| DanaG | I wonder... is it possible to replicate the Nodoka engine with Murrine? | 04:55 |
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| DanaG | Especially with the packaged version of Murrine, I mean. | 04:56 |
| * kwwii is sick today :-( | 09:20 | |
| _MMA_ | nothlit`1ore: What happened with all the wiki work and coordination man? You dropped out. | 12:57 |
| soc | hi | 15:25 |
| soc | are there any plans to discus the ui fonts? | 15:25 |
| soc | at the moment ubuntu uses dejavu sans as a default, which looks very well, but doesn't have the characteristics of an interface font | 15:26 |
| soc | sorry | 15:28 |
| soc | closed the window | 15:28 |
| soc | i would propose testing dejavu sans condensed and droid as an ui font ... | 15:28 |
| soc | droid's auto-hinting looks certainly better than both lucida and tahoma on linux | 15:29 |
| soc | damn! | 15:43 |
| soc | why do i always close that window | 15:43 |
| soc | did i miss something? :-) | 15:43 |
| so1 | hi | 18:26 |
| so1 | are there any plans to discus the ui fonts? | 18:26 |
| so1 | at the moment ubuntu uses dejavu sans as a default, which looks very well, but doesn't have the characteristics of an interface font | 18:27 |
| _MMA_ | so1: I'm pretty sure this is set for Hardy. If you would like to chat about it the -desktop or -artwork mailing lists might be best. | 18:32 |
| kwwii | one of the reasons that we use the fonts we use is that they are the most complete in the most languages | 18:43 |
| Cimi | so1, dejavu has full UTF-8 support | 18:47 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, have you got a minute to discuss Human-Murrine? | 19:01 |
| psyke83 | I also want to bring this bug to everybody's attention: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/195929 | 19:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 195929 in gtk2-engines-murrine "Cosmetic bug: rectangular white outline surrounding rounded buttons" [Low,Fix committed] | 19:02 |
| kwwii | psyke83: I am sick today, catch me tomorrow, ok? | 19:23 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, no prob | 19:23 |
| kwwii | thnx :-) | 19:25 |
| so1 | hi _MMA_, CImi | 19:26 |
| so1 | wouldn't at least dejavu sans condensed be worth discussing then? | 19:27 |
| so1 | it has the same coverage as dejavu sans | 19:27 |
| cOzAtS | hello ppl! | 19:41 |
| cOzAtS | need another graphic designer to help? Total noob in programming but i can help in graphics. Especialy when it comes to print material...:) | 19:48 |
| thorwil | so1: i doubt any condensed font is a good idea as a default | 19:58 |
| thorwil | so1: screen fonts like verdana are rather wide for a reason | 19:58 |
| so1 | thorwil: verdana is a screen font, not an interface font | 20:49 |
| so1 | and dejavu can be considered a screen font too | 20:50 |
| so1 | but both are certainly no interface fonts | 20:50 |
| so1 | they have both excessive letter widths ... | 20:53 |
| _MMA_ | so1: You still haven't mentioned a preference. Though, I think it would be best on a mailing list. It will just get lost here. | 20:53 |
| so1 | i would prefer either dejavu sans condensed or droid | 20:54 |
| Tm_T | so1: what is this "interface font" thing? | 20:54 |
| so1 | Tm_T: look at lucida/tahoma/droid ... | 20:55 |
| so1 | Tm_T: readable fonts _without_ excessive widths ... | 20:55 |
| Tm_T | so1: I fail to see what's wrong with DejaVu Sans Mono | 20:55 |
| so1 | mono? | 20:55 |
| Tm_T | mono <3 | 20:55 |
| Tm_T | so1: or better, Aurabesh | 20:55 |
| Tm_T | so1: oh well, I'm no hu-man, they are weird | 20:57 |
| Tm_T | so1: reference to my usage: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png | 20:57 |
| so1 | my point was that dejavu doesn't really look elegant enough, it is not functional because it wastes too much space | 20:58 |
| Tm_T | roger | 20:58 |
| Tm_T | though I disagree with you, I see now your point | 20:58 |
| so1 | dejavu sans is really ok | 20:58 |
| thorwil | tight fonts are hard to read, especially on screen | 20:58 |
| so1 | nothing bad about it | 20:58 |
| so1 | but the font wasn't built with interfaces in mind | 20:59 |
| thorwil | true | 20:59 |
| so1 | dejavu sans condensed has 99% the same width as tahoma or lucida | 20:59 |
| so1 | dajavu is really wide, like verdana... and i don't know many people who use verdana as an ui font | 21:00 |
| psyke83 | so1, DejaVu Sans Condensed is far too thin and will cause readability issues with many people | 21:02 |
| psyke83 | so1, try changing your fontconfig to autohinter/always subpixel, and then GNOME Appearances to Grayscale/Slight - that makes all fonts more readable, IMHO a better fix than changing fonts | 21:02 |
| thorwil | i was under the impression that dejavu has rather ... normal width | 21:02 |
| Tm_T | it does | 21:04 |
| Tm_T | so1: see my pic, see any "too wide text" there? | 21:04 |
| so1 | Tm_T: which pic? | 21:14 |
| so1 | psyke83: i have that setting already | 21:15 |
| Tm_T | so1: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png | 21:27 |
| so1 | ah ok | 21:34 |
| psyke83 | so1, what about Liberation Sans? | 21:36 |
| _MMA_ | Debian says its not free enough. | 21:37 |
| _MMA_ | Google will show the situation. | 21:37 |
| so1 | psyke83: one moment ... | 22:08 |
| so1 | http://pix-nw.de/_intern/soc/font-comparison.png | 22:14 |
| so1 | here | 22:14 |
| so1 | ok, first we see Verdana and it's clone DejaVu | 22:18 |
| so1 | Verdana is not used as a default ui font anywhere afaik | 22:18 |
| so1 | dejavu is used in ubuntu | 22:18 |
| so1 | the next one is already significantly smaller: lucida | 22:18 |
| so1 | it is used on macs | 22:18 |
| so1 | the next one is dejavu sans condensed, although condensed its width is bigger than most other fonts on this list | 22:19 |
| so1 | then trebuchet ms: used in windows for title bars | 22:19 |
| so1 | droid sans: used on mobile phones with android | 22:20 |
| so1 | then arial and it's clone liberation sans | 22:20 |
| so1 | the last and absolutely smallest one is tahome, used as the default ui font on win 2000, xp and 2003 | 22:21 |
| * _MMA_ is considering using dejavu sans condensed in Ubuntu Studio. Though we set a smaller font than Ubuntu and its not as big a difference in the *size* of dejavu sans condensed 10pt and dejavu sans 9pt. | 22:35 | |
| so1 | _MMA_: it's worth to try out things like 9.5 or 8.5 ... sometimes they look really nice | 23:01 |
| so1 | ^just a suggestion | 23:01 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. Like most of this ongoing chat. :P | 23:01 |
| so1 | i tried to write it up a bit: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4924/ | 23:01 |
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