[00:00] <TimothyP> don't know, don't know the package name, just noticed it while installing 8.04 , and tought waaw this is great, exactly what a lot of people might need.
[00:00] <TimothyP> and now it's gone :p
[00:00] <maccam94> jimmygoon: system -> preferences -> appearance -> visual effects -> none?
[00:00] <alex_mayorga> savvas: thanks let me try the reboot
[00:00] <maccam94> TimothyP: i had it yesterday
[00:00] <TimothyP> It's a good way to manage services on other hosts :) or at least to get to them
[00:00] <ethana2> TimothyP: package name?  Why?
[00:01] <maccam94> i'll check again tho
[00:01] <ethana2> TimothyP: not using a GUI?
[00:01] <ethana2> i'll search it in add/remove
[00:01] <TimothyP> ethana2 yes, but it's gone from the UI, and I don't know what it was called (except for the menu list)
[00:01] <TimothyP> I'll have a look as well
[00:01] <ethana2> ohhhh
[00:02] <TimothyP> it's not that it's a hard app to write yourself, but still, would be nice if it was included
[00:02] <maccam94> TimothyP: so you're saying in Places -> network, you don't see ssh servers?
[00:02] <ethana2> it's there
[00:02] <TimothyP> Avahi Zeroconf browser?
[00:02] <ethana2>  Avahi Zeroconf Browser
[00:02] <ethana2> Service discover user interface for avahi
[00:02] <savvas> omg, they fixed places > network!!!
[00:02] <savvas> just noticed it :P
[00:02] <ethana2> savvas: they did that a while ago
[00:02] <ethana2> oh, heh
[00:03] <TimothyP> I installed hardy to get my dvb working, but still not working, oh well
[00:03] <ethana2> gahh, doesn't do fonts:///
[00:04] <TimothyP> hmm ethana2 that's not the tool I meant
[00:04] <TimothyP> doh :(
[00:04] <ethana2> oh
[00:04] <TimothyP> the tool I had upon default install was really good, under the category Internet
[00:04] <TimothyP> and then you got a list of SSH services, and you could connect to them right away
[00:05] <TimothyP> the only problem was that you could not specify your own credentials
[00:05] <TimothyP> anyway I'm off to bed, I'll check it out tommorow, thank you for your time
[00:05] <DanaG> TimothyP: try vinagre
[00:07] <jimmygoon> maccam94, right, it looses affect after rebooting
[00:09] <maccam94> DanaG: vinagre is VNC afaik
[00:09] <maccam94> jimmygoon: weird
[00:09] <alex_mayorga> savvas: no luck back at a command promt
[00:09] <ionstorm> its been awhile since updates for hardy
[00:10] <alex_mayorga> how do I go back to vesa or have ubuntu redetect the whole thing?
[00:10] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:10] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, sudo of course
[00:10] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[00:10] <savvas> dpkg, not dpk :P
[00:11] <DanaG> wtf?  my taskbar is showing stuff from all 4 sides of my cube.
[00:11] <DanaG> I have it set to show only 1 side.
[00:11] <alex_mayorga> it never asked me what video driver to use :(
[00:11] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: which nvidia card do you have?
[00:12] <savvas> geforce 440 go
[00:12] <savvas> maccam94: i tried to help him didn't work installing nvidia-glx
[00:12] <savvas> alex_mayorga: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:13] <maccam94> he needs the legacy driver
[00:13] <maccam94> nono
[00:13] <ethana2> I wish I didn't have to have userful installed
[00:13] <savvas> scroll down until you find Driver "nvidia" or Driver "vesa"
[00:13] <savvas> uh..
[00:13] <jimmygoon> wth where is nautilus soring trash now????
[00:13] <maccam94> savvas: no
[00:13] <savvas> maccam94: no he doesn't
[00:13] <ethana2> I don't even know where it /keeps/ my xorg configuration file
[00:13] <alex_mayorga> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/146706
[00:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy alpha 6] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged]
[00:13] <savvas> maccam94: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[00:13] <savvas> GeForce4 440 Go 0x0174
[00:14] <maccam94> yup
[00:14] <maccam94> legacy
[00:14] <savvas> ..
[00:14] <maccam94> Below are the legacy GPUs that are no longer supported in the unified driver. These GPUs will continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases. The 1.0-96xx driver supports the following set of GPUs:
[00:14] <savvas> 1.0-96xx driver ?
[00:14] <savvas> $ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
[00:14] <savvas> nvidia-glx: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:96.43.05+2.6.24.11-12.31
[00:15] <savvas> $ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-legacy
[00:15] <savvas> nvidia-glx-legacy: Installed: (none) Candidate: 71.86.04+2.6.24.11-12.31
[00:15] <savvas> ok? :P
[00:15] <maccam94> bah, ubuntu has a different naming scheme
[00:15]  * maccam94 forgot
[00:15] <savvas> the legacy is the 1.0-71xx driver
[00:16] <savvas> alex_mayorga: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:16] <alex_mayorga> savvas: the xserver.conf doesn-t even have a Driver line, what gives?
[00:16] <savvas> alex_mayorga: ok give me a sec
[00:16] <TimothyP> maccam94 no I'm saying they removed 2 tools from the menu Applications/Internet, called Avahi SSH Server Browser and Avahi VNC Server Brower, two great tools .... nowhere to be found after the update :) anyway really got to go now
[00:16] <maccam94> ah
[00:16] <maccam94> gotcha
[00:16] <savvas> alex_mayorga: sudo wget http://pastebin.ca/raw/945227 -O /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:16] <jimmygoon> seriously. :( Where did   ~/.trash go?
[00:17] <savvas> alex_mayorga: be SURE you copy the number well
[00:17] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: no, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:17] <maccam94> not xserver.conf
[00:17] <savvas> we confused the poort guy
[00:17] <savvas> :p
[00:17] <savvas> *poor
[00:18] <EruditeHermit> hey, can anyone help me with getting compiz to work with the radeon driver. Ubuntu blacklists it for some reason but I know it works
[00:18] <savvas> alex_mayorga: also, use capital "o" for -O, i mean copy it EXACTLY as you see it :)
[00:20] <alex_mayorga> savvas, let me give that a try
[00:21] <savvas> alex_mayorga: after it's done, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[00:21] <jimmygoon> Well I found the biggest hardy bug yet... I can't customize my screensaver options!
[00:21]  * jimmygoon ducks
[00:21] <alex_mayorga> hope that paste wouldn-t have an ugly payload, kidding
[00:22] <savvas> alex_mayorga: just be sure you typed it well
[00:22] <savvas> every dot is important :p
[00:23] <savvas> well nap time, i'm out
[00:23] <savvas> later guys
[00:23] <savvas> and girls
[00:23] <savvas> :)
[00:23] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: once you do that let me know how you turn out
[00:28] <alex_mayorga> maccam94: well I guess I'm back where I started, a rainbow of flashing colors on my screen
[00:28] <maccam94> oooh pretty
[00:29] <alex_mayorga> makes me a bit dizzy after a while, but is pretty
[00:29] <alex_mayorga> is the power of ubuntu unleashed I guess :)
[00:29] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: ok, get back to the command line, and "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[00:30] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: then run "sudo dexconf"
[00:30] <alex_mayorga> done
[00:31] <alex_mayorga> savvas: thanks anyway
[00:31] <maccam94> now "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[00:32] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: once it's open, hit ctrl + w and search for nvidia
[00:32] <alex_mayorga> not found
[00:33] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: ctrl + w
[00:33] <maccam94> Section "Device"
[00:33] <maccam94> exactly that, including quotes
[00:34] <maccam94> and look about two lines down, to the driver line
[00:34] <alex_mayorga> maccam94: there's the oddity, theres no Driver line
[00:35] <jimmygoon> I don't have a driver line either...
[00:35] <maccam94> ok
[00:35] <alex_mayorga> only Identifier    "Configured Video Device"
[00:35] <alex_mayorga> that's it
[00:35] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: for kicks, close the xorg.conf
[00:35] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: sudo rmmod nvidia
[00:35] <alex_mayorga> let me revert to a week old copy and see if I get video back
[00:35] <maccam94> sudo modprobe nvidia
[00:35] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: h/o
[00:35] <maccam94> er hold on
[00:36] <alex_mayorga> OK
[00:36] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: xorg.7.3 is special
[00:36] <alex_mayorga> I'll do as you tell me
[00:36] <maccam94> it can supposedly run purely on autodetection
[00:36] <maccam94> so
[00:36] <maccam94> close the xorg.conf
[00:36] <maccam94> sudo rmmod nvidia
[00:36] <maccam94> ohhhhhhh
[00:36] <maccam94> wait
[00:36] <maccam94> i got it
[00:36] <alex_mayorga> ??
[00:36] <maccam94> i think i do anyway
[00:37] <maccam94> the nvidia driver won't modprobe if it's not in xorg.conf
[00:37] <alex_mayorga> OK, first thing first, should I reinstall legacy here?
[00:37] <maccam94> no
[00:37] <maccam94> you've got nvidia-glx installed already, correct?
[00:38] <maccam94> not nvidia-glx-legacy
[00:38] <alex_mayorga> wait the pizza guy is here
[00:39] <maccam94> ok
[00:39] <maccam94> alex_mayorga: for when you get back
[00:39] <maccam94> sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:39] <maccam94> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[00:40] <maccam94> then try restarting gdm
[00:40] <maccam94> i g2g now too
[00:40] <maccam94> sorry
[00:41] <Black_Magic> Can No one Help me get internet Working in Ubuntu? Ive resorted to reinstalling windows and using it and ive grown to HATE Windows...so can someone help Card is Atheros AR5006EG
[00:41] <Black_Magic> Can No one Help me get internet Working in Ubuntu? Ive resorted to reinstalling windows and using it and ive grown to HATE Windows...so can someone help Card is Atheros AR5006EG
[00:41] <wastrel> hi
[00:42] <Black_Magic> Hi
[00:43] <Balaams_Miracle> Black_Magic: From one BM to another; have you tried the howto at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202834 ?
[00:44] <Black_Magic> :P
[00:44] <Black_Magic> Well it says i am connected
[00:44] <Black_Magic> But i cannot Browser or Ping any IP
[00:44] <Black_Magic> Operation not Permitted even if i do with root privs
[00:45] <Ienorand> Anybody know anything more about wired network refusing to connect? I tried the "alias net-pf-10 off" -fix that was suggested here, but that didn't work...
[00:47] <Black_Magic> Balaams_Miracle: I dont use WPA
[00:47] <Balaams_Miracle> It's at times like this that i would wish i knew anything about wireless. But alas, i've no experience with it.
[00:47] <nemo> Black_Magic: ... erm. you're not using that windows driver wrapper are you?
[00:47] <Balaams_Miracle> Black_Magic: What kind of security do you use then?
[00:48] <Black_Magic> No im not
[00:48] <Black_Magic> WEP
[00:48] <Black_Magic> Madwifi
[00:49] <Black_Magic> it says its connected but i cannot browse ping any ip or use any Internet Dependant Application
[00:49] <nemo> Black_Magic: you on a network with mac filtering perhaps?
[00:49] <Black_Magic> No
[00:49] <Black_Magic> if i switch to Windows
[00:49] <Black_Magic> Or Backtrack
[00:49] <Black_Magic> i can connect to the same exact AP
[00:49] <Black_Magic> in the same exact spot
[00:50] <Black_Magic> and acctually browse ping and use interner programs
[00:50] <Black_Magic> or even a Ubuntu Live CD
[00:51] <nemo> ... ubuntu live CD works??
[00:52] <Black_Magic> Yea..
[00:52] <Black_Magic> By Default i just need to select an AP
[00:52] <Black_Magic> this has only been happning for 2months
[00:52] <jimmygoon> sudo iwconfig <interface> essid "YOUR_WIRELESS_NETWORK_NAME"
[00:52] <Black_Magic> it originally worked till some weird thing
[00:52] <Black_Magic> i tried that
[00:52] <Black_Magic> same thing either that or it wont even connect
[00:52] <Black_Magic> i have my dmesg right here
[00:53] <Balaams_Miracle> Black_Magic: Are you on 32 or 64bit architecture?
[00:53] <Black_Magic> 32
[00:54] <Balaams_Miracle> Good, have you seen this topic yet? : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=723435
[00:54] <Black_Magic> mines Atheros 5006EG
[00:55] <Balaams_Miracle> Black_Magic: And in what way are they different? Apart from that one digit of course.
[00:55] <Black_Magic> 5007EG is a newer card
[00:56] <Black_Magic> and lesser supported
[00:56] <Balaams_Miracle> Did you read the madwifi bit in that topic?
[00:57] <Black_Magic> Yea
[00:57] <Black_Magic> i dont have that card and my card was working earlier in my Ubuntu Installs life
[00:57] <Black_Magic> if you visit madwifi sites
[00:57] <Black_Magic> Atheros AR5006EG is in the supported list
[00:58] <Black_Magic> Here is my Dmesg its verry interneting at the bottom..
[00:58] <Black_Magic> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59880/
[00:58] <Black_Magic> Thats when im supposably Connected to an AP
[00:59] <Black_Magic> And windows reconizes it as 5006EG too
[01:00]  * DanaG wonders why ATHeros is called MADwifi.
[01:00] <DanaG> It's not MADtheros.
[01:00] <DanaG> And it's not ATHwifi.
[01:00] <DanaG> Either way, it makes no sense.
[01:00] <Balaams_Miracle> "ath0: no IPv6 routers present" Maybe disable ipv6 and try again?
[01:00] <DanaG> the module isn't called mad-anything, either; it's ath_hal.
[01:01] <Black_Magic> nice i remeber that..
[01:01] <Black_Magic> i did disable it with
[01:01] <Black_Magic> about:config
[01:01] <Black_Magic> and then found the inet.ip6 thing
[01:01] <Black_Magic> and disabled
[01:02] <Balaams_Miracle> Okay, so you've disableds it in FF, but not system-wide.
[01:02] <Black_Magic> :/...
[01:03] <Black_Magic> Commands so i can write them down in a notepad then reboot to Ubuntu
[01:04] <Balaams_Miracle> Here's the topic on how to disable ipv6 system-wide (oh, the forum is such a great, non-volatile resource of info!) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87798
[01:04] <Black_Magic> i know that much ive been working on this for a couple months..
[01:04] <Black_Magic> here was what i meant for you to see
[01:05] <Black_Magic> [  601.271691] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): ath0: link becomes ready
[01:05] <Black_Magic> #[  611.457966] ath0: no IPv6 routers present
[01:05] <Black_Magic> [  715.618341] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): ath0: link is not ready
[01:05] <Balaams_Miracle> "ath0: no IPv6 routers present" Maybe disable ipv6 and try again?
[01:05] <Black_Magic> the # is not to look at like your a terminal :P
[01:06] <Black_Magic> i know that part
[01:06] <Black_Magic> i meant the ath0 link not ready
[01:06] <Black_Magic> ath0 link becomes ready
[01:06] <Black_Magic> i was wondering if that eant card was halfway on or disabled..?
[01:07] <Balaams_Miracle> Black_Magic: You wanted commands to write down so that you can disable ipv6 system-wide. I gave you the topic where you can find those commands.
[01:07] <tgm4883> in gnome in 8.04, where do you set the default player to open when an ipod is connected?  It seems to have changed places since 7.10
[01:07] <danage> my wifi doesn't work anymore since the -12 distro upgrade. anybody have ideas?
[01:07] <danage> i have a wpa network. it gets associated, but i don't get an ip. i suspect wpa-supplicant and the new wireless settings editor
[01:08] <Black_Magic> i see that i have it
[01:08] <Lunks> MP3 playback is not going well, how to solve it? =P
[01:08] <Balaams_Miracle> Black_Magic: Also, what happens in those dmesg lines is analogue to "hey, someone's knocking at my door", "I don't recognize the guy, so i won't open the door".
[01:09] <Black_Magic> oh i see
[01:09] <Black_Magic> Like when i watch my router connecting packets in wireshark i see
[01:09] <Black_Magic> Who is <Insert Client IP Here> Tell <insert Ip Here>
[01:10] <Lunks> It's choppy
[01:10] <Balaams_Miracle> I've never used Wireshark, but i guess that might be similar
[01:11] <Black_Magic> Its a Local Packet Sniffer
[01:11] <Black_Magic> Ever heard of Ethereal?
[01:11] <Black_Magic> its interesting to watch the packets that appear when trying to connect
[01:11] <Pici> Wireshark is Ethereal.
[01:11] <Balaams_Miracle> Lunks: I get the same thing with portaudio enabled.
[01:11] <Balaams_Miracle> Black_Magic: I know what WS is, i've just never used it
[01:11] <Black_Magic> Oh i also noticed when i cannot connect the Wicd or Network-Manager for wicd it doesnt have the lights on the computers comming on and off
[01:11] <Balaams_Miracle> :-)
[01:12] <Black_Magic> if they do i can browse and things
[01:12] <Lunks> Balaams_Miracle: what's portaudio? =P
[01:12] <Black_Magic> with network manager
[01:12] <Lunks> Let me extend my problem
[01:12] <Black_Magic> it just stays still...
[01:12] <Lunks> It's only when I do something on the computer.
[01:12] <Lunks> Like, maximize firefox.
[01:12] <Balaams_Miracle> Lunks: ... or pulseaudio... i keep forgetting (the names are so similar)
[01:13] <Lunks> Balaams_Miracle: how to disable it? =P
[01:15] <Black_Magic> whats pulse audio..
