[00:14] <pdragon> well, i had a kernel update to do the same time i did the .21 upgrade
[00:27] <jepeltw> I just had 21 refuse to start at all so I had to downgrade
[00:46] <ahave> anyone care to review my HTPC build?  https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=5891325&WishListTitle=AMD%2DMediaPC
[00:47] <ahave> this HTPC build will be in worst case decoding bluray, using dualboot of xp and mythtv
[01:01] <rhpot1991> ah man, I just got a fusion steel on sale last week, wish I knew black would be on sale this week
[01:01] <rhpot1991> btw lirc with that case is proving to be a pain
[01:02] <rhpot1991> ahave: get this fan for that: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185046&Tpk=Scythe%2bNinja%2bminio
[01:02] <rhpot1991> your build is very similar to mine
[01:02] <ahave> yea, i was reading bad reviews with the IR and display
[01:03] <ahave> any other tips you could suggest? do you think it would have the power for bluray decoding?
[01:03] <rhpot1991> I have the display working with the silver
[01:03] <rhpot1991> but its supposed to be compatable with mce remotes and I can't get mine to work well with it
[01:03] <ahave> any random characters?
[01:03] <rhpot1991> had that happen once
[01:03] <rhpot1991> pulled the power and it was ok
[01:04] <ahave> yea, that was what people were saying the fix was
[01:04] <rhpot1991> unfortunately I don't have any bluray experience
[01:04] <rhpot1991> I thought you couldn't play back with linux
[01:05] <ahave> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD
[01:05] <rhpot1991> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127036 thats my board
[01:06] <rhpot1991> this ram is cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034
[01:06] <rhpot1991> err wait, 2gb compared to 4gb
[01:06] <ahave> yea
[01:06] <ahave> 4GB just bc of XP on dual boot
[01:07] <rhpot1991> I think 2gb is more than enough for xp
[01:07] <rhpot1991> vista is a different story
[01:07] <rhpot1991> but if you have the cash why not
[01:07] <rhpot1991> the power supply in that case only has 2 sata plugs
[01:08] <rhpot1991> not sure if its an issue for you or not
[01:08] <ahave> also check out this inntel build http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=8417086
[01:08] <ahave> nah, dont plan on running too many hard drives on the front
[01:08] <ahave> how is that PS? any issues?
[01:08] <ahave> loud?
[01:08] <rhpot1991> nope
[01:08] <rhpot1991> I like antec ps's
[01:09] <rhpot1991> I've heard you can get quieter, but they are nice IMO
[01:09] <ahave> yea. i was looking at other cases that did not come with one, and i had a nice 80+ eff PS
[01:09] <ahave> but i liked this case, mostly the VFD and dual 120s
[01:09] <rhpot1991> ahave: did you check and see if any of that stuff comes in combos?
[01:10] <rhpot1991> I knocked $25 off of mine by comboing
[01:10] <ahave> rhpot1991, no actually...
[01:10] <ahave> hmm
[01:10] <rhpot1991> and another $10 with a email coupon code
[01:10] <ahave> would that be under 'combo deals'
[01:10] <rhpot1991> plus $50 in rebates
[01:10] <rhpot1991> ya on the laft side you can click view all by combos
[01:10] <rhpot1991> and see whats available
[01:10] <rhpot1991> do that for all parts, as they all combo differently
[01:10] <rhpot1991> mix and match and see how low you can get it
[01:11] <ahave> sweet. thanks
[01:11] <ahave> so were you able to get mythtv running nicely?
[01:11] <ahave> other than lirc
[01:20] <rhpot1991> seems to be, I just built it
[01:21] <rhpot1991> I have some firewire headaches as well, but I had those before building it
[01:25] <ahave> can you think of anything else i might need? this is my first build... i need to add thermal paste
[01:26] <rhpot1991> that fan I pasted is real good, and fits in there
[01:26] <rhpot1991> some thermal paste, I got artic silver 5
[01:27] <ahave> how is the noise for the whole system?
[01:29] <ahave> what about wire mess inside the case? do the orginal PS wires create a mess? is it worth getting ties
[01:29] <rhpot1991> seems good, I'm running it with the fans on quiet, and the fan on the heat sink, my cpu temp is +28.5°C while recording
[01:29] <rhpot1991> normally around 25 while idle
[01:30] <rhpot1991> it has 2 ties in it that you can hook the wires by where the hard drives are at
[01:30] <rhpot1991> the rest you can just push into the cpu bay
[01:30] <rhpot1991> s/cpu/cdrom/
[01:30] <ahave> 28.5C is quite low, right?
