[00:05] <spide1> quick question: does anyone know if the support for the broadcom 43xx wireless card is any better in 8.04?
[00:06] <unbanRONANDI> anyone know how long bans taking away ur right to talk last in #ubuntu?
[00:06] <DanaG> Heh, gnome-system-monitor's sorting leaves a lot to be desired.
[00:07] <DanaG> It thinks 20 MB > 1.2 GB; apparently it ignores units.
[00:07] <aaron__> i am having a lot of trouble with wireless on hardy.  Is anyone else?
[00:08] <Ienorand> I'm having a lot of trouble with _wired_ network at the moment.
[00:09] <KalEl> ohh
[00:09] <aaron__> I think that the problems probably came with the recent updates
[00:09] <DanaG> NetworkManager sucks at roaming between different APs of the same SSID.
[00:09] <DanaG> Oh heck, it sucks at roaming, period.
[00:10] <KalEl> oh no i recently updated
[00:10] <aaron__> What is weird is that I set the hex password for my ssid, and it says that the reception is at 100%
[00:10] <spide1> I really like using wicd, but the wireless drivers have been my issue
[00:10] <DanaG> Try using your laptop while riding a bus, and you'll see that it stops updating the list of networks after a while.
[00:11] <Ienorand> Yea, I've heard there were some changes in acpi recently, which may cause trouble...
[00:11] <DanaG> For example, I'll pass an area with 20 networks, then go into an area with zero, and it'll still show the 20.
[00:11] <spide1> yeah
[00:11] <DanaG> Then I'll go into another area with 15 or so, and it'll show none at all.
[00:11] <spide1> what if you refresh the list, does it update correctly?
[00:11] <DanaG> There is no manual refresh.
[00:12] <Ienorand> At the moment I can't get connection at all, and thus cannot do updates...
[00:12] <AirBender> DanaG: I think that's not only Networkmanager, I's more likely the scanning process itself, wich is part of the wireless driver I think
[00:12] <DanaG> I end up having to killall NetworkManager (what the heck kind of person names their thing in caps?)
[00:12] <DanaG> Often I'll start NetworkManager again and it'll work again.
[00:13] <DanaG> Sometimes, though, the card will have mysteriously broken -- and then, if I try to modprobe -r iwl3945, modprobe will hang and eat 100% of one of my CPU cores, and be completely unkillable.
[00:13] <spide1> what if you do a "iwlist scanning"
[00:14] <DanaG> I'm not having the issue right now, but it'll sometimes work and sometimes not work.
[00:14] <DanaG> Easy way to run into the issues: use suspend, and then move elsewhere.  Oh, or ride a bus with your laptop and repeatedly open and close the applet's menu.
[00:15] <DanaG> (the point of using a bus is that you aren't driving it.)
[00:15] <KalEl> yes
[00:17] <theunixgeek> Does Hardy have a new usplash? :S
[00:17] <DanaG> Not currently.
[00:17] <AirBender> I think that's the scanning algorithm... It seems like the scanning algorithm has some kind of memory that acts like a dumping effect...
[00:17] <theunixgeek> I just upgraded to Alpha 6 and now the usplash is like the live cd one, where the progerss bar bobs back and forth
[00:18] <DanaG> Oh, I guess that part is new; the theme just hasn't changed.
[00:18] <theunixgeek> ok
[00:18] <Ienorand> it does in the beginning at least
[00:18] <theunixgeek> Ienorand: does that mean after first boot it stops that?
[00:18] <theunixgeek> Ienorand: or just after a while?
[00:18] <Ienorand> is that like the "detecting hardware stage" or something?
[00:18] <DanaG> It "throbs" until root is mounted.
[00:19] <theunixgeek> ok
[00:19] <DanaG> I think that's it.
[00:19] <theunixgeek> DanaG: does it take too long for root to mount?
[00:19] <Ienorand> Nah, at least for me it does at every boot
[00:19] <theunixgeek> Ienorand: ok, for how long? because it's taking quite a while.
[00:19] <Ienorand> for me... maybe ~10 seconds
[00:19] <theunixgeek> yay it's going!
[00:19] <theunixgeek> ....
[00:20] <theunixgeek> something about BusyBox appeared
[00:20] <Ienorand> at least not more than 20.
[00:20] <theunixgeek> it's doing suff
[00:20] <theunixgeek> Ienorand: well, it's my first boot with Hardy :)
[00:20] <Ienorand> Oh, pray !
[00:21] <DanaG> Argh, quodlibet is buggy.
[00:21] <theunixgeek> hmm... it keeps repeating something about Emask status DRDY
[00:21] <DanaG> It's stopped showing any contents of any folders.
[00:21] <KalEl> for me it searches for a non-existent /dev/rtc during boot, which keeps it busy for a couple of seconds
[00:22] <theunixgeek> I'm gonna force shutdown
[00:22] <theunixgeek> reboot
[00:22] <DanaG> Argh, had to restart quodlibet.
[00:22] <Ienorand> Raise the elephants...
[00:24] <theunixgeek> hmm.... upgrading to hardy broke my install I think
[00:24] <DanaG> Well, try an old kernel.
[00:24] <Ienorand> theunixgeek: If it doesn't completely halt for a minute or so, don't restart yet...
[00:24] <theunixgeek> Ienorand: oh
[00:24] <theunixgeek> woops
[00:24] <theunixgeek> Ienorand: already did
[00:24] <theunixgeek> loong time ago
[00:25] <Ienorand> yea...
[00:25] <Ienorand> At some points I get a bit of errors but the whole thing turns out okay in the end...
[00:26] <KalEl> ok i'm going to restart now after a long update... hope the computer reboots right... otherwise... goodbye cruel world!
[00:26] <Ienorand> Although i haven't seen the errors you're desscribing...
[00:27] <theunixgeek> Ienorand: it keeps bleating [NUMBER] ata2.00:status:{DRDY}
[00:29] <DanaG> [NUMBER] is a timestamp.
[00:29] <Ienorand> As I said, I have no good clue about the actual errors, but I just know that it might work if one leaves it for a while to run through all the errors.
[00:29] <KalEl> it... worked! :)
[00:29] <theunixgeek> DanaG: like [416.659279] ?
[00:29] <theunixgeek> KalEl: not for me :(
[00:29] <DanaG> So when you google for the error, leave out the timestamp.  Yes.
[00:30] <Ienorand> but then again, it might just be broken....
[00:30] <DanaG> Hmm, what kernel?
[00:31] <theunixgeek> How do I fix this? :(
[00:31] <theunixgeek> DanaG: whichever one Hardy has
[00:32] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[00:32] <DanaG> Try booting the old .22-14-generic one.
[00:32] <theunixgeek> ok
[00:33] <theunixgeek> it reboot
[00:33] <theunixgeek> *rebooted
[00:34] <theunixgeek> i went into recovery mode
[00:37] <spide1> I wouldn't use 2.6.24-12
[00:37] <spide1> sound stopped working for me with that one, still using 24-11
[00:38] <DanaG> sound in -12 has been fixed, actually.
[00:43] <theunixgeek> How can I get my resolution up to 1280 x 1024? It's not available in either Screen Resolution nor Screens and Graphics
[00:45] <Ienorand> Think you have to set another default screen
[00:46] <theunixgeek> Ienorand: how?
[00:46] <Ienorand> In administration -screens and graphics, or something like that
[00:47] <theunixgeek> Ienorand: not there
[00:48] <Ienorand> You weren't able to set a different screen there?
[00:49] <theunixgeek>  no
[00:50] <Ienorand> um... there should be some screen selection in the admin menu I think, might be just in preferences...
[00:50] <theunixgeek> hmm... I'll try installing nvidia-settings
[00:50] <theunixgeek> I hate how GTK tries to oop C...
[00:50] <theunixgeek> doesn't work
[00:51] <theunixgeek> should just use D or C++
[00:51] <theunixgeek> or C#
[00:51] <theunixgeek> I know they exist
[00:51] <theunixgeek> but by default
[00:51] <Ienorand> and you could probably edit xorg.conf manually somehow, but I am not the one to tell you how...
[00:51] <RAOF> theunixgeek: On the other hand, interop with !C is really, really hard.
[00:51] <theunixgeek> interop?
[00:52] <RAOF> As in "I'd like to write some python bindings".
[00:52] <theunixgeek> ok
[00:52] <RAOF> Replace python with $LANGUAGE_OF_CHOICE
[00:52] <theunixgeek> I love the new login screen
[00:52] <theunixgeek> I'm surprised how early the artwork came in!
[00:53] <theunixgeek> ctrl-alt-backspace restarts the x server, right?
[00:53] <RAOF> Yup
[00:54] <theunixgeek> RAOF: I installed nvidia-settings and it told me to run nvidia-xconfig and restart the x server and it still says I didn't do that.
[00:55] <RAOF> theunixgeek: What did running "nvidia-xconfig" say?
[00:55] <RAOF> (Hint: probably something along the lines of "permission denied" :))
[00:55] <theunixgeek> no
[00:56] <RAOF> So what _did_ it say?
[00:56] <RAOF> Pastebin is your friend.
[00:56] <RAOF> !pastebin | theunixgeek
[00:56] <ubotu> theunixgeek: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[00:57] <theunixgeek> RAOF: it said it wrote the new xorg.conf file well and that all is fine :)
[00:57] <theunixgeek> but it isn't :(
[00:57] <RAOF> Wanna pastebin /etc/
[00:57] <RAOF> X11/xorg.conf?
[00:57] <theunixgeek> h/o
[00:57] <theunixgeek> (hold on)
[00:58] <theunixgeek> RAOF: http://theunixgeek.pastebin.com/m7b710662
[00:59] <theunixgeek> gotta go
[00:59] <theunixgeek> bye
[00:59] <Ienorand> bye
[01:00] <icesword> god
[01:00] <icesword> is beta out
[01:00] <Ienorand> not yet I think
[01:00] <icesword> so when
[01:01] <Ienorand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[01:02] <virtuald> so every time my computer boots, according to dmesg it takes 13 seconds to initialize the console
[01:02] <Ienorand> scheduled on the 20th, today be 18th
[01:03] <virtuald> any thoughts on how to make that shorter?
[01:03] <icesword> hmm,ok
[01:03] <Black_Magic> Err...
[01:04] <Black_Magic> is it good for compiz.real and compiz to be running at same time...?
[01:04] <Black_Magic> i thought they where same thing...
[01:04] <virtuald> granted its not a huge issue -- cept its my carputer, and I'm trying to make the boot time as small as possible
[01:04] <willis_> compiz is a script hat runs the real.. i thought
[01:04] <Black_Magic> i dont think its good for two compizes to be running at same time..
[01:04] <willis_> I doubt if there are 2 running at the same time
[01:04] <Black_Magic> i thought the official name for compiz is
[01:04] <willis_> Thers a lot of toosl that do a similer thing.
[01:04] <Black_Magic> compiz.real
[01:04] <willis_> try  cat `which compiz` see if its a script..
[01:04] <icesword> so next LTS release will be 9.10?
[01:05] <Black_Magic> when is that?
[01:05] <Black_Magic> also will there be a 8.10?
[01:05] <Flannel> Black_Magic: yes
[01:05] <Jordan_U> Anybody know where the tab completion scripts for apt-get are stored?
[01:05] <Black_Magic> you where right :P Compiz Manager wrapper script
[01:05] <Flannel> icesword: probably not
[01:05] <Black_Magic> will it be LTS?
[01:06] <Flannel> Black_Magic: No
[01:06] <icesword> then?
[01:06] <Black_Magic> since its Hardy just updated...?
[01:06] <Black_Magic> so its like
[01:06] <Black_Magic> ubuntu gusty...?
[01:06] <willis_> Jordan_U,  in /etc/bash-completion or somthing liek that i recall.
[01:06] <Black_Magic> Since 7.04 was Fiesty and its LTS
[01:06] <Flannel> Black_Magic: Its just another release
[01:06] <Flannel> Black_Magic: feisty was not LTS
[01:06] <willis_> :/etc/bash_completion.d
[01:06] <Black_Magic> oh
[01:07] <Black_Magic> so it skipped a err...
[01:07] <Black_Magic> generation
[01:07] <Black_Magic> thats why Gusty was LTS
[01:07] <Flannel> Gutsy isn't LTS either.
[01:07] <Flannel> The only other LTS is 6.06
[01:07] <Black_Magic> :/...
[01:07] <Black_Magic> nice...
[01:07] <virtuald> they're quite far apart
[01:07] <Jordan_U> willis_, I don't see apt-get in there
[01:07] <J-_> <3 Hardy
[01:07] <Black_Magic> hmm my labtop company skipped me out..
[01:08] <Flannel> They'll never be more than 3 years (and actually, can't realistically be more than 2.5 years) apart
[01:08] <Black_Magic> they only gave my labtop 438.6MIB
[01:08] <Black_Magic> same with my friends Comp he was supposed to have 1GIG
[01:08] <Black_Magic> and it was 900MB
[01:08] <virtuald> Black_Magic: video memory takes up the "missing" part
[01:08] <Black_Magic> is there a way to replace ram sticks..
[01:08] <virtuald> and various caching
[01:09] <Black_Magic> Video memeory...?
[01:09] <virtuald> yep
[01:09] <virtuald> you're using an integrated video card
[01:09] <Jordan_U> willis_, nvm, I think it's all in the single /etc/bash_completion file
[01:09] <virtuald> theres no seperate RAM for those
[01:09] <virtuald> it eats out of system memory
[01:09] <Black_Magic> @ math calc 438.6+64
[01:09] <Black_Magic> @math calc 438.6+64
[01:09] <Black_Magic> lol
[01:10] <virtuald> yeah, various caching options too -- video BIOS and normal BIOS too
[01:10] <Black_Magic> why am i always using 84.1% Of Memeory..
[01:10] <icesword> hoho,it is normal
[01:10] <Black_Magic> Hmm im gunna get another 512 Stick of ram
[01:11] <looksie> werd up yall
[01:11] <icesword> why linux uses so much mem,you should ask #kernel
[01:11] <looksie> werd up y'all
[01:12] <virtuald> werd to your momma
[01:12] <Jordan_U> That was surprisingly easy :)
[01:13] <Milos_SD> Why I don't have Screens And Graphic in Administration menu?
[01:13] <Milos_SD> :S
[01:13] <Black_Magic> also is it impossible to login as root in Hardy?
[01:14] <Black_Magic> because if i try and startx from root terminal in recovery mode
[01:14] <looksie> werd to my momma
[01:14] <virtuald> Black_Magic: logging in as root is bad
[01:14] <looksie> ya'll
[01:14] <Black_Magic> i get xserver errors
[01:14] <virtuald> if you want to be root, then sudo su
[01:14] <Black_Magic> virtuald, i know i disabled everything and the kitchen sink for root i just want to see the default hardy
[01:14] <Black_Magic> themes and such
[01:14] <Black_Magic> because i upgraded instead of a new install
[01:15] <virtuald> create a new user then?
[01:15] <Black_Magic> :/...
[01:15] <virtuald> or mv -R ~/ /home/tmp
[01:16] <Black_Magic> nty with the chome moving thing
[01:16] <Black_Magic> *home
[01:16] <virtuald> looksie: your momma
[01:18] <gamergod131> Err...hello. I joined #ubuntu and they told me to come here for help.
[01:18] <virtuald> you must be using hardy
[01:19] <gamergod131> Well, I followed this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=658523&highlight=ipod+classic
[01:19] <gamergod131> to get my ipod working, and it gave me some massive partial update
[01:19] <DanaG> instead of sudo su, you can sudo -i
[01:19] <Black_Magic> i know that
[01:19] <gamergod131> When I rebebooted, it gave me some busybox thing
[01:20] <gamergod131> They told me to f1 into grub menu, and apparently i upgraded to hardy, and it I can't get back to the gui logon screen :(
[01:21] <virtuald> nice
[01:21] <virtuald> sounds like you partially upgraded though
[01:21] <gamergod131> and my keyboard doesn't work after I select an option in grub
[01:21] <gamergod131> and I have no idea what to do
[01:21] <lethalamby> can neone help me with my webcam prob.. forum didn't help much :(
[01:21] <gamergod131> yeah, I was using 7.10 before
[01:22] <Black_Magic> anyone get something like this
[01:22] <gamergod131> so, how do I get back to the gui logon?
[01:22] <Black_Magic>  (nautilus:10813): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported
[01:23] <Black_Magic> or shounldnt i be worried about it
[01:23] <looksie> virtuald: your your momma
[01:23] <gamergod131> ?
[01:23] <looksie> jk
[01:24] <gamergod131> can anyone help me, or would it be better to turn to the forums
[01:24] <virtuald> gamergod: sounds annoying. what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[01:24] <virtuald> probably some error at the end
[01:24] <looksie> just to clarify, you can log on as yourself, but cannot startx?
[01:25] <looksie> gamergod131
[01:25] <gamergod131> I can't use my keybored...
[01:25] <virtuald> even better
[01:25] <Black_Magic> nvm cya
[01:25] <looksie> can you connect to via SSH?
[01:26] <gamergod131> me?
[01:26] <virtuald> yes
[01:26] <looksie> yeah?
[01:26] <looksie> yes
[01:26] <looksie> i mean
[01:26] <gamergod131> Err...no I just installed my first linux distro about a week ago, so I have no idea what you are talking about anyway
[01:27] <virtuald> ah, so you don't have any data on there that you care about?
[01:27] <gamergod131> Let me guess, a format
[01:27] <virtuald> well thats the non-fun way of doing it
[01:27] <virtuald> you could boot into the livecd you installed with
[01:28] <gamergod131> all right, I'll see if i can find it
[01:28] <gamergod131> give me a sec
[01:29] <gamergod131> booting now
[01:29] <gamergod131> which option
[01:29] <gamergod131> just the first one?
[01:29] <virtuald> probably. i've used linux since 2002, but only ubuntu for awhile :)
[01:30] <virtuald> lil while*
[01:30] <lethalamby> virtuald, can u tell me how to use my webcam on lappy
[01:30] <gamergod131> Woah, say hello 800x600
[01:30] <gamergod131> What the
[01:31] <lethalamby> I've installed uvcvideo module of kernel
[01:31] <gamergod131> there are three loading bars on my screen
[01:31] <lethalamby> and I can see my image in gstreamer-properties
[01:31] <gamergod131> err...
[01:31] <lethalamby> but other applications are unable to find a channel
[01:31] <lethalamby> for the webcam
[01:32] <gamergod131> It just shows me a tan screen
[01:32] <gamergod131> nvrm
[01:32] <virtuald> the livecd can be slow :)
[01:32] <gamergod131> Okay, I'm at the desktop
[01:32] <virtuald> lethal: i've not used a webcam in linux
[01:32] <lethalamby> k :(
[01:32] <gamergod131> Have you tried the forums?
[01:32] <lethalamby> ya
[01:33] <gamergod131> Well, guess it's time to pay up then ;)
[01:33] <lethalamby> and then the forum started redirecting me back to login after showing logged in.
[01:33] <lethalamby> pay up
[01:33] <lethalamby> ???
[01:33] <gamergod131> for professional support
[01:33] <virtuald> google is your friend too
[01:33] <gamergod131> that works
[01:33] <lethalamby> ya tried that
[01:34] <lethalamby> can get input in test mode
[01:34] <lethalamby> no application I could find is able to detect the device though
[01:34] <gamergod131> so what should i be looking for?
[01:35] <ogre> hey guys, just wanted to mention something scary. fresh ubuntu install fresh hardy upgrade. all of the sudden I was in the middle of a full root account
[01:36] <virtuald> gamergod: good question. :) see, if i was in gentoo, I would chroot into the hard drive, and then run an update
[01:36] <virtuald> fix things up and such
[01:36] <virtuald> i would say you need to mount the drive though, remove that line from that file
[01:36] <gamergod131> which file
[01:37] <virtuald> the link to the forum mentioned you updated a file... /etc/apt something or other
[01:37] <virtuald> /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:37] <virtuald> you added a hardy repository to it
[01:37] <virtuald> so it needs to be removed
[01:37] <lethalamby> disconnected :(
[01:38] <virtuald> the last line, it'll have hardy in it
[01:38] <lethalamby> hey virtuald
[01:38] <virtuald> hi
[01:38] <lethalamby> whats new in 8.1 release
[01:38] <lethalamby> I mean Hardy Heron
[01:38] <virtuald> well, my touchscreen works better :)
[01:39] <lethalamby> u have a tablet
[01:39] <lethalamby> nice :)
[01:39] <virtuald> no, a carputer
[01:39] <gamergod131> All right, what now
[01:39] <eegore> Hardy is Alpha 6 but is acting like beta 3
[01:39] <virtuald> you removed the line?
[01:39] <lethalamby> eegore, nice
[01:39] <enigma-patrol> I have had Hardy for a few days and it has been very nice to me!
[01:39] <gamergod131> yeah
[01:40] <virtuald> i would open a terminal then, and do a
[01:40] <lethalamby> I had a prob with reloading GRUB
[01:40] <virtuald> chroot /dev/<devicename> /bin/bash
[01:40] <virtuald> where <devicename> is your hard drive device file
[01:40] <lethalamby> the live CD's never wanted to recognise my hd0
[01:41] <lethalamby> not mine actually
[01:41] <eegore> KDE 4 isa going in too
[01:41] <lethalamby> ne suggestions
[01:41] <lethalamby> kewl
[01:41] <virtuald> gamergod: then do a
[01:41] <eegore> all this on an old Toshiba believe it or not
[01:41] <lethalamby> whoaaa
[01:41] <virtuald> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:41] <lethalamby> thats the power of linux for u (Y)
[01:42] <virtuald> possibly a sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:42] <lethalamby> that takes a long long time with my connection :(
[01:42] <virtuald> then reboot and see what happens
[01:42] <virtuald> unless the above commands didn't actually appear to do anything
[01:42] <lethalamby> virtuald, what can be a problem when live cd not able to write MBR
[01:42] <lethalamby> ???
[01:43] <virtuald> lethal: do you have "Virus warning" enabled in BIOS? might cause that
[01:43] <virtuald> or "MBR protection"
[01:44] <lethalamby> hmm
[01:44] <lethalamby> ne other possibility
[01:44] <lethalamby> ??
[01:45] <virtuald> tons
[01:45] <virtuald> i never liked the ubuntu installers
[01:45] <gamergod131> hmm
[01:45] <gamergod131> chroot says i dont have permission
[01:45] <lethalamby> thats not ubuntu specific
[01:45] <LeerokLacerta> I love the Ubuntu installers.
[01:45] <Dr_willis> You need to setup the /dev/ thing properly when you chroot.
[01:45] <LeerokLacerta> Compare it to Windows.
[01:45] <virtuald> sudo
[01:46] <Dr_willis> othereise you cant write to the /dev/ entries.
[01:46] <lethalamby> I love apt-get in linux
[01:46] <lethalamby> nothing like on necessity applications :)
[01:46] <lethalamby> and that too customisable
[01:46] <LeerokLacerta> apt-get makes installers almost obsolete.
[01:46] <LeerokLacerta> No more InstallShield.
[01:46] <lethalamby> still I am now preferring source codes
[01:46] <lethalamby> ya
[01:47] <virtuald> when i said installers, i meant the initial install
[01:47] <virtuald> apt is nice
[01:47] <LeerokLacerta> apt-get build-dep
[01:47] <LeerokLacerta> apt-get source -b
[01:47] <LeerokLacerta> Aye, the initial install of Ubuntu is excellent compared to Windoze.
[01:47] <lethalamby> virtuald, u mean booting by a live CD and then installing
[01:47] <gamergod131> ughh
[01:47] <virtuald> yep
[01:47] <LeerokLacerta> Make it install and browse the internet in the meantime.
[01:47] <lethalamby> ya
[01:47] <virtuald> gamergod131: not working?
[01:48] <lethalamby> and it gives no interrupts in between
[01:48] <gamergod131> I caznt update since i have no internet w/ wifi rt73 drivers
[01:48] <virtuald> ah
[01:48] <virtuald> well... theres probably a way to do it from the livecd... not sure what that is, however
[01:48] <lethalamby> virtuald,  do wat ??
[01:48] <lethalamby> gamergod131, wats the prob on urs ??
[01:49] <virtuald> gamergod: no hard wire available?
[01:49] <lethalamby> whoa
[01:49] <gamergod131> not booting right
[01:50] <lethalamby> not booting right
[01:50] <lethalamby> u mean grub having problems
[01:50] <lethalamby> or no grub ?
[01:50] <virtuald> he added a hardy repository
[01:50] <gamergod131> nope, nearest outlet is over 50ft away
[01:50] <virtuald> without actually upgrading
[01:50] <lethalamby> and finally he suffers
[01:50] <gamergod131> this will be the third time this week that I've had to format
[01:51] <virtuald> haha, well.. gotta learn somehow
[01:51] <lethalamby> gamergod131, u say u cannot update
[01:51] <lethalamby> coz no drivers
[01:51] <gamergod131> yeah
[01:51] <lethalamby> how come chatting
[01:51] <lethalamby> ??
[01:51] <lethalamby> different pc
[01:51] <lethalamby> ??
[01:51] <gamergod131> using dads vista laptop
[01:51] <virtuald> thats one thing i liked about gentoo... really forced you to learn how to make things work
[01:51] <virtuald> way annoying though
[01:52] <virtuald> lol
[01:52] <lethalamby> ya
[01:52] <lethalamby> u learn a lot abt making things work in linux ;)
[01:52] <gamergod131> is there an idiot proof linux distro
[01:52] <lethalamby> esp coz of such good worldwide tech support
[01:52] <lethalamby> gamergod131, ya there is
[01:52] <LeerokLacerta> Idiot proof?
