Hobbsee> please don't make me go around and pull all of the stuff out of -uncensored about it.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [17:52] <Hobbsee> or any of our queries
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [17:53] <emma> Okay but i really don't think that any ops are getting payed off?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [17:53] <emma> but yes to answer your question
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [17:54] <Hobbsee> yes, i do.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [17:54] <Hobbsee> OK, then i'll take that to the ops, and see what they say.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> <apologies for paste>
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: See if you can add a condition of renaming that channel.
[06:56]  * Hobbsee pokes her into here
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> It's hard to swallow the hit on the Ubuntu image from the pseudo-namespace.
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> Hey emma 
[06:57] <emma> hello
[06:58] <Hobbsee> [17:56] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: See if you can add a condition of renaming that channel.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> hi emma 
[06:59]  * Hobbsee just pasted the last of our query in here, for people to read over, and make a decision on
[06:59] <emma> very embarassing
[06:59] <Hobbsee> it was only from [17:54] <Hobbsee> [17:41] <emma> An acceptable result..
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> emma: just the relevant stuff to fill us in on where you guys had gotten to
[07:02] <emma> *nods* 
[07:02] <tonyyarusso> emma: basically what I was saying there is that we'd all very much like to see your channel renamed to not include "ubuntu" in the title.  The channel has a perfect right to exist, and we support that, but as the ones responsible for Ubuntu's IRC presence the current status makes us uncomfortable.
[07:03] <emma> but it isn't just the ops who can read it, it's everyone in the world. Which feels embarrassing. 
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> Someone suggested "##emmas-space", or anything like that.  You can be creative too.
[07:05] <Hobbsee> oh wow!
[07:05] <Hobbsee> this page actually works under linux now.  woot!
[07:05] <emma> Well done Hobbsee :)
[07:05] <tonyyarusso> which one is that Hobbsee ?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> emma: i know SportChick uses ##essy for the same sort of thing.  ##emmas-space is probably quite reasonable
[07:05] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: submit system for uni.  blackboard.  it really sucks.
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> ah
[07:06] <emma> I don't know SportChick
[07:06]  * tonyyarusso uses ##tonyyarusso - is not very creative
[07:07] <Hobbsee> emma: she's a nice staffer.  you should meet her one day.  or turn up at ##essy
[07:07] <emma> Okay 
[07:07] <tonyyarusso> Careful - watch out for the mass-huggings.
[07:07] <emma> I hope neither of you will take this the wrong way, I will have to accept your decision if not, but would you mind if we went to ##moderation or any other channel that is not put on the internet for everyone to read latter?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> emma: based on how a lot of people are not there, and have will have missed a lot of context, i'm not sure how that's fiar to them
[07:09] <Hobbsee> (and i suspect it's too late nwo)
[07:12] <tonyyarusso> emma: bother.  I'm trying to ponder up a way that we can satisfy that request and still keep the other people involved if they happen to show up, but unfortunately I'm drawing a blank, so I think we'll likely have to work with what we have here.
[07:13] <emma> alright
[07:13] <tonyyarusso> Sorry 'bout that - I know it's not ideal for you.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> pity ubuntulog can't be on a public machine or something.
[07:15] <tonyyarusso> Yeah really...  /me REALLY doesn't want to touch anything RT-related these days
[07:15] <Hobbsee> friends in high places help.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> especially if they want stuff from you, too
[07:18] <emma> Okay so to everyone who may be reading this in the future, I want to ask that you not judge me harshly. It is 3:13 am for me right now and I am tired and sad. I am trying to work with people and I will do my best.
[07:18] <Hobbsee> but not really worth the risk for anything time-critical
[07:18] <emma> Based on what Hobbsee posted before I entered the channel could I please be given my voice back in -offtopic?
[07:19]  * Hobbsee wants to wait for others ( elkbuntu, LjL, Seveas ) to have a say
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> We should have something like /stats p that tracks who's up
[07:19] <Hobbsee> seeing as they've all been invoved too
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[07:19] <Hobbsee> eclipse has a mass memory leak, too :(
[07:20]  * tonyyarusso twiddles thumbs while we wait - might be a good time to get a snack
[07:20]  * Hobbsee heads out for a bit
[07:26] <emma> I am only one person. How many ops are needed to deal with me?
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> emma: well, we'd like to get the input of the various ones who already have, is all
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> Not so much "needed" as being polite to them as well.
[07:28] <emma> I have nothing against LjL so don't misunderstand this but I haven't really had any interaction with him for a very long time, except for this afternoon when I came in here. Said another way, he has not been an op involved directly with any disagreement that I'm aware of.
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> emma: We might get lucky, but given the time of day it may be necessary to idle here for a few hours.  (Note to everyone else, we're letting her idle here to wait for that feedback.)
[07:32]  * Myrtti reads the backlog
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> emma: Any offers you can make on the channel name while people are considering?
[07:34] <emma> (Note to people reading this in the future:  If we wait a few hours it will be 6:30 am for me, and I will not have slept all night. Also, I let tonyyarusso and other Ubuntu ops idle in my channel. It is nice of them to let me idle in his.)