[01:16] <Balaams_Miracle> Lunks: In System => Preferences => Sound (i'm using the Dutch language pack, so it could be sound preferences, or audio preferences, something like that). Anyway, there you should be able to change your sound server.
[01:17] <Balaams_Miracle> Black_Magic: Pulseaudio is the default sound server in Hardy Heron
[01:17] <Lunks> ok
[01:17] <cwillu> pulse
[01:17] <Lunks> I chose ALSA instead
[01:17] <cwillu> why?
[01:17] <Black_Magic> oh
[01:17] <Lunks> same way
[01:17] <cwillu> (and you're using alsa still)
[01:17] <Black_Magic> i didnt notice because after Upgrading i still had sound..
[01:17] <Black_Magic> just had to change PCM to Digital
[01:18] <Black_Magic> what is PCM Anyways?
[01:18] <Balaams_Miracle> Pulse Code Modulation
[01:18] <Lunks> Got choppy MP3 when maximizing firefox, for example.
[01:19] <cwillu> not running a weird kernel or messed with the nice levels of the pulseaudio processes did you?
[01:19] <cwillu> if not, report a bug
[01:19] <Black_Magic> and PCM Does...
[01:19] <Balaams_Miracle> Sorry guys, got to go. I mean now. Sorry for cutting this short, but i am urgently needed elsewhere.
[01:19] <LeerokTheLacerta> PCM is Wav audio, basically.
[01:19] <LeerokTheLacerta> Raw and uncompressed.
[01:19] <cwillu> Black_Magic, iirc, it's the dac on the card
[01:20] <Lunks> got choppy, still
[01:20] <Black_Magic> :/
[01:20] <LeerokTheLacerta> Your sound card handles PCM audio.
[01:20] <Black_Magic> i get no sound when PCM is Selected
[01:20] <Black_Magic> I have a Digital card so i only get sound when Digital is Selected
[01:20] <LeerokTheLacerta> Your MP3's need to be decoded to PCM before they can be played.
[01:21] <Black_Magic> also it seems like i have an OSS and Alsa Card
[01:21] <LeerokTheLacerta> Hmm?
[01:21] <LeerokTheLacerta> What card is it?
[01:21] <cwillu> alsa and oss are the kernel drivers; pulse/esd is what lets you play more than one sound at a time
[01:22] <DanaG> Actually, you can already do that with dmix.
[01:22] <RAOF> DanaG: Yup, another sound server :)
[01:22] <DanaG> PulseAudio really shines at stuff with networked audio devices, and multiple audio devices.
[01:22] <DanaG> You can do all sorts of nifty stuff with it.
[01:22] <cwillu> and handling apps that don't handle their own sound very well
[01:23] <DanaG> However, the "restore streams to card on hotplug (in, not out)" feature doesn't work for my Audigy2.
[01:23] <cwillu> (i.e., you can set the volume independantly for each app that uses it)
[01:24] <Black_Magic> Err...
[01:25] <Black_Magic> *scratches head*
[01:25] <Black_Magic> wish linux commands worked on windows :/
[01:25] <DanaG> ... except for pidgin, because the streams disappear too quick.y
[01:25] <DanaG> quickly.
[01:25] <cwillu> :p
[01:25] <DanaG> Hmm: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=715530&page=7
[01:25] <DanaG> I posted a few of my themes there.
[01:28] <Black_Magic> lol i guess Loging in as Root Doesnt work in Hardy :/
[01:28] <Black_Magic> well it does but all it shows is a background..
[01:29]  * Black_Magic Says sorry for all the questions and chattings but everysince Ubuntu  ive been
[01:29]  * Black_Magic Hooked on Linux
[01:40] <jordan_> How is audacity going to be dealt with in Hardy with pulseaudio enabled by default?
[01:45] <niocholas_jones> okay guys, something really weird happened and this is the second time this has happened, all the borders to my windows have suddenly disappeared and I cannot move, minimize any windows, any clue on what's going on here?
[01:45] <crimsun> well, your window manager crashed
[01:45] <niocholas_jones> ah
[01:46] <niocholas_jones> ctrl+alt+backspace is the only way to fix that?
[01:46] <niocholas_jones> this seems to be happening 1-2 times a week :/
[01:46] <crimsun> no, you can start metacity using alt+f2
[01:46] <niocholas_jones> not working
[01:47] <crimsun> are you using normal/advanced effects?
[01:47] <niocholas_jones> advanced
[01:47] <crimsun> choose none
[01:47] <crimsun> (disable compiz)
[01:47] <niocholas_jones> where do I do this?
[01:47] <danage> hey crimsun... can you help me fix my wifi? you seemed to have a fix the other day
[01:48] <Jordan_U> niocholas_jones, System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Desktop Effects
[01:48] <crimsun> danage: for which WiFi chipset?
[01:48] <danage> atheros 5212
[01:48] <crimsun> danage: no.
[01:48] <danage> it is broken since the -12 parial upgrade
[01:48] <niocholas_jones> hrm
[01:48] <danage> do you know what is causing the problem?
[01:49] <niocholas_jones> seemed like that worked crimsun
[01:49] <crimsun> danage: I only know about ssb+b43, which I'm currently debugging.
[01:49] <niocholas_jones> why did this work?
[01:49] <Jordan_U> danage, 'Broken' in what way, have you tried anything other than network-manager?
[01:49] <niocholas_jones> seems like a crazy bug
[01:49] <danage> Jordan_U: kinda. i know it's associated. iwconfig tells me
[01:49] <danage> it doesnt get ip address
[01:49] <danage> dhclient works on eth0 though
[01:49] <Jordan_U> niocholas_jones, Because compiz is still somewhat buggy and without desktop effects enabled you aren't using compiz
[01:49] <danage> SO i am suspecting wpa_supplicant something
[01:50] <niocholas_jones> Jordan_U, interesting
[01:50] <danage> i use wpa2-psk networ
[01:50] <niocholas_jones> so, what is compiz exactly?
[01:50] <danage> niocholas_jones: gives 3d effects to your x.org
[01:51] <crimsun> danage: why would wpa-supplicant be at fault?  dhclient doesn't know about WPA2 at all.  You have to use iwpriv or wpa-supplicant for that.
[01:51] <Jordan_U> niocholas_jones, It's like Vista's aero on steriods :)
[01:51] <niocholas_jones> interesting
[01:51] <niocholas_jones> yea
[01:51] <niocholas_jones> hrm
[01:51] <danage> i know, but i can a) associate and b) dhcp works fine on eth0... thus it should be somewhere inbetween, and that would be encryption, correct?
[01:52] <Jordan_U> niocholas_jones, This is a video of an older version of Compiz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w
[01:52] <niocholas_jones> so...how could I map ctrl+alt+11 to switch to none and control+alt+12 to go to Advanced effects
[01:52] <crimsun> danage: association would require manual iwpriv or use of wpa-supplicant.
[01:52] <niocholas_jones> because I know this will happen again, and I like my advanced effects :)
[01:52] <niocholas_jones> but that quick fix won't bother me once a week
[01:53] <danage> really? i thought wpa always associates with ap, just doesnt transmit if key is incorrect
[01:54] <niocholas_jones> is there a command I could run in order to switch everything to "none effect mode" ?
[01:54] <niocholas_jones> if I could do that, then I could mape ctl+alt+f11 to the script
[01:54] <Jordan_U> niocholas_jones, metacity --replace
[01:54] <niocholas_jones> cool
[01:54] <niocholas_jones> and how would I bring it back to advanced ?
[01:54] <danage> crimsun: look ath this http://www.pastebin.ca/945607
[01:54] <Jordan_U> niocholas_jones, I am guessing "compiz --replace" would do it
[01:55] <niocholas_jones> interesting
[01:55] <danage> is that only for wep?
[01:55] <niocholas_jones> let's give it a shot! :)
[01:55] <danage> crimsun: the same when i do wpakeys
[01:56] <danage> ---> no keys!!!
[01:56] <niocholas_jones> well
[01:56] <niocholas_jones> Jordan_U, that somewhat worked :P
[01:56] <niocholas_jones> it can't find my theme when I do compiz --replace
[01:56] <niocholas_jones> but it goes back into advanced mode
[01:56] <Jordan_U> niocholas_jones, Does it give an error?
[01:56] <niocholas_jones> Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "Outcrop": Failed to find a valid file for theme Outcrop
[01:56] <niocholas_jones> /usr/bin/compiz.real (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12 image format
[01:57] <crimsun> danage: no, it's not only for WEP
[01:57] <crimsun> danage: e.g., my keys appear correctly
[01:58] <niocholas_jones> Jordan_U, any clue ?
[01:59] <Jordan_U> niocholas_jones, No, I don't use compiz ( ATI card :( )
[01:59] <danage> it seems like a bug in network manager
[01:59] <danage> it doesnt store keys
[01:59] <danage> yup, it asks me for key now every time
[01:59] <danage> when i reconnect through network manager
[01:59] <danage> in the network manager editor, it shows no saved keys
[02:00] <niocholas_jones> crazy
[02:00] <danage> i deleted the key in keyring now
[02:00] <danage> and it stays gone
[02:00] <danage> hello?
[02:00] <danage> argh
[02:00] <danage> network manager disconnected me
[02:00] <Jordan_U> danage, We could see what you were saying :)
[02:00] <danage> well, here is the deal: network manager doesnt store keys
[02:00] <danage> ah
[02:01] <Jordan_U> danage, I was just about to respond when you quit :)
[02:02] <RAOF> Man, my laptop's sound sucks.  I get a small, quiet hiss on every keypress :(
[02:02] <crimsun> s/sound/shielding/
[02:04] <RAOF> Right.  Sound hardware design, then. :P
[02:06] <niocholas_jones> hrm
[02:06] <niocholas_jones> I am searching around on forums and I still can't seem to find the answer
[02:08] <DanaG> My laptop has a wonderfully clear line-in.
[02:08] <crimsun> RAOF: it's not specific to sound, however
[02:08] <DanaG> So clear that I can actually pick up the noise of the backlight inverter if I stick a cut-off headphone wire in the mic jack and turn the input volume all the way up (in Windows, of course).
[02:09] <RAOF> crimsun: But it's only ever going to show up in the sound, since that's pretty much the sole analog output this lappy has, right?
[02:09] <alpha-one> I have a problem involving my laptop screen turning on and off (random intervals, but no more than 60 seconds apart) but it only happens AFTER I close the lid and open it again, furthermore, restarting either the computer (and therefore the xserver) does nothing, so far the only solution I have so far is a reinstall... I've checked the forums, but so far no luck
[02:10] <RAOF> And it's not a significant enough flaw to actually corrupt bits, hopefully :)
[02:10] <x-ip> hi ... i did a fresh hardy heron install and dont have /usr/include/linux ... how can i get them ?
[02:10] <RAOF> x-ip: Install the linux-headers package.
[02:10] <RAOF> x-ip: Like always :)
[02:10] <crimsun> RAOF: got a VGA-out?
[02:10] <x-ip> if i didnt see bad ... :S
[02:10] <RAOF> crimsun: I think so.
[02:11] <RAOF> crimsun: Oh, yeah.  It's just I never use it :P
[02:11] <x-ip> linux-headers-2.6.24-12-generic is already the newest version.
[02:11] <RAOF> x-ip: Sorry, I was looking in the wrong place.  You actually want linux-libc-dev
[02:12] <x-ip> ouu thanks ... lets check
[02:12] <RAOF> So the VGA out will be badly shielded, too, and I won't care :)
[02:15] <shirish> hi all,
[02:15] <shirish>  is there a way to install a .deb file with dpkg into a user specified location, say I want to install something in /usr/local/bin
[02:15] <shirish> would it be sudo dpkg -i /usr/local/bin somedeb.deb
[02:16] <Jordan_U> shirish, -x ( I think, check the man page before trying it )
[02:18] <shirish> Jordan_U: if I do -x it will just extract it, it won't install & make them executables or would it?
[02:18] <x-ip> well ... i cant with this problem ... someone could help me with this? http://x-ip.co.nr/log
[02:19] <x-ip> i cant find what i am missing >.<'
[02:20] <RAOF> x-ip: It might be worth telling us what you're trying to do (and posting more context)
[02:21] <x-ip> sure RAOF ... i'm trying to get working a buildout ... i used virtualenv to set up a local python2.4 env
[02:21] <x-ip> then ... i run the bootstrap.py from the buildout with the python2.4 from the virtualenv
[02:22] <bluecake> how to start rdesktop in run level, so that no gnome desktop is executed
[02:22] <RAOF> "buildout"?
[02:22] <bluecake> ?
[02:23] <bluecake> which run level should i place rdesktop line?
[02:23] <x-ip> a buildout its like a 'chroot' plone + zope
[02:23] <x-ip> the problem here is when it try to compile zope2
[02:23] <x-ip> i cant figure out what is gcc saying me >.<'
[02:23] <RAOF> Aaah, right.
[02:24] <RAOF> Well, it kinda looks like a problem in the build scripts.  Maybe.
[02:24] <wastrel> --instdir=dir
[02:24] <wastrel> shirish:
[02:24] <shirish> wastrel: thanx
[02:25] <RAOF> wastrel: Instdir won't actually do what he wants, though :)
[02:25] <RAOF> x-ip: You've got libc6-dev installed?
[02:25] <x-ip> RAOF: the most strange thing its ... i installed yesterday night hardy heron in this machine where i could install and now have the buildout running perfectly .. and in other machine, same hardware, same iso cd, i cant make it work ...
[02:25] <wastrel> ok
[02:25] <maccam94> is anyone using glib 2.16.x able to compile glibmm?
[02:25] <maccam94> sry wrong window
[02:25] <dsprague> anyone know of any problems where 8.04 gnome does not show window borders at all?  i.e. can't resize/move windows.  Config is geforce4 mx 420 with an IBM L200P monitor.  Any ideas?   I'm using the nvidia restricted drivers
[02:25] <x-ip> yes RAOF, i installed it and now have /usr/include/linux
[02:26] <Jordan_U> dsprague, Probably compiz
[02:26] <shirish> RAOF: than you have a better idea?
[02:26] <alpha-one> any ideas on why my laptop screen keeps turning on and off?  completely off, blank black screen, no backlight?
[02:26] <RAOF> x-ip: Oh, no.  _That_ was linux-libc-dev.  I'm talking about libc-dev :)
[02:26] <x-ip> but for example .. in this machine, that i am using now, at /usr/include i have a lot of *.h files, and in the other hardy heron fresh setup, they arent
[02:26] <shirish> !h263
[02:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about h263 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:26] <x-ip> ups ... RAOF ... let me check that
[02:26] <RAOF> shirish: Extract it using dpkg -x, as suggested, then copy files around.
[02:27] <shirish> anybody knows which packages to install h.263 codecs
[02:27] <shirish> !h.263
[02:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about h.263 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:28] <jimmygoon> 263?
[02:28] <jimmygoon> !h264
[02:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about h264 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:28] <jimmygoon> !h.264
[02:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about h.264 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:28] <x-ip> RAOF: this is a difference between the 'working buildout machine' and 'not working buildout machine' ... in 'not working buildout machine' it wasnt installed libc6-dev
[02:28] <x-ip> installing it right now
[02:29] <x-ip> iaaaaajuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!
[02:30] <x-ip> here it goes !! sweeet ^.^''
[02:30] <x-ip> libc6-dev was missed
[02:30] <wastrel> if you have a working hardy system you can apt-cache search h.263
[02:33] <savvas> it's the helix player but...
[02:34] <savvas> the sound won't work in any case, however in realplayer plays well
[02:34] <wastrel> sound doesn't work in vlc for me
[02:35] <savvas> i
[02:35] <savvas> I'm talking about the videos i take with my mobile phone camera :)
[02:37] <x-ip> RAOF: 2008-03-16 23:35:55 INFO Zope Ready to handle requests <-- yahooooo! :,D
[02:37] <x-ip> thanks so much for your help ^.^'
[03:12] <JohnPhys> does anyone in here deal with nvidia packages or the restricted driver manager?
[03:15] <JohnPhys> I found a bug in the gnome font preferences applet, but I'm not sure what source package it comes from.  Does anyone know?
[03:16] <JohnPhys> Is anyone else in here having issues with the font rendering in Gnome Terminal and QT apps not respecting the settings set in the gnome font preferences?
[03:49] <mitch_> anyone have alteritives to the gui wireless app that comes with ubuntu
[03:54] <DanaG> Is there any way to get gnome-power-manager not to try to fade when changing brightness?  It's annoyingly flickery due to having too few brightness levels.
[03:56] <JohnPhys> I know in gutsy we were able to change the "% brightness" setting or something like that in teh power preferences, which helped, but I'm not sure about when changing the brightness manually
[03:59] <Dex-Freudii> which medibuntu repos should I use in Heron?
[04:00] <JohnPhys> Does anyone else have issues with how the fotn in Gnome terminal looks?
[04:01] <jcsteele> JohnPhys: w/ compiz?  what driver?
[04:03] <JohnPhys> doesn't matter if I use nvidia or nv, compiz or no
[04:04] <JohnPhys> basically, gnome terminal and qt apps don't follow the subpixel hinting guidelines in the "Fonts" tab in the "Appearances" app
[04:04] <JohnPhys> the program is not modifying ~/.fonts.conf correctly
[04:04] <JohnPhys> I can manually edit that file and get things to look right
[04:06] <JohnPhys> I'm wondering if anyone else in here is haivng teh same issue
[04:07] <jcsteele> none here....on intel w/ compiz.
[04:07] <JohnPhys> crazy
[04:08] <JohnPhys> I'm guessing you've got all updates for Hardy?