[01:52] <lethalamby> :)
[01:53] <LeerokLacerta> Nothing is idiot proof.
[01:53] <lethalamby> proofs the comp from idiots
[01:53] <lethalamby> and not let them do anyhting
[01:53] <lethalamby> :D
[01:53] <lethalamby> biggrin
[01:53] <virtuald> gamergod: ubuntu is IMHO closest to idiot proof
[01:53] <virtuald> my friends gf uses it... and shes a moron
[01:53] <LeerokLacerta> Get DOS.
[01:53] <virtuald> YES!
[01:53] <lethalamby> DOS
[01:53] <HardyOne> hahahaha
[01:53] <LeerokLacerta> Idiots cannot do anything.
[01:53] <lethalamby> good old days
[01:53] <hydrogen> no, it's just dangerous enough for idiots to hurt themselves.
[01:53] <lethalamby> ha ha
[01:53] <LeerokLacerta> Write protect the floppy.
[01:54] <lethalamby> I had a pc that had a lock
[01:54] <lethalamby> turn it off and it won;t boot
[01:54] <lethalamby> 1992
[01:54] <lethalamby> good old times
[01:54] <lethalamby> :)
[01:55] <savvas> has anyone noticed that the replace command is missing?
[01:55] <LeerokLacerta> Oivey.
[01:55] <LeerokLacerta> What is replace?
[01:55] <lethalamby> has neone noticed that there is no op on the channel :O
[01:55] <savvas> woops false alarm :P
[01:55] <HardyOne> lethalamby, there never is any
[01:55] <lethalamby> hmm
[01:55] <savvas> lethalamby: don't try anything funny :)
[01:55] <HardyOne> except if you provoke them'
[01:55] <lethalamby> nice :)
[01:56] <savvas> woops false alarm :P LeerokLacerta: I wanted the rename command
[01:56] <savvas> bad habit of re*forgetting commands :P
[01:56] <lethalamby> really bad :P
[01:57] <HardyOne> brasero is not working for me
[01:57] <HardyOne> :/
[01:57] <retarded> what does it mean when somebody used to look down on my dick like my sister used to? and i got angry at her for that and police called me the one for sexual harassments. this concept has destroyed my life
[01:57] <HardyOne> !OPS
[01:57] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[01:57] <lethalamby> wasn't working for me
[01:58] <HardyOne> thank you
[01:58] <Pici> welcome.
[01:58] <lethalamby> wat was dat :O
[01:58] <HardyOne> lethalamby, see what I mean
[01:58] <gamergod131> idiot proff as in i can't mess it up for the 4 time thiss week
[01:58] <HardyOne> that was a provocation
[01:58] <lethalamby> I have never been a spammer
[01:59] <lethalamby> specially banning spams on my DC hub
[01:59] <lethalamby> a big one at that
[01:59] <lethalamby> Pici is a user or bot ??
[01:59] <HardyOne> yes
[01:59] <HardyOne> lol
[01:59] <HardyOne> he is a user
[01:59] <Pici> lethalamby: bot I think, I saw him spew similar meaningless rants in #defocus the other day.
[01:59] <Pici> lethalamby: oh.. you mean me.. hah.
[02:00] <lethalamby> thanks Pici
[02:00] <HardyOne> !botsnack | Pici
[02:00] <ubotu> Pici: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[02:00] <Pici> HardyOne: :p
[02:00] <HardyOne> :)
[02:00] <lethalamby> :)
[02:00] <ethana2> :)
[02:00] <HardyOne> Hobbsee, is another bot you dont want to upset
[02:00] <ethana2> on engadget I'm known as 'the linux zealot'
[02:00] <HardyOne> evening Hobbsee
[02:00] <ethana2> heh
[02:00] <Hobbsee> hiya
[02:00] <lethalamby> HardyOne, u using Hardy Heron release ??
[02:01] <HardyOne> yes
[02:01] <ethana2> i think their writers all use macs
[02:01] <HardyOne> installed it today on laptop
[02:01] <ethana2> HardyOne: did you see touchpad prefs?
[02:01] <lethalamby> me using ubuntu ultimate 1.6 :(
[02:01] <ethana2> i have a laptop that doesn't have them
[02:01] <HardyOne> ethana2, have not
[02:01] <ethana2> ...does that mean that touchpad..
[02:01] <ethana2> doesn't support.... that kind of thing?
[02:01] <ethana2> i have another, newer laptop that does
[02:01] <lethalamby> hmm
[02:01] <ethana2> same software, exactly
[02:02] <lethalamby> HardyOne, how can I strip off ubuntu ultimate to basically ubuntu
[02:02] <lethalamby> I do not want to format
[02:02] <HardyOne> fresh install
[02:02] <ethana2> no.
[02:02] <ethana2> change repos
[02:02] <lethalamby> just want to remove beryl
[02:02] <ethana2> swap out your list of apt sources
[02:02] <lethalamby> really frustrates me
[02:02] <HardyOne> changing repos might do it
[02:02] <ethana2> sudo apt-get remove beryl
[02:02] <LeerokLacerta> dpkg --remove beryl
[02:02] <ethana2> or that
[02:02] <lethalamby> or removing modules from kernel
[02:03] <LeerokLacerta> Same thing.
[02:03] <lethalamby> new installer
[02:03] <lethalamby> or old
[02:03] <ethana2> lethalamby: i'd swap apt servers first
[02:03] <ethana2> they may do most of the work for you when you update
[02:03] <lethalamby> ethana2, how to update a specific application
[02:04] <lethalamby> more than 400 updates available
[02:04] <ethana2> lethalamby: i'd update all of them
[02:04] <ethana2> oh
[02:04] <ethana2> yeah, i'd go ahead and do it
[02:04] <ethana2> today's a good day
[02:04] <lethalamby> and I do not have patience to update all with my slow speed
[02:04] <ethana2> tomorrow may not be
[02:04] <ethana2> ohhhh
[02:04] <ethana2> i'm sorry
[02:04] <ethana2> get a new disk via shipit
[02:04] <ethana2> and when it asks you if you want to install the packages on it
[02:04] <ethana2> say yes
[02:04] <lethalamby> hmm
[02:04] <lethalamby> nice Idea
[02:05] <ethana2> or ask someone else to burn you one, may be faster
[02:05] <lethalamby> but it takes abt 25 days
[02:05] <ethana2> you may have another linux user in your neighborhood
[02:05] <lethalamby> college connection
[02:05] <lethalamby> same story everyone
[02:05] <ethana2> i'd recommend that if so
[02:05] <ethana2> ohhhh, i'm sorry
[02:05] <ethana2> what city?
[02:05] <ethana2> even mail is faster
[02:05] <lethalamby> Gandhinagar India
[02:05] <ethana2> oh
[02:05] <ethana2> ok, there i have no clue
[02:05] <lethalamby> its india server rite ??
[02:05] <ethana2> i'm in alaska
[02:06] <lethalamby> u will be having speeds in MBPS
[02:06] <ethana2> how fast is your connection, exactly?
[02:06] <ethana2> yes
[02:06] <lethalamby> here its good if I get 10kbps
[02:06] <lethalamby> :(
[02:06] <ethana2> .75Mbps
[02:06] <ethana2> holy--
[02:06] <lethalamby> ya I know
[02:06] <ethana2> shipit
[02:06] <ethana2> worth the wait
[02:06] <lethalamby> ya
[02:06] <ethana2> ...probably about the same anyway
[02:06] <lethalamby> neways gtg now
[02:06] <HardyOne> how do I kill brasero I have 3 pids
[02:06] <ethana2> might as well not tie up your isp
[02:07] <lethalamby> bye all
[02:07] <ethana2> sudo killall brasero
[02:07] <ethana2> bye, lethal
[02:07] <HardyOne> ethana2, they are still there
[02:07] <ethana2> oh
[02:07] <ethana2> wierd
[02:07] <HardyOne> yeah'
[02:08] <ethana2> i'd restart X
[02:08] <HardyOne> again
[02:08] <DanaG> Best speeds I've ever seen: 30 megabytes per second, on gigabit ethernet in the Cal Poly computer science lab, downloading from mirrors.kernel.org.
[02:08] <HardyOne> lol
[02:08] <DanaG> You haven't seen fast until you've seen 5-digit numbers of kilobytes per second.
[02:08] <ethana2> I had 12Mbit from Cox for two months
[02:08] <ethana2> never got to use more than like 3 though
[02:08] <ethana2> still, 3Mbit solid is fast, for me
[02:08] <ethana2> torrents were amazing
[02:10]  * DanaG wishes Ubuntu would install the gsynaptics touchpad-preferences thingy by default
[02:10] <HardyOne> hmmm brasero is messed up but not giving me any errors
[02:10] <DanaG> And if you're going to use pulseaudio, INSTALL THE GUI!
[02:11] <ethana2> DanaG: heh
[02:11] <DanaG> Pulseaudio without GUI is nearly useless.
[02:11] <ethana2> DanaG: i'm running dual seat, one mono sink for each
[02:11] <DanaG> You figured that one out now?  Cool.
[02:11] <ethana2> DanaG: NEVER say PA is useless without it's utils
[02:11] <ethana2> yes ^_^
[02:11] <DanaG> How'd you do that?
[02:11] <ethana2> some fine folks on that channel
[02:11] <M__> hey just upgraded to hardy from gutsy and shen it starts up on my x60 lenovo laptop about 50% of the cpu is being used by compiz and it is dang slow to use. If I do metacity --replace compiz goes away and all is good. What should I do? was working great in gutsy.
[02:11] <ethana2> step by step help from a ninja
[02:12] <DanaG> Aah, I have the opposite thing: one user (me), multiple audio devices.
[02:12] <ethana2> I still want to combine gnome's panel and window decorator
[02:12] <ethana2> i want the volume applet in each title bar
[02:12] <ethana2> for that app
[02:13] <ethana2> with a sink chooser
[02:16] <DanaG> I want PulseAudio to remember where I last put my audio apps.
[02:17] <DanaG> If the card is not present at start, then it does not remember.
[02:21] <ethana2> DanaG: go on their channel and ask them about it
[02:21] <ethana2> Don't start feeling resentment until they dismiss your idea as horrible
[02:22] <ethana2> like the amarok folks with my variable tempo playback for classical music and rap
[02:29] <rhs> hi, there's no xmms in hardy
[02:29] <rhs> where did it go ?
[02:29] <RAOF> It was (finally) removed from Debian, on the basis that it's been unmaintained for _years_.
[02:30] <rhs> ah, thanks
[02:30] <RAOF> rhs: You're probably after beep, or xmms2, or whatever.
[02:30] <DanaG> Argh, I just got a random, complete, hard lockup.
[02:31] <DanaG> With black screen.
[02:32] <Nilbus> ?wc
[02:40] <ogre>  if i wanted to see what driver my wireless card is using what do I do?I was using ipw3945 in gutsy and now when i go to driver section in "administration" it says no proprietary drivers.
[02:42] <M__> hey just upgraded to hardy from gutsy and shen it starts up on my x60 lenovo laptop about 50% of the cpu is being used by compiz and it is dang slow to use. If I do metacity --replace compiz goes away and all is good. What should I do? was working great in gutsy.
[02:43] <wastrel> hi
[02:47] <M__> anyone?
[02:48] <ethana2> M__: rub your head and pat your belly
[02:49] <ethana2> M__: seriously though, I don't know how to work startup scripts
[02:49] <ethana2> BUM, perhaps?
[02:49] <M__> ethana2, I have been still no good... Should I just uninstall and install from source?
[02:49] <ethana2> no
[02:49] <ethana2> there's a file that tells ubuntu what to load when you log in
[02:50] <ethana2> you need to go there and replace compiz with metacity
[02:50] <ethana2> ..but i don't know what file it is
[02:50] <ethana2> nor how to manipulate it
[02:50] <M__> ethana2, I want compiz working not metacity!
[02:50] <ethana2> you could /try/ BUM
[02:50] <ethana2> oh
[02:50] <ethana2> ...metacity has compositing now
[02:50] <ethana2> ..hmm
[02:50] <ethana2> is it actually compiz that's using all that CPU?
[02:50] <ethana2> what all effects do you have turned on?
[02:51] <ethana2> heh
[02:51] <M__> ethana2, nothing has changed except upgrading and it worked fine before
[02:51] <ethana2> check to see if it's raining in your root window
[02:51] <ethana2> hmm
[02:51] <ethana2> yeah, i don't know
[02:52] <ethana2> you may consider filing a bug
[02:52] <ethana2> in fact, go ahead and do that
[02:52] <ethana2> someone else can help you fine tune it and isolate the exact package
[02:52] <M__> ok thx
[02:57] <Javid> Anyone else notice Hardy taking ages to boot?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Javid: dist-upgraded from gutsy/
[02:58] <Javid> nope, clean install
[02:58] <Javid> it's taking probably 4x as long as a fresh install of Debian on the same configuration
[02:59] <Hobbsee> what does bootchart show?
[02:59] <Javid> what
[02:59] <Javid> I don't know what that is
[02:59] <Hobbsee> it's a package.  apt-cache show bootchart
[03:00] <Javid> hmm
[03:00] <Javid> I'll install it in a week or so when this boot finishes
[03:00] <Javid> :v
[03:01] <shirish> Anybody here having single soundcard?
[03:02] <shirish> I'm just looking for output they get from  cat /proc/asound/cards
[03:02] <Hobbsee>  0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[03:02] <Hobbsee>                       HDA Intel at 0xdfebc000 irq 20
[03:02] <shirish> Hobbsee: thanx
[03:02] <shirish> Hobbsee: nice seeing u here as well
[03:02]  * shirish out
[03:06] <Javid> .
[03:06] <Javid> 6 minutes of booting now
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ouch
[03:07] <Hobbsee> did you boot it without quiet and splash?
[03:09] <DanaG> Argh, if I use vga=anything, my consoles are blank.
[03:11] <Javid> Hobbsee, I have not altered any boot-related settings since installing it
[03:11] <Javid> if I knew how to grease up the boot sequence I'd do it to my main machine :v
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Javid: if you boot without quiet and splash, it should give you an idea of what it's stopping on
[03:13] <jimmygoon> DanaG how random are your crashes? I get full crashes when logging out, restarting gdm, swithcing to ttys... etc...
[03:14] <DanaG> I was messing around in my console and got a lockup, and then once I got some oops or panic or something on trying to modprobe -r fbcon.
[03:14] <DanaG> In addition, the "don't use blacklists in initramfs for vesa" change hasn't taken effect, despite being listed in changelogs!
[03:15] <DanaG> When I go to a console, I have to manually setupcon every time I chvt anywhere.
[03:15] <DanaG> Oddly enough, if I do 'cacafire' while in the no-text state, I can see the background colors.
[03:16]  * DanaG ponders trying uvesafb.
[03:17] <mooboo1> want 10-15 times better file system performance in Ubuntu? vote up this idea on Brainstorm - http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4983/
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> Johnnie Cochran died
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> sometime last year i think
[03:18] <void^> mooboo1: i've read that linzxgazette link again (had already seen it before), where do you get "10-15 times" from? :-)
[03:19] <mooboo1> :(
[03:19] <mooboo1> void^, WIKIPEDIA!
[03:19] <nomasteryoda> he could do the work while doing time
[03:19] <mooboo1> As of 2004, synthetic benchmarks performed by Namesys show that Reiser4 is 10 to 15 times faster than its most serious competitor ext3 working on files smaller than 1 KiB. Namesys's benchmarks suggest it is typically twice the performance of ext3 for general-purpose filesystem usage patterns.
[03:19] <void^> haven't been so blatantly trolled in a while :(
[03:19] <mooboo1> http://www.namesys.com/benchmarks.html
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:20] <mooboo1> oh website is down :(
[03:20] <RAOF> mooboo1: With the small problem of it not being in the mainline kernel, nor apparently likely to get there soon.
[03:20] <mooboo1> RAOF, yeah we need to merge it in mainline
[03:21] <void^> filesystem doesn't make a difference for the "typical ubuntu user" anyway
[03:21] <mooboo1> void^, if it was 10-15x faster, it would :)
[03:22] <void^> yes, but apart from marketing, it still wouldn't
[03:22] <RAOF> Not necessarily.
[03:22] <RAOF> I mean, 10-15x faster than really fast is still... really fast.
[03:36] <DBO> does anyone know why scripts in /etc/acpi/resume.d are not being run at all (as far as I can tell)
[03:46] <DanaG> Dangit, if I use uvesafb, then exiting the console reboots my machine!
[03:46] <DanaG> What the heck?  That's just plain weird.
[03:51] <Agrajag-> g'day, i've done a dist-upgrade to hardy, just wondering if there's a howto or anything on setting up pulseaudio?
[03:54] <Black_Magic> Anyone have a !worksforme Java situation can they load the applet at the site www.runescape.com press already have account then choose random world see if ti asks for plugin. If so and there using Firefox Tell me what java related packages you have installed please
[03:55] <Black_Magic> *it
[03:59] <dashua> +OK 1boNn/RBKvW/OBTR3/kvNyE.AGZ7b0PO32q1WKiz8/5dwq8.DUgAe1x6hoS/R/Se1.7tWsO070hee1xWSfL.TdJbn0rOiKD/
[04:00] <DanaG> Why are my TTYs blank when I use any framebuffer drivers?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> dashua: ?
[04:00] <dashua> +OK TdMqG1At.AN.fazxK1PWihz0LwQSD.r./qO0
[04:00] <DanaG> z?
[04:00] <DanaG> What's that mode?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> DanaG: a nice one :)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> DanaG: means ops can read people who are quieted
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> DanaG: known bug...want the link?
[04:04] <DanaG> The "Blank Consoles" one?  I've seen it.
[04:04]  * DanaG wonders why the Ubuntu kernel includes uvesafb module when v86d isn't packaged.
[04:10] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910
[04:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in linux "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" [Medium,Fix released]
[04:10] <DanaG> Oddly enough, they didn't acutally remove "-Qb" in initramfs-tools!
[04:10] <DanaG> It's NOT fixed.
[04:13] <DanaG> Oddly enough, once I manually modprobe vesafb, then I get my consoles working only until I chvt or logout.
[04:13] <DanaG> Then they go blank.
[04:14] <DanaG> Oddly enough, cacafire still is visible!
[04:18] <jimmygoon> does blank = crash/
[04:19] <setuid> RAOF, ping
[04:19] <setuid> RAOF, How did you manage to work with/work around the dm-crypt 90% performance/disk/IO hit?
[04:19] <setuid> I may reformat to unencrpyted partitions because it's *IMPOSSIBLE* to function using vmware with kcryptd taking almost all of the processors
[04:20] <RAOF> setuid: I have to say that I don't notice it.
[04:21] <RAOF> By 90% performance hit, what do you mean?
[04:21] <setuid> I mean files that normally copy at 30-40M/sec across unencrypted partitions, are 3M/sec. over the encrypted oine
[04:21] <setuid> If you google 'dm-crypt performance' there are hundreds of people complaining about it
[04:21] <setuid> Mostly with Debian and Ubuntu distros, unfortunately
[04:21]  * RAOF doesn't actually notice it.  Maybe x86-64 FTW?
[04:22] <jimmygoon> I didn't notice it when I was using it a few months back. I got tired of typing in my password though
[04:22] <setuid> I have two 2.4Ghz Intel procs in here, and when I load up vmware, it takes a good 15 minutes before it's usable
[04:23] <RAOF> And I get plenty of read/write performance; all the stuff I've been doing lately has been network limited by rsync's 10MB/sec limit.
[04:23] <setuid> 100% processor usage, grinding the drive the whole time, system load at 7.00+
[04:23] <RAOF> Right.  I don't see *anything* like that.
[04:23] <setuid> Lots of people are though, so it's a real problem
[04:24] <RAOF> I don't doubt it.  But your question was how *I* work with it, and I don't :)
[04:24] <setuid> heh
[04:24] <RAOF> And I do quite a bit of disc-io heavy stuff, like packages building, on this lappy
[04:26] <setuid> I just doubled the RAM today, it didn't help at all
[04:26] <jimmygoon> maybe its a HD-vendor or interface specific problem, though that makes very little sense as dmcrypt probably isn't THAT low level
[04:26] <cge> Does anyone here happen to have a vfat partition and the desire to help confirm that a gedit bug has been squished?
[04:27]  * jimmygoon just reformatted his jump drive to ext2 for rsync'ing ~
[04:29] <setuid> I'm going to test this 2.6.25-rc5 kernel and see if that changes performance
[04:42] <Black_Magic> still scared to reboot :P
[04:48] <`sam`> cge, what's the bug?
[04:49] <cge> `sam`: 69184
[04:49] <Black_Magic>  i finnaly fixed my wireless problem after 2months..
[04:49] <Black_Magic>  and it worked a couple weeks ago i upgraded to Hardy
[04:49] <Black_Magic>  and then rebooted..
[04:49] <Black_Magic>  and vralla back to square one..
[04:49] <Black_Magic>  hopefully it stays fixed but too scared to restart..
[04:55] <`sam`> cge, it's working for me, no error message, it creates the backup file
[04:58] <cge> `sam`: great
[04:58] <DanaG> Oh no, there's something stuck on my fące.  (it's a joke.)
[05:27] <jimmygoon> oh god, libc6 updates
[05:34] <ethana2> jimmygoon: ubuntu2+ is fine
[05:34] <ethana2> relax
[05:34] <jimmygoon> I was only slightly serious ;0
[05:42] <voidmage> is anyone else having problems with bash tab completion?
[05:42] <voidmage> it works for some commands but for others it doesn't
[05:43] <DanaG> !info tab-completion
[05:43] <DanaG> !info bash-completion
[05:43] <ubotu> Package tab-completion does not exist in hardy
[05:43] <ubotu> bash-completion (source: bash-completion): programmable completion for the bash shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060301-3ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 120 kB, installed size 464 kB
[05:44] <voidmage> why did they separate that?
[05:48] <Black_Magic> mmhmm can some one get me to Reboot lol im really scared that im gunna get a "go to jail DO NOT pass go Do NOT Collect 2,000,000 Dollars"
[05:50] <pen> hi
[05:50] <pen> I have a problem with alsa
[05:50] <pen> I can't have mltiple sound sources simultaneously
[05:50] <Black_Magic> !alsa
[05:50] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:50] <pen> even after I install alsa-oss
[05:50] <voidmage> pen: tried telling your apps to use pulseaudio?
[05:50] <pen> Black_Magic: please let me finish my problem plz
[05:50] <pen> voidmage: how?
[05:50] <Black_Magic> ok
[05:51] <voidmage> app-specific.
[05:51] <pen> any app, like amarok
[05:51] <Black_Magic> hmm woudl you happen to have a Toshiba
[05:51] <Black_Magic> ?
[05:51] <pen> no
[05:51] <pen> ASUS
[05:51] <Black_Magic> with digital audio... oh
[05:51] <Black_Magic> because i didnt have sound with ALSA
[05:51] <Black_Magic> i had to use Digital instead of PCM
[05:52] <pen> Well, my problem is that I can't have multiple sound sources
[05:52] <pen> and usually that will result my amaork to crash
[05:52] <pen> or warning saying xine lost control of the sound device I think
[05:53] <pen> so it will produce no sound whatsoever
[05:53] <pen> any solutions?
[05:53] <siriusnova> time to install ubuntu hardy on my thinkpad
[05:53] <siriusnova> lol
[05:53] <siriusnova> wish me luck
[05:54] <pen> I wonder why isn't alsa-oss installed on default in hardy?
[05:54] <Black_Magic> siriusnova: iF you already have gusty installed just run update-manager -c -d
[05:54] <siriusnova> i dont
[05:54] <Black_Magic> oh ok
[05:54] <Flannel> Black_Magic: you don't need the -c
[05:54] <siriusnova> its running windows xp
[05:54] <siriusnova> :P
[05:55] <pen> someone said pulseaudio
[05:55] <Black_Magic> Flannel: What does the C Do anyways...? someone told me it got the most recent upgrades..
[05:55] <pen> how can I use that?
[05:55] <Black_Magic> i have no idea mines worked by default when i upgraded..
[05:55] <Flannel> Black_Magic: It upgrades you out of an LTS to a non LTS (like dapper -> edgy)
[05:56] <Black_Magic> Flannel, Well i was using Gusty and its not an LTS
[05:56] <Flannel> Black_Magic: right, the -c didn't do anything.
[05:56] <Black_Magic> the last LTS was dapper i think
[05:56] <Flannel> Black_Magic: that's correct.  In fact, I told you that earlier today.
[05:56] <Black_Magic> How come they only do LTS once in a while...?
[05:56] <Black_Magic> Dapper is old as dirt in the ubuntu timeline..
[05:56] <pen> !pulseaudio
[05:56] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[05:57] <pen> hm
[05:57] <jimmygoon> LTS = long term support... too expensive to give LTS for every version
[05:57] <Black_Magic> !ESD
[05:57] <ubotu> esd is the enlightened sound deamon. It's deprecated, use !alsa instead
[05:57] <pen> how to replace it correctly?
[05:57] <jimmygoon> Dapper is also very stable
[05:57] <Flannel> Black_Magic: Because LTS requires a lot more resources, and inhinits the amount of change that can go into a version if it needs to be rock solid
[05:57] <Black_Magic> jimmygoon: Hmm...too much money how so...?
[05:57] <jimmygoon> hows the upgrade path from dapper -> hardy looking for those LTS'ers?
[05:57] <Black_Magic> oh ok
[05:57] <Flannel> jimmygoon: It works.  Could use some more testers, but its working.
[05:57] <Black_Magic> ill be keeping hardy for about 6 Years then :P
[05:57] <Flannel> Black_Magic: 3 years on the desktop.
