| dholbach | jamesh: | 07:03 |
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| huats | Morning evryone | 09:33 |
| mvo | hey huats! | 09:37 |
| mvo | hey MacSlow | 09:37 |
| mvo | and seb128 of course :) | 09:38 |
| huats | hello mvo and crevette | 09:38 |
| huats | :) | 09:38 |
| MacSlow | Greetings everybody! | 09:38 |
| huats | and of course "the never quitting the chanel" : seb128 | 09:38 |
| huats | !) | 09:38 |
| huats | morning MacSlow | 09:39 |
| MacSlow | hey mvo, huats, seb128 | 09:41 |
| lool | seb128: Do you use f-spot from time to time? | 09:52 |
| lool | It's often hanging when I close it; I was also surprized not to have anything happening when I plugged my camera in on my Ubuntu desktop | 09:53 |
| lool | (I'm uploading the apport crash ATM) | 09:53 |
| seb128 | lool: yes, I use it to manage my photos | 09:55 |
| lool | seb128: Does it come up for you when you plug your camera? | 09:56 |
| seb128 | dunno about the nautilus action not happening, I didn't look at it recently | 09:56 |
| lool | seb128: Does it hang when you try to close it? | 09:56 |
| seb128 | there was a bug about that IIRC | 09:56 |
| lool | Under Debian, I get a popup to import my photos, but when I chose to, nothing happens... | 09:56 |
| lool | The new version is really superb though | 09:56 |
| seb128 | debian is likely still using gnome-volume-manager | 09:56 |
| seb128 | where we use nautilus gvfs for those actions | 09:56 |
| lool | Ah right | 09:57 |
| lool | NB: my camera does PTP; I don't think it can pretend to be a mass storage device | 09:57 |
| seb128 | that should make no difference to applications using libgphoto | 09:59 |
| hggdh | do we have a problem on glib? Anyone noticed the number of g_slice_alloc SIGSEGV we have on LP? | 10:01 |
| seb128 | hggdh: not that I know, and no | 10:01 |
| seb128 | is that recent? on what components? | 10:02 |
| hggdh | seb128: evolution, npviewer.bin, sshfs, gvsd-trash, gvfsd-sftp, nautilus, totem*, gnome-mplayer, file-roller, evince, and so on | 10:03 |
| hggdh | at least 50 are quite new, with bug #s > 190000 | 10:05 |
| seb128 | hggdh: there is 42 titles with this function on launchpad, not an issue I would say | 10:06 |
| hggdh | seb128, there are also some invalid that were closed for lack of supporting docs... | 10:07 |
| hggdh | but it was just a question... I started to see that on Evo, and cannot see them as an Evo issue | 10:07 |
| seb128 | hggdh: looking at some example they are different issues | 10:07 |
| seb128 | hggdh: well, I would say that's incorrect memory management bugs and they crash in the allocator | 10:09 |
| seb128 | hggdh: ask for a valgrind log as described on the wiki, that will give better indications | 10:09 |
| hggdh | seb128 I do agree... the problem is how long it takes for one to be hit, and there is not much of a chance of one running valgrind for hours... | 10:10 |
| seb128 | hggdh: right, so not a lot we can do | 10:10 |
| hggdh | such is life ;-) | 10:10 |
| seb128 | hggdh: until other indication I tend to thing those are application bugs | 10:10 |
| seb128 | they are usually invalid memory usage | 10:11 |
| seb128 | or using wrong free function | 10:11 |
| hggdh | seb128 usually I would look at the smack on as appl issues, but then we have a lot of appl issues... I do not remember Gutsy as this | 10:11 |
| hggdh | s/at the/at them as | 10:11 |
| seb128 | you mean gusty had less crashers? | 10:12 |
| seb128 | I don't think so | 10:12 |
| hggdh | for g_slice_alloc, yes, AFAICK | 10:12 |
| seb128 | but we had update-notifier buggy and apport was not running until beta or something | 10:12 |
| hggdh | huh, ok, forgot about that... :-( | 10:12 |
| seb128 | well, that could be glib issue, but we don't have enough informations to lead to this right now | 10:13 |
| seb128 | and I don't have every desktop app crashing every 10 minutes either | 10:13 |
| seb128 | I would have say that it could be a gio issue | 10:13 |
| seb128 | but evolution doesn't use gio yet I think | 10:13 |
| hggdh | yep. Will keep on monitoring, just in case. I have another SIGSEGV in poll() to look at, anyways | 10:14 |
| hggdh | seb128: just a comment -- when I started in system programming we had a mitzvah that stated a system library should never fail because of bad input. This is why I raised the issue | 10:18 |