[04:08] <jcsteele> yeah
[04:09] <JohnPhys> mind pasting your ~/.fonts.conf?
[04:12] <jcsteele> JohnPhys: sorry, testing something for you real quick and had to log out.
[04:13] <jcsteele> does .fonts.conf even get modified?
[04:14] <JohnPhys> I'm not sure, I just know that if I change it, things work again
[04:14] <JohnPhys> and the one in the home directory seems like it should get modified based on user preferences
[04:15] <JohnPhys> which is the one I ended up changing
[04:15] <jcsteele> i dont think it does
[04:15] <jcsteele> at least not for me
[04:16] <JohnPhys> can you paste it so I can see what it looks like and compare?
[04:17] <jcsteele> JohnPhys: thats the issue, i dont have one.
[04:17] <JohnPhys> odd
[04:17] <JohnPhys> I tried renaming mine to see if the issue was fixed, but that didn't do it
[04:17] <jcsteele> JohnPhys: i could be totally wrong, but i was thinking .fonts.conf was depreciated and not used...did you create yours manually?
[04:17] <JohnPhys> my gutsy installs don't have one
[04:17] <JohnPhys> not to my knowledge
[04:18] <JohnPhys> maybe it was created when I installed msttcorefonts?
[04:18] <JohnPhys> I can't remember if I had the issue before that though
[04:19] <jcsteele> JohnPhys: no, not through msttcorefonts
[04:19] <JohnPhys> ok
[04:19] <JohnPhys> nmm
[04:19] <JohnPhys> maybe when I ran nvidia-xconfig?
[04:19] <JohnPhys> I know that renaming .fonts.conf caused the issue to still remain
[04:19] <JohnPhys> that's what made me think it has to be there
[04:20] <JohnPhys> I could certainly be wrong though
[04:31] <jimmygoon__> It always takes me a long time, but once I get the font rendering just right I love it as much as ANY font rendering OS X, cleartype you name it
[04:34] <jcsteele> anyone having problems with gdmsetup ?
[04:35] <Javid> it threw me an error on install last night, but nothing wound up broken
[04:36] <jcsteele> i think its having problems with policykit
[04:46] <Javid> considering the system I put it on, installing with only one error was a miracle
[04:47] <jcsteele> Javid: i keep getting a critical error in .xsession-errors about a file not found...then it starts up (before it wasn't even starting up)
[04:48] <Javid> I'm about to go easy on it and merely put it in vmware XD
[04:48] <DeepB> !cloning
[04:48] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[04:48] <Javid> !ninjas
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ninjas - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:48] <DeepB> !automate
[04:48] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[04:52] <DanaG> how about the aptitude-create-state-bundle thingy?
[04:53] <DanaG> I wonder... is it possible to replicate the Nodoka engine with Murrine?
[04:56] <jcsteele> and getting debug symbols into gdm is apparently a pita
[04:56] <RAOF> Apparently so, but I've never tried it.
[04:56] <RAOF> jcsteele: What, really?
[04:57] <RAOF> jcsteele: There isn't a nice, handy gdm-dbgsym package or other shininess?
[04:57] <jcsteele> RAOF: not that my repositories are finding... :(
[04:58] <jcsteele> RAOF: trying both -dbg and -dbgsym
[05:01] <jcsteele> RAOF: strace works though
[05:01] <jcsteele> its trying to load up /etc/ld.so.nohwcap
[05:03] <RAOF> jcsteele: Do you have the Hardy ddeb repository enabled?
[05:03] <jcsteele> hardy deb?  yes
[05:03] <RAOF> (As in deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/ddebs hardy main universe)
[05:05] <jcsteele> RAOF: nope, i dont think I have that...
[05:05] <RAOF> Well, that's where all the -dbgsym packages are, so... :)
[05:06] <jcsteele> RAOF: ah, thx...i just realized it mentions it on a wiki page...
[05:07]  * jcsteele feels dumb.
[05:09] <RAOF> Eh.  It's not too hard to miss.
[05:10] <DanaG>  The requested URL /~ubuntu-archive/ddebs was not found on this server.
[05:12] <jcsteele> DanaG: its deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com gutsy main universe
[05:13] <jcsteele> where gutsy should be hardy
[05:14] <DanaG> Oh, so that's where all the -dbg things went.
[05:16] <DanaG> Hmm, -dbgsym are untrusted.
[05:18] <RAOF> Oh, it's ddebs.ubuntu.com now?
[05:18]  * RAOF updates his sources.list.d
[05:20] <jcsteele> according to the DebuggingProgramCrash wiki
[05:20] <jcsteele> i didnt get much info from gdb though since the program is technically not crashing anymore...
[05:21] <jcsteele> and strace complaining about a file being missing is not something to worry about
[05:21] <jcsteele> so unless it happens again, i am dropping this i think.
[05:21] <DanaG> !debuggingprogramcrash
[05:21] <DanaG> okay, what's that wiki link?  I need to get the apt key for that thing.
[05:23] <jcsteele> DanaG: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash is the full url
[05:23] <DanaG> aah, I got it from google.
[05:23] <DanaG> Apparently there is no apt key for that repo.
[05:26] <lancerocke> Hi.... Is there any way to change widget styles i GNOME how you do it in KDE?
[05:32] <Smegzor> Should I upgrade early to avoid suffering a slow upgrade on release day?  7.10 took 24 hours to upgrade :O  How close to release date should I do it?
[05:33] <danage> a week later? :)
[05:34] <Smegzor> later!? :O  You want me to wait once its out?  Not a chance :)
[05:34] <danage> i upgraded already
[05:34] <danage> and no my WIFI DONT WORK
[05:34] <danage> :)
[05:34] <danage> when is release day, anyways
[05:34] <Smegzor> If I upgrade early, will I have lots less to download on release day or does it not work like that?
[05:35] <danage> Smegzor: yes, very likely so
[05:35] <danage> depending on how much they still working on
[05:35] <Griswold> Smegzor, Of course, then you have alpha software that might break.  :P
[05:35] <danage> well, on release day you will have all your alpha versions updated to the release versions
[05:36] <Griswold> danage, Yeah
[05:36] <danage> but many pkgs will be done before that
[05:36] <Griswold> Of course, you could just *download* all the packages before release day w/o installing them.
[05:36] <Griswold> That would fix both problems.  :)
[05:36] <danage> good idea
[05:37] <lancerocke> Hi.... Is there any way to change widget styles i GNOME how you do it in KDE?
[05:38] <Smegzor> I do all my work on XP which I run in VirtualBox on Ubuntu.  Is VirtualBox broken atm in Hardy?  It runs great atm and its the one application I must have.
[05:39] <Smegzor> I'm thinking of upgrading a week early, maybe less if a weekend falls < 7 days prior.
[05:40] <Griswold> Smegzor, I run VirtualBox - seems to work for me.
[05:40] <Smegzor> yay! :D
[05:40] <Griswold> Might have to fiddle with the kernel module a bit, since it will upgrade your kernel.
[05:40] <Griswold> But shouldn't really be hard to get working and will most likely "just work" for you.
[05:41] <Smegzor> I think I'll take the cautious approach and wait till the weekend prior to release.
[05:42] <Griswold> Yeah
[06:04] <RAOF> lancerocke: Yes.  System->Preferences->Appearance.  There are any number of themes available.
[06:10] <Adys> is there a way to restart xkb from the commandline?
[06:25] <Galga> hi
[06:26] <Galga> i am using dist 8.04 Alpha 6. facing graphic refresh rate and lower resolution problem
[06:27] <Galga> the reported refresh rate and screenresolution or too low
[06:27] <Galga> screen resolution manager doesn't display higher options to select. can anyone help to fix, thanks
[06:36] <wshaddix> how do i get the ath5k drivers with 8.04? My atheros 5211 wireless card works with fedora 8 and now with the new kernel of ubuntu 8.04 i was thinking it would work also, but it doesn't
[06:59] <ethana2> so...
[07:00] <ethana2> i'm not seeing touchpad preferences on our laptops
[07:00] <ethana2> why is this?
[07:10] <vox> hey, im using hardy, and mousekeys keeps activating every 2-3 days of its own accord. how do i stop it permanently?
[07:32] <Ali_ix> hi
[07:32] <Ali_ix> how can i get nautilus to sshow drive labels or mount point?
[07:33] <Ali_ix> now it shows drives as 'X gb volum'
[07:33] <calc> thats a good way to annoy people
[07:34] <calc> heh
[07:47] <shahrukh> I just wanted to ask: when is the release planned?
[07:47] <rsk> april
[07:47] <Flannel> shahrukh: April 24
[07:47] <rsk> 8.04 = month 0.4 and 8th release
[07:48] <Flannel> rsk: no, not 8th release, 8th year.
[07:48] <Flannel> 2008
[07:48] <rsk> ye
[07:48] <rsk> got that wrong
[07:48] <shahrukh> Cool naming convention
[07:48] <shahrukh> Thanks guys
[07:48] <shahrukh> :)
[07:49] <rsk> yea
[07:49] <rsk> simple
[08:35] <Rasi> hey
[08:36] <rsk> he
[08:36] <rsk> y
[08:36] <Rasi> i get a kernel panic on boot of desktop cd of alpha6.. at least i think it is one (flashing lights above numpad)
[08:36] <Rasi> any boot param i could try?
[08:36] <rsk> tried the noapci flag?
[08:36] <rsk> um sure :P
[08:37] <Rasi> can you name the most important ones?
[08:37] <Rasi> dont want to reboot to my system every 2 minutes to ask :P
[08:38] <rsk> can'
[08:38] <rsk> t think of anything else really
[08:38] <Rasi> alright..
[08:38] <Rasi> ubuntu is grub, right?
[08:38] <Rasi> so "e" should let me remove the splash screen
[08:39] <rsk> yea grub
[08:40] <Rasi> fine
[08:47] <Rasi> alright
[08:47] <Rasi> http://carnager.dyndns.org/~carnager/panic.jpg
[08:47] <Rasi> this is what i get when booting with noacpi
[08:49] <Rasi> hmm
[08:49] <Rasi> link not working
[08:49] <Rasi> http://85.182.62.230/~carnager/panic.jpg
[08:50] <rsk> ok
[08:50] <rsk> have you md5verified the media?
[08:51] <pen> hi
[08:51] <rsk> hey
[08:51] <Rasi> not the media itself, but the iso
[08:51] <Rasi> i will check
[08:55] <Galga> hi
[08:55] <Galga> is there any command to update install package list with a distro ?
[08:56] <Galga> anyways, my sound card is not being detected properly by 8.04 Alpha 6. Any help will be appreciated
[08:56] <rsk> what do you mean bu that
[08:57] <rsk> the first question
[08:57] <rsk> by*
[08:57] <Galga> rsk: well i was trying to reinstall gstreamer so it uninstalled some other programs along like totem, gnome applets and couple of more
[08:58] <Galga> rsk: apt-get autoremove was suggested in the end which removed some packages
[08:58] <pen> I have some questions regarding FF3 Beta 4 for gmail and flash
[08:58] <pen> how should I improve the speed?
[08:59] <rsk> just re-install them then ?
[08:59] <Galga> rsk: thats what i m doing now but was looking for a better way
[09:00] <Galga> rsk: anyways how can you help me with my soundcard not being detected issue. I am not using onboard, instead pci chip ES1371
[09:00] <rsk> cheked alsamixer?
[09:00] <rsk> so that's nothing is muted
[09:01] <Galga> rsk: how can i do that :)
[09:01] <rsk> run alsamixer in a terminal
[09:01] <Galga> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[09:02] <rsk> ok and you have the latest kernel and rebooted into it?
[09:02] <Galga> yup
[09:02] <rsk> some versions have broken sound
[09:02] <rsk> ok try to ask in #alsa
[09:03] <Galga> ok thanks
[09:06] <J-_> anyone ever try simple-ccsm?
[09:06] <J-_> !info simple-ccsm
[09:06] <Galga> rsk: is there any command to redetect sound device ?
[09:06] <ubotu> simple-ccsm (source: simple-ccsm): Simple Compizconfig settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.2-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 29 kB, installed size 352 kB
[09:06] <rsk> no Galga
[09:06] <rsk> alsaconf has been removed from ubuntu
[09:06] <rsk> it's a shame.
[09:07] <Galga> rsk: oh
[09:07] <ogre> hey guys, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade no workie for me right now. any suggestions?
[09:07] <hackel> Where can one set X mouse pointers now?
[09:07] <Galga> ogre: update-manager -d
[09:07] <rsk> ogre: not wroking how?
[09:07] <Galga> oops sorry
[09:08] <ogre> rsk:  its saying 0 upgraded
[09:08] <rsk> that's working
[09:08] <rsk> not not-working :)
[09:09] <ogre> so i haver to  update-manager -d?
[09:10] <rsk> not if you are already using 8.04 branch.
[09:10] <Galga> ogre: no i thought you were looking for dist upgrade for alpha release. sorry my appologize
[09:10] <ogre> so what should i do to upgrade?
[09:11] <rsk> ogre: you aren't on 8.04 branch ?
[09:11] <ogre> sorry im in the middle of a 32 game winning streak in snipers in halo2
[09:11] <ogre> heh
[09:11] <ogre> rsk:  im currently on gutsy trying to test out hardy
[09:12] <rsk> right.
[09:12] <rsk> then run update-manager -d
[09:12] <Rasi> ok.. that md5sum was a total mess
[09:12] <rsk> ask the correct questions!
[09:13] <Galga> rsk: so there is no solution for the sound problem ?
[09:13] <rsk> not that i know of
[09:13] <Galga> hmm
[09:13] <ogre> sorry sorry. im just going nuts on this sniper game. this is awesome. i just got lvl 28 and won 33 games in a row
[09:14] <gluer> ogre: which sniper game?
[09:14] <ogre> gluer:  halo2
[09:15] <gluer> on hardy?
[09:15] <Galga> rsk: how about repluging the pci device ? will trick work ?
[09:15] <ogre> gluer:  nah, sorry its sorta offtopic. on original xbox
[09:15] <elmargol> Is it a bug or a feature that ubuntu detects 96dpi for my display?
[09:16] <rsk> elmargol: you want another dpi?
[09:16] <elmargol> rsk: xdpyinfo says that I have 132DPI
[09:17] <elmargol> gnome says that i have 96dpi
[09:17] <rsk> does it look bad?
[09:18] <elmargol> How should it look?
[09:19] <pen> hi
[09:20] <Galga> rsk: is there any package to watch cctv ?
[09:21] <Galga> sorry catv
[09:21] <rsk> dont know what that is
[09:22] <Galga> rsk: i mean cable tv. i have hardware (capture card) but unsure what packages do i need
[09:22] <rsk> sorry never used one
[09:23] <Kemayo> I just updated from gutsy to hardy, and my sound hardware doesn't seem to be detected.  Any pointers?
[09:23] <bardyr> Kemayo, what sound card?
[09:23] <Galga> Kemayo: welcome please beseated next to me :)
[09:24] <catweazle> Kemayo: latest kernel in hardy is a little bit broken for sound
[09:24] <Kemayo> bardyr: Motherboard sound, nvidia nforce 2, I think.
[09:24] <bardyr> laptop?
[09:24] <Kemayo> Desktop
[09:24] <catweazle> original kernel from alpha 6 works
[09:25] <Kemayo> Actually, nForce 4.  I went and checked the box.
[09:31] <elmargol> rsk: I'm just wondering.... 10 chars at font size 10point should be 3,7cm on my display
[09:32] <elmargol> rsk: font=monospace
[09:39] <ogre> why no nessus support in hardy? anyone know?
[09:40] <Kemayo> So the sound problem advice is basically "wait and see", right?
[09:45] <Lynoure> It seems Amarok no longer connects my mp3/ogg player. Anything I can do about it?
[09:46] <Lynoure> ogre: what do you mean by "no nessus support"? It seems to be in Universe repos (sure, not supported like the main, but resources are limited)
[09:47] <ogre> Lynoure:  im installing right now aqnd it says its no longer supported
[09:48] <ogre> dunno exactly what they mean by it. just glad to upgrade :)
[09:51] <fromport> hi, anyone here with experience with ubuntu-xen-server ? my domU's dont recognise their "harddrive" and thus wont boot
[09:58] <nacer> hello
[09:58] <nacer> i have a bug with my headset bluettoth
[09:58] <nacer> it work with the 386 kernel but not the generic
[09:59] <nacer> Mar 17 10:51:08 PtiPanda kernel: [ 4729.620991] hci_scodata_packet: hci0 SCO packet for unknown connection handle 1
[10:02] <ionstorm> nacer, fill a bug report
[10:02] <nacer> ionstorm, yup
[10:02] <ionstorm> wrd
[10:02] <nacer> i am looking on launchpad first
[10:04] <nacer> ionstorm, cool its already reported
[10:04] <nacer> ionstorm, i will complet it
[10:05] <ionstorm> the more detailed the better, they will fix it quicker
[10:07] <nacer> ionstorm, reboot time
[10:10] <Rasi> hmm
[10:10] <Rasi> is it intended that "screens and resolutions" reports fglrx as my driver?
[10:10] <Rasi> this is surely not the default one :)
[10:11] <Rasi> also does screens and resolutions detect TV via svhs?
[10:11] <Rasi> it _seems_ to find something there (also restricts resolution to 800x600), but i cant activate it
[10:12] <Rasi> eh,... "screens and graphics" i mean
[10:20] <niklas> after install of Alpha6 I directly booted into recovery mode and upgraded with apt-get. Problem is that configuration of "hal" is failing. This leads to that other packages also cannot be configure. The error message I get fromn hal upgrade is "Cannot access '/var/run/hal': No such file or directory".
