[00:13] nixternal: Here's one for the beta release notes (I'll let you know if a miracle occurs and it's not needed) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59981/ [00:16] thansk! [00:16] thanks too :p [00:24] * apachelogger throws all sorts of stuff at jpatrick [00:24] jpatrick: that luks patch totally broke amarok's media device detection [00:25] * Riddell picks up stuff and throws it at apachelogger (nonviolently) [00:25] removing the debian/dirs from oxygencurors broke install [00:26] alrighty, I am going to be editing the Release Notes page on the wiki, so if you could, don't go there for a while and try to edit [00:26] * apachelogger is wondering who did that :P [00:26] if you have anything that you feel needs to be added, highlight me and tell me, thanks! [00:27] * apachelogger goes patching [00:27] Riddell: I guess the autodetection was also the problem you had with the ipod support? [00:28] apachelogger: yes [00:28] k [00:28] apachelogger: which are you patching? [00:30] Riddell: amarok [00:31] the problem is that luks is introducing new information to kded's mediamanager [00:31] which breaks the parsing in amarok [00:42] Riddell: there is something seriously wrong with the brightness keyup... just tried changing ubuntu.xmodmap to use XF86LaunchF for keycode 212, and to recompile kmilo with XF86LaunchF pointing at brightnessUp; and this has no effect [00:43] spooky [00:43] I wonder if gnome works [00:44] it is indeed very strange... [00:44] * awen_ doesn't have a gnome to test on atm [00:50] Riddell: no, but i will look at it [00:54] seele: its things I want to send to kde-core-devel to suggest as changes in kde [00:58] Riddell: rewrite KDM [00:59] apachelogger: whit? [01:00] gdm is living in the year 2005, kdm is living in the year 1997 [01:00] something's defenitely wrong there [01:00] apachelogger: in what respect? [01:01] in every, theming, readability of code, usage of bleeding edge standards like policykit [01:02] kdm just doens't fit in with KDE 4 [01:02] it didn't even with KDE 3 IMO [01:02] what's brought this on? [01:03] jpatrick: where did those luks patches come from? I thought it was from suse but seems not [01:06] time to sleep [01:08] Riddell: http://kubuntu.org/shops.php ... SHS link (3rd last) is broken [01:08] (just noticed by chance) [01:09] aww [01:10] * awen_ also heads for sleeping [01:10] awen_: fixed, thanks [01:10] np [01:11] and sleep well [01:17] Riddell: do you want email comments or wiki comments (if i have any.. i see a few items i might add to the comments) [01:32] on the daily cd from today i get a msg at 80% installing saying there was a problem with the cd [01:40] jjesse: known [01:40] CDs have been broken for about a week now I believe [01:41] Anybody experiencing DBus issues when trying to mount volumes in Dolphin? [01:42] Dolphin or D3lphin? [01:43] Dolphin [01:44] something along the lines of "an error occured while accessing, the system said: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file"... [01:44] That's what I managed to copy/type into Konqueror, since Dolphin doesn't let you hilight/copy&paste error messages. Capitals might not be exact and all, but its close enough. [01:45] After accessing, there was a Hal.somethingorother, just a sec, I'll get it. [01:48] * nixternal tries with USB stick [01:48] my USB stick just mounted fine [01:51] nixternal: any idea when i'll be able to install kiubuntu-kde4? [01:52] I have using the Alpha 6 CD [01:52] hrmm so i shoulnd't be burning a new cd? [01:52] I wouldn't until we know the CD issues are fixed [01:52] while accessing 'Valume (*vfat)', the system said. ... see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal") is the rest of the message. [01:52] too late ;( [01:52] jjesse: re: mailing list (kubuntu-devel) [01:53] ah must have missed it [01:56] dang, new update for guidance... [01:56] * nixternal crosses fingers in fear :p [02:01] wow slow download tonight from vmware :( [02:02] nixternal: so should i just download the alpha of kde4 hardy and start from there? [02:02] nixternal: From a displayconfig perspective if you have and xorg.conf only two new lines of code even get executed. If you don't have the xorg.conf, then it would've crashed before. [02:02] that is what I do [02:02] ScottK: well it totally wrecked my intel config [02:02] just kidding :p [02:02] Kewl. Two powerful lines of code. [02:03] Dunno what havoc awen wreaked on power-manager. [02:04] none thus far that I can tell, but then again, power manager has never worked a day on this laptop [02:05] when it runs, I get about an hour or hour and 15 minutes of battery [02:05] w/o it just under 2 hours [02:05] So it's clearly doing something ;-) [02:06] haha [02:06] shows up with 2 batteries, doesn't do cpu scaling or even show my cpu freq [02:06] little things like that [02:07] but I noticed that linux doesn't recognize this laptop cpu (celeron m) with a scalable cpu, but in winblows it scales [02:12] nixternal: You might talk to awen about it when he's around. He's doing some good stuff on powermanager. [02:14] Riddell: please test the patched amarok https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/+index?field.name_filter=amarok&field.status_filter=published [03:13] apachelogger: ping === Arby_ is now known as Arby === hunger_t is now known as hunger === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:39] Riddell: it came from bugs.kde.org [08:43] Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113629#c29 [08:43] KDE bug 113629 in media "Complete LUKS support (especially mounting)" [Wishlist,New] [08:43] Riddell: we tested it and it worked better than the SuSE one [08:46] Riddell: not to mention the SuSE one depended on another program not in the repos... [08:48] apachelogger: oxygen you can blame on Che :P [09:03] Riddell: buz told me the current one worked like a charm [09:33] jpatrick: it probably does, trouble is it breaks amarok :) [09:54] hiya [09:54] jpatrick: I have finished the translation [09:54] jpatrick: where to put it? [09:58] serega: jpatrick AT kubuntu.org [09:59] Riddell: well I don't use amarok :) So I couldn't have known [10:00] seele: on the wiki is fine [10:08] serega: shame ubuntuwire's still down.. [10:08] apachelogger: your new amarok seems an improvement [10:09] jpatrick: maybe your homepage is a right place for .tar.gz ? [10:10] serega: _awesome_ work [10:10] jpatrick: or kubuntu wiki [10:10] jpatrick: thanks :) [10:11] serega: what latex packages do I need to build this? [10:12] jpatrick: texlive-lang-cyrillic I guess [10:13] * serega is total n00b in TeX [10:17] morning :) [10:18] Tonio_: you said you got a patch for ksniffer's sudo problem? [10:18] Nightrose: hum nope, doesn't work as expected [10:18] :( [10:18] Nightrose: I'm still planing to work on it on friday [10:18] ok thx [10:19] * Nightrose will look for something else to work on then ;-) [10:21] serega: sorry, irssi decided it was too clever for me [10:21] serega: this looks very well done [10:22] jpatrick: :) [10:23] jpatrick: if there are more basic developer tutorials I can translate them with a time [10:24] Nightrose: how you about bug #201379? :) [10:24] Launchpad bug 201379 in kdelibs "kioexec hangs on exit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201379 [10:24] Nightrose: it blocks kaffeine codec autoinstallation [10:24] serega: doesn't sound like something I would want my hands dirty with :P [10:25] :) [10:25] +to get [10:25] serega: http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/tutorials/ [10:26] * serega sighs and continues to dig kdelibs :) [10:27] jpatrick: one another nice thing for my wife :) [10:27] serega: I'm sure you can get some people in #ubuntu-ru to become Kubuntu devs :) [10:29] jpatrick: enlist or just kidnap?) [10:29] :) [10:48] jpatrick: no amarok? what do you use? [10:48] nareshov: cmus or codeine [10:48] ah [10:49] nareshov: I would use it but I have to save resources on this laptop [10:49] hmm [10:50] codeine looks good [10:50] xine backend? [10:50] ya [10:50] nareshov: it "just works" [10:51] ;p === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:17] serega: what are you looking into? [11:20] Riddell: I got stuck on "kioexec gdebi-kde , it does not exit when gdebi-kde exits. see bug #201379 [11:20] Launchpad bug 201379 in kdelibs "kioexec hangs on exit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201379 [11:20] Riddell: now I building kdelibs with debug information [11:20] +am [11:21] I wonder what the difference between kioexec, kfmexec and kfmclient is [11:25] Riddell: kfmclient invokes file manager bindings fro filetype, doesn't it? [11:25] *for [11:26] Riddell: but kfclient does not open .deb from http url [11:29] ah... seems like things was changed since then: kfmclient exec http://kubuntu.org/packages/libdvdcss-i386.deb works good [11:30] why is libdvdcss on kubuntu.org? [11:32] smarter: its just a redirect [11:32] oh I see [11:33] it's used by kaffeine? [11:34] yes [11:35] although libdvdread is a bit broken so it doesn't actually work === Hobbsee is now known as Spiky === Spiky is now known as Hobbsee [12:41] are the cdimages for the beta Riddell mentions in the email installing correctly yet? [12:41] jjesse: did they ever not install correctly? [12:42] ** please testing 20080318.1 images, beta candidates [12:42] Riddell: i downloaded the last 3 dailys and always got a failure at 80% of the install [12:42] of the kubuntu-kde4 [12:42] disc tested fine, burn was sucessfull [12:42] install failed at 80% [12:42] jjesse: and what was the error? [12:43] Riddell: mentioned the cd was bad which could sometimes be caused by overheating or there was a problem during the burn process [12:43] but what did the logs say? [12:43] don't remember the logs of the top of my head [12:43] i can retry tonight with one of the discs i burnt [12:43] they are at home and i'm at work [12:44] i think nixternal was having problems installing as well [12:50] davmor2: up for a day of testing? [12:50] Arby: able to test some today? [12:50] just got notice thanks Riddell just updating the images I have :) [12:50] * Nightrose downloads [12:51] Riddell: I can this evening sure [12:52] I'm at work right now [12:52] redownloading the iso for testing right now [12:52] jjesse: which one? [12:52] yep mine are syncing at home right now [12:52] 20080318 [12:53] with that said, I'm hugging bugs on my lunch break :) [12:54] jjesse: kubuntu 20080318.1 needs testing, no current kubuntu-kde4 ones [12:54] oh ok [12:54] i stop that download [12:54] when will kubutnu-kde4 be ready for testing again? [12:54] you can always rsync [12:54] jjesse: half an hour or so [12:54] ok cool [12:56] hmm 20 KiB/s - that will take a while... [12:56] Nightrose:that's what i'm getting as well :( [12:56] Riddell: did you ever find the problem in the kde3 liveCD? [12:58] Arby: colin found a work around late last night [12:58] ok [12:58] Arby: likely just it ran out of memory [12:59] hmm, not so great but as long as it's sorted [12:59] right back to $dayjob more kubuntu later === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Next meeting: Wednesday 19th 23:00UTC | Test Beta Candidates! === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [13:22] ah, Tonio_, just in time for some beta candidates testing :) [13:24] Riddell: ;) [13:24] Riddell: I can't test the live cd, doesn't work on macbook pro [13:24] Riddell: but I can test in a VM ;) [13:25] Riddell: I'm currently workong on knetworkconf, I discovered an horrible bug in it, breaking sudo [13:25] Riddell: what do you want me to test ? [13:26] Tonio_: anything http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [13:26] but if you're fixing horrible bugs, that's probably just as useful [13:27] well atm any change in knetworkconf will break samba, sudo and winbind :) [13:27] Riddell: that's not that bad :) [13:27] Riddell: but I can find a moment to test toonight [13:27] Tonio_: downloading takes ages right now anyway [13:27] ;-) === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Next meeting: Wednesday 19th 23:00UTC | Test Beta Candidates and Gutsy upgrades! [13:42] jjesse: just in time := [13:42] :)* [13:42] yeah? [13:42] for what? [13:42] jjesse: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [13:43] the download is taking forever [13:44] jjesse: sometimes it helps to stop it and wget -c [13:44] or use rsync [13:44] using wget and only getting 28k/sec [13:44] * nareshov <3 rsync [13:45] * jpatrick goes to sit by nareshov [13:45] ;p [13:50] what is KDE Alternate? KDE4? [13:50] seele: no live installer I think [13:51] ah ok [13:55] seele: its the old installer [13:55] still useful for various advanced configurations, and still needing testing [14:00] also if anyone has a windows machine with 5 gigs of free space, wubi needs testing [14:09] hi [14:09] I have downloaded the cd image from: [14:09] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/hardy/alpha-6/ [14:09] can somebody check if the md5sum in the MD5SUMS file is correct ? [14:09] sobersabre: hard for it to be wrong [14:10] I got another md5sum than the specified in the file. [14:11] cdimage@antimony:~/cdimage/www/full/kubuntu-kde4/releases/hardy/alpha-6$ md5sum hardy-desktop-i386.iso [14:11] e6318e4b40a014e1e08852a101d2ef55 hardy-desktop-i386.iso [14:11] sorry! [14:11] I downloaded alternate. [14:11] can you please calculate it ? [14:11] [and, yes, I compared to the right sum] [14:12] cdimage@antimony:~/cdimage/www/full/kubuntu-kde4/releases/hardy/alpha-6$ md5sum hardy-alternate-i386.iso [14:12] 7d808a63f927e2839b1547befef336db hardy-alternate-i386.iso [14:12] ok.. [14:12] rsync is your friend [14:12] see KubuntuFiles [14:13] I'm on winoz... [14:14] 32933acf98e6c85eaedcaec6e5d33e74 hardy-alternate-i386.iso [14:14] I'll try to upload the file to a linux machine... [14:14] moment. [14:15] hmmm... it will take 4-5 minutes... [14:16] alpha 6 is old news anyway, we're onto beta candidates now [14:16] ah, Lure, come to help test beta candidates :) [14:16] are they also avail. for download ? [14:18] sure [14:18] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily/ 20080318.1 will appear there in a minute [14:19] Riddell: will do tonight on my desktop at home, quite busy right now [14:19] * Lure thinks it will be fun to work on "old" kde 4.0.2 again ;-) [14:20] Riddell: do we have also desktop cd for kde4? [14:22] Lure: in a minute yes [14:22] Riddell: will at least try running desktop-kde4/amd64 on my laptop to [14:22] too [14:23] ah, CheGuevara, he'll help testing beta candidates :) [14:23] what are we testing [14:23] CD ? [14:24] CDs, windows installer, gutsy upgrades === czessi_ is now known as Czessi [14:25] Riddell: windows installer? [14:25] mm hmm [14:25] wubi [14:25] ah wubi [14:25] needs a windows machine with 5 gigs of free space [14:25] i got someone who will test wubi [14:26] Riddell: how do you do that? I may try that on my wife's PC [14:26] * Lure hopes it removes windows xp "by accident" ;-) [14:26] lol [14:26] Lure: put in the desktop CD, click "Install to Windows" and it'll put it in c:\ubuntu [14:26] i tried the ubuntu one so far [14:26] Riddell, how come u nuked the dependency change for oxygencursors [14:27] CheGuevara: it wasn't needed, it just needed the /usr/share/icons/default directory to be there [14:28] CheGuevara: next time I http://i.u2701u263b.eu/ [14:28] ;-) [14:28] sorry jpatrick [14:28] CheGuevara: nah, could happen to anyone [14:28] happened to me _loads_ of times [14:28] heh [14:29] didn't even think there was another way to fix this [14:30] CheGuevara: it's all apachelogger's fault if its any consolation :) [14:31] haha [14:31] but yeah Riddell count me in testing wubi on vista [14:31] thanks [14:38] hi nelli [14:40] sorry been really busy w/ work and didn't know if the kde4 disk has been built yet? [14:40] ** kubuntu-kde4 desktop and alternate 20080318.1 ready for testing! [14:40] yay [14:40] getting it now [14:41] sorry wasn;'t atying attention [14:41] hi [14:41] it took a long time to sync that one [14:41] the cdimage servers are probably busy [14:42] cant be that busy.. i'm pulling 300KB/s [14:42] that explains it.. [14:42] busy like SH1T! [14:43] ha seele is the one blocking all the intertubes :P [14:43] hm [14:43] yeah [14:43] * apachelogger is the clueless ubuntu dude [14:44] wo 1mb/second download :) [14:44] my ds3 connection at work is sure nice [14:44] * seele drools [14:44] transfer rate: 1.06MB/sec [14:44] Riddell: improvement != status before breakage? [14:45] apachelogger: I don't follow [14:45] Riddell: about amarok [14:45] apachelogger: "clueless ubuntu dude" but we love you for it :) [14:45] [11:08:36] apachelogger: your new amarok seems an improvement [14:46] Riddell: :) [14:46] apachelogger: amarok picks up the ipod now but it needs to be mounted first [14:46] apachelogger: I seem to remember amarok had a popup saying "oh, looks like a music device, let me handle that" [14:46] or similar [14:46] yeah [14:46] hm [14:46] gotta talk to jeff [14:47] its missing from suse too though [14:47] dang dropped to 800kb/sec [14:47] so that might be an issue in amarok itself [14:47] apachelogger: I'd guess so [14:48] or maybe suse just did the same make-my-amarok-useless patches ;-) [14:53] they don't have the luks changes [14:53] not the same ones anyway [14:54] apachelogger: please put the patch name in the changelog, makes it much easier to find in future [14:54] wow i've never seen cdimage run this fast [14:54] sustained transfer rate of 750kb/sec [14:54] Riddell: yeah, that was just a dummy line for the PPA upload [14:55] * jussio1 has has sustained 950kb/s before [14:55] * jjesse drools [15:14] * Riddell spots an obvious problem on the kde 4 CDs [15:16] which is that? (was about to burn it) [15:17] seele: kdm-kde4 doesn't auto login [15:17] seele: it should work fine you just have to log in as "ubuntu" and blank password [15:17] I'll need to change to kdm (kde3) and remake the CDs though [15:25] but besdies that nothing preveniting burning and installing? [15:30] jjesse: nope [15:30] Oo [15:30] omg [15:30] Riddell: how is the autologin configured anyway? [15:31] apachelogger: its done in casper [15:31] so it'll be a post-beta change [15:32] k [15:33] ScottK: hrm, that cyrus-sasl2-heimdal is not the stuff of beta freeze [15:38] hmm.. not using the most updated version of kickoff? [15:38] seele: no, this is 4.0.2 [15:39] huh, i thought some of the changes made it in 4.0.2, but i guess not [15:40] seele: some did, I think more are to come in 4.0.3 [15:41] you can resize panels in 4.0.2 [15:41] Riddell: should i follow the KubuntuDekstop test case or is there a KDE4 one? [15:42] seele: where's the KubuntuDekstop test case? [15:42] Testing Amarok is case #2 but it isnt in the live sesson [15:42] wiki.ubuntucom/Testing/Cases/KubuntuDesktop [15:42] i got the link from QA [15:42] seele: I guess I should update that for KDE 4 [15:42] see if juk works :) [15:43] yay download for first image finished - testing kde 3 desktop now [15:57] Riddell: re your default settings page.. what does NoDisplay mean? [15:59] seele: NoDisplay means "this application exists, but don't display it in the menus". This can be useful to e.g. associate this application with MIME types, so that it gets launched from a file manager (or other apps), without having a menu entry for it (there are tons of good reasons for this, including e.g. the netscape -remote, or kfmclient openURL kind of stuff). [16:00] apachelogger: dont display in menus as in dont list it in kickoff or kdemenu? [16:00] yes [16:00] or in the taskbar? [16:00] ok [16:04] Riddell: helpcenter in kde 3 still shows a lot of duplicate entries - besides that everything seems fine - installing now [16:55] hi guys, I'm trying to make a bootable kubuntu (with kde4) USB to try it on my x60s (which doesn't have a CD) [16:56] Now, I know to handle syslinux etc.. and I already have made bootable usbs with different rescue distros [16:56] I've also, tried to make one with kubuntu.. the kernel and the initramfs load, but then it doesn't find the squashfs file, to loop mount it... [16:56] what do I miss? [17:00] damjan: dunno, this is the documentation if it's not what you're already following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick [17:00] but its not something I've ever done [17:02] ahh I hate those documents that don't say how things are supposed to work, but only expect you to follow a numbered list of points [17:02] ugh, i have to l2use launchpad.. does it save the last "affecting..." project when you create a new bug? [17:05] oh, i clicked on bug within a section so it reported it for that section [17:06] seele: what are you trying to do? [17:06] i have installer bugs to submit and i was in the kdemultimedia part of launchpad when i clicked submit bug [17:07] so it got categorized until kdemultimedia [17:18] seele: fixed [17:21] stable ktorrent-kde4 is now available for gutsy as well \o/ [17:21] \o/ [17:21] thx apachelogger [17:21] yw [17:25] seele: juk is playing ogg for me, the lack of mp3 will be just the normal no mp3 on CD policy [18:15] are 4.0.2 packages only available for Hardy or is there a Gutsy release? [18:16] or.. where can i find that information so i dont have to ask stupid questions all the time [18:16] !kde4 [18:16] jussio1: you killed it [18:16] KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [18:16] seele: kubuntu.org ;-) [18:16] nah, just slow === smarter__ is now known as smarter_ [19:09] stupid question: are distro defaults hard coded or configured in .kde/? [19:10] seele: I believe we do it with kubuntu-default-settings [19:10] I think it's hardcoded in KDE [19:11] grep -r KDEHOME /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings doesn't return anything [19:12] seele: see /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/ [19:12] and /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/ [19:16] ok thanks [19:16] seele: are you looking at KubuntuDefaultSettings ? [19:17] Riddell: doing that right now. i don't know if i agree with your suggestion for kwalletrc not doing the wizard thing [19:17] i agree it is confusing, but so is asking a password the first time around [19:17] it makes sense if you configure something like kopete, and when you create your account you include your password in the configuration [19:18] but if you don't include your password, the first thing kopete does is try to connect you and ask you for your password [19:18] but before you provide kopete with the password you get a password dialog for kwalletrc [19:19] most people dont read everything in front of them, so theyre probably going to type the passowrd for whatever account they thought they were logging in to [19:19] and not realise they just used that password as the global password for kwallet [19:20] it might be the default position that is the problem.. the kopete window opens in the top right corner by default, and then the kwallet password dialog overlays it in the top right corner [19:20] so it looks like it belongs to kopete [19:20] when maybe something like that should be centered since it is a utility application [19:20] like ksudo is always centered [19:27] also, i would probably suggest adding a groupware module to system settings then removing the three links to the wizard from the menu [19:32] seele: where are they in the menu? [19:33] found 1 under Office [19:33] that should really be just within the kontact application, but there's some technical reason why it isn't [19:33] internet, office, utilities [19:33] goodness, so it is [19:34] do you know some system settings modules are broken/missing? [19:34] seele: which? [19:35]