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> emma: I hope you have a client that logs hilights when /away :)
[07:34]  * tonyyarusso should go to sleep soon too - is one hour behind emma
[07:34] <emma> I use xchat.
[07:35] <ompaul> Myrtti, pm
[07:37] <emma> Not really tonyyarusso  that looked like something that was thrown in after I was asked to come in here, and after my private message to Hobbsee was made public for all of my friends to see. So I would like to ask the ops for their consideration given what was already posted there.
[08:22] <elkbuntu> emma, i have no problem with you having voice back in -offtopic *only* on the proviso that you agree to play by our rules in our playground
[08:23] <emma> *nods*
[08:25] <emma> ty elkbuntu they were waiting for you. I hope they are still here now.
[08:25] <elkbuntu> and that includes not challenging or trying to exploit loopholes
[08:27] <emma> Yes.
[08:28] <elkbuntu> well it seems hobbsee has gone to dinner right now, so it's probably best you head to bed, and let us work this out when she returns, ok?
[08:28] <emma> yes ty. goodnight.
[08:28] <ompaul> sleep well
[08:45]  * jpatrick blinks
[08:45] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, if you value your sanity... wipe the past 12hrs from your irc
[08:46] <elkbuntu> life will be alot simpler
[08:47] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: impossible, it seems they beat themselves all up last night in #kubuntu-es
[08:47] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, oh dear
[09:04] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: Canonical will probably never put the bots on a public machine as they're a "security risk"
[09:05] <tonyyarusso> Apparently fixing the broken links on LoCo sites is a "security risk" too, so I'd second that.
[09:06] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: but you could try poking them in #canonical-sysadmin
[09:07] <tonyyarusso> I don't think that channel even exists anymore jpatrick, from what I've heard.  It wasn't all that helpful anyway.
[09:07]  * tonyyarusso is now 14 months and counting on trying to get LoCo hosting up and running properly with Canonical after team approval
[09:27] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, have you sent a mail to "sysadmins"  not sure of the actual address
[09:27] <Seveas> admin@rt.c.com
[09:28] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, ^^^^^^^^^^ and thank the dutchman
[09:28] <jpatrick> rt@ubuntu.com
[09:29] <jpatrick> says their /topic
[09:29] <Seveas> dutchman is outdated :)
[09:31] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, it appears I was wrong to trust Seveas :-(
[09:31]  * ompaul buys Seveas a breakfast anyways
[09:31] <Seveas> I have pancakes :)
[09:32] <ompaul> is my breakfast not good enough for you?
[09:32] <Seveas> no
[09:32] <Seveas> not when I have pancakes :)
[09:38] <ompaul> every person who goes on IRC should prove they have read this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7296856.stm
[09:38] <Myrtti> mmmmm eggses might be yum
[09:41]  * jussi01 wakes up
[09:41] <ompaul> Myrtti, rice eggs and fruit all in the one bowl warmed up with a 500ml 
[09:42] <ompaul> glass of water
[09:47] <Myrtti> ompaul: fried eggs with gouda and blue mold cheese
[09:47] <Myrtti> I had my oatmeal already
[09:47] <ompaul> ahhh
[09:48] <jussi01> Myrtti: aurajuusto is bleh
[09:50] <jussi01> hehe, I just found a set of weights for Myrtti http://www.flickr.com/photos/13709241@N08/1447094491/sizes/l/in/set-72157602124993530/
[09:51] <Myrtti> dang, today is Palm sunday
[09:51] <Myrtti> forgot that
[09:51] <jussi01> Myrtti: heh, shops ae closed...
[09:52] <Myrtti> not the one nearest to me
[09:52] <Myrtti> better to close all hatches and pretend I'm dead
[09:52] <jussi01> Myrtti: are you sure? 
[09:52] <jussi01> my sale is closed today :(
[09:53] <Myrtti> jussi01: it's a small siwa, open 07-23 every day
[09:53] <jussi01> Myrtti: you lucky thing :D
[09:53] <Myrtti> I'm sure the kids would be really happy if I gave them kiwi fruits
[09:53] <Myrtti> :-D
[09:54]  * jussi01 thinks about going to make an ommelatte
[09:54] <jussi01> OH crap
[09:54] <jussi01> yeah, for got about that :(
[09:54] <jussi01> I was so going to buy some easter eggs for them
[09:55] <ompaul> ehehehehe
[09:55] <ompaul> food for kiddies
[09:55] <ompaul> you will eat that apple and drink the pure water
[09:55] <ompaul> none of this manafactured rubbish I tell ya
[09:56] <ompaul> ohh and here is a hard boiled egg and a water colour set (lead free)
[09:56] <ompaul> have a nice day
[09:56] <Myrtti> ompaul: it's like halloween here today
[09:56] <ompaul> Myrtti, ahhhh
[09:56] <jussi01> Myrtti: what is it they say again?