[05:58] <Black_Magic> 3 years then
[05:58] <jimmygoon> Flannel, I suppose its not terribly useful to go from fresh dapper -> hardy is there? otherwise I might test it out
[05:58] <Flannel> Black_Magic: in two years, you'll say the same about Hardy that you just said about DApper.
[05:58] <Black_Magic> Flannel...huh...?
[05:58] <Flannel> jimmygoon: it is!  Yes.  If you're feeling adventurous and needing to install fresh, yes, go dapper-> hardy
[05:59] <pen> anyone?
[05:59] <jimmygoon> Flannel, alright. I'll test it out on thursday when the beta disc comes out
[05:59] <Flannel> Black_Magic: In two years you'll be saying "Hardy is as old as dirt in the ubuntu timeline"
[05:59] <Lynoure> Black_Magic: assuming ubuntu and not kubuntu (which I think is not LTS this time)
[05:59] <Black_Magic> lol no i wouldnt...
[05:59] <Black_Magic> isnt dapper like 6 years old..?
[05:59] <Flannel> Black_Magic: its two.
[05:59] <Black_Magic> oh...
[05:59] <jimmygoon> ... ubuntu isn't 6 years old
[05:59] <Black_Magic> well im slow didnt know ubuntu developed so fast...
[05:59] <Black_Magic> its had
[05:59] <jimmygoon> well the distribution isn't... the concept/word ubuntu is...
[06:00] <Black_Magic> Dapper Egy Gusty Fiesty and now hardy
[06:00] <Flannel> Black_Magic: F then G
[06:00] <jimmygoon> 6 month release schedule ;) 6.04  (6.10)  7.04  (7.10)   8.04   see a pattern
[06:00] <jimmygoon> YEAR.MONTH
[06:00] <Flannel> jimmygoon: 6.06 though
[06:01] <Black_Magic> doesnt ubuntu mean "too beautiful to translate to english"....
[06:01] <jimmygoon> Flannel, well, that one doesn't count, I forgot about that... that year was actually supposed to be on my birthday but they ended up delaying for LTS
[06:02] <Black_Magic> lol i accedentally installed java 4 times over..
[06:02] <pen> will pulseaudio fix the multiple sound bug?
[06:02] <Black_Magic> now when i do java -version i get
[06:02] <Black_Magic> "1.6.0_04"
[06:04] <DanaG> you know, 'sudo gedit' is bad; that wiki page says 'sudo gedit'.
[06:04] <DanaG> !gksudo
[06:04] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[06:05] <voidmage> is mysql-server still broken?
[06:05] <voidmage> i think my system is in a weird state and i forget how to recover.
[06:06] <pen> no one know how to fix this?
[06:11] <Black_Magic> hmm that didnt give me the error i usualy get when using sudo nautilus!
[06:11] <Black_Magic> using gksu
[06:14] <ethana2> DanaG: thanks, i didn't know that
[06:14] <voidmage> oh derf.
[06:14] <voidmage> reinstall changed my debian-sys-maint password
[06:14] <DanaG> Somebody should have ubotu trigger on anybody saying "sudo <gui app>" for a list of common GUI apps.
[06:14] <DanaG> like nautilus and gedit and such.
[06:15] <voidmage> what about a patch to sudo to recognize gui apps and run them with gksu?
[06:16] <Flannel> voidmage: Like everything in linux, the OS assumes you know what you're doing.
[06:16] <Black_Magic> lol
[06:16] <Black_Magic> Err i have problems with Miro i cant watch Youtube videos in it it just shows
[06:16] <voidmage> was worth a try. :P
[06:16] <Black_Magic> a blackish blue screen
[06:16] <Black_Magic> with the video title at the bottom
[06:17] <Black_Magic> it may be all Videos i just have downloaded test Youtube ones ATM
[06:17] <RAOF> Black_Magic: Does _any_ video player work?
[06:17] <Black_Magic> What you mean...?
[06:17] <Amaranth> Black_Magic: can you watch a regular video in totem?
[06:18] <Black_Magic> for youtube videos or just any video...
[06:18] <voidmage> doesn't totem play youtube in hardy?
[06:18] <voidmage> this gives me a chance to check that now
[06:18] <Amaranth> voidmage: err, i don't think that is enabled
[06:18] <RAOF> Black_Magic: Just any video at all, in any player.
[06:18] <voidmage> edit->plugins->youtube doesn't let me enable that?
[06:19] <Black_Magic> mmhmm totem played that Experience.ogg in the examples file
[06:21] <Black_Magic> alsom on some tsites like
[06:21] <voidmage> ah
[06:21] <voidmage> it needs python-gdata
[06:21] <voidmage> which totem-plugins suggests but doesn't depend.
[06:21] <Black_Magic> IETV.CO.UK it shows a black with grey outline lil papaer or somthine
[06:22] <Black_Magic> *paper Somthing also *sites
[06:34] <Black_Magic> anyone knwo how to revert to original drivers if you have ATI right now..
[06:43] <Ali_ix> hi, any one having problem with mono-based apps in hardy?
[06:43] <Ali_ix> i get 'Segmentation fault' and cant start any mono-based app (eg f-spot, gnome-do)
[06:44] <calc> well evince doesn't seem to work for me
[06:44] <calc> but thats not mono based afaik
[06:44] <Ali_ix> some libmono-thing might be broken :(
[06:57] <lightrush> !pulseaudio
[06:57] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[06:57] <lightrush> !skype
[06:57] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[07:00] <Black_Magic> Here i go im breaking my fear to reboot..
[07:15]  * Black_Magic Hears Angels Sing I have internet after reboot :P
[07:17] <gluer> cant get my broadcom b43 wireless restricted driver working tried everything, maybe someone can give me a fresh perspective on what to do?
[07:18] <Black_Magic> Are there  any Benifits to having more then one DNS server enabled...?
[07:19] <Black_Magic> Because i have Enabled OpenDNS for my Ubuntu install and wondering how it helps..
[07:49] <DarkMageZ> Black_Magic, if the first dns server fails then the second one will be used.
[07:50] <DarkMageZ> Black_Magic, also if the first dns server doesn't have the record for a name then it'll ask the secondary.
[07:50] <Black_Magic> oh ok
[07:50] <Black_Magic> i have the default DNS enabled when it connects to an AP
[07:50] <Black_Magic> and OpenDNS
[08:14] <chris062689> Does anyone here run Hardy on their Eee?
[08:23] <Sonicadvance1> I've had a strange error for a while now that I finally feel like bringing up. When booting up my Desktop, it just shows black forever unless I hit CTRL+Alt+Delete, then it loads up GDM and I have to go to a virtual terminal to mount all my partitions Manually
[08:23] <Sonicadvance1> Anyone know the cause or willing to give me some insight?
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> Is it normal for networkmanager to just not work with keys with certain chars in
[08:26] <h3sp4wn> 6eb8`f62bc61c311b09\92dadbd3;5a835ca4:6aab4be23ca
[08:26] <Sonicadvance1> o.O
[08:26] <Sonicadvance1> Is that the key?
[08:26] <h3sp4wn> (wpa_supplicant has no problems with keys like that)
[08:26] <h3sp4wn> few numbers changed
[08:26] <Sonicadvance1> scary
[08:27] <h3sp4wn> Well I copy and paste it and have it in a file on a flash drive
[08:27] <Sonicadvance1> I've only used WEP so I'm not sure about WPA
[08:28] <Black_Magic> !hibernate
[08:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hibernate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:28] <Black_Magic> if i hibernate for more than
[08:29] <Black_Magic> 5mins it just becomes a blinking cursor ontop of a black backthing
[08:29] <Black_Magic> if i just gfoset it to standby or hibernatye for as second
[08:29] <Black_Magic> then come back wiggle mouse or touchpad
[08:29] <Black_Magic> it comes back up
[08:31] <bod_> hey guys,. im gettin impatient now, so how can i make a 10 gig partition on my hd and install hardy on it?
[08:32] <Sonicadvance1> You in windows or live CD bod_?
[08:32] <bod_> gutsy 64
[08:33] <Sonicadvance1> bod_, use gparted
[08:33] <bod_> ok,. will i have to download the hardy live cd or something?
[08:34] <Sonicadvance1> bod_, yes, you will need the live CD
[08:35] <bod_> damn,. i long download ahead,. ok cheers,. oh and whats the name of that program that can let you build your own live cd,.,.lets you add other things
[08:35] <Sonicadvance1> I'm not sure myself :D
[08:35] <fromport> !xen
[08:35] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen
[08:36] <bod_> no, its a program that lets you add files to the iso
[08:38] <bod_> ok it may be me being stupid, but i can only see 6.6 and 7.10 on the ubuntu download page,.,. any thoughts Sonicadvance1 ? a link would be handy,.,.hehe
[08:39] <DanaG> Too many choices:
[08:39] <DanaG> kqemu, kvm, xen, virtualbox, vmware, parallels.
[08:39] <DanaG> I use VirtualBox.
[08:40] <DanaG> !alpha6
[08:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alpha6 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:40] <Sonicadvance1> bod_, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha6
[08:40] <DanaG> !alpha
[08:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alpha - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:40] <DanaG> !much
[08:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about much - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:40] <DanaG> !much of anything
[08:40] <DanaG> !much_of_anything
[08:41] <DanaG> I give up on that.
[08:41] <Lynoure> !botabuse
[08:41] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[08:41] <bod_> Sonicadvance1, cheers dude
[08:41] <DanaG> It would be good to add factoids for the latest alphas.
[08:41] <Lynoure> !hardy
[08:41] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[08:42] <Lynoure> DanaG: there you go.
[08:42] <DanaG> I meant for the specific download links.
[08:42] <DanaG> But that works.
[08:42] <bod_> is there an expected date for the beta release?
[08:42] <Lynoure> DanaG: that page has them... too many to list in factoids
[08:47] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps just make "alpha" be an alias to "hardy"
[08:47] <DanaG> That'd be enough right there.
[08:47] <Lynoure> DanaG: then same woulb be needed to beta, and needed to upgrade every time for new release.
[08:47] <DanaG> aah.
[08:48] <Lynoure> The path of least maintenance :)
[08:49] <DanaG> They could have !{alpha,beta}->!ubuntu+1->!hardy and then only ever change that last one.
[08:51] <Lynoure> Feel free to propose that :)
[08:52] <bod_> why not have !list that links to the page for all download links?
[09:07] <J-_> will the brightness applet work when Hardy is released, or will there be a fix?
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> It works on my thinkpad (overriding the proper keys)
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> which work flawlessly in cli
[09:17] <bod_> http://www.cenda.cz/downSources/KillerTux.html
[09:18] <fromport> J-_: what hardware do you have ?
[09:27] <jin> ello, I have no sound after an upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04
[09:28] <Galga> :)
[09:28] <jin> kernel version is 2.6.24-12-386
[09:28] <Galga> jin: you using onboard sound ?
[09:28] <jin> 00:10.2 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[09:29] <jin> yes, it is onboard sound
[09:29] <arpu> hi all
[09:29] <arpu> i update to hardy and now i have the problem
[09:29] <arpu> does my home and end keys
[09:30] <arpu> jump always on start and end of the line
[09:30] <arpu> and not only one char
[09:30] <Galga> jin: well i fixed mine yesterday, with help of guys from #alsa
[09:30] <arpu> (macbook)
[09:30] <arpu> all other keys like @ works
[09:30] <jin> Galga: mind to tell what you did to get it working?
[09:31] <Ali_ix> any one having prblem with mono on hardy?
[09:32] <Galga> jin: well the trick that worked for me was to download the alsa-drivers, alsa-utils, alsa-lib and some tips from this link
[09:32] <Galga> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[09:33] <coz_> oo I have never used the --with -kernel= option
[09:34] <jin> lsmod | grep snd gives nothing back :(
[09:35] <Galga> jin: follow the link it worked for me I am sure it will work for you
[09:36] <coz_> jin  also you can go to #alsa   to ask questions on installation
[09:36] <oxigen> Ali_ix: i prefer stereo :P
[09:37] <coz_> jin also just try lsmod   in terminal
[09:37] <oxigen> stereo is as twice as good as mono!
[09:37] <Ali_ix> oxigen: :D
[09:39] <savvas> anyone tried the latest updates?
[09:40] <coz_> savvas, not yet let me get dist-upgrade to see whats there
[09:41] <jin> at the configure  command, shouldn't I replace --with-cards=hda-intel with somehting else?
[09:41] <oxigen> savvas: can we fear another libc like strike?
[09:42] <coz_> jin,   depends on the card you use   I use a layla24 so mine is   --with -cards=layla24
[09:42] <jin> how to find out what mine is?
[09:42] <savvas> oxigen: nothing like the libc6 problem :)
[09:43] <oxigen> ok :)
[09:43] <savvas> except maybe a kernel panic, I surely hope not
[09:43]  * oxigen apt-get update
[09:43] <savvas> but that's easy to switch to an older one hehe
[09:43] <coz_> savvas, what have the current updates done?  broken anything?
[09:43] <coz_> jin,  here is a link  to for debugging sound problems... it may come in handy
[09:43] <coz_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[09:43] <savvas> Need to get 14.2MB of archives.
[09:44] <savvas> I'll get back at you when it's done :)
[09:44] <jin> --with-cards=hda-intel
[09:44] <jin> /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory
[09:44] <jin> doesn't hardy use a new sound system?
[09:44] <coz_> jin,  you may want to go to #alsa channel  while doing this
[09:45] <Ali_ix> jin: yeah, it is called Pulse Audio (PA in short)
[09:45] <Galga> jin: well i used my chip number from the soundcard. It was reported ens5880 but was actually ens1371
[09:46] <jin> Galga: how do you find the chip nummer?
[09:47] <Galga> jin: well its not recommended but i opened side cover, pulled out he sound module and used a magfyglass to read the number :)
[09:47] <oxigen> haha
[09:47] <coz_> :)
[09:48] <oxigen> cool, that's how was my first debian installed
[09:48] <Galga> :)
[09:49] <Galga> jin: but you should know some cmdline commands to find ur chip nubmer
[09:50] <oxigen> yea, but not /quit
[09:52] <Galga> anyone using anysoftware to watch TV ?
[09:52] <savvas> oxigen: everything's peachy :)
[09:52] <Galga> i am using mplayer, but dono how to change channel
[09:52] <jin> alsa is not even loaded in the kernel
[09:52] <Ali_ix> how can i debug (get more details on crash) mono-based apps?
[09:53] <savvas> Galga: maybe mythtv
[09:54] <jin> how do you reconfigure alsa with apt?
[09:54] <jin> or dpkg
[09:55] <savvas> maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
[09:55] <savvas> never tried it though, i used to reinstall it
[09:55] <savvas> sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base :)
[09:56]  * oxigen starting install 65Mb of stuff, huh
[09:59] <jin> this is weird
[09:59] <jin>  /dev/asound does not even exist :\
[10:00] <savvas> jin: lspci | grep -i audio
[10:00] <jin> 00:10.2 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[10:00] <savvas> nvidia?
[10:00] <savvas> haven't seen that in a long time :)
[10:00] <savvas> um
[10:02] <Galga> jin: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[10:03] <Galga> jin: perhaps more appropriate http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-intel8x0
[10:06] <jin> thanks Galga
[10:06] <jin> compiling the driver :-)
[10:07] <Galga> jin: you welcome :)
[10:08] <savvas> hm..
[10:08] <savvas> shouldn't jockey-gtk get that?
[10:13] <oxigen> hmm, everything's ok so far..
[10:14] <jin> :-)
[10:14] <jin> sounds works again :-)
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> You could have just used module-assistant
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> (alsa source is 1.0.16)
[10:16] <jin> mhh that program should be installed by default :\
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> Most of the time its not that useful for Ubuntu
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> (Unless there is a newer version in Debian some time later)
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> They don't even have gcc by default
[10:18] <Galga> how to kill a running instance of a program
[10:19] <savvas> Galga: ps x
[10:19] <savvas> and kill -9 pidnumber
[10:19] <Galga> k thanks
[10:19] <savvas> or ps ax (for all the programs
[10:19] <savvas> you can use the system monitor to kill it too
[10:20] <jin> I have a folder with .VOB and .NFO files. how do I encode these video files to avi?
[10:20] <Galga> ok
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> Don't use kill -9
[10:20] <Galga> well
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> unless all else fails using it straight away is a bad idea
[10:20] <Galga> its too late i already did and program is killed
[10:21] <ccooke> Galga: if it's a graphical program with a recognisable window, the easiest way to kill it is to run "xkill". Then click on its window.
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> Its very rare that I would have to use -9
[10:22] <savvas> i.e. when virtualbox hangs while running freebsd 7 on boot :P
[10:22] <Galga> ccooke: thanks
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> savvas: speaking of Freebsd - I switched my server to it just yesterday
[10:23] <savvas> ccooke: thanks for the tip too ;)
[10:23] <ccooke> NP :-)
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> savvas: The thing about -9 is it doesn't even try to exit gracefully and leaves whatever crap around
[10:24] <savvas> h3sp4wn: i know, but as you said, when everything else fails.. :P
[10:24] <Galga> xkill is cool but i just killed the creator of resource 0xe0003, while i was trying to maximize a window
[10:24] <savvas> some person at #vbox told me that it works in the new svn, but I'm not doing so well with compilations :)
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> I use pgrep / pkill most of the time
[10:25] <ccooke> savvas: it's useful when everything else fails, yes. But you should try something else, first :-)
[10:25] <ccooke> Galga: you can *right* click to exit the xkill
[10:25] <Galga> ok, next time i will remember that
[10:26] <savvas> be back in a while
[10:28] <h3sp4wn> Galga: Depends what program it is but because of kill -9 I have spent hours looking for a wierdly named lock file
[10:28] <ccooke> I try to avoid kill -9 whenever I can... Mostly, I use it as 'kill -9 -1', to clear up remote systems with astronomical loads
[10:30] <ccooke> (like the time the devs at $employer[-4] loaded an entire DB table into memory, then forked about two hundred times... Every single time someone clicked search on our rather busy web site...
[10:30] <Galga> hmm so kill -9 is strongest of all
[10:31] <ccooke> (that was fine initially, but every single search appended a row to the DB table... until eventually ten concurrent searches on a box would make a search take longer than the time between searches...))
[10:32] <ccooke> Galga: Unix defines a set of signals that can pass between processes. For every signal other than KILL(9), the process can install a handler. The default handler is usually to kill the process.
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> That usually means it gets cleaned up though
[10:33] <ccooke> the KILL signal, however, is handled by the kernel and cannot be overridden. It forcibly destroys the process without ever passing control back to it
[10:33] <ccooke> so the killed process has no way to do anything.
[10:34] <ccooke> (there are times, however, when a process cannot be KILLed - when it's blocking waiting for a read call to return is the most common. This is seen a lot when NFS mounts die)
[10:35] <ccooke> (anything reading from the NFS blocks on that read until the NFS comes back or a minutes, hours or *days* long timeout expires
[10:35] <Galga> nice
[10:36] <sergiu87> hey
[10:37] <Galga> hi
[10:37] <sergiu87> i have installed ubuntu hardy and the sound card was not installed :D
[10:37] <sergiu87> :(
[10:37] <ccooke> (for anyone interested: The ability to suspend processes in a unix shell comes from the default handler installed on the STOP and CONT signals - namely, one stops the process and the other tells it to continue ;-)
[10:37] <sergiu87> no volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[10:37] <ccooke> sergiu87: which alpha did yuo install?
[10:38] <sergiu87> ccooke: how do i know
[10:38] <sergiu87> i think the latest
[10:38] <h3sp4wn> ccooke: whatabout nohup (which signal does that use)
[10:39] <ccooke> h3sp4wn: when your terminal exits, it sends a HUP signal to everything in its process group (basically, everything that was started by it).
[10:39] <ccooke> h3sp4wn: the default HUP handler kills the process, so they die
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> Yeah I know that but
[10:40] <h3sp4wn> nohup (must do something to make that not happen)
[10:40] <ccooke> nohup installs a handler that ignores the HUP signal, the exec()s the program you wanted.
[10:40] <sergiu87> ccooke don't you know how to repair the sound =]
[10:40] <sergiu87> the ubuntu hardy hearon is totaly unstable :D
[10:40] <ccooke> sergiu87: well, yes. It's supposed to be at this point
[10:41] <ccooke> sergiu87: There were some sound problems a few days ago
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> I think its not so bad in terms of stability
[10:41] <ccooke> sergiu87: Could you try updating to the latest packages?
[10:41] <sergiu87> ccooke, how to know what alpha i use
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> (Too many issues for a month to go and a LTS though)
[10:41] <sergiu87> ccooke: sergiu87: Could you try updating to the latest packages? - how to do this..
[10:42] <sergiu87> dist-upgrade?
[10:42] <ccooke> h3sp4wn: Dapper was delayed until .06, remember
[10:42] <ccooke> sergiu87: System -> Administration -> Update Manager
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> ccooke: Yep - still needed loads of updates shortly after release though
[10:43] <sergiu87> it says that system is up to date
[10:43] <sergiu87> :D
[10:44] <Galga> sergiu87: :)
[10:44] <Galga> sergiu87: start with finding your soundcard
[10:45] <Galga> sergiu87: i mean do you have onboard or not
[10:45] <sergiu87> sergiu@ubuntu:~$ lspci | grep Audio
[10:45] <sergiu87> 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[10:45] <sergiu87> found this command on the net
[10:45] <Galga> nice
[10:45] <sergiu87> )
[10:46] <sergiu87> alsamixer alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[10:46] <sergiu87> ok, trying to resolve thjis problem with google..
[10:47] <Galga> http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-VIA
[10:47] <Galga> http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-via82xx
[10:49] <Galga> how can i kill a connection to website / remote host.
[10:49] <Galga> kill -9 will work here as well ?
[10:50] <theunixgeek> How do I upgrade to GNOME 2.22 in Ubuntu without upgrading to Hardy?
[10:50] <theunixgeek> I tried that yesterday... didn't work out too well ;)
[10:50] <sergiu87> can anyone connect to my pc with remove desktop and to help
[10:50] <sergiu87> :>
[10:50] <Galga> sergiu87: anyone can ?
[10:50] <theunixgeek> sergiu87: with what?
[10:52] <sergiu87> theunixgeek, no volume control gstreamer plugins and/or device found ..
[10:52] <sergiu87> music dosen't work
[10:52] <theunixgeek> sergiu87: I'm not good with sound drivers :P
[10:52] <sergiu87> =]
[10:53] <Galga> sergiu87: u need to follow the website. it worked for me yesterday
[10:54] <Galga> sergiu87: i remember i downlaoded libasound2 or something
[10:58] <sergiu87> just to install libasound2
[10:58] <sergiu87> ?
[10:58] <sergiu87> =]
[10:59] <sergiu87> the package is installed
[10:59] <sergiu87> ok..
[10:59] <Galga> ok
[11:00] <nacer> hi i have some dirty image rendering into firefox3
[11:00] <jscinoz> can't wait untill i finally install hardy alpha this weekend :D
[11:00] <nacer> thereis a reported bug for this ?
[11:00] <jscinoz> nacer dirty images eh?
[11:00] <jscinoz> :P
[11:00] <nacer> picture ?
[11:00] <nacer> :)
[11:01] <jscinoz> I assume you mean distortion or graphical corruption of some kind
[11:01] <nacer> jscinoz, its not what tou thinking
[11:01] <nacer> ::)
[11:01] <jscinoz> :P
[11:01] <nacer> jscinoz, somethink like that yeah
[11:01] <jscinoz> one second
[11:01] <nacer> i can make a screen if you want to see it
[11:01] <Galga> sergiu87: have you tried to compile with alsa-lib-1.0.16rc2.tar.bz2 ?
[11:02] <nacer> jscinoz, the seem to be only with png
[11:02] <jscinoz> have you tried reinstall libpng or whichever lib it is
[11:02] <nacer> jscinoz, w8 i try
[11:03] <sergiu87> Galga :D
[11:03] <sergiu87> nope
[11:03] <Galga> sergiu87: well keep trying, something will definitely work for you :)
[11:04] <jscinoz> nacer couldnt find anything on it >_<
[11:04] <nacer> jscinoz, mmm
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> A newer alsa-lib probably won't you
[11:05] <bod_> what is the command to upgrade from gutsy to hardy?
[11:05] <nacer> bod_, update-manager -d
[11:05] <nacer> somethink like thaht
[11:05] <Galga> update-manager 0d
[11:05] <bod_> ty
[11:05] <bod_> 0d??
[11:05] <Galga> -d
[11:05] <bod_> ok,.ty
[11:06] <jscinoz> hmm
[11:06] <nacer> jscinoz, not better faster reinstall of the libs
[11:06] <nacer> s/faster/after
[11:06] <jscinoz> if i get something added to debian before intrepid, will that package be in ubuntu too?
[11:06] <bod_> this little dist upgrader thingy is nifty ;~)
[11:07] <jscinoz> nacer ugh sorry, not sure >_< my hardy install seems to work fine (but then again its only in vbox right now)
[11:07] <bod_> should i have backed up my files first?
[11:07] <nacer> jscinoz, yep oki
[11:07] <nacer> jscinoz, perhaps you dont have website with png
[11:07] <jscinoz> let me make sure
[11:08] <bod_> ouch 1095 files to download,. il go put the kettle on
[11:08] <jscinoz> nacer just to be sure, can you link a page that shows this issue
[11:08] <bod_> why cant i see the terminal thingy while its downloading? like you can when synaptic is downloading something?
[11:09] <jscinoz> bod_ not sure, its always been like that >_<
[11:09] <bod_> weird,. the drop down arrow thing is there,. just greyed out,.