[01:31] <ahave> past 30 is getting warm?
[01:31] <rhpot1991> thats what I hear
[01:31] <rhpot1991> one of the other devs here has an amd64 thats up near 40
[01:33] <ahave> so there is nothing with your build that you would change if you could go back
[01:33] <rhpot1991> I'm annoyed by the IR, but that should work itself out
[01:34] <rhpot1991> sata cdrom might be a little noisy, but I haven't tried playing a dvd in it yet
[01:35] <rhpot1991> I think the black has a LCD in it where the silver has a VFD
[01:35] <ahave> oh yea?
[01:35] <ahave> hmm
[01:35] <rhpot1991> I saw a posting back in mid 07 saying the LCD wasn't functional in linux yet, that is quite some time ago though
[01:36] <ahave> your right, it is an LCD
[01:36] <rhpot1991> google seems to indicate it should work now
[01:36] <rhpot1991> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=710727
[01:36] <ahave> hmm. i just assumed it was the same as the silver
[01:37] <rhpot1991> looks like you need to do what I did, install lirc_imon with MCC
[01:37] <rhpot1991> install lcdproc with apt, then change the config to use the imon driver
[01:37] <rhpot1991> pretty easy
[01:37] <ahave> nice
[01:37] <ahave> what remote are you using?
[01:38] <rhpot1991> I got a mce remote that is supposed to work with it, but I only have it working with the usb adapter that came with the remote now
[01:38] <rhpot1991> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880100851
[01:38] <rhpot1991> came with a bundle with my mobo, thats the only reason I got it
[01:38] <ahave> would you recomend it? (have you been able to use it?)
[01:39] <rhpot1991> it works if you chose mce from MCC and plug in the IR adapter
[01:39] <rhpot1991> my hauppauge remote worked previously though as well, so if it wasn't for the case supposedly working with that remote I wouldn't have bought it
[01:39] <rhpot1991> are you putting a tuner in that?
[01:40] <ahave> maybe...
[01:40] <ahave> maybe 1
[01:40] <rhpot1991> most of the hauppauge tuners come with remotes
[01:40] <ahave> ah
[01:40] <rhpot1991> so it depends what you are putting into it
[01:40] <ahave> are you using a tuner?
[01:41] <rhpot1991> the mce ones work well though with the usb dongle
[01:41] <rhpot1991> I have a pvr-350 in one box, and a pvr-150 in another, as well as firewire to a STB
[01:41] <rhpot1991> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=570204
[01:41] <rhpot1991> read that over if you haven't
[01:43] <ahave> so you are using 2 tuners? or do you have a backend system?
[01:43] <rhpot1991> 2 backends, one with 2 tuners (counting firewire) and one with 1 tuner
[01:44] <ahave> nice
[01:44] <zo0o0ot_> hello
[01:44] <ahave> so are backends difficult to setup?
[01:45] <zo0o0ot_> does anyone use a pchdtv hd-3000 in here?
[01:45] <zo0o0ot_> or know how to get one working?
[01:45] <rhpot1991> ahave: its a bit daunting you first install, lots to configure
[01:45] <rhpot1991> but once you know what you are doing its easy
[01:45] <ahave> what if i do a front end?
[01:46] <ahave> or is it both front and back on the same sys?
[01:46] <rhpot1991> you can mix and match, but you really need a frontend somewhere and a backend somewhere to get the most out of it
[01:46] <rhpot1991> you can have multiples of each, they can be on the same system, or split
[01:46] <rhpot1991> I have 2 boxes each with a FE and BE
[01:47] <ahave> hm
[01:47] <rhpot1991> if you have one system and its powerful enough it makes sense to do both on it
[01:47] <ahave> how extensive does the backend need to be?
[01:47] <rhpot1991> thats what I am doing with that fusion
[01:47] <ahave> ah, ok
[01:47] <rhpot1991> which is almost the same as your, minus the 2x ram
[01:47] <rhpot1991> same exact cpu
[01:48] <ahave> yea, ram is abit over kill.  but for the price... 80$ for 4GB
[01:48] <ahave> might as well, lol
[01:48] <rhpot1991> my old master backend/frontend was an athlon 1900+, only reason I swapped it out was cause it couldn't play back HD well enough if it was doing anything else
[01:48] <ahave> what HD sources did you have/
[01:49] <rhpot1991> HD playback is a cpu killer, and I'd imagine bluray is as well
[01:49] <rhpot1991> firewire to a STB
[01:49] <ahave> ah
[01:49] <ahave> SitTobBox?
