[00:01] cody-somerville: I think the changelog entry you have now is fine. [00:03] ScottK2, there was one more package that we realized needed to come back with that whole MythTV 0.21 suite backport. mythstream needed to be rebuilt against the new libmyth-dev. Since it was already backported once before, can a sourceful upload to gutsy-backports do the trick? [00:05] superm1_: So it's already in guty-backports? [00:06] ScottK2, yes from a few months back [00:06] superm1_: And there's no new version to be backported, just updating the one that's there? [00:06] well there is a patch to let it build against the new libmyth, but no new upstream version on it [00:07] superm1_: OK. File a gutsy-backports bug with the debdiff and subscribe me to it. [00:08] bug 202988 was already filed for it just building the newer version. i was just looking to avoid pulling a backporter and an archive admin into the loop if not necessary. [00:08] Launchpad bug 202988 in gutsy-backports "Please backport mythstream 0.18.1 from hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202988 [00:08] i'll subscribe you to that [00:17] Are upgraded packages (universe) accepted during a beta freeze? [00:25] universe is on manual during beta freeze, i.e. an archive admins needs to push the upload through the queue [00:26] geser: thanks. [00:26] geser, what's the reasoning on that i'm curious? Universe doesn't go into the live disks [00:28] superm1_: a limitation in soyuz. it's not possible to freeze uploads to main but accept those for universe [00:28] geser, ah okay that makes more sense then [00:28] geser: In that case, are you up for taking a look at a package and potentially sponsoring an upload? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glom/+bug/201385 [00:28] Launchpad bug 201385 in glom "Hardy: Please update glom to latest version" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [00:30] protonchris: I'm about to go to bed right now [00:30] geser: No problem. Thanks anyway. [00:33] superm1_: I now have 2 packages that I build, one depends on the other. [00:33] superm1_: Thanks again!! [00:34] One question, how difficult is it to prompt the for 2 pieces of information when installing a package? (and when dpkg-reconfigure is used) [00:34] I've seen postfix do this. [00:35] debconf is the tool that's used [00:39] ScottK2: the email is still waiting for moderator approval on motu-council [00:40] YokoZar: OK. Just making sure. [00:41] YokoZar: You might consider subscribing to the list and then resending. [00:41] ScottK2: Maybe, though I was under the impression that all council members had moderator status, so it didn't really matter [00:41] Dunno. [00:42] It's also good for if they don't CC you on a reply. [00:45] PMantis, i do that it my package as well [00:45] you can look at it's postinst to see what i do [00:50] superm1_: Oh, looking again [00:55] superm1_: Ahhh, config file. runs db_input [01:10] Heya gang [01:10] hey bddebian [01:10] Hello protonchris [01:11] bddebian: Are you up for taking a look at a package and potentially sponsoring an upload? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glom/+bug/201385 [01:11] Launchpad bug 201385 in glom "Hardy: Please update glom to latest version" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [01:24] oh. [01:24] F****. [01:24] remount root rw first, then start lrm [01:25] and for that matter udev dislikes starting without a writeable filesystem too [01:25] * jdong grumlbes and pulls out a LiveCD [01:25] and THIS is why you don't arrogantly assume that your upstart rules are right the first time :D [01:28] superm1_: Can you please explain the "upgrade" section of the preinst file? It does a dpkg --compare-versions, db_inputs again. [01:37] ok, breaking upstart really hurts. [02:06] lsmod [02:06] ups, wrong window [02:35] I need a little light set on this. I created a config file with db_input lines, but it's not asking for input upon package install. What did I miss? [02:36] Does your postinst include the debconf confmodule? [02:41] hello there [02:52] StevenK: Yes it does. [02:52] PMantis: Okay, so it should at least run your config script. [02:52] PMantis: Does dpkg -I mention it? [02:54] StevenK: I don't know what I'm looking for. I see the output though. [02:54] It shows: ii packagename [02:55] 3rd is blank [02:55] dpkg -I [02:55] Capital eye, as it were [02:55] Heh, got it. :) [02:56] That takes a .deb argument, though [02:56] Yeah, got the output... [02:56] It lists that files that I'd expect. post/pre/config/remplates... [02:56] err templates [02:57] Okay, can you pastebin your postinst? [02:57] Oh, do you call dh_installdebconf in your rules file? [02:58] StevenK: Only one line in rules: [02:58] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk [02:58] besides the she-bang, of course [02:59] It will probably run dh_installdebconf [03:01] StevenK: Output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5755/ [03:01] I hacked it to avoud placing me email addr there. [03:02] PMantis: Oh, I wanted your postinst, not the output of dpkg -I [03:02] heh, ok [03:02] StevenK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5756/ [03:03] I stole much of this from superm1_ :-) [03:05] Oh crap [03:06] StevenK: I have 2 "configure" ... created from testing. I'll try again. [03:07] StevenK: Still unknown template field errors... but it works, and dpkg-reconfigure works, too. [03:07] PMantis: Sourceing the confmodule should be done the line after #!/bin/sh [03:08] ciao [03:08] Ok, rebuilding. [03:08] That didn't fix it, but glad to be more compliant. :) [03:11] Is it supposed to be _Description: ? [03:12] StevenK: Ahhhhhh, I removed the underscore, and ti's working righ. [03:12] right [03:13] StevenK: Thanks for your help [03:13] PMantis, that underscore is for translation support [03:14] For some reason my computer doesn't like it [03:15] Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [03:15] not-using-po-debconf [03:15] That's for translations [03:23] Hmm [03:23] Dunno if that's related, or correct [03:24] lintian showing: E: sbs-uts: section-is-dh_make-template [04:19] debchange -i causes a 0ubuntu1 entry. I'm not part of ubuntu. How do I change the default behavior? [04:19] wasnt debchange written for ubuntu? [04:21] debchange was written for Debian, quite a while ago [04:21] PMantis: Just edit the entry in debian/changelog to what you want then. [04:22] PMantis: If you aren't doing this for Ubuntu, what are you doing it for? [04:22] Myself [04:22] ahk. never seen it [04:22] OK. You can use whatever version numbering you want then. [04:23] but it does help signify it being built for Ubuntu if that matters [04:23] kgoetz: aka, "dch"? [04:23] when I use a -0ubuntu1 type of versioning, debuild complains that it ubuntu names, but maintainer isn't @ubuntu.com [04:23] slangasek: oh, i have used dch :$ [04:23] PMantis: should be just a warning though [04:23] PMantis: try dch -i -U [04:24] or possibly just dch -U, I don't remember [04:24] There's always man dch [04:24] Ahh, yes. [04:25] -i to increment, -U seems to keep the ubuntu out of the version. [04:57] heya [07:03] jamesh: [07:04] dholbach: good morning to you to :-) [07:04] hey LaserJock [07:04] how are you doing? [07:05] doing OK I guess [07:05] staying up working on some research programming [07:05] and discussing C/Fortran/Python with nixternal [07:06] dholbach: had a chance to look at the ubuntu-motu mail? Emmet sent an email about a project we did this weekend :-) [07:07] the MOTU Leaders email [07:07] ? [07:07] yeah [07:07] I like it a lot :) [07:07] great work on it [07:09] dholbach: I think it's significant that we have about 16 out of 83 MOTUs in leadership roles [07:10] yeah, that's awesome - we could do with some more in the sponsoring team and probably add some roles to it, but other than that it's brilliant [07:10] now all I have to do is become a MOTU, then we can bump that to 17 [07:10] muhehe [07:11] * LaserJock slaps nixternal [07:11] * nixternal runs off crying [07:11] * superm1_ gives nixternal a cookie [07:12] dholbach: the goal was to get everybody in the "MOTU Leader" positions to provide an item to the MOTU monthly report [07:12] see, Mario showin' that Chitown mob boss type love [07:12] a cookie today, a dead fish tomorrow [07:12] haha [07:12] dholbach: as a