| seb128 | hggdh: was is a bad input? | 10:20 |
| seb128 | hggdh: is doing a 3gigabytes malloc a bad input or just something your system doesn't handle correctly? ;-) | 10:21 |
| seb128 | hggdh: well, anyway those error are not bad input usually, they are things like trying to access a pointer after freeing it | 10:21 |
| hggdh | seb128 -- yes... but, nevertheless, poll(), and g_slice_alloc(), should not die because of that. This is indeed bad input. If the system does not have 3G to give on a malloc, it should return an error, not die | 10:23 |
| seb128 | right, that was a bad example | 10:23 |
| seb128 | that's likely crashes in malloc you get | 10:23 |
| seb128 | usually the crash is not in malloc | 10:23 |
| seb128 | that's just that when you start accessing freeed memory you get corruption | 10:24 |
| seb128 | and that leads to corrupted stacktrace | 10:24 |
| seb128 | that's not because gdb shockes on malloc or another memory handling function that the crash happened due to it | 10:24 |
| seb128 | s/likely/similar to | 10:25 |
| hggdh | yes, the price we pay for not having hardware-enforced boundary checks on memory :-( I remember a system I used to work with that had it) | 10:25 |
| seb128 | yeah, might be, but anyway that's out of the glib scope | 10:26 |
| hggdh | I now agree ;-) | 10:26 |
| lool | hggdh: This can happen when a new type of objects moves to slices and many apps use g_free instead of g_foo_unref() or whatever | 10:31 |
| hggdh | lool: thank you -- I do not use them, so I did not know about that. Will check on Evo for that | 10:32 |
| hggdh | ugh! this will take much longer than I expected, will have to restrict my search... 3916 g_free's, and 1938 g_.*_unref's (evo only, and not counting other variations...) Guess I will have to keep just at the code path that failed... | 10:37 |
| mvo_ | pitti: could you please have a quick look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5763/ ? I would like to upload that, showed up in gutsy->hardy upgrade testing | 10:37 |
| pitti | mvo_: to which binary does this apply? | 10:38 |
| pitti | oh, -dev | 10:38 |
| pitti | mvo_: sure, no problem | 10:38 |
| seb128 | pitti: if you look at the queue could you accept my gdm file-roller uploads there? | 10:39 |
| pitti | seb128: was this discussed with Steve, is he aware of it? | 10:39 |
| * pitti looks at the diff | 10:40 | |
| mvo_ | pitti: thans | 10:41 |
| mvo_ | thanks even :) | 10:41 |
| * pitti hugs mvo_ | 10:41 | |
| pitti | seb128: gdm> ah, speedup love? | 10:45 |
| seb128 | pitti: yes | 10:45 |
| pitti | too bad that we didn't get the improved prefetch thingy into hardy :( | 10:45 |
| seb128 | pitti: no, that was not discussed with Steve, I did work during the weekend but didn't do IRC nor did want to ping him during non work time | 10:46 |
| pitti | seb128: did anyone else test this version? | 10:46 |
| pitti | seb128: curious, how much login speedup does it buy you? | 10:46 |
| pitti | f-roller accepted | 10:47 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks | 10:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: I don't think so | 10:50 |
| mvo_ | seb128: yeah, what do we look like now with the delayed apt-check ? | 10:50 |
| pitti | dholbach: FYI, XS-Vcs-Bzr is now called Vcs-Bzr (just saw it in your gnome-user-docs upload) | 10:50 |
| seb128 | with the current hardy and the prefetch my laptop does 19 seconds | 10:50 |
| seb128 | where it was 36 seconds before starting the changes | 10:51 |
| mvo_ | that sounds pretty good to me :) | 10:51 |
| * mvo_ hugs seb128 | 10:51 | |
| pitti | wow | 10:51 |
| seb128 | between we removed deskbar, tracker, you guys delayed jockey and apport-check and there is prefetch now | 10:51 |
| pitti | apt-check? | 10:51 |
| * pitti didn't delay apport yet | 10:51 | |
| dholbach | pitti: thanks for letting me know - will bear that in mind next time | 10:52 |
| pitti | dholbach: any idea why your upload also removes .pot files? | 10:52 |
| pitti | dholbach: like /user-guide.pot? | 10:52 |
| pitti | well, it's the only pot file removed in fact | 10:53 |
| pitti | dholbach: anyway, accepted | 10:53 |
| mvo_ | pitti: thats the part of update-notifier that checks for updates, its quite IO intensive | 10:53 |