[09:56] <ompaul> so kiwis all around
[09:57] <Myrtti> kids dressed up as cats/bunnies/witches have decorated pussy willows and they bless you, they give you the twig and you give them a payment
[09:57] <Myrtti> jussi01: virvon varvon tuoreeks terveeks tulevaks vuodeks, vitsa sulle, palkka mulle
[09:58] <jussi01> hehe, its so funny to see them :D
[09:58] <ompaul> Myrtti, well I guess for all the twigs and blessings you get a few kiwis is not robbery ;-)
[09:59] <Myrtti> or I could retort to the old tradition that the payment was given on Easter sunday
[09:59] <Myrtti> "come back next week"
[10:00] <Myrtti> it's an odd mixture of eastern and western cultures this
[10:00] <Myrtti> well, not that odd even.
[10:00] <Myrtti> the dressing up part, dressing up as a witch comes from Sweden
[10:01] <Myrtti> the blessing part, the payment and the decorated pussy willows comes from the east
[10:01] <Myrtti> and it used to be boiled eggs
[10:02]  * jussi01 goes to boils some eggs :P
[10:03] <ompaul> get them to tell you their names 
[10:03] <ompaul> and get some lead free paint
[10:03] <ompaul> paint their inital on the outside of the egg and dry it with a hair dryer
[10:03] <ompaul> hehe
[10:03] <Myrtti> I need to get some candy, I want those pussy willows
[10:03] <ompaul> what are you waiting for it is lunchtime ;-)
[10:03] <jussi01> Myrtti: offf to siwa with you :P
[10:04] <Myrtti> or candy
[10:04] <jussi01> ompaul: siwa is similar to spar fyi :)
[10:05] <ompaul> jussi01, now we got new spars they are bigger and called euro spars
[10:05] <ompaul> in there you find lots of franchises 
[10:05] <ompaul> seems no one wants to do more than one thing these days
[10:05] <jussi01> ompaul: heh, they are trying to compete with tesco?
[10:08] <jussi01> Myrtti: we should add a pirakka (sp?) factoid :P
[10:09] <ompaul> jussi01, no, they are more mace / centra if you know those brands
[10:10] <jussi01> ompaul: yeah, I know
[10:10] <ompaul> and if you know ireland smaller than supervalue 
[10:10] <jussi01> yep
[10:10] <ompaul> drop the e
[10:10]  * jussi01 has shopped at all of thse stores
[10:10] <ompaul> so the are the biggest of the small shops
[10:10] <jussi01> yeps :D
[10:10] <ompaul> if supervalu is to be considered the first of the medium
[10:15]  * Hobbsee finally comes back
[10:15]  * jpatrick hides from Hobbsee's @
[10:15] <jussi01> oooh,  look, its a Hobbsee !!
[10:15] <Hobbsee> 'tis indeed.
[10:15]  * Seveas hugs Hobbsee 
[10:17] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (daizisheng)
[10:18]  * Hobbsee hugs Seveas back :)
[10:21]  * jpatrick takes a look at -motu and blinks
[10:21] <Myrtti> hiphip hooray for Filmtown
[10:22] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: what about it?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> oh, that's strange
[10:22] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o Sebastian] by ChanServ
[10:22] <jpatrick> on join...
[10:22] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: /cs op #ubuntu-motu -Sebastian 
[10:23] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: yeah
[10:24]  * Hobbsee used to be able to use her /deop foo to deop her and foo
[10:25] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: this way you don't have to op tho..
[10:25] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: i added lifeless to the access list, too
[10:35] <Myrtti> mmmm dracula pills
[11:09] <jpatrick> morning Jack_Sparrow 
[11:17] <Jack_Sparrow> HEllo
[11:17] <Jack_Sparrow> HAd to get up early to fix a windows box
[11:18] <Seveas> hence the smirnoff?
[11:22] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes
[11:22] <Jack_Sparrow> Plus I had a few of those last night as well
[11:38] <jussi01> Seveas: we dont seem to have bug notification in #kubuntu anymore :(
[11:41] <jpatrick> Seveas: could we "@nick George" now?
[11:41] <Seveas> jpatrick, we could
[11:41] <Seveas> jussi01, hmm
[11:41] <jpatrick> Seveas: just to shake things up
[11:45] <jussi01> anyone got that link to writing a good bug report handy?
[11:46] <jpatrick> jussi01: when you submit a bug, it givves you the link
[11:50] <jpatrick> jussi01: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[11:51]  * jussi01 hugs jpatrick 
[11:52] <jussi01> jpatrick: hmmm, thats not what I was actually after...
[11:54] <jussi01> jpatrick: I found one, not the one Iwas lookking for, but good still: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
[11:57] <jpatrick> jussi01: "If you have reached this page by following a link from the website for a particular program"
[12:01] <jpatrick> ;)
[12:02] <jussi01> jpatrick: oh shutup... didnt see that
[12:03] <jussi01> ok, im going now, Im having a bad pc day :(
[12:03] <jpatrick> don't g!
