[00:14] well, i had a kernel update to do the same time i did the .21 upgrade [00:27] I just had 21 refuse to start at all so I had to downgrade [00:46] anyone care to review my HTPC build? https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=5891325&WishListTitle=AMD%2DMediaPC [00:47] this HTPC build will be in worst case decoding bluray, using dualboot of xp and mythtv [01:01] ah man, I just got a fusion steel on sale last week, wish I knew black would be on sale this week [01:01] btw lirc with that case is proving to be a pain [01:02] ahave: get this fan for that: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185046&Tpk=Scythe%2bNinja%2bminio [01:02] your build is very similar to mine [01:02] yea, i was reading bad reviews with the IR and display [01:03] any other tips you could suggest? do you think it would have the power for bluray decoding? [01:03] I have the display working with the silver [01:03] but its supposed to be compatable with mce remotes and I can't get mine to work well with it [01:03] any random characters? [01:03] had that happen once [01:03] pulled the power and it was ok [01:04] yea, that was what people were saying the fix was [01:04] unfortunately I don't have any bluray experience [01:04] I thought you couldn't play back with linux [01:05] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD [01:05] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127036 thats my board [01:06] this ram is cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034 [01:06] err wait, 2gb compared to 4gb [01:06] yea [01:06] 4GB just bc of XP on dual boot [01:07] I think 2gb is more than enough for xp [01:07] vista is a different story [01:07] but if you have the cash why not [01:07] the power supply in that case only has 2 sata plugs [01:08] not sure if its an issue for you or not [01:08] also check out this inntel build http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=8417086 [01:08] nah, dont plan on running too many hard drives on the front [01:08] how is that PS? any issues? [01:08] loud? [01:08] nope [01:08] I like antec ps's [01:09] I've heard you can get quieter, but they are nice IMO [01:09] yea. i was looking at other cases that did not come with one, and i had a nice 80+ eff PS [01:09] but i liked this case, mostly the VFD and dual 120s [01:09] ahave: did you check and see if any of that stuff comes in combos? [01:10] I knocked $25 off of mine by comboing [01:10] rhpot1991, no actually... [01:10] hmm [01:10] and another $10 with a email coupon code [01:10] would that be under 'combo deals' [01:10] plus $50 in rebates [01:10] ya on the laft side you can click view all by combos [01:10] and see whats available [01:10] do that for all parts, as they all combo differently [01:10] mix and match and see how low you can get it [01:11] sweet. thanks [01:11] so were you able to get mythtv running nicely? [01:11] other than lirc [01:20] seems to be, I just built it [01:21] I have some firewire headaches as well, but I had those before building it [01:25] can you think of anything else i might need? this is my first build... i need to add thermal paste [01:26] that fan I pasted is real good, and fits in there [01:26] some thermal paste, I got artic silver 5 [01:27] how is the noise for the whole system? [01:29] what about wire mess inside the case? do the orginal PS wires create a mess? is it worth getting ties [01:29] seems good, I'm running it with the fans on quiet, and the fan on the heat sink, my cpu temp is +28.5°C while recording [01:29] normally around 25 while idle [01:30] it has 2 ties in it that you can hook the wires by where the hard drives are at [01:30] the rest you can just push into the cpu bay [01:30] s/cpu/cdrom/ [01:30] 28.5C is quite low, right? [01:31] past 30 is getting warm? [01:31] thats what I hear [01:31] one of the other devs here has an amd64 thats up near 40 [01:33] so there is nothing with your build that you would change if you could go back [01:33] I'm annoyed by the IR, but that should work itself out [01:34] sata cdrom might be a little noisy, but I haven't tried playing a dvd in it yet [01:35] I think the black has a LCD in it where the silver has a VFD [01:35] oh yea? [01:35] hmm [01:35] I saw a posting back in mid 07 saying the