way to show off what all is going on in MOTU Land [07:12] superm1_: we were talking about you today at the LUG meeting...about Myth [07:12] good things i'd hope :)? [07:12] I need to put this guy D in touch with you, super cool guy that is interested in Myth [07:13] LaserJock: did anybody update MOTU/ReportingPage about it? :) [07:13] we mostly need more folks interested in helping with misc coding here and there at this point [07:13] dholbach: hmm, I don't think so [07:13] but yeah have him drop by one of our #ubuntu-mythtv* channels [07:16] I shall do that [07:17] nixternal, and don't worry about any dead fish if you don't. its too much trouble to coordinate [07:19] hehe [07:20] dholbach: perhaps somebody should write an email to ubuntu-motu saying that the monthly report is coming up so MOTU leaders should add their items? :-) [07:21] LaserJock: good idea :) [07:21] * Fujitsu adds his security one now: `We suck and need more people' [07:21] nixternal->sleep(); [07:21] kdebug() << "good night!"; [07:21] Undefined method 'sleep' [07:21] nixternal: sleep tight :) [07:22] Fujitsu: you've done good work in the team and held a bunch of meetings [07:22] StevenK: Your domain name is finally explained. [07:22] Haha [07:27] alright, I gotta get to bed [07:27] dholbach: either you can write said email while I'm asleep or I could do it when I get up === RAOF_ is now known as Kaln === RAOF_ is now known as Kal [09:30] good morning jono our mighty manager [09:30] hey hellboy195 :) [09:31] DktrKranz: how are you today? [09:31] jono: and of course you too? [09:31] hellboy195, at home. But better. [09:32] my boss has to figure out how to live without me for today :) [09:32] DktrKranz: hrhr. Then the stage is yours :P [09:33] morning everyone [09:34] morning huats :) [09:34] huats: ahoi :) [09:34] hey DktrKranz hellboy195 [09:39] hellboy195, so I guess beagle should be reviewed now :P [09:39] DktrKranz: xD , why do you think that :P [09:40] "Then the stage is yours :P" let me think about something similar [09:40] DktrKranz: btw, that's from Uri Geller if you know him [09:41] probably [09:41] name is not new to me [09:42] There was a show in the german tv [09:42] Uri Geller looks for the *new* Uri Geller [09:42] xD [09:44] Surely I haven't seen it :) [09:45] It's hard to me to watch tv, while I can crack Sky anytime :P [09:45] And I didn't watch it because it was *stupid*, it sucked :P [09:56] <_ruben> on dutch tv that show ended last weekend :p [09:57] _ruben: ^^ === gary4gar is now known as cool [10:05] mrben: /win 211 [10:05] err [10:05] Ng: /win 211? [10:05] I hope that was one 1 too many [10:06] nope ;) [10:06] irssi's been running for months [10:06] [10:06] Irssi uptime: 138d 18h 57m 13s [10:07] /window close is your friend :) [10:07] meh :) [10:08] even if I am in 43 channels right now.. [10:08] this is the thing - once you blow past the point where alt-key switching is useful, it doesn't really matter how many there are [10:09] +1 [10:12] have three monitors, then :) [10:14] DktrKranz: nice mail :) [10:14] flu is speaking :) [10:14] hellboy195: what the fast internet of yours one? [10:14] jpatrick: +1 [10:15] DktrKranz: but 2 days. short ... [10:15] but I'm off now [10:15] :P [10:15] jpatrick: just ping me if you need something [10:16] hellboy195: I was refering to yesterday's joke of the internet through mail thing :) [10:29] Ng: Agreed. Besides, Alt-A usually brings me to the right place. [10:29] soren: but no when you're in a 100 places.. [10:30] jpatrick: Er... Yes. I have 232 window here, so I have empirical data to back me up :) [10:31] soren: ah, I see it cycles through the windows with action in them in order, useful, thanks [10:32] jpatrick: Yes, where "in order" mean that it brings you first to the channels where you were hilighted, and second to the channel with traffic that you were most recently in. [10:32] cf. the channel with most recent traffic, which would not be very useful. [10:33] soren: long live #ubuntu (err?) [10:34] jpatrick: Precisely. [10:38] soren: do you have moderator access on motu-council? [10:38] I sent out an email ~ my motu app but it hasn't shown up, and I'm wondering