[12:03] <jpatrick> -o*
[12:56] <Jack_Sparrow> jpatrick, who is this icesword 
[13:32] <jpatrick> Jack_Sparrow: no idea
[14:08] <LjL> [15:07:01] [Notice] -- [Sat 15 Mar 14:22:33](macckulkin) #LinuxChat (away from rushy and big channels) needs some good company and good channel operators. Just introducing once. sorry if this is a nuisence to you.
[14:08] <LjL> don't know which channels he was in
[14:08] <LjL> anyone else got it?
[14:12] <ompaul> LjL, 24 hours ago everyone ;-)
[14:13] <LjL> ah so i guess he's been dealt with
[14:13] <LjL> "Dead socket"? what's that for a quit message
[14:13] <ompaul> sounds like a strange sort of ping timeout
[14:14] <LjL> i guess, just haven't noticed seeing it before
[14:14] <LjL> unless the socket is "dead" because it's been killed :P
[14:14] <ompaul> ehh mirc script is the hint from the google machine
[14:16] <ompaul> but nothing specific - search ended
[14:59] <nalioth> looks like my little canary can tell when the modem is up
[15:00]  * PriceChild grins
[15:01] <LjL> nalioth: your canary?
[15:01] <nalioth> LjL: ubot3 
[15:01] <LjL> ah
[15:02] <LjL> ubot3: tweet
[15:03] <nalioth> my remote shells do not have one of the python components needed to run it  :(
[15:04] <LjL> nalioth: can't ask admin?
[15:05] <nalioth> i have asked
[15:05]  * nalioth doesn't know which one(s) to ask for   :(
[15:05] <LjL> nalioth: the one who has lots of "apt-get"s in their .bash_history :P
[15:07] <nalioth> LjL: huh?
[15:08] <LjL> nevermind, homes won't be readable anyway
[15:18] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[15:18] <jpatrick> lord..
[15:20] <jpatrick> too many +b's
[15:20] <LjL> how so?
[15:21] <jpatrick> just looked like loads to me
[15:21] <LjL> jpatrick: well, there were loads of victims
[15:21] <jpatrick> :)
[15:23] <LjL> 'course the bans could be compacted a bit by using +bbbb every time - which i actually do, but the bots share the "load" by randomizing, so the last bans are always on single users or two at best
[15:28] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: Sebas keeps getting oped in -motu
[15:28] <PriceChild> That was a lot of victims.
[15:29] <LjL> PriceChild: ctcp
[15:29] <jpatrick> LjL: dcc I got
[15:29] <LjL> jpatrick: dcc requests are sent via ctcp
[15:29] <jpatrick> ah
[16:01] <LjL> [17:01:32] [Whois] Qnix is n=Qnix@2001:470:1f08:64:dead:dead:dead:dead (0x80)
[16:01] <LjL> [17:01:32] [Whois] Qnix is a user on channels: ##c ##linux #remote-exploit #tuxhacker #ubuntu
[16:23] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[16:32] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[18:20] <jpatrick> hey, should we have a !policy factoid pointing at http://freenode.net/policy.shtml ?
[18:23] <ompaul> no
[18:23] <ompaul> !freenode
[18:23] <ubotu> freenode is the IRC network that you're on! See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[18:23] <ompaul> we already do
[18:23] <jpatrick> ok
 Found: logs-#ubuntuforums, tor-gpg, freenode, hostmask, register, umode, modes, offtopic4offtopic, netsplit, proxy
[18:24] <LjL> !recover is <reply> If you're using ext3, there is no way to recover deleted files, unless you know what to search for. Packages that help with this are "testdisk" ("photorec" command) and "magicrescue". To recover mistakenly deleted partitions, try "testdisk" or "gpart".
[18:24] <jpatrick> I !search'd policy, couldn't find
[18:24] <ompaul> jpatrick,   /msg ubotu search whatever ;-)
[18:24] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[18:24] <ompaul> LjL, what about the corners toolkit
[18:24] <Seveas> LjL, actually, I have a nice blogpost for you about that
[18:25] <jpatrick> LjL: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html :p
[18:25] <Seveas> exactly
[18:25] <Seveas> just found it in my ffox history :)
[18:25] <ompaul> LjL,  http://www.porcupine.org/forensics/tct.html  afik tct is the package ubotu> tct (source: tct): Forensics related utilities.. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.11-6.3 (gutsy), package size 147 kB, installed size 576 kB
[18:26] <LjL> moment, let me see if it deserves writing a wiki page
[18:26] <jpatrick> Seveas: I'm on LWN.net rss
[18:26] <Seveas> jpatrick, I read it before lwn posted it :p
[18:28] <LjL> !recovery is <reply> Some tools to recover lost data are listed and explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery - Remember that it's tricky to recover deleted files from your journalled !filesystem, and you should keep !backups of important data.
[18:28] <ubotu> But recovery already means something else!
