[01:18] <The-Kernel> I can't seem to find where the dovecot and postfix logs are stored. Where would they normally go? I looked in var/logs/
[01:18] <ScottK2> For postfix it'll be in /var/log
[01:18] <ScottK2> any of the mail* files
[01:21] <The-Kernel> yeah, I see those files, but there's nothing in them
[01:21] <ScottK2> Then postfix isn't logging
[01:21] <ScottK2> Unless you've changed where the logs go.
[01:22] <The-Kernel> Nah, I just installed it via apt-get, and it worked from there on out
[01:22] <The-Kernel> I don't get why it wouldn't log stuff
[01:22] <ScottK2> Normally it does.
[01:23] <lamont`> if you restart syslog, postfix stops logging.
[01:23] <lamont`> until you restart postfix
[01:23] <ScottK2> The-Kernel: Who does ls -l /var/log/mail* tell you owns the files? (plus what lamont said)
[01:23] <symptom> is there a live cd for ubuntu-server?
[01:24]  * lamont goes to town with family, back later
[01:24] <The-Kernel> ok
[01:25] <The-Kernel> root
[01:25] <The-Kernel> root owns them
[01:25] <The-Kernel> that must be why
[01:25] <ScottK2> They should be user syslog and group adm
[01:26] <The-Kernel> ok
[01:26] <The-Kernel> will change
[01:27] <ScottK2> The-Kernel: You aren't using webmin are you?
[01:27] <The-Kernel> what's that?
[01:27] <ScottK2> Something you don't want to use.  You'd know
[01:27] <ScottK2> !webmin
[01:27] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.
[01:28] <ScottK2> It's a web based admin gui that tends to make people cry eventually.
[01:28] <The-Kernel> I see
[01:28] <The-Kernel> !ebox
[01:28] <ubotu> ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See the plans for Hardy at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EboxSpec
[01:31] <The-Kernel> huh
[01:31] <The-Kernel> still nto logging
[01:31] <The-Kernel> maybe postfix has turned logging off?
[01:31] <The-Kernel> the mail.info.0 has stuff in it
[01:31] <The-Kernel> it stopped on dec 17th
[01:41] <The-Kernel> eh, well ebox doesn't seem to work for me.
[01:41] <ScottK2> I'd suggest restarting syslog and postfix
[01:42] <ScottK2> Ebox is still a work in progress.
[01:42] <The-Kernel> I did
[01:42] <ScottK2> Odd
[01:43] <ScottK2> Check the permissions again?
[01:43] <The-Kernel> in dec's logs it has data, just not in jans, febs, or marchs
[01:43] <ScottK2> It sounds like something is up with your syslog.
[01:43] <ScottK2> logrotate should have made dec's data go away a long time ago.
[01:44] <The-Kernel> I see.
[01:46] <The-Kernel> I don't have a syslog, just a sysklogd
[01:46] <The-Kernel> same thing?
[01:46] <faulkes-> no
[01:48] <The-Kernel> I need to restart the system
[02:00] <The-Kernel> there's nothing in any of the logs....
[02:11] <mohamed_> hi, can anyone recommend a light desktop to install on ubuntu-server ?
[02:12] <sommer> !servergui
[02:12] <ubotu> Ubuntu server does not install a desktop environment or X11 by default in order to enhance security, efficiency and performance.  !eBox provides a GUI system management option via a web interface.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI for more background and options.
[02:12] <sommer> mohamed_: I like openbox myself, but fluxbox is also good
[02:12] <mohamed_> thx, sommer ,
[02:13] <sommer> mohamed_: np
[03:25] <RB2> Evening everyone.
[03:30] <ylon> installing ubuntu gutsy on xenserver and it is hanging at the install onset, anyone have any experience installing unbutu with xen in the domU?
[04:02] <ylon> anyone?
[04:03] <RB2> ylon, sry not I
[04:05] <ylon> :) thanks
[06:25] <gregbrady> Using squid, does the server cache webpages automatically?
[06:43] <gregbrady> With the default settings?
[06:52] <smehmood> if you haven't already, gregbrady, i'd recommend asking in #ubuntu, its more lively at this hour
[06:54] <gregbrady> smehmood, thanks, I'll give that a shot
[07:21] <nijaba> morning
[10:33] <BaD_CrC> before i download the 400+mb iso of ubuntu server, does it have a way to configure restricted drivers for wireless cards during install?
[13:21] <atomic__> hello, can anyone reccomend me a good image restoring solution, i have a preinstalled and configured 7.10 client that i want to make a image of, and deploy to a lot of other client machines, i've used SystemImager to no avail, and since the machines have no optical drives, a netboot install (pxe,tftp) would be the best option for the job
[13:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> mondo might netinstall, but i dont remember. otherwise i'm not sure
[13:22] <atomic__> thnx, ill check it out now
[13:25] <blue-frog> atomic__: systemrescuecd, clonezilla, oscar,
[13:26] <atomic__> thank you, i really need to work this one out :)
[13:35] <zul> clonezilla
[13:40] <atomic__> yeah, clonezilla looks like the best candidate
[13:54] <kris_ph> atomic__ mmm have using it/
[13:54] <kris_ph> clonezilla?
[13:55] <atomic__> im setting up the drbl server right now
[13:55] <atomic__> try and prepare everything
[13:56] <atomic__> and later ill have to drive to work to actually netboot the machines and get it going :)
[13:56] <atomic__> hopefully everything will be ok
[13:56] <atomic__> systemimager exploded on me yesterday, spent 2 hours tracing variables in a perl script
[14:05] <kraut> moin
[14:15] <atomic__> whoa, looks like it uses a lot of other stuff too, ill have to stop that dhcp server afterwards
[17:18] <The-Kernel> Hi, I have telnet installed on my server, which seems to be unresponsive to everything except ping.
[17:19] <The-Kernel> Can I use port 443 with telnet to log into my server?
[17:21] <ivoks> telnet client or telnet server?
[17:22] <The-Kernel> client
[17:22] <The-Kernel> I'm trying to get into the server
[17:22] <The-Kernel> but something has happened to it
[17:22] <ivoks> you have telnet client on server?
[17:23] <The-Kernel> ivoks I have both a client and a server on the server
[17:23] <The-Kernel> I want to use a client to telnet to the server
[17:23] <The-Kernel> I need to figure out how to get into the server
[17:23] <The-Kernel> everything is rejecting me
[17:23] <The-Kernel> I'm able to ping it though
[17:24] <The-Kernel> this is what i get with ssh ssh: connect to host 216.139.15.128 port 22: Connection timed out
[17:24] <ivoks> it probably crashed
[17:24] <The-Kernel> yeah
[17:24] <The-Kernel> its 30 miles away
[17:24] <The-Kernel> can't get to it from here
[17:26] <ivoks> bad luck :)
[17:28] <The-Kernel> I hate ebox
[17:28] <The-Kernel> it doesn't work
[17:29] <The-Kernel> there is no way to trigger a restart or anything?
[17:29] <The-Kernel> dang....
[17:29] <The-Kernel> I get my web site if I telnet crowenix.net 443
[17:29] <ivoks> well, no, if you don't have ilo or something like that
[17:29] <Nafallo> drac? :-)
[17:29] <The-Kernel> ilo?!
[17:29] <ivoks> ipmi :)
[17:30] <The-Kernel> !ilo
[17:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ilo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:30] <The-Kernel> !drac
[17:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drac - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:30] <Nafallo> !ipmi
[17:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipmi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:30] <ivoks> integrated lights out
[17:30] <The-Kernel> !ipmi
[17:30] <ivoks> drac is dell's version of ilo
[17:30] <The-Kernel> huh?
[17:30] <The-Kernel> how does it work?
[17:30] <ivoks> and ipmi is intel specification; often used by supermicro
[17:31] <ivoks> The-Kernel: ilo enables you remote access as if you are in front of the computer
[17:31] <ivoks> you can control power of your machine
[17:31] <ivoks> you can turn it off, or on
[17:31] <The-Kernel> yeah, but that doesn't help right now
[17:31] <ivoks> it has it's own ip
[17:32] <The-Kernel> my server, yes
[17:34] <ivoks> i was talking about ilo :)
[17:35] <The-Kernel> I guessed that
[17:37] <ivoks> do you have access to remove control of power supply?