| dholbach | pitti: no idea why it should remove the .pot files | 10:53 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, still enough time to change/fix/revert, so I'll accept it | 10:53 |
| mvo_ | we look pretty good upgrade wise in my current tests (if anyone is interessted :) main-all from gutsy->hardy works, that is something like ~5000 pkgs at the same time | 10:54 |
| pitti | wow | 10:54 |
| pitti | mvo_: anything significant in the /etc diff? | 10:54 |
| pitti | mvo_: I just recently fixed some bugs which led to broken init scripts on update, etc. | 10:54 |
| mvo_ | pitti: meh, sorry, I haven't generated it for this image, its takes quite a bit to build the reference image | 10:55 |
| * mvo_ needs to fix that | 10:55 | |
| pitti | mvo_: libgphoto2 accepted | 10:55 |
| mvo_ | great, thanks pitti! | 10:55 |
| * mvo_ hugs pitti | 10:55 | |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks | 10:55 |
| seb128 | pitti: yes, apt-check, sorry ;-) | 10:56 |
| * pitti takes off the deputy RM hat again and goes back to bug triage | 10:56 | |
| pitti | seb128: apport crash check is done by update-notifier, I don't think that it imposes a lot of overhead | 10:56 |
| pitti | and it's already delayed a bit | 10:57 |
| seb128 | yeah I noticed | 10:57 |
| seb128 | but it's not a lot of IOs | 10:57 |
| seb128 | right | 10:57 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, bug 202457 | 11:18 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 202457 in gnome-volume-manager "Preferences option for Removeable Drives doesnt control Removeable drives" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202457 | 11:18 |
| pitti | seb128: seems that we shuold rename this menu entry | 11:18 |
| seb128 | indeed | 11:18 |
| pitti | I'll report it upstream, we shuoldn't have ubuntu specific strings | 11:19 |
| seb128 | right | 11:21 |
| seb128 | upstream didn't change g-v-m yet though | 11:21 |
| pitti | (done) | 11:25 |
| pitti | seb128: well, since GNOME did change nautils, the 2.20 upstream release is quite broken in that regard? (double mounting) | 11:25 |
| pitti | or did they disable nautilus automounting? | 11:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: it's broken I think | 11:26 |
| seb128 | 2.22 you mean, right? | 11:26 |
| seb128 | 2.22.0 is a bit rough on the edges | 11:26 |
| pitti | mvo_: can you please have a quick look at bug 202548? is it possible to leave postgresql-X.Y installed after upgrade, even if it is in universe? | 11:30 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 202548 in update-manager "Upgrade 7.10 to 8.04 should preserve previous DB data" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202548 | 11:30 |
| pitti | "[Bug 202994] Re: Nautilus opens more pipes than a plumber" | 11:38 |
| * pitti chuckles | 11:38 | |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 202994 in esound "Nautilus opens more pipes than a plumber (dup-of: 183411)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202994 | 11:38 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 183411 in esound "libesd leaks pipe file descriptors" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183411 | 11:38 |
| lool | haha | 11:38 |
| seb128 | pitti: any reason this fix didn't make to gutsy-updates by now? | 11:41 |
| pitti | seb128: nobody followed up with any kind of testing confirmation | 11:42 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:42 |
| pitti | three people shouting "installed that version, no problems encountered" would be enough | 11:42 |
| pitti | I'm not that fussed about reproducing the bug and test cases, etc. | 11:42 |
| pitti | but about "OMG the package miscompiled, and now everything is crashed" | 11:42 |
| pitti | crashing, even | 11:42 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, just noticed that nautilus now opens f-spot? or at least, is supposed to? | 11:43 |
| seb128 | well, we have the change in hardy for month, and it's not exactly complicated | 11:43 |
| seb128 | pitti: it's supposed | 11:43 |
| * pitti ponders dropping g-v-m completely for hardy | 11:44 | |
| pitti | it's an almost useless daemon nowadays | 11:44 |
| Ng | would stuff like camera photo importing still happen without it? | 11:47 |
