| Fujitsu | \sh_away: Through the `Remove linked CVE' or similar link. | 00:03 |
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| Legendario | LaserJock, how do i check for it? If i say it is a python software, it is unlikely to use it. Am I right? | 00:07 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 00:07 |
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| emgent | heya people | 00:54 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 00:57 | |
| * RAOF shores | 00:58 | |
| PMantis | Hi again guys. I hope someone new will read this and be able to help. I setup my own repository, and apt-get update is complaining it can't download my Release file. Apache logs show a 304 error (not changed). Huh? even if I 'touch' the file, add a package, run apt-ftparchive, etc... same error. I'm confused. | 01:04 |
| PMantis | Ok, more news. if I delete the Release.gpg all works, except it's not a secure apt repository. | 01:10 |
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| ethana2 | Is tremulous 1.1.1 in repos? | 02:58 |
| ethana2 | for Ubuntu Hardy? | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | ethana2: packages.ubuntu.com would tell you that | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | and no, it is now | 02:59 |
| ethana2 | thanks | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | er, not | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | looks like 1.1.0 | 02:59 |
| ethana2 | 1.1.0 is not release quality | 02:59 |
| ethana2 | ...but 1.2 is nearly mythical | 02:59 |
| ethana2 | the trem folks put together some good stuff but they're disorganized as heck | 03:00 |
| ethana2 | there's a backport at.... | 03:00 |
| ethana2 | http://tremulous.tjw.org/backport/linux/ | 03:00 |
| ethana2 | it needs to replace 1.1 in repos, if possible | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | ethana2: we're in Feature Freeze, we would have to have an exception filed | 03:01 |
| ethana2 | oh | 03:01 |
| ethana2 | *sigh* | 03:01 |
| ethana2 | wait, they freeze /universe/ repos?? | 03:01 |
| ethana2 | is this why pidgin's been like 4 releases old for the past.... | 03:02 |
| RAOF | No; pidgin is in main. | 03:02 |
| ethana2 | oh that's right | 03:02 |
| ethana2 | forgot about that | 03:02 |
| ScottK | Debian doesn't have it either, so it'd have to be packaged by someone: http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tremulous.html | 03:02 |
| RAOF | Also, just because it's in Universe doesn't mean its not supported. We still want to stabilise! | 03:02 |
| ethana2 | right | 03:02 |
| ethana2 | i'll ask the trem folks a quick question then | 03:02 |
| RAOF | Has anyone else seen build warning from dpkg-shlibdeps when building something against libgtk-x11? | 03:03 |
| RAOF | s/warning/warnings/ | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: better than that. it's in multiverse. | 03:03 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: I'm torn about trying for a Gnome Do FFe. On the one hand, the new version is *a lot* more useful. On the other, there's a lot of changes :/ | 03:04 |
| RAOF | It also handles errors in plugins better... | 03:05 |
| RAOF | ...and not many people use it yet... | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: please stick it in a ppa somewhere | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | i'd like to see it in | 03:06 |
| RAOF | Ok. | 03:06 |
| RAOF | Repeat after me: we check it builds *before* uploading to PPA :/ | 03:10 |
| ethana2 | yeah | 03:10 |
| ethana2 | like, say... libc | 03:10 |
| RAOF | ethana2: Oh, that built just fine. | 03:10 |
| ethana2 | oh yeah | 03:10 |
| ethana2 | compiler flags | 03:10 |
| RAOF | It would have been _much_ better if it had simply FTBFS :) | 03:11 |
| ethana2 | FTBFS? | 03:11 |
| RAOF | Failed To Build From Source | 03:11 |
| ethana2 | ah | 03:11 |
| ethana2 | so it threw no errors | 03:11 |
| RAOF | AKA: you suck. | 03:11 |
| RAOF | Indeed. It threw no errors. And I think other packages would have built against it properly... just not run. | 03:12 |
| ethana2 | interesting | 03:12 |
| RAOF | And for added fun, the compile flags aren't set in a pbulider environment. | 03:12 |
| ethana2 | Hmm... | 03:15 |
| ethana2 | Is there anyway I can set my core OS and utils to stable repos... | 03:16 |
| ethana2 | and use beta-stability repos for userland? | 03:16 |
| ethana2 | ...and hardware drivers? | 03:16 |
| RAOF | No. | 03:17 |
| RAOF | Not really. | 03:17 |
| ScottK2 | ethana2: This is why we have backports. So that you can get newer apps built for the stable release. | 03:19 |
| * RAOF goes to fill out some FFe paperwork. | 03:24 | |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: The new Do is now in the do-core PPA, if you're interested (https://edge.launchpad.net/~do-core/+archive). amd64 has built already, i386 is yet to build. | 03:27 |
| ethana2 | oh wait, yeah..... | 03:27 |
| ethana2 | ScottK2: I had all the way up to proposed updates enabled | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: sounds like i need to abuse power then. | 03:28 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: Eh. PPA has become *fast* to build (so fast that I frequently get clock-skew on my nouveau builds). | 03:28 |
| ethana2 | RAOF: what percent of their current market would canonical lose by ditchind i386 - i586? | 03:28 |
| RAOF | ethana2: Absolutely no idea. We probably wouldn't gain much by ditching < pentium pro, though. | 03:29 |
| ScottK2 | Hobbsee: Would you lease ack Bug #203332 | 03:30 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 203332 in claws-mail-extra-plugins "[FFe] claws-mail 3.3.1-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203332 | 03:30 |
| ethana2 | MMX? | 03:30 |
| ethana2 | RAOF: half the packages already need i686 or greater in repos | 03:30 |
| RAOF | ethana2: Code which benefits from SIMD generally already has it; it's also difficult for the compiler to dynamically do SMID. | 03:31 |
| StevenK | Screaming Cindy is *hard*. | 03:31 |
| RAOF | ethana2: Alternatively, you could join the x86-64 self-flagellation society. | 03:31 |
| ethana2 | Hmm... I guess what I mean to say is that for all practical purposes, desktop ubuntu requires an i686 or greater | 03:31 |
| StevenK | Usually it involves register brutalisation | 03:31 |
| ethana2 | ...so officially supporting anything less is less productive than supporting ppc | 03:32 |
| RAOF | But officially *breaking* < i686 gets you practically nothing, and breaks unofficial stuff :) | 03:33 |
| StevenK | I seriously doubt "half the packages already need i686 or greater in repos | 03:33 |
| ethana2 | libc, all the codecs.... | 03:33 |
| ethana2 | oh, nevermind | 03:33 |
| RAOF | ethana2: Really? | 03:33 |
| StevenK | libc6 is not i686 optimised. | 03:33 |
| ethana2 | they compile a version for i686 though | 03:33 |
| StevenK | And? | 03:33 |
| ethana2 | i guess my final proposal is that the number of people.... | 03:33 |
| StevenK | The default libc isn't i686 optimised | 03:34 |
| RAOF | I mean, we have libc6-686, and all the (sane) codecs use liboil which is a bunch of dynamically called SMID code. | 03:34 |
| ethana2 | running ubuntu on pre PII CPU's should be gathered | 03:34 |
| ethana2 | ...and then we should have a look at them | 03:34 |
| RAOF | (By "sane" I mean "gstreamer") | 03:34 |
| ethana2 | liboil sounds like it could be handy on the ps3 | 03:35 |
| RAOF | Quite possibly. | 03:35 |
| ethana2 | dynamically calling alternate code to run on multiple ISAs | 03:35 |
| ethana2 | ...that's... that's brilliant for the Cell | 03:35 |
| RAOF | You mean, SPUs, right? | 03:35 |
| ethana2 | yes | 03:35 |
| ScottK2 | Hobbsee: Thanks. | 03:35 |
| RAOF | Anyway. I want to make Do rock in Hardy, and towards that end... | 03:36 |
| * RAOF goes off to read FFe again. | 03:36 | |
| Hobbsee | ScottK2: y/w | 03:36 |