[18:28] <LjL> !recovery
[18:28] <ubotu> To rescue a broken system, boot the alternate install CD and select "Rescue a broken system"
[18:28] <LjL> hm
[18:28] <LjL> !no recover is <reply> Some tools to recover lost data are listed and explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery - Remember that it's tricky to recover deleted files from your journalled !filesystem, and you should keep !backups of important data.
[18:28] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[18:28] <jpatrick> I thought you were doing !recover
[18:28] <LjL> jpatrick: yeah i typoed
[18:28] <LjL> still they're a bit similar in name
[18:28] <LjL> again?
[18:28] <ompaul> !backups
[18:28] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[18:28] <ompaul> hmm
[18:28] <ompaul>  what about /msg ubotu in place of !
[18:29] <LjL> doesn't flow, makes the factoid twice as long in the first place :P
[18:29] <LjL> Seveas: (see what i mean about double-factoids)
[18:29] <ompaul> and then the channel four times as busy
[18:29] <ompaul> put is all in a lead to one backup page
[18:30] <ompaul> and have one url
[18:30] <ompaul> backups and recovery 
[18:30] <ompaul> whamo win 
[18:30] <LjL> no they're two entirely different things
[18:30] <LjL> the wiki people wouldn't like that at all
[18:30] <ompaul> well then 
[18:30] <ompaul> one wiki page on backup s
[18:30] <ompaul> and a reference to recovery 
[18:31] <LjL> yeah that should be the way
[18:31] <ompaul> after all if I store something I want it again (in theory at least)
[18:31] <LjL> but honestly i'm not currently the one who's going to try to plug all those backup pages together :)
[18:31] <LjL> merging schizophrenic wikis can be wearing
[18:32] <ompaul> what really gets to me is that there are four URLS and two more !s
[18:32] <LjL> i'll dedicate to making the recovery page a bit more complete right now (since it doesn't mention half the tools i had in the factoid)
[18:32] <ompaul> just nuts
[18:32] <Seveas> peanuts or macadamia?
[18:32] <LjL> yeah i know that's bad, there should be one well organized backup page (not recovery, though) in the first place
[18:32] <ompaul> Seveas, the mad type
[18:44] <nikrud> LjL: you might want to alias undelete to recover
[18:44] <LjL> yeah
[18:44] <LjL> editing the wiki right now
[19:03] <kavik> hello?
[19:03] <Seveas> hello kavik 
[19:03] <Seveas> how can we hlp you?
[19:03] <LjL> if you want to check my changes to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery and/or add something about the coroner's toolkit (bit to complicated for me to investigate right now)
[19:03] <kavik> sevas will you be on in 8 hours?
[19:03] <Seveas> kavik, why do you want to know?
[19:04] <kavik> i need to talk to you about something but i forgot i have to work and i'm late
[19:04] <Seveas> heh
[19:04] <kavik> yeah
[19:04] <Seveas> I could be, just come in here and see if I answer :)
[19:04] <kavik> k see ya
[19:04] <JonathanD> meh
[19:04] <JonathanD> Seveas: I can probably fill you in, if you like :)
[19:04] <Seveas> it probably was: <FloodBot1> WARNING: Channel CTCP/NOTICE from kavik, banned
[19:05] <Seveas> I'll definitely *not* be here in 8 hours, that's 4am for me and I'm not LjL :)
[19:05] <JonathanD> Seveas: based on his story and what I just tested, I would avoid leafchat at all costs :)
[19:05] <LjL> Seveas: you lazy timezone respecter
[19:05] <Seveas> LjL, more like work starts at 09:00 tomorrow morning and people frown if I'm not in before 10:30
[19:07] <ompaul> Seveas, heh my work starts at 9:30 and people raise eyebrows if I do not show up before 9:15 am
[19:07] <ompaul> then again that is a public transport thing
[19:07] <Seveas> ompaul, you have the wrong job :)
[19:08] <ompaul> Seveas, na I never work late in the office without it being my choice
[19:08] <LjL> Seveas: they frown because they have high voltage put through them?
[19:08] <Seveas> LjL, that too
[19:08] <ompaul> LjL, they worry they have to implement their DR plan
[19:10] <ompaul> Seveas, and they would be mighty perturbed if I was there late it would be an indication that something was not right
[19:10] <ompaul> and they don't like that
[19:18] <ompaul> LjL, I altered the intro a bit and it seems those tools are tct but more user friendly which you need if you are in that particular house of pain
[19:24] <Seveas> !staff
[19:24] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[19:24] <Seveas> !ops
[19:24] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[19:24] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()
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[19:24] <Seveas> (space added by me)
[19:25] <jpatrick> bot not picking up expliot..
[19:25] <Seveas> LjL, floodbot didn't catch it
[19:25] <Amaranth> probably because of the :
[19:25] <Seveas> --- LjL sets ban on bluefox83!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic
[19:25] <Myrtti> huh
[19:25] <Seveas> that's a repeater
[19:26] <Amaranth> that looks like a bot with a bug
[19:26] <LjL> Seveas: so is paolinho
[19:26] <LjL> Seveas: that was a ctcp without being a ctcp
[19:36] <bluefox83> whats going on?