[11:09] <bod_> can i ask opinions plz,.,. on a scale of 1 to 10    how stable is hardy?
[11:10] <nacer> bod_, 5
[11:10] <jscinoz> i would have said 8
[11:10] <nacer> jscinoz, its in developppement :)
[11:10] <jscinoz> but mine isn't running on real hardware yet
[11:11] <jscinoz> i know
[11:11]  * bod_ thinks this could be interesting,. 
[11:11] <bod_> im upgrading my only os to hardy (good idea/bad idea)??
[11:11] <jscinoz> hmm
[11:11] <jscinoz> bod_ are you going to be majorly screwed over if you bork your install?
[11:11] <bod_> yeah huh
[11:12] <jscinoz> nacer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PNG_transparency_demonstration_2.png and other png display fine in my hardy vbox
[11:12] <arkygeek> hi.  any opinions on moving from gutsy to hardy on my 24" imac?
[11:13] <nacer> jscinoz, this one seem fine for me
[11:13] <bod_> nacer, u said 5,. you have major problems with hardy?
[11:13] <jscinoz> nacer can you give me a link of the png that fails to display properly
[11:13] <nacer> bod_, some kernel problem
[11:14] <nacer> and some unxeptected crash of app
[11:14] <bod_> nacer, is that universal or unique? (the kernal)
[11:14] <bod_> e*
[11:14] <nacer> bod_, univesal ?
[11:14] <nacer> bod_, i dont understand
[11:14] <bod_> nacer, has everyone got the same problem or just you?
[11:15] <nacer> bod_, yeah the kernel bug was reported
[11:15] <jscinoz> mine is working fine, but its not on real hardware (vbox)
[11:15] <nacer> i have a lot of bug after the upgrade from gusty
[11:15] <jscinoz> going to clean install mine on weekend
[11:15] <nacer> i have to reinstall all the kernel
[11:15] <bod_> so im about to experience some kernel problems ,.,.nacer?
[11:15] <jscinoz> my gutsy install is majorly borked after some kernel hackery i did a while ago
[11:15] <nacer> bod_, perhaps :)
[11:15] <bod_> sounds like fun fun fun
[11:15] <nacer> bod_, i have a persistent bug about my bluetooth headset
[11:16] <nacer> bod_, but its dont seem to be a ubuntu bug
[11:16] <bod_> i have no bluetooth headset and bluetooth dongle was major difficult to get working on gutsy
[11:16] <theunixgeek> I can't get a resolution over 800x600. How do I fix this?
[11:16]  * arkygeek is watching the d-u happen now, crossing his fingers
[11:16] <bod_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg     ???
[11:17]  * bod_ is in the same position as arkygeek 
[11:17] <arkygeek> heh
[11:17] <jscinoz> theunixgeek, graphics card?
[11:17] <bod_> arkygeek, eta 45 mins
[11:18] <arkygeek> hopefully my wifi, iSight, and graphics card will recompile
[11:18] <nacer> jscinoz, http://www.facebook.com/home.php?
[11:18] <arkygeek> took me about 14 minutes to download everything
[11:18] <nacer> the facebook is dirty with pixel
[11:18] <bod_> arkygeek, damn you and your fast internet
[11:18] <nacer> facebook logo
[11:18] <bod_> i dont like facebook, bebo,. and all that malarky
[11:18] <arkygeek> bod_: heh.  this is slow compared to what i used to have.  but 16 mbit adsl is ok
[11:19]  * bod_ starts crying,. he hates his 2mb virginmedia internet
[11:20]  * jscinoz hates australian internet
[11:20] <arkygeek> bod_: virginmedia offers 20mbit
[11:20] <arkygeek> thats what i had to give up but went with sky
[11:20] <jscinoz> 150gb per month limit on an ADSL connection is horrible
[11:20] <jscinoz> unlimited data please :P
[11:20] <Galga> lol
[11:20] <Galga> 150 gbbbbbbbbbbbbb wow
[11:21] <jscinoz> i can nuke that in a week :P
[11:21] <nacer> bod_, i have 20mbit + TV + illimited national and international phone for 30 euro
[11:21] <jscinoz> we're one block from the exchange and get 21mbit
[11:21] <Galga> i m using 10gb pm only :)
[11:21] <jscinoz> 21mbit + 4TB NAS + torrents = bye bye 150gb limit
[11:21] <bod_> arkygeek, im aware,. but that wont stop the fact that the bandwidth is majorly overcrowded,. youll only get 10 mb max if we paid for 20mb,.,.switching to sky in a few weeks,. cause i wanna wach terry pratchets colour of magic
[11:21] <bod_> nacer, ^^^^
[11:23] <nacer> bod_, sure i dont have any quota
[11:23] <arkygeek> bod_: i was getting consistently 18+
[11:23] <bod_> im getting constant .8 mb
[11:23] <bod_> 0.8
[11:23] <arkygeek> but sky is pretty good
[11:23] <nacer> so i go eat
[11:23] <arkygeek> ouch that sucks
[11:23] <jscinoz> well hthat was unexpected, my hardy vbox just paniced while idling at the desktop
[11:23] <bod_> wait,.,. how many mb is 200kb?
[11:23] <jscinoz> 0.2
[11:23] <Galga> 1.5
[11:23] <bod_> ur joking?
[11:23] <jscinoz> no
[11:23] <jscinoz> 200kb is 0.2mb
[11:23] <bod_> omg who do i listen to??
[11:23] <arkygeek> 2 megabit
[11:23] <bod_> i thought it was 2megabit
[11:23] <jscinoz> oh
[11:23] <arkygeek> well, 1.5 probably
[11:23] <bod_> thats the fastest ive ever seen my network go
[11:23] <arkygeek> 8 bits in a byte
[11:23] <Galga> 2mb is 250Kilo Byte ?
[11:23]  * jscinoz needs to pay more attention to capitalisation
[11:23] <jscinoz> yeah i know what you mean
[11:23] <jscinoz> didnt see it was b not B
[11:24]  * bod_ wants a terabyte connection speed ,.,.;~) heheheh
[11:24]  * jscinoz needs more coffee
[11:24] <orvokki> bod_: 100Mbps is still fairly enough.
[11:24] <bod_> oh coffee,. good idea,. brb
[11:24] <Galga> but what will you do with a terrabyte connection ?
[11:25] <jscinoz> Galga, i think we both know the answer to that.
[11:25] <Galga> jscinoz: well there is a limit to everything :) don't you think
[11:25] <jscinoz> porn.. oh wait i mean host a repository mirror
[11:25] <Galga> ok
[11:25] <jscinoz> upgrade your collection to 1080p with 7.1ch sound :P
[11:25] <jscinoz> make good use of that connection :P
[11:25] <jscinoz> lol
[11:25] <bod_> orvokki, dont be silly watch this,.,. Galga il do this -- http://www.w3schools.com/downloadwww.htm -- ;~)
[11:26] <jscinoz> true
[11:26] <Exilant> I'm wondering if that is a common problem, youtube videos don't play if amarok is open (sound however plays fine)
[11:26] <Tengu> does someone has a real doc on automatic install of hardy using preseed ?
[11:26] <Galga> lol
[11:26] <sergiu87> i have resolved the problem with spund
[11:26] <jscinoz> exilant,  hmm is ff3 pulse audio aware?
[11:27] <sergiu87> needed to install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-386
[11:27] <sergiu87> =]
[11:27] <Tengu> debian doc is nice, but doesn't work with hardy... -.-
[11:27] <sergiu87> was needed*
[11:27] <Galga> sergiu87: congrats
[11:27] <jscinoz> exilant if so you could try setting FIREFOX_DSP="pulse" in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[11:27] <Galga> sergiu87: it took 18 hours for me to fix :)
[11:27] <Exilant> jscinoz: don't know, i'm using konqueror (sorry, forgot that)
[11:27] <jscinoz> oh
[11:27] <jscinoz> >_<
[11:27] <jscinoz> never used it, can't really help you
[11:27] <sergiu87> thanks
[11:27] <sergiu87> :D
[11:28] <sergiu87> Galga, maybe you had the another problem=]
[11:28] <Exilant> also, i'm not sure, sound plays fine anyway, just the video or controls don't show up if amarok is open
[11:28] <Galga> well 8.04 is the first version that really convinced me to switch to linux
[11:28] <Exilant> rather weird
[11:29] <bod_> what would happen if windows went open source? (dont linkme to the blog post) do you think people would still switch to linux?
[11:30] <sergiu87> Galga :D
[11:30] <sergiu87> the 8.04 is unstable
[11:30] <Galga> bod_: well as far as window is concerned, i think its better if it don't switch to opensource
[11:30] <sergiu87> you better use 7.10
[11:30] <Galga> bod_: if window does, the competition will be over
[11:30] <willis_> what if bill gates started handing out candy bars with golden tickets in them.....
[11:31] <bod_> Galga, what do you mean the competition will be over?? who wins?
[11:31] <fromport> will he also built the elevator ? ;-)
[11:31] <Galga> bod_: the technology must win :)
[11:31] <willis_> fromport,  and Free the Ooompa-loompas from their coding  cubes!
[11:31] <bod_> is that us or them Galga ??
[11:32] <Galga> its neither, its for all
[11:32] <jscinoz> Well, the coffee isn't doing to for me, night guys :) happy debugging :P
[11:32] <jscinoz> doing it*
[11:32] <bod_> is tux an Ooompa Lumppaa?
[11:32]  * arkygeek hands jscinoz some speed :P
[11:32] <jscinoz> see what lack of coffee makes you do
[11:32] <willis_> but why discuss whats not going to ever ever happen..
[11:32] <jscinoz> o noes
[11:32] <Galga> jscinoz: night night
[11:32] <bod_> Galga, you still havent answered my question
[11:32] <arkygeek> heh  g'nite jscinoz
[11:32] <bod_> nite
[11:32] <jscinoz> i want one of those tux droids arstechnica reviewed, python programmable tux robot = awesome minion
[11:32] <jscinoz> night guys :)
[11:33] <bod_> bod thinks everyone should watch this ,.,. -- http://www.cenda.cz/downSources/KillerTux.html
[11:33] <Galga> bod_: well i think i did dude. Lets take ubuntu for example
[11:33] <bod_> ok
[11:33] <Galga> the login screen
[11:33] <bod_> yer
[11:34] <Galga> the compiz
[11:34] <bod_> yer
[11:34] <Galga> beautiful icons and so on
[11:34] <bod_> yer
[11:34] <willis_> Now if all the manafactures started opensourcing their drivers...  that would be an interesting turn of events.. but thats proberly not going to happen any time soon either.
[11:34] <Galga> windows is defining infact progressing and so is linux
[11:34] <bod_> willis_, you ruined the 1.2.1.2.1.2.1 answer thing we had going
[11:35] <bod_> Galga, so who wins?
[11:35] <willis_> windows is very good at taking 2 steps forward and 3 back...
[11:35] <Galga> US
[11:35] <sergiu87> yeah. the movie player in ubuntu 8.04 is more mature
[11:35] <sergiu87> like it
[11:35] <sergiu87> :>
[11:35] <bod_> 4 back,.,.,.lol
[11:35] <sergiu87> :d
[11:35] <Galga> the new generation
[11:35] <bod_> can i ask,. whats with all the orange?
[11:35] <willis_> vista was about 5 steps back in many areas.
[11:35] <willis_> Orange?
[11:35] <bod_> Galga, who is the new generation?
[11:35] <ccooke> bod_: why not orange?
[11:36] <bod_> willis_, the ubuntu orange
[11:36] <willis_> The Littigation Generation.
[11:36] <willis_> :)
[11:36] <bod_> ccooke, i think its too 'in ya face' and not at all modern,.
[11:36] <Exilant> willis_: with vista and 64-bit, hardware support in win isn't as good anymore
[11:36] <ccooke> bod_: what's 'modern', then?
[11:36] <willis_> 64bit hardware support in most OS;'s is not that good.. like a chicken and egg problem. :) but its slowly progressing
[11:37] <willis_>  the turning point i guess will be when people start needing more then 4gb of ram
[11:37] <bod_> ccooke, damn,.errm,.,. not bright orange
[11:37] <Exilant> yeah, probably
[11:37] <Galga> bod_: students, investors, scientists, doctors, teachers.....
[11:37] <ccooke> bod_: but it looks good.
[11:37] <Exilant> can't really see that coming
[11:37] <Galga> bod_: all having access to good and mateure tools
[11:38] <bod_> ccooke, when i installed gutsy,.,. the first thing on my mind was getting rid of the horrible them,.
[11:38] <Exilant> maybe with hd-video-devices at low cost?
[11:38] <Galga> willis_: i think the next version of windows will be another OS of choice for many
[11:38] <ccooke> willis_: 64 bit is already good enough on Linux. The *only* downside remaining is the lack of java support in the web browser.
[11:39] <ccooke> that's the only remaining reason to run a 32bit browser (and hence to have a horrible mess that makes everything fragile)
[11:39] <bod_> the refresh rate in npveiwer.bin is crap!!
[11:39] <ccooke> bod_: looks fine to me. Besides, it's themable - what's the problem with it?
[11:39] <spiroo> Wondering, I know there is no support for Hardy just wonder. I wondering the wubi package for Windows. After I installed it, the OS does not appear when I boot. Maybe I did forgot to update grub :P Well I wondering, is it not possible to install it on a free partition or overwrite another GNU/Linux dist.
[11:39] <spiroo> After I installed Hardy inside Wubi I mean ,)
[11:39] <bod_> ccooke, what npviewer? the refresh rate is really slow
[11:40] <ccooke> bod_: no, the theme.
[11:40] <willis_> wubi installes to a file on the windows drive, and i thought tweraked the windows bootloader to boot the wubu-ubuntu  thing.
[11:40] <spiroo> I thought it was to install without to boot from LiveCD inside WIndows.
[11:40] <willis_> I think.. I dont plan on EVER using wubi. :)  so i may be wrong.
[11:40] <willis_> !wubi
[11:40] <ubotu> wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://wubi-installer.org/
[11:41] <bod_> human theme isnt themable ccooke,.,. not in gutsy,. you have to theme a different theme then change,.,. i think the orange and whitegrey dont compliment eachother,. a more black and silver is to my liking,. i dont mind that its orange i just dont like it,.,. it gives a childish impression to it,. well human gutsy theme does,. i havent seen hardy theme yet ;~)
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> The ubuntustudio theme is ok
[11:42] <Galga> bod_: try this blackwhite theme its really cool
[11:42] <ccooke> bod_: in general, *themes* are not themable themselves. That would be silly.
[11:42] <spiroo> Why not a beige and coffe latte color theme?
[11:42] <bod_> Galga, i have a black and silver theme,. with black and white 2 icons
[11:42] <ccooke> bod_: but *ubuntu* is themable. There are several other choices you could use.
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> I dunno whether it would be silly
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> Other wm's allow it
[11:43] <bod_> what?
[11:43] <Galga> bod_: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/SlicknesS+Emerald?content=73972&PHPSESSID=1bf2671782c3f065e6e3c229c89c317a
[11:43] <Galga> its awesome
[11:43] <bod_> Galga, that is the exact theme i have ,.,.;~) hehe
[11:43] <Galga> great
[11:44] <Galga> but i m still searching how to change the icons
[11:44] <bod_> Galga, did you get the icon set they recommended?
[11:44] <willis_> the massive flexiabilty of gnome and  the other desktops/wms in linux - can be amazingly confuseing to ex-windows-xombies.. err.. users..
[11:44] <willis_> :)
[11:44] <Galga> yeah i have neon, style perhaps others as well
[11:44] <bod_> Galga, i no how
[11:44] <Galga> bod_: i would really appreciate if you guide me :)
[11:45] <willis_> Fire up the gnome theme settings tool. download new icon theme, drag/drop it to the theme tool.
[11:45] <willis_> It should install them in your .icons dir.
[11:45] <Galga> willis_: where is gnome theme settings tool ?
[11:45] <willis_> the gnome-art tool/program 'used' to work.. but its a bit broken now. It can download, but not install the parts last i tried it.
[11:45] <bod_> Galga, System--> Pref--> Appearence--> select your theme then click 'customize'-->icon tab
[11:45] <willis_> Galga,  look in your menus..
[11:45] <Galga> ok
[11:45] <willis_> explore, learn, try things out.
[11:45] <willis_> its amazing all the 'drag and drop' things that you dont realize exist in gnome.
[11:46] <bod_> to true!!
[11:46] <willis_> 'How do you add a directory to your places' -> drag and drop it to the sidebar.
[11:46] <spiroo> willis_: Allright, well I think it could be quite handy in some cases.
[11:46] <bod_> how do you install a them,. drag and drop into appearences menu
[11:46] <spiroo> willis_: I mean Wubi
[11:46] <willis_> themes install that way also.  NOW some will only get added to the  settings only when you CUSTOMIZE the theme you are using.
[11:46] <Galga> ok customize clicked
[11:47] <willis_> spiroo,  I imagine when this gets officially out. there will be WAY too many wubi questions.
[11:47] <bod_> Galga, go to the 'icons' tab
[11:47] <arkygeek> is kde4 installed by default with hardy?
[11:47] <willis_> you dont even need to go to the icons tab to drag/drop the icon themes. :)  you can do it on the first tab.
[11:47] <willis_> arkygeek,  its to be optional i think
[11:47] <bod_> willis_, i think were talking about changing an icon theme that is already there
[11:47] <arkygeek> willis_: ok thx
[11:48] <willis_> bod_,  :)
[11:48] <Galga> bod_: i have downloaded icon.tar.bz2 packages in a desktop folder
[11:48] <bod_> ;~)
[11:48] <bod_> Galga, what does the readme say?
[11:49] <Galga> i mean those icons from the website link
[11:49] <bod_> Galga, yer,. what does the readme say?
[11:49] <Galga> bod_: no readme, yet
[11:49] <bod_> pastebin it
[11:49] <bod_> why?
[11:49] <Galga> i think i need to extract to get that readme
[11:50] <Galga> hmm ok
[11:50] <bod_> Galga, thats isnt thesame theme as me actually,. i have SlicknesS u haave SlicknesS Emerald
[11:51] <bod_> Galga, is this icons or the gtk theme? link me to the download and il download and try aswell
[11:51] <Galga> ok wait
[11:51] <bod_> no
[11:51] <bod_> hehe
[11:51] <bod_> ok
[11:52] <bod_> 11 mins then my attention goes on my hardy install
[11:52] <bod_> it has to reboot im afraid
[11:53] <arkygeek> things are still installing and srtting up here...
[11:53] <Galga> bod_: the links on the page i posted. i think i downloaded most from these
[11:53] <bod_> im still downloading ,.,.lol
[11:54] <bod_> Galga, i see no links to icons?
[11:54] <Galga> 71993-SlicknesS.tar.gz, black_white_2_Gloss_big_by_DBGthekafu.tar etc
[11:54] <bod_> oh thats the one i have,.,.hang on
[11:55] <amon__> i have a tricky question
[11:55] <arkygeek> close now i think - update initramfs
[11:55] <amon__> how can i prevent the copy files dialog from getting focus everytime i copy more files?
[11:55] <arkygeek> hald restarated
[11:56]  * arkygeek is getting scared :P
[11:56] <Galga> bod_: its left to last line LICENSE: GPL
[11:56] <bod_> Galga, im downloading now
[11:56] <Galga> bod_: k
[11:56] <arkygeek> wow. all done
[11:57] <arkygeek> any bets on whether it is going to work or not when i reboot? hehehe
[11:57] <arkygeek> here goes.... talk to you all again in a few days ;-)
[11:58] <bod_> Galga, OMG that readme is crap!!! just drag the tar.gz   into the icons bit of the appearence window
[11:58] <Galga> :)
[11:59] <willis_> [14678.776926] sshfs[28161]: segfault at 00001287 eip b7dbf39c esp b42fcf18 error 4
[11:59] <willis_> Ick!
[11:59] <bod_> hah
[11:59] <willis_> bod_,  :) drag and drop - so intuituve in ways,., and so hard to actually rember its doable..
[12:00] <willis_> then theres cases where it should work and it dont
[12:00] <Galga> bod_: cann't
[12:00] <bod_> willis_, lol,.
[12:00] <bod_> Galga, why?
[12:01] <Galga> the folder flys back to its original window
[12:01] <bod_> 1 sec
[12:02] <willis_> and sshfs crashes again.. *sigh*
[12:02] <willis_> you may be dropping it in the wrong place..
[12:02] <willis_> its the kind of thing thats hard to describe in words. OR it may be the archive is packed in a funny way
[12:02] <willis_> ive only isntalled the icon pacs ive downloaded with gnome-art
[12:03] <bod_> Galga, i got it,.,. unpack untill u have just the folder,.,. untarred
[12:03] <bod_> Galga,  then put it into /home/galga/.icons
[12:04] <bod_> 10 secs till download finished
[12:04] <bod_> ok now its gonna install for an hour,.,.lol
[12:06] <willis_> 'there are 254 packages avialable for updateing' :)
[12:06] <willis_> dare i update?
[12:06] <fromport> updated this morning (laptop) and everything is still working ;-)
[12:07] <willis_> Been testing out SidUX disrto on my other machines this week.. debating tossing it on this box as well. :P
[12:09] <fromport> does sidux do xen of kvm ?
[12:10] <willis_> Ive never messed with xen. or kvm. so no idea. :)
[12:11] <bod_> "" "" heard of """"""""""""
[12:11] <arkygeek> hehe - hi all
[12:11] <arkygeek> i had to recompile my video driver
[12:11] <bod_> hehe hi arkygeek
[12:11] <arkygeek> but other than that, all seems well
[12:12] <arkygeek> sound, wifi...
[12:12] <bod_> arkygeek, that cant be good, i dont know how to do that......
[12:12] <willis_> Hmm.. Hardy just lost my dvd burner.. after i burnt one disk...
[12:12] <willis_> :)
[12:12] <Leerok> There's no day like today.
[12:12] <arkygeek> oops.  lost my iSight
[12:12] <bod_> willis_, that damn Hardy,. where did he put it this time..
[12:13] <arkygeek> guess i have to recompile that too :-(
[12:13] <Leerok> Get a text-to-speech programme.
[12:14] <willis_> K3bDevice::Device) Unable to do inquiry. /dev/scd0 is not a cdrom device
[12:14] <willis_> Oh YES it is! :0
[12:14] <willis_>  heh heh
[12:14] <bod_> Leerok, dont start me on that,.,. the women in this house went mental when they found out windows had one of those,. hours of irritating voices
[12:14] <Leerok> Wow.
[12:14] <Leerok> Quite funny.
[12:14] <bod_> willis_, thats what you get for using kde apps,.,.;~)
[12:15] <Leerok> What about KDE apps?
[12:15] <Leerok> I've had no trouble with them.
[12:15] <willis_> It seems its more of a kernel issue then a kde issue
[12:15] <bod_> Leerok, tbh im using amarok atm but i just think most of them r clunky
[12:15] <Leerok> Hmm.
[12:15] <Leerok> I rather like KDE apps.
[12:16] <willis_> I wont be mean and say.. 'the more i use gnome, the more i perfer kde' :)
[12:16] <Leerok> Kate, k3b, Konqueror, and all that.
[12:16] <willis_> Of course this week ive been twiddling/tweaking my own fluxbox desktop
[12:16] <bod_> i like gnome apps,. just because the name is like gnasher and i like denace the menace
[12:16] <Leerok> I wish it were called Dwarf.
[12:16]  * willis_ has no idea who anyone/what bod_  just mentioned is....
[12:17] <willis_> :)
[12:17] <willis_> im wondering if the  Hardy release date will get pushed back..   but it will get done when its done.. so why worry.
[12:18] <willis_> i always wait about 2 weeks after a new releae to install anyway. Heh.
[12:18] <bod_> willis_, the person in front is dennis  -- http://www.noblepr.co.uk/Press_Releases/liberation/images/beano/pack.jpg
[12:18] <Leerok> I generally install upon release if I have time.
[12:18] <bod_> i havent used linux long enough to see a *release* yet
[12:19] <bod_> i think we should have a big party in here,. on release day,. bring the bots and have a laugh
[12:19] <willis_> this channel normally gets closed after the release. for a few days. :)
[12:19] <willis_> Then repopens for the NEXT release...  heh
[12:20] <bod_> 10 mins till install is done
[12:20] <bod_> lol
[12:21] <willis_> Then you will have 4 hrs of updates
[12:22] <fromport> and 24 hours of debugging ;-)
[12:23] <bod_> sounds like fun
[12:24] <cwillu> bod_, should have been here for the big libc crash of ought-eight
[12:25] <bod_> cwillu, i dont understand what you said so it wouldnt affect me ,.,.hehe ;~)
[12:25] <willis_> the sound shortage of 06
[12:25] <willis_> :)
[12:25] <cwillu> bod_, if you had tried this a week ago, you'd be crying pretty hard in ten minutes :p
[12:25] <willis_> in the last few weeks.. thers been some MAJOR bug/update problems..
[12:26] <bod_> cwillu, lol,.,. i cant be bothered to wait anymore,.,.
[12:26] <cwillu> bod_, I'll just tell you what I told the last dozen folk
[12:27] <cwillu> bod_, just because it works perfectly today doesn't mean it'll work at all after you update tomorrow :p
[12:27] <cwillu> so don't update until beta if everything works, unless you like digging around in single user mode :p
[12:27] <bod_> cwillu, its ok ,., me and my machine have an understanding,.,. he is the holder of all worldly knowledge........and i have a huge hammer!!!!
[12:30] <bod_> omg,.,.the install said 10 mins ten mins ago,. it still says 10 mins
[12:31] <flipstar> afair its downloading packages during install..