[10:20] <Rasi> create it
[10:21] <Rasi> sudo mkdir /var/run/hal
[10:21] <niklas> Ok, so I can make a "touch" on that file. The error message when I rerun upgrade is "Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: no such file or directory"
[10:21] <niklas> aha, mkdir!
[10:22] <niklas> nupp, same error about socket not found
[10:24] <niklas> I have never started the X yet. Can it be because of this?
[10:25] <Tengu> hello world.
[10:25] <Rasi> sudo /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes
[10:25] <Rasi> what does this say?
[10:26] <Tengu> I have some question about kickstart on ubuntu hardy : is options "partition / --onpart sda2 --noformat" supposed to work ??
[10:26] <Tengu> *option
[10:30] <niklas> Rasi, here is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5762/
[10:32] <niklas> Also, I have got tons of "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 11s! [swapper:0]" under the upgrade process before.
[10:33] <niklas> When I say "upgrade process" I mean installation of Alpha6 on clean system and running apt-get upgrade
[10:35] <niklas> Rasi, I do not have a /var/run/dbus directory
[10:35] <Rasi> ls -l /etc/init.d/dbus-1
[10:35] <Rasi> you dont possibly have a 0kb file there?
[10:36] <niklas> ls: cannot access /etc/init.d/dbus-1: No such file or directory
[10:36] <niklas> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4546 2008-02-29 10:21 /etc/init.d/dbus
[10:38] <niklas> Rasi, I found a solution!
[10:39] <niklas> Rasi, First adding directory /var/run/hal and then manually starting dbus "/etc/init.d/dbus start" and then run apt-get upgrade. Now hal is being configured correctly
[10:40] <Rasi> hey, cool
[10:41] <niklas> Rasi, Why did not dbus start under recovery boot?
[10:41] <niklas> Clearly it was needed
[10:49] <Rasi> how can i mount my harddisk from a livecd?
[10:49] <Rasi> it says i dont have permission
[10:49] <Rasi> and prompts for a password
[10:50] <niklas> Rasi, Have you tried without writing "sudo"?
[10:50] <Rasi> lol
[10:50] <Rasi> i just have to hit "enter"
[10:51] <niklas> Rasi, Oh :-)
[10:57] <meyellow> would anybody be able to explain to me how i can get into ubuntu with my geforce 8600m GS as when i try to load the xorg.conf file does not seem to find it
[11:00] <niklas> meyellow, heard something about xorg.conf is being depressed by a newer way to handle X graphics. But I don't know...
[11:00] <niklas> meyellow, I have a xorg.conf after alpha6 installation for example...
[11:01] <meyellow> right
[11:03] <meyellow> so do we know if this will be fixed when 8.04 is on full release?
[11:03] <niklas> no ;)
[11:03] <meyellow> as am having to use vesa configuration for xorg.conf
[11:03] <meyellow> lol theres a suprise
[11:24] <bullgard4> I heard rumors that Hardy is going to simplify the X server configuration. Can you recommend an account on that.
[11:24] <TheInfinity> bullgard4: xorg7.3 simplifys it, yes
[11:31] <unenough> what's this about "user space file system" and why is it useful?
[11:31] <unenough> i mean i know what that means, technically
[11:31] <unenough> but why is it good?
[11:33] <TheInfinity> unenough: wikipedia also lists pros and cons
[11:36] <bullgard4> unenough: In user space, the processor regulates direct access to hardware and unauthorized access to memory. So it is more safe to have such a file system. A security measure.
[11:41] <Tengu> is there any REAL doc about preseed ?
[11:41] <Tengu> 'cause doc on help.ubuntu.com is... well... -.- not really full of help.
[11:44] <shirish> guys how do I know which JVM am I running ?
[11:45] <shirish> If I'm doing java --version I get
[11:45] <shirish> Unrecognized option: --version
[11:45] <shirish> Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
[11:45] <shirish> Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
[11:45] <shirish> Anybody any ideas, I'm on Ubuntu 8.04
[11:45] <Ng> shirish: try -version
[11:45] <Ng> also update-alternatives --list java
[11:47] <shirish> Ng: thanx, I've got icedtea :)
[11:47] <shirish> Ng: another thing the update-alternatives --list java doesn't tell me which version I'm running
[11:47] <Ng> shirish: it should tell you where /usr/bin/java points
[11:47] <Ng> -(cmsj@kodachi)-(~)- update-alternatives --list java
[11:47] <Ng> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
[11:47] <Ng>  /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
[11:47] <Ng> is what mine shows
[11:47] <shirish> Ng: sorry not version it should have been which java implementation ts running
[11:48] <shirish> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-icedtea/jre/bin/java
[11:48] <shirish> /usr/bin/gij-4.1
[11:48] <shirish> /usr/bin/gij-4.2
[11:48] <shirish> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[11:48] <shirish> this is what mine shows
[11:48] <shirish> any idea how do I get rid of gij-4.1 & 4.2 or do I need them?
[11:48] <Ng> dpkg -S /usr/bin/gij-4.2
[11:48] <shirish> Ng: ^
[11:49] <Ng> will show you what package owns it
[11:49] <Ng> search for the package in synaptic and ask it to remove it. it will tell you what else will be removed, if anything
[11:49] <Ng> you only need one jvm, most likely
[11:49] <shirish> gij-4.2 & gij-4.1 respectively
[11:50] <Ng> I'd guess you don't need either, but I'm no java expert :)
[11:50] <shirish> Ng: thanx, same here, no java nobody ;)
[11:52] <shirish> Ng: hmm... gij-4.2 does have quite a few dependencies
[11:52]  * shirish goes hunting what's what
[11:53] <unenough> bullgard4, i know the theoretical advantages, i'm asking about practically, what is it used for (because there was some note about sharing data with windows)
[11:55] <bullgard4> unenough: You better cite the piece of text so that one better can understand your problem.
[11:56] <unenough> it was a tooltip that appeared on the screen when i upgraded last time
[11:56] <unenough> it disappeared before I could read it :)  so i can't cite  it
[12:02] <savvas>  bash-completion 20060301-3ubuntu1 <- i wonder what they've changed :)
[12:04] <Pici> savvas: I personally have apt-listchanges installed, so I don't have to wonder when I get new updates.
[12:06] <savvas> Pici: apt-listchanges bash-completion ?
[12:07] <Pici> savvas: apt-listchanges hooks into your apt-get/aptitude upgrades and gives you the proper changelongs for each update you will be installing.
[12:07] <savvas> so you mean upon upgrading i get the info automatically?
[12:07] <Pici> Indeed.
[12:07] <savvas> sweet!
[12:10] <Galga> ;p
[12:10] <Galga> its sour
[12:10] <savvas> it's an uncle ben sauce :)
[12:11] <Galga> indeed
[12:11] <Galga> but its without sound
[12:11] <savvas> :P
[12:11] <Galga> so if you feel spicy and want to yell for water. alas (ALSA) won't be there to hear you
[12:12] <savvas> alas in greek means salt ;)
[12:12] <Galga> sudo alsaconf ENTER bash-- bad command or file name
[12:12] <savvas> all this food related talk made me hungy :\
[12:13] <unenough> eat
[12:13] <savvas> Pici: I just found a crash, type apt-listchanges bash-completion :)
[12:14] <Pici> savvas: I dont think its supposed to work that way.
[12:14] <savvas> unenough: for that i'd have to get out of bed, clear all the hunkies surrounding me, and cook. I can get out of bed, but don't have the strength to cook yet, when i get sick, i get really sick :P
[12:15] <Pici> Mine invokes automagically when I do my upgrades.
[12:15] <savvas> i know, but still.. it shouldn't crash :)
[12:16] <savvas> Pici: is works the way as the update manager changelog info?
[12:16] <savvas> because most of the times there is no changelog
[12:16] <Pici> savvas: Yes, but I've never had the 'missing changelog' issue with apt-listchanges
[12:16] <heanol> Pici: i installed apt-listchanges and then did an apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:16] <heanol> but didn't get any changelog info
[12:16] <savvas> hm very well
[12:16] <heanol> i saw a progress for reading changelogs
[12:17] <heanol> but nothing displayed in the install process
[12:17] <heanol> do i need to enable it somehow?
[12:17] <Pici> heanol: It doesnt display the changes until after you choose to install the packages.
[12:18] <savvas> hrm, the core dumps are sometimes huge for apps like firefox or deluge-torrent or such
[12:18] <Pici> heanol: but it that still didn't work, you can: sudo dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges for some options
[12:19] <heanol> Pici: Hmm, ok
[12:20] <heanol> now i just need to wait until there's updated packages to test it again ;)
[12:32] <Some_Person> How stable is Hardy right now? I'm thinking about trying the live cd, but I don't want to screw up my system.
[12:32] <rsk> Some_Person: the live wont screw up your system
[12:32] <Some_Person> Excellent, I'll try it.
[12:34] <savvas> Pici: do you know if changelogs.ubuntu.com is updated at the same time with a package release?
[12:35] <Some_Person> o.o kde4 kubuntu, i've got to try that too
[12:37] <Pici> savvas: I *think* theres a bit of a delay, which is why update manager doesnt always get the changelogs, but apt-listchanges does.
[12:40] <Galga> Pici: do you know how to enable voice on Alpha 6 ?
[12:40] <Pici> Galga: No idea, sorry.
[12:41] <Galga> Pici: aah ok
[12:41] <typhox> I have a question
[12:41] <typhox> i tried to backtrace today
[12:41] <dine-o-mite> is PeaZip to be in Hardy Heron?
[12:41] <ader10> Is there a way to make the progress bar for copying files only be at 100% when it's safe to unmount (ex: you copy a file from your hard drive to your usb flash drive and the copy dialog says complete, but the file isn't completely written)
[12:42] <typhox> i did it how described in the wiki
[12:42] <typhox> but after the point (gdb) continue
[12:42] <typhox> in my terminal just stands "Continuing..."
[12:42] <typhox> Although the application has crashed now
[12:43] <typhox> how do I input now (gbd) backtrace full?
[12:45] <Leerok> cat > recurse.sh
[12:45] <Leerok> ./recurse.sh
[12:45] <Leerok> ^D
[12:45] <Leerok> chmod +x recurse.sh
[12:45] <Leerok> ./recurse.sh
[12:45] <savvas> dine-o-mite: there isn't any package in debian for peazip either, I very much doubt it will be included in hardy the freeze has already been applied if I'm not mistaken
[12:45] <dine-o-mite> savvas, tyvm
[12:47] <savvas> dine-o-mite: there's an already compiled deb on their page though: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/peazip/peazip_1.11.bin.LINUX.GTK2.i586-2.deb
[12:48] <dine-o-mite> savvas, yes ty, have you tried it? i have, it is the best compression frontend for simple uses
[12:48] <savvas> never tried it, but I have to admit it looks nice from the screenshots :)
[12:51] <savvas> ah bummer
[12:51] <savvas> no amd64 :p
[12:51] <dine-o-mite> savvas,  i would like peazip to be in next ubuntu version, it is nice frontend to compression programs, including 7zip
[12:52] <dine-o-mite> i found it when looking for 7zip guis
[12:52] <savvas> dine-o-mite: I really don't know the process about that action, maybe http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com - or contact the developer to submit it to debian/ubuntu?
[12:53] <dine-o-mite> savvas, ty
[12:53] <savvas> dine-o-mite: if you do contact its developer, ask him for a 64-bit edition too :)
[12:54] <dine-o-mite> savvas, you too please
[12:54] <savvas> I'm on my way
[13:01] <spiderfire> you think maybe 64bit has a long way to go until portable devices become 64bit
[13:04] <spiderfire> nm that
[13:16] <ccooke> dine-o-mite: doesn't file-roller in hardy now support 7zip natively?
[13:18] <ccooke> (ah. Yes, it does)
[13:21] <bod_> when is the beta likely to be released?
[13:21] <dine-o-mite> ccooke, how do the features compare between the two and ty for this mention
[13:21] <ccooke> dine-o-mite: file-roller is the default gnome archive manager
[13:22] <ccooke> I've never used peazip
[13:22] <dine-o-mite> ccooke, yes
[13:22] <Leerok> I wonder, what is everyone's favourite music player here?
[13:22] <rsk> xmms
[13:23] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:23] <flipstar> audacious :)
[13:24] <TrioTorus> Banshee
[13:25] <Leerok> Banshee?
[13:25] <rsk> it's a unit in warcraft3
[13:25] <rsk> also a music player for linux
[13:26] <ccooke> Banshee is good.
[13:27] <homa_rano> amarok
[13:27] <Leerok> How does it compare to the likes of XMMS, Amarok, and Audacious?
[13:28] <Leerok> I'm currently trying audacious.
[13:28] <Leerok> It seems to be a good XMMS replacement.
[13:29] <Leerok> The plugins seem to come in a nice set, too.
[13:29] <Leerok> apt-get install audacious-plugins-extra audacious-plugins-ugly and it plays everything.
[13:29] <rsk> there's no such thing as an XMMS replacement..
[13:29] <rsk> nothing comes close
[13:30] <Leerok> Oh?
[13:30] <Leerok> XMMS doesn't seem to be updated often.
[13:30] <Leerok> And it doesn't handle UTF, or so it seems.
[13:30] <rsk> it is
[13:30] <rsk> it's just propaganda that it's dead and buried
[13:31] <Milos_SD> is there any media library for audacious?
[13:31] <Milos_SD> I would like to use audacious, but I need media library
[13:32] <Leerok> Plus, apt-getting plugins is relatively cumbersome.
[13:33] <Leerok> Speaking of plugins, how does one get PSF and PSC plugins for Amarok?
[13:33] <Leerok> If I could get those in Amarok, I would just use Amarok.
[13:36] <homa_rano> The one thing that makes me unable to use anything by Amarok is global keyboard shortcuts
[13:40] <Leerok> Any way to disable the global shortcuts?
[13:41] <homa_rano> yes, but they all use the Win key
[13:41] <homa_rano> with only minor collisions with compiz
[13:41] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:41] <Leerok> Linux makes the Win key useful.
[13:48] <sergiu87> hello, i want to test the hardy heron, how can i upgrade gutsy to hardy? just to change the sources.list?
[13:49] <sergiu87> =]
[13:49] <rsk> update-manager -d
[13:49] <flipstar> update-manager -d might be a better choise
[13:49] <orkun> still being afraid of os updates(thx to microsoft) - i am thinking whether i should update from gutsy or hardy alpha6 or 3 days later hardy beta to hardy final - or whether i should wait. need to install ubuntu the next days(best would be today) - but with windows i would definitly wait one month for the final release to perform a full install and NEVER would first install win98 and then use xp update. should i be worried the same way wi
[13:49] <orkun> th ubuntu? i am only(!) worried about stability one month later - not right now.
[13:49] <rsk> orkun: anything in particular you need in hardy?
[13:50] <rsk> if not wait for it to be released
[13:51] <orkun> got me - im just impatient and want to help testing(i think i will install alpha anyway). i probably should've asked whether you guys recommend a clean reinstall one month later or if it simply makes no change ^^
[13:51] <flipstar> !final
[13:51] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[13:52] <Leerok> Ubuntu has been rather stable for me, as far as I know.
[13:52] <orkun> for me 2 :>
[13:52] <Leerok> People have been coming in to use the Hardy computers.
[13:52] <Leerok> No major problems thus far.
[13:53] <orkun> thx 2 microsoft i just prefer clean installs rather than updates. but with ubuntu i already assumed it should make no change. emphasis on should ^^
[13:53] <Leerok> When the final version comes out, I'm going to upgrade all of them.
[13:53] <orkun> thanks you guys
[13:54] <Leerok> Did I accidentally answer a question?
[13:54] <orkun> kind of. u mentioned you will just finally upgrade everything in the end so i got your opinion on this :)
[13:57] <Leerok> Ah.
[14:12] <eklof> Hi.
[14:12] <eklof> What's the recommended way to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 ?
[14:12] <rsk> eklof: updata-manager -d
[14:12] <eklof> Thinking about upgrading my laptop now.
[14:12] <Leerok> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[14:12] <ccooke> eklof: *technically* it's not recommended that you upgrade, yet.
[14:13] <eklof> Leerok: that wont's do it :)
[14:13] <Leerok> Really?
[14:13] <Leerok> It did it for me.
[14:13] <eklof> ccooke: I know. But, I have always upgraded a month before release or so.
[14:13] <ccooke> Leerok: you need to make other alterations first. It's also not the official way
[14:13] <rsk> not unless you change sources.list
[14:13] <rsk> that couldn't have worked
[14:13] <eklof> Leerok: you need to change repos first in your example-
[14:13] <Leerok> Ah, which I did.
[14:13] <ccooke> eklof: *nod*. Needs to be said, though :-)
[14:13] <eklof> Ok, then I understand :)
[14:13] <Leerok> There's an official way?
[14:13] <eklof> Yes.
[14:14] <ccooke> Leerok: the update-manager handles it better than manual editing in almost all cases
[14:14] <eklof> apt-get is also considered depricated i think. aptitude should be used
[14:14] <ccooke> and it's the update-manager method that needs testing
[14:14] <Leerok> Hmm!
[14:14] <ccooke> eklof: no.
[14:14] <Leerok> Interesting to know.
[14:15] <eklof> ccooke: it's not? Ok, just rumors then.
[14:15] <eklof> There we go.