[17:38] <The-Kernel> what?
[17:38] <The-Kernel> not now
[17:38] <ivoks> s/remove/remote
[17:38] <The-Kernel> There's no one at that office so...
[17:38] <The-Kernel> oh, no
[17:39] <ivoks> so, no ports are open except https?
[17:39] <The-Kernel> um...
[17:39] <The-Kernel> haha
[17:39] <The-Kernel> I can still check mail on the server
[17:41] <The-Kernel> actually
[17:41] <The-Kernel> ftp is
[17:42] <The-Kernel> can I use that in some way?!
[17:45]  * Nafallo wonder what The-Kernel is really trying to do :-)
[17:45] <The-Kernel> I figured it out
[17:45] <The-Kernel> One of the guys who have access to root on the server, installed ebox
[17:47] <The-Kernel> I was talking about it last night
[17:47] <The-Kernel> with him, and he went ahead and installed it without asking me
[17:47] <The-Kernel> can I log in using https?
[18:22] <zul> to ebox it uses https if its running
[18:52] <sommer> anyone know why I'm "unable to write random state" unless using sudo for this command:  openssl x509 -req -days 365 -in smtpd.csr -signkey smtpd.key -out smtpd.crt
[21:14] <tzn> sommer: please take a look at http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#USER1
[21:17] <tzn> but you can safely ignore that message I think
[21:18] <sommer> tzn: ah I see, thanks
[22:27] <owh> sommer: Ping
[22:32] <sommer> owh: icmp reply
[22:32] <owh> That's almost as quick as TCP over pidgin :)
[22:32] <owh> How did the cron test go for you?
[22:33]  * sommer checking
[22:34] <sommer> what am I looking for exactly?
[22:34] <sommer> there are two entries in the /var/log/date.log fiel
[22:34] <sommer> file even
[22:34] <owh> What times?
[22:35] <leonel> hello  I've just saw on  keescook blog that   selinux is available for hardy .. is there already politics builded for  postfix openssh apache and friends ?
[22:35] <owh> sommer: Something like 6:25 am?
[22:36] <sommer> owh: 6:26 on the 15th and 6:41 on the 16th... on the hardy test
[22:37] <owh> sommer: Is that server doing anything real, as in, is it busy?
[22:37] <sommer> owh: nope... it's a test machine
[22:37] <owh> sommer: What do the syslog* say about daily, zgrep daily /var/log/syslog*
[22:38] <sommer> owh: no errors
[22:38] <owh> sommer: Are the jobs being run by cron or by anacron?
[22:39] <sommer> owh: anacron
[22:39] <owh> sommer: Are you seeing: /USR/SBIN/CRON[7417]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ))
[22:39] <owh> Or something else?
[22:40] <sommer> yep that's what I'm seeing
[22:40] <owh> sommer: There are only two hits, or are there also anacron entries on separate lines?
[22:42] <sommer> owh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59868/
[22:43] <owh> sommer: Thanks. Does /usr/sbin/anacron exist?
[22:43] <owh> I'm guessing that you're using cron.
[22:44] <sommer> oh, sure cron yep
[22:44] <owh> This is getting stranger and stranger.
[22:44] <owh> That machine hasn't been rebooted since you added the test script?
[22:44] <sommer> nope... was it supposed to be?
[22:44] <owh> No
[22:45] <owh> Is there a way to determine if cron was reloaded/restarted *at all* since the last time the machine rebooted?
[22:45] <faulkes-> syslog?
[22:46] <faulkes-> it should report a restart in there
[22:46] <owh> faulkes-: Would that show a cron restart / reload?
[22:46] <faulkes-> for an invidual crontab or for crond as a whole?
[22:46] <sommer> owh: nothing in daemon.log or syslog that I can see
[22:46] <owh> faulkes-: crond as a whole.
[22:47] <owh> sommer: That server was a boring, boot from cd installation?