[12:31] <bod_> my mozilla just died??
[12:32] <bod_> damn,.,. i get this error when trying to load mozilla from terminal        Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b4 and 1.9b4.
[12:33] <bod_> maybe the install of hardy is screwing things up already
[12:33] <flipstar> you are upgrading ..?
[12:34] <Leerok> GRE?
[12:34] <Leerok> What is a GRE?
[12:35] <bod_> flipstar, yes
[12:35] <bod_> Leerok, dunno
[12:42] <flipstar> wikipedia says its kind of networkprotocoll
[12:43] <Pici> I vaguely remember that error from one of the early Hardy alphas, check LP.
[12:44] <bardyr> W00T
[12:44] <bod_> cleaning up, then the maic reboot moment
[12:44] <bod_> magic*
[12:44] <bardyr> i just installed gnome-do and played with it for a little time
[12:45] <bardyr> and i LOVE it :D
[12:45] <bod_> nice knowin yall,.,. brb maybe,.lol
[12:48] <cwillu> gnome-do?
[12:48] <flipstar> !info gnome-do hardy
[12:49] <ubotu> gnome-do (source: gnome-do): Quickly perform actions on your desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2.1-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 50 kB, installed size 216 kB
[12:49] <bardyr> its like alt+f2 on steroids with bling bling
[12:49] <bardyr> and plugins :D
[12:52] <bod_> ok,. whats different?
[12:54] <bardyr> the feel and look, behaviour, and it can connect to ssh, find files, etc
[12:54] <bod_> i have a theme
[12:54] <bod_> it looks the same??
[12:55] <bardyr> nope
[12:55] <bod_> ok,.,. the only difference i have noticed is the login screen looks better
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> so its a katapult rip off
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> dunno why people never come up with new ideas
[12:58] <Oli``> is the "There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon." error a beta thing or a "Oli broke it thing"?
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> Its happened to me before
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> didn't make any difference that I noticed though
[12:59] <Oli``> I'm getting it every boot - and yeah it doesn't have any noticeable effect
[13:00] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, its better then katapult, its gnome ;)
[13:01] <Oli``> I don't see why it has to be a "new idea" to be better?
[13:01] <hydrogen> gnome has to copy kde
[13:01] <hydrogen> It has for a long time
[13:01] <hydrogen> Just accept it and use kde to get new features in a timely fashion
[13:03] <h3sp4wn> The thing I find funny about gnome is people say how simple it is
[13:04] <h3sp4wn> But to do normal day to day stuff you have to mess around in gconf-editor
[13:04] <h3sp4wn> (because its not at all obvious where stuff is)
[13:04] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, define normal?, it has been ages since i was in gconf-editor
[13:04] <h3sp4wn> if its even in the gui at all
[13:04]  * Oli`` uses gnome *all* the time for about a year and has only used gconf twice
[13:04] <bardyr> i just prefer gnome's much less bloated interface compered to KDE
[13:05] <bardyr> and the look and feel of gnome
[13:05] <hydrogen> I find it funny how people say that
[13:05] <pen> hi
[13:05] <hydrogen> and yet
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> putting a wpa_passphrase in because for some reason its trunkated by the gui
[13:05] <hydrogen> people go and put all sorts of doodads in gnome
[13:05] <hydrogen> because the default isn't good enough for them
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> Sun's gnome is pretty nice
[13:05] <pen> How to start using pulseaudio?
[13:05] <bardyr> defaults work pretty good for me
[13:05] <pen> I can't have multiple sound source
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> Ubuntu's isn't its the little things
[13:06] <hydrogen> if the defaults worked you wouldn't be after installing gnome-do, and gdesklets, and everything else
[13:06] <Oli``> hydrogen: I've got to say that the only thing I've done to really customise gnome is move the panels about and change the applets - than add programs like Do and conky
[13:07] <pen> Do is quite nice
[13:07] <bardyr> hydrogen, the only thing i have installed is gnome-do, and the reason its not included is because its new
[13:07] <h3sp4wn> Having loads of python junk around makes the desktop sluggish
[13:07] <h3sp4wn> at least with kde its written in C++ (and you can avoid the kubuntu python)
[13:08] <hydrogen> its not just python
[13:08] <hydrogen> it's also mono (slow and stupid)
[13:08] <h3sp4wn> any interpretted crap
[13:08] <Oli``> Mono isn't *that* slow.. It's not interpreted for starters
[13:08] <h3sp4wn> sawfish was quite good though
[13:08] <hydrogen> and
[13:09] <hydrogen> if all you install is gnome-do
[13:09] <h3sp4wn> lisp is an ideal language for extending
[13:09] <hydrogen> I'm really interested to hear how kdes default desktop is more congested than gnomes default desktop
[13:09] <hydrogen> Gnome comes with two panels, kde comes with one
[13:09] <hydrogen> other than that, they have the same things
[13:09] <Oli``> hydrogen: it's not the desktop for me - it's the UI
[13:09] <pen> for me gnome is more artistically pleasing than KDE
[13:09] <hydrogen> same thing
[13:09] <Galga> i prefer one panel, it leaves more space to display, unless using large display
[13:10] <hydrogen> gtk is pretty horridable
[13:10] <h3sp4wn> I never ever use any gnome apps
[13:10] <h3sp4wn> They are just so simplistic as to be useless
 gtk is pretty horridable < we'll have to agree to disagree on that point - and that probably answers your question
[13:10] <hydrogen> look at the options... xchat vs. konversation...
[13:10] <hydrogen> epihany vs konqueror.. about even
[13:11] <h3sp4wn> Oli``: gtk is horrible to program properly thats why they use python and mono etc
[13:11] <hydrogen> amarok vs. any of the gnome options that come right out and say "a gtk _clone_ of amarok"
[13:11] <Oli``> pish, everybody uses firefox =)
[13:11] <h3sp4wn> konqueror4 is much nicer than fireox
[13:11] <hydrogen> firefox isn't a gnome app, so it's not a valid point of discussion
[13:11] <Oli``> h3sp4wn: oh sure - but I'm also a .net programmer so I'm not going to fly too far from the nest =)
[13:11] <h3sp4wn> I just don't want kde3 and kde4 services at once
[13:12] <pen> why hardy can't have multiple sound sources?
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> It can
[13:12] <pen> or how do I enable it?
[13:12] <Oli``> hydrogen: I wasn't saying it was - just that everybody uses firefox so why compare two browsers that practically nobody uses?
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> It can pipe the same stuff through both as well
[13:12] <pen> I use both
[13:12] <hydrogen> Oli``: because we are comparing their respective desktop environments
[13:13] <hydrogen> unless you have other applications that can be compared across the two ... ?
[13:13] <h3sp4wn> konqueror4 is exactly what I want from a browser really
[13:15] <h3sp4wn> If there was a build everything in build of that I would swap it for firefox in an instant
[13:15] <Oli``> One place I will bend - Kaffeine and even SMplayer beat the living daylights of any GTK+ media player
[13:16] <h3sp4wn> and k3b and amarok are in similar situations
[13:16] <Oli``> ... though I've gone back to using xine-ui
[13:17] <Oli``> Amarok yes (though there are 3 gtk alternatives that are improving at massive speeds) and I've never seen why people think k3b is all that.
[13:18] <h3sp4wn> All the gtk alternatives are written in python
[13:18] <Oli``> and mono
[13:19] <Galga> can i reclaim my swap partition ? i have like 2gb and noticed it never being used
[13:19] <Oli``> But I'm not running this PC with a 133mhz P2 and 64megs of RAM... I don't need to be stingy about the technologies things use
[13:20] <h3sp4wn> Everything should be lightning fast with the processing power we have these days
[13:21] <Ng> we're not running C64 apps though
[13:21] <orvokki> h3sp4wn: With the ever-increasing amount of eye candy, not really.
[13:21] <h3sp4wn> orvokki: Why should I care about eye candy
[13:22] <Ng> it's not even just eye candy
[13:22] <Ng> look at OpenOffice
[13:22] <bmk789> Galga: you should probably run with at least 256mb or so swap MINIMUM
[13:22] <orvokki> Heh, true.
[13:22] <orvokki> Ng: Or even FF2. ;>
[13:22] <Ng> it's a huge application suite
[13:22] <h3sp4wn> The stuff IRIX did 10 years ago impressed me more and there is certain things even now that a high end geforce gets wrong
[13:22] <h3sp4wn> (and that was with a 200 mhz mips)
[13:22] <Ng> your PC might be 10 times faster than the last one, but your software is 10 times bigger ;)
[13:23] <orvokki> At least 10 times bigger.
[13:23] <Oli``> h3sp4wn: No that's silly things only need to run as fast as you can use them.. Audio playback just isn't important enough to require it be programmed in ASM
[13:23] <Galga> bmk789: ok thanks, i was looking for how to reduce swap size from 2gb to 1gb, since i already have 1gb ram. making it 1:1
[13:23] <orvokki> Sometimes it feels that when the PC gets 10 times faster, software gets 15 times bigger.
[13:23] <h3sp4wn> Oli``: look at imlib2
[13:23] <orvokki> So performance decreases all the time.
[13:24] <h3sp4wn> that uses mmx / see assembler and its lightyears ahead of the alternatives
[13:24] <h3sp4wn> orvokki: There is no reason for it to be like that other than programmers becoming lazy
[13:25] <orvokki> h3sp4wn: Why should the programmers not be lazy if they can?
[13:25] <Galga> how about cell processors ?
[13:25] <h3sp4wn> orvokki: Forcing people to pay intel / amd money to run their junk
[13:25] <Galga> 9 core procs. 1 Main and 8 parallel
[13:25] <orvokki> h3sp4wn: That's not away from the programmers.
[13:26] <orvokki> Nor the software companies.
[13:26] <orvokki> End user is the only one who complains.
[13:27] <orvokki> Everyone else either benefits or isn't affected by the situation.
[13:27] <h3sp4wn> I don't benefit from people ramming stuff down my neck I don't want
[13:27] <orvokki> Then again, you are probably an end user. ;>
[13:29] <h3sp4wn> I hope OpenSolaris takes off
[13:29] <orvokki> Heh, OpenSolaris is mostly Solaris - stable proprietary server software. :P
[13:30] <h3sp4wn> (Sun does have closer to my interests at heart - If I could get my engineering apps on Solaris x86 I would be very happy)
[13:30] <h3sp4wn> s/OpenSolaris/Nevada
[13:30] <h3sp4wn> People use Solaris for visualisation also
[13:31] <h3sp4wn> My sparc if it had texture_from_pixmap would probably run compiz well
[13:31] <Galga> 8.04 supports HT ?
[13:31] <h3sp4wn> hyperthreading ?
[13:31] <h3sp4wn> or highres timers
[13:31] <Oli``> h3sp4wn: I see your point that bloat is evil but I don't see how people are ramming stuff down your throat. You've got as much choice as anybody on Linux ever what you run. If you want to use ultra-efficient apps on Enlightenment, please be my guest. I play games. I'm going to keep upgrading my PC until I die. And, hell, I'd like it if using a few extra cycles made my desktop a little nicer and easier to use. I'm also a programmer and I know how much faster
[13:31] <Oli``>  it is to get things done (and deploy them) if you're using a framework (Mono) or common runtime/interpreter. I would rather apps were improved faster than them running at inperceivably super fast. Lunchtime.
[13:32] <Galga> when i run system monitor i see only one proc. but in previous 7.10 i had two procs
[13:32] <Galga> h3sp4wn: yup hyperthreading
[13:32] <pen> Anyone know how can I start using pulseaudio in hardy?
[13:33] <h3sp4wn> Galga: uname -r ?
[13:33] <Galga> pen: there is an ongoing session in #alsa about pulseaudio howto
[13:33] <h3sp4wn> I wish the pulseaudio was compiled against the soundcard.h from oss4
[13:33] <Galga> 2.6.24-12-386
[13:33] <pen> Galga: ok
[13:33] <h3sp4wn> install the -generic
[13:33] <Galga> k
[13:33] <h3sp4wn> aptitude / apt-get install linux-generic
[13:34] <h3sp4wn> (it uses 686 specific features so cannot work on a 386 kernel)
[13:34] <Galga> already the newest version
[13:34] <h3sp4wn> well remove the 386 kernels then
[13:34] <Galga> o.O
[13:34] <h3sp4wn> or just select the right one from grub
[13:34] <Galga> oh, will removing the kernel means no voice again ?
[13:35] <pen> Galga: are you sure? I see only no one talking
[13:35] <Galga> < KFP> Zider: ...And when I try "aplay -vv file.wav", it says "*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused    aplay: main:546: audio open error: Connection refused".
[13:36] <Balaams_Miracle> I see that xmms has disappeared from the repos, does anyone know why this is?
[13:36] <pen> is pulseaudio enabled by default in hardy?
[13:36] <Galga> < Thingol> KFP: pulseaudio not running? run "pulseaudio -D --log-target=syslog".
[13:37] <Galga> pen: you should wait a while
[13:38] <sobersabre> hi.
[13:39] <sobersabre> I have downloaded the cd image from:
[13:39] <sobersabre> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/hardy/alpha-6/
[13:39] <sobersabre> and I compared the md5sum, and it's different from what is in the MD5SUMS file.
[13:39] <sobersabre> can somebody check if the md5sum in the file is correct ?
[13:43] <bardyr> sobersabre, the md5sum is correct
[13:43] <bardyr> sobersabre, if you are on a unix box use rsync to complete the download
[13:44] <Balaams_Miracle> Nevermind the question about XMMS, guys. I've found this answer: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070702.155802.ad2e5b7d.en.html
[13:45] <bardyr> Balaams_Miracle, try audacious instead, its just like xmms there is even a xmms theme, it just works much better
[13:45] <Galga> how to check which XSERVER version is inuse
[13:46] <Balaams_Miracle> bardyr: I know Audacious, but i was quite attached to XMMS.
[13:46] <bardyr> Balaams_Miracle, with the xmms theme i cant tell the difference between xmms and audacious
[13:46] <bardyr> and wow they actually killed xmms :O
[13:46] <bardyr> its been a long time overdue
[13:47] <Balaams_Miracle> bardyr: I've already installed Audacious, it's better than BMPx (to me, at least) but still my second choice.
[13:49] <h3sp4wn> Balaams_Miracle: For xmms 4front oss is king
[13:55] <lootoo> what linux developers think about moving drivers to userspace?
[13:57] <h3sp4wn> lootoo: They like the idea
[13:57] <axisys> how do I make a usb a bootable ubuntu? my laptop bios is capable of booting off of usb
[13:57] <h3sp4wn> lootoo: especially for non-free anyway
[13:58] <lootoo> h3sp4wn: so it was not a wrong decision which MS done with transition to Vista? cuz kernel latency tester show latency increased from 50 in XP to 1000
[13:58] <Galga> axisys: perhaps making an image of the partition and copy it to usb ?
[13:58] <h3sp4wn> lootoo: I think some things belong in the kernel
[13:58] <hereliesjoe> axisys, use remastersys
[13:59] <h3sp4wn> axisys: I made a bootable alpha 4 using nothing but the iso
[13:59] <h3sp4wn> and syslinux
[13:59] <axisys> Galga: that wont work
[13:59] <bardyr> shoudnt it be possible to mount the iso and use dd to copy everything from the iso including bootloader etc to a flash device?
[13:59] <h3sp4wn> I just used cp and installed syslinux correctly
[14:00] <axisys> h3sp4wn: I get this when I run syslinux /dev/sdb1: Cluster sizes larger than 16K not supported
[14:00] <bardyr> you will lose all space above 700mb but you should have a quick and dirty install media
[14:00] <Exilant> is there a way to comfortably remove some packages and their dependencies other than deborphan/autoremove fiddling?
[14:00] <h3sp4wn> axisys: I think I needed some options to syslinux
[14:00] <axisys> bardyr: its a 2GB usb.. i like to keep the space
[14:00] <bardyr> axisys, then you need to copy the file and install syslinux correctly, there are tons of guides on google
[14:01] <h3sp4wn> It didn't take a long time though
[14:01] <axisys> bardyr: syslinux gave me the following message..
[14:01] <axisys> /dev/sdb1: Cluster sizes larger than 16K not supported
[14:01] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, yea but you are a uber l33t linux g33k :)
[14:01] <h3sp4wn> axisys: take a look at the grml2usb script
[14:02] <hereliesjoe> axisys, use remastersys, it works !
[14:02] <h3sp4wn> axisys: (search for it grml is a similar thing squashfs etc and they use syslinux
[14:02] <hereliesjoe> axisys, http://loscompanion.com/forums/index.php?board=58.0
[14:03] <h3sp4wn> If you just read that shell script and apply the steps to ubuntu by hand then it will work
[14:03] <hereliesjoe> axisys, http://www.remastersys.klikit.org/
[14:04] <Galga> well how about a virtual box ? copy paste to usb will work ?
[14:06] <axisys> hereliesjoe: looking at your last link.. remasterkeys link
[14:07] <h3sp4wn> If you want it on usb (I at least) would want the livecd possibly with some packages changed
[14:07] <hereliesjoe> axisys, it works, it's simple, cd/dvd or usb and the guy behind it responds in the forum to questions
[14:07] <h3sp4wn> In this case there was too much stuff infront of the place where my external cd was
[14:08] <hereliesjoe> axisys, you can also make a small usb distro by installing command line system, followed by gdm, then a window manager of your choice and your packages, then use remastersys
[14:08] <h3sp4wn> there is live-package as well thats pretty easy to use
[14:08] <hereliesjoe> axisys, i made my own usb distro for pen testing
[14:09] <h3sp4wn> I think if I wanted to use it for anything really though I wouldn't base it on ubuntu
[14:10] <h3sp4wn> or if I did I would use some stuff from somewhere else for hardware detection
[14:10] <axisys> i like knoppix
[14:10] <h3sp4wn> I like grml
[14:10] <hereliesjoe> h3sp4wn, why go with something else? you can customize your ubuntu install how you want then run remastersys
[14:10] <h3sp4wn> Probably you could base a knoppix remaser on ubuntu
[14:11] <h3sp4wn> hereliesjoe: Is there a toram option ?
[14:11] <axisys> h3sp4wn: which is based on knoppix
[14:11] <hereliesjoe> h3sp4wn, I haven't checked
[14:11] <h3sp4wn> axisys: grml was now its based on sid
[14:12] <axisys> h3sp4wn: still looking for the grm2usb script
[14:12] <axisys> grml2usb that is
[14:12] <h3sp4wn> http://hg.grml.org/grml2usb/raw-file/tip/grml2usb
[14:13] <lootoo> did hardy upgraded to gnome 2.22 already?
[14:13] <h3sp4wn> the packages are -0
[14:13] <Ng> lootoo: yes
[14:14] <h3sp4wn> so I would think its a RC (I didn't check though)
[14:14] <h3sp4wn> or were
[14:15] <lootoo> and Xorg? it was release candidate for all latest alphas
[14:16] <h3sp4wn> I dunno - people have different definitions of RC though anyway
[14:16] <lootoo> you may check Xorg --version
[14:16] <lootoo> probably
[14:16] <lootoo> it was labeled as prerelease version
[14:16] <h3sp4wn> Some people its we really think its almost perfect
[14:16] <h3sp4wn> (e.g emacs)
[14:17] <h3sp4wn> Some people intend to have loads of point releases within only a few weeks
[14:18] <axisys> when I try to wget anything for example http://hg.grml.org/grml2usb/raw-file/tip/grml2usb  I get this error
[14:18] <axisys> Error parsing proxy URL http://localhost:4001 : Bad port number
[14:18] <axisys> how do I remove the proxy
[14:18] <h3sp4wn> env
[14:18] <axisys> I was playing with tor and privproxy and now I am not sure what I did *sigh*
[14:18] <axisys> i can browse thru ff fine
[14:18] <h3sp4wn> be in there somewhere (grep for 4001)
[14:18] <axisys> but i cannot even apt-get now *sigh*
[14:19] <h3sp4wn> or try with wget --no-proxy
[14:19] <h3sp4wn> env | grep 4001 and it will tell you the culprit almost certainly
[14:20] <axisys> (root)@ghar:~$ env | grep 4001
[14:20] <axisys> http_proxy=http://localhost:4001
[14:20] <h3sp4wn> http_proxy= I would guess
[14:20] <h3sp4wn> beat me
[14:20] <axisys> h3sp4wn: u r good .. amazingly impressive
[14:20] <h3sp4wn> now to find where its defined
[14:20] <axisys> h3sp4wn: now let me find how I get that set
[14:20] <h3sp4wn> be somewhere in /etc
[14:20] <axisys> wget --no-proxy works like a chame
[14:21] <axisys> champ*
[14:21] <h3sp4wn> maybe /etc/environment  (but just grep -r http_proxy /etc will find it eventually)
[14:21] <axisys> h3sp4wn: yep.. it is exactly that file
[14:21] <axisys> h3sp4wn: dude u r too smart
[14:22] <axisys> now I do I clear it from memory or do I need to restart the ubuntu?
[14:22] <axisys> how do I?
[14:23] <h3sp4wn> You have to logout and back in
[14:24] <h3sp4wn> (because /etc/environment is sourced by the initial login shell
[14:24] <axisys> i just exported the variable for now
[14:25] <axisys> that cleared it from memory atleast for this terminal
[14:25] <axisys> until I reboot I will just keep doing it on new terminal *shrug*
[14:25] <axisys> thnx
[14:25] <h3sp4wn> yep those type of things are annoying
[14:25] <axisys> h3sp4wn: heh
[14:25] <h3sp4wn> I was messing around getting rxvt-unicode working to a bsd box earlier
[14:26] <h3sp4wn> (and some stuff uses termcap and some terminfo) and when its not working you cannot even use vi properly
[14:27] <axisys> h3sp4wn: oh yeah
[14:28] <h3sp4wn> FreeBSD took a long term view (around when I last worked with it) and its come to fruition properly now 7 years or so later)
[14:29] <axisys> brb
[14:29] <hereliesjoe> Let's talk about marijuana http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2004288440_kathleentaylor18.html
[14:29] <h3sp4wn> !drugs
[14:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drugs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:30] <h3sp4wn> You shouldn't talk about drugs in here
[14:30] <h3sp4wn> Its not family friendly
[14:30] <Arand> Hardy is the only legal drug here.
[14:30] <hereliesjoe> sorry wrong window, it's a plant btw
[14:30] <hereliesjoe> nature is family friendly
[14:31] <h3sp4wn> Is it ?
[14:32] <h3sp4wn> I think alot of parents are scared of things happening to their kids these days
[14:33] <hereliesjoe> microsoft's software should be at the front of their worries
[14:33] <hereliesjoe> microsoft office - remember, the first hit is free
[14:34] <h3sp4wn> Yeah you can see that with the ultimate steal offer to students
[14:34] <h3sp4wn> (for Office 2007 Ultimate)
[14:36] <Tengu> 24
[14:36] <h3sp4wn> Matlab is worse though £50 for the student version - £5000 for the commercial (Without any of the toolboxes)
[14:38] <jimqode> alpha 6 users. Does clicking on the clock applet hang gnome-panel?
[14:39] <Galga> jimqode: the clock panel is the one which displays day, date, time ?
[14:39] <Galga> jimqode: if so, no it doesn't
[14:39] <jimqode> Galga, yes. Do you have a location set? Do you see a world map on the applet?
[14:39] <Galga> no
[14:40] <lootoo> omg it still hangs?
[14:40] <lootoo> with gnome 2.22 release?
[14:40] <oxigen> if i try to set pulseaudio i get this error: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[14:40] <oxigen> hmm, maybe i should reboot after today's apt :P
[14:41] <jimqode> hmm weird. I installed from the alpha 6 image and updated today
[14:41] <Galga> jimqode: ok done it
[14:41] <Galga> jimqode: its working like a charm
[14:41] <beerockxs> Anyone know of a bug that would cause single mouse clicks to register as doubleclicks?
[14:41] <jimqode> clicking on the clock applet when there are no locations set hangs the panel
[14:42] <jimqode> When I add a location it does not hang anymore
[14:43] <AutoMatriX_> ghost AutoMatriX viper
[14:45] <Galga> jimqode: no, it was working fine before without settings and even working fine after i set it
[14:45] <Galga> although i don't see any weather updates or wind speeds
[14:47] <beerockxs> anyone?
[14:47] <Arand> no, sorry.
[14:47] <Galga> beerockxs: perhaps checking for mouse click settings ? configured for double click or single click
[14:48] <ConstyXIV> anyone had a bug where NetworkManager simply wouldn't work after suspend/resume?
[14:49] <Galga> ConstyXIV: yes the network manager is not responsive. the icon disappeared and reappeared after 3 to 4 time boot
[14:50] <Galga> ConstyXIV: and if opened, all options are grayed out
[14:50] <beerockxs> Galga: they're configured for single click, but the "test your doubleclick settings" lightbulb thing show I make a double click each time I single click. And the mouse is not broken, it works in Windows.
[14:50] <lootoo> i cant belive beta is in 3 days
[14:51] <oxigen> no luck with pulseaudio :(
[14:51] <oxigen> what's the trick anyway?
[14:51] <beerockxs> xev shows 2 ButtonPress events when I click just once
[14:52] <Galga> beerockxs: well, try to clean it hope it helps ? or check if its plug well
[14:52] <Galga> oxigen: #alsa :)
[14:53] <beerockxs> Galga: As I said, it's working fine in Windows, so it must be a software issue
[14:53] <oxigen> Galga: oh yea, they will be happy with pulseaudio questions, huh?
[14:53] <lootoo> beerockxs: not an exactly correct logic, but high chance it is true
[14:54] <Arand> It may be that the particular mouse disagrees with ubuntu, do you have any others to test with?