[01:49] <ahave> top*
[01:49] <rhpot1991> set top box
[01:49] <rhpot1991> motorola 3200 from comcast
[01:49] <ahave> and that allows PC interaction? or just access to the stream?
[01:49] <rhpot1991> just got my HD tv so I'm still messing with it, not really reliably recording all the channels right now
[01:50] <rhpot1991> it can change the channels and grab the stream over the firewire
[01:50] <ahave> nice
[01:50] <rhpot1991> it all depends on your cable company though, a lot of them encrypt the streams
[01:50] <ahave> comcast
[01:50] <rhpot1991> they are required to give you firewire access to the OTA locals, thats about it
[01:50] <rhpot1991> and even then sometimes they don't
[01:51] <ahave> i can plug in my cable to my HDTV and the sharp tuner can decode
[01:51] <rhpot1991> its hit or miss depending on your area
[01:51] <rhpot1991> ya I can do that too, with a few channels
[01:51] <rhpot1991> those channels you can get a HD tuner card to pick up
[01:51] <rhpot1991> a lot of people like the HDHR for that
[01:51] <rhpot1991> $150 if you shop around, and it has 2 HD/digital tuners
[01:52] <ahave> and that is external?
[01:52] <rhpot1991> yep, ethernet
[01:57] <ahave> so my board would need a second NIC?
[01:59] <directhex> needing more than one NIC for home use is exceedingly rare
[01:59] <rhpot1992> I think you can just attach it to your network
[02:00] <ahave> oh
[02:00] <rhpot1992> I don't have one though, so google
[02:00] <ahave> ok
[02:00] <rhpot1992> or find someone on here or in #mythtv-users who has one
[02:01] <ahave> for just a normal HD tv tuner.. does it only decode HD or can it do both?
[02:02] <rhpot1992> depends on the tuner, I think most only do HD (well) and some can do SD but don't have hardware encoding
[02:02] <rhpot1992> if you want SD get a hauppauge 150 or 500 if you want dual tuners
[02:03] <rhpot1992> they work out of the box, and normally come with remotes
[02:04] <ahave> not many seem to have remotes on newegg... only a certain few  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116628
[02:05] <ahave> nvm
[02:07] <ahave> and do you think my system would be powerfull enough to run mythtv back and front with TV tuners?
[02:08] <ahave> i prob just wont be able to decode HD at the same time..
[02:12] <rhpot1992> I haven't tested HD out much yet, but I've been told a high end amd64x2 can handle recording and playing back HD at the same time
[02:13] <rhpot1992> and with the hauppauge cards they have hardware encoding, so recording from them does practically nothing on the system
[02:13] <ahave> and you are using the onboard graphics?
[02:13] <rhpot1991> yep, seems to playback ok, but once again I just built it so I haven't gotten to mess with tweaking it much yet
[02:13] <ahave> yea
[02:13] <ahave> i am getting excited :)
[02:13] <rhpot1991> I wanted to reuse my old agp cared, but no one makes agp boards anymore
[02:14] <ahave> yea
[02:14] <a1fa_> woot
[02:14] <a1fa_> i am install mythbuntu on a 233mhz system
[02:14] <a1fa_> :P
[02:14] <a1fa_> touchscreen pos terminal
[02:14] <ahave> a1fa_, what will the function be?
[02:14] <a1fa_> playback only
[02:14] <rhpot1991> a1fa_: good luck playing back video on that
[02:15] <ahave> is it possible to configure a front end on a nintendo ds.. just to select media content?
[02:15] <a1fa_> why is that?
[02:15] <rhpot1991> ahave: not that I know of, 360 kinda does upnp
[02:15] <rhpot1991> you can run a frontend on a xbox 1
[02:16] <rhpot1991> a little slow if you run actual mythtv, but you can access the recordings though xbmc with upnp or some scripts that are similiar to the frontend
[02:16] <ahave> i was looking at the DS as an advanced remote..
[02:16] <ahave> what is upnp?
[02:17] <a1fa_> how many mhz is xbox?
[02:17] <rhpot1991> ~450 I think
[02:17] <rhpot1991> real low on ram though
[02:17] <a1fa_> so 233 mhz cant play video?
[02:17] <rhpot1991> I didn't say it can't just said good luck
[02:18] <rhpot1991> decent video card?