[14:15] <eklof> No turning back now :)
[14:16] <Tengu> can someone tell me WHY this doc is wrong : https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html   ?? I'm trying for hours to just pass first debian-installer step [choose language], but nothing works with preseed...........
[14:16] <eklof> I really need the new network layer of Gnome 2.22, that's why I'm eager to upgrade
[14:16] <Tengu> I just doubt hardy will change everything in preseed functions....
[14:16] <ccooke> eklof: aptitude is a better text-based front-end, but apt-get is no worse as a pure command-line app - and it's the tool that'll be mentioned in hundreds of other pages.
[14:17] <Leerok> Ah, aptitude is like a text menu.
[14:18] <eklof> ccooke: yes I'm aware of that, however I read that aptidute is prefered over apt-get by the Ubuntu developers.
[14:18] <ccooke> (I suspect apt-get *will* be deprecated, but it doesn't make sense to do that until the balance of documentation *within ubuntu itself* uses aptitude instead
[14:18] <eklof> Leerok: no. It's a front-ent to dpkg, just lika apt-get
[14:18] <ccooke> Leerok: it's usable on the command line, as well.
[14:18] <eklof> ccooke: ok then.
[14:19] <ccooke> eklof: it's a bit silly saying "don't use that, it's deprecated" when 90% of the examples for installing something use it
[14:19] <Leerok> Ah, more features and stuff?
[14:19] <k1dugar> Hello Everyone
[14:19] <Leerok> Hello no one.
[14:20] <eklof> ccooke: I said i _thought_ it was considered depricated. J
[14:20] <eklof> Not that it was :)
[14:20] <eklof> Big difference.
[14:20] <ccooke> eklof: oh, don't mind me. Just following my train of thought
[14:21] <k1dugar> Compiz had blacklisted ati cards. Can anyone tell me why its done so?
[14:21] <eklof> I just don't like when people interpret things from what I've said, and the interpetation is wrong :)
[14:21] <eklof> But now we know. It's widely used still and is _not_ depricated :)
[14:21] <ccooke> eklof: I wasn't making any negative interpretation of what you said - just thinking out-loud
[14:21] <eklof> i know.
[14:21] <eklof> :)
[14:22] <alpha-one> does anyone know why my laptop screen keeps turning off?  it does it at random, but my only (tested and working) solution is to reinstall kubuntu and never shut my laptop
[14:22] <ccooke> eklof: (and you're right: People *should* be using aptiture. I need to re-train my fingers to type it :-/)
[14:22] <eklof> ccooke: Yes me too. My debian-habits are very hard to de-train.
[14:22] <Leerok> Power settings?
[14:22] <Lunks> XChat-xsys is not working on hardy, any workarounds?
[14:23] <Leerok> Use irssi.
[14:23] <ccooke> eklof: indeed. And hey, I recall people trying to convince me that aptitude was better before Ubuntu existed.
[14:23] <ccooke> Leerok: Seconded :-)
[14:23] <Lunks> other than not using the program itself anymore. ;P
[14:23] <Leerok> Compile from source?
[14:23] <Leerok> apt-get build-dep xchat
[14:24] <Leerok> apt-get source -b xchat
[14:24] <orvokki> ccooke: Better than apt-get? Yeah, I've heard it was.
[14:24]  * Leerok is actually using a programme called "irc".
[14:24] <k1dugar> can some one tell me why Compiz does not work on new alpha update on ATI card??
[14:24] <eklof> ccooke: I'v even be told that when using ubuntu as a server, one should _not_ use the old "subtitute repos", aptitude update/dist-upgrade, but a new form of script. Can't remember the name though.
[14:25] <Leerok> New form of script?
[14:25] <Leerok> Sounds like vital to be known.
[14:25] <ccooke> eklof: hmm. I'd just use the update manager. Over ssh.
[14:25] <orvokki> ccooke: In de olde days apt-get didn't keep history of installed packages while aptitude did. Thus systems maintained with apt-get instead of aptitude slowly gathered excess dependencies that weren't automatically removed. :)
[14:25] <eklof> Not sure if it is new, but nothing I've ever head of.
[14:26] <ccooke> Just because a server has no *local* X server doesn't mean it shouldn't have X libs...
[14:26] <ccooke> (and a load of vendor stuff has an X front-end)
[14:26] <k1dugar> need some answer here!!
[14:26] <ccooke> k1dugar: I understand that they're not stable enough to enable automatically
[14:26] <ccooke> especially ion laptops
[14:27] <orvokki> ccooke: Did anyone claim it shouldn't?
[14:27] <eklof> ccooke: I have a 6.06 server i want to upgrade when hardy is released.
[14:27] <eklof> However, I really hope they will let me upgrade directly, and not through 6.10, 7.04,7.10
[14:27] <eklof> :(
[14:28] <k1dugar> ccooke: I have enable it by editing /usr/lib/compiz but its was working normal on my 7years old laptop and even now its working fine
[14:28] <ccooke> orvokki: It's an old guiding principle
[14:28] <putti> I think they were working on that eklof, but not sure if they managed to get it to work
[14:28] <eklof> Ok.
[14:28] <orvokki> ccooke: *shrug* I haven't heard of anyone who follows that.
[14:28] <eklof> That's kinda worrying.
[14:29] <ccooke> orvokki: I'm a sysadmin - I deal with people like that all the time :-)
[14:29] <orvokki> Ah, right. :)
[14:29] <eklof> Because that means, reinstalling the server and restoring from backup. And that will have me think twice about _not_ choosing Ubuntu again for my server.
[14:29] <orvokki> ccooke: Heck, even our school's solaris shell servers for thousands of people have X libraries. :)
[14:29] <ccooke> eklof: if it helps, I upgraded a system from 6.06 to 7.10 in November... and it worked.
[14:29] <k1dugar> ccooke: I know its not right place to through complain and suggestion but is there a irc room to do that?
[14:30] <eklof> That have always been working ok, if you don't have X on it :)
[14:30] <ccooke> k1dugar: the problem is, Ubuntu have to make the right decision for *most people*.
[14:30] <ccooke> k1dugar: it's good that it works for you, but the combination is, over a large number of systems, not reliable enough to be on by default
[14:30] <savvas> communism and democracy in one :P
[14:31] <Leerok> That's Linux for you.
[14:31] <ccooke> k1dugar: basically, if disabling it gets X people irritated (but with working systems), but *enabling* it breaks Y people's systems such that they can't log in... :-)
[14:31] <Leerok> For those who can't use the console.
[14:31] <ccooke> and if (X * irritation(X)) > (Y * irritation(Y))... yeah, I'll stop now :-)
[14:32] <k1dugar> ccooke: but there can be gui with warning saying it might cut down or make there system unstable rather then just disabling it. Its one of the most amazing thing about linux and awn is also works on compiz
[14:34] <ccooke> k1dugar: It's possible someone's already thought of that and is coding it - remember, hardy isn't released yet! But if not, that would be a really good thing to submit as a bug/feature request
[14:35] <ccooke> be aware that doing it would necessitate the coding of a system for handling the recovery of a broken login, though
[14:35] <k1dugar> ccooke: I understand you view and its right thing to do but its can be disabled by default and can be enables from compiz settings menu
[14:35] <ccooke> k1dugar: the problem is recovery, as I said.
[14:38] <k1dugar> ccooke: I think on gdm one can press F10 and select failsafe gnome session. the problem maybe documentation's details and make new user read them by making them interactive rather then simple text mode.(there option to select interactive and test mode documentation's)
[14:40] <ccooke> k1dugar: and all of that is interface design and coding time. The system you've just described wouldn't be ready in time for hardy - it'd be hardy+1
[14:41] <savvas> Do I have to manually add avant-window-navigator in sessions?
[14:41] <savvas> or does it start on its own?
[14:41] <flipstar> !autostart
[14:41] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[14:41] <k1dugar> savvas: yes, you can do that.
[14:41] <savvas> flipstar: i know how to add it, just if it starts on login on its own :)
[14:42] <savvas> ok
[14:42] <flipstar> its start if session was saved/restored i guess
[14:42] <k1dugar> savvas: add "avant-window-navigator" on command line.
[14:45] <savvas> k1dugar: any idea on how to massively add my own launchers? i hate to re-add them one by one :\
[14:47] <teabag4> Hi - is the latest Hardy alpha stable enough for personal use?
[14:48] <Tengu> can someone show a working preseed file for hardy ?
[14:48] <Tengu> going to be crazy with this fscking non-working thing....
[14:49] <Tengu> [or some real working doc.... as debian and feisty doc doesn't seem to apply to hardy........]
[14:49] <JohnPhys> teabag4:  its an alpha, so it may be stable enough today, but it may break the next time there's an update to one of the packages
[14:51] <teabag4> JohnPhys: I was just wondering whether it was worth installing on an old disk to experiment with. However, there are reports of broken Alsa sound on some h/w.
[14:53] <JohnPhys> teabag4:  I threw it on a spare partition I had, it mostly works ok, though I've encountered a few bugs.
[14:55] <teabag4> JohnPhys: I'll give it a try. Thanks for the confidence boost :-)
[14:56] <savvas> haha awn is fun :)
[14:57] <savvas> the problem is.. how do i move it? it clashes with my window panel
[15:01] <savvas> ah ok fixed
[15:04] <eklof> yay, upgrading to hardy worked flawless for med.
[15:04] <eklof> -d
[15:04] <eklof> Like the new Firefox.
[15:08] <Leerok> The new Firefox is nice!
[15:08] <Leerok> Less sustained CPU usage.
[15:08] <Leerok> The old one used to use CPU for no apparent reason.
[15:09] <eklof> However, I didn't get the orange borders in the menu that the live-cd has, not even if I choose human as a theme?
[15:09] <putti> Yeah I really like the new firefox. It made me switch from opera
[15:10] <putti> it should integrate with your gtk theme
[15:10] <eklof> Ok. Doesn't here :)
[15:10] <JohnPhys> eklof, I think you need to customize the theme, and select "Human-Murrine" for the controls
[15:10] <eklof> JohnPhys: will try
[15:11] <eklof> Oh yes there it was. Thanks
[15:11] <JohnPhys> np
[15:17] <eklof> The controls are nicer, indeed. My orange/black desktop is looking nice :)
[15:18] <eklof> synaptic still need some new look I think :)
[15:18] <binarical-app> has anyone here got a macbook running hardy, i am experiencing keyboard problems> repetitive key locking. other then that where do i find the at symbol
[15:18] <Leerok> Shift 2?
[15:18] <Leerok> What country are you from, anyway?
[15:18] <Leerok> Maybe that's relevant.
[15:19] <orvokki> At symbol is altgr+2 in my keyboard so yeah, that is relevant. ^^
[15:19] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194214
[15:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[15:20] <binarical-app> yeah thats the problem with the macbook keyboard layout> mac uses > apple key g as a replacement > shift 2
[15:20] <iter> that's my biggest beef w/my macbook
[15:20] <orvokki> binarical-app: Remap your keyboard.
[15:20] <iter> no delete key!??!!
[15:20] <orvokki> You are going to want an altgr.
[15:21] <binarical-app> I have an altgr key
[15:21] <orvokki> What on earth?
[15:21] <Leerok> Altgr?
[15:21] <orvokki> I've never seen a mac that has it. Odd.
[15:21] <Leerok> What is that?
[15:21] <orvokki> Leerok: It's the right alt. Different functionality than the left alt.
[15:22] <Leerok> Oh, like in the Serbian keyboard layout.
[15:22] <binarical-app> I believe there is a keyboard map for the mac intel keyboard
[15:22] <binarical-app> no i dont have a right alt key
[15:22] <DanaG> I have my laptop (ordinary keyboard) set to "US International (AltGr Dead Keys)".
[15:22] <orvokki> binarical-app: Well, that's just it. Macs don't have one, you want it.
[15:22] <DanaG> Isn't "Option" the same as Alt?
[15:23] <DanaG> I mean, as AltGr.
[15:23] <binarical-app> yes it is
[15:24] <binarical-app> the macbook intel never had a need for the altgr key for os X
[15:24] <DanaG> When I boot OS X (call it "Hackintosh"), my left-alt key does the same thing.
[15:25] <orvokki> DanaG: Hmm, I didn't know there was a replacement. I just did an override to the keyboard layout in my ibook Xubuntu to get an altgr.
[15:25] <binarical-app> i thought of getting an external keyboard as a solution to this problem , since even the fancy mac external keyboards have an altgr key
[15:25] <Leerok> A Macintosh needs plenty of alt keys.
[15:25] <Leerok> Bloody hell, there's only one button on the mouse!
[15:26] <DanaG> Take a look around in Gnome's keyboard settings ... or KDE's, if that's what you use.
[15:26] <Leerok> Can you imagine playing Black and White on a Macintosh?
[15:26] <DanaG> That's one of the reasons I will never buy an Apple laptop.  Another is that OS X just doesn't DO anything for me; I prefer Ubuntu.
[15:26] <Leerok> See if you can find xkb or "regional settings".
[15:26] <orvokki> Leerok: Actually Macintosh supports a mouse with more than one button.
[15:26] <Leerok> I know.
[15:26] <DanaG> That doesn't help the touchpad.
[15:26] <orvokki> True.
[15:27] <DanaG> I use touchpad because it's better for my hands than my MX700 mouse.
[15:27] <orvokki> Though touchpad has three buttons, technically.
[15:27] <binarical-app> yeah thats what im thinking too
[15:27] <Leerok> But Macintosh mice come with one button, and you need to ggo out to get another mouse if you want one with more than one button.
[15:27] <orvokki> One finger, two fingers and three fingers all count as separate buttons.
[15:27] <DanaG> And there's two-finger scrolling, too.  Spiffy.
[15:27] <Leerok> Oh?
[15:27] <DanaG> I have it set so 1-finger tap does nothing, 2-finger is middle, and 3-finger is right.
[15:27] <Leerok> This is news to me.
[15:27] <binarical-app> im using a usb mouse for so as not to have to hassle myself with gui based options
[15:27] <Leerok> I must try this.
[15:28] <DanaG> Look at my xorg.conf for nifty stuff:  www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[15:28] <DanaG> I really need to comment each of those things.
[15:29] <orvokki> Leerok: It requires a bit of practice to get learn how to do the clicks properly.
[15:29] <orvokki> At least it did for me.
[15:29] <Leerok> Interesting, though, to know that multiple contact points means something to the computer.
[15:29] <MrKeuner> hi, GNOME 2.22?
[15:30] <binarical-app> thats something mac has been inovative about
[15:30] <orvokki> Leerok: The funny thing is that with OS X ibook can only take benefit of one and two fingers. Linux can also take benefit of three. :)
[15:30] <orvokki> (With the OS X version I had anyway)
[15:30] <MrKeuner> also, is it possible to enable verbose in nautilus?
[15:30] <orvokki> So the laptop was technically better than their current operating system.
[15:31] <Leerok> What aboutr four?
[15:31] <Leerok> Or perhaps a fist?
[15:31] <Leerok> It would be rather hilarious if a "panic" function were linked to the placement of a fist upon the touchpad.
[15:32] <Leerok> Perhaps resetting the computer or something.
[15:32] <binarical-app> Leerok : with each "new" macbook that comes out... the mouse pad is modified. just like the pinch option for the macbook air is something only the maccbook air can do
[15:32] <Leerok> Hmm!
[15:32] <Leerok> Tell me when the fisting function is released.
[15:32] <Ng> shame they still haven't worked out how to put another mouse button on
[15:33] <binarical-app> ..... that really is just a dumb think to keep mac users away from alternatives
[15:34] <binarical-app> think > (x mac user) gosh what do i do with 2 mouse buttons ..... its so compilcated
[15:35] <binarical-app> oh zeah
[15:36] <binarical-app> i remeber now why i switched back to 7.10.....there seems to be a bug with xmodmap
[15:37] <Kemayo> It's the sound that's doing it for me.
[15:38] <Kemayo> Well, the lack of sound.  Until hardy can detect my sound card, it's not quite for me.
[15:39] <savvas> wav is open source?
[15:39] <binarical-app> Kemayo: why dont you try using a different mixer
[15:39] <Griswold> Kemayo, The real problem is the current hardy kernel is broken.
[15:39] <Griswold> Downgrade that (and all your modules) and it should come back
[15:40] <DanaG> Hmm, -12?  That's been fixed.
[15:40] <binarical-app> the bug seems to be in one of the following > libxklavier lib , x server >or x server is incompatible with libxkb file implamentation
[15:41] <Kemayo> Griswold: I don't suppose you know of the last-working kernel version?
[15:41] <Griswold> Kemayo, I don't.
[15:41] <Kemayo> Eh, I can try trial-and-error.
[15:42] <binarical-app> Kemayo: terminal > sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:42] <binarical-app> ummm first dist-upgrade then update ...srry
[15:44] <rocky> don't suppose anyone's made any progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/194214 ?
[15:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[15:44] <rocky> i'm in X with my keyboard stuck right now :(
[15:44] <binarical-app> go ubotu go
[15:44] <Kemayo> binarical-app: I will certainly give it a try again when I'm back at the machine in question.
[15:45] <DanaG> rocky: temporary fix: go back to xserver-xorg-core 1.4 (not 1.4.1).
[15:45] <binarical-app> Kemayo: can you ssh?
[15:45] <DanaG> It doesn't fix the later packages, but it does unbreak your own system.
[15:46] <Kemayo> binarical-app: Nope, forgot to open the port on the router.
[15:46] <DanaG> However, with nvidia, I've lately been getting complete lockups that require alt-sysrq-k to kill X.