[19:36] <bluefox83> i did the port change crap
[19:36] <Seveas> yet you got disconnected again
[19:36] <bluefox83> i'm not updating my brand spankin new router O.o
[19:37] <Seveas> bluefox83, do the selftest in #ubuntu-read-topic
[19:37] <bluefox83> i did
[19:37] <bluefox83> it disconnected me
[19:37] <LjL> bluefox83, you probably missed some of the instructions
[19:37] <Seveas> then you're connected on the wrong port
[19:37] <LjL> bluefox83: did you change all ports listed, if more than one? did you actually close and reopen the IRC client?
[19:38] <bluefox83> yeah i changed the port, but it's still connecting to 6667 O.o
[19:38] <bluefox83> oh, no i didn't close it
[19:38] <LjL> bluefox83: perhaps you changed it only for freenode but not for ubuntu irc, or vice versa?
[19:38] <LjL> then do
[20:03] <Tm_T> Seveas: interesting in #u
[20:03] <Seveas> yeah
[20:04] <Seveas> now he's pm'ing that I'm a nazi
[20:04] <Tm_T> haha
[20:04] <Seveas> so yesterday I was big brother and now a nazi
[20:04] <Seveas> stalin tomorrow?
[20:04] <Myrtti> a cuddly wuddly bear
[20:05]  * Seveas hugs Myrtti 
[20:05]  * Myrtti hugs Seveas 
[20:05] <Seveas> I do look somewhat bear-ish though
[20:05] <Myrtti> jpg or it didn't happen
[20:05]  * Tm_T hugs and cuddles Myrtti with pink rain
[20:05] <Seveas> haven't shaved in a week, need a haircut and I did put on some weight in the past months :/
[20:05] <Tm_T> Myrtti: png danke
[20:06] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[20:06] <Myrtti> I'm getting blue again
[20:07] <Myrtti> better to leave IRC for today and do some work
[20:07] <ompaul> Seveas, and the day after you now what you going to be? 
[20:07] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hugs for you <3
[20:07] <Myrtti> audabe is asking for the bans history at -ot...
[20:07] <Seveas> ompaul, either osama or gwb
[20:07] <ompaul> Seveas, a sysadmin with root
[20:07] <Myrtti> that might turn intresting
[20:07] <Seveas> depends on the trolls
[20:07] <ompaul> much wors
[20:07] <ompaul> e
[20:10] <jpatrick> hi, thesurvivorman, how may we help you "today"?
[20:11] <thesurvivorman> I was wondering if someone could help me. I can't connect to #ubuntu. I can connect to other rooms.
[20:11] <Seveas> thesurvivorman, did you follow the instructions in #ubuntu-read-topic where you were sent?
[20:11] <thesurvivorman> Yes I did. 
[20:12] <Seveas> thesurvivorman, did you request a selftest?
[20:12] <thesurvivorman> The "test me"?
[20:12] <Seveas> yes
[20:12] <thesurvivorman> I did that.
[20:12] <ompaul> thesurvivorman, and you typed the words "test me"
[20:12] <thesurvivorman> Yes I did.
[20:12] <Seveas> did that disconnect you?
[20:12] <Seveas> yes it did
[20:12] <ompaul> dont things so
[20:12] <Seveas> he just did the 'test me' again ;)
[20:13] <thesurvivorman> it did disconnect me
[20:13] <Seveas> thesurvivorman, you did not follow the instructions properly, else it would not have disconnected you
[20:13] <thesurvivorman> it said to add the /8001 I believe?
[20:14] <thesurvivorman> I did that. And I'm able to connect to other freenode rooms. 
[20:14] <Seveas> thesurvivorman, but you're still vulnerable for that exploit, please follow the instructions carefully
[20:15] <thesurvivorman> ok guys. I'll try again. Is this specific to the room?
[20:15] <thesurvivorman> I can join ubuntu+1 and others.
[20:15] <thesurvivorman> Just curious.
[20:16] <Seveas> thesurvivorman, it is specific to #ubuntu and a few other channels
[20:16] <thesurvivorman> thanks. I'll try again. I appreciate your help :)
[20:16] <Seveas> http://media.kaarsemaker.net/reset_passwords
[20:16] <Seveas> I need opinions on that thing
[20:16] <ompaul> Seveas, looking
[20:17] <Seveas> a few minutes ago it saved a horrible noob a lot of time. Forgot his password, this thing makes it dead-easy to reset
[20:17] <Seveas> whilst still being safe
[20:17] <Seveas> (for values of safe)
[20:18] <ompaul> Seveas, scares me to hell 
[20:18] <ompaul> I can see why it exists
[20:18] <Seveas> ompaul, which bit?