| ethana2 | If a package is low enough in stability or has too many bugs | 03:39 |
| ethana2 | does it get booted from universe to multiverse? | 03:39 |
| emgent | heya people | 03:39 |
| ethana2 | emgent: heya | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | ethana2: no, it's free vs non-free | 03:40 |
| RAOF | ethana2: No. Multiverse is only for non-free code. If it's too buggy, it just gets dropped. | 03:40 |
| ethana2 | oh | 03:40 |
| ethana2 | *sigh* | 03:40 |
| ethana2 | would it be blasphemy to suggest dropping tremulous? | 03:41 |
| ethana2 | emgent: you a web designer? | 03:42 |
| ethana2 | developer* | 03:43 |
| ScottK2 | ethana2: What would be your rationale? | 03:43 |
| ScottK2 | Note: we have lots of buggy stuff. Usually it's just abandoned with no upstream buggy stuff so there's no hope of improvement that gets removed. | 03:44 |
| ethana2 | ScottK2: well... many outstanding and obvious bugs.. everybody who wants a release quality version has to pick between 1.1 and a feature backport | 03:44 |
| ScottK2 | Help us get 1.1 then. | 03:45 |
| ethana2 | 1.1 is in repos | 03:45 |
| ScottK2 | Ah. | 03:45 |
| ethana2 | 1.1 is not release quality | 03:45 |
| ScottK2 | Oh. | 03:45 |
| ScottK2 | So help us get whatever is the right version then. | 03:45 |
| ethana2 | there is no right version | 03:45 |
| * ScottK2 needs to go clean the kitchen. Good night. | 03:45 | |
| ethana2 | 1.1 needs two bugfixes backported | 03:45 |
| * emgent upgrading devbox to hardy | 03:45 | |
| emgent | night ScottK2 | 03:45 |
| ethana2 | 'night | 03:45 |
| ScottK2 | ethana2: Then make a debdiff with the fixes and we'll get it uploaded. | 03:46 |
| ScottK2 | So we can shipped a working one. | 03:46 |
| ethana2 | ScottK2: time to figure out what the heck's going on | 03:46 |
| ethana2 | this should be fun for a non-coder | 03:46 |
| ethana2 | i'll do what i can. | 03:46 |
| ScottK2 | fair enough | 03:46 |
| ScottK2 | Good night really this time ... | 03:46 |
| ethana2 | yes | 03:46 |
| _MMA_ | ethana2: You're planning on getting a Tremulous SVN (or whatever) in the repos? | 03:49 |
| ethana2 | _MMA_: the trem folks are disorganized as heck | 03:50 |
| ethana2 | _MMA_: and basically what's in repos isn't good enough | 03:50 |
| ethana2 | they never took the time to make a solid stable release | 03:50 |
| ethana2 | so somebody needs to take 1.1 and backport a few major bugfixes | 03:50 |
| ethana2 | ...it's coded in C.. | 03:51 |
| ethana2 | You know, I don't think I'm going to be able to be that person | 03:51 |
| _MMA_ | ethana2: We need to sty close to what they have officially released or pull from whatever VCS they use. | 03:51 |
| ethana2 | unless there's no conflict in that code at all | 03:51 |
| ethana2 | i'll ask | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: why do you have 0 karma on that account? | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | https://edge.launchpad.net/~raof-ubuntu should be merged | 03:52 |
| ethana2 | guys, it's worse than i thought | 03:53 |
| ethana2 | anyone who uses a tremulous client that's not broken horribly | 03:53 |
| ethana2 | can't play on trem servers | 03:53 |
| ethana2 | or the majority of them at least | 03:53 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: !!! | 03:53 |
| _MMA_ | ethana2: Thats a problem of the Trem community really. | 03:53 |
| ethana2 | yes | 03:54 |
| _MMA_ | ethana2: We really just cant start throwing any old patch/mod into the package. tjw or otherwise. | 03:54 |
| ethana2 | they use svn, btw | 03:54 |
| ethana2 | yarrr | 03:54 |
| _MMA_ | Cool. | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: hm? | 03:56 |
| ethana2 | 1.1 is hopeless, investigating svn head | 03:56 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: I didn't know I had a duplicate launchpad account. It's now merged in. | 03:56 |
| _MMA_ | ethana2: The problem is the community upgrades their servers with all kinds of stuff and breaks the repo packages. Run a server from the repo packages with the same client ant you're fine. | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: :) | 03:56 |
| ethana2 | _MMA_: yeah | 03:57 |
| _MMA_ | ethana2: And I would further say this work should be coordinated with the debian-games team which absorbed the Ubuntu one. AFAIK. | 03:57 |
| ethana2 | Is there a way to have a package that doesn't exist in stable repos? | 03:57 |
| ethana2 | ..but does in backports | 03:58 |
| ethana2 | ..or proposed? | 03:58 |
| _MMA_ | ethana2: PPA | 03:58 |
| ethana2 | sorry, what's PPA again, i forgot | 03:58 |
| _MMA_ | But that unofficial and doesnt really benefit all. | 03:58 |
| _MMA_ | Personal Package Archive | 03:59 |
| ethana2 | ah | 03:59 |
| _MMA_ | I watch the Trem community close and regardless of how slow they are going they are active. It's best to wait for a official release. Or at lease a stable SVN revision that's acceptability to Debian as well. | 04:01 |
| ethana2 | hmm | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: is there any point in the plugins if i don't use rhythmbox or amarok? | 04:04 |
| ethana2 | Well, 1.2 should be out sometime during the Year of the Linux Desktop | 04:04 |
| ethana2 | with all Ubuntu is doing, that should be around 2009 | 04:04 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: _Yes_. There's a shiny new launchpad plugin, the OpenSearch plugin for web searching, and a bunch of other plugins. | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: right, thought so | 04:06 |
| RAOF | The rhythmbox & amarok plugins are separated out into different packages because Do doesn't yet have the ability to selectively disable plugins. | 04:06 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: What *do* you use on the music front? | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: exaile | 04:07 |
| RAOF | Ah, right. | 04:08 |
| _MMA_ | Hobbsee: Are you using it in Hardy? With the EQ? I get terrible static with any gstreamer app that uses the EQ. :-/ | 04:09 |
| * StevenK is waiting for Exaile to get better | 04:10 | |
| StevenK | But it shows a lot of promise | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | _MMA_: yes, and i'm not sure on the eq | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | i haven't ntoiced static | 04:11 |
| _MMA_ | k | 04:11 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: bug #203415 is available for your delectation. | 04:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 203415 in gnome-do "FFe request: Gnome-Do 0.4.0.1" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203415 | 04:12 |
| _MMA_ | StevenK: It's really good now but I am moving away from gstreamer apps. Something about sound in gstreamer just doesnt sound, right. | 04:13 |
| * StevenK just uses Quod Libet | 04:13 | |
| * RAOF uses Rhythbox. | 04:13 | |
| RAOF | And will try out banshee-1 anytime now... | 04:13 |
| _MMA_ | Audacious here now. :P | 04:14 |
| ethana2 | _MMA_: trem is short on manpower.. all the people they attract are game hackers these days | 04:15 |
| ethana2 | they don't want more of them, but they need more core devs | 04:15 |
| ethana2 | it's suffocating | 04:15 |
| ethana2 | hackers, hackers, everywhere... and not a patch to sync | 04:15 |
| * StevenK has a plot to re-evaluate music players after Hardy | 04:15 | |
| _MMA_ | ethana2: Sure. | 04:15 |
| StevenK | I'm not sure I like my music player taking up 600Mb | 04:16 |
| _MMA_ | StevenK: Wow. And that is? | 04:16 |
| StevenK | Well, 567MB virtual, 63MB resident | 04:16 |
| StevenK | Quod Libet | 04:16 |
| RAOF | Not so bad, then. | 04:17 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. | 04:17 |
| _MMA_ | StevenK: Large collection? | 04:17 |
| StevenK | _MMA_: ~ 1,400 songs | 04:17 |
| RAOF | StevenK: Rythmbox manages 922Mb virt here (and 72Mb resident, with 23Mb shared) | 04:17 |
| StevenK | Yummy | 04:18 |
| RAOF | Part of that's the 64bit tax, of course. | 04:18 |