| seb128 | Ng: <pitti> seb128: oh, just noticed that nautilus now opens f-spot? or at least, is supposed to? | 11:47 |
| Ng | oh, yes backscroll. doh ;) | 11:48 |
| Keybuk | pitti: really? I thought it still did the HAL event->open program glue? | 11:48 |
| pitti | sane and f-spot are the only two programs left in g-v-m | 11:48 |
| pitti | Keybuk: most of it went into nautilus in 2.20 (gvfs) | 11:48 |
| Keybuk | where has that glue moved to for other things? | 11:48 |
| Keybuk | ahh | 11:48 |
| pitti | nautilus doesn't handle scanners, though | 11:49 |
| pitti | meh, this should really have been thought out much better by upstream for the final release | 11:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: upstream has limited manpower and an huge quantity of things to do there | 11:52 |
| pitti | right, I understand | 11:52 |
| pitti | seb128: WDYT, should we add scanners to nautilus and drop g-v-m, or keep gvm for scanners only? | 11:52 |
| pitti | (or just ignore scanners and have people open xsane/gimp manually?) | 11:53 |
| pitti | personally I find the xsane popup quite annoying, but that's just me maybe | 11:53 |
| seb128 | pitti: do you think the options which are not used by default are useful to some users? | 12:01 |
| pitti | seb128: the ones for video cam, web cam, and PDA are, IMHO | 12:02 |
| pochu | hi all | 12:03 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, so better to keep it running | 12:03 |
| mvo_ | pitti: sure, I can add postgresql-8.2 to the removal blacklist | 12:22 |
| pitti | mvo_: that would be great | 12:22 |
| pitti | mvo_: postgresql-* in general maybe? | 12:22 |
| pitti | since we'll hit the same problem with every release | 12:22 |
| pitti | and people upgrading from dapper will upgrade 8.1 to 8.3 | 12:22 |
| mvo_ | pitti: sure, that would work too, isn't poststres-* a bit too generic? how many packages do we have that look like that? | 12:24 |
| pitti | mvo_: that would include the -client, -contrib, -plpython, etc., too | 12:26 |
| pitti | but in order to not break your existing DBs, you need them, too | 12:26 |
| mvo_ | aha, ok | 12:27 |
| pitti | mvo_: there might be some extensions, though, I see what you mean | 12:27 |
| pitti | ah, but not in main | 12:27 |
| pitti | but if they were, they should be kept, too, IMHO | 12:27 |
| pitti | mvo_: since they should all depend on the server, removing the server version later will remove the extensions, too | 12:28 |
| mvo_ | pitti: ok, I added it to the blacklist now | 12:31 |
| gicmo | pedro_: hey there | 12:38 |
| pedro_ | hey gicmo | 12:38 |
| gicmo | pedro_: about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/199301 | 12:39 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199301 in gvfs "gvfs-fuse-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_mutex_lock()" [Medium,Triaged] | 12:39 |
| gicmo | pedro_: that is most likely not a gvfs bug | 12:39 |
| gicmo | pedro_: its crashing inside fuse | 12:39 |
| pedro_ | gicmo: ok, will re assigned it then, thanks you | 12:39 |
| gicmo | pedro_: wait a sec | 12:39 |
| gicmo | pedro_: also http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522944 like a bit like it was the same issue | 12:40 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 522944 in gphoto backend "gvfsd-gphoto2 crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_mutex_lock()" [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 12:40 |
| gicmo | any chance somebody fucked up libc or pthreads or something in ubuntu? | 12:40 |
| gicmo | mvo_, pitti? | 12:40 |
| pedro_ | gicmo: does this works for you? bug 203041 | 12:42 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 203041 in nautilus "davs:// protocol is not properly supported" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203041 | 12:42 |
| gicmo | pedro_: that is a nautilus issue | 12:45 |
| gicmo | pedro_: see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522445 and dups | 12:45 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 522445 in GIO "connect to server error" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] | 12:45 |
| hggdh | by the way, seb128, evolution *is* using gio | 13:01 |
| seb128 | hggdh: to do what? | 13:05 |
| hggdh | I do not know yet... I just saw it on a bt | 13:05 |
| hggdh | on e-d-s | 13:06 |