[14:54] <Galga> oxigen: well, if you can join another channel i can post something, a previous session from #alsa
[14:55] <Galga> oxigen: but at your own risk, since i m newbie
[14:55] <oxigen> why can't we talk here?
[14:55] <Galga> sure
[14:56] <Galga> oxigen: because that include a copy paste from another channel
[14:56] <oxigen> ok
[14:56] <Galga> oxigen: i dono whether its allowed or not
[15:01] <Arand> you have some copypaste thing... http://cl1p.net so you can just have a link.
[15:02] <Galga> ok
[15:02] <Galga> thanks for tip
[15:02] <setuid> Can someone show me how to get more than 3GB of RAM on an Intel C2D laptop? I've tried adding the mem=4096M to the kopt line in grub's menu.lst, no luck.
[15:03] <setuid> The BIOS sees 4096M, but Linux does not
[15:03] <setuid> MemTotal:      3114612 kB
[15:03] <setuid> MemFree:         14948 kB
[15:03] <henkjan> setuid: install 64bit ubuntut
[15:03] <setuid> henkjan, I tried running a 64-bit kernel, that didn't help either
[15:03] <setuid> So I doubt a 64-bit OS would either
[15:03] <setuid> Seems to be an Intel chipset limitation, from what I'm reading
[15:04] <setuid> i.e. hard-wired.
[15:04] <setuid> Current kernel I'm running is a 64-bit "server" kernel with PAE enabled, still only sees 3.1G
[15:04] <lootoo> what devices you have in PC? and what video card
[15:04] <setuid> lootoo, It's a discrete adapter (i.e. separate, not "shared" RAM).
[15:04] <setuid> It's an NVidia
[15:05] <setuid> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[15:05] <lootoo> it may take address space
[15:05] <setuid> henkjan, It'll take me about a day and a half to convert from this 32-bit install to a 64-bit build
[15:05] <setuid> lootoo, Over 1GB of address space?
[15:06] <DanaG> Argh, I left my computer on overnight to run a torrent, and then this morning I found that it had mysteriously locked up with a black screen overnight.
[15:06] <lootoo> but doubt it is matter for 64 bit... do you have 4 gb remapping or something enabled in BIOS?
[15:07] <setuid> lootoo, No such option in my BIOS... (it's a Thinkpad, 1 week old)
[15:07] <Wobbo> currently the splash screen still has a wrong aspect ratio on widscreen monitors, the logo and the progressbar are stretched horizontally, will that be fixed?
[15:07] <setuid> Wobbo, Did you edit your usplash.conf?
[15:08] <DanaG> wtf?  my computer just randomly beeped at me!
[15:08] <DanaG> ohhh, it's that stupid gnome-power-manager "make sounds on errors"
[15:08] <Wobbo> setuid: yes, the resolution it's using is ok but the 2 items are stretched
[15:08] <DanaG> CLosing and opening the lid is NOT an error!
[15:08] <setuid> henkjan, Is there a 64-bit bootable ISO somewhere with the alternate installer?
[15:09] <setuid> Wobbo, I don't have that problem with 1920x1200 res here.
[15:09] <setuid> Looks great
[15:09] <jimqode> boot splash look weird on my laptop too. 1280x800
[15:09] <Wobbo> i have an 1680*1050 and 1280*800
[15:09] <Wobbo> i have an 1680*1050 and 1280*800
[15:10] <Wobbo> sowwy
[15:10] <DanaG> Oh yeah, vga=anything breaks consoles for me.
[15:12] <setuid> I use vga=37D here, again, works great
[15:13] <jimqode> setuid, well i didn't change anything. it is supposed to work great by default
[15:13] <jimqode> jimqode, it does in gutsy
[15:13] <Galga> 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[15:13] <setuid> jimqode, Try editing your usplash.ocnf
[15:13] <setuid> er, conf
[15:13] <jimqode> talking to myself again? :)
[15:13] <Pici> Galga: dont do that...
[15:13] <Galga> 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111h111o11w111 11t11o1111 1111d1111o111w1111111111111111111111111s11n1111t11o1111p111 111t111h11a11t1111111111111111111111111111111111
[15:13] <setuid> Pici, Could be a keyboard issue, latest 64-bit kernels have this probvlem
[15:14] <setuid> Repeating keys at a very rapid rate
[15:14] <Pici> *sigh*
[15:14] <Pici> Galga: pick a different kernel when you reboot and join again.
[15:14] <Galga> 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111h111o1w1111 1t111o111 1111s111111t111o111p1111111111 1111t11h1a11t1111
[15:15] <Galga> 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111i1t111s11 1111n11t1o11111 111s111t11o111111p1111p111i11n1111g11
[15:15] <orvokki> Could you please dump your core already?
[15:15] <setuid> Galga, Use a 32-bit kernel
[15:15] <Galga> 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111h111o1w1111 1t111o111 1111s111111t111o111p1111111111 1111t11h1a11t111111111111111111111111111111111111111111110111111111111
[15:15] <DanaG> setuid: can you take a look at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/framebuffer to see whether 'modprobe fbcon' has "-Qb" ?
[15:15] <setuid> henkjan, Would an AMD64 kernel work on an Intel C2D?
[15:15] <Galga> 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111h11a11r11111d 11111111111b1111111o1111o11t1111 111111111111
[15:15] <TheInfinity> what an idiot
[15:15] <setuid>         modprobe -Qb fbcon
[15:16]  * setuid answers his own question 
[15:16] <DanaG> Hmm, they said they'd changed the package to "not respect blacklists on fb modules", but that didn't change.
[15:16] <tgelter> is it just me or is selinux pretty much useless on ubuntu because of an overly-undeveloped policy?
[15:17] <beerockxs> ok, fixed my mouse. The InputDevice section in xorg.conf was not setup quite right.
[15:17] <beerockxs> It was either the wrong protocol or the missing CorePointer option
[15:18] <setuid> I hate Intel processors and chipsets, they're so broken and buggy
[15:18] <setuid> Buying 4GB for a machine that is hard-wired to only see 3GB max is fraud.
[15:18] <DanaG> My 965+ICH7 laptop works fine for me; better than my old nforce2 ever did.
[15:19] <DanaG> Perhaps Lenovo is the one at fault.
[15:19] <DanaG> HP offers a workstation laptop that supports 4 gigs of RAM/
 if BIOS see it, its not hardware issue probably... try other distros, OSes or something
[15:20] <DanaG> Or wait, maybe even 8.
[15:20] <setuid> Sure, and Lenovo claims that it supports 4GB, and it does, until you load a 32-bit or 64-bit OS on it
[15:20] <lootoo> setuid: and its not intel fault, same problem i had with AMD
[15:20] <lootoo> system
[15:20] <DanaG> Yup, it supports 8.
[15:20] <setuid> lootoo, Nope, there's only 1 version of 1 OS that claims to see it, and that's Vista 64-bit Ultimate
[15:20] <setuid> Not even 64-bit 2003 Server supports iut
[15:20] <DanaG> 8 is ungodly expensive, though:  http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&ProductLineId=539&FamilyId=2623&BaseId=23735&jumpid=re_R2515_store/smProdCat/PSG/notebooks/HP_8510w_notebook_CFG9
[15:20] <setuid> Nor Gentoo 64-bit, Ubuntu or SuSE
[15:21] <lootoo> setuid: did you tried vista?
[15:21] <lootoo> just to know if it see it
[15:22] <lootoo> and kernel options like HIGHMEM64G or something
[15:22] <lootoo> dunno
[15:23] <setuid> I could pop the original drive that came with this laptop (default Lenovo Vista install), and see
[15:23] <setuid> But I'm willing to bet they fraudulently change the displayed value to reduce customer complaints, because Vista *DOES NOT* support 4GB RAM on Intel C2D chipsets.
[15:24] <lootoo> also you may try bios update
[15:24] <setuid> Latest bios as of a week ago
[15:24] <setuid> I'll see if they released one in the last few days
[15:24] <tgelter> I've got a C2D w/ 4 GB RAM (all recognized and used)...
[15:24] <setuid> Looks like it'll be 44 hours before the hard-amd64 alternate ISO is downloaded
[15:24] <setuid> cdimage is *CRAWLING*
[15:24] <tgelter> setuid: using the torrent?
[15:24] <setuid> tgelter, no
[15:25] <tgelter> setuid: I'd recommend the torrent, it usually screams compared to direct DL
[15:25] <DanaG> setuid: run 'cpuid' (google for it) under Vista, then.
[15:25] <setuid> No torrents for these
[15:25] <tgelter> setuid: ah, that makes a difference =)
[15:25] <setuid> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[15:26] <DanaG> Oddly enough, the usually wicked-fast mirrors.kernel.org is currently being slow, for some reason.
[15:26] <LibertyShadow> Torrents are so much better for the servers too
[15:27] <setuid> LibertyShadow, I've been a production torrent tracker for a handful of OSS projects for about 6 years, I'm aware of the benefits ;)
[15:27] <DanaG> OOh, 8 gigs of RAM in a laptop.... would you use it?
[15:27] <LibertyShadow> setuid: Just saying :D
[15:27] <DanaG> For 1200 bucks (over base 1x2GB DIMM)
[15:29] <setuid> DanaG, Use Crucial, they were 1/2 the cost of the same RAM from Lenovo directly
[15:29] <DanaG> My current laptop just has dirt-cheap RAM from newegg.  It came with 1x512, and I added a second one.
[15:29] <setuid> cdimage is at 5.3k/sec now
[15:30] <DanaG> But the fact that that HP supports 8 gigs is pretty cool... though I wouldn't use it.
[15:30] <nemo> DanaG: would be good for a dev laptop
[15:30] <Ayabara> hey. I use FF3b4 in Ubuntu with a dark theme, and I'm having problems with dark letters on dark background in dialog boxes. I had a userContent.css that fixed this on FF2, but it doesn't seem to work on FF3b4. Anyone know the why of this?
[15:30] <setuid> Would be horrible for battery life though
[15:30] <nemo> DanaG: say, one running oracle database, a java application server, an IDE and other memory hogs...
[15:30] <DanaG> You'd be able to get an extended 12-cell battery that adds on to the existing 8-cell.
[15:31] <nemo> those all get pretty greedy on my system :-/
[15:31] <setuid> adds onto? For a total of 20 cells?
[15:31] <DanaG> I believe so.
[15:31] <setuid> That's the same weight as a second laptop! :)
[15:31] <nemo> luggable
[15:31] <DanaG> Base laptop is 6 pounds.
[15:32] <setuid> +4 pounds for batteries
[15:32] <DanaG> 1.77 pounds, says Newegg.
[15:32] <DanaG> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834998017
[15:34] <Galga> hi
[15:35] <Galga> my keyboard was locked and '1' key was auto-pressed
[15:36] <Galga> was it because of a bug or something ? i was playing with mplayer
[15:37] <nemo> Galga: there are several bugs on this
[15:37] <nemo> Galga: the older one having been duped on a newer one
[15:37] <Galga> nemo: ok. But i think it was due to mplayer
[15:37] <nemo> if you want the annoying workaround, turn off keyboard repeat in keyboard settings
[15:37] <setuid> 91.189.88.{34|39} must be getting hammered
[15:38] <nblracer> hello, i have a problem, i dont think it is is a bug, just user error
[15:38] <nblracer> or me beeing a n00b
[15:38] <nemo> Galga: well, I could be misunderstanding you, but if it is same bug, it isn't mplayer.
[15:38] <DanaG> Is it this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194214
[15:38] <nemo> seems to have a variety of triggers.
[15:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[15:38] <DanaG> the stuckage.
[15:38] <setuid> nemo, it's a load issue
[15:38] <DanaG> ?
[15:38] <nemo> setuid: ... load.
[15:38] <DanaG> (sorry, I'm a bit obsessive-compulsive about my own punctuation)
[15:38] <nemo> setuid: you're joking.
[15:38] <setuid> Under heavy load, the kreyboard goes nuts and repeats
[15:38] <Galga> thanks for the link DanaG
[15:38] <nemo> setuid: ok. I have a dual core system
[15:38] <nemo> setuid: I open gedit
[15:39] <nemo> I hold down a key while clicking on the mouse
[15:39] <nemo> my CPUs don't even crack 1%
[15:39] <nemo> and it sticks.
[15:39] <DanaG> AAh, keyboard+mouse is exactly the trigger.
[15:39] <setuid> That's intentioanl
[15:39] <setuid> er, intentional
[15:39] <nemo> DanaG: yep. that's what does it for me. just found the idea of "load" to be amusing
[15:39] <DanaG> Temporary workaround: go back to xserver-xorg-core 1.4
[15:39] <setuid> It doesn't stick, it stops if you let go of the mouse
[15:39] <nemo> setuid: not at all
[15:39] <setuid> I just tested it here, it stops when I release the mouse
[15:39] <nemo> setuid: it sticks. every single time, it sticks.
[15:39] <setuid> Linux version 2.6.24-12-server (buildd@palmer) (gcc version 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu4)) #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:34:17 UTC 2008
[15:40] <nemo> setuid: USB mouse, USB keyboard, FWIW
[15:40] <DanaG> PS/2 for me.
[15:40] <setuid> Thinkpad here, so PS2 as well
[15:40] <nemo> but, yeah, turning off keyboard repeat fixes - if you know of a way to turn that "feature" off completely though.
[15:40] <nemo> if indeed the idea was to make it do that, and it isn't picking up a keyboard release.
[15:41] <nemo> I'd prefer to have keyboard repeat than turning everything off just to avoid some silly feature like "repeat keys while mouse down" that appears to be broken :)
[15:41] <nemo> 'cause there isn't any way for me to solve it except to disable repeat in menu if I can reach it (even clicking on a gconf disable script I made didn't help) or restarting.
[15:42] <DanaG> Restarting Xorg alone will fix it, too: use alt-sysrq-k instead of ctrl-alt-backspace.
[15:42] <setuid> Any one have a faster mirror for http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/hardy-alternate-amd64.iso
[15:42] <nemo> DanaG: interesting.
[15:42] <nemo> DanaG: well, I can usually get to a terminal. you can restart Xorg without killing gnome?
[15:43] <DanglyBits> how do i do a remote desktop session with my hardy box at home , from work computer (windowsXp)?
[15:43] <DanaG> Nope, that's not possible -- killing Xorg kills everything under it.
[15:43] <setuid> DanaG, rdesktop
[15:43] <DanaG> Wrong tab-complete?
[15:43] <setuid> DanaG, Assuming your RDP host allows external connections and firewall rules permit the port across
[15:43] <DanaG> DanglyBits: That's a funny nickname.
[15:44] <DanglyBits> do i need to look at freenx?
[15:45] <setuid> DanglyBits, Why?
[15:45] <DanglyBits> how do i do a remote desktop session with my hardy box at home , from work computer (windowsXp)?
[15:45] <setuid> Do you have the ability to punch holes through the firewall?
[15:45] <DanglyBits> yes
[15:45] <setuid> uh
[15:45] <setuid> Wait, you can't
[15:45] <DanglyBits> work firewall or home?
[15:46] <setuid> If you're at work, sitting at your XP machine, you can't initiate an rdesktop connection from there to your Hardy box at home, back into your XP machine at work.
[15:46] <DanglyBits> so what can i use to do that ?
[15:46] <DanaG> There are no RDP host applications for Linux; use that FreeNX instead.
[15:46] <DanglyBits> what software?
[15:46] <setuid> vnc over ssh, probably
[15:46] <Wobbo>  is there a new usplash human theme incomming? Perhaps in the same style as the new login screen
[15:46] <nemo> DanaG: sooo. what whould be the point in not using ctrl-alt-backspace? :)
[15:46] <setuid> I'm not even sure why you'd want to do that
[15:47] <nemo> DanaG: anyway, I usually can manage to sign out normally using mouse...
[15:47] <DanaG> Ctrl-alt-backspace won't be working under the stuck keyboard.
[15:47] <setuid> You're already at the XP machine, why go out and back in, just to get to the same machine
[15:47] <nemo> DanaG: works under my stuck keyboard. I think.
[15:47] <nemo> DanaG: hard to remember. lately I have just signed out normally.
[15:47] <nemo> or disabled keyboard repeat :-p
[15:47] <DanglyBits> does anyone know if there is a freenx 0.7.2 version for hardy yet?
[15:47] <DanglyBits> gentoo has one
[15:47] <setuid> I don't think you're describing your problem accurately
[15:49] <DanglyBits> setuid: i am at work and want to visually see my hardy linux desktop on my home computer...how can i accomplish that?
[15:49] <setuid> Ah, that's different
[15:49] <setuid> So you can use vnc/tightvnc to do that
[15:49] <setuid> and install vncviewer on the Windows machine
[15:50] <DanglyBits> is tightvnc just as fast as nx?
[15:50] <setuid> Fast or faster, yes.
[15:50] <DanglyBits> ok...ill try tightvnc
[15:52] <Galga> DanaG: yes, i did pressed '1' key for quite sometime and this happened. secondly, whenever i try to run apt-get install in a terminal. it jumps to 5 blank lines and usually 3 to 5 cmdline ENTER
[15:52] <DanaG> Same for me: it'll spam 'enter' and cause the "are you sure" thingy to appear multiple times on unauthenticated packages.
[15:53] <Galga> but i m happy i haven't pressed the del key for that long :)
[15:54] <Galga> ok repeat key is disabled now
[15:54] <flipstar> Galga: theres a bug report for that.. #203573
[15:55] <DanaG> bug 203573
[15:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203573 in apt "apt-get produces empty space/lines" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203573
[15:55] <Galga> flipstar: yes i am already reading one
[15:55] <nemo> setuid: "fast or faster"  - not in my experience :-/
[15:56] <nemo> setuid: plus, interfaces are more responsive and natural.
[15:56] <setuid> nemo, Depends on your configuration. In my experience, FreeNX was slower.
[15:56] <setuid> but then again, my systems are optimized for that kind of usability
[15:56] <nemo> setuid: remote over web. nxserver/nxclient running ssh connection, compressed.
[15:56] <setuid> Which ssh crypt algo?
[15:56] <nemo> vnc, even with tightvnc with bgr233 and jpeg compression, was significantly laggier
[15:56] <setuid> blowfish is MUCH faster
[15:57] <Galga> bbl
[15:57] <nemo> setuid: that's not really relevant once the connection is established
[15:57] <setuid> Sure it is
[15:57] <nemo> PKE is only for setting up the private key session alg...
[15:57] <setuid> Nope, read up on it. What do you think encrypts the session data?
[15:58] <nemo> private key random number streams are all about equally fast
[15:58] <setuid> Or run libgcrypt's tests on your machine and see
[15:58] <setuid> Nope, completely false. See above.
[15:58] <nemo> I have read up on it in past in context of HTTPS. perhaps ssh does differently. which seems foolish
[15:58] <setuid> I just did benchmarks on 32/64 bit Linux and 32/64-bit SunOS yesterday. The results were shocking.
[15:58] <nemo> PKE algs are all horribly slow compared to a private key stream
[15:59] <nemo> setuid: example test you ran?
[15:59] <setuid> The stock libgcrypt tests in this particular case
[15:59] <nemo> setuid: 'cause, yeah. initially it may be slower...
[15:59] <setuid> The Sun box took 8 hours to run them ;)
[15:59] <nemo> setuid: that doesn't necessarily invalidate what I said
[15:59] <setuid> Of course, that's just an aside that Sun hardware sucks ;)
[15:59] <nemo> can you link me to where ssh does not use private keys for the stream? since you said I should read up on it, perhaps you have a resource?
[16:00] <nemo> since, well, I *am* only familiar with it in another context.
[16:00] <nemo> s/private keys/private key exchange/
[16:00] <lepta> having great problems over ubuntu hardy with xorg .. cant dpkg-reconfigure it properly,.. anyone can explain me why i cant configure the driver and resolution section?
[16:00] <setuid> Look at the -c option to ssh
[16:00] <nemo> setuid: I'm aware of what that does
[16:00] <setuid> Then  you should be clear
[16:01] <setuid> Not -C
[16:01] <nemo> setuid: dude. that's for the PKE. I've already said that most SSL only uses PKE to setup the connection
[16:01] <nemo> you disagree
[16:01] <nemo> so. I'm requesting more info than "-c"
[16:01] <setuid> I don't use SSL for ssh sessions...
[16:01] <nemo> I said that was the context I was familiar with it in.
[16:02] <nemo> I'm still waiting for your information. I'm not being hostile, you just said I was "completely wrong" so I'd like to learn more about why ssh would do things the inefficient way.
[16:03] <setuid> It doesn't... We were talking in the context of "more responsive", and using a faster crypt algo will make that experience smoother...
[16:03] <setuid> I didn't say it "compresses better" or anything like that
[16:03] <nemo> setuid: and I noted the algorithm you use only matters in initial setup of the stream.
[16:03] <nemo> so, say the first 30 seconds of the session
[16:03] <nemo> tops
[16:03] <nemo> well. cypher block chaining might vary a bit between algs
[16:03] <setuid> And how are all packets after that sent across the connection?
[16:04] <nemo> setuid: using a private alg exchanged during initial public encryption
[16:04] <nemo> public key encryption is horribly inefficient
[16:04] <nemo> requires a lot of modulus operations just for small chunks of data
[16:04] <nemo> at least, that is how it is normally done. maybe ssh is different - since you seem to know, you must have a resource
[16:05] <setuid> I didn't say I was an expert, but several years of anecdotal usage of various crypt algos remotely, blowfish is SIGNIFICANTLY faster and "smoother" (to use your word), than the others.
[16:05] <nemo> ok. so annecdotal.
[16:05] <nemo> fair 'nuff.
[16:05] <setuid> And not just the initial 30 second handshake
[16:05] <Exilant> anyone else experiences problems with logout from X?
[16:05] <flipstar> setuid: i thing this depends on the cpu you use
[16:06] <setuid> flipstar, Sure, and if I change what -c I pass, the results differ
[16:06] <setuid> On the same target and source cpus
[16:06] <nemo> setuid: and wasn't saying you said you were an expert either. although you did say I was "completely wrong" :)
[16:06] <flipstar> amd or intel i mean..mostly blowfish is faster on amd..aes faster on intel..
[16:06] <nemo> that I take exception to, since I thought I had some understanding of how public key encryption is normally used
[16:07] <setuid> I'll have to write up some actual benchmarks and publish them
[16:08] <setuid> We use a thing at work, some web-based, java-based RDP client, and it's at least 2x faster than the standard Remote Desktop Connection. I don't know what they're using, or how they did it, but it's almost identical to working local. No lag.
[16:08] <setuid> It's this: http://www.hobsoft.com/
[16:09] <nemo> anyway, RTFMing the openssl crypt man pages now
[16:09] <savvas> you got two more like that setuid, like nomachine.com and loginsomething, can't remember the exact name
[16:10] <nemo> setuid: it does appear that blowfish does efficient CBC
[16:10] <nemo> setuid: I find it hard to believe it would be noticeable. but, ok. :)
[16:10] <nemo> setuid: anyway. I guess my point is.  I found VNC to be a LOT slower - and neither machine was close to maxing out its CPU
[16:11] <nemo> plus, of course, nomachine isn't polling the display, it is smarter
[16:11] <nemo> thus no clipping artifacts or missed polls
[16:12] <DanaG> damnit, I just had another one of those hard lockups.
[16:19] <DanaG> Ohh great, now my fat32 partition will be screwed up, and I'll likely lose my Firefox bookmarks.
[16:20] <DanaG> Lovely.
[16:22] <Galga> there are other partitions on drive. whenever i try to open them, message says you are not privileged to mount drive. they were accessible in 7.10
[16:22] <Wobbo> anyone having hickups with synergy?
[16:26] <nemo> DanaG: um. your bookmarks *are* backed up :)
[16:26] <nemo> DanaG: you know, I've been thinking of ditching my FAT32 partition - NTFS-3g seems pretty stable lately
[16:27] <DanaG> Aah, it didn't lose bookmarks this time; just lost my session.
[16:27] <savvas> i use ext3 with http://www.fs-driver.org/
[16:27] <nemo> savvas: hm.
[16:27] <nemo> savvas: that direction worries me more :)
[16:27] <nemo> I'd care less if my NTFS partition was corrupted.
[16:28] <savvas> well... it's easier to manage :P
[16:28] <nemo> heh.
[16:28] <nemo> actually, what I should do is move my user data on both NT and Linux into separate partitions
[16:28] <nemo> then mount those
[16:28] <savvas> i use ubuntu as my main o/s, and once or twice per fortnight i use windows xp
[16:29] <nemo> I can back up, say, the D:\Program Files  and if it gets corrupted, restore it without worrying about that registry crap
[16:29] <savvas> ah
[16:29] <nemo> and I guess D:\Documents and Settings
[16:29] <savvas> well true :P
[16:29] <DanaG> ext2ifs doesn't work very well.
[16:29] <DanaG> For example, if it's uncleanly unmounted, it'll ask you to format the volume,
[16:29] <savvas> DanaG: it works if you use a read only :P
[16:29] <DanaG> instead of just read-only.
[16:30] <savvas> urm..
[16:30] <DanaG> You can't set it to do read-only on failure.  Same with ntfs-3g.
[16:30] <DanaG> It's all or nothing: rw or nothing.
[16:31] <savvas> i generally have another hard disk for windows, and I don't really need anything else besides stuff that I download while i'm on ubuntu :P
[16:32]  * DanaG wonders how big is big enough to back up a 40GB ext3 partition with multiple snapshots.
[16:35]  * DanaG likes his Hitachi 7k200-200.
[16:36] <Splex> I am having troubles with the acpi-support 0.106 package.  Is there a way for me to downgrade to 0.105?
[16:36] <nemo> DanaG: ... snapshots?
[16:36] <DanaG> I want to keep backups of multiple points in time.
[16:37] <nemo> DanaG: btw, have you heard of the idea of checking in $HOME in subversion (and before that, CVS)?  I thought that was neat :)
[16:37] <DanaG> I have lots of stuff in /etc, though.
[16:37] <DanaG> Lots of customized stuff, I mean.
[16:37] <nemo> mmm. but that tends to be tied to system
[16:37] <nemo> DanaG: you should perhaps use RCS in /etc
[16:37] <nemo> since that disassociates it from your backup policy
[16:38] <nemo> ... or even check /etc into subversion too :)
[16:38] <DanaG> My xorg.conf has sections for intel and nvidia (current) and vboxvideo.
[16:38] <DanaG> RCS?
[16:38] <nemo> the precursor to CVS
[16:38] <nemo> DanaG: very lightweight, so you can just use RCS inside /etc
[16:38] <DanaG> If I have one section for each type of video device, then it's interchangable.
[16:38] <nemo> no need for separate repo.
[16:48] <Exilant> whenever I logout of X, my system crashes
[16:48] <Exilant> any idea where to find out sth. about that?
[16:48] <Ayabara> is it possible to have FF2 and FF3 installed at the same time, with different config directories?
[16:50] <nemo> Ayabara: sure.
[16:50] <nemo> Ayabara: ... now. what do you mean by config directories. do you mean profiles?
[16:51] <Ayabara> nemo: I think that's what I mean :-)
[16:51] <nemo> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_Manager#Linux
[16:51] <Ayabara> thanks
[16:51] <nemo> Ayabara: you can then have your firefox 2 shortcut pass the -P for its custom profile
[16:52] <nemo> is indeed often necessary with custom extensions, unless you don't mind stuff vanishing when you have FF2/FF3 share a profile :)
[16:52] <Ayabara> nemo: got it
[16:58] <ant30> hi all
[17:08] <DanaG> What's the best blocksize to use to make dd unobtrusive to the system?  I'm dd'ing between two hard drives.
[17:30] <vallhalla81> having sound card can anyone advise?
[17:30] <vallhalla81> issues*
[17:32] <minimec> vallhalla81: I would do lspci | grep -i audio in a terminal and search for your chip in combination with hardy
[17:34] <LaserJock> anybody know what things you have to change if the UUID of your swap partition changes?
[17:35] <LaserJock> I've already changed the fstab entry and did an update-initramfs but still no swap
[17:36] <LaserJock> bah, I just found it: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[17:36] <vallhalla81> minimec: i will lookin to it now ty
[17:38] <Galga> grep stands for gnome report right ?
[17:38] <ReL1K> anyone ran into any issues with hardy and vmware 6+?
[17:38] <ReL1K> thinking about updating
[17:39] <flipstar> ReL1K: you cant compile vmware on the latest kernel..
[17:39] <flipstar> need a patch for that
[17:40] <LaserJock> Galga: I'm pretty sure it doesn't. grep doesn't have anything to do with gnome
[17:40] <ReL1K> flipstar, gotchya thanks
[17:40] <Galga> LaserJock: yes, reading on wiki now
[17:44] <savvas> ReL1K: you could try virtualbox, the gutsy compiled release works fine here
[17:45] <Seamus> Hello, I'm looking for a suspend/resume solution for a thinkpad t61p
[17:45] <Seamus> nvidia 570m proprietary drivers seem to be the issue
[17:45] <Seamus> the VESA drivers are annoyingly slow but suspend works fine with them.
[17:48] <ReL1K> savvas: been having some major issues with USB and virtualbox..would pick virtualbox in a heartbeat but because of the USB support ive steered away
[17:50] <LCID_Fire> Hi
[17:50] <LCID_Fire> How does one replace the current running kernel - with one built from git?
[17:52] <ccooke> LCID_Fire: 1) use kernel-package. 2) Is there a reason you need that? should you be submitting a bug against the hardy kernel?
[17:53] <LCID_Fire> ccooke: I changed a driver and I'd like to try it out - problem is since it's the same kernel version the install script appearently does not replace the current running modules :(
[18:07] <askand> I understand that aticards are being blacklisted in compiz in current hardy, can someone explain why?
[18:14] <Amaranth> askand: If you are using a laptop and using the ati driver (not fglrx) compiz will not load for you because of problems with basically all of the mobility cards
[18:14] <Amaranth> Well, it's actually a problem with the ati driver but since we're going on 9 months or so of it being broken and no fix in sight we're just blocking the cards
[18:15] <Amaranth> askand: the 'fix' is to install the fglrx driver
[18:16] <Seamus> Amaranth: don't I know you? P
[18:16] <Seamus> *:P
[18:16]  * Amaranth hides
[18:16] <Seamus> Oh, he left.  Oh well.
[18:16] <Amaranth> ?
[18:17] <Seamus> Amaranth: have you ever been in a channel that sounds like "word"?
[18:17] <askand> Amaranth:  ok..cause the restricted drivers manager tells me I dont need restricted drivers..is that a bug then?
[18:18] <Amaranth> Seamus: I don't think so
[18:18] <Amaranth> askand: No, this is something I still need to fix
[18:18] <Amaranth> askand: You have a very old mobile ati chip that fglrx no longer supports, these are also the ones that work fine with the ati driver
[18:18] <Seamus> I think you have some friends in this channel.  or "friends", I dunno.
[18:19] <Amaranth> I hoped to get the fix in yesterday but it's going to have to wait until after the beta release
[18:19] <Amaranth> Seamus: lateralus?
[18:19] <Seamus> Yeah.
[18:19] <askand> Amaranth: fglrx is the same drivers as you download from atisite? cause them support my card..
[18:19] <Amaranth> I imagine he has not good things to say about me :)
[18:19] <Amaranth> askand: yes
[18:19] <Amaranth> askand: I just answered this
[18:20] <Seamus> Those guys need to lighten up a little anyway.
[18:20] <askand> Amaranth: Ah ok.. well I wish you luck in fixing :)
[18:20] <Amaranth> askand: you have a radeon mobility 9000 or something, right?
[18:20] <Seamus> I think he mentioned you being "retarded" or something
[18:20] <askand> nono x600
[18:20] <Amaranth> askand: oh, in that case you won't get fixed
[18:20] <askand> :O
[18:20] <askand> :(
[18:20] <Amaranth> askand: the x600 mobility is one that is known broken
[18:20] <Amaranth> and the fglrx driver does support it
[18:20] <Seamus> Anyway, I saw your blog, so you're working on ATI drivers now?
[18:21] <Amaranth> Seamus: yeah, he is a very angry man :)
[18:21] <Seamus> how about making the nvidia VESA drivers not suck?
[18:21] <Amaranth> Seamus: nah, I don't work on drivers
[18:21] <Amaranth> i work on compiz :)
[18:21] <Seamus> oh that's right.
[18:21] <askand> Amaranth: hrm..what will happen when hardy is released? is there a way I can fix that manually then?
[18:21] <Amaranth> askand: you can start compiz with SKIP_CHECKS=yes
[18:22] <Amaranth> Seamus: I know a lot of high-level stuff about driver though, that's kind of required for this stuff :)
[18:22] <Seamus> Amaranth: Do you know what's wrong with emerald?  When I enable compiz it causes poor tab performance in firefox.
[18:22] <askand> Amaranth:  hm..but there must be a reason I must use skipchecks? what is wrong? im just curious :)
[18:22] <Amaranth> Seamus: the nouveau driver is getting very good, it's already better than nv (and nvidia) for 2D stuff
[18:22] <Amaranth> Seamus: emerald is a dead project, no one cares for it anymore
[18:22] <Seamus> does it support the quadro 570m laptop chip?
[18:22] <franek> hi
[18:22] <Amaranth> ah, you have an NV5x chip
[18:23] <Amaranth> in that case you'd be better off using the vesa driver, i think :P
[18:23] <Amaranth> they don't have any acceleration for NV5x yet
[18:23] <Seamus> uh, the performance with it sucks unless I dumb down the res
[18:23] <franek> i have lite problem :/
[18:23] <Amaranth> and they don't have any support (officially) for 3D
[18:23] <Amaranth> and it'll be quite some time before compiz works on nouveau
[18:23] <franek> i update my ubuntu 7.1 to 8.4 and
[18:24] <Seamus> and when I enable the nvidia drivers performance isn't much better, I think this is related to the stupid ass frequency scaling
[18:24] <franek> nautillus is now dead
[18:24] <Amaranth> askand: the driver is buggy, most people with your chip get random lockups or X crashes when compiz starts
[18:24] <Seamus> Amaranth: do you have any idea how to turn that frequency scaling BS off?
[18:24] <franek> I kant go to any directory....
[18:24] <askand> Amaranth: Oh I see, so the best would perhaps be to stay in gutsy? :)
[18:24] <franek> why is this?you know?
[18:24] <Amaranth> askand: no, it's actually broken in gutsy too :P
[18:25] <askand> :S
[18:25] <Amaranth> franek: can't say i've heard that one before
[18:25] <askand> Amaranth: it have worked flawless since gutsy alpha :O
[18:25] <Amaranth> askand: we actually tried to block the x600 mobility in gutsy too but there are too many variations and we missed a bunch
[18:25] <askand> Amaranth: thats good...cause it works great :)
[18:25] <Amaranth> so for hardy i took a hammer to it
[18:26] <Amaranth> Seamus: there is something, let me see if i can find it
[18:26] <franek> alpha for testing:)
[18:27] <Seamus> Amaranth: I did some google searches, forum searches, etc, one solution seems to be install drivers without the scaling.
[18:27] <franek> thanks this os is installed in pendrive:)
[18:27] <Seamus> But ideally I'd like to be able to increase the sensitivity so it isn't noticeable when it switches.
[18:28] <Seamus> or have it run at the middle performance level and then go to high when necessary.
[18:28] <Amaranth> Seamus: it's hard to search for this thing :P
[18:28] <franek> when to be final HH?
[18:29] <Amaranth> it's a option you pass to the kernel module to lock it to full performance
[18:29] <Amaranth> franek: april 24th
[18:29] <Seamus> Amaranth: ah.  Maybe there's something in /proc ?
[18:30] <franek> 37 days only hihi
[18:30] <askand> Amaranth: A last question..my ATI X600 card has worked very well with compiz in gutsy..will it work as well in hardy if I use the skipcheck thing? :)
[18:30] <Amaranth> askand: should
[18:31] <askand> Amaranth: great
[18:31] <Amaranth> Seamus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3873077&postcount=22
[18:31] <Seamus> Amaranth: if there's something in proc I can use I might be able to make it go full performance when I plug it in, enable the scaling when it's on battery
[18:31] <Seamus> by editing an acpi script.
[18:31] <Amaranth> Seamus: nope, you have to do it at module load time
[18:31] <franek> i'm new user and i'm so happy so using linux :)
[18:32] <Seamus> Doh.  Well thanks for the help anyway, Amaranth.
[18:32] <Seamus> this should suffice for now
[18:33] <franek> how to repair nautillus?
[18:33] <savvas> franek: if you're new to linux, you shouldn't use hardy, it's not stable yet
[18:36] <franek> I have hardy id hdd I wond only try hh:)
[18:37] <franek> achehh :P
[18:38] <franek> where there's a will, there's a way
[18:38] <savvas> < franek> how to repair nautillus? <- not with that kind of questions :)
[18:38] <savvas> have you updated?
[18:39] <ysth1> recently when I select a url in a terminal window and try to "Open Link", I get Could not open the address "...":
[18:39] <ysth1> There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location.
[18:40] <franek> savvas hahahah
[18:40] <savvas> ysth1: a problem to link firefox, choose it from preferred applications at system > preferences > preferred applications
[18:41] <savvas> i think it's not reported
[18:41] <ysth1> gah, it's set to look for b3 still
[18:41] <franek> savvas you misadvise to use widwos?:P
[18:42] <savvas> franek: i was serious if you have updated
[18:42] <savvas> and you're using the main server in apt sources.list
[18:43] <ysth1> thanks
[18:43] <franek> i change repositorium 7.1 to 8.4 and update
[18:45] <savvas> franek: apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop | grep -i "installed\|ubuntu\.com"
[18:49] <franek> 500 http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[18:50] <franek> this shell give me
[18:50] <savvas> franek: system > administration > software sources > download from: main server > close > reload
[18:53] <franek> problem if i kant open software source i click an not work
[18:54] <franek> in desktop i dont have icons and right clic mouse 	be out of kilter
[18:59] <franek> encounter
[19:00] <askand> Is  xorg-driver-fglrx based on latest driver from ati? Is it updated when a new driver is released over there
[19:00] <franek> savvas thx:)
[19:00] <franek> by
[19:03] <jimmygoon> The Vinagre menu item text is decieving
[19:04] <jimmygoon> It implies more than simple VNC connections. How is this better than the Terminal Service Client? TSC supports liek 6x as many protocols
[19:09] <oxigen> my hd run on 46 celsius, is this normal?
[19:09] <jimmygoon> thats like around 100 degrees
[19:10] <oxigen> 100 degrees?
[19:10] <jimmygoon> F
[19:10] <oxigen> aha
[19:10] <jimmygoon> just saying
[19:10] <jimmygoon> 120F to be more exact
[19:11] <oxigen> 115F
[19:11] <savvas> celcius?
[19:11] <savvas> :)
[19:12]  * savvas shuts up :p
[19:12] <oxigen> :)
[19:21] <pen> I installed mplayer and mozilla-mplayer, when I stream a video it has no sound
[19:21] <pen> how can I solve this?
[19:22] <flipstar> you could try a different audio device.. mplayer -ao alsa for e.g.
[19:22] <pen> I tried
[19:22] <flipstar> you stream this video or watch this stream ?
[19:23] <pen> watch this stream
[19:24] <flipstar> does other clients have sound? like vlc or so
[19:24] <pen> before I install mplayer totem xine was doing a good job except it was laggy
[19:25] <pen> it is faster with mplayer but with no sound
[19:25] <flipstar> you already tried oss or pulse ?
[19:25] <flipstar> maybe codecs for mplayer are missing ..
[19:26] <pen> I have no idea
[19:26] <pen> pulse I'm not sure
[19:27] <pen> codecs missing? but I can watch mov files
[19:27] <pen> just no sound
[19:27] <pen> I think use alsa because I haven't changed any sound settings so I assume it uses alsa
[19:32] <savvas> pen: what video? real media? avi?
[19:34] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi!
[19:34] <pen> well, real media is still problematic, avi I think I can, but no sound in streaming
[19:34] <savvas> pen: try with realplayer: http://www.real.com/linux
[19:34] <savvas> it worked for me for some mobile videos and real media stuff i have
[19:35] <pen> savvas: ok, but let me solve the sound in mplayer first
[19:35] <pen> I don't understand
[19:35] <pen> why
[19:35] <nerdygirl_ellie> Does anyone have the linux-restricted-modules-nvidia driver working in hardy?  I had it working under Gutsy, but X won't start with it enabled in 8.04.  Something in the glx module is dying with an error message that I can now not recall.
[19:35] <pen> no sound in mplayer
[19:36] <savvas> pen: maybe restricted codecs, try get w64codecs or w32codecs from www.medibuntu.org
[19:36] <flipstar> pen: are local files of same format working ?
[19:36] <savvas> also you have to change your codecs in the preferences to make it work with mplayer i think
[19:36] <pen> well, for local files I use totem
[19:37] <flipstar> just try with mplayer once
[19:37] <pen> aha, no sound in mplayer on local files too
[19:38] <pen> it says can't open DirectShow codec wmvdmod.dll
[19:38] <flipstar> then see the tip above :)
[19:38] <pen> what is that?
[19:38] <pen> savvas: but is threre a repository for hardy?
[19:38] <gregory_> savvas: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[19:39] <savvas> pen: gutsy works for now
[19:39] <pen> are u using hardy?
[19:39] <savvas> yessir
[19:39] <pen> then how do I add the repository? with gusty?
[19:39] <savvas> yep
[19:39] <pen> ok, I will try
[19:40] <savvas> if it says gutsy, it doesn't mean it doesn't work on hardy :)
[19:40] <nerdygirl_ellie> are you looking for the hardy medibuntu repository?
[19:40] <pen> sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[19:40] <pen> like this?
[19:41] <savvas> there is one?
[19:41] <savvas> hold a sec pen
[19:41] <savvas> nerdygirl_ellie: they opened the hardy repo at medibuntu?
[19:41] <nerdygirl_ellie> (checking)
[19:42] <nerdygirl_ellie> http://packages.medibuntu.org/hardy free non-free
[19:42] <savvas> well i'll be
[19:42] <nerdygirl_ellie> stick that in your System -> Administration -> Software Sources -> third party software
[19:44] <savvas> pen: do as nerdygirl_ellie suggested, press add and add the line: http://packages.medibuntu.org/hardy free non-free
[19:44] <nerdygirl_ellie> Then you can see what's available via systeem -> administration -> synaptic -> The origin button in the lower left -> select packages.medibuntu.org (free/non-free/main)
[19:44] <pen> ok
[19:45] <pen> that's nice
[19:46]  * nerdygirl_ellie installed acroread, w32codecs, and non-free-codecs (in suspected violation of a number of federal laws)
[19:46] <savvas> pen: don't forget to add the key btw
[19:46] <pen> is it the same as the gusty one?
[19:46] <pen> if so then it's already added
[19:46] <savvas> yep
[19:46] <savvas> ok
[19:47] <pen> well
[19:47] <pen> still have no sound
[19:48] <pen> and now it says there is no sound device
[19:49] <pen> savvas: how do you configure your pulse?
[19:50] <savvas> easy, I use less salt in my diet
[19:50] <savvas> :p
[19:50] <pen> pulseaudio :p
[19:50] <savvas> and i try not to strain myself lol
[19:50] <pen> I'm a bit unhappy with it
[19:51] <pen> I have waste all this morning trying to make this work
[19:51] <savvas> also, a good effector to increase it is adrenaline aka epinephrine :P
[19:51] <savvas> hum
[19:51] <savvas> well.. I don't use pulseaudio :)
[19:51] <pen> are you using hardy?
[19:52] <savvas> yes
[19:52] <pen> holycow, the sound is up!!
[19:52] <pen> shit, firefox is taking the sound device
[19:52] <pen> that's why
[19:52] <savvas> according to volume control, i use oss mixer
[19:53] <pen> you can change that
[19:53] <pen> in sound settings
[19:53] <savvas> neah
[19:53] <savvas> it works
[19:53] <savvas> :)
[19:54] <pen> :)
[19:54] <pen> savvas: thx you and the other guy for the repo
[19:54] <pen> now I'm happy
[19:54] <pen> :D
[19:57] <savvas> *girl
[19:57] <savvas> :P
[19:57] <savvas> I suppose nerdygirl_ellie is a girl :)
[19:59] <nerdygirl_ellie> (Thanks for noticing! :) )
[20:00] <nerdygirl_ellie> the L-r-m nvidia driver/module... is it working for anyone?
[20:12] <Gnine> is libc6 safe to update from 2.6.24-11-generic x86_64  yet
[20:14] <savvas> Gnine: sudo apt-get update; apt-cache policy libc6
[20:15] <flipstar> libc6 version 2.7-9ubuntu2 should be safe
[20:15] <Gnine> 104
[20:16] <Gnine> that was 10-4 message acknowledged, flip
[20:17] <savvas> hehehe
[20:23] <clusty> hey
[20:24] <clusty> some weird stuff is going on with the python-wx package
[20:24] <clusty> it won;t install cleanly
[20:24] <clusty> ....update
[20:24] <clusty> is it just me?
[20:25] <savvas> try reinstall it
[20:26] <clusty> apt-get install -f?
[20:26] <flipstar> no changes to python-wx ..
[20:27] <clusty> Setting up python-wxgtk2.8 (2.8.7.1-0ubuntu2) ...
[20:27] <clusty> file does not exist: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wxaddons/__init__.py
[20:27] <clusty> file does not exist: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wxaddons/setup.py
[20:27] <clusty> file does not exist: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wxaddons/sized_controls.py
[20:27] <clusty> its wxgtk
[20:27] <clusty> sorry
[20:27] <Gnine> if system is still operational i suggest wait 'til next update
[20:27] <clusty> i can wait no sweat
[20:27] <clusty> no idea who needs the wx stuff
[20:28] <clusty> ...also, was curious of another thing:
[20:28] <clusty> my ACPI reports 3 sesors and i have no idea which is what
[20:28] <clusty> DTS01 ATF0
[20:28] <clusty> is there some standard naming scheme?
[20:29] <clusty> DTS0/DTS1
[20:31] <Gnine> i run with noacpi so cant help you there
[20:32] <clusty> probably the DTS stuff are the 2 cores
[20:32] <clusty> anyways
[20:32] <Gnine> perhaps
[20:32] <clusty> ...yet another mystery :D
[20:37] <flipstar> i have no systemsetting>advanced>system services :(
[20:37] <flipstar> it always say some problem occured and hangs at 0%
[20:39] <Gnine> i dont have those menus at all
[20:40] <Gnine> recap. i do have Services in system>administration
[20:42]  * flipstar running kde
[20:42] <nerdygirl_ellie> clusty: I have the same problem, and have for the last couple of updates.  I am ignoring it.
[20:42] <Gnine> gnome here
[20:42] <clusty> nerdygirl_ellie, cute
[20:42] <nerdygirl_ellie> does anyone have the restricted nvidia module working in hardy?
[20:42] <RAOF> nerdygirl_ellie: Yes.
[20:42] <clusty> mine
[20:42] <clusty> but with envy
[20:43] <Galga> hmm the service manager authentication / unlock idea is cool :)
[20:43]  * RAOF wonders why people use envy on testing systems.  Especially when nvidia-glx-new is the latest released driver.
[20:43] <clusty> a bit too suse-like :(
[20:43] <nerdygirl_ellie> RAOF: X won't start when I enable it here.  Are you using nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[20:44] <clusty> RAOF, because somehow the modules screw up
[20:44] <RAOF> nerdygirl_ellie: nvidia-glx-new.
[20:44] <clusty> RAOF, ...constantly
[20:44]  * nerdygirl_ellie admits she has no idea, but that her WoW performance sucks without nv.
[20:44] <RAOF> clusty: Generally, because you've used Envy, yes :)
[20:44] <clusty> nope
[20:44] <clusty> this is first time i use envy
[20:44]  * flipstar uses binary packages from nvidia.com
[20:44] <clusty> growing tired switching to the intel card till new update comes out
[20:45] <Galga> besides which services i can safely turn off ? power management ?
[20:45] <nerdygirl_ellie> flipstar: do they still used the .sh installer, or did they publish a repository.  For the record, since my issue is with GLX, that won't help me.
[20:45] <flipstar> they provide a binary..but with a nice installer script..
[20:45] <clusty> Galga, you that strapped on resources?
[20:45] <Galga> acpid, apmd
[20:45] <nerdygirl_ellie> RAOF: thanks, I'll try it tonight...
[20:45] <Gnine> nvidia Go6100 with nvidia-glx-new. ok. no issues
[20:46] <dr_evil> I'm dist-upgrading right now, installing the last 324 updates. X just shut down/crashed/quit, doesn't appear to be normal. anyone got an idea?
[20:46] <Galga> clusty: not really, but wanted to test any performance gain.
[20:46] <clusty> dr_evil, check X logs
[20:47] <flipstar> dr_evil: use update-manager/upgrade without X
[20:47] <nerdygirl_ellie> Grine:  Do you know if it will an nVidia G72M [GeForce Go 7400]  (from lspci)
[20:47] <nerdygirl_ellie> s/will/'will work'
[20:47] <dr_evil> i'll check, can still login on console :)
[20:47] <flipstar> dr_evil: X doesnt work anymore ?
[20:47] <clusty> nerdygirl_ellie, i have a 7400
[20:48] <nerdygirl_ellie> clusty:  Could I sweet talk you out of a dpkg -l and a copy of your x config?  Pretty Please?
[20:48] <clusty> anything for nerdy galz
[20:49] <clusty> not a lot of those in the linux world :D
[20:49] <Gnine> i assume that should be the case, nerdygirl_ellie .. otherwise my testing with nvidia has always been succesful
[20:49] <nerdygirl_ellie> clusty: Did you get my pm?
[20:50] <clusty> yah
[20:50] <clusty> in preocess
[20:50] <nerdygirl_ellie> Gnine: Thanks.  Clusty has it working, I'm going to see what's different between our configs.
[20:50] <nerdygirl_ellie> Gnine Clusty RAOF:  Thanks all.
[20:55] <Raspberry> any suggestions for more stability with the npviewer flash plugin for firefox?  seems to crash after each use
[20:56] <dr_evil> flipstar I'm not sure what happened. but I now completed the update using dpkg --update -a
[20:56] <dr_evil> and I try a reboot
[20:57] <dr_evil> but yes, X wasnt running anymore
[20:57] <RAOF> Raspberry: Are you up-to-date?  The -2ubuntu1 version should offer loss crashes :)
[20:57] <Raspberry> yeah
[20:57] <Raspberry> patched up as of an hour ago
[20:57] <Raspberry> it doesn't say it crashed every time -- flash just stops working
[20:58] <dr_evil> uahhh, its alive and running again
[21:09] <Agrajag-> g'day, is anyone else getting some webpages rendered with huge fonts in ff3b4? e.g. twinklephone.com
[21:09] <Agrajag-> didn't happen with beta 3
[21:09] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: are the icons huge too?