| StevenK | Mmmmm, so is mine. | 04:18 |
| RAOF | Heh. OK :) | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | ah, there we go. it's found the update now | 04:19 |
| * Hobbsee loves buildd admin powers | 04:19 | |
| * StevenK tries to translate Amaranth's quit message | 04:44 | |
| Amaranth | and no eggs | 04:44 |
| StevenK | I thought so | 04:44 |
| StevenK | Tool - Die Eier Von Satan.mp3 | 04:44 |
| Amaranth | it's from a tool song | 04:44 |
| Amaranth | :D | 04:44 |
| * StevenK grins and high fives Amaranth | 04:45 | |
| * StevenK queues it | 04:46 | |
| RAOF | Satan's Eggs? | 04:47 |
| StevenK | RAOF: Right. | 04:47 |
| StevenK | Well, literally, "The Eggs of Satan" | 04:47 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: it's a really evil sounding song but it's just a recipe for hash cookies in german | 04:47 |
| StevenK | That doesn't include eggs | 04:48 |
| Amaranth | i mean, if you didn't know what they were saying it sounds like a song about devil worship or something :P | 04:48 |
| RAOF | Heh. | 04:48 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: And for your further enjoyment, bug #203420 | 04:48 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 203420 in do-plugins "FFe request: do-plugins 0.4.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203420 | 04:49 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: holy crap, airlied has drm multi-master support working | 04:57 |
| Amaranth | and kernel modesetting | 04:57 |
| RAOF | Multi-master? | 04:57 |
| Amaranth | so user switching with no flicker and compiz on two users | 04:57 |
| RAOF | Yay! Suspend on nouveau creeps ever closer! | 04:57 |
| Amaranth | multi-master, multiple X servers with access to the drm | 04:57 |
| RAOF | Awesome. | 04:58 |
| RAOF | It seems compiz may have spawned a huge make-X-awesome push. | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: that's what i hoped would happen :) | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | and the thing i argued for in pushing to enable it by default in gutsy :P | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | we enabled it so everyone else had to to match features and now a bunch of people are working to make it suck less | 04:59 |
| RAOF | And it'll only take ~2 releases. | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | hehe, yeah | 05:00 |
| RAOF | A year's turnaround from "_totally_ sucks" to "rock on" is pretty good :) | 05:00 |
| ethana2 | wait, so can both my users have 3d | 05:10 |
| ethana2 | ..my dual seat has both on one radeon card now | 05:10 |
| ethana2 | ..but it would be nice to have opengl before figuring out how to move one to my intel integrated | 05:11 |
| RAOF | ethana2: As long as you run git head of _everything_. Oh, and it's probably for intel only right now, although maybe it isn't. | 05:11 |
| ethana2 | so my /other/ dual seat may be able to start working with git drivers | 05:12 |
| ethana2 | *sigh* | 05:12 |
| ethana2 | i'm a glutton for punishment | 05:12 |
| ethana2 | i'd settle for getting this rig off of userful, it's not letting me do what I need to do | 05:12 |
| ethana2 | i should have no problem with opengl when each seat uses its own card, right? | 05:13 |
| ethana2 | without git cloning? | 05:14 |
| RAOF | As long as neither is using a blob, I think the answer is yes. | 05:14 |
| ethana2 | sweet | 05:14 |
| ethana2 | neither is, no nvidia here | 05:14 |
| ethana2 | it'd be awesome if canonical purchased userful and merged it with Screens and Graphics | 05:15 |
| ethana2 | ...while I'm dreaming, I'd like a CBE based tabletPC | 05:15 |
| tonyyarusso | And I'd like AMD to drop everything and write a functional driver for my graphics card, then release it under the GPL. | 05:18 |
| ethana2 | tonyyarusso: specs are great | 05:18 |
| StevenK | Free pipe dreams, news at 11 | 05:18 |
| tonyyarusso | ethana2: haven't done anything for me yet. | 05:18 |
| ethana2 | what time zone? | 05:18 |
| ethana2 | tonyyarusso: oh, they will | 05:18 |
| tonyyarusso | heh, when I buy a new computer maybe | 05:18 |
| ethana2 | tonyyarusso: as gallium stabilizes, you'll see some really exciting things | 05:19 |
| ethana2 | i still have a radeon 9200se | 05:19 |
| ethana2 | and a rage mobility | 05:19 |
| ethana2 | they're going to release old specs too | 05:19 |
| ethana2 | don't despair | 05:19 |
| tonyyarusso | ethana2: this is a Radeon Mobility X300, btw | 05:19 |
| ethana2 | then it's a matter of months | 05:19 |
| tonyyarusso | You think so? For full OSS 3D compositing support? | 05:20 |
| ethana2 | yes. | 05:20 |
| tonyyarusso | That'd be nice. | 05:21 |
| * tonyyarusso writes sped for Intrepid, assigns ethana2 ;) | 05:21 | |
| ethana2 | actually, i'm an idea guy | 05:22 |
| ethana2 | i like to know /exactly/ what's going on | 05:22 |
| ethana2 | ...maybe within a year i'll start coding stuff in C++ | 05:22 |
| ethana2 | ....but the current generation of GUI is not something i want to touch | 05:22 |
| dholbach | good morning | 05:49 |
| RAOF | ethana2: Eh. Just touch the bindings in sensible languages, then. Python, C#, Java, Boo, Nemerle, F#, haskell... | 05:49 |
| ethana2 | I'm not talking about languages | 05:51 |
| ethana2 | I'm saying the 'window' paradigm isn't something i want to touch | 05:51 |
| ethana2 | let me get you a link | 05:51 |
| ethana2 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=521131 | 05:52 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 521131 in general "Merge gnome panel and window decorator, reimplement standard window components and decorations as panel applets." [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] | 05:52 |
| RAOF | ethana2: Aaah. You'd prefer document-centric, ala Gnome 3? | 05:52 |
| ethana2 | That's what I want to code from | 05:52 |
| ethana2 | for* | 05:52 |
| ethana2 | if gnome3 can do what I want | 05:52 |
| ethana2 | exactly | 05:52 |
| ethana2 | then perhaps | 05:52 |
| RAOF | Dear nvidia: I hate you. | 05:52 |
| ethana2 | did you sign the petition to that effect? | 05:52 |
| Amaranth | ethana2: that's so crack | 05:53 |
| ethana2 | thanks. | 05:53 |
| ethana2 | i'll settle for nothing less | 05:53 |
| ethana2 | ..which is pretty much regardless of what 'so crack' means | 05:54 |
| ethana2 | ^_^ | 05:54 |
| Amaranth | ethana2: i imagine as soon as someone cares to look they'll close your bug as "total crack" | 05:55 |
| ethana2 | i've got several people who say otherwise | 05:55 |
| ethana2 | it's old though | 05:55 |
| ethana2 | that incarnation | 05:55 |
| ethana2 | since then i've added a window list that auto-expands to serve also as the window title bar applet | 05:55 |
| ethana2 | ..and made my ideas more similar to the current default ubuntu config | 05:56 |
| Amaranth | is "over my dead body" reason enough to vote down an idea or close a bug report? | 05:57 |
| Amaranth | basically "not going to happen dude" but the reason it's not going to happen is because i won't let it :P | 05:57 |
| ethana2 | the stuff of flame wars, that | 05:57 |
| ethana2 | it's all optional | 05:57 |
| RAOF | That's not a good excuse :) | 05:58 |
| ethana2 | if you want to keep /your/ gui exactly as it is now, fine | 05:58 |
| ethana2 | but i want what i want | 05:58 |
| ethana2 | and it's not windows, and it's not mac | 05:58 |
| StevenK | So does everyone else | 05:58 |
| Amaranth | ethana2: and i don't feel like writing the code for what you want | 05:58 |
| ethana2 | ok, that's fine | 05:58 |
| Amaranth | ethana2: so that stops your idea pretty dead there | 05:58 |
| ethana2 | if i must, i can hire my own team to do it | 05:58 |
| Amaranth | as a fork | 05:59 |
| ethana2 | $10,000 to give people a real glimpse of this idea? | 05:59 |
| ethana2 | yes, perhaps a fork | 05:59 |
| ethana2 | if it comes to it | 05:59 |
| ethana2 | and that's fine at first | 05:59 |