[15:46] <binarical-app> Kemayo: dyndns
[15:47] <savvas> !list factoids
[15:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about list factoids - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:47] <savvas> heh
[15:47] <binarical-app> seriously ubotu rocks
[15:47] <rocky> DanaG: anyway to see what versions are available?  sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1.4 doesn't seem to find the version
[15:49] <DanaG> You have to download the deb manually, from the launchpad page I linked to in my bug comments.
[15:49] <rocky> oh
[15:49] <rocky> ah yes
[15:49] <rocky> i see it
[15:51] <DanaG> I've got to go somewhere, actually; I'll be back some undefined time later.
[15:54] <binarical-app> thanks danaG
[15:54] <dine-o-mite> DanaG, I love undefined times
[15:55] <binarical-app> hehehe
[15:55] <dine-o-mite> and peazip
[15:56] <savvas> is there a free alternative for parallels' plesk?
[15:57] <savvas> except cpanel :)
[15:57] <binarical-app> osx? > Q(kju)
[15:57] <savvas> um no, for a gnu/linux server, probably debian
[15:57] <dine-o-mite> is there any camel wallpaper for ubuntu? i like camels
[15:58] <savvas> hehe dine-o-mite :) await the "cordon camel" 15.04 :P
[15:58] <dine-o-mite> savvas, camels are beautiful animals
[15:59] <dine-o-mite> savvas, they touch me in special place
[15:59] <savvas> I know
[15:59] <savvas> well.. that i do not know :P
[15:59] <binarical-app> cringe ..... wine works well for me. but non gui based... no clue dude
[15:59] <flipstar> dine-o-mite: try http://dearcomputer.nl/gir/?q=camel&s=6&b=Rip+Google!
[15:59] <binarical-app> camels taste good too
[16:01] <savvas> binarical-app: now i understood what you meant, i wasn't talking about parallels, i was talking about plesk that parallels makes, it's just like cpanel for easier server gui manipulation
[16:04] <binarical-app> savvas: my server has no gui. it bloats the system. im giving webmin a whirl.
[16:05] <hydrogen> webmin as an alternative to bloat.. now theres a fairly strange concept
[16:07] <binarical-app> hydrogen: i really dont like gui options for servers
[16:09] <binarical-app> however im more noobish the not, so  follow hot toos and wikis and the like.....where the gurus like to subsitute awsome cli based apps for gui based ones with minimalistic options
[16:12] <pippeus> hallo, i am using hardy 8.04. alpha 6 and after  "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" i cant set driver for my xorg  configurazion, and any resolution, Hz setting at all... can  anyone explain me why?
[16:13] <bastid_raZor> pusleaudio is now the default in heron.. no more alsa?
[16:13] <pippeus> i can set framebuffer keyboard layout variants and option
[16:13] <dine-o-mite> they have heroin now in ubuntu?
[16:13] <dine-o-mite> oh.. heron
[16:13] <pippeus> but then the config just ends
[16:13] <dine-o-mite> sorry
[16:15] <pippeus> any idea?
[16:17] <binarical-app> pippeus: you wouldnt by any chance happen to have a back up of your previous configuration would you ?
[16:22] <jimmygoon> Is there a way of determining when I last updated a package?
[16:22] <dine-o-mite> jimmygoon, do it sober?
[16:23] <jimmygoon> dine-o-mite, huh?
[16:23] <binarical-app> hehe
[16:23] <dine-o-mite> jimmygoon, lay off the weed
[16:23] <flipstar> you might check the timestamp in /var/apt/cache
[16:23] <dine-o-mite> flipstar, it's always 420
[16:23] <jimmygoon> no such file or dir
[16:23] <jimmygoon> dine-o-mite, ironically thats my birthday
[16:24] <dine-o-mite> jimmygoon, that is beautiful, i just wiped a tear
[16:24] <bastid_raZor> only gay boys cry
[16:24] <binarical-app> whos the one shaving here
[16:24] <savvas> jimmygoon: run update-manager it says on the top right corner
[16:25] <jimmygoon> savvas, flipstar, thanks. the dir was /var/cache/apt/archives but it worked
[16:25] <savvas> n/p :)
[16:25] <lightrush> Does pulse audio replace ALSA completely or does it use ALSA to output sound ?
[16:26] <awalton__> it uses alsa
[16:26] <orvokki> (Which creates latency)
[16:26] <awalton__> application -> esound/alsa/whatever api -> pulseaudio->alsa-> ears
[16:26] <orvokki> (Which is bad for games)
[16:26] <awalton__> then again PA is extremely low latency.
[16:26] <serengeti> hi, is the fglrx driver supposed to work with radeon hd2600 in 64-bit hardy? it's been suggested to me by the restricted drivers manager but all I get after a restart is a blank screen
[16:27] <lightrush> awalton__, then please give me some possible explanation to this
[16:27] <orvokki> awalton__: Not as low as native ALSA. ;>
[16:27] <awalton__> lightrush, I just did.
[16:27] <lightrush> awalton__, on Hardy my SB Live 5.1 controls for Front and Rear channels dont work any more - in fact they have no effect whatsoever and there is no output to the rear channel
[16:28] <lightrush>  ( alsamixer)
[16:28] <jimmygoon> my computer is still beeping at me when I close and open the screen and the power button still does nothing
[16:28] <lightrush> if pulseaudio uses ALSA to output - then alsamixer shoyuld still control the volume levels
[16:28] <awalton__> it should. sounds like you've found a bug.
[16:29] <lightrush> ugh
[16:29] <lightrush> sooo
[16:29] <lightrush> maybe I wuld try svnv ersion of ALSA
[16:29] <binarical-app>  jimmygoon: that is a result of a configuration that is network base> the beep is the network pinging you
[16:29] <dine-o-mite> fuck bugs
[16:29] <dine-o-mite> fucking bugs i hate them
[16:29] <dine-o-mite> every day another bug
[16:29] <binarical-app> drink some coffee
[16:29] <dine-o-mite> IT SHOULD BE CRIMINAL!
[16:29] <jimmygoon> binarical-app, what? its the exact instace I close the lid on my laptop... and the exact moment I open it...
[16:29] <binarical-app> with lots of milk
[16:30] <awalton__> lightrush, you might try playing with the drivers a bit, insuring you're loading the right model, etc.
[16:30] <LjL> dine-o-mite, language please
[16:30] <lightrush> awalton__, one more Q - since sun-java is broken for hardy - is icedtea a reasonable replacement?
[16:30] <awalton__> there's plenty of alsa debugging procedures out there.
[16:30] <awalton__> you've got me.
[16:30] <dine-o-mite> LjL, what language
[16:30] <dine-o-mite> LjL, I can speak four languages
[16:30] <LjL> !language
[16:30] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[16:30] <awalton__> I don't use java/.net.
[16:30] <awalton__> I'm allergic to VMs.
[16:30] <lightrush> awalton__, kay - 10x
[16:30] <awalton__> ;)
[16:30] <lightrush> debugging now .,...
[16:31] <jimmygoon> grr, this intel driver is soo slow (and buggy)... seriously, its like my pc is 4 years older than it really is with this driver
[16:31] <jimmygoon> why can't we edit our launchpad posts?
[16:32] <dine-o-mite> oh, ya
[16:32] <dine-o-mite> oops
[16:32] <awalton__> lp doesn't facilitate revisionist historians.
[16:32] <binarical-app>  jimmygoon: i had the same instance and all i found on the subject was located in networking> beep when i am pinged
[16:33] <jimmygoon> binarical-app, where is that at?
[16:33] <jimmygoon> oh I see it. its turned off
[16:33] <jimmygoon> and it happens when my internet is disconnected ;P
[16:34] <binarical-app> i think it was part of ubuntu tweak , or network tools
[16:35] <binarical-app> im not sure but i think network tools comes with ubuntu tweak
[16:41] <jimmygoon> Thank GOD for knowing when fsck is occuring at boot, being able to stop it AND having a progress indicator. I already want to kill myself 100x times less than with gutsy
[16:43] <jimmygoon> compiz still ignores me turning it off
[16:43] <flipstar> just run another window manager
[16:46] <binarical-app> restart x
[16:47] <Wartorn> Why does evolution-data-server-2.22 keep running at 100% cpu all the time? it happened after i ran the ubuntu hardware test it seems, odd enough
[16:50] <jimmygoon> flipstar, what do you mean?
[16:51] <flipstar> try metacity --replace or whatever your window manager is
[16:51] <jimmygoon> flipstar, well, no , I can go back into the appearance dialog and shut it off but it forgets that after reboot
[16:51] <jimmygoon> actually, its fusion-icon's fault I bet. I set the preference in appearance but on reboot fusion-icon remembers its last setting (which was ON) and then turns compiz on
[16:51] <flipstar> maybe editing /usr/bin/compiz helps or whereever it is
[17:05] <MrKeuner> hi, what does this message mean? WARNING **: Hit unhandled case 19 (Not a directory) in fm_report_error_loading_directory
[17:11] <henryvps> I am running ubuntu 8.04 alpha 6. i have the latest nvidia drivers installed. dual monitor with extended view works perfectly, but when i install glx-server to enable fast rendering possibilities the nvidia-settings won't work and i'm also not able to restore the former dual monitor view (anything but faulty twin view isn't possible).. what could be the problem here?
[17:15] <henryvps> when glx-server is not installed and i try to enable normal or extra effects under preferences>appearance an error is shown: The composite extension is not available.
[17:17] <Ienorand> My network (wired) connection is bust after a fairly recent (2-3 days) upgrade, anybody know if this has been reported, and what things I could do to troubleshoot?
[17:19] <Ienorand> ifconfig shows eth0 and I see no specific trouble there, but it does refuse to connect, neither firefox nor upgrades, and its missing from the right-click menu for the network-manager "icon"
[17:23] <ader10> Is there a way to make the progress bar for copying files only be at 100% when it's safe to unmount (ex: you copy a file from your hard drive to your usb flash drive and the copy dialog says complete, but the file isn't completely written)
[17:25] <carwash> Hi, I'm having problems with slow 2d on a nvidia 570m with the newest 169.12 drivers.  The problem was also apparent in Gutsy with the previous drivers.
[17:25] <carwash> ader10, if you turn of caching you should be ok.
[17:25] <carwash> i think its the "sync" option in fstab
[17:25] <ader10> carwash: ok
[17:26] <frank_> ader10: performance will be affected though.
[17:26] <ader10> frank_: how
[17:27] <frank_> ader10: slower write speed. not sure by how much.
[17:27] <frank_> ader10: some people did benchmarks on this I'm google can find them
[17:28] <frank_> ader10 I'm *sure google can find them
[17:28] <finfin82> hi :) i have fglrx installed and use aiglx with compiz so far so good.... I have to insert the kernelmod fglrx @ every time I boot
[17:28] <finfin82> I added an entry to /etc/modules but it doesn't work
[17:28] <ader10> frank_: That's disappointing :P I would have guessed that somebody would have already implemented a way to do this without slower write speed
[17:28] <finfin82> it seems to use the wrong module while booting
[17:28] <Jaded_Jackal> i seek a text mode installer for HH, is this exist?
[17:29] <frank_> ader10: well that's the trade off
[17:29] <finfin82> modprobe fglrx doesn't load the module and give no error
[17:29] <finfin82> any ideas?
[17:29] <frank_> Jaded_Jackal: the alternate install cd is a text installer
[17:30] <Jaded_Jackal> frank_, it is? good thank you
[17:30] <ader10> frank_: I'm sure there's a simple workaround somewhere but it doesn't matter too much
[17:31] <Jaded_Jackal> frank_, is HH good enough to use right now?
[17:31] <Jaded_Jackal> frank_, i make livecd for my company i need newest material of ubuntu
[17:31] <frank_> !hardy | Jaded_Jackal
[17:31] <ubotu> Jaded_Jackal: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[17:31] <Jaded_Jackal> frank_, i thought it was beta freeze tho
[17:32] <frank_> Jaded_Jackal: that doesn't mean things can't go to hell before the release
[17:32] <Jaded_Jackal> frank_, alright, what do I use instead I don't want to use gutsy as a base it's old
[17:32] <Pici> Jaded_Jackal: You wait for it to be released then.
[17:33] <frank_> Jaded_Jackal: well if you want to use a stable ubuntu, that's gutsy
[17:33] <Jaded_Jackal> Pici, I cannot wait that long, I desire the next version beyond all human comprehension
[17:33] <finfin82> <--- no problem with hardy
[17:33] <Jaded_Jackal> frank_, alright thank you
[17:33] <finfin82> except the one I told ;-)
[17:34] <finfin82> anybody knows how to solve the problem, that modprobe tries to load the wrong fglrx-mod?
[17:35] <Jaded_Jackal> finfin82, HH works for you now?
[17:35] <Jaded_Jackal> finfin82, so I make livecd for my company from it?
[17:35] <finfin82> well it works pretty much, no problems so far
[17:35] <finfin82> but I don't know if it is general workin without problems ;-)
[17:36] <Jaded_Jackal> finfin82, i download it anyway i cannot wait
[17:36] <finfin82> ;-9
[17:36] <finfin82> )
[17:36] <Jaded_Jackal> finfin82, the world cannot handle my excitement and desire for HH
[17:44] <Ienorand> Anybody know about broken wired network?
[17:45] <finfin82> what's so special about HH? @ Jaded_Jackal
[17:45] <Jaded_Jackal> finfin82, it is our gift!
[17:46] <Jaded_Jackal> finfin82, no one can handle its power!
[17:46] <finfin82> ;-)
[17:47] <finfin82> bbl
[17:50] <finfin82> the update-app shows me, that there are updates fglrx-kernel-source, xorg-driver-fglrx... but I installed those from the ati-website
[17:50] <finfin82> are this the same?
[17:52] <finfin82> is this channel set to moderated? :-) and I have no voice
[17:55] <UB`> or none knows the answer
[17:58] <crdlb> finfin82: apparently you used the ati installer right on top of an existing fglrx installation
[17:58] <crdlb> which is a rather bad thing to do
[17:59] <finfin82> ic
[17:59] <finfin82> I installed the restricted stuff....
[17:59] <crdlb> installing those updates will either give you back the repo version of fglrx or break your fglrx driver
[17:59] <finfin82> and in /etc/default/linux-rest-mod I told that fglrx is disabled
[17:59] <flipstar> you might consider uninstalling unneded packages
[17:59] <Kemayo> Will installing older linux-kernel packages with apt add them to the grub menu, but leave the existing boot options alone?
[17:59] <finfin82> flipstar: how to do so?
[18:00] <crdlb> finfin82: uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx
[18:00] <crdlb> that should be enough
[18:00] <crdlb> fglrx-kernel-source shouldn't break anything
[18:00] <finfin82> crdlb: this would uninst my installed driver
[18:00] <crdlb> well, yes
[18:00] <crdlb> but that's your fault
[18:00] <finfin82> I need my build driver to run ati in aiglx with compiz
[18:00] <crdlb> you'll have to re-run the ati installer after you're done
[18:01] <finfin82> I already dit this
[18:01] <finfin82> uninstalled everything concerning fglrx
[18:01] <finfin82> set driver to vesa... rebooted
[18:01] <finfin82> and began in step 1 :)
[18:01] <finfin82> same problem...
[18:02] <crdlb> you have xorg-driver-fglrx installed; that's the only possible reason that apt would want to upgrade it
[18:03] <finfin82> the original-ati-stuff builds an xorg-driver-fglrx
[18:03] <finfin82> this is what I have installed
[18:03] <crdlb> eww, don't use that method
[18:04] <finfin82> this is the only way to get aiglx to work with ati?!
[18:04] <finfin82> (and compiz with 3d-support I mean)
[18:04] <crdlb> use the real xorg-driver-fglrx package or use the ati installer
[18:05] <crdlb> finfin82: the real xorg-driver-fglrx package in hardy has a new enough fglrx for AIGLX to work
[18:05] <finfin82> realy?
[18:05] <finfin82> this sounds good
[18:05] <crdlb> of course it does
[18:06] <finfin82> so I can use the update I get offered?
[18:06] <crdlb> you'll have to remove fglx from DISABLED_MODULES
[18:06] <crdlb> fglrx*
[18:06] <finfin82> ahh okay
[18:06] <crdlb> it _should_ work
[18:07] <finfin82> I hope this would work... it was a hard way to get my x1600 aiglx and compiz to work
[18:07] <finfin82> ;-)
[18:07] <crdlb> well, if it doesn't, you can always use the ati installer again
[18:07] <finfin82> in tux we trust
[18:07] <ReL1K> anyone run into any issues with hardy as host and windows as guest with vmware?
[18:07] <finfin82> is there a way to let the ati-installer do all the nasty things?
[18:10] <finfin82> thanks so far... I give it a try now
[18:10] <finfin82> ;-)
[18:22] <finfin82> back again :-)
[18:22] <finfin82> it didn't work :(
[18:24] <Raspberry> anybody else having issues printing from the Firefox Beta 4?  Crashes on "preparing"
[18:24] <Raspberry> I can't find anybody registering a bug on it
[18:25] <flipstar> yep same here
[18:25] <Raspberry> can't even print to PDF
[18:25] <flipstar> printing to file works..
[18:26] <ActiveOne> OMG I have a laptop that actualy supports hardy :)
[18:26]  * IdleOne is so freaking happy.
[18:27] <Raspberry> I didn't have problems with beta 3 although it's a marked as a bug in ff3b3
[18:27] <Raspberry> bug #194486
[18:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194486 in firefox-3.0 "printing in Firefox 3 Beta 3 is broken" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194486
[18:28] <ReL1K> hows the intel gm965 support in hardy?
[18:28]  * IdleOne will be running ubuntu again soon :)
[18:31] <chrisork> hey there. i think i broke my apt. :( can someone please send me a working sources.list?
[18:32] <finfin82> dcc?
[18:33] <finfin82> accept my offer
[18:35] <DanaG> Woah, one of my bootchart images is 23800x9213 pixels.
[18:37] <DanaG> What the heck?
[18:37] <DanaG> And it says it took 15 minutes to boot that time.
[18:38] <flipstar> not a little over-the-top ?
[18:44] <DanaG> (60 gigabytes) / (42 (megabytes per second)) = 24.3809524 minutes
[18:45] <DanaG> er, 43GB, actually.
[18:45] <DanaG> (43 gigabytes) / (42 (megabytes per second)) = 17.4730159 minutes
[19:02] <Ienorand> Anybody else know anything about broken (wired) network?
[19:02] <Milo_Minderbinde> hello
[19:02] <Ienorand> hey
[19:03] <Milo_Minderbinde> Can anyone tell me, how i'm getting this fail during working on the ubuntu 7.10 ?
[19:03] <Milo_Minderbinde> http://www.fotosik.pl/pokaz_obrazek/6b6b1e458df96e80.html
[19:04] <Milo_Minderbinde> i'm working without problems ... then suddenly this screen is comeing
[19:04] <Milo_Minderbinde> and then system is returning to the point in starting system, when i have to log in
[19:05] <Raspberry> Milo_Minderbinde: ask 7.10 questions in #ubuntu
[19:05] <Ienorand> ...May be hibernation because of low power
[19:06] <Milo_Minderbinde> ok, thank you, i'll visit that channel
[19:07] <Ienorand> But seriously, what steps do I take to troubleshoot non-working networking?
[19:08] <Raspberry> look at dmesg
[19:08] <Raspberry> does it ever work?
[19:10] <Ienorand> nope
[19:10] <Ienorand> at least not the wired
[19:10] <Raspberry> you're running hardy?
[19:10] <Ienorand> yes
[19:10] <Raspberry> which alpha?
[19:10] <Raspberry> which kernel?
[19:10] <Raspberry> what model / mfg of wired network card?
[19:10] <Ienorand> update 2-3 days ago broke it, aplha 6, kernel 12
[19:11] <Ienorand> hang on for network model...
[19:11] <Raspberry> you installed alpha6 or you've upgraded to alpha 6?
[19:12] <Ienorand> That was from alpha6 livecd, and alpha6 has been working for a while I think, but now no network, and no updates...
[19:12] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/194860
[19:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194860 in bash-completion "Hardy regressions [bash-completion]" [Low,Fix released]
[19:13] <DanaG> hah, touch file\ 1, then touch file\ 2, then ls fi<tab>
[19:13] <DanaG> you get file\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[19:13] <Raspberry> wow
[19:13] <Raspberry> ouch
[19:14] <Raspberry> Ienorand: so you installed from the alpha 6 live CD? or what  Alpha 6 is only a week old or less
[19:14] <Raspberry> again... what is the MODEL AND MANUFACTURER of your network card and are you running Hardy on a laptop or desktop machine?
[19:15] <Ienorand> yes, installed from alpha6 livecd, worked for a while, and after recent updates networking stopped.
[19:15] <Ienorand> network card is realtek...
[19:15] <Raspberry> ok... there are 100s of models, which one?
[19:15] <Ienorand> RTL9139 "Family fast ethernet NIC"
[19:16]  * DanaG predicts that one of the most frequently asked questions in Hardy will be:
[19:16] <DanaG> Why the $EXPLETIVE does tab-completion not work anymore?
[19:16] <Raspberry> they took tab completion out of bash?
[19:16] <DanaG> (the answer: somebody separated tab-competion into a separate package.)
[19:17] <Ienorand> oh no that should be RTL8139 with an 8
[19:17] <DanaG> !info bash-completion
[19:17] <Raspberry> DanaG: it's still working for me right now :)
[19:17] <ubotu> bash-completion (source: bash-completion): programmable completion for the bash shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060301-3ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 120 kB, installed size 464 kB
[19:17] <Raspberry> I can't believe they'd separate it out
[19:17] <Raspberry> some of the stuff that they're doing in Hardy doesn't make any sense
[19:17] <flipstar> 194860 was fixed today
[19:18] <flipstar> along with few others
[19:18] <Raspberry> like the SCIM stuff... I'm only writing in one language ... why give me three by default and then change my keyboard mappings seemingly at random while I'm in the middle of typing in an application just because I happen to still be holding shift when pressing SPACEBAR to split two words
[19:19] <Raspberry> yeah, I know the SCIM stuff is getting pulled from final release, but man, was that annoying
[19:19] <Ienorand> Isn't that suposed to be changed for final though?
[19:19] <Ienorand> ah...
[19:19] <Raspberry> it's changed now
[19:20] <skeetbadger> quick question: my hardy broke in virtualbox and i cant be arsed to repair, waiting for a working iso instead for a fresh install. is the current daily working ?
[19:21] <Raspberry> Ienorand: type this in a terminal window... what are the results...
[19:21] <Raspberry> Ienorand: lspci | grep -i eth
[19:21] <chrisork> i've got a problem with apt/synaptiv/dpkg: i dont get any updates anymore (for at least 30 hours now). sources.list is ok (original + medibuntu servers). 'sudo apt-get update' downloaded 11megs recently - but apt says nothings going to be updated.
[19:21] <Ienorand> ah, in that case I'll have to boot into ubuntu then...
[19:21] <chrisork> something i can do?
[19:21] <Raspberry> Ienorand: wait
[19:21] <Ienorand> Okays
[19:22] <Raspberry> Ienorand: look at this bug #35683  -- yeah, it's old, but the last comments are from February apparently this is happening again
[19:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35683 in linux "Realtek 8139 ethernet card defect (acpi related)" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35683
[19:22] <Raspberry> and there have been acpi changes in the last few days
[19:23] <Raspberry> Ienorand: here's another comment "It looks like the range that gets reported in the error during the loading of 8139too in your dmesg output is one of the ranges that was allocated to pnp earlier in your dmesg output, and the error is similar. The responder there suggests trying the boot flags: noisapnp pnpacpi=off pnpbios=off but note that the reporter claims that this didn't work for him. Still, you might want to try those."
[19:23] <Raspberry> Ienorand: that's from this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=607953&page=2
[19:24] <Raspberry> Ienorand: apparently the more I read -- people are being pointed here to fix the realtek issue... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=538448&highlight=RTL8139
[19:24] <Raspberry> try that and see if that fixes it
[19:24] <Ienorand> Ok, at least something that speaks of the problem, haven't found anything myself
[19:25] <DanaG> How do I re-enable SCIM by default?  I happen to like it, once you unbind the stupid defaults.
[19:25] <Raspberry> Ienorand: they're specifically noting that it has to do (or can be caused by) dual booting between Windows and Ubuntu on the same machine
[19:25] <Raspberry> DanaG: say it ain't so
[19:26] <DanaG> I do like SCIM.
[19:26] <DanaG> It lets you do nifty stuff like this:
[19:26] <DanaG> R∠Θ
[19:26] <Raspberry> DanaG: after you install the scim packages... is it located in the Services option under System -> Administration menu item
[19:26] <Raspberry> yeah, I don't need to do that
[19:26] <Ienorand> Right... off into ubuntu then...
[19:27] <DanaG> I don't see SCIM in Services.
[19:27] <Raspberry> DanaG: not sure then
[19:29] <DanaG> DVD±R/RW
[19:29] <DanaG> see, handy.
[19:31] <HardyOne> woooooooooooohooooooooooooooo hardy racks !
[19:31] <HardyOne> rocks also lol
[19:32] <savvas> could be racks, could be :)
[19:34] <HardyOne> yeah could be
[19:34] <HardyOne> now all I need is to figure out how to disable this mouse pad and use usb mouse
[19:35] <chrisork> i dont get any updates anymore (for at least 30 hours now). sources.list is ok (original + medibuntu servers). 'sudo apt-get update' downloaded 11megs recently - but apt says nothings going to be updated.
[19:36] <flipstar> try sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:36] <chrisork> erm. did that. nothing.
[19:37] <flipstar> maybe there are no updates for you..?
[19:37] <flipstar> its freeze before beta..
[19:38] <chrisork> oh. maybe thats a solution. :-[
[19:38] <flipstar> not a solution..but a possible reason :)
[19:42] <DBO> my alsasound init script does not work, can any give advice?
[19:44] <KEBA> hello, what packages ive to install for awn? i ionly found tuts how to make it in gusty(with gusty sources...)
[19:44] <HardyOne> !awn
[19:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:45] <HardyOne> KEBA: I think you can try building it yourself using the gutsy debs
[19:45] <savvas> KEBA: sudo apt-get install awn-manager
[19:45] <savvas> ah.. gutsy?
[19:45] <savvas> no idea
[19:46] <HardyOne> KEBA: see if the awn site has hardy debs you can try
[19:46] <flipstar> it exists in hardy!
[19:46] <flipstar> !info  awn-manager hardy
[19:46] <ubotu> awn-manager (source: avant-window-navigator): A manager for the preferences of avant-window-navigator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 27 kB, installed size 320 kB
[19:46] <HardyOne> there ya go
[19:46] <KEBA> HardyOne: oh there i havnet lookd, im an idor, thx
[19:46] <KEBA> savvas: ill try it
[19:47] <savvas> i know it exists in hardy
[19:47] <savvas> didn't he want it for gutsy?
[19:47] <savvas> :p
[19:47] <HardyOne> not sure
[19:47]  * HardyOne is dazed and confused
[19:47] <flipstar> guess not - doesnt make sense
[19:48] <savvas> KEBA: you have hardy or gutsy?
[19:48] <KEBA> other question: when will getdeb.net have hardy files, when the first one uppload or when hardy final is relases
[19:48] <KEBA> savvas: i think in #ubuntu+1 have everyone hardy, yes
[19:49] <HardyOne> packages.ubuntu.net has hardy files I believe
[19:49] <flipstar> yep
[19:49] <HardyOne> or .com
[19:49] <DBO> ok, i got the init script to work (a bit hacky) but does anyone know why also dies on suspend/resume?
[19:49] <savvas> KEBA: yes, but from what you said i couldn't make sense, we have some 'gutsyers' running around :)
[19:50] <KEBA> oh they are a litte bit freaky, i mean its easier to find #ubuntu or #ubuntu-their-state than #ubuntu+1
[19:50] <savvas> i know hehe
[19:50] <fromport> anyone succeeded in using xen on hardy ?
[19:51] <KEBA> fromport: xen under gusty is hard enaugh:P
[19:51] <savvas> fromport: sudo apt-get install linux-xen linux-restricted-modules-xen ?
[19:51] <fromport> :-) true. I like the idea of LTS on hardy.
[19:51] <savvas> never tried it though
[19:52] <KEBA> hmm im to silly to find the hp of awn, or have they "only" a sourceforge page?
[19:52] <fromport> savvas: that part works flawless, after reboot xend is running etc. i can do things like xm info and xm list etc
[19:53] <savvas> so you managed to get it working :p
[19:53] <fromport> than i make a guest (xen-create-image) and that finishes without errors.
[19:54] <fromport> but then when i try and start a guest , the domU can't find it's "harddrive" and barfs and gets thrown in a busybox.
[19:55] <macogw> any breakage in today's updates?
[19:56] <flipstar> beta freeze has begun
[19:56] <Black_Magic> Could my Wireless problem have something to do with loopback?
[19:57] <Black_Magic> well my ::1 Ip in Network-Admin shows ip4-localhost ip6-loopback
[19:59] <KEBA> hmm i havnt found awn.. can you send me a link, please
[20:00] <flipstar> apt-get install awn-manager didnt worked ?
[20:02] <savvas> this is weird.. i can't boot freebsd in vbox
[20:02] <KEBA> yes and no, it works it looks great, but i cant choose other launches, i need the desk switcher
[20:02] <flipstar> vbox >>#vbox
[20:02] <flipstar> vbox >> #vbox
[20:04] <savvas> on my way
[20:06] <KEBA> hmm other question, iv nobody can help: i cant open links with fiefox-2(if i click on a link in pidgin)
[20:06] <flipstar> you have to set this in pidgin itself
[20:10] <flipstar> anyone ever get audacious 1.5.0 working ?
[20:10] <IdleOne> hehe cool I have wobbly windows
[20:11] <flipstar> congratz
[20:11] <IdleOne> oh oh I interupted an update and now I seem to have issues
[20:12] <IdleOne> this is what I got /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another ...
[20:12] <IdleOne> process i believe is th last word
[20:12] <flipstar> !apt-fix
[20:12] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[20:12] <IdleOne> how do I unlock it
[20:13] <IdleOne> ty
[20:14] <IdleOne> yup that helped thank you flipstar
[20:15] <IdleOne> should I keep the local version of smb.conf or use the new one?
[20:16] <IdleOne> kept local version hopefully that was right choice
[20:16] <flipstar> of you made changes keep the old
[20:16] <flipstar> of=if
[20:16] <IdleOne> I didnt make any changes but it must be different from new
[20:16] <flipstar> probably with some frontend
[20:17] <manchicken> Anybody know if the gvfs thing is fixed yet?
[20:34] <HardyOne> !compiz
[20:34] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[20:34] <Caesar> Is there any chance we can get cryptsetup 1.6 into Hardy?
[20:34] <Caesar> Sorry. 1.0.6
[20:36] <jimmygoon> what is that?
[20:36] <Caesar> It's the package that provides disk encryption
[20:36] <jimmygoon> lvm does full drive encryption - you have to use the live disc though
[20:36] <Caesar> We need a feature that was added in 1.0.6
[20:36] <Caesar> Hardy is currently at 1.0.5
[20:37] <fromport> caesar: contact the author the package.. he'll probably can tell you ;-)
[20:37] <Caesar> fromport: it's coredev maintained
[20:38] <johanbr> Hmm. Does anyone have a guess why my panel keeps crashing and spewing "(gnome-panel:29717): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -15 and height 24" in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[20:40] <flipstar> have a nice day.. im out
[20:44] <pen> hi
[20:44] <Ayabara> how can I prevent rhythmbox from launching automatically when I insert an audio-cd?
[20:45] <lamalex> anyone know if they've fixed the java plugin bug yet?
[20:45] <macogw> jimmygoon: what? the alternate is the one that does lvm.  the live cd doesnt do lvm at all
[20:45] <pen> Ayabara: try preferred application
[20:45] <pen> lamalex: what bug?
[20:45] <Ayabara> pen, didn't help. I set sound-juicer, but rhythmbox still launches.
[20:45] <lamalex> pen: it would install but firefox wouldn't recognize it
[20:46] <pen> lamalex: you need some ln hack
[20:46] <lamalex> yeah, did they fix that
[20:47] <pen> Ayabara: I'm not sure about this, but maybe you can disable that in the settings?
[20:47] <pen> lamalex: I managed to install sun java to my FF3
[20:47] <Ayabara> pen, can't find it. since I use amarok I could just remove rhythmbox :-)
[20:47] <lamalex> pen: recently?
[20:47] <pen> lamalex: yea
[20:48] <pen> lamalex: just a few days ago
[20:48] <lamalex> pen: ok then maybe they did, I could have checked on launchpad but uh.. lazy :P
[20:48] <pen> lamalex: :) I will give you the page later if I have time :P
[20:49] <pen> Ayabara: then why don't you remove it?
[20:49] <Ayabara> pen, guess I will, but I was looking for a more elegant solution. thanks for the tip
[20:50] <jimmygoon> macogw, thats what I meant... whoops
[20:50] <pen> Ayabara: youre welcome :)
[20:51] <DBO> Anyone experience alsa failing after suspend/resume?
[20:52] <fromport> DBO: my guess is that they 're not done yet with tweaking of the kernel...
[20:52] <pen> DBO: that happens to me all the time
[20:52] <pen> DBO: but I have no solution to that yet
[20:52] <DBO> pen, does it happen every time?
[20:53] <DBO> because mine does
[20:53] <DBO> fromport, we are entering beta freeze... Im not sure many more changes are going in
[20:53] <pen> DBO: yea, and the wireless and network doesn't work either
[20:53] <DBO> pen, what wireless card do you have?
[20:54] <pen> DBO: intel
[20:54] <pen> DBO: it's a long name
[20:54] <pen> DBO: :p
[20:54] <DBO> pen, iwl3945 driver?
[20:55] <pen> DBO: yea
[20:55] <pen> DBO: that's it
[20:55] <DBO> pen, adding it to my /etc/default/acpi-support whitelist fixed it here
[20:55] <pen> DBO: well, Maybe, but ipw3945 it's probably the one I'm using
[20:55] <DBO> ipw3945 does not come with hardy afaik
[20:55] <pen> DBO: oh
[20:55] <pen> DBO: I see
[20:56] <jimmygoon> bug fixes!! are still needed :(
[20:56] <pen> DBO: thx for the tip
[20:56] <DBO> pen, =)
[20:57] <IdleOne> Seveas, do I need to logout and back in for compiz changes to take effect?
[20:58] <DBO> IdleOne, no
[20:58] <IdleOne> hmmm because I dont see no cube
[20:58] <Seveas> DBO!
[20:58] <Seveas> Haven't seen you in fricken ages
[20:58] <DBO> Seveas my lover!
[20:58] <DBO> I know!