[21:10] <Agrajag-> spideylinux: what icons? images on the webpages are normal size
[21:10] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: like the back button and the status bar
[21:10] <Agrajag-> no, they're normal
[21:11] <Agrajag-> just fonts
[21:11] <lepta> having great problems over ubuntu hardy with xorg .. cant dpkg-reconfigure it properly,.. anyone can explain me why i cant configure the driver and resolution section?
[21:11] <Agrajag-> on some webpages. e.g. google.com is fine, twinklephone.com is not
[21:11] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: ok, that's a different issuse than I had
[21:12] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: You might need to set your font size max, google uses their own
[21:12] <Agrajag-> spideylinux: i've tried changing the font size, doesn't seem to change much. even unchecking "Allow pages to use their own fonts ..." doesn't fix it
[21:13] <clusty> Agrajag-, tried ctrl and spin mouse wheel? :D
[21:13] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: that's weird
[21:14] <Agrajag-> yes, but that makes pages look horrible, as the aspect of other elements does not change
[21:14] <Black_Magic> how do i get this package for hardy
[21:14] <Black_Magic>  openssl-devel
[21:14] <flipstar> Agrajag-: maybe forcing 96dbi helps..
[21:15] <Agrajag-> flipstar: force 96dbi where?
[21:15] <jpatrick> !info openssl-devel hardy | Black_Magic
[21:15] <ubotu> black_magic: Package openssl-devel does not exist in hardy
[21:15] <clusty> sudo apt-get install libssl
[21:15] <clusty> pick version
[21:15] <Black_Magic> :/...
[21:15] <clusty> !info libssl-dev
[21:15] <ubotu> libssl-dev (source: openssl): SSL development libraries, header files and documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.8g-4ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 1896 kB, installed size 5532 kB
[21:15] <Black_Magic> E: Package libssl has no installation candidate
[21:16] <flipstar> Agrajag-: dont know where it is in gnome..under apereance somewhere i guess
[21:17] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: check your about:config, layout.css.dpi
[21:17] <Agrajag-> default, -1
[21:17] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: I think you can set that to 96 to force the dpi for firefox
[21:18] <Agrajag-> ok.. gnome dpi is already 96dpi
[21:18] <wurst> hardy <3
[21:18] <wurst> good job, guys ;)
[21:18] <Agrajag-> hmm.. now fonts are tiny
[21:18] <Black_Magic> thx
[21:19] <Agrajag-> wait.. that might just be firefox remembering that i changed the font size
[21:19] <Agrajag-> yeah. looks good now
[21:19] <Agrajag-> wonder why it's getting the gnome dpi wrong
[21:20] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: don't know but I had a similar problem with Beta3 and had to force it
[21:21] <wurst> what about language files for firefox 3?
[21:21] <wurst> will they get included soon?
[21:23] <Agrajag-> does anyone here happen to use twinkle? i just can't get it to work with pulseaudio. twinkle uses alsa, and other alsa apps work fine, but twinkle blocks the device, and wont work if other apps are using the device
[21:28] <ethana2> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5047/
[21:28] <ethana2> Any thoughts on this?
[21:31] <flipstar> i dont get it
[21:32] <ethana2> flipstar: two users, one machine, same time
[21:33] <ethana2> flipstar: with 2 of everything else you'd expect, but i made due with one stereo out
[21:33] <ethana2> ...and just split it into two mono sinks, giving one to each user
[21:35] <flipstar> usally you can play different things at the same time..you tried using alsa instead ?
[21:41] <ethana2> oh wait, sorry
[21:41] <ethana2> ...what?
[21:41] <ethana2> no alsa
[21:41] <ethana2> one user has one speaker from my stereo set
[21:41] <ethana2> the other user has the other speaker
[21:42] <ethana2> ....there are no exceptions to that policy
[21:42] <ethana2> it's as good as hardware, from the userland
[21:42] <flipstar> oh..then setting on channel to left and on the other users channel to right doesnt work..?
[21:43] <ethana2> i made two virtual sound devices that things can use
[21:43] <ethana2> one is the right speaker
[21:43] <ethana2> one is the left speaker
[21:43] <ethana2> ...each user has their own ... i think it's like
[21:43] <ethana2> default.pulse or something
[21:43] <ethana2> in their home, that tells them which one to use
[21:43] <flipstar> okay..this is probably more advanced
[21:43] <ethana2> it's not as elegant as it could be, that is.. each user has to use the same seat
[21:44] <ethana2> or they're not placed properly
[21:44] <ethana2> but we haven't had any issues
[21:56] <ethana2> how are updates liking us all today?
[21:56] <ethana2> safe?
[21:57] <flipstar> more or less
[21:57] <ethana2> more or less?
[21:57] <ethana2> well, as long as nothing completely explodes
[21:57] <ethana2> and leaves me with my livecd to clean it up
[21:57] <ethana2> ..it's good enough for me, i guess
[21:58] <flipstar> at least i didnt had critical issues
[21:59] <Splex> I am unable to load thunderbird, not sure why... anyone else having this trouble?
[22:00] <Splex> When i run 'thunderbird' from console, nothing happens, no errors are shown, no window comes up
[22:01] <flipstar> hm there were no changes to thunderbird in the last few weeks..
[22:01] <Splex> Yeah I know,  it makes no sense
[22:01] <Splex> it was working yesterday
[22:01] <flipstar> just try reinstalling ..
[22:01] <Splex> i did twice
[22:02] <flipstar> you probably didnt changed any ?
[22:02] <Niklas_E> is there any fix for /dev/null device? it makes the login go crazy
[22:02] <Splex> and i tried moving my ~/.mozilla-thunderbird dir
[22:02] <Splex> nothing comes up
[22:02] <flipstar> Niklas_E: what do you mean ?
[22:02] <Splex> im not sure where to check for any logs/errors for that prog.
[22:02] <flipstar> Splex: try backup all you settings then purge it and reinstall ..
[22:03] <Splex> what do you mean by purge?
[22:03] <Niklas_E> well, when I login (as my normal user, in terminal) it says something about /dev/null, and repeating that and it goes away if I do chmod o+rw /dev/null
[22:04] <Splex> 'mark for complete removal' ?
[22:04] <flipstar> Splex: sudo apt-get purge.. or sudo apt-get remove --purge
[22:04] <flipstar> yep
[22:04] <Niklas_E> the null is only crw-rw----
[22:04] <kumarphilly> whens the beta suppose to be out?
[22:04] <flipstar> two days
[22:04] <kumarphilly> nice
[22:04] <flipstar> testing isos are already out
[22:05] <kumarphilly> alpha users wont have to do anything
[22:05] <kumarphilly> correct
[22:05] <kumarphilly> ?
[22:05] <flipstar> alpha isnt beta..so we have to update..
[22:05] <kumarphilly> will i have to redownload an iso
[22:05] <kumarphilly> and install it
[22:06] <kumarphilly> or distribution upgrade?
[22:06] <Splex> flipstar:  I just purged it, and installed again.   Same problem =/
[22:06] <flipstar> wired thing
[22:06] <flipstar> kumarphilly: just update as usual
[22:06] <kumarphilly> ah
[22:07] <kumarphilly> and at final release
[22:07] <kumarphilly> smae thing?
[22:07] <protocol1> when does hardy release?
[22:07] <flipstar> !final
[22:07] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[22:07] <flipstar> yep
[22:07] <flipstar> protocol1: on 8.04 ..
[22:07] <protocol1> flipstar, yeah
[22:08] <kumarphilly> thanks
[22:08] <kumarphilly> anyone use hosting serce
[22:08] <protocol1> flipstar, April?
[22:08] <flipstar> yep,april
[22:08] <protocol1> cool
[22:08] <flipstar> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule for details
[22:09] <kumarphilly> does anyone know a good hosting servicwe
[22:11] <Niklas_E> where can I download the cd ?
[22:12] <flipstar> "the cd"..which cd..?
[22:12] <Niklas_E> 8.04
[22:12] <kumarphilly> like iso image to burn?
[22:12] <Niklas_E> dev, iso
[22:12] <kumarphilly> torrents!
[22:12] <Niklas_E> yeah
[22:12] <wurst> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:12] <flipstar> or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/
[22:13] <Niklas_E> thanks
[22:13] <kumarphilly> if you use http:/ftp to download it then get a eureopean server
[22:13] <kumarphilly> torrents only use if you have settings and know what your doing
[22:13] <kumarphilly> anyone notice that the main server was being as slow as hell
[22:14] <kumarphilly> i was installing azureus a few days ago
[22:14] <kumarphilly> and it was going 20 b/s
[22:14] <kumarphilly> im like screw this.... then i changed it to some randome one:-p
[22:14] <flipstar> i dont like azureus anyway
[22:14] <gregcha117> my sound isnt working anymore can anyone help?
[22:15] <Splex> what is the best/fastest torrent client for linux?
[22:15] <kumarphilly> speed all are same
[22:15] <kumarphilly> i use azreus
[22:15] <kumarphilly> ** azureus
[22:15] <Splex> ahh ok, yeah i do also
[22:15] <flipstar> no ..some support extra features..
[22:15] <kumarphilly> ah...
[22:15] <Splex> i use vuze
[22:16] <kumarphilly> my ISP blocks torretns
[22:16] <kumarphilly> so i have to edit ip tables
[22:16] <kumarphilly> :-(
[22:16] <flipstar> just change port and use encryption
[22:16] <Splex> wow, they block torrents??
[22:16] <flipstar> some isp just *****
[22:17] <kumarphilly> flipstar, nah that doesnt work..
[22:17] <kumarphilly> they block rsd or something..
[22:17] <flipstar> impossible
[22:17] <flipstar> if you use encryption..everything is encrypted
[22:18] <gregcha117> can anyone help me get my sound back?
[22:18] <spideylinux> gregcha117: what kernel are you running?
[22:19] <gregcha117> 2.6.24-12-386
[22:19] <crimsun> why are you running -386?
[22:20] <crimsun> (vice -generic)
[22:20] <gregcha117> it was the default entry when i updated
[22:20] <ethana2> *sigh*
[22:20] <spideylinux> gregcha117: try going back to 2.6.24-11, people are having problems with sound on -12
[22:20] <ethana2> no wait
[22:21] <ethana2> -12 had two releases
[22:21] <ethana2> the second one sound works fine
[22:21] <flipstar> try the generic one first..
[22:21] <ethana2> yeah
[22:21] <gregcha117> alright ill test out the generic one then
[22:21] <crimsun> ethana2: right, because -386 won't pull in l-u-m
[22:21] <gregcha117> k thanks ill try that
[22:21] <crimsun> alsa now sits in l-u-m and not in l-i
[22:21] <flipstar> l-u-m ?
[22:21] <flipstar> oO
[22:22] <crimsun> linux-ubuntu-modules
[22:22] <flipstar> oh
[22:28] <Splex> flipstar:  it was suggested to me that i try running strace thunderbird....  i am seeing a lot of 'No such file or directory' when it is trying to open libc.so.6
[22:28] <Splex> so, im thinking maybe what is in the title of this channel happened to me
[22:29] <flipstar> you still running an older vesion?
[22:31] <Splex> i ran all updates
[22:31] <Splex> i think it broke when i ran today's libc upgrade
[22:37] <K4k-work> Does anyone know about a problem with any of the updates for 8.04 breaking the network connection?
[22:37] <K4k-work> I have checked resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces and everything is set properly, however, ifconfig says that I don't have an IP
[22:37] <K4k-work> and I have tried restarting the network interface
[22:38] <Splex> k4k, what network device do you use?
[22:38] <Splex> I had that problem too
[22:38] <K4k-work> wired
[22:38] <K4k-work> it's built into my laptop
[22:38] <Splex> ohh, is it intel?
[22:38] <K4k-work> yes
[22:39] <Ward1983_> how's hardy these days? nothing for users yet i presume?
[22:39] <K4k-work> Splex: o, it's broadcom
[22:39] <K4k-work> sorry
[22:39] <K4k-work> brain fart
[22:39] <K4k-work> I have IPW wireless and broadcom wired
[22:39] <Splex> im using the ipw3945,  had troubles as soon as i updated acpi-support from 0.105 to 0.106
[22:40] <K4k-work> so just role back acpi-support then?
[22:40] <Splex> only have the problem when i run 2.6.24-12
[22:40] <Splex> when i run 2.6.22, seems to work fine
[22:40] <K4k-work> I had it with *-11 too
[22:40] <K4k-work> it doesn't matter which I boot to
[22:41] <K4k-work> it worked before I updated though with *-11
[22:41] <Splex> that is all you updated before it broke?
[22:41] <K4k-work> no, I just ran apt-get upgrade and then rebooted
[22:41] <K4k-work> it got like 300 something updates
[22:44] <raul> hallo pple i cant configure my radeon hd 2400 pro on hardy
[22:44] <raul> because i cant install ati drivers fglrx on hardy
[22:44] <Splex> k4k-work: do you know which intel module you use?
[22:45] <raul> because dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg cant configure the driver section
[22:45] <J-_> Is wireless broke?
[22:45] <K4k-work> Splex: for the wireless it's ipw3945 and for the wired it's a broadcom...something
[22:45] <raul> can anybody help me please?
[22:45] <Splex> J-:  which wireless do you use?
[22:45] <Ward1983_> how's hardy these days? nothing for users yet i presume?
[22:45] <raul> iwl3945 by the way\
[22:45] <J-_> Splex: how can I find out?
[22:45] <Splex> me too
[22:45] <raul> is newer
[22:45] <Splex> seems we are all having similar problem here
[22:46] <K4k-work> I'm currently trying to downgrade acpi-support but I can't seem to force version on it
[22:46] <K4k-work> is there a way to restore the version from the CD?
[22:46] <gregcha117> well restarting using the generic kernel didnt help my sound problems at all
[22:47] <J-_> can I go down a kernel version to see if wireless is still broke, or, will it not work like that?
[22:47] <raul> first of all.. just be sure to switch on the hardware button
[22:47] <raul> for you wireless
[22:47] <raul> your*
[22:47] <raul> however anyone willing to help on a radeon hd on brand new hardy xorg?
[22:48] <K4k-work> raul: is there just no fglrx package for hardy yet or something?
[22:48] <raul> is not a matter of fglrx.. but a matter of xorg
[22:48] <raul> i installed fglrx
[22:48] <K4k-work> ah
[22:48] <K4k-work> I have experience with fglrx, what do you need to know?
[22:49] <Splex> J-:  you can find what model by running 'lspci' in console
[22:49] <Ward1983_> please ignore me
[22:50] <K4k-work> Ward1983_: to answer you question you all but need to read everything we're saying. YMMV
[22:50] <Splex> J-: when i run 2.6.22-14 my wireless works, if i run 2.6.24-12, then it doesn't work...  but i think the problem is related to acpi-support 0.106
[22:51] <Ward1983_> K4k-work, i qssume people without trouble dont come here :)
[22:51] <Pici> Splex: What arch are you running in .24?
[22:51] <Ward1983_> doesnt mean they dont exist
[22:51] <Splex> before i updated from 0.105 to 0.106, wireless was fine
[22:51] <K4k-work> Ward1983_: more then likely
[22:51] <Splex> right when i updated that package, wireless went offline
[22:51] <Pici> Make sure you're on -generic not -i386
[22:51] <K4k-work> Ward1983_: you could always try it. It seems to work pretty well, the only gripe I have is this network being broken at the moment
[22:51] <K4k-work> it seems to be a lot faster then Gutsy
[22:52] <J-_> Splex: my wireless card is an Intel Prop/ Wireless 3945ABG
[22:52] <J-_> pro*
[22:52] <Splex> and every time i start, i get : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60104/
[22:53] <Splex> J-: same as me, except mine is not pro
[22:53] <Ward1983_> i was thinking of trying it for my little home server (unimported server)
[22:53] <Ward1983_> unimporTANT server
[22:53] <J-_> hmm
[22:53] <Splex> for some reason, radio frequency kill switch is on... but i don't have any physical 'switch' on my notebook
[22:53] <K4k-work> Ward1983_: for a server application I would recommend sticking with the current stable dist
[22:53] <J-_> my wireless switch is always on
[22:54] <Ward1983_> K4k-work, but its not an important server, its just to fool around and try out stuff
[22:54] <K4k-work> Then this might be what you want
[22:54] <Splex> J:  i think this is nothing to do with the actual switch... it is some sort of hw thing
[22:54] <K4k-work> it's just a matter of what you're looking for
[22:54] <J-_> Splex: yep
[22:54] <Ward1983_> this way i could do two things at the same time
[22:54] <Ward1983_> test the new ubuntu, and setup my little server
[22:54] <J-_> Splex: have you tried updating today?
[22:55] <Splex> yes, i am totally up-to-date
[22:55] <J-_> so no new updates have been released today?
[22:55] <J-_> hmm
[22:55] <Splex> earlier today there were some updates
[22:55] <K4k-work> Actually, has the beta been released publicly yet?
[22:55] <Splex> with libc6
[22:55] <K4k-work> I see that the beta freeze happened a few days ago
[22:56] <J-_> I wonder if that aspci update messed up the laptop, not yesterday, but day before
[22:56] <flipstar> K4k-work: only for testing yet
[22:56] <Splex> that is when i hate the problem
[22:56] <J-_> hmmm
[22:56] <Splex> there was a time where i updated one thing, it was acpi-support
[22:56] <Splex> and right after the update finished, my wireless stopped working
[22:56] <K4k-work> hm...2 days...maybe I can live without my laptop till then
[22:56] <J-_> I'm gonna go update, there might be a fix, brb
[22:57] <Ward1983_> K4k-work, you should get a spare (old second hand) laptop if you got the money :)
[22:57] <K4k-work> Ward1983_: negative
[22:58] <K4k-work> ...I'm in college
[22:58] <K4k-work> since when do college kids have money
[22:58] <Ward1983_> K4k-work, im unemployed, even worse
[22:58] <K4k-work> ouch
[22:59] <Ward1983_> doing a course though
[22:59] <Ward1983_> CCNA 1 and 2 included, some server stuff, hardware, ...
[23:00] <Ward1983_> every damn day for 4 months, and then 2 months "stage" dunno the correct term in english, but its working in a company for free to get experience in the field
[23:06] <K4k-work> hm...I'm curious, maybe the driver didn't stay put when I updated the kernel...I'm going to see if I can't find a deb package for my broadcom driver'
[23:08] <K4k-work> gah, bugger I guess I'll just live with it till Thursday
[23:09] <Arand> does anybody know what fglrx vresion that's durrently supplied by jockey?
[23:09] <Arand> I am not really sure what the version numbers actually mean
[23:10] <Arand> there's a 8-3 something at the end, does that imply that it is indeed v. 8.3 that's in the repos?
[23:10] <J-_> hmm, wireless is still broke
[23:10] <thompa> does anyone know how to fix the sound in ubuntu 64 I am 2.6.24-11-generic
[23:11] <thompa> i mean no sound card issue
[23:12] <Arand> wasn't that due to kernel? tried *.12 ?
[23:12] <thompa> Arand: that the one that dont work here
[23:12] <J-_> will backing down a kernel get wireless working for now?
[23:12] <thompa> yes
[23:13] <J-_> k
[23:13]  * J-_ tries
[23:13] <thompa> -11 if its atheros
[23:13] <thompa> maybe worked for me
[23:13] <J-_> I'm on an Intel hehe
[23:13]  * J-_ tries
[23:13] <thompa> there is something wrong with the acpi in acer plastic box
[23:14] <thompa> like there is no acpi
[23:15] <Arand> I heard there was a lot of dabbling in the acpi lately, my network was broken just recently for example, so that might be it...
[23:15] <thompa> i think there are two bugs on the atheros wireless and it broke after something about backporting acer_acpi
[23:16] <mithraic> Do I have any reason to believe that a HH install will fix my Xorg, open-source ATI driver, and xrandr so that rotating my display doesn't freeze the machine?
[23:16] <thompa> what is the new module for acer_acpi?
[23:17] <Flannel> mithraic: Its got an updated xorg.  So possibly.  You could try a liveCD (although failure on liveCD isn't sufficient to mandate failure on install)
[23:18] <Splex> J-_: my ipw3945 works in 2.6.22-14 with all the current updates installed.
[23:19] <mithraic> It's too bad there's no straightforward way to downgrade Hardy to Gutsy (or is there?)
[23:19] <Splex> seems things broke with acpi-support package 0.106, im not sure what exactly....
[23:19] <Flannel> mithraic: no, downgrading is a messy process (although not technically impossible)
[23:19] <mithraic> Thanks, Flannel.
[23:20] <mithraic> This is a pretty expendable machine (basically just runs a VNC client), so I'll just upgrade and see what happens. :)
[23:21] <Flannel> mithraic: that's the spirit ;)
[23:21] <alex_mayorga> savvas: ping
[23:22] <J-_> weird, I only kernel's -8 and -12 I think it was
[23:22] <J-_> wireless no workie, either.
[23:22] <J-_> =S
[23:22] <mithraic> Incidentally, running Synergy + VNC is a lovely combo. Gives me an extended desktop from machine 1 (a laptop, which otherwise supports only 1 external display), but if I keep moving left, synergy kicks in and I'm controlling machine 2!
[23:22] <Splex> J-_ which arch?
[23:23] <J-_> x86
[23:24] <J-_> I hope my router isn't borked
[23:31] <J-_> it's weird, lsat night my wireless, just stopped working. I'm not sure if it was from an update or not
[23:31] <flipstar> probably yes
[23:33] <chaosrl> does anyone know how to configure sound in hardy?
[23:33] <Dr_willis> I thought it was the same as in gutsy - the alsa tools.
[23:34] <chaosrl> mm, i just updated from gutsy and when i try to open the volume control, i get "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
[23:34] <Arand> has anybody experienced mounted media permissions not working, as decribed in Bug #198403
[23:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198403 in ubuntu "file permissions not working for mounted media" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198403
[23:35] <J-_> I was having problems before, but I think I fixed them. Although, I didn't know what I was doing.
[23:36] <J-_> with the mounted midea issue
[23:36] <J-_> media*
[23:36] <Raspberry> hmm
[23:37] <Raspberry> the inconsistancies with dual displays and gdm / X has really gotta get fixed
[23:37] <Raspberry> I need to go find a bug on this or file it
[23:38] <Raspberry> when I can CTRL+ALT+BKSP and get the display to pop up on both monitors and then do it again and only get it on one... then do it again and only get it on 1 then do it again and get it on both and do it again and get it on both... and then restart and it works on both... it just makes no sense
[23:39] <Arand> The media permissions thing has folowed me all through alpha 4-6 and is still there, I'm getting a bit worried...
[23:42] <J-_> Arand: I'd turn my external drive on, it worked, and wouldn't. Then wanted to change permissions so I right clicked /media/disk as root in nautilus, fooled around with the gui and figured out permissions whereas I could only write as root, but when copying the file to my desktop, it wa sstill protected.   And I lefti t like that.
[23:45] <Arand> Mo problem is with an internal, ntfs partition...
[23:46] <J-_> ah
[23:46] <Arand> And the permissions when i click properties or do a "ls -l" clearly shows up as non-writable for non-root users, but yet I can write all I want as non-root!
[23:47] <Dr_willis> Im thinking thats becuase the ntfs-3g drivers are set to allow it that way.
[23:47] <Dr_willis> You normally dont set permissions on the mountpoint for ntfs/vfat filesystems.
[23:48] <J-_> I got rid of ntfs as fast as I could. I don't know much about the filesystem, but I know it's in relation to windows. And there's only 1 Vistabox in this house, and 3 Linux, 1 Linux server here. The Vistabox isn't mine though =)
[23:49] <Arand> hmm, I've set permissions in fstab... That worked just fine in Gutsy.
[23:50] <J-_> Yeah I did that by following a tutorial a while ago with my destop pc before getting this laptop, and I didn't like how I did it
[23:50] <Dr_willis> I rarely mess with ntfs-3g much. So i havent checked its docs.
[23:50] <Arand> ntfs is beacause I use XP as main system.
[23:50] <Dr_willis> you could always just not automount the ntfs filesystems, that way only root can mount them.
[23:51] <J-_> I like sudoing into a drive to remove, or add anything to it. Reading as user.
[23:51] <Arand> But it worked fine to do this in Gutsy! That's what's bothering me, it should work in hardy to in my opinion...
[23:53] <shirish> guys after today's updates, my power-manager doesn't function
[23:54] <J-_> I wish WPA2 worked on my router/ Hardy, but I haven't got it to work so I use WPA. Maybe I'm having these problems because someone is cracking the connection, I don't know. Like last night before changing the password, I didn;t have a secure router until I changed the password. Before when it worked it was always secure.
[23:54] <Arand> shirish: in what way
[23:55] <shirish> Arand: I have gnome-power-preferences set up as Put display to sleep when inactive for more than 2 minutes
[23:55] <shirish> its been 5 hours & it still hasn't put the display to sleep :(
[23:56] <Dr_willis> shirish,  perhaos its using the webcam to see that you are watching it.... (kidding!)
[23:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:56] <shirish> :)
[23:56] <RainCT> hey
[23:56] <Arand> shirish: Hum... for me it seems to think the computer is "idle" all the time, and runs on constant low brightness.
[23:57] <Arand> mebbe something's up with power-m
[23:57] <RainCT> I've just upgraded to Hardy and I can't get my 3G modem to work anymore (I'm on another PC with Gutsy right now)...
[23:57] <RainCT> any idea?
[23:57] <Arand> I'm going to check if I get any low-battery messages...
[23:58] <shirish> Arand: I'm on a desktop
[23:58] <Arand> aha...
[23:59] <shirish> somebody filed that bug about 12 hours ago
[23:59] <shirish> Bug #203513
[23:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203513 in gnome-power-manager "display doesn't go to sleep after today's gnome-power-manager update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203513