| Amaranth | "at first"? | 05:59 |
| ethana2 | yes. | 05:59 |
| RAOF | ethana2: So, the first thing I think of is that windows are actually quite reasonable objects: taking the compontents of the window and scattering them means you need to do more work to provide context for them. | 05:59 |
| Amaranth | it'll be "until the end of time" or "until pigs fly and you manage to kill my version" | 05:59 |
| ethana2 | *sigh* | 06:00 |
| ethana2 | ok, then on to /bringing/ macs into this | 06:00 |
| ethana2 | how hard is it for them to connect their menu bar with the app in focus in their mind? | 06:00 |
| Amaranth | don't bring macs into this, they do little right since OS X | 06:00 |
| ethana2 | they do a heck of a lot wrong | 06:00 |
| ethana2 | apple is evil | 06:00 |
| ethana2 | ..but i'm saying you could do many things with my idea | 06:00 |
| ethana2 | and people can get used to what they choose | 06:01 |
| Amaranth | very hard, that was the #1 thing that my grandparents and my younger cousin couldn't figure out | 06:01 |
| RAOF | Yeah, my partner too. | 06:01 |
| ethana2 | well alright | 06:01 |
| StevenK | The only reason OS X still does that is because it's historcial baggage. | 06:01 |
| Amaranth | well, that is "closing a window doesn't exit the application" | 06:01 |
| Amaranth | s/is/and/ | 06:01 |
| ethana2 | ok, yeah that's horrible | 06:01 |
| ethana2 | my menu applet would actually go in the window top panel | 06:01 |
| ethana2 | what we now call 'the title bar' | 06:01 |
| StevenK | And dear Steve isn't going to let go of it, I suspect. | 06:01 |
| * RAOF doesn't particularly mind "closing window doesn't exit the app", as long as it doesn't leak too much. | 06:02 | |
| Amaranth | StevenK: and what would they _put_ up there? :) | 06:02 |
| ethana2 | tbh I despise Steve | 06:02 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: it's really bad when safari is chewing CPU and doesn't stop until you exit it completely | 06:02 |
| ethana2 | Applications, Places, System, People | 06:02 |
| Amaranth | ah, gimmie | 06:02 |
| ethana2 | ...and that's why bringing them into it was a mistake | 06:02 |
| ethana2 | no, slimmer than gimmie | 06:02 |
| StevenK | Amaranth: A banner that projects what Apple products you need to buy | 06:02 |
| ethana2 | gimmie went a little over the top | 06:02 |
| ethana2 | just a little | 06:02 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: Right. So that's a safari bug, not necessarily a problem with the idea. Although the problem of the idea is that there'll _always_ be apps that do that. | 06:03 |
| Amaranth | ethana2: gimmie sounds much saner than your thing | 06:03 |
| ethana2 | ok, yes | 06:03 |
| ethana2 | if they're not going to do anything like that in gtk3, then what's the point of /having/ a gtk3? | 06:03 |
| ethana2 | marketing? | 06:03 |
| ethana2 | drastic? assuredly. | 06:03 |
| Flannel | ethana2: Version number bumping! | 06:03 |
| Amaranth | actually that is sort of the main reason | 06:04 |
| Amaranth | people want to see a 3.0, we'll give them a 3.0 :P | 06:04 |
| ethana2 | *sigh* | 06:04 |
| Amaranth | although since the hackfest this has been changed somewhat | 06:04 |
| ethana2 | version numbers mean little if anything to me | 06:04 |
| Amaranth | now the idea for 3.0 seems to be to seal up all widgets so you can't can't directly access their internals and release that as 3.0 (since it breaks ABI) | 06:04 |
| ethana2 | oh no! | 06:05 |
| ethana2 | *sob* | 06:05 |
| Amaranth | then in later releases they can use this new freedom to replace the guts of the widgets with something based on a scene graph | 06:05 |
| ethana2 | hmm | 06:05 |
| RAOF | And then: cake. | 06:06 |
| Amaranth | ethana2: being able to access the internals of a widget is _bad_ | 06:06 |
| ethana2 | ok | 06:06 |
| ethana2 | unless the assumed paradigm is bad | 06:06 |
| Amaranth | it means they can't change anything about how the widget works without breaking compatibility | 06:06 |
| ethana2 | ok, well we have the source | 06:06 |
| ethana2 | they can do what they please | 06:06 |
| Amaranth | they can't do your right right now, for example | 06:06 |
| Amaranth | because it would break compatibility | 06:06 |
| ethana2 | not with people literally /dead/ set against it | 06:06 |
| ethana2 | i'm aware i may have to fork /every/ gnome app out there | 06:07 |
| Amaranth | assuming they were smoking enough crack to think your idea was worth doing, that is | 06:07 |
| ethana2 | they don't have to be | 06:07 |
| Amaranth | ethana2: not every gnome app, every app in existence | 06:07 |
| Amaranth | if it runs on X you have to fork it and modify it | 06:07 |
| Amaranth | this is why big changes don't happen :P | 06:07 |
| ethana2 | if they don't integrate well, screw 'em | 06:07 |
| Amaranth | you can't make everyone change and apps that don't look...funny | 06:07 |
| ethana2 | they can load all that window decorator stuff | 06:07 |
| Amaranth | ethana2: and there go all your users | 06:07 |
| ethana2 | nope | 06:08 |
| ethana2 | Amaranth: this may be a faulty assumption.. | 06:08 |
| Amaranth | ethana2: you won't even be able to have firefox | 06:08 |
| ethana2 | but you didn't read every last line of that post | 06:08 |
| ethana2 | that can be modified too | 06:08 |
| Amaranth | but you aren't allowed to call the result firefox :) | 06:08 |
| Amaranth | pretty sure it's the same with GNOME | 06:08 |
| ethana2 | ok, persistent patch | 06:09 |
| Amaranth | and Ubuntu, etc | 06:09 |
| ethana2 | that i can't count on them to not break | 06:09 |
| ethana2 | then the mod becomes part of the environment almost | 06:09 |
| ethana2 | the app is still firefox | 06:09 |
| StevenK | But then you can't call it Firefox | 06:09 |
| ethana2 | it will be though | 06:09 |
| ethana2 | nothing else modified, all the credits in place, everything | 06:09 |
| StevenK | It can't be, you can't call it Firefox | 06:09 |
| ethana2 | *sigh* | 06:10 |
| ethana2 | ok then, random 'element', random animal | 06:10 |
| StevenK | Have you read the Mozilla license? You can't call it Firefox, which is why Debian has Iceweasel | 06:10 |
| ethana2 | ahhhhh | 06:10 |
| ethana2 | i was wondering exactly what iceweasel was | 06:10 |
| ethana2 | i'm thinking ...earth angel | 06:11 |
| ethana2 | no really though, that stands to be trivial | 06:11 |
| ethana2 | heck | 06:11 |
| ethana2 | let the user name the app themselves | 06:11 |
| ethana2 | or name it nothing at all! less junk in the title applet | 06:11 |
| ethana2 | well, this isn't as directly related to the immediate development of ubuntu as would be proper | 06:12 |
| ethana2 | but please don't kill that gnome bug without reading all i have to say about it | 06:12 |
| ethana2 | render my dreams in your mind | 06:12 |
| ethana2 | as cheesy as that may sound | 06:13 |
| ethana2 | i should probably leave this channel to prevent further off topic discussion. | 06:13 |
| ethana2 | rock on, ubuntu devs! | 06:13 |
| ethana2 | masters of the universe* | 06:13 |
| Amaranth | i think that guy is either on something or needs to be on something :/ | 06:15 |
| RAOF | It starts out only slightly unreasonable. | 06:15 |
| === superm1_ is now known as superm1 | ||
| StevenK | And then snowballs ... | 06:19 |
| RAOF | Indeed. It didn't end well. | 06:19 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: "# Dynamic code generation for fragment/pixel shaders. " <--from the DRI project Summer of Code 2005 ideas page :P | 06:22 |
| RAOF | Everyone loves JIT! | 06:23 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: And, lo, Gallium (is meant to) implements it. | 06:23 |
| Amaranth | right, but this was 3 years ago :) | 06:23 |
| RAOF | Well, it's difficult. | 06:24 |
| RAOF | :) | 06:24 |
| Amaranth | nah, 3 years ago zrusin was just too busy inventing new maths for qt 4 | 06:25 |
| * superm1 remembers back in the day when math used to use numbers | 06:31 | |