[20:19] <ompaul> a live CD killing off installed systems ;-)
[20:19] <Seveas> it's not killing off, look at the checks it does :)
[20:19] <ompaul> I am 
[20:19] <ompaul> tell you what echo -e "\033[4;30mFound the following distribution on $part\033[0m:"
[20:20] <Seveas> ignore the \033[....m bits 
[20:20] <Seveas> those change color
[20:20] <ompaul> when it sees
[20:20] <Seveas> it's safe to run on installed systems as well, try it
[20:20] <ompaul> the lsb_release
[20:20] <Seveas> just answer no to the 'should I change this pass' question
[20:21] <ompaul> I would like it to tell the user I see this version -- are you sure you want to reset the password please type this sentence
[20:21] <ompaul> I do not mind if I trash access to this system.
[20:21] <Seveas> 'y' is a short sentence :) 
[20:21] <ompaul> then put in the password
[20:21] <ompaul> or they put in the sentence
[20:21] <ompaul> but the exact itme
[20:21] <ompaul> item
[20:22] <Seveas> hi artenius 
[20:22] <Seveas> what can we do for you?
[20:22] <artenius> hi Seveas 
[20:22] <artenius> I'm wondering if it's possible that I tripped some trigger by mistake.  I'm hoping my system isn't really exploited
[20:22] <ompaul> artenius, the bug is in the router
[20:22] <ompaul> it is "exploitable"
[20:23] <Seveas> artenius, for most safety, upgrade your routers firmware
[20:23] <artenius> yeah I'm checking to see if there is a firmware update now
[20:23] <ompaul> on this network you can connect to port 8001 and avoid that condition
[20:23] <ompaul> artenius, just connect to 8001 some firmware updates don't hack it
[20:23] <artenius> I don't want to be vulnerable on other networks though
[20:23] <ompaul> fine
[20:24] <ompaul> Seveas, did you ever hear the band "aslan" ?
[20:24] <artenius> is there info on what exactly the exploit does or allows?
[20:24] <Seveas> ompaul, no
[20:24] <Seveas> artenius, the router will crap itself (drop connections) when it sees a malformed DCC request 
[20:25] <artenius> ahh, I guess using a bounce would prevent it then anyway
[20:25] <Seveas> artenius, no
[20:25] <Seveas> the malformed DCC requests don't always look like DCC request but like normal messages, which the bouncer will send you
[20:26] <artenius> ahh
[20:26] <ompaul> artenius, it ends up on your router and you fall over
[20:26] <artenius> ok, atleast it just drops you though and doesn't actually effect my computer systems.
[20:26] <artenius> had me worried when I woke up and saw all these messages
[20:28] <ompaul> you need to disconnect from IRC and rejoin to get the client to work
[20:28] <Seveas> ompaul, he's already done that
[20:28] <ompaul> ahh
[20:28] <ompaul> so then 
[20:29] <Seveas> artenius, 'worry' is exactly the feeling we want to get across with the forwarding -- it's not good to have an exploitable router
[20:29] <Seveas> good to see that works :)
[20:29] <artenius> well thanks guys., I'm gonna disconnect and update my firmware,  hopefully that solves it.
[20:37] <LjL> Seveas: i thought we mostly didn't want to see people bouncing in and out of the channel every fives minutes :P
[20:38] <Seveas> LjL, we can't say that to our users, gotta protect the image :p
[20:39] <jpatrick> ZarroBoogs?
[20:39] <LjL> !nickspam > Pici    (Pici, see the private message from Ubotu)
[20:39] <LjL> i've avoided doing this at least three times
[20:39] <LjL> now you get it
[20:39] <Pici> :p
[20:39] <Pici> FINE
[20:39] <Pici> I'll fix irssi's config
[20:39] <LjL> Pici: then type "test me"
[20:40] <Pici> Eh?
[20:40] <LjL> nm
[21:10] <Seveas> !ops | d-lines in #ubuntu, migh t be announcing trouble
[21:10] <ubotu> d-lines in #ubuntu, migh t be announcing trouble: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[21:10] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (d-lines in #ubuntu, migh t be announcing trouble)
[21:10] <ompaul> how so?
[21:11] <Seveas> clearly someone wants problems. I doubt they give up after this minor setback :)
[21:12] <ompaul> ahh
[21:13] <jpatrick> ompaul: he's back
[21:13] <jpatrick>  /whois retarded
[21:13] <artenius> I wanted to test to see if the firmware update helped anything
[21:13] <artenius> it didn't
[21:14] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu+1 (Scientus)
[21:15] <ompaul> jpatrick, ehh rather than me you do that ;-) and tell me 
[21:15] <ompaul> I was too late 
[21:16] <jpatrick> ompaul: exactly the same troll as before, I was too late to ban him..
[21:16] <ompaul> ack
[21:18] <jmesquita> Hi, I cant fix the DCC Exploit
[21:18] <jpatrick> hi jmesquita, how may we help you?