[22:47] <sommer> owh: yeppers
[22:47] <owh> crap
[22:47] <owh> So, you and I are running the same thing and seeing different behaviour.
[22:47] <owh> Lovely :)
[22:47] <sommer> I could do an exciting network install if you want?
[22:48] <faulkes-> cat /var/log/syslog | grep -i anacron
[22:48] <owh> faulkes-: Just so you know what we're trying to figure out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnnoBenschop/ubuntu-server/cron-bug
[22:48] <owh> sommer: Don't think it would do anything for us.
[22:48]  * faulkes- nods
[22:48] <faulkes-> k
[22:48] <owh> sommer: That was a full cd install, not a business card cd right?
[22:49] <owh> sommer: alpha-6?
[22:49] <sommer> it was a daily build from feb 26... only one I had on hand after the libc thing
[22:50] <owh> So slightly different versions perhaps.
[22:51]  * owh cannot recall when alpha-6 was released/
[22:51] <sommer> I can update and check again tomorrow... actually need to update anyway
[22:52] <owh> To me it looks like once it's detected a change, from then on it works, but I have no data to back that up.
[22:52] <owh> It's like a missing flag/file of some sort almost.
[22:53] <owh> sommer: I don't know if an update will actually change the outcome.
[22:53] <soren> What exactly does "#
[22:53] <soren> What exactly does "Added date script cron job without reloading cron
[22:53] <sommer> well either way... we'll find out
[22:53] <timboy> anyone using roundcube?
[22:53] <soren> mean?
[22:53] <soren> timboy: yes
[22:54] <owh> soren: On that wiki page?
[22:54] <timboy> soren, you using postfix?
[22:56] <owh> soren: If you mean on the wiki page I showed faulkes-, then, the script at the top, the two liner, date >> /var/log/date.log was created in the /etc/cron.daily directory. It was called date and chmodded +x to enable it. It was then run to test it and left alone. cron was not started/reloaded/restarted. The server was not rebooted.
[22:56] <owh> soren: Is that what you're asking?
[22:57] <owh> sommer: Yes. That update, will you do it as an install from scratch, or an upgrade?
[22:57] <soren> owh: The one you posted alink to.
[22:57] <sommer> owh: upgrade
[22:57] <soren> timboy: Yes.
[22:58] <owh> soren: See above.
[22:58] <soren> owh: Right.
[22:58] <soren> owh: Well, if you're putting stuff in cron.daily, cron doesn't even need a reload.
[22:59] <owh> So what I'm saying is that in some circumstances adding a cron job as a script to cron.daily does not cause it to run automatically. What we're trying to figure out is what causes it not to run. Sometimes it works as expected, sometimes it doesn't appear to.
[23:00] <owh> soren: And because it's a pretty big claim to say that cron is broken, I'd rather not start making such statements until I know what's going on :)
[23:01] <timboy> soren, how do I tell if I'm set up properly. I try the test in the setup for roundcube and it fails... I am running dovecot
[23:01] <owh> I suppose I could just ignore the problem and make it a SOP to reload cron when adding a script.
[23:03] <soren> owh: have you tried run-parts --list?
[23:03] <owh> sommer: Thanks for your help. If you can think of anything else, please feel free.
[23:03] <owh> soren: Yes, it reports all scripts as expected.
[23:03] <sommer> owh: sure np
[23:04] <owh> I've got some Ubuntu-CD's going back to dapper, I think I'll do some CD installs and subject them to the same test and see what gives.
[23:04] <owh> In fact, perhaps the LiveCD exhibits the same problem.
[23:04] <owh> That will simplify things :)
[23:04] <owh> brb
[23:04] <soren> timboy: What is "the test"? I set it up ages ago and just works.
[23:06] <timboy> soren, lol on the install after you set up the database it has you try to log in to see if your setup is working and it fails. how do i create a user to see if it will work? my system user doesn't...
[23:07] <soren> timboy: roundcube doesn't have it's own user database. It just tries to authenticate against your imap server.
[23:07] <soren> s/it's/its/
[23:08] <timboy> ok i'll dig deeper thx...
[23:26] <owh> http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2007/11/11/the_nerd_handbook.html