| warp10 | Good morning | 07:38 |
| Fujitsu | nxvl: UbuntuWire has returned from the dead, in case you were still wondering. | 07:41 |
| RAOF | Hense the sudden influx of >500 rss items in my google reader. | 07:42 |
| Fujitsu | Which feeds? | 07:42 |
| RAOF | The u-u-s feed. | 07:48 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 07:49 |
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | ||
| DktrKranz | dholbach, thanks for sponsoring nut, I really needed it | 08:27 |
| \sh | moins | 08:28 |
| Fujitsu | Hi \sh. | 08:28 |
| \sh | Hey Fujitsu :) | 08:28 |
| \sh | ScottK , Hobbsee : thx for claws-mail...will upload in a few hours | 08:31 |
| dholbach | DktrKranz: np :) | 08:31 |
| hellboy195 | TheMuso: around? | 09:38 |
| hellboy195 | \sh: are you already excited :P http://www.golem.de/0803/58455.html | 09:45 |
| hellboy195 | good morning jono | 09:45 |
| jono | hey hellboy195 | 09:46 |
| hellboy195 | jono: maybe a little bit offtopic. any news about jokosher? | 09:48 |
| \sh | hellboy195: just a guess: zend-framework 1.5.0? | 09:54 |
| \sh | hellboy195: it's already packaged and laying on my workstation at home...need to file an FFe ;) | 09:55 |
| \sh | hellboy195: but first : upload claws-mail* and packaging of nexuiz (which is halfly done) | 09:55 |
| * hellboy195 shouts: Go! Go! Go! :D | 09:56 | |
| \sh | hellboy195: oh wine ;) | 09:56 |
| hellboy195 | \sh: yes wine ^^ | 09:56 |
| \sh | hellboy195: well, let's see | 09:56 |
| \sh | hellboy195: I'm biased ;) | 09:57 |
| hellboy195 | I know :P | 09:57 |
| DktrKranz | hellboy195, dunno how, but I GOT BEAGLE! | 10:02 |
| hellboy195 | DktrKranz: GREAT! :) :) :) \o/ | 10:03 |
| DktrKranz | really test-building it | 10:04 |
| DktrKranz | since I did *experiments* :D | 10:04 |
| hellboy195 | ^^ | 10:05 |
| hellboy195 | So I suppose further testing before uploading. *Experiments* | 10:05 |
| DktrKranz | Yes | 10:05 |
| DktrKranz | my local copy is a mess | 10:05 |
| DktrKranz | so I need to clean it | 10:06 |
| DktrKranz | and limiting to needed stuffs | 10:06 |
| hellboy195 | nvm. It's working and that's all that count :) | 10:07 |
| DktrKranz | I'm not sure it's working, I need to figure out steps I did :) | 10:08 |
| hellboy195 | DktrKranz: Then we should wait with our party ^^ | 10:10 |
| DktrKranz | yep | 10:10 |
| DktrKranz | ten minutes | 10:11 |
| hellboy195 | xD | 10:11 |
| === gaurish is now known as cool | ||
| hellboy195 | DktrKranz: next time we maybe should ask https://edge.launchpad.net/~kkubasik for help :P | 10:40 |
| DktrKranz | heh | 10:41 |
| hellboy195 | DktrKranz: and how's the progress? | 10:45 |
| DktrKranz | very good | 10:45 |
| DktrKranz | test build is completed | 10:45 |
| DktrKranz | now, testing phase :) | 10:46 |
| hellboy195 | DktrKranz: you are the best :) | 10:49 |
| DktrKranz | testing phase passed \o/ | 10:50 |
| hellboy195 | DktrKranz: very fast ^^ | 10:52 |
| DktrKranz | hellboy195, done | 11:05 |
| * hellboy195 waves and hugs DktrKranz :D | 11:06 | |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| \sh_away | ok...claws-mail* uploaded | 11:12 |
| hellboy195 | \sh_away: great, nexuiz , nexuiz , nexuiz :) | 11:13 |
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | ||
| \sh | hellboy195: jaja..bin ja schon dran ,-) | 11:15 |
| hellboy195 | \sh: hihi. danke -> hihi. thanks to be multilingual | 11:16 |
| ScottK | If I've got a library package that's mis-named (package name doesn't match soname) should I provide transitional packages when I rename it? | 11:43 |
| \sh | I would do that.. | 11:45 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 11:45 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: this looks broken. | 11:49 |
| * jdstrand hugs Fujitsu | 12:04 | |
| jdstrand | Fujitsu: thanks for all the ubuntu-cve-tracker updates! | 12:05 |
| jdstrand | Fujitsu: I just reviewed keescook's merge of your work | 12:05 |
| Fujitsu | jdstrand: No problem... More to come over the next couple of days. | 12:05 |
| Fujitsu | jdstrand: There's still a fair bit of stuff that hasn't been merged yet, I note. | 12:09 |
| jdstrand | Fujitsu: I made a note to take a look at them | 12:11 |
| === Sebast1an is now known as Sebastian | ||
| chuck_ | DktrKranz: ping | 12:23 |
| === chuck_ is now known as zul | ||
| === Hobbsee is now known as Spiky | ||
| DktrKranz | zul, pong | 12:24 |
| zul | Daviey: I dont get your nut merge request | 12:25 |
| === Spiky is now known as Hobbsee | ||
| * Hobbsee wtf's... | 12:26 | |
| zul | hmmm.. | 12:26 |
| DktrKranz | zul, sorry? | 12:26 |
| zul | DktrKranz: shoot...why do you need to merge nut for? | 12:27 |
| DktrKranz | zul, collectd FTBFS because nut tries to restart udev | 12:27 |
| DktrKranz | NMU fixed that | 12:27 |
| zul | ah ok.. | 12:27 |
| zul | but I dont see it in the debdiff anything about udev | 12:28 |
| jdstrand | hi emgent! | 12:28 |
| DktrKranz | Debian fixed that with 2.1 | 12:29 |
| Hobbsee | sladen: you around? | 12:29 |
| DktrKranz | debian 469855 | 12:29 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 469855 in nut "postinst fails if udev is not running" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/469855 | 12:29 |
| zul | DktrKranz: ok. | 12:30 |
| zul | DktrKranz: ok but in the debdiff there is nothing about that | 12:31 |
| DktrKranz | why should it? I merged from Debian, so their changes are not visible in the debdiff | 12:32 |
| DktrKranz | only ours are | 12:32 |
| zul | DktrKranz: thanks Ill take a look | 12:35 |
| DktrKranz | zul, oh... daniel sponsored it this morning, it lies in unapproved ATM | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | ....you're only telling him that now? | 12:36 |
| DktrKranz | I've seen just now it's still in u-m-s | 12:36 |
| DktrKranz | I'll update bug to reflect it | 12:39 |
| DktrKranz | sorry for the misunderstanding | 12:39 |
| Iulian | Hey | 12:52 |
| RainCT | morning | 13:01 |
| Iulian | Hi RainCT. | 13:02 |
| === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde | ||
| protonchris | dholbach: I got rid of the transitional packages on bug 190744. If you have time for another look. | 13:21 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 190744 in libgdamm3.0 "Request: Upgrade libgdamm3.0 to upstream version 2.9.81" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190744 | 13:21 |
| === LifeHacker is now known as tuxmaniac | ||
| bmk789 | can anyone help me with patching/building acidrip for bug 182999? | 13:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 182999 in acidrip "AcidRip Fails to properly work with x264 (includes patch)." [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182999 | 13:43 |
| bmk789 | ive downloaded the source, put the patches in debian/patches and added them to the list file, but im lost as to how to apply the patches, make the source deb then build it | 13:45 |
| asac | anyone can tell me how the backports process works? is there a team that signs off backport contributions? | 14:00 |
| persia | asac: File a bug against $(release)-backports, and the backports team will approve it for review by the archive admins. | 14:01 |
| persia | If there are source changes, it's a little more complicated. | 14:01 |
| persia | !backports | 14:01 |
| ubotu | If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging | 14:01 |
| asac | persia: thanks | 14:02 |
| emgent | heya people | 14:02 |
| saysalone | hi, does anyone know where the "apply" command in ubuntu is ? | 14:12 |
| Hobbsee | apply? | 14:13 |
| saysalone | yes | 14:13 |
| saysalone | is there such a package ? | 14:14 |
| saysalone | it doesn't seem to exist | 14:16 |
| RainCT | saysalone: what is it? | 14:17 |
| saysalone | apply is a command | 14:21 |
| saysalone | to apply a command to a set of parameters. | 14:21 |
| RainCT | ah, I see | 14:25 |
| === czessi_ is now known as Czessi | ||