[20:58] <DBO> fix my alsa!
[20:58] <Seveas> kiss my butt!
[20:58] <IdleOne> hahaha
[20:58] <Amaranth> whoa it's DBO
[20:58] <DBO> on it baby!
[20:59] <Amaranth> !amaranth | DBO
[20:59] <ubotu> DBO: Stabbity stab
[20:59] <Amaranth> :p
[20:59] <DBO> wow
[20:59] <DBO> you're the new hobsee eh?
[20:59] <Amaranth> hehe
[20:59] <Seveas> err, I think we can fit four hobbsees in one Amaranth
[20:59] <Amaranth> i dunno, she is kind of tall, isn't she?
[20:59] <DBO> so when can I find crimsun?
[20:59] <Amaranth> i don't remember, everyone looks short to me :P
[21:00] <Seveas> DBO, next to maroon
[21:00] <DBO> not that I am saying crimsun's name to ping him or anything
[21:00] <DBO> so how has life been Seveas?
[21:01] <Seveas> hell
[21:01] <KEBA> under nautilus does fonts:/// not funk! its a meta-dir for all fonts, is this a big?
[21:02] <KEBA> *bug
[21:02] <Seveas> KEBA, yes, it's known not to work in hardy
[21:02] <DBO> or gnome for that matter
[21:02] <Seveas> DBO, my job has been killing almost all my ubuntu contributions
[21:02] <DBO> why?
[21:03] <Seveas> told my boss today that that has to end. I want more colleagues
[21:03] <DBO> Seveas, you need to learn to kill your boss and take his money
[21:03] <Seveas> DBO, neh, boss is useful, he takes care of crap
[21:03] <KEBA> Seveas: does so work on it?
[21:03] <lamalex> pen_: do you know what the ln was?
[21:04] <pen_> !ln
[21:04] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[21:04] <lamalex> pen_: I mean the ln hack for java
[21:04] <lamalex> :P I know what ln is
[21:04] <pen_> lamalex: ok, I will show you the page in a sec
[21:04] <lamalex> haha I hope that everyone running hardy knows ln
[21:05] <pen_> lol
[21:07] <unenough> hi, are there plans for ubuntu to support an optimized parallel boot? ("make" boot)
[21:08] <lamalex> pen_: I got it
[21:09] <pen__> got it?
[21:09] <pen__> I sent you the link
[21:09] <lamalex> pen_: yeah
[21:09] <lamalex> pen_: oh, no. I didn't get that
[21:09] <lamalex> pen_: but I found it myself
[21:09] <pen__> oh
[21:09] <pen__> great
[21:10] <pen__> :)
[21:10] <lamalex> thanks
[21:17] <jin> !upgrade
[21:17] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:19] <jin> how do you upgrade from 7.10 to the beta release?
[21:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sudo update-manager -d
[21:21] <jin> command not  found
[21:21] <jin> oh, worked
[21:23] <DanaG> Ugh, "transmission" upnp doesn't work.
[21:25] <DanaG> "Transmission" torrent client sucks -- its UPnP implementation does not work.
[21:27] <DanaG> How do I fix it, without going to Azureus?
[21:29] <TheInfinity> writing bug report?
[21:45] <ogre> what is command to upgrade to hardy? thatnks in advance :)
[21:47] <ogre> nevermind got it :)
[21:48] <protonchris> ogre: let me know how the upgrade goes.  I was planning on doing the same in the near future :)
[21:49] <ogre> protonchris:  i upgraded last night but ditched windows and decided on a fresh install. it was working great for me
[21:49] <protonchris> ogre: good to hear
[21:50] <ogre> upgrade again in process. i couldnt bring myself to have windows on this box
[21:50] <ogre> dual boot or not
[21:51] <ethana2> we need a 'cannibalize windows' script
[21:52] <ethana2> to take all the artwork and useful .dll files
[21:52] <ethana2> and rip them over to an ubuntu install
[21:52] <ethana2> "Ok, so once you have ubuntu installed, click the NOM button on the deskto-- yup, ok, now wait 30 minutes."
[21:53] <ogre> and better dev in wine
[21:53] <ethana2> codecs and all
[21:53] <ethana2> well WINE would get most of it
[21:53] <ethana2> all the .dll's that it can handle properly
[21:59] <Warbo> Hi, apt-get and aptitude aren't installing packages for me all of a sudden, they download but then they just stop outputting. Anyone know what's up?
[22:02] <ader11> Transmission is very, very slow compared to azureus on the same computer, at the same time, with the same torrents. Does anybody else have this problem or does anybody else know if there is a solution?
[22:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ader11, dont use it then ;P
[22:03] <AmyRose> So... when is Hardy going to be pushed back to June? :D
[22:03] <eklof> AmyRose: hopefully... never.
[22:03] <Warbo> AmyRose: Well SPARC's already gone :P
[22:04] <ader11> [Hardy]TuTUXG: I'm not using it anymore, I'm just wondering if anyone else has the problem or knows a soulution :)
[22:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> that's y pulse audio is a bad idea
[22:06] <ethana2> !info git
[22:06] <ethana2> meh
[22:06] <ethana2> PA is great
[22:06] <jpatrick> !info git-core | ethana2
[22:06] <ethana2> oh, thanks
[22:06] <ethana2> ....uh......
[22:07] <ethana2> i think it's dead
[22:07] <ubotu> git (source: git): GNU Interactive Tools, a file browser/viewer and process viewer/killer. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.3.20-12 (hardy), package size 259 kB, installed size 992 kB
[22:07] <ubotu> ethana2: git-core (source: git-core): fast, scalable, distributed revision control system. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.4.3-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 3007 kB, installed size 6496 kB
[22:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> !botsnake
[22:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsnake - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> !botsnack
[22:07] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[22:08] <ethana2> oh
[22:08] <ethana2> !life
[22:08] <ubotu> life is something very few people know about in this channel - and anyway, it's probably offtopic, perhaps you want to try #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:08] <ethana2> heh, nice!
[22:08] <ubuntutnubu> hallo ppl i am trying to understand why i cant "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" on my brand new hardy
[22:09] <ubuntutnubu> i can just set keyboard options
[22:09] <ubuntutnubu> and thatz all
[22:09] <ubuntutnubu> no monitor, resolution debconf pages
[22:09] <ubuntutnubu> it saves and everything seems to be fine.. but it has always been different before... am i missing some package?
[22:09] <AmyRose> Warbo: Good thing I don't have SPARC, then. :D
[22:10] <ethana2> SPARC is superior
[22:10] <ethana2> and Open
[22:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i wanna buy a sparc lap from sun
[22:10] <ethana2> sparcbook?
[22:10] <AmyRose> Well, why do they call it Slowlaris then?
[22:11] <ethana2> I want to by a sparc laptop from canonical.
[22:11] <ethana2> they need to start selling hardware
[22:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ethana2, they have those stuff before
[22:11] <ethana2> TuTUXG: ..what?
[22:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sun
[22:11] <Warbo> ethana2, no they don't. Just given a -1 to a similar idea on Brainstorm :P
[22:11] <crimsun> erg.  I broke PA.
[22:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> not canonical
[22:13] <calc> does anyone still make sparc laptops?
[22:13] <calc> some *pad company used to iirc but that was many years ago
[22:13] <Warbo> heard on LugRadio that they're completely terrible
[22:14] <calc> ah tadpole
[22:15] <calc> http://www.tadpole.com/products/notebooks.asp
[22:15] <calc> tad... pad... whats the difference ;-)
[22:15] <nrp> wow, thats nuts.  i wonder what kind of battery life that thing gets :p
[22:16] <calc> laptop that weighs 20lbs
[22:16] <calc> "Mobile server consolidation - the 20 lbs Bullfrog replaces a typical 450 lbs server box (with power backup modules) with no loss in performance or connectivity"
[22:16] <calc> thats the marketing angle ;-)
[22:16] <nrp> heh the other two look almost normal sized
[22:16] <calc> it weighs less than a whole rack, so its cool ;-)
[22:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra3/
[22:17] <nrp> though, i suppose its the only way to have 16gb of ram in a notebook :p
[22:17] <calc> hp already makes an 8GB laptop
[22:18] <calc> 16GB probably isn't too far away
[22:18] <calc> but that would take 8 dimm slots, since afaik 4gb dimms are very rare (maybe non-existant for sodimms)
[22:18] <Warbo> calc: But of course it'll come with Vista SP1 which only uses 3 of if :P
[22:18] <Warbo> *it
[22:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Warbo, good joke
[22:19] <calc> Warbo: thats just vista 32bit with PXE off
[22:19] <calc> er not pxe
[22:20] <calc> pae
[22:20]  * calc got his acronyms confused
[22:21] <Warbo> anyone know why aptitude and apt-get aren't installing packages, only downloading them? Or am I forced to dpkg -i from now on? :(
[22:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Warbo, how about synaptic
[22:22] <nrp> Warbo: did you try apt-get -f install
[22:22] <Warbo> nrp: It downloads the packages then just stops outputting, doesn't seem to start dpkg
[22:23] <Warbo> [Hardy]TuTUXG, I'll try once dpkg has finished
[22:23]  * enyc wonders where the rigth places to look for info / current problems are... i would actually like to simply know for my planning purposes approximately when to expect a beta release
[22:23] <Black_Magic__> I fixed my internet problem it was simple but
[22:24]  * Black_Magic__ Somtimes the simplest thing is the hardest to figure out
[22:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sony/ibm should release a cell laptop
[22:25] <ethana2> YES
[22:25] <ethana2> cell laptop, absolutely
[22:25] <Warbo> Ah, I see the problem. I'm trying etckeeper which stores /etc in git, and it's asking me questions which weren't coming up through aptitude
[22:25] <Black_Magic> cell labtop..
[22:25] <ronandi> uh
[22:26] <ethana2> ha¡
[22:26] <ronandi> I need help with a chan admin, I cant send msgs in #ubuntu
[22:26] <ethana2> oh
[22:26] <ronandi> and I wasnts in the channel for several hours
[22:26] <ethana2> is there an #ubuntu-admin?
[22:26] <IdleOne> ompiz fusion ubuntu
[22:26] <IdleOne> errrr
[22:27] <Dr_willis> ronandi,  did you have away messages set to on?
[22:27] <Dr_willis> possibially you got a gagg ban - if you were spamming 'away' type messages
[22:30] <ronandi> hmm
[22:30] <ronandi> perhaps
[22:30] <ronandi> lemmie check
[22:31] <ronandi> yeah that could be it
[22:31] <ronandi> how long does the ban last/
[22:35] <unbanRONANDI> ?
[22:43] <RainCT> enyc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[22:44] <RainCT> ethana2: there's #ubuntu-ops (iirc)
[22:44] <RainCT> enyc: beta should be available around the 20th March
[22:45] <ethana2> RainCT: i was just responding to the other guy..
[22:46] <enyc> RainCT: thankyou!!!!
[22:47] <enyc> RainCT: i get idea beta release often ok if dont then keep doing uphates.. just ignore them and install pkgs instead... for stuff that want to test/use... then re-install system with release....
[22:48] <IdleOne> what package do i need to install to manage / setup wifi?
[22:48] <clusty> was just curious what are the 3 ACPI sensors i am getting for the my core 2 duo
[22:49] <clusty> IdleOne, gnome?
[22:49] <IdleOne> yes
[22:49] <clusty> it works out fo the box
[22:49] <clusty> not very well...
[22:49] <IdleOne> clusty, I cant seem to setup my wifi
[22:49] <clusty> NetworkManager is the process
[22:49] <IdleOne> is there a GUI ?
[22:49] <clusty> this is the gui
[22:50] <IdleOne> hmmm
[22:50] <clusty> put everything in roanming mode
[22:50] <clusty> plug out wired network
[22:50] <clusty> turn on wireless
[22:50] <clusty> and it should show wireless networks in rage
[22:50] <IdleOne> how do I turn on the wirless?
[22:50] <clusty> range*
[22:50] <clusty> laptop?
[22:50] <IdleOne> yes
[22:51] <clusty> what care you have?
[22:51] <clusty> card*
[22:51] <clusty> intel/broadcom/atheros?
[22:51] <IdleOne> Atheros AR242x
[22:51] <clusty> have the right module?
[22:51] <IdleOne> beats me
[22:52] <clusty> think its not supported by default in the kernel
[22:52] <clusty> madwifi drivers i think is your way
[22:52] <clusty> .....just heard
[22:52] <clusty> never had a atheros
[22:52] <IdleOne> !madwifi
[22:52] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:53] <clusty> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201180
[22:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201180 in linux "[hardy] kernel 2.6.24-12 breaks wireless (atheros)" [Undecided,New]
[22:53] <clusty> some dude reported a bug
[22:54] <IdleOne> you know I have not tried kde
[22:54] <clusty> http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=4492814
[22:54] <clusty> check if module is there
[22:54] <clusty> thing is supposed to blink at least
[22:54] <clusty> scanning
[22:54] <clusty> thats kernel stuff
[22:54] <clusty> then check if it behaves right
[22:55] <clusty> lsmod |grep ath
[22:55] <IdleOne> I dont know how to check for module
[22:55] <clusty> just gave you
[22:55] <clusty> lsmod
[22:55] <IdleOne> yeah saw that
[22:55] <clusty> lsmod=list modules
[22:55] <clusty> ...loaded ones
[22:55] <IdleOne> there are 3
[22:55] <clusty> have them?
[22:56] <IdleOne> ath_pci wlan and ath_hal
[22:56] <clusty> what does ifconfig say?
[22:56] <IdleOne> ath_pifconfig
[22:56] <clusty> have eth0/ath0/wifi0
[22:56] <IdleOne> lmao
[22:56] <clusty> ?
[22:56] <IdleOne> to many pc's in front of me
[22:56] <IdleOne> says eth0
[22:56] <IdleOne> but it is plugged in wired now
[22:57] <clusty> do iwconfig
[22:57] <IdleOne> no wireless extensions
[22:57] <IdleOne> lo and eth0
[22:58] <clusty> do a dmesg|grep ath
[22:58] <clusty> do you get unknown symbols?
[22:58] <IdleOne> unknown symbols?
[22:59] <IdleOne> ummm no
[22:59] <clusty> any responses?
[22:59] <clusty> one suggestion: you are in way over your league :D
[22:59] <IdleOne> gimme a sec
[23:00] <clusty> hardy is not for people that can't troubleshoot
[23:00] <HardyOne> ok Im here
[23:00]  * HardyOne is IdleOne 
[23:00] <clusty> dmesg|grep ath
[23:00] <HardyOne> [   30.488138] ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel.
[23:00] <HardyOne> [   30.547466] ath_hal: 0.9.18.0 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)
[23:00] <HardyOne> [   30.812973] ath_pci: 0.9.4.5 (0.9.3.3)
[23:01] <clusty> hmm
[23:02] <HardyOne> hmmm that is good bad indiffrent?
[23:03] <clusty> looks good
[23:03] <HardyOne> :)
[23:03] <clusty> strange though...
[23:03] <clusty> kernel saw it
[23:03] <clusty> modules loaded
[23:03] <clusty> but interface is not there
[23:04] <clusty> normally you get an when device pops up
[23:04] <HardyOne> is there a way of restarting the interface or scanning for it?
[23:04] <HardyOne> knudging it!
[23:04] <clusty> its there
[23:04] <clusty> :D
[23:04] <clusty> kernel seems to have done its job
[23:04] <clusty> think its over my competences....
[23:05] <clusty> hang around more and some guys will ask
[23:05] <clusty> i mean answer
[23:05] <clusty> damn
[23:05] <clusty> 1AM here
[23:05] <clusty> :)
[23:05] <HardyOne> ok thanks clusty
[23:05]  * clusty 's brain feels mushy
[23:05] <clusty> gnite
[23:05] <HardyOne> nite
[23:07] <hmuller> any klibc heroes present?
[23:15] <Black_Magic> Anyone else get: ** (nautilus:8197): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported When running nautilus from terminal?
[23:16] <Black_Magic> i dont have any other monitors attached to computer..
[23:16] <hmuller> Black_Magic: I'm not getting any errors, and am using the daily-live amd64 desktop
[23:17] <Black_Magic> Im x32
[23:26] <lime4x4> anyone got a wireless card that uses a broadcom chip set to work with the bcm43 drivers?
[23:31] <Ienorand> Test...
[23:36] <AmyRose> !test | Ienorand
[23:36] <ubotu> Ienorand: Failed.
[23:37] <Ienorand> !test
[23:37] <ubotu> Failed.
[23:37] <DanaG> !test > ubotu
[23:39] <vox> anyone know why mousekeys would be turning itself on every 2-3 days?
[23:40] <bmk789> who broke virtualbox?
[23:42] <lime4x4> virtualbox is working fine here on hardy 64
[23:43] <bmk789> it didnt want to upgrade correctly
[23:43] <bmk789> had to remove the modules packages then install
[23:44] <lime4x4> don't know what to tell ya
[23:44] <bmk789> its good now
[23:47] <burner> anyone know if the new rhythmbox made it before beta freeze?
[23:55] <DanaG> Odd.. when I hotplugged my Audigy, pulseaudio didn't move my "QuodLibet" media player's stream back to it, even though that's where I put the stream last time I used the device.
[23:56] <nemo> hm. why would my laptop be ripping a CD 3 times faster than my ubuntu desktop?
[23:56] <nemo> given the desktop is newer and has fewer power constraints
[23:57] <nemo> laptop is gentoo
[23:57] <nemo> drives appear roughly comparable. 48x or whatever