| hggdh | but I still hope it is not a direct use, searching for it | 13:09 |
| slytherin | gicmo: dholbach told me to contact you. I was trying to fix evolution-scalix FTBFS. I created patch for configure(.in). But I am not able to solve compilation problems. | 14:05 |
| gicmo | hey slytherin | 14:06 |
| gicmo | FTBFS?! | 14:06 |
| gicmo | ;-) | 14:06 |
| dholbach | fails to build from source | 14:07 |
| slytherin | gicmo: The version, 10.0.1.1-0ubuntu2 which was supposed to be rebuild against latest libcamel fails to build | 14:07 |
| dholbach | bug 193764 | 14:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 193764 in evolution-scalix "evolution-scalix FTBFS with current evolution" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193764 | 14:07 |
| dholbach | I pinged you about it as I didn't know | 14:07 |
| dholbach | bug 198733 might be the same problem | 14:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 198733 in evolution-scalix "evolution-scalix not installable on hardy (missing libcamel)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198733 | 14:08 |
| slytherin | gicmo: in fact this was the first time the package was changes in hardy. The last changelog entry is from feisty. | 14:08 |
| gicmo | ohh, hmm I have stopped using scalix myself and I am not working for them anymore so I wouldnt notice, but lets see what I can do about it | 14:08 |
| * dholbach hugs gicmo | 14:09 | |
| * gicmo hugs dholbach ;-) | 14:09 | |
| slytherin | gicmo: I will attach my diff.gz tonight to the bug which will at least run configure script without fail and start compilation. You can take it from there. :-) | 14:09 |
| gicmo | slytherin: thanks | 14:11 |
| slytherin | gicmo: oops, someone has already attached patch for configure failure. I will check if it is better than me? | 14:11 |
| gicmo | as long as it picks up the right stuff, I dont care where it is coming from ;-) | 14:12 |
| seb128 | pitti: are you fine doing approvals or should I rather wait for steve? | 14:23 |
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| lool | seb128: Hmm the totem mythtv plugin pulls a lot | 16:53 |
| lool | seb128: libgmyth, libmysql, mysql-common... | 16:53 |
| lool | LP #191952 | 16:55 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 191952 in gst-plugins-bad0.10 "Remove mysql dependency for LPIA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191952 | 16:55 |
| seb128 | lool: I'm pondering creating a totem-plugins-universe and move things there | 17:07 |
| lool | seb128: Good idea | 17:08 |
| seb128 | that would allow having bugs about totem not depending on python-gdata for example | 17:09 |
| seb128 | there is quite some plugins which have extra depends or are not really stable | 17:09 |
| Amaranth | mvo: so is there any hope of getting a new snapshot in before beta? :) | 17:12 |
| mvo | Amaranth: not really, htat is going to be very difficult. however, if we can point to a number of LP bugs that are fixed with it, the chances will raise dramatically | 17:13 |
| huats | mvo: hello | 17:22 |
| huats | mvo: any idea why gnome-commander has not been built in i386 ? | 17:22 |
| Amaranth | mvo: alright, let me try to make a list here :) | 17:23 |
| Amaranth | mvo: huge one right here http://bugs.opencompositing.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793 | 17:26 |
| ubotu | bugs.opencompositing.org bug 793 in Core "Impaired UI performance with Firefox in full screen mode (F11)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 17:26 |
| Amaranth | basically all the problems with fullscreen apps when using unredirect fullscreen windows seem to be solved | 17:29 |
| Amaranth | and unredirect fullscreen windows works correctly when the app changes the screen resolution | 17:29 |
| Amaranth | vuntz: it looks like a recent commit to compiz is going to break how libwnck deals with compiz window decorations | 17:36 |
| Amaranth | the bit added to libwnck to account for window decorations when moving a window, specifically | 17:37 |
| Amaranth | http://cgit.compiz-fusion.org/compiz/commit/?id=61f8473ed79d679f0c9dd068340b14ad964dda12 | 17:37 |
| vuntz | Amaranth: hrm | 17:41 |
| vuntz | Amaranth: I think it's already fixed in libwnck 2.22.0, isn't it? | 17:42 |
| Amaranth | vuntz: isn't the fix to take window decorations into account before moving? | 17:43 |
