[00:03] <desertc> eleftherios: I use it for Voice over IP calls all the time
[00:03] <eleftherios> yes, that's always an option 
[00:03] <desertc> As long as you are in an area where you can get WiFi access.  For me that's all the time, except when I'm driving.  Plus, the cellular communication is proprietary, not an open protocol.
[00:06] <eleftherios> desertc: I can't expect to have WiFi access most of the time although I live in London
[00:06] <eleftherios> most networks are locked when you do find them
[00:06] <eleftherios> It is a far cry from a real phone that runs ubuntu
[00:06] <eleftherios> :-)
[00:07] <eleftherios> I will try to make my own, I have seen other people doing it
[00:07] <desertc> I spend 95% of my time either at home or at the office.  It's just the 5% of the time I that I need to figure out, but at least it's all open protocols.
[00:07] <desertc> Oh, for sure.  Sign me up to order the first Ubuntu phone.
[00:08] <desertc> Just saying, if you're looking for an iPhone alternative, then check out the N800
[00:14] <eleftherios> desertc: ok, you will be the third person to have one; I will notify you as soon as I have more than two phones available :-)
[00:14] <eleftherios> It will be hand made if you don't mind
[00:15] <desertc> from cardboard?  ;-)
[00:15] <eleftherios> I'll see
[00:16] <eleftherios> better materials, have a bit of faith :-)
[00:17] <eleftherios> if that VIA mobile ITX board was available, it would have been a much easiertask to have a ubuntu phone
[00:17] <eleftherios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xog3NgfYetQ&feature=related
[00:19] <desertc> Nice - I was looking at some other tiny linux boards this weekend, too, running ARM though
[00:20] <desertc> That's the future for Linux, I think -- open spec hardware.
[00:20] <eleftherios> desertc: but having x86 would make things a lot easier 
[00:20] <desertc> I agree - for portability... but x86 has a number of drawbacks.  Maybe it's time to move to greener pastures.
[00:21] <desertc> With Linux's cross-platform portability, then it might finally be possible to move away from the legacy x86 requirements.
[00:22] <eleftherios> desertc: as long as it dominates the desktop and the server, the convenience to have it on the mobile outweights a lot of its drawbacks one would think
[00:22] <eleftherios> the majority of linux developers are on x86 architectures after all 
[00:22] <eleftherios> I don't know, I am not advocating x86 
[00:23] <desertc> Yes, but their applications can largely be ported to other platforms which also run Linux
[00:23] <eleftherios> but there is a matter of convenience there for sure
[00:23] <eleftherios> yes, that's true
[00:23] <desertc> For example, the ARM processor in the N800 is not much of a hurdle to port common linux desktop applications.
[00:24] <desertc> The hardware interface is much more of a challenge (can the application be used with the control pad rather than the keyboard and mouse)
[00:24] <eleftherios> hm
[00:25] <desertc> Did I mention you should get an N800 / N810 ?  ;)
[00:25] <eleftherios> I will make my own ubuntu phone :-)
[00:25] <eleftherios> it would be a good weekend project
[00:25] <eleftherios> for many weekends!
[00:26] <desertc> Okay, okay, I'll still buy your phone anyway.  :)  You can use the money to buy a N800 for $200 or so
[00:26] <eleftherios> ha ha
[00:26] <eleftherios> is there a library for touch screens? like cocoa touch?
[00:27] <desertc> You can ask in #maemo - the developers are super friendly
[00:27] <desertc> I just loaded Ur-Quan Masters for fun on this N800
[00:28] <desertc> That's not some simple application.
[00:28] <desertc> The port looks awesome
[00:33] <elefther`> oops, got disconected
[00:35] <eleftherios> desertc: thanks
[03:03] <bspencer_> if I have a meta package, how can I see what sub-packages are included in it, or it depends on?
[03:04] <bspencer_> Correct answer include:    apt-cache depends <pkg>
[03:04] <bspencer_> thx bspencer , you're a genius
[05:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <lool> bspencer_:  :)
[13:38] <cgregan> Hello, There seems to be a fair amount of overlap in some of these rooms, so I apologize to those that have seen this three time. :-) I just joined Canonical as Mobile QA Engineer and wanted to introduce myself to the community members. If you have any questions, or there is something I can do to improve the relationship between the community and Canonical, please do not hesitate to ask. Thanks
[13:52]  * dholbach high-fives cgregan :)
[13:53] <dholbach> cgregan: you could probably send a mail to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile 
[13:59] <cgregan> dholbach: Good idea, thanks
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[21:07] <GrueMaster> Quick meeting.
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[21:07] <davidm> Just a quick test of the mootbot function 
[21:08] <GrueMaster> ah
[21:08] <The_PHP_Jedi> hehe, nice.
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[21:15] <davidm> lool, it's working again :-)
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