| RainCT | saysalone: you can try with: apt-file search /usr/bin/apply (I can't right now as I'm upgrading to Hardy) | 14:27 |
| saysalone | RainCT: thanks, will try that later | 14:31 |
| jdong | ScottK: whenever you feel up to the task, Firefox 3.0 beta 4 backports are ready to upload | 14:35 |
| === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach | ||
| === twanj__ is now known as twanj | ||
| ScottK | jdong: On my list for maybe tonight. That and pigdin. | 15:01 |
| jdong | ScottK: cool. But just for the record, you know a web browser is *SO* much cooler than an IM client, right? ;-) | 15:06 |
| jdong | (joking) | 15:06 |
| === azeem_ is now known as azeem | ||
| jdong | Dear Mutt: | 15:29 |
| jdong | Please let me pipe all tagged messages to a command. | 15:29 |
| jdong | Kind regards, | 15:29 |
| jdong | jdong. | 15:29 |
| StevenK | jdong: ;| | 15:29 |
| jdong | StevenK: does that actually work? I could've sworn it didn't do a thing | 15:29 |
| jdong | StevenK: I'm an idiot | 15:30 |
| * StevenK quotes jdong out of context | 15:30 | |
| jdong | StevenK: I think that's a popularly known fact now | 15:30 |
| StevenK | :-P | 15:30 |
| hefe_bia | Hi! I think I have fixed bug #193606. (debdiff attached) What's the next step? Subscribing ubuntu-universe-sponsors? | 15:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 193606 in open-vm-tools "module-assistant fails to install open-vm-source" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193606 | 15:33 |
| \sh | jdong: pls test latest wine if it builds on gutsy, thx :) | 15:33 |
| jdong | 0.9.57-0ubuntu1~7.10prevu1 | 15:34 |
| jdong | is that latest? | 15:34 |
| \sh | jdong: yepp... | 15:34 |
| jdong | \sh: builds, works, backport request has been approved | 15:34 |
| \sh | jdong: but if I have time, there will be another upload with fixed build-deps and fixed polish translation | 15:34 |
| jdong | \sh: what's wrong with the build-deps? | 15:34 |
| jdong | \sh: and you forgot Poland??? ;-) | 15:34 |
| \sh | jdong: on i386 libxi-dev and libxinerama-dev are missing for .so files of the libs | 15:35 |
| jdong | ah | 15:35 |
| \sh | jdong: no...I didn't...we just copied it incorrectly from the browser...so UTF-8 broke badly ;) | 15:35 |
| jdong | haha, nice :) | 15:35 |
| \sh | jdong: the missing build-deps are changes between gutsy and hardy somehow.. | 15:36 |
| \sh | it only occured on hardy it seems, and only after a xorg upload...strange | 15:36 |
| jdong | \sh: very odd... probably some x11 dep coincidentally pulled in the deps which no longer happens | 15:36 |
| jdong | \sh: I've seen the same with GNOME app backports the other way around -- something on Hardy coincidentally pulls in a dep that doesn't get pulled in on Gutsy | 15:37 |
| \sh | jdong: something which can be fixed easily ;) | 15:37 |
| jdong | indeed | 15:38 |
| \sh | todo list updated :( | 15:38 |
| RainCT | hefe_bia: yes, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 15:41 |
| RainCT | hefe_bia: but note that unified diff's are preferred | 15:42 |
| RainCT | hefe_bia: actually, is that a debdiff? | 15:43 |
| hefe_bia | Generated with debdiff pkg_oldrev.dsc pkg_newrev.dsc | 15:43 |
| RainCT | hefe_bia: do you have patchutils installed? | 15:44 |
| hefe_bia | RainCT: yes | 15:44 |
| hefe_bia | RainCT: I have checked that it applies cleanly as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing "Debdiff patches are best tested with ..." | 15:48 |
| RainCT | hefe_bia: well, shouldn't be a problem :) | 15:51 |
| hefe_bia | RainCT: done, thanks. :) | 15:57 |
| \emgent | heya | 16:01 |
| RainCT | hefe_bia: thank *you* :) | 16:15 |
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| \sh | siretart: did you see the new announcement of HP with 8 socket for amd quad cores? :) | 16:35 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 16:56 |
| Iulian | Hi bddebian | 17:01 |
| bddebian | Hello Iulian | 17:01 |
| === emgent_ is now known as emgent | ||
| bobbo | Does anyone know why i get this error, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5814/plain/, when i try to build jedit? | 18:35 |
| tball | Hello. Anybody good at packing debs here? I heart a rumor I just look here :P | 18:46 |
| tball | I know how to packaging, but got a weird problem | 18:46 |
| tball | in this case | 18:46 |
| tball | Wenn packaging I get a lot of: "Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated." in the end. And my deb file is only 17 kb big :S? | 18:49 |
| james_w | tball: the first thing shouldn't cause you any trouble, but just check the number in debian/compat, and then read the debhelper manpage on compatibility levels. | 18:52 |
| james_w | bobbo: you need to define one of those values, debian/rules should tell you a sensible value | 18:52 |
| bobbo | james_w; managed to work it out, thanks :) | 18:52 |
| tball | james_w: Thx Ill try it out | 18:53 |
| tball | Another question. I try to compile kiba-docks. But it cause me alot of trouble. Just if any of you tried it before me and knew if there was any trouble. | 18:53 |
| tball | james_w: It worked. Just had to change the compatibility layer to V5b :) Thx | 19:04 |
| dneary | Hi | 19:19 |
| dneary | I've got a .dsc, .diff.gz and _orig.tgz from a Hardy package that I'd like to build on Gusty | 19:19 |
| dneary | Anyone mind running me through generating a .deb from the package files? | 19:19 |
| dneary | I'm not exactly starting from scratch, and I've been having lots of trouble going in circles in the packaging guide | 19:20 |
| tball | dneary: Let me try help you out | 19:23 |
| blueyed | bobbo: let me handle the jedit package, please. I want to include the new bugfix upstream release.. | 19:24 |
| bobbo | blueyed; ah no problem, ive already got a debdiff to fix the build-deps if you want it? | 19:25 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| blueyed | bobbo: thanks, but looks like a simple search and replace. | 19:25 |
| bobbo | blueyed; ok | 19:26 |
| Amaranth | dneary: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc then go into the directory created and run debuild binary | 19:29 |
| Amaranth | guessing you just want a quick deb for yourself | 19:29 |
| dneary | Thanks Amaranth | 19:32 |
| dneary | Sorry - was reading a bed-time story | 19:32 |
| dneary | I also thought maybe ubuntu-devel was a more appropriate channel, & asked there | 19:33 |
| bobbo | If you need a debdiff reviewed for part of a mass bug (like bug #203636) do you subscribe u-u-s or just advertise it in here? | 19:53 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 203636 in jedit "replace icedtea-java7 references with openjdk-6 references" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203636 | 19:53 |
| cody-somerville | bobbo, probably want to subscribe u-u-s | 19:55 |
| bobbo | thanks | 19:55 |
| RainCT | OT, is there someting like xkill but which will just give me the pid? | 20:10 |
| jpatrick | RainCT: ps ax | grep "program" ? | 20:17 |
| bmk789 | can anyone help be with patching/packaging acidrip for bug 182999? | 20:20 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 182999 in acidrip "AcidRip Fails to properly work with x264 (includes patch)." [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182999 | 20:20 |
| blueyed | RainCT: pgrep? | 20:20 |
| RainCT | jpatrick: can't find it with that | 20:20 |
| bmk789 | ive downloaded the source, put the patches in debian/patches but im lost as to where to go from here | 20:21 |
| blueyed | bmk789: try "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" in the source directory. You maybe need to enable the patches, too, before. | 20:26 |
| blueyed | bmk789: try "what-patch" (from the ubuntu-dev-tools package), to see which patch system gets used. | 20:26 |
| bmk789 | thank you, running it now | 20:27 |
| nxvl | easier than that | 20:28 |
| bmk789 | what-patch gave dpatch, but the patches i have were just .patch, do i need to convert or something? | 20:28 |