| Amaranth | it seems like this commit to compiz will make libwnck move things too far now | 17:43 |
| Amaranth | but i haven't tested so i might be wrong | 17:43 |
| vuntz | Amaranth: there are two kinds of move :-) | 17:45 |
| vuntz | either with decorations or without decorations | 17:45 |
| vuntz | we're missing one public API for the one without decorations, though, iirc | 17:45 |
| vuntz | and the one "with decorations" was broken and has been fixed for 2.22.0 | 17:46 |
| Amaranth | ah | 17:46 |
| Amaranth | vuntz: don't suppose you got a chance to look at my patch for scrolling on the workspace switcher with compiz :) | 17:47 |
| vuntz | Amaranth: not yet, but later this week | 17:48 |
| vuntz | Amaranth: there are 4-5 libwnck patches I want to commit | 17:48 |
| crevette | Amaranth, you should read that http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gdm/trunk/ChangeLog?revision=6031&view=markup | 18:02 |
| crevette | at least the first commit :) | 18:02 |
| Amaranth | neat but that's intrepid stuff | 18:03 |
| crevette | I don't like the key name | 18:03 |
| crevette | the name is harcoded, I would have preferred custoim_wm | 18:04 |
| crevette | custom_wm, or something like thazt | 18:04 |
| crevette | something which would have more WM agostic | 18:05 |
| crevette | agnostic | 18:05 |
| crevette | anyway, time to go back home, see you | 18:07 |
| mvo | lool: I would like to upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/5786/ - is that ok with you? the "fix" works around a problem in the apt ordering code | 18:19 |
| lapo | ciao | 19:12 |
| mvo | Amaranth: what is up with the session plugin? another abi change? | 19:12 |
| Amaranth | yes :/ | 19:13 |
| Amaranth | maniac redid the mechanism for getting session events | 19:13 |
| mvo | Amaranth: ok, thanks. I noticed the load of fixes in compiz git, its pretty amazing. I will have a log at the git log but my guess is that we will have a hard time pushing more than specific patches at this point, may get easier after beta again | 19:18 |
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| lool | mvo: But how do we guarantee that people don't install nautilus 2.20 with the new glib? | 20:03 |
| lool | well << 2.20 rather | 20:03 |
| mvo | lool: I'm investigating currently, maybe there is a better way | 20:03 |
| mvo | lool: its a bit of a desperate move from my side :) | 20:03 |
| lool | mvo: Ack; if you don't find a way, let's do this | 20:04 |
| alex-weej | is there something that can be done about CPU load drastically affecting audio performance? | 21:44 |
| alex-weej | since the switch to PulseAudio it's gotten a lot worse | 21:44 |
| alex-weej | but it was bad even with just ALSA | 21:45 |
| lool | Check whether you have freq scaling | 21:45 |
| alex-weej | stuff is underrunning like mad as i run updates | 21:45 |
| alex-weej | lool: what is that and how do i do it? | 21:45 |
| lool | alex-weej: Does your CPU frequency change depending on the load? | 21:46 |
| lool | This might cause audio glitches | 21:46 |
| alex-weej | i don't think so, it's a Pentium 4 | 21:46 |
| * lool goes to bed now & | 21:46 | |
| alex-weej | ah xorg is eating all my CPU time | 21:46 |
| alex-weej | christ on a bike | 21:47 |
| alex-weej | it was the new system monitor graphs eating all my time | 21:47 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: that's a known issue | 21:50 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: likely cairo being slow on your video card or driver | 21:50 |
| alex-weej | seb128: it's more like it's saturating the server with drawing commands | 21:50 |
| alex-weej | try resizing it as it draws and it continues servicing old drawing requests for the wrong size | 21:50 |
| seb128 | cairo performances are bad with some drivers | 21:51 |
| alex-weej | ati here, ftr | 21:51 |
| seb128 | are you use EXA or XAA? | 21:52 |
| alex-weej | i'm not sure to be honest, but given that the "smooth" scrolling barely works i think we should find a way to disable it for hardy release | 21:52 |
| alex-weej | most people report that it jerks | 21:52 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: grep for EXA and XAA in you Xorg.0.log | 21:53 |
| alex-weej | This is a pre-release version of the X server from The X.Org Foundation. | 21:54 |