LCD wasn't functional in linux yet, that is quite some time ago though [01:36] your right, it is an LCD [01:36] google seems to indicate it should work now [01:36] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=710727 [01:36] hmm. i just assumed it was the same as the silver [01:37] looks like you need to do what I did, install lirc_imon with MCC [01:37] install lcdproc with apt, then change the config to use the imon driver [01:37] pretty easy [01:37] nice [01:37] what remote are you using? [01:38] I got a mce remote that is supposed to work with it, but I only have it working with the usb adapter that came with the remote now [01:38] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880100851 [01:38] came with a bundle with my mobo, thats the only reason I got it [01:38] would you recomend it? (have you been able to use it?) [01:39] it works if you chose mce from MCC and plug in the IR adapter [01:39] my hauppauge remote worked previously though as well, so if it wasn't for the case supposedly working with that remote I wouldn't have bought it [01:39] are you putting a tuner in that? [01:40] maybe... [01:40] maybe 1 [01:40] most of the hauppauge tuners come with remotes [01:40] ah [01:40] so it depends what you are putting into it [01:40] are you using a tuner? [01:41] the mce ones work well though with the usb dongle [01:41] I have a pvr-350 in one box, and a pvr-150 in another, as well as firewire to a STB [01:41] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=570204 [01:41] read that over if you haven't [01:43] so you are using 2 tuners? or do you have a backend system? [01:43] 2 backends, one with 2 tuners (counting firewire) and one with 1 tuner [01:44] nice [01:44] hello [01:44] so are backends difficult to setup? [01:45] does anyone use a pchdtv hd-3000 in here? [01:45] or know how to get one working? [01:45] ahave: its a bit daunting you first install, lots to configure [01:45] but once you know what you are doing its easy [01:45] what if i do a front end? [01:46] or is it both front and back on the same sys? [01:46] you can mix and match, but you really need a frontend somewhere and a backend somewhere to get the most out of it [01:46] you can have multiples of each, they can be on the same system, or split [01:46] I have 2 boxes each with a FE and BE [01:47] hm [01:47] if you have one system and its powerful enough it makes sense to do both on it [01:47] how extensive does the backend need to be? [01:47] thats what I am doing with that fusion [01:47] ah, ok [01:47] which is almost the same as your, minus the 2x ram [01:47] same exact cpu [01:48] yea, ram is abit over kill. but for the price... 80$ for 4GB [01:48] might as well, lol [01:48] my old master backend/frontend was an athlon 1900+, only reason I swapped it out was cause it couldn't play back HD well enough if it was doing anything else [01:48] what HD sources did you have/ [01:49] HD playback is a cpu killer, and I'd imagine bluray is as well [01:49] firewire to a STB [01:49] ah [01:49] SitTobBox? [01:49] top* [01:49] set top box [01:49] motorola 3200 from comcast [01:49] and that allows PC interaction? or just access to the stream? [01:49] just got my HD tv so I'm still messing with it, not really reliably recording all the channels right now [01:50] it can change the channels and grab the stream over the firewire [01:50] nice [01:50] it all depends on your cable company though, a lot of them encrypt the streams [01:50] comcast [01:50] they are required to give you firewire access to the OTA locals, thats about it [01:50] and even then sometimes they don't [01:51] i can plug in my cable to my HDTV and the sharp tuner can decode [01:51] its hit or miss depending on your area [01:51] ya I can do that too, with a few channels [01:51] those channels you can get a HD tuner card to pick up [01:51] a lot of people like the HDHR for that [01:51] $150 if you shop around, and it has 2 HD/digital tuners [01:52] and that is external? [01:52] yep, ethernet [01:57] so my board would need a second NIC? [01:59] needing more than one NIC for home use is exceedingly rare [01:59] I think you can just attach it to your network [02:00] oh [02:00] I don't have one though, so google [02:00] ok [02:00] or find someone on here or in #mythtv-users who has one [02:01] for just a normal HD tv tuner.. does it only decode HD or can it do both? [02:02] depends on the tuner, I think most only do HD (well) and some can do SD but don't have hardware encoding [02:02] if you want SD get a hauppauge 150 or 500 if you want dual tuners [02:03] they work out of the box, and normally come with remotes [02:04] not many seem to have remotes on newegg... only a certain few http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116628 [02:05] nvm [02:07] and do you think my system would be powerfull enough to run mythtv back and front with TV tuners? [02:08] i prob just wont be able to decode HD at the same time.. [02:12] I haven't tested HD out much yet, but I've been told a high end amd64x2 can handle recording and playing back HD at the same time [02:13] and with the hauppauge cards they have hardware encoding, so recording from them does practically nothing on the system === rhpot1992 is now known as rhpot1991 [02:13] and you are using the onboard graphics? [02:13] yep, seems to playback ok, but once again I just built it so I haven't gotten to mess with tweaking it much yet [02:13] yea [02:13] i am getting excited :) [02:13] I wanted to reuse my old agp cared, but no one makes agp boards anymore [02:14] yea [02:14] woot [02:14] i am install mythbuntu on a 233mhz system [02:14] :P [02:14] touchscreen pos terminal [02:14] a1fa_, what will the function be? [02:14] playback only [02:14] a1fa_: good luck playing back video on that [02:15] is it possible to configure a front end on a nintendo ds.. just to select media content? [02:15] why is that? [02:15] ahave: not that I know of, 360 kinda does upnp [02:15] you can run a frontend on a xbox 1 [02:16] a little slow if you run actual mythtv, but you can access the recordings though xbmc with upnp or some scripts that are similiar to the frontend [02:16] i was looking at the DS as an advanced remote.. [02:16] what is upnp? [02:17] how many mhz is xbox? [02:17] ~450 I think [02:17] real low on ram though [02:17] so 233 mhz cant play video? [02:17] I didn't say it can't just said good luck [02:18] decent video card? [02:18] i got an xbox running xbmc.. i'd love to do mythtv so i can move that box inside my "server room" [02:18] ahave: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UPnP [02:19] a1fa_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend [02:19] ah,ok [02:19] lol [02:19] so is my DS remote idea too far off? [02:20] i'd love to stick with xbmc [02:20] a1fa_: scroll down on that [02:20] Install XBMC MythTV [02:20] it doesnt work [02:20] how not? [02:21] well it didnt work with my svn [02:21] i am sure someone fixed it to work with 0.21 [02:21] I think that might be an issue [02:21] have you tried doing upnp with xbmc? [02:22] why? [02:23] might give you almost the same functionality as a frontend [02:23] not live tv [02:23] guide etc [02:24] hello [02:24] anyone using pchdtv hd-3000 tuner card? [02:24] anyone here? [02:25] a1fa_: you can install linux on it, but its a bit underpowered for that [02:25] it runs, but its got a little bit of a delay [02:27] i'll just wait for someone to fix mythtv for xb,c [02:43] evenin' folks [02:43] I just took the mythtv update and now all my people are blue [02:43] :/ [02:45] anyone else seen this problem?? [02:54] rhpot1991, would it be wise to down size my hard drive used for the OS? [02:54] currently have a 320GB drive, would a 80GB cavalier work better? [02:56] caviar* [02:58] your call, I don't go with smaller hard drives for speed, but I have some friends who do [02:58] check out segate, they offer 5 year warranty's [02:58] no additional cost, most WD's are 1 year or 3 anymore [02:59] i suppose i could always partition the 320 [03:00] and you said the PS only has 2 SATA power cables? [03:00] ya, there are only 2 HD slots in that case as well [03:01] ah,ok [03:01] unless you are gonna throw one on top of the cdrom [03:01] I got a sata dvd burner though, so I had to dig out an adapter [03:02] how many hard drives and of what size are you using? [03:03] 400gb and 300gb sata, and a 1TB mybook in my master backend, I like to horde up BF deals though [03:05] BF? [03:05] black friday [03:05] ah [03:05] do you backup 100% to the mybook? [03:05] Hard Drive: This depends on what you want to record, and how much you want to keep at a time. I've seen around 1.7-2GB per 30 minutes of Standard Definition from a PVR-150. 