| nxvl | bmk789: look on the debian/rules if you are using cdbs patch system, dpatch or quilt (search for those names on debian/rules) | 20:28 |
| bmk789 | its dpatch | 20:29 |
| nxvl | bmk789: with dpatch making the patchs is easier | 20:29 |
| nxvl | let me find the wiki page | 20:29 |
| nxvl | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems#head-5f4642a5564760bd8aae0fd2cbd70e6cd78c1260 | 20:29 |
| bmk789 | how do i take the .patch files i have and make them work with dpatch? | 20:29 |
| nxvl | bmk789: take a look at the link i have just gave you | 20:30 |
| bmk789 | ok | 20:31 |
| albert23 | RainCT: xprop | grep PID ? | 20:33 |
| === gary4gar is now known as cool | ||
| RAOF | Hobbsee: I know you'll not be here yet, but "this looks broken" presumably refers to one-or-more FFe bugs?" | 20:35 |
| RainCT | albert23: that's what I was searching, thanks :) | 20:36 |
| * RainCT thanks to jpatrick and blueyed, too ;) | 20:37 | |
| pete_ | Hey hey peeps | 20:38 |
| === pete_ is now known as cbx33 | ||
| cbx33 | long time | 20:38 |
| cbx33 | is hardy .... stable enough to upgrade to now? | 20:38 |
| gary4gar | no | 20:38 |
| cbx33 | that's a shame...hoping to test drive it a little | 20:39 |
| cbx33 | I normally upgrade a few days before release | 20:39 |
| gary4gar | its still in BETA stage | 20:39 |
| cbx33 | yeh of course | 20:39 |
| gary4gar | then you know must what beta means | 20:39 |
| === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger | ||
| ajmitch | hello cbx33 :) | 20:40 |
| cbx33 | hey ajmitch howz it going | 20:40 |
| cbx33 | long time eh? | 20:40 |
| RAOF | cbx33: Howdie! | 20:40 |
| cbx33 | hey hey RAOF | 20:40 |
| ajmitch | good, busy, yes, long time :) | 20:40 |
| cbx33 | been busy too | 20:40 |
| cbx33 | too busy | 20:40 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 20:40 |
| RAOF | Return of the long-lime-aways. | 20:40 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 20:41 |
| * ajmitch is not returned, just visiting 'temporarily' | 20:41 | |
| cbx33 | heheh | 20:41 |
| RAOF | cbx33: It's probably reasonably safe for you to upgrade. We've had our mandatory break-the-world libc update now :) | 20:41 |
| cbx33 | me neither...not got the time at the moment | 20:41 |
| cbx33 | RAOF hhehehah | 20:41 |
| cbx33 | yeh I'm just updating all packages | 20:42 |
| cbx33 | then maybe I'll go for it | 20:42 |
| cbx33 | hope it doesn't break things | 20:42 |
| cbx33 | :p | 20:42 |
| cbx33 | I'm wondering if my laptop is too, specialised | 20:42 |
| * ajmitch may upgrade to gutsy one day | 20:42 | |
| cbx33 | hahaha | 20:42 |
| cbx33 | i wonder if it'll make my machine slower or faster | 20:42 |
| ajmitch | my desktop is still lagging behind on a few packages, and isn't even at final gutsy | 20:42 |
| cbx33 | I'm on gutsy now | 20:43 |
| ajmitch | my laptop is, and I'll probably upgrade that to hardy soonish | 20:43 |
| cbx33 | trouble my laptop is a mite slow | 20:44 |
| cbx33 | it's a 1Ghz chip | 20:44 |
| cbx33 | but only 256Mb RAM | 20:44 |
| cbx33 | and I think that's what's killing it | 20:44 |
| cbx33 | but then I've slimmed down a lot and I'm running openbox | 20:44 |
| cbx33 | but it's still dog slow | 20:44 |
| bmk789 | i still dont understand how to use these .patch files into the dpatch system | 20:45 |
| cbx33 | I think ti's HDD access that's my real issue | 20:45 |
| bmk789 | i tried running dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us and it gives errors on the new patches | 20:45 |
| cbx33 | but there seems no way to speed that up | 20:45 |
| bmk789 | nxvl, blueyed, any ideas? | 20:47 |
| blueyed | bmk789: what errors? | 20:47 |
| cbx33 | anyone know a way to speed up hdd access? | 20:48 |
| cbx33 | i don't think I can just hoping | 20:48 |
| blueyed | bmk789: with dpatch you basically can do "dpatch-edit-patch", the edit/patch the files directly, and exit the subshell, which creates a patch for you. very handy. | 20:48 |
| cbx33 | it is a very nice system | 20:48 |
| bmk789 | heres the error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60082/ | 20:48 |
| cbx33 | anyone know if someone has written a wrapper for "cd" that enables you to cd into tar files | 20:49 |
| cbx33 | now that'd be cool | 20:49 |
| kozz | I would need someone to upload (sponsor) a bugfix for me in sane-backends-extras | 20:49 |
| bmk789 | should i apply the .patch then create a dpatch from the old and the result from the .patch | 20:49 |
| kozz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends-extras/+bug/180169 | 20:49 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 180169 in sane-backends-extras "[hardy] /dev missing some entries, others have wrong permissions" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:49 |
| kozz | there is a debdiff in the bugtracker | 20:50 |
| ajmitch | cbx33: sounds like something that should be done with fuse | 20:50 |
| blueyed | bmk789: with a clean source (patch unapplied), do "dpatch-edit-patch good-name", then edit any files (or apply the patch manually), then "exit"/ctrl-d and dpatch has created the patch for you. | 20:50 |
| blueyed | bmk789: you can later edit the patch again.. you should move the patches out of debian/patches before/deactivate them, if they are failing (or you want to just make them), of course | 20:51 |
| bmk789 | so with clean source, i can run dpatch-edit-patch and paste in the .patch i have. and it will format it correctly? | 20:52 |
| RainCT | kozz: upload it to a bug report and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 20:52 |
| RainCT | bmk789: not paste, but apply it (dpatch-edit-patch will drop you into a shell) | 20:53 |
| kozz | RainCT: it is uploaded, but will add ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 20:53 |
| blueyed | bmk789: not paste, but apply it: it creates a subshell and on exit creates a patch for you. You can also just edit any files with a text editor (but don't paste the patch into the shell.. ;) | 20:53 |
| cbx33 | ajmitch: yeh that's what I thought | 20:54 |
| cbx33 | sounds cool though | 20:54 |
| RainCT | bmk789: dpatch-edit-patch will create a copy of the source, apply the patches listed in debian/patches/00list to it, drop you into a shell to do whatever you want, and then if you exit with code 0 (just type "exit 0") it will compare the files to the original ones and generate a patch | 20:54 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 20:54 |
| bmk789 | i see | 20:54 |
| kozz | RainCT: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends-extras/+bug/180169 - looks good? | 20:57 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 180169 in sane-backends-extras "[hardy] /dev missing some entries, others have wrong permissions" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:57 |
| bmk789 | ok, i got the dpatch made correctly i think, but i got a new error when running "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" http://paste.ubuntu.com/5825/ | 21:01 |
| bmk789 | should i have made a copy of acidrip.pm first? i thought patch created a .orig | 21:04 |
| jdong | oh god, oh god.... | 21:04 |
| jdong | I left a .bzr in azureus's orig.tar.gz | 21:04 |
| jdong | crap. Do I fix it now with a repack, or do I pretend it doesn't exist? | 21:04 |
| jdong | whew false alarm | 21:08 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 21:10 |
| cbx33 | jdong: I hate it when that happens | 21:10 |
| jdong | cbx33: I only made the mistake in the 0ubuntu3 release, a jealous use of cp -av introduced a small .bzr (light checkout) into the diff.gz | 21:11 |
| jdong | cbx33: fortunately the orig isn't afffected, so it's very simple to fix | 21:11 |
| jdong | and hopefully nobody saw it :D | 21:11 |
| jdong | I also believe that Azureus was my first ever upload.... so there goes my track record :) | 21:12 |
| ajmitch | jdong: of never breaking a thing? | 21:12 |