[21:18] <jmesquita> Followed the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[21:18] <jpatrick> jmesquita: please do "test me" in #ubuntu-read-topic
[21:19] <jmesquita> jpatrick: Hummm, did not know I had to be tested after the fix was applied
[21:19] <jpatrick> jmesquita: it's to let the bots make sure
[21:20] <jmesquita> jpatrick: Thank you, that was quite easy afterall
[21:20] <jpatrick> jmesquita: "mode/#ubuntu [-b jmesquita!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic] by FloodBot1"
[21:20] <jpatrick> jmesquita: you may now enter :)
[21:20] <jpatrick> jmesquita: have a nice day
[21:20] <jmesquita> jpatrick: You too
[21:52] <jpatrick> Seveas: a split second later and I would have called ops ;)
[21:57]  * LjL head desks
[21:57]  * jpatrick rubs LjL's sore head
[21:57] <LjL> what about
[21:57] <jpatrick> someone was just spamming
[21:58] <LjL> Your router is buggy. Type « test me » in this channel, but AFTER following these instructions to FIX the problem: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit - But if the automatic test FAILS, then type « /join #ubuntu-ops » and ask to be tested there by the operators
[21:58] <jpatrick> ah, that
[21:58] <LjL> yeah, that. there must be a way to make them understand english
[21:59] <jpatrick> teaching them what to do? :)
[21:59] <LjL> we do?
[21:59] <jpatrick> I just did
[21:59] <LjL> jpatrick, come on, the topic is as clear as a crystal
[22:00] <LjL> if they only read half of it it's because they
[22:00] <LjL> well it's because.
[22:00] <jpatrick> LjL: well it's the "how many actually read the /topic question" there
[22:00] <LjL> so i guess have the "test me" in the first half and let them type it (without having followed any instructions) until the routers blow up
[22:00] <LjL> jpatrick: eeeeeh? no
[22:01] <LjL> jpatrick: when you join that channel, the bot TELLS you to type « /topic » and read it
[22:01] <LjL> and if he knew he had to follow the wiki, then it means he had [partially] read the topic
[22:01] <jpatrick> ah, did not know that
[22:02] <LjL> jpatrick, join -read-topic and tell me how you think it can be made clearer. i'm out of ideas and getting annoyed
[22:02] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Apply a +f to a channel where the bot gives an IQ test.  If they get at least an 85, they go on to the real channel.  If not, they get redirected to a lolcats album.
[22:04] <Seveas> lol
[22:05] <ompaul> cats
[22:05] <Seveas> !lolops
[22:05] <ubotu> Teh lolops r in ur chanelz, wotchin u mizbehav
[22:07] <Pici> The loclats recorded an album?!
[22:08] <ompaul> Pici, it was a web album ;-)
[22:08]  * ompaul thinks this is getting very silly
[22:08]  * tonyyarusso thinks ompaul is silly
[22:08] <ompaul> right now I have the screen shot from hell
[22:09] <tonyyarusso> teh sandman, he iz berryin' me
[22:09] <jpatrick> tonyyarusso: btw, there's some signs of life in #c-sysadmin right now
[22:09] <tonyyarusso> jpatrick: cawazy
[22:09] <jpatrick> tonyyarusso: at least Spads is awake
[22:10] <ompaul> it is nearly paddies day
[22:27] <ompaul> jpatrick, please say "test me" in that channel
[22:27] <jpatrick> ompaul: which?
[22:27] <ompaul> -read
[22:28] <ompaul> cos ehh you are still on the victims list
[22:28] <jpatrick> ompaul: well, I connect to 8001
[22:28] <ompaul> jpatrick, np
[22:28] <ompaul> it was to get you off that list
[22:28] <ompaul> that was all
[22:29] <jpatrick> there :)
[23:02] <nikrud> mneptok: for when you next pass through here: do you have any further info on why apt-get is 'strongly recommended' over aptitude these days
[23:04] <Seeker`> I thought that aptitude has better dependancy resolution or something
[23:05] <Pici> I though that particular fact wasn't true in more recent version of apt-get.
[23:05] <nikrud> autoremove pretty much handles that now
[23:05] <Seveas> Seeker`, it has different dependency resolution
[23:05] <Seveas> sometimes it works out better, but most of the times, it doesn't matter a pair of dingos kidneys
[23:05] <ompaul> nikrud, it does not incorporate as much "potential cruft" it takes less
[23:06] <ompaul> as far as i see
[23:06] <Tm_T> wajig <3
[23:06] <nikrud> I'm just looking for a specific thing I can point at when the subject comes up
[23:06] <Seeker`> wajig?
[23:06] <Tm_T> !wajig
[23:06] <nikrud> eecchhh.
[23:06] <ubotu> wajig is a simple tool for basic debian administration. you can handle apt commands, change alternatives defaults and handle service daemons via simple commands. wajig uses sudo every time. http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Wajig_Overview.html
[23:07] <Seeker`> nikrud: Point at Seveas. And laugh.
[23:07] <nikrud> Seeker`: I do that already. 
[23:07] <Pici> nikrud: ditto
[23:07] <Tm_T> ^^ if I'm not totally wrong, wajig DOESN'T always use sudo
[23:22] <Seveas> mc44, spam spam spammity spam
[23:23]  * mc44 has eggs with his Seveas spam