if I didn't actually sent it or if it's stuck in the queue [10:39] soren: oh, nevermind, looks like it went through in the past few minutes [10:39] YokoZar: are you Scott Ritchie? [10:39] jpatrick: Yeah :) Sorry to bug for no reason, heh [10:40] YokoZar: it's there [10:40] Yeah I had to refresh my firefox window again, heh [10:42] jpatrick, hello [10:42] hi cool [10:42] so anything new? [10:42] nop [10:43] kinda sometimes life is boring [10:43] jpatrick, can you teach me some packaging ? [10:43] cool: can't right now [10:43] k [10:44] !packguide > cool (maybe this can help) [10:44] lol nothing comes up jpatrick [10:44] ubotu is MIA [10:44] Sorry, I don't know anything about is mia - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [10:44] !packguide [10:44] The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [10:45] hmmm [10:46] sounds like lot of learning [10:46] jpatrick: I'm not aware of jokes, especially not in english :) [10:46] cool: just like everything else :) [10:46] hellboy195: :) [10:51] YokoZar: I do have moderator access, but so does dholbach, and I don't know how he does it, but he seems to moderate that list in almost real time. [10:52] soren: heh, I think he was gone for the weekend ;) [10:53] Also I've apparently appended heh to the past 4 lines of chat I've made. It's late here. [10:55] YokoZar: Yeah, I get a bit goofy in the wee hours myself :) [11:30] hello [11:31] is anybody here I could talk about changing openal in Ubuntu [11:31] more exactly, about bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal/+bug/194919 [11:31] ? [11:31] Morning [11:31] Launchpad bug 194919 in openal "libopenal needs replacement" [Undecided,New] [11:34] yup [11:34] the thing is [11:34] the current openal creates choppy sound in many games [11:34] and I would really like to see this new openal in Hardy [11:35] even if it's only meant as an alternative to the current libopenal0a [11:35] rather than replacing it [11:41] cristi: the current package is in main, so the MOTU team can't really replace it. [11:41] the new one could be uploaded to universe, but then anything in main can't depend on it, and presumably something there does. [11:42] thanks [11:42] who do you think I should contact for this one? [11:43] main is the responsibility of core dev. There is #ubuntu-devel. There is also ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com [11:44] cristi: however main is now in Beta freeze, so a replacement of a package with a rewrite is unlikely to happen I think [11:44] okey [11:44] i would rather have wanted a decoupling [11:44] so that users could choose between the two [11:44] thanks [11:45] cristi: if they install the same library then that is very difficult to do. [11:45] as in the same library name. [11:52] not really [11:52] what if there would be a meta-package called libopenal [11:52] which depends on either the old or the new openal [11:53] and all applications would depend on libopenal, instead of a particular version of openal [11:53] ? [11:56] i'm going to see what main developers think of this [12:03] * pochu waves [12:04] * hellboy195 waves back :) [12:04] hey hellboy195 [12:04] pochu: ahoi ^^ [12:10] does svn-bzr work for you? [12:10] bzr-svn sorry [12:11] ember: what about bug #201055 ? [12:11] Launchpad bug 201055 in pidgin "FFe for Pidgin 2.4.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201055 [12:16] elmargol: are you having a problem with it? [12:16] just a warning "bzr-svn is not up to date with installed bzr version 1.2.0.candidate.1. [12:16] " [12:17] elmargol: how do you have bzr + bzr-svn installed? [12:17] sudo apt-get install bzr bzr-svn [12:20] that's slightly odd. [12:20] I think the problem is that there was no release of bzr-svn that was compatible with bzr 1.2 [12:20] hopefully we'll have that all sorted pretty soon. [12:21] maybe there should be something for hardy though. I'll look in to a solution later. Thanks for the reminder. [12:21] I'm on hardy [12:22] yeah, but I don't know if bzr 1.3 will get in to hardy, even though it should be in sid soon. [12:23] so we may have to use a different solution than we are for Debian. [12:23] hi, is anyone working on updating elisa? [12:32] Hi guys, if this is the wrong place to ask, just tell me. I setup an apt repository, and all seemed well until apt started complaining that it "failed to fetch" my /apt-repo/binary/Release. Apache logs show a 304 error, bit Release.gpg is grabbed fine. 