[02:18] <a1fa_> i got an xbox running xbmc.. i'd love to do mythtv so i can move that box inside my "server room"
[02:18] <rhpot1991> ahave: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UPnP
[02:19] <rhpot1991> a1fa_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend
[02:19] <ahave> ah,ok
[02:19] <a1fa_> lol
[02:19] <ahave> so is my DS remote idea too far off?
[02:20] <a1fa_> i'd love to stick with xbmc
[02:20] <rhpot1991> a1fa_: scroll down on that
[02:20] <rhpot1991> Install XBMC MythTV
[02:20] <a1fa_> it doesnt work
[02:20] <rhpot1991> how not?
[02:21] <a1fa_> well it didnt work with my svn
[02:21] <a1fa_> i am sure someone fixed it to work with 0.21
[02:21] <rhpot1991> I think that might be an issue
[02:21] <rhpot1991> have you tried doing upnp with xbmc?
[02:22] <a1fa_> why?
[02:23] <rhpot1991> might give you almost the same functionality as a frontend
[02:23] <a1fa_> not live tv
[02:23] <a1fa_> guide etc
[02:24] <mythwoo_> hello
[02:24] <mythwoo_> anyone using pchdtv hd-3000 tuner card?
[02:24] <mythwoo_> anyone here?
[02:25] <rhpot1991> a1fa_: you can install linux on it, but its a bit underpowered for that
[02:25] <rhpot1991> it runs, but its got a little bit of a delay
[02:27] <a1fa_> i'll just wait for someone to fix mythtv for xb,c
[02:43] <Aquahallic> evenin' folks
[02:43] <Aquahallic> I just took the mythtv update and now all my people are blue
[02:43] <Aquahallic> :/
[02:45] <Aquahallic> anyone else seen this problem??
[02:54] <ahave> rhpot1991, would it be wise to down size my hard drive used for the OS?
[02:54] <ahave> currently have a 320GB drive, would a 80GB cavalier work better?
[02:56] <ahave> caviar*
[02:58] <rhpot1991> your call, I don't go with smaller hard drives for speed, but I have some friends who do
[02:58] <rhpot1991> check out segate, they offer 5 year warranty's
[02:58] <rhpot1991> no additional cost, most WD's are 1 year or 3 anymore
[02:59] <ahave> i suppose i could always partition the 320
[03:00] <ahave> and you said the PS only has 2 SATA power cables?
[03:00] <rhpot1991> ya, there are only 2 HD slots in that case as well
[03:01] <ahave> ah,ok
[03:01] <rhpot1991> unless you are gonna throw one on top of the cdrom
[03:01] <rhpot1991> I got a sata dvd burner though, so I had to dig out an adapter
[03:02] <ahave> how many hard drives and of what size are you using?
[03:03] <rhpot1991> 400gb and 300gb sata, and a 1TB mybook in my master backend, I like to horde up BF deals though
[03:05] <ahave> BF?
[03:05] <rhpot1991> black friday
[03:05] <ahave> ah
[03:05] <ahave> do you backup 100% to the mybook?
[03:05] <rhpot1991> Hard Drive: This depends on what you want to record, and how much you want to keep at a time. I've seen around 1.7-2GB per 30 minutes of Standard Definition from a PVR-150. 6.4-7GB per hour of High-Def.
[03:06] <rhpot1991> thats for mythvideo and whatever I need it for
[03:06] <rhpot1991> no where near filled, but nice to have around
[03:06] <rhpot1991> I think 750gb is the best per gb price right now
[03:06] <rhpot1991> newegg has a segate for 150 after rebate
[03:08] <ahave> i was planning on holding out on storage purchases until i build the backend
[03:09] <rhpot1991> so thats gonna be a frontend only?
[03:09] <ahave> front and back until i build the backend
[03:09] <ahave> then it will be frontend only
[03:10] <ahave> then i will move all the tuners and HDs to a backend
[03:10] <rhpot1991> that machine is powerful enough to do both, so you can try that and see how it goes
[03:10] <rhpot1991> do you have any old boxes around now?
[03:10] <ahave> yea
[03:10] <ahave> amd K2 as a win2000 mp3 server
[03:11] <rhpot1991> what speed is that?
[03:11] <ahave> slow...
[03:11] <ahave> like 500 Mhz?
[03:12] <ahave> maybe less than that
[03:12] <ahave> the plan was just to build a backend
[03:13] <ahave> are mythtv backends needing anything specific?
[03:13] <rhpