[00:13] <ScottK2> nixternal: Here's one for the beta release notes (I'll let you know if a miracle occurs and it's not needed) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59981/
[00:16] <nixternal> thansk!
[00:16] <nixternal> thanks too :p
[00:24]  * apachelogger throws all sorts of stuff at jpatrick
[00:24] <apachelogger> jpatrick: that luks patch totally broke amarok's media device detection
[00:25]  * Riddell picks up stuff and throws it at apachelogger (nonviolently)
[00:25] <Riddell> removing the debian/dirs from oxygencurors broke install
[00:26] <nixternal> alrighty, I am going to be editing the Release Notes page on the wiki, so if you could, don't go there for a while and try to edit
[00:26]  * apachelogger is wondering who did that :P
[00:26] <nixternal> if you have anything that you feel needs to be added, highlight me and tell me, thanks!
[00:27]  * apachelogger goes patching
[00:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess the autodetection was also the problem you had with the ipod support?
[00:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[00:28] <apachelogger> k
[00:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: which are you patching?
[00:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: amarok
[00:31] <apachelogger> the problem is that luks is introducing new information to kded's mediamanager
[00:31] <apachelogger> which breaks the parsing in amarok
[00:42] <awen_> Riddell: there is something seriously wrong with the brightness keyup... just tried changing ubuntu.xmodmap to use XF86LaunchF for keycode 212, and to recompile kmilo with XF86LaunchF pointing at brightnessUp; and this has no effect
[00:43] <Riddell> spooky
[00:43] <Riddell> I wonder if gnome works
[00:44] <awen_> it is indeed very strange...
[00:44]  * awen_ doesn't have a gnome to test on atm
[00:50] <seele> Riddell: no, but i will look at it
[00:54] <Riddell> seele: its things I want to send to kde-core-devel to suggest as changes in kde
[00:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: rewrite KDM
[00:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: whit?
[01:00] <apachelogger> gdm is living in the year 2005, kdm is living in the year 1997
[01:00] <apachelogger> something's defenitely wrong there
[01:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: in what respect?
[01:01] <apachelogger> in every, theming, readability of code, usage of bleeding edge standards like policykit
[01:02] <apachelogger> kdm just doens't fit in with KDE 4
[01:02] <apachelogger> it didn't even with KDE 3 IMO
[01:02] <Riddell> what's brought this on?
[01:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: where did those luks patches come from?  I thought it was from suse but seems not
[01:06] <Riddell> time to sleep
[01:08] <awen_> Riddell: http://kubuntu.org/shops.php ... SHS link (3rd last) is broken
[01:08] <awen_> (just noticed by chance)
[01:09] <Riddell> aww
[01:10]  * awen_ also heads for sleeping
[01:10] <Riddell> awen_: fixed, thanks
[01:10] <awen_> np
[01:11] <awen_> and sleep well
[01:17] <seele> Riddell: do you want email comments or wiki comments (if i have any.. i see a few items i might add to the comments)
[01:32] <jjesse> on the daily cd from today i get a msg at 80% installing saying there was a problem with the cd
[01:40] <nixternal> jjesse: known
[01:40] <nixternal> CDs have been broken for about a week now I believe
[01:41] <ryanakca> Anybody experiencing DBus issues when trying to mount volumes in Dolphin?
[01:42] <nixternal> Dolphin or D3lphin?
[01:43] <ryanakca> Dolphin
[01:44] <ryanakca> something along the lines of "an error occured while accessing, the system said: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file"...
[01:44] <ryanakca> That's what I managed to copy/type into Konqueror, since Dolphin doesn't let you hilight/copy&paste error messages. Capitals might not be exact and all, but its close enough.
[01:45] <ryanakca> After accessing, there was a Hal.somethingorother, just a sec, I'll get it.
[01:48]  * nixternal tries with USB stick
[01:48] <nixternal> my USB stick just mounted fine
[01:51] <jjesse> nixternal: any idea when i'll be able to install kiubuntu-kde4?
[01:52] <nixternal> I have using the Alpha 6 CD
[01:52] <jjesse> hrmm so i shoulnd't be burning a new cd?
[01:52] <nixternal> I wouldn't until we know the CD issues are fixed
[01:52] <ryanakca> while accessing 'Valume (*vfat)', the system said. ... see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")      is the rest of the message.
[01:52] <jjesse> too late ;(
[01:52] <nixternal> jjesse: re: mailing list (kubuntu-devel)
[01:53] <jjesse> ah must have missed it
[01:56] <nixternal> dang, new update for guidance...
[01:56]  * nixternal crosses fingers in fear :p
[02:01] <jjesse> wow slow download tonight from vmware :(
[02:02] <jjesse> nixternal: so should i just download the alpha of kde4 hardy and start from there?
[02:02] <ScottK> nixternal: From a displayconfig perspective if you have and xorg.conf only two new lines of code even get executed.  If you don't have the xorg.conf, then it would've crashed before.
[02:02] <nixternal> that is what I do
[02:02] <nixternal> ScottK: well it totally wrecked my intel config
[02:02] <nixternal> just kidding :p
[02:02] <ScottK> Kewl.  Two powerful lines of code.
[02:03] <ScottK> Dunno what havoc awen wreaked on power-manager.
[02:04] <nixternal> none thus far that I can tell, but then again, power manager has never worked a day on this laptop
[02:05] <nixternal> when it runs, I get about an hour or hour and 15 minutes of battery
[02:05] <nixternal> w/o it just under 2 hours
[02:05] <ScottK> So it's clearly doing something ;-)
[02:06] <nixternal> haha
[02:06] <nixternal> shows up with 2 batteries, doesn't do cpu scaling or even show my cpu freq
[02:06] <nixternal> little things like that
[02:07] <nixternal> but I noticed that linux doesn't recognize this laptop cpu (celeron m) with a scalable cpu, but in winblows it scales
[02:12] <ScottK> nixternal: You might talk to awen about it when he's around.  He's doing some good stuff on powermanager.
[02:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: please test the patched amarok https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/+index?field.name_filter=amarok&field.status_filter=published
[03:13] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: ping
[08:39] <jpatrick> Riddell: it came from bugs.kde.org
[08:43] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113629#c29
[08:43] <ubotu> KDE bug 113629 in media "Complete LUKS support (especially mounting)" [Wishlist,New]
[08:43] <jpatrick> Riddell: we tested it and it worked better than the SuSE one
[08:46] <jpatrick> Riddell: not to mention the SuSE one depended on another program not in the repos...
[08:48] <jpatrick> apachelogger: oxygen you can blame on Che :P
[09:03] <jpatrick> Riddell: buz told me the current one worked like a charm
[09:33] <Riddell> jpatrick: it probably does, trouble is it breaks amarok :)
[09:54] <serega> hiya
[09:54] <serega> jpatrick: I have finished the translation
[09:54] <serega> jpatrick: where to put it?
[09:58] <jpatrick> serega: jpatrick AT kubuntu.org
[09:59] <jpatrick> Riddell: well I don't use amarok :) So I couldn't have known
[10:00] <Riddell> seele: on the wiki is fine
[10:08] <jpatrick> serega: shame ubuntuwire's still down..
[10:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: your new amarok seems an improvement
[10:09] <serega> jpatrick: maybe your homepage is a right place for .tar.gz ?
[10:10] <jpatrick> serega: _awesome_ work
[10:10] <serega> jpatrick: or kubuntu wiki
[10:10] <serega> jpatrick: thanks :)
[10:11] <jpatrick> serega: what latex packages do I need to build this?
[10:12] <serega> jpatrick: texlive-lang-cyrillic I guess
[10:13]  * serega is total n00b in TeX
[10:17] <Nightrose> morning :)
[10:18] <Nightrose> Tonio_: you said you got a patch for ksniffer's sudo problem?
[10:18] <Tonio_> Nightrose: hum nope, doesn't work as expected
[10:18] <Nightrose> :(
[10:18] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I'm still planing to work on it on friday
[10:18] <Nightrose> ok thx
[10:19]  * Nightrose will look for something else to work on then ;-)
[10:21] <jpatrick> serega: sorry, irssi decided it was too clever for me
[10:21] <jpatrick> serega: this looks very well done
[10:22] <serega> jpatrick: :)
[10:23] <serega> jpatrick: if there are more basic developer tutorials I can translate them with a time
[10:24] <serega> Nightrose: how you about bug #201379? :)
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201379 in kdelibs "kioexec hangs on exit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201379
[10:24] <serega> Nightrose: it blocks kaffeine codec autoinstallation
[10:24] <Nightrose> serega: doesn't sound like something I would want my hands dirty with :P
[10:25] <serega> :)
[10:25] <Nightrose> +to get
[10:25] <jpatrick> serega: http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/tutorials/
[10:26]  * serega sighs and continues to dig kdelibs :)
[10:27] <serega> jpatrick: one another nice thing for my wife :)
[10:27] <jpatrick> serega: I'm sure you can get some people in #ubuntu-ru to become Kubuntu devs :)
[10:29] <serega> jpatrick: enlist or just kidnap?)
[10:29] <jpatrick> :)
[10:48] <nareshov> jpatrick: no amarok? what do you use?
[10:48] <jpatrick> nareshov: cmus or codeine
[10:48] <nareshov> ah
[10:49] <jpatrick> nareshov: I would use it but I have to save resources on this laptop
[10:49] <nareshov> hmm
[10:50] <nareshov> codeine looks good
[10:50] <nareshov> xine backend?
[10:50] <nareshov> ya
[10:50] <jpatrick> nareshov: it "just works"
[10:51] <nareshov> ;p
[11:17] <Riddell> serega: what are you looking into?
[11:20] <serega> Riddell: I got stuck on "kioexec gdebi-kde <url_to_libdvdcss>, it does not exit when gdebi-kde exits. see  bug #201379
[11:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201379 in kdelibs "kioexec hangs on exit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201379
[11:20] <serega> Riddell: now I building kdelibs with debug information
[11:20] <serega> +am
[11:21] <Riddell> I wonder what the difference between kioexec, kfmexec and kfmclient is
[11:25] <serega> Riddell: kfmclient invokes file manager bindings fro filetype, doesn't it?
[11:25] <serega> *for
[11:26] <serega> Riddell: but kfclient does not open .deb from http url
[11:29] <serega> ah... seems like things was changed since then: kfmclient exec http://kubuntu.org/packages/libdvdcss-i386.deb works good
[11:30] <smarter> why is libdvdcss on kubuntu.org?
[11:32] <Riddell> smarter: its just a redirect
[11:32] <smarter> oh I see
[11:33] <smarter> it's used by kaffeine?
[11:34] <Riddell> yes
[11:35] <Riddell> although libdvdread is a bit broken so it doesn't actually work
[12:41] <jjesse> are the cdimages for the beta Riddell mentions in the email installing correctly yet?
[12:41] <Riddell> jjesse: did they ever not install correctly?
[12:42] <Riddell> ** please testing 20080318.1 images, beta candidates
[12:42] <jjesse> Riddell: i downloaded the last 3 dailys and always got a failure at 80% of the install
[12:42] <jjesse> of the kubuntu-kde4
[12:42] <jjesse> disc tested fine, burn was sucessfull
[12:42] <jjesse> install failed at 80%
[12:42] <Riddell> jjesse: and what was the error?
[12:43] <jjesse> Riddell: mentioned the cd was bad which could sometimes be caused by overheating or there was a problem during the burn process
[12:43] <Riddell> but what did the logs say?
[12:43] <jjesse> don't remember the logs of the top of my head
[12:43] <jjesse> i can retry tonight with one of the discs i burnt
[12:43] <jjesse> they are at home and i'm at work
[12:44] <jjesse> i think nixternal was having problems installing as well
[12:50] <Riddell> davmor2: up for a day of testing?
[12:50] <Riddell> Arby: able to test some today?
[12:50] <davmor2> just got notice thanks Riddell just updating the images I have :)
[12:50]  * Nightrose downloads
[12:51] <Arby> Riddell: I can this evening sure
[12:52] <Arby> I'm at work right now
[12:52] <jjesse> redownloading the iso for testing right now
[12:52] <Riddell> jjesse: which one?
[12:52] <Arby> yep mine are syncing at home right now
[12:52] <jjesse> 20080318
[12:53] <Arby> with that said, I'm hugging bugs on my lunch break :)
[12:54] <Riddell> jjesse: kubuntu 20080318.1 needs testing, no current kubuntu-kde4 ones
[12:54] <jjesse> oh ok
[12:54] <jjesse> i stop that download
[12:54] <jjesse> when will kubutnu-kde4 be ready for testing again?
[12:54] <Riddell> you can always rsync
[12:54] <Riddell> jjesse: half an hour or so
[12:54] <jjesse> ok cool
[12:56] <Nightrose> hmm 20 KiB/s - that will take a while...
[12:56] <jjesse> Nightrose:that's what i'm getting as well :(
[12:56] <Arby> Riddell: did you ever find the problem in the kde3 liveCD?
[12:58] <Riddell> Arby: colin found a work around late last night
[12:58] <Arby> ok
[12:58] <Riddell> Arby: likely just it ran out of memory
[12:59] <Arby> hmm, not so great but as long as it's sorted
[12:59] <Arby> right back to $dayjob more kubuntu later
[13:22] <Riddell> ah, Tonio_, just in time for some beta candidates testing :)
[13:24] <Tonio_> Riddell:  ;)
[13:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't test the live cd, doesn't work on macbook pro
[13:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I can test in a VM ;)
[13:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm currently workong on knetworkconf, I discovered an horrible bug in it, breaking sudo
[13:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: what do you want me to test ?
[13:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: anything http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[13:26] <Riddell> but if you're fixing horrible bugs, that's probably just as useful
[13:27] <Tonio_> well atm any change in knetworkconf will break samba, sudo and winbind :)
[13:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's not that bad :)
[13:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I can find a moment to test toonight
[13:27] <Nightrose> Tonio_: downloading takes ages right now anyway
[13:27] <Nightrose> ;-)
[13:42] <jpatrick> jjesse: just in time :=
[13:42] <jpatrick> :)*
[13:42] <jjesse> yeah?
[13:42] <jjesse> for what?
[13:42] <jpatrick> jjesse: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[13:43] <jjesse> the download is taking forever
[13:44] <Riddell> jjesse: sometimes it helps to stop it and wget -c
[13:44] <jpatrick> or use rsync
[13:44] <jjesse> using wget and only getting 28k/sec
[13:44]  * nareshov <3 rsync
[13:45]  * jpatrick goes to sit by nareshov 
[13:45] <nareshov> ;p
[13:50] <seele> what is KDE Alternate?  KDE4?
[13:50] <jpatrick> seele: no live installer I think
[13:51] <seele> ah ok
[13:55] <Riddell> seele: its the old installer
[13:55] <Riddell> still useful for various advanced configurations, and still needing testing
[14:00] <Riddell> also if anyone has a windows machine with 5 gigs of free space, wubi needs testing
[14:09] <sobersabre> hi
[14:09] <sobersabre> I have downloaded the cd image from:
[14:09] <sobersabre> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/hardy/alpha-6/
[14:09] <sobersabre> can somebody check if the md5sum in the MD5SUMS file is correct ?
[14:09] <Riddell> sobersabre: hard for it to be wrong
[14:10] <sobersabre> I got another md5sum than the specified in the file.
[14:11] <Riddell> cdimage@antimony:~/cdimage/www/full/kubuntu-kde4/releases/hardy/alpha-6$ md5sum hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[14:11] <Riddell> e6318e4b40a014e1e08852a101d2ef55  hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[14:11] <sobersabre> sorry!
[14:11] <sobersabre> I downloaded alternate.
[14:11] <sobersabre> can you please calculate it ?
[14:11] <sobersabre> [and, yes, I compared to the right sum]
[14:12] <Riddell> cdimage@antimony:~/cdimage/www/full/kubuntu-kde4/releases/hardy/alpha-6$ md5sum hardy-alternate-i386.iso
[14:12] <Riddell> 7d808a63f927e2839b1547befef336db  hardy-alternate-i386.iso
[14:12] <sobersabre> ok..
[14:12] <Riddell> rsync is your friend
[14:12] <Riddell> see KubuntuFiles
[14:13] <sobersabre> I'm on winoz...
[14:14] <sobersabre> 32933acf98e6c85eaedcaec6e5d33e74  hardy-alternate-i386.iso
[14:14] <sobersabre> I'll try to upload the file to a linux machine...
[14:14] <sobersabre> moment.
[14:15] <sobersabre> hmmm... it will take 4-5 minutes...
[14:16] <Riddell> alpha 6 is old news anyway, we're onto beta candidates now
[14:16] <Riddell> ah, Lure, come to help test beta candidates :)
[14:16] <sobersabre> are they also avail. for download ?
[14:18] <Riddell> sure
[14:18] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily/  20080318.1 will appear there in a minute
[14:19] <Lure> Riddell: will do tonight on my desktop at home, quite busy right now
[14:19]  * Lure thinks it will be fun to work on "old" kde 4.0.2 again ;-)
[14:20] <Lure> Riddell: do we have also desktop cd for kde4?
[14:22] <Riddell> Lure: in a minute yes
[14:22] <Lure> Riddell: will at least try running desktop-kde4/amd64 on my laptop to
[14:22] <Lure> too
[14:23] <Riddell> ah, CheGuevara, he'll help testing beta candidates :)
[14:23] <CheGuevara> what are we testing
[14:23] <CheGuevara> CD ?
[14:24] <Riddell> CDs, windows installer, gutsy upgrades
[14:25] <Lure> Riddell: windows installer?
[14:25] <Riddell> mm hmm
[14:25] <Riddell> wubi
[14:25] <CheGuevara> ah wubi
[14:25] <Riddell> needs a windows machine with 5 gigs of free space
[14:25] <CheGuevara> i got someone who will test wubi
[14:26] <Lure> Riddell: how do you do that? I may try that on my wife's PC
[14:26]  * Lure hopes it removes windows xp "by accident" ;-)
[14:26] <CheGuevara> lol
[14:26] <Riddell> Lure: put in the desktop CD, click "Install to Windows" and it'll put it in c:\ubuntu
[14:26] <CheGuevara> i tried the ubuntu one so far
[14:26] <CheGuevara> Riddell, how come u nuked the dependency change for oxygencursors
[14:27] <Riddell> CheGuevara: it wasn't needed, it just needed the /usr/share/icons/default directory to be there
[14:28] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: next time I http://i.u2701u263b.eu/
[14:28] <jpatrick> ;-)
[14:28] <CheGuevara> sorry jpatrick
[14:28] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: nah, could happen to anyone
[14:28] <jpatrick> happened to me _loads_ of times
[14:28] <CheGuevara> heh
[14:29] <CheGuevara> didn't even think there was another way to fix this
[14:30] <Riddell> CheGuevara: it's all apachelogger's fault if its any consolation :)
[14:31] <CheGuevara> haha
[14:31] <CheGuevara> but yeah Riddell count me in testing wubi on vista
[14:31] <Riddell> thanks
[14:38] <Riddell> hi nelli
[14:40] <jjesse> sorry been really busy w/ work and didn't know if the kde4 disk has been built yet?
[14:40] <Riddell> ** kubuntu-kde4 desktop and alternate 20080318.1 ready for testing!
[14:40] <jjesse> yay
[14:40] <jjesse> getting it now
[14:41] <jjesse> sorry wasn;'t atying attention
[14:41] <nelli> hi
[14:41] <Riddell> it took a long time to sync that one
[14:41] <Riddell> the cdimage servers are probably busy
[14:42] <seele> cant be that busy.. i'm pulling 300KB/s
[14:42] <jpatrick> that explains it..
[14:42] <sobersabre> busy like SH1T!
[14:43] <Nightrose> ha seele is the one blocking all the intertubes :P
[14:43] <apachelogger> hm
[14:43] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:43]  * apachelogger is the clueless ubuntu dude
[14:44] <jjesse> wo 1mb/second download :)
[14:44] <jjesse> my ds3 connection at work is sure nice
[14:44]  * seele drools
[14:44] <jjesse> transfer rate: 1.06MB/sec
[14:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: improvement != status before breakage?
[14:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't follow
[14:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: about amarok
[14:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: "clueless ubuntu dude" but we love you for it :)
[14:45] <apachelogger> [11:08:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: your new amarok seems an improvement
[14:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: :)
[14:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: amarok picks up the ipod now but it needs to be mounted first
[14:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: I seem to remember amarok had a popup saying "oh, looks like a music device, let me handle that"
[14:46] <Riddell> or similar
[14:46] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:46] <apachelogger> hm
[14:46] <apachelogger> gotta talk to jeff
[14:47] <Riddell> its missing from suse too though
[14:47] <jjesse> dang dropped to 800kb/sec
[14:47] <apachelogger> so that might be an issue in amarok itself
[14:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd guess so
[14:48] <apachelogger> or maybe suse just did the same make-my-amarok-useless patches ;-)
[14:53] <Riddell> they don't have the luks changes
[14:53] <Riddell> not the same ones anyway
[14:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: please put the patch name in the changelog, makes it much easier to find in future
[14:54] <jjesse> wow i've never seen cdimage run this fast
[14:54] <jjesse> sustained transfer rate of 750kb/sec
[14:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, that was just a dummy line for the PPA upload
[14:55]  * jussio1 has has sustained 950kb/s before
[14:55]  * jjesse drools
[15:14]  * Riddell spots an obvious problem on the kde 4 CDs
[15:16] <seele> which is that?  (was about to burn it)
[15:17] <Riddell> seele: kdm-kde4 doesn't auto login
[15:17] <Riddell> seele: it should work fine you just have to log in as "ubuntu" and blank password
[15:17] <Riddell> I'll need to change to kdm (kde3) and remake the CDs though
[15:25] <jjesse> but besdies that nothing preveniting burning and installing?
[15:30] <Riddell> jjesse: nope
[15:30] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:30] <apachelogger> omg
[15:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: how is the autologin configured anyway?
[15:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: its done in casper
[15:31] <Riddell> so it'll be a post-beta change
[15:32] <apachelogger> k
[15:33] <Riddell> ScottK: hrm, that cyrus-sasl2-heimdal is not the stuff of beta freeze
[15:38] <seele> hmm.. not using the most updated version of kickoff?
[15:38] <Riddell> seele: no, this is 4.0.2
[15:39] <seele> huh, i thought some of the changes made it in 4.0.2, but i guess not
[15:40] <Riddell> seele: some did, I think more are to come in 4.0.3
[15:41] <Riddell> you can resize panels in 4.0.2
[15:41] <seele> Riddell: should i follow the KubuntuDekstop test case or is there a KDE4 one?
[15:42] <Riddell> seele: where's the KubuntuDekstop test case?
[15:42] <seele> Testing Amarok is case #2 but it isnt in the live sesson
[15:42] <seele> wiki.ubuntucom/Testing/Cases/KubuntuDesktop
[15:42] <seele> i got the link from QA
[15:42] <Riddell> seele: I guess I should update that for KDE 4
[15:42] <Riddell> see if juk works :)
[15:43] <Nightrose> yay download for first image finished - testing kde 3 desktop now
[15:57] <seele> Riddell: re your default settings page.. what does NoDisplay mean?
[15:59] <apachelogger> seele: NoDisplay means "this application exists, but don't display it in the menus". This can be useful to e.g. associate this application with MIME types, so that it gets launched from a file manager (or other apps), without having a menu entry for it (there are tons of good reasons for this, including e.g. the netscape -remote, or kfmclient openURL kind of stuff).
[16:00] <seele> apachelogger: dont display in menus as in dont list it in kickoff or kdemenu?
[16:00] <apachelogger> yes
[16:00] <seele> or in the taskbar?
[16:00] <seele> ok
[16:04] <Nightrose> Riddell: helpcenter in kde 3 still shows a lot of duplicate entries - besides that everything seems fine - installing now
[16:55] <damjan> hi guys, I'm trying to make a bootable kubuntu (with kde4) USB to try it on my x60s (which doesn't have a CD)
[16:56] <damjan> Now, I know to handle syslinux etc.. and I already have made bootable usbs with different rescue distros
[16:56] <damjan> I've also, tried to make one with kubuntu.. the kernel and the initramfs load, but then it doesn't find the squashfs file, to loop mount it...
[16:56] <damjan> what do I miss?
[17:00] <Riddell> damjan: dunno, this is the documentation if it's not what you're already following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[17:00] <Riddell> but its not something I've ever done
[17:02] <damjan> ahh I hate those documents that don't say how things are supposed to work, but only expect you to follow a numbered list of points
[17:02] <seele> ugh, i have to l2use launchpad.. does it save the last "affecting..." project when you create a new bug?
[17:05] <seele> oh, i clicked on bug within a section so it reported it for that section
[17:06] <Riddell> seele: what are you trying to do?
[17:06] <seele> i have installer bugs to submit and i was in the kdemultimedia part of launchpad when i clicked submit bug
[17:07] <seele> so it got categorized until kdemultimedia
[17:18] <Riddell> seele: fixed
[17:21] <apachelogger> stable ktorrent-kde4 is now available for gutsy as well \o/
[17:21] <Nightrose> \o/
[17:21] <Nightrose> thx apachelogger
[17:21] <apachelogger> yw
[17:25] <Riddell> seele: juk is playing ogg for me, the lack of mp3 will be just the normal no mp3 on CD policy
[18:15] <seele> are 4.0.2 packages only available for Hardy or is there a Gutsy release?
[18:16] <seele> or.. where can i find that information so i dont have to ask stupid questions all the time
[18:16] <jussio1> !kde4
[18:16] <jpatrick> jussio1: you killed it
[18:16] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[18:16] <Nightrose> seele: kubuntu.org ;-)
[18:16] <jussio1> nah, just slow
[19:09] <seele> stupid question: are distro defaults hard coded or configured in .kde/?
[19:10] <jpatrick> seele: I believe we do it with kubuntu-default-settings
[19:10] <smarter_> I think it's hardcoded in KDE
[19:11] <smarter_> grep -r KDEHOME /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings doesn't return anything
[19:12] <Riddell> seele: see /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/
[19:12] <Riddell> and /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/
[19:16] <seele> ok thanks
[19:16] <Riddell> seele: are you looking at KubuntuDefaultSettings ?
[19:17] <seele> Riddell: doing that right now.  i don't know if i agree with your suggestion for kwalletrc not doing the wizard thing
[19:17] <seele> i agree it is confusing, but so is asking a password the first time around
[19:17] <seele> it makes sense if you configure something like kopete, and when you create your account you include your password in the configuration
[19:18] <seele> but if you don't include your password, the first thing kopete does is try to connect you and ask you for your password
[19:18] <seele> but before you provide kopete with the password you get a password dialog for kwalletrc
[19:19] <seele> most people dont read everything in front of them, so theyre probably going to type the passowrd for whatever account they thought they were logging in to
[19:19] <seele> and not realise they just used that password as the global password for kwallet
[19:20] <seele> it might be the default position that is the problem.. the kopete window opens in the top right corner by default, and then the kwallet password dialog overlays it in the top right corner
[19:20] <seele> so it looks like it belongs to kopete
[19:20] <seele> when maybe something like that should be centered since it is a utility application
[19:20] <seele> like ksudo is always centered
[19:27] <seele> also, i would probably suggest adding a groupware module to system settings then removing the three links to the wizard from the menu
[19:32] <Riddell> seele: where are they in the menu?
[19:33] <Riddell> found 1 under Office
[19:33] <Riddell> that should really be just within the kontact application, but there's some technical reason why it isn't
[19:33] <seele> internet, office, utilities
[19:33] <Riddell> goodness, so it is
[19:34] <seele> do you know some system settings modules are broken/missing?
[19:34] <Riddell> seele: which?
[19:35] <seele> mmm.. i found a few.  I'm looking at Network Settings right now, Connection Preferences and Proxy are missing.  Service Discovery works
[19:35] <seele> Sharing is also missing/broken
[19:35] <seele> "The shared library was not found.Library not found"
[19:36] <seele> this is today's install cd, not an upgrade
[19:36] <Riddell> yep, I see that
[19:36]  * Riddell adds to list of things to fix after beta
[19:36] <seele> add About Me
[19:37] <Riddell> ok
[19:37] <seele> also, the Administrator button is missing?
[19:37] <Riddell> seele: that's a known issue
[19:38] <seele> ok
[19:38] <Riddell> coolo ripped it out and nobody has replaced it
[19:39] <seele> add File Associations to the list, and i think that is all of them
[19:39] <seele> hmm.. no printing?
[19:39] <CheGuevara> its quiet annoying
[19:40] <CheGuevara> when you try to change options
[19:40] <CheGuevara> and you just cant lol
[19:40] <Riddell> seele: hmm, indeed printing is missing (and the shiny new printer tool isn't in a fit state yet)
[19:42]  * nosredna_ekim feels convicted, stops look for GSoC projects and gets to work ont he printer tool
[19:42] <Riddell> ** all new kubuntu-kde4 20080318.2 is up for testing
[19:42] <seele> whoot
[19:42] <seele> just as i get .1 installed, lol
[19:42] <Riddell> seele: just fixes the kdm issue is all
[19:42] <nosredna_ekim> why couldn't ubuntu apply so I could work for you wonderful people :(
[19:42] <seele> ok, i wont bother then
[19:43] <yuriy> ubuntu isn't doing SoC??
[19:43] <jpatrick> nosredna_ekim: there are Kubuntu projects no?
[19:43] <nosredna_ekim> nope... Ubuntu never even applied
[19:43] <seele> nosredna_ekim: apply to the linux foundation printing project and work on kprint!
[19:43] <awen_> Riddell: I found a report in /var/log/kdm.log about the brightnessUp not working whereas brightnessDown doesn't: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60070/ ... it is very little verbose; but does it give you any hint of where to proceed?
[19:44] <nosredna_ekim> kprint is C++.... so, no joy.
[19:44] <seele> printing needs love too.  ask Riddell
[19:45] <yuriy> nosredna_ekim: or apply for KDE
[19:45] <jpatrick> nosredna_ekim: you'll need C++ in the future for KDE development :)
[19:46] <nosredna_ekim> jpatrick: I know, but I don't want to learn C++ on the job(and I doubt any one is going to want to teach me on the job)
[19:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: he shouldn't need it, except for libs
[19:46] <yuriy> nosredna_ekim: go cram before may!
[19:47] <nosredna_ekim> yuriy: problem is getting accepted in march with nothin C++ related at all :)
[19:47] <yuriy> nosredna_ekim: if you know java or something, do a project for yourself in c++, you should be able to learn it in a month or 2
[19:52] <nosredna_ekim> nope, no java either.
[19:53]  * nosredna_ekim wanders away trying to think up another project.
[19:53] <Riddell> nosredna_ekim: entirely possible the new printer config tool could be done as a project within KDE
[19:54] <nosredna_ekim> Riddell: is there enough left on that to qualify?
[19:54] <jpatrick> nosredna_ekim: http://www.kuarepoti-dju.net/index.php?p=150
[19:55] <Riddell> nosredna_ekim: not sure
[19:57] <seele> does anyone know how kdesudo works?  sometimes it inserts the readable name for an application and sometimes it lists the command
[19:58] <seele> e.g. "Adept Manager" or "/usr/bin/adept_manager"
[19:58] <nosredna_ekim> jpatrick: Riddell: that sounds interesting enough.... is that something to be built off of system-config-printer or something entirely new?
[19:59] <Riddell> seele: running Adept Manager shows the command for me
[19:59] <Riddell> seele: there's a --comment option to kdesudo to get it to have a more friendly text
[20:00] <Riddell> nosredna_ekim: that's the printing dialogue, part of kdelibs
[20:00] <Riddell> for when you run File->Print
[20:01] <seele> Riddell: if you run kdesudo adept_manager from the command line (no --comment) it runs with Adept Manager as the title
[20:01] <seele> er, the "readable" name instead of the command
[20:03] <seele> ah hah
[20:03] <seele> Riddell: back to the kwallet thing.. maybe the default solution would be similar to the konqueror message
[20:04] <seele> instead of the wizard or the password dialogs, it shows a dialog with a short explanation and asks the user if they want to use kwallet or not
[20:04] <seele> maybe that would be a good default for everything
[20:04] <Riddell> seele: curious.  tonio's the guy we should poke about kdesudo
[20:05] <seele> Riddell: ok
[20:05] <Riddell> seele: yeah, that's the default we have for kwallet
[20:05] <seele> oh, i thought it was the password dialog
[20:05] <seele> that's what i got from kopete
[20:05] <Riddell> maybe you already have it set up for kopete
[20:05] <seele> fresh install.. unless kopete sets it up automagically
[20:06] <seele> hmm
[20:06] <nosredna_ekim> Riddell: ah... I see. ok. is KDE going to want C++ for that? (and is this the best place to be talking about this?)
[20:07] <Riddell> nosredna_ekim: yes, it's in libs so needs c++
[20:07] <nosredna_ekim> eh.... too bad :-(
[20:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you get those things changed for qtcurve ?
[20:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: just saw the package updated
[20:15] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes
[20:17] <alleeHol> Riddell: bug 201053 submitter asked for upload before beta?  Is that possible?  Pkgs are ready at https://edge.launchpad.net/~allee/+archive/ only version in changelog needs adaption
[20:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201053 in digikam "[Hardy] digikam duplicates downloaded images while overwriting existing ones" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201053
[20:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: uhm where is the config stored for the qtcurve style ? /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/?
[20:22] <Riddell> _StefanS_: there isn't a global one, that's why I have to patch the package
[20:22] <Riddell> alleeHol: no, after beta I'm afraid
[20:22] <Riddell> alleeHol: but we can still upload any time
[20:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ah ok
[20:23] <alleeHol> Riddell: whatever you prefer,  Upstream asked me backport 3 more kipi-plugin fixes, so maybe let them envolve in ppa
[20:24] <nixternal> check out bug 203681
[20:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203681 in kde4addons "kde4addons: dependency problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203681
[20:24] <nixternal> notice anything peculiar about it?
[20:25] <Riddell> nixternal: it's for obsolete packages?
[20:26] <nixternal> haha, slightly
[20:30] <Arby> is there an official upgrade method for gutsy->hardy yet?
[20:30] <Arby> I've got a gutsy vm here waiting for some testing
[20:31] <awen_> where to find the newest beta testing cd 20080318.2 ?
[20:31] <jpatrick> Arby: "kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel""
[20:31] <Arby> jpatrick: thanks
[20:31] <nareshov> ah, that's the one
[20:31] <jpatrick> awen_: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[20:31]  * nareshov shall remember
[20:32] <awen_> thanks
[21:00] <sobersabre> hi guys.
[21:00] <sobersabre> I'm trying to download the alpha6 via the torrent.
[21:01] <sobersabre> it is hell slow!
[21:02] <firephoto> Riddell: bug 203681 ... the old kde4 packages. it because of the old packages in universe. source of problems for people in #kubuntu-kde4 more than a few times.
[21:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203681 in kde4addons "kde4addons: dependency problems" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203681
[21:04] <Riddell> firephoto: hmm, they're only in gutsy though, not much we can do about them now
[21:07] <nixternal> they should have follwed the instructions on kubuntu.org
[21:08] <firephoto> I can't imagine anyone has them installed and is using them daily but I don't know if there's a process for removing packages like that but it would be better than them being installable.
[21:08] <nixternal> you can file a removal request, but it will (99.9%) more than likely get denied by archive admins if it makes it that far
[21:09] <nixternal> sobersabre: nothing we can do about torrent speeds
[21:10] <awen_> will update-manager disable extra sources... or will all sources just have a s/gutsy/hardy?
[21:10] <sobersabre> nixternal: when is going the beta to be avail ?
[21:10] <nixternal> ubw: HardyReleaseSchedule
[21:10] <nixternal> that worked, I am in irssi, not Konqueror :p
[21:11] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyReleaseSchedule
[21:11] <nixternal> s/ubw\:/\/ubw/
[21:11] <awen_> nixternal: if the latter is the case transition packages could be uploaded to the kde4-ppa?
[21:12] <Riddell> awen_: it disables extra ones
[21:12]  * nixternal goes to school
[21:12] <nixternal> later!
[21:12] <awen_> okay (then it doesn't work :/ )
[21:12] <nareshov> hmm, I thought nixternal was working in MS
[21:20] <Riddell> he's learning something better
[21:34] <james_w> Hi all. I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/147721
[21:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147721 in kde-guidance "displayconfig-gtk crashed with IndexError in _syncXorgConfig()" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:35] <james_w> I think that it is really a bug in guidance-backends, rather than displayconfig-gtk.
[21:36] <james_w> I have talked to bryce, and he says that the new xrandr gui tool in hardy doesn't use guidance-backends, so it is safe, and displayconfig-gtk was never meant to handle the situation that triggers the bug.
[21:36] <Riddell> james_w: ScottK is our current guidance hero
[21:36] <james_w> However I wanted to know if there was anything in kubuntu that uses the guidance-backends (or indeed DisplayConfig or displayconfigabstraction) before I drop the bug.
[21:37] <Riddell> james_w: yes, displayconfig does :)
[21:37] <Riddell> in kde 3
[21:37] <Lure> Riddell: sorry, no testing today - download is just too slow (5KB/s)
[21:37] <james_w> If there is then it is worth chasing down the bug as it will probably bite someone in the ass at somepoint.
[21:37] <Riddell> kde 4 has an xrandr tool
[21:37] <james_w> Riddell: ok, thanks.
[21:38] <james_w> bryce made it sounds like it could never be made to really work, but at least we could stop it falling over so spectacularly.
[21:38] <Riddell> that has been ScottK's tactic with his recent fixes
[21:41]  * Nightrose is still downloading the second image at 10 KiB/s...
[21:42] <Riddell> Lure, Nightrose: it might pick up if you stop it and restart with wget -c
[21:42] <Nightrose> hmm might try that
[21:42] <Nightrose> thx
[21:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: bug 203690 for you
[21:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203690 in kubuntu-meta "kdesudo does not display correct comment in some cases" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203690
[21:44] <Nightrose> woah 100 \o/
[21:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting
[21:45] <Riddell> I imagine there's a perfectly rational explanation
[21:46] <Tonio_> yes, that's a kde bug ;)
[21:46] <Tonio_> we had the same with kdesudo kde3
[21:46] <Tonio_> lemme look at the code
[21:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact we have to load KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceDir("apps","/usr/share/applications/kde");
[21:48] <Tonio_> otherwise, desktop file icons are not resolvable
[21:48] <Tonio_> that sounds like a bug to me, as /usr/share/applications/kde is supposed to be a standardir I assume...
[21:48] <Tonio_> lemme look at kde4 code
[21:48] <Tonio_> hum, haha :)
[21:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: we are changing kde4 path right ? ;)
[21:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, nope, the issue is still there with kde3.... seems to be due to X-KDE-SubstituteUID
[21:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: when using kdesudo "mycommand" as the exec command, it works, but fails when using X-KDE-SubstituteUID.... desktop files informations are not visible
[21:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, little issue and probably very hard to fix, as the X-KDE-SubstituteUID is deeply in kdelibs, I'm confirming the bug and will work on that one later, but that's not a priority for hardy imho
[21:55] <Tonio_> hum isn't that just the fact that the path is complete ? seems to be that :)
[21:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I know how to fix, will do  :)
[22:07] <seele> Riddell: to add to your list of things that shouldnt be in Kickoff.. Marble is installed with two Kickoff entries.  One in Education (where I assume is the correct place) but then again in Utilities > More Applications (why it is here I have no clue)
[22:08] <seele> oh what the hell
[22:09] <seele> Riddell: it is both Utilities and Utilities > More Applications
[22:09] <seele> lol
[22:09] <seele> maybe that is a packaging problem
[22:11] <Riddell> ah, ScottK2
[22:11] <ScottK2> Hello
[22:12] <Riddell> seele: "Categories=Qt;KDE;Education;Utility;X-KDE-More;Science;"  looks like a marble bug
[22:12] <Riddell> seele: added to me post-beta todo list
[22:12] <Riddell> ScottK2: james_w was just wondering about bug 147721
[22:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147721 in kde-guidance "displayconfig-gtk crashed with IndexError in _syncXorgConfig()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147721
[22:13] <ScottK2> I saw that in my bugmail.
[22:14]  * ScottK2 looks at it.
[22:14] <james_w> Hi ScottK
[22:14] <james_w> there's a lot of noise in the bug I'm afriad.
[22:14] <ScottK2> OK.
[22:15] <james_w> I was saying that it's a bug on the QA team's hardy list, but it is not important for Ubuntu hardy now, as the xrandr gui tool is preferred.
[22:15] <ScottK2> Right.  The crash in commetn 5 is now fixed.
[22:16] <james_w> however it's still probably a bug in kde-guidance, so I came here to find out whether it was important for Kubuntu hardy.
[22:16] <james_w> I don't think http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9622580/Traceback.txt is
[22:17] <james_w> (I haven't tested at all, just peered at the code)
[22:17] <ScottK2> james_w: One of the beauties of Python is it's easy to trap errors and have the program not die.
[22:17] <james_w> true.
[22:18] <james_w> Are you fixing this above that code then?
[22:18] <james_w> fixing these, sorry.
[22:18] <ScottK2> With some minimal lying to it, displayconfig will eventually do the right thing sort of in most cases.
[22:18] <ScottK2> I hadn't seen that bug until now, but I can at least not crash in that case.
[22:19] <james_w> yeah, it's a shame it wasn't reassigned earlier.
[22:19] <ScottK2> james_w: I've fixed some similar ones, but not that one.
[22:19] <james_w> ScottK: cool.
[22:20] <ScottK2> Most of the comments in that bug are about a lack of serverlayout section.  That's I've fixed.  If it's missing, I just add one and it seems to work.
[22:21] <james_w> :-)
[22:22] <ScottK2> I've assigned myself the bug.
[22:23] <ScottK2> Riddell: Additionally, there was an apport bug that meant that in many (most) cases were weren't getting apport reports on guidance crashes.  pitti has fixed that and it's waiting to be accepted, so we should get a better idea soon of home much it's still crashing.
[22:24] <ScottK2> Riddell: Is Guidance still being worked on upstream?
[22:25] <Riddell> ScottK2: not currently, sime is mostly working on pykde itself
[22:25] <james_w> ScottK: great, thanks.
[22:25] <ScottK2> Riddell: Someone is going to need to teach it to speak to xrandr.  I'm not the guy for the job.
[22:26] <awen_> the "about kubuntu" icon appears twice on the desktop (only one of them works) on the newest live-cd... should i report a bug for that, or is someone already looking at that?
[22:26] <awen_> ^^^ kde4
[22:26] <ScottK2> Howdy awen_.  You going to have some more power manager patches for after the beta release?
[22:28] <awen_> ScottK2: I have one thing more regarding brightness, I was going to look at... but the biggest problem right now is that the brightnessUp is broken somewhere between acpi and the dcop call, and just can't figure out where; and the little fix is pretty useless when this doesn't work
[22:30] <Riddell> ScottK2: there is already a KDE 4 kcontrol module to talk xrandr, I'd expect displayconfig to be retired after this release
[22:30] <Riddell> awen_: about kubuntu issue is on my todo
[22:30] <awen_> Riddell: okay... won't include that then
[22:31] <awen_> Riddell: regarding display config in kde4: bug 202843
[22:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202843 in kdebase-workspace "Can't change settings in size & orientation in kcmshell4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202843
[22:31] <Riddell> awen_: yep, I hope that gets fixed
[22:32] <awen_> Riddell: do we have another bug report fro that; or should we confirm it + mark importance on this one?
[22:33] <Riddell> awen_: it's an upstream issue I'd think
[22:33] <seele> Riddell: may i ask how long your todo list is? :D
[22:33] <Riddell> seele: should keep me busy until release :)
[22:34] <seele> hehe.. but what about everything that gets added from now until release?
[22:36] <awen_> ScottK2: http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/hal-spec/hal-spec.html#device-properties-laptop-panel - we should look at "laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware" ... that's what I wanted to fix?
[22:43] <ScottK2> Riddell: You think this is that last kde3 release then?
[22:46] <seele> if kde 4.1 isn't ready for mainstream use by october, we've got some problems
[22:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 203690 fixed
[22:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203690 in kubuntu-meta "kdesudo does not display correct comment in some cases" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203690
[22:48] <awen_> Tonio_: kdesudo-kde4 you are working at?
[22:48] <Tonio_> awen_: kde3 version atm
[22:49] <Tonio_> awen_: but the fix for kde4 is the same, I'll release a second kde4 version friday
[22:49] <awen_> Tonio_: if you are looking at kde4 version... bug 203344
[22:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203344 in kdesudo-kde4 "[Hardy] kdesudo does not use correct PATH variable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203344
[22:50] <Tonio_> awen_: lemme look
[22:51] <Tonio_> awen_: hum afaik this works..... lemme check
[22:52] <awen_> Tonio_: just checked on the live-cd ... i get a popup "Command failed"
[22:52] <awen_> missing tab completion in konsole, both kde3 and kde4 version... is that a known problem (can't locate a bug report)?
[22:53] <Tonio_> awen_: okay I'll try on a kde4 full session
[22:53] <ScottK2> awen_: I have a laptop with no brightness if I can help you work on it, it would be great.
[22:55] <awen_> ScottK2: you mean, that it isn't done in hardware on yours?
[22:55] <Tonio_> awen_: right, this is not a kdesudo issue, but a sudo one, or I'd say a kde4 one :)
[22:55] <Tonio_> awen_: kdesudo uses sudo, which doesn't preserve the current path
[22:56] <ScottK2> awen_: I haven't investigated it in detail.  IIRC brightness worked in Feisty and/or Gutsy and doesn't now.  You'll see I put a patch in about not crashing if there was no brightness.  I was able to trigger that one on my laptop.
[22:56] <Tonio_> awen_: I'd say sudo should be patched to preserve path
[22:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can workarround with kdesudo-kde4 reexporting the shell path, but as sudo as a build option to preserve env variables, I must say I don't know what to do....
[22:58] <awen_> ScottK2: that's a HAL issue i would assume ?
[22:59] <ScottK2> awen_: I assume.  Wanna fix that?
[22:59] <Tonio_> ScottK2: any opinion regarding to kde4 and the path env variable ?
[22:59] <ScottK2> I have no opinions at all on KDE4.
[23:00] <ScottK2> Generically, I think kdesudo should be like sudo on such things, but that's just a guess with not a lot of thought behind it.
[23:00] <awen_> ScottK2: I could look at it... make an LP bug with the relevant lshal output, and assign me to it; i think that would be easiest?
[23:01] <ScottK2> OK.  I'm not on that laptop now, so it'll be a bit.
[23:02] <Tonio_> awen_: can you ping me tomorrow so that we can discuss this with Riddell ?
[23:02] <Tonio_> awen_: I know how to fix, but I think we should do it differently
[23:04] <awen_> Tonio_: I'll do that... but I wont be online before around 22h UTC tomorrow
[23:05] <awen_> ScottK2: will not look at it until around thursday anyway, so that's okay... and also remember the generic "computer" part of the HAL output :)
[23:06] <ScottK2> OK.  First time I've tried to report a HAL bug, so I'll do my best.
[23:06] <Tonio_> awen_: oki, I'll be connected anyway ;)
[23:07] <awen_> ScottK2: if in doubt, just attach the complete lshal, and I should be able to dig it out ;)
[23:07] <ScottK2> OK
[23:08]  * awen_ is rather amazed at the speed of the live-cd desktop of kde4
[23:14] <Tonio_> seele: I fixed your kdesudo problem for kde3, kde4 will be fixed and released on friday
[23:18] <awen_> any reason why both konsoles is included on the kde4 live-cd?
[23:30] <awen_> ScottK2: update: probably having two updates to kde-guidance-powermanager; I'll hopefully also have a fix for bug 202867 later this week
[23:30] <nixternal_> probably because we are pulling in kdebase
[23:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202867 in kde-guidance "Battery is "not present" in Hardy on hp6720s" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202867
[23:30] <nixternal_> haven't looked through the seeds
[23:31] <ScottK2> awen_: OK.  I've got a couple more small displayconfig things to consider.
[23:32] <ScottK2> awen_: The other thing you should know is that for some time now apport has been crashing on many (most) guidance crashes and so they don't get automatically reported.  pitti has fixed apport and it's waiting to be accepted.  Once that's out, I expect we'll see more crash reports.
[23:33] <awen_> ScottK2: that sounds reasonable to expect... I'll have a look for bug reports against the powermanager-part when I've fixed the other two issues
[23:34] <ScottK2> awen_: Do you have multiple dists on your Hardy machine?
[23:34] <ScottK2> dists/disks
[23:35] <awen_> ScottK2: nope... it's a laptop; so I only have multiple partitions
[23:35] <ScottK2> Mine too.
[23:35] <ScottK2> There's a UUID releted bug in mountconfig that I've been scared to mess with.
[23:36] <awen_> ScottK2: should you be able to test it using a live-cd?
[23:36] <awen_> ScottK2: btw, have you looked at bug 48008 regarding your upcoming changes to displayconfig?
[23:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48008 in kde-guidance "Modifies xorg.conf way too heavily on resolution change" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48008
[23:37] <ScottK2> awen_: I looked at it and my eyes got blurry.
[23:38] <awen_> ScottK2: okay... but it does really mess things up; and not even the backup it makes is usable
[23:38] <ScottK2> awen_: I've not experienced it myself, so it's hard for me to sort through.
[23:39] <ScottK2> I should probably upgrade this laptop to Hardy so I have more diverse hardware to play with.
[23:39] <awen_> ScottK2: I have a rather minimalistic xorg.conf (no modes in it) ... and that seems to confuse it
[23:40] <ScottK2> awen_: Would it hurt to add the missing section?
[23:41] <ScottK2> My strategy for the missing ServerLayout crash was to detect it missing, create a generic one, and then lie to displayconfig.
[23:41] <awen_> ScottK2: not really... but I read through the xrandr / new xorg recommendations regarding xorg.conf files, and followed those to the point
[23:41] <ScottK2> That's easy enough to do if there are xorg.conf bits that can be made sufficiently generic to not be actively harmful.
[23:41] <milian_> is it just me who's missing many libraries for configuring konqueror for example
[23:42] <milian_> or in systemsettings
[23:42] <milian_> using kubuntu-kde4 hardy
[23:42] <ScottK2> awen_: We are far away from recommended here.  This is more about hacking our way to something semi working.
[23:42] <ScottK2> So if we can catch a missing xorg.conf bit, add it, and have displayconfig play nice without hurting anything, I think we should.
[23:44] <awen_> ScottK2: yeah... but in my case it actually removes all my depth-modes given except one; removed my virtual desktop settings, and added a modeline containing 640x480 only
[23:44] <ScottK2> awen_: With your xorg.conf as you made it or with the missing bits added?
[23:45] <awen_> ScottK2: that was a xorg.conf without modelines... and the result after rotating the desktop, and rotating it back
[23:46] <ScottK2> awen_: Does it work if your xorg has modelines?
[23:46]  * awen_ is testing...
[23:46] <ScottK2> OK
[23:47] <Nightrose> testing hardy alternate kde 3 now
[23:49] <awen_> ScottK2: no ... all SubSection "Display" except one is gone; virtual size is set down to 640x480 and my modeline is reducet to contain only 640x480
[23:49] <ScottK2> awen_: OK.  Nothing simple we can do to help that case then.
[23:51] <awen_> ScottK2: okay... let's hope for an xrandr-based backend for hardy+1
[23:51] <ScottK2> awen_: The two things I'm planning on focusing on to release for displayconfig are: 1. Don't crash and 2. automatically discover the monitor config if there is no xorg at all.  I think display rotation, dual monitors, etc aren't going to make it.
[23:51] <Nightrose> meh or maybe not... - download b0rked again :( - will continue tomorrow
[23:51] <ScottK2> awen_: Yeah
[23:51] <ScottK2> awen_: Patches gratefully accepted of course.  If you get a flash of genius for displayconfig I won't mind a bit.
[23:53] <awen_> ScottK2: sounds like the right focus... but not likely with patches; there seems to be enough to look at regarding p-m
[23:53] <ScottK2> OK.
[23:53] <ScottK2> Fair enough.