| jdong | ajmitch: more like of never making a stupid upload.... I think my breakage record is untoppable if we extend back 3 years or so :) | 21:12 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 21:13 |
| bmk789 | RainCT, blueyed: i got "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" to complete successfully, what files should that have created? | 21:20 |
| blueyed | bmk789: just do "ls -lt .. | head" to see them, e.g. *.deb | 21:20 |
| bmk789 | i was supposed to edit something else in debian/ wasnt i? | 21:22 |
| bmk789 | there is one .deb there but its the exact same version as all the other files | 21:22 |
| bmk789 | blueyed: isnt there a tool for updating the changelog? | 21:24 |
| blueyed | bmk789: "dch -e", for editing | 21:25 |
| bmk789 | so i use that for the changelog then rerun "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us"? | 21:25 |
| blueyed | bmk789: use "dch -i", to increase the version.. | 21:25 |
| blueyed | yes. it pulls the version from the changelog. | 21:26 |
| bmk789 | finished the changelog | 21:32 |
| bmk789 | now when i try to rebuild i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5829/ | 21:33 |
| nxvl | bmk789: why did you have an empty file "1"? | 21:35 |
| bmk789 | i do? | 21:35 |
| bmk789 | hm | 21:36 |
| bmk789 | o well, fixed that | 21:36 |
| bmk789 | idk how that file got there | 21:36 |
| bmk789 | but what is the "unrepresentable changes to source" | 21:37 |
| asac | jdong: is b4 backport done already? | 21:37 |
| jdong | asac: it's posted on the sponsor queue, ScottK says he will do it tonight, unless you feel like pushing it now | 21:44 |
| bmk789 | blueyed, nxvl: any ideas what this means? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5830/ | 21:44 |
| jdong | asac: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gutsy-backports/+bug/191796/comments/25 | 21:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 191796 in gutsy-backports "Please backport firefox-3.0 3.0~b4 final" [Undecided,Triaged] | 21:44 |
| RainCT | bmk789: PNG files are binary; they can't be represented as text | 21:45 |
| RainCT | bmk789: if you want to add a binary file to the .diff.gz you have to uuencode it | 21:46 |
| bmk789 | how do i do that? | 21:46 |
| RainCT | I'll add a page to the wiki explaining it :) | 21:48 |
| bmk789 | great, thanks! | 21:48 |
| bmk789 | RainCT, blueyed, nxvl: sorry for all the n00bish questions, just hoping i can figure out packaging so i can get some more packages fixed for hardy | 21:49 |
| === never|mobi is now known as neversfelde|mobi | ||
| RainCT | bmk789: heh, no problem, we all have to learn :) | 21:51 |
| bobbo | When does Univrse get un-freezed (so updates can be built)? | 21:54 |
| * bobbo just realises it doesnt work that way and goes to read more Wiki | 21:54 | |
| blueyed | bobbo: new packages have to be approved manually until beta release | 21:55 |
| blueyed | bobbo: freemind just has been accepted. | 21:55 |
| bobbo | blueyed, heh thanks :) | 21:56 |
| asac | jdong: how long do you want to let it bake in your PPA before upload? | 21:59 |
| asac | jdong: i think the changes are similar to the ones required for beta3, so it should still be ok imo | 21:59 |
| jdong | asac: I think it's cooked already | 21:59 |
| jdong | asac: I'd be happy with uploading those two dsc's I posted on the bug report | 21:59 |
| asac | jdong: ok. just asked someone who asked for backports to test your ppa... lets see | 22:01 |
| jdong | asac: cool. I've had about 3 people report back on the bug report postively on those PPA packages | 22:01 |
| asac | jdong: yes, maybe lets wait a few more minutes if the guy replies :) | 22:02 |
| jdong | :) | 22:02 |
| nxvl | is there any documentation on how to make multiple binary packages? | 22:23 |
| crimsun | quite some, yes. | 22:23 |
| nxvl | crimsun: can you point me to one of them? | 22:24 |
| LaserJock | nxvl: I thought there was something in the packaging guide about that but I'm not positive | 22:24 |
| LaserJock | I can't remember what all is in there anymore | 22:25 |
| crimsun | nxvl: more detail would be useful | 22:25 |
| crimsun | e.g., cdbs? quilt? ... | 22:26 |
| nxvl | crimsun: for example apache, is 1 source and multiple binaries | 22:26 |
| crimsun | nxvl: do you want a template, or..? | 22:29 |
| crimsun | IIRC, mruiz has a nice briefer on multiple packages | 22:29 |
| crimsun | (and of course, the Debian wiki. http://wiki.debian.org/Making_Multiple_Packages_From_A_Single_Source_Tarball ) | 22:30 |
| * LaserJock screams! | 22:31 | |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: issues? :) | 22:34 |
| LaserJock | a few | 22:34 |
| LaserJock | been trying for weeks to get a resolution on squeak licensing | 22:35 |
| LaserJock | the guy that maintains the "official" unofficial debian repo says that it's GPL/Squeak license | 22:35 |
| LaserJock | but it's not clear because there are *3* different files with licenses in them | 22:36 |
| ajmitch | oh well, just get it removed from ubuntu :) | 22:36 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm supposed to "fix it" :-) | 22:36 |
| ajmitch | but if you really can't... | 22:36 |
| LaserJock | then I email the author and he says "oh, it's been MIT for years, there's no GPL" | 22:36 |
| LaserJock | and now a new package has shown up in Debian | 22:37 |
| ajmitch | then if you're bored, go tackle the huge pile of possible rc bugs :) | 22:37 |
| LaserJock | and it looks nice at first | 22:37 |
| LaserJock | but I see it's .dfsg. but there's no info on what was removed | 22:38 |
| LaserJock | and so now I have like 2 different upstreams with 3 different licenses floating around | 22:38 |
| LaserJock | and I'm supposed to get this in Hardy :/ | 22:38 |
| LaserJock | I so love good upstreams | 22:39 |
| LaserJock | that's what this is teaching me :-0 | 22:39 |
| civija | what does 'dfsg' mean in package names? | 22:39 |
| LaserJock | it's for Debian Free Software Guidlines | 22:39 |
| civija | aha, tnx :) | 22:40 |
| LaserJock | it's the rules Debian uses to figure out if software is Free or not | 22:40 |
| LaserJock | so when it's put in the package name it means that they packager did something to the upstream files to make it comply with the DFSG | 22:40 |
| civija | cool, tnx for clarify | 22:42 |
| james_w | geser: you rock! thanks. | 23:03 |
| geser | james_w: no problem | 23:12 |
| blueyed | slangasek: can you please sponsor acpi-support once more, please? There's a severe regression on Fujitsu notebooks (bug 203369) | 23:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 203369 in acpi-support "FUJITSU SIEMENS.config Ubuntu 8.40 Beta 6" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203369 | 23:33 |
| chadmiller | Hi. I haven't made a new .deb in /years/. What's the recommended tool these days to boostrap making a new package? I mean, initialization with example debian/* files and such. | 23:36 |
| keescook | blueyed: what's the other stuff in the debdiff? conffile stuff? | 23:36 |
| james_w | chadmiller: dh-make | 23:36 |
| chadmiller | Still?! Wow. | 23:36 |
| chadmiller | Thanks. | 23:36 |
| blueyed | keescook: yes, removes the conffiles obsoleted by 0.106.. it has been reported in a bug comment, so no real bug reference. | 23:36 |
| keescook | blueyed: ah, gotcha, reading changelog now | 23:39 |
| LaserJock | stink, what | 23:40 |
| LaserJock | what's the point of having patches if you just make 1, 119719 line one | 23:41 |
| keescook | blueyed: I've uploaded it -- thanks for getting it fixed. :) | 23:42 |
| blueyed | keescook: thanks! :) I guess it was a typo from me.. :/ | 23:42 |
| keescook | slangasek: acpi-support regression fix waiting in the queue for you, if you want it. :) | 23:43 |
| keescook | blueyed: eh, still, good to get it fixed. :) | 23:43 |
| blueyed | sure :) | 23:43 |
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