'touch'ing the files does not seem to help. [12:35] PMantis: weird [12:36] james_w: Heh, I heard that last night regarding another issue. :) [12:36] if you add a new package does it work? [12:36] Hmmmm [12:37] Gotta find a new package. :) === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [12:37] Ahhhhhhhhhh, ghost! [12:39] james_w: Hmm, added a packaed to the repo, updated, signed Release.gpg client still erroring. [12:40] ah, sorry, Release, not Packages. [12:40] Release is rarely modified, so that's normal I guess. [12:40] though I don't know why apache is giving that. Is it some apache config you have set? [12:41] Any way to tell Apache to stop checking the date of the file? Is there a standard list of directives that I need? [12:41] Failed to fetch http://apt-server/apt-repo/binary/Release [12:41] E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead [12:42] Apt shouldn't be complaining then.. [12:42] * PMantis assumed that pasting 2 lines is no crime [12:43] Hey [12:43] I don't know apache well enough to say if there is something, sorry. [12:44] Thanks for looking... [12:51] hi, is anyone working on updating elisa? [12:53] slytherin: updating to what? [12:54] james_w: latest bgfix version 0.3.5 [12:54] I don't know of anyone, but if it's a bugfix version then it is probably appropriate for hardy. [12:55] james_w: yes it is bugfix only. Let me see I will try to work on it in night. But working on elisa also means I have to update at least 3 other packages i.e. pigment and plugins [13:08] dholbach: ping [13:16] what are the packages I need to install to setup a development environment to do packaging? [13:18] jetsaredim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/GettingStarted [13:18] jetsaredim: bare minimum are build-essential, dpkg-dev, devscripts, ubuntu-dev-tools I would say. [13:19] pbuilder, cowdancer, or one of the virtualisation tools can be useful [13:19] and things like cdbs, quilt, dpatch etc. can be required for looking at other people's packages. === \sh_away is now known as \sh [13:25] <\sh> moins === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [13:45] protonchris: pong [13:50] dholbach: I saw your comment on bug 190744. Sorry about that. Should I submit a fixed package or would you prefer we sync with the new debian one? [13:50] Launchpad bug 190744 in libgdamm3.0 "Request: Upgrade libgdamm3.0 to upstream version 2.9.81" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190744 [13:51] protonchris: that depends if we can just sync it - I didn't look at the changes that would introduce - also the replaces/conflicts from debian might need adjusting for our case [13:54] dholbach: Well I can have a fixed package in the u-u-s queue tonight and then we can decide from there. Thanks for you time. [13:55] if I'm fixing a package, do I need to change anything other than the changelog at minimum? [13:55] protonchris: ROCK - thanks [13:55] jetsaredim: what ever you need to fix plus the changelog [13:56] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff [13:56] jetsaredim: You may want to add XSBC-Original-Maintainer field in control file if it is not there already [13:56] dholbach: again, sorry for my mistake. [13:57] protonchris: no problem - it happened to me too -- you're responsive and you're fixing it - that's great [13:57] guys, can you look at this please https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/figlet/+bug/133367, and tell me should I make a debdiff that removes unexisting package from Suggests filed or leave it as is? tnx [13:57] Launchpad bug 133367 in figlet "Package Figlet suggests figfonts which is unavailable" [Undecided,New] [13:58] civija: That isn't a high priority bug is it? 