6.4-7GB per hour of High-Def. [03:06] thats for mythvideo and whatever I need it for [03:06] no where near filled, but nice to have around [03:06] I think 750gb is the best per gb price right now [03:06] newegg has a segate for 150 after rebate [03:08] i was planning on holding out on storage purchases until i build the backend [03:09] so thats gonna be a frontend only? [03:09] front and back until i build the backend [03:09] then it will be frontend only [03:10] then i will move all the tuners and HDs to a backend [03:10] that machine is powerful enough to do both, so you can try that and see how it goes [03:10] do you have any old boxes around now? [03:10] yea [03:10] amd K2 as a win2000 mp3 server [03:11] what speed is that? [03:11] slow... [03:11] like 500 Mhz? [03:12] maybe less than that [03:12] the plan was just to build a backend [03:13] are mythtv backends needing anything specific? [03:13] I was gonna say you could get a SD tuner and use that to play around with for now, but thats kinda weak for it [03:13] i was just thinking, pic slots, raid, and room for HDs [03:13] PCI* [03:13] depends what you want to do with it, recording doesn't take much cpu, but things like transcoding your recordings does [03:13] yes. the pc is just too slow [03:13] 500mhz should be fine for a backend only with a hardware encoder [03:13] does anyone know if the update for mythtv has new firmware for the pvr-150??? [03:14] tgm4883_laptop: might be borderline for playback depending on the video [03:14] tgm4883_laptop: did I ever get you that mythweb config? [03:14] * rhpot1991 is forgetful today [03:15] well playback isn't going to be fun on that [03:15] no you didn't [03:15] is worthwhile to use data for DVD burner? [03:16] is there any gain in performance? [03:18] tgm4883_laptop: struck out some info since thats available via the interweb, let me know if you need to verify anything in that [03:18] k [03:18] ahave: you can backup recordings, or make dvd's that will play in dvd players with it [03:19] plus sata burners are like $20 some now [03:19] but comparing to IDE, any gain? [03:19] other than the wire managment [03:19] I'd say don't worry about it if you don't need one [03:19] if you already have ide, go ahead and keep it. If you are going to buy new, get sata [03:20] my one sticks so I replaced it [03:20] was jamming dvd's in it [03:20] ick [03:21] well i think i will just buy an IDE, that way i free up a SATA power line [03:21] price diff is only 2$ [03:21] ahave: check and see if a retail box comes with a converter [03:21] I had one laying around so it wasn't a big deal [03:22] also you can prob get one for $2 on newegg [03:26] ahave, they usually come with a converter [03:26] i read a few reviews that mentioned needing a converter [03:27] mine was OEM so thats why I didn't get one [03:27] but ill get the converter when i get the second HD [03:27] also, some drives have both connections [03:27] tgm4883_laptop: was your volume real low on a fresh install? [03:27] mine is OEM also [03:27] a few of my HD's have both, some don't [03:28] hit or miss depending on how new they are it seems [03:28] nope [03:28] it was the standard 70% [03:29] very important that if they have both, you do not hook up both [03:31] ok, i cant seem to think of anything else: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=5891325 [03:33] tgm4883_laptop: thats how my old was, but this one seems quiet, so I'm not sure what to adjust without distorting things, guess I'll play around [03:34] did you adjust any hardware? [03:34] check your audio cables [03:34] make sure they are all the way in [03:34] ahave: I got a liteon lightscribe burner for slightly less than that, depends if you like samsung or not [03:35] i've heard/read/experienced bad things with the seagate 7200.10 drives [03:35] actually I made that up [03:35] tgm4883_laptop, oh really? [03:35] yep [03:35] WD caviar be better? [03:35] no [03:35] i only buy seagate [03:35] tgm4883_laptop: explain [03:35] 5400? [03:36] the perpindicular ones? [03:36] i had a couple of the 500gb sata 7200.10 drives [03:36] the one in my backend was loud, sounded like crap (constant clicking) and seemed to be going out [03:36] so i pulled it [03:36] the other one is new [03:37] So my recommendation is to either [03:37] tgm4883_laptop: odd, I have a segate 500gb, not sure its a perpendicular though [03:37] A) spend a little more and get a 7200.11 drive (i haven't heard anything about these) [03:37] B) get the drive anyway, cause seagate support is pretty good [03:37] whats the difference between .10 and .11? [03:38] .01 [03:38] cache size? [03:38] whats that translate to though? [03:39] ohhh, 32mb cache [03:39] yum [03:41] i'd go with the drive you have [03:41] it will work [03:41] when it starts to go out, buy a new one and RMA the old one [03:41] yea [03:41] 5 year on it [03:41] also hard drives are hit or miss [03:41] * tgm4883_laptop loves seagate [03:41] they all go bad eventually [03:41] * tgm4883_laptop makes a dog leg humping motion [03:41] unless its a steal I go seagate anymore as well [03:42] I used to like WD but they are getting cheap with their warranty now [03:43] ok, thanks rhpot1991, tgm4883_laptop. going to sleep now === ahave is now known as ahave_zZZ [04:08] superm1 I see you posted on the "mythtv blue skin" problem with ATI... That looks like it's only if you're running the restricted driver... am I correct?? [04:09] cool, mythtv-status now shows the channel the shows will record from === superm1_ is now known as superm1 [06:38] superm1, I fixed the issue with my missing /dev/video0 [06:39] o? [06:39] what was it [06:39] it was a hardware issue, where I borked my front usb connections to my mobo [06:39] nice [06:39] :) [06:40] I figured out how to tunnel mythweb via ssh, but my connection si too slow to stream the videos from my myth box though:( [06:41] but its nice to know I can [06:41] tunneling stuff via ssh is a great thing [06:41] i end up having to do it on a daily basis [06:41] totally [06:42] the -D switch is the best thing since peanut butter [06:43] -D? [06:43] I used -L [06:43] dynamic foreward [06:43] read about -D [06:43] it creates a socks proxy [06:43] great thing [06:43] .ssh/config is a great file [06:44] you cleraly haven't lived yet tuvook :) [06:44] reading the manpage now [06:45] i have almost a 100 lines in .ssh/config hehe [06:48] seems like -L and -D do the same thing, -L just allows the remote machine to forward a port to a port binding on the local machine? [06:48] - [06:48] which allows me to see mythweb on my local host @ port 8080 [06:49] yes [06:49] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb_ssh_tunnel_howto [06:49] just making sure I understand, thx [06:49] but -D will do dynamic forward, so if you don't know where the packet is going, say you want to tunnel torrent traffic [06:50] make your own proxy via ssh or something [06:50] hmmm [06:51] sample LocalForward 127.0.0.1:3000 127.0.0.1:3000 [06:51] DynamicForward 127.0.0.1:7777 [06:52] or if you just want to send "general" web traffic over it you can [06:52] it's also possible to send the dns look ups [06:52] so that you can't be snooped on say an open wifi [06:52] local tells where the tunnel is and where to go after the tunnel, while dynamic only are told whre the tunnel is and then go where ever after the tunnel [06:52] or you have webfilter at work... [06:53] ssh -L 8080:localhost:80 cflynn@mydomain.com [06:53] so how would that line work with -D? [06:54] ssh -D 8080:localhost [06:56] Bad dynamic port '8080:localhost' [06:56] and you still need to login to the remote server? [06:57] well i never put the switches on the command line, i have my settings in .ssh/config but try ssh -D localhost:8080 [06:57] that does not work [06:57] wait [06:58] bad syntax [06:58] i just tried it [06:58] that string brings up ssh help [06:59] isn't it just ssh -D 8080 $HOST? [06:59] ssh -D localhost:8080 -p 2222 host [06:59] it's implied that it's localhost i thought [06:59] but u can skip -p 2222 if u run on regular port [07:00] oh yeah u dont have to specify localhost [07:00] i just do it of old habbit [07:01] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb_ssh_tunnel_howto [07:01] qhy didn't the author use -D? [07:02] and if he had, I'm trying to understand what the string would look like? [07:02]