| alex-weej | uh... | 21:54 |
| alex-weej | bug in log viewer :P | 21:54 |
| alex-weej | XAA | 21:54 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4320 | 21:56 |
| ubotu | Freedesktop bug 4320 in Driver/Radeon "Over from xrgb8888 pictures not fast-pathed in XAA" [Normal,Assigned] | 21:56 |
| alex-weej | Secure Connection Failed | 21:56 |
| alex-weej | ephy/xulrunner is absolute crap since Fx 2.0 :( | 21:56 |
| alex-weej | any idea if ephy/webkit is likely to be supported soon? | 21:56 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: not this cycle, webkit is not usuable yet | 21:57 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: you should be able to accept certificates now, no? | 21:57 |
| alex-weej | i am really pissed off that the design of xulrunner even seems to let any of this stuff seep through | 21:57 |
| seb128 | I copied the firefox on some weeks ago so I didn't notice if that has been fixed yet or not | 21:57 |
| alex-weej | no obvious way to do it seb | 21:57 |
| seb128 | open the website in firefox | 21:58 |
| alex-weej | oh right... that doesn't count :P | 21:58 |
| seb128 | and copy cert8.db | 21:58 |
| alex-weej | there are buttons to do it in Firefox on the chrome page | 21:59 |
| seb128 | yes, epiphany should do the same | 22:00 |
| seb128 | asac should know better about that | 22:00 |
| alex-weej | speaking of this... has anyone ever expressed any interest in getting a "gnomebuntu-desktop" metapackage made up? | 22:04 |
| asac | certs is the last important fix we need | 22:08 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: we have ubuntu-desktop | 22:08 |
| alex-weej | asac: ah, about:config is working now i see :D | 22:09 |
| asac | gtk | 22:09 |
| alex-weej | seb128: ubuntu-desktop is a bit of a mish mash though, pidgin over gossip, compiz over metacity, firefox over ephy? | 22:09 |
| alex-weej | the kubuntu guys get to have kontact, kwin, konq | 22:09 |
| alex-weej | having a gnomebuntu metapackage at least would be useful for people wishing to use all gnome software | 22:10 |
| alex-weej | asac: gtk? | 22:10 |
| asac | good to know | 22:10 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: you can install gnome-desktop-environment from universe | 22:10 |
| alex-weej | asac: ? | 22:13 |
| calc | isn't there some new gdm gui that is supposed to be in hardy? | 22:24 |
| calc | or did that not make it in time for this release? | 22:24 |
| * calc installed fedora 8 yesterday in vmware and thought their gdm was nifty | 22:25 | |
| tedg | calc: It was decided early on to push it to the next release. | 22:25 |
| calc | tedg: ah ok | 22:25 |
| calc | tedg: i had forgotten about it until i saw the fedora gdm yesterday | 22:25 |
| pochu | calc: in fact GNOME 2.22 ships with gdm 2.20 IIRC | 22:30 |
| calc | pochu: ah, yea that makes sense given what i heard about gdm 2.22 | 22:32 |
| calc | pochu: aiui gdm 2.22 is a complete rewrite | 22:32 |
| pochu | yes, http://live.gnome.org/GDM/NewDesign has the details | 22:35 |
| alex-weej | asac: have you noticed that trying to edit properties in about:config doesn't work? i get a dialogue with no text, no window title, and just a text field, ? icon and OK and Cancel (that don't do anything when you click them) | 22:55 |
| alex-weej | only way to get it to go away is to hit the window X | 22:55 |
| alex-weej | (and it doesn't actually apply the setting you typed) | 22:55 |
| seb128 | slomo: did you try the new totem youtube thing? | 23:17 |
| seb128 | slomo: bug #203336 seems to be a gstreamer issue | 23:18 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 203336 in gstreamer0.10 "Youtube plugin don't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203336 | 23:18 |
| slomo | seb128: will test in a few minutes | 23:18 |
| slomo | seb128: thanks | 23:18 |
| alex-weej | is VT switching completely broken now in Hardy? last time i checked, consolekit was doing something funky that just took me straight back to my X VT | 23:29 |
| alex-weej | but now the ctrl+alt+f-keys don't even do anything | 23:30 |
| Amaranth | works great here | 23:32 |
| Amaranth | it even mutes sound when you switch away from the VT where sound is playing | 23:32 |
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