'Suggests' is harmless [13:58] slytherin: no it isn't [13:58] i just ment to close it somehow [13:59] civija: Ok, then remove (or replace) the suggests entry, add changelog entry and attach debdiff [13:59] slytherin: ok, tnx [14:00] and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors? [14:00] protonchris: FYI, at least from my view we all make mistakes. The difference between the good MOTUs and the bad ones are the ones that make sure to clean up their own mess. [14:00] civija: of course [14:01] protonchris: And of course learn from the mess. :-) [14:02] dholbach: I was trying to fix evolution-scalix package. I fixed the configure script. But I can not solve compilation problems. What do you suggest I do? [14:04] slytherin: best to get in touch with gicmo in #ubuntu-desktop - he wrote big parts evo-scalix [14:05] civija: you'll also have to change the Maintainer field (just run update-maintainer inside the source if you have ubuntu-dev-tools installed) [14:08] RainCT: yes i know, tnx [14:11] ScottK: thanks. [14:12] slytherin: I am learning a ton from this package. Thanks. [14:26] <\sh> guys, anyone knows how easy it can be, to export/import moinmoin stuff to push into another moinmoin wiki? [14:27] \sh, I guess you only need to copy the data dir [14:27] <\sh> Lamego: hmmm [14:27] <\sh> Lamego: worth a try :) [14:27] well, and the customizations that yoy may have made, to the theme, etc [14:27] <\sh> Lamego: it's more a daily sync from one moin to another moin [14:28] rsync it :) === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:51] Heya gang [14:51] ahoi bddebian [14:51] Hello hellboy195 [14:53] heya [14:54] Hey bddebian [14:58] Hi emgent, Iulian [14:58] :) [15:00] how do I build/change a package that is derived from another package? [15:01] * hellboy195 calls for a vote. I need a new nicname. serious suggestions are welcomed :) sry for being offtopic [15:03] <_ruben> heavengirl195? [15:04] _ruben: serious!"!! ^^ [15:09] <_ruben> hellboy195: sorry, couldnt resist [15:09] _ruben: yeah ^^ [15:19] how can I get attention of some MOTU to this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beagle/+bug/193715/comments/3 ? [15:19] Launchpad bug 193715 in beagle "Merge beagle 0.3.3-2 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:19] dBera: I filed the bug and it will be approved today [15:20] cool [15:20] dBera: sry for the delay but there were some problems :P [15:21] ok. i have no problem but a lot of users are facing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beagle/+bug/194608 with the current version [15:21] Launchpad bug 194608 in beagle "beagled dependency not met" [Undecided,New] [15:21] dBera: personal interest? Because there aren't any new features [15:22] dBera: ah I see === _czessi is now known as Czessi [15:38] where can I go to get packaging help? [15:40] you can write your question here, assuming you have read the packaging guide relady :P [15:41] Lamego: I did write the question about 10 min ago [15:41] I'll repeat it tho [15:41] how do I build/change a package that is derived from another package? [15:41] The MOTU Session is about FTBFS. What is FTBFS? [15:42] you use the debian rules from the original package ? [15:42] in the control file is package: X source: Y [15:42] but when I run debuild -b it builds Y [15:42] not X [15:42] rockstar_: Packages not building (== Fails To Build From Source) [15:42] rockstar_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTBFS [15:42] Ah, thanks guys. [15:43] Lamego: the specific package I'm looking at is mozilla-mplayer [15:43] which has mplayerplug-in listed as the source in the debian/control file [15:46] I made my changes then debuild -b/debuild -S -sa and get mplayerplug-in source.changes, not mozilla-mplayer [15:50] Lamego: any thoughts? [15:55] nope [15:55] heh - awesome [15:56] where else can one go for packaging help? [15:56] I believe there is a forum section for it [15:58] jetsaredim, I believe there is a forum section for it [15:59] * jetsaredim is already looking around ubuntuforums, thanks :) [15:59] Hi everyone === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [15:59] Is this the place to ask about repository opdates? [16:00] eragon: what do you mean? [16:01] Nexuiz is still at 2.3 [16:01] sauerbraten was ancient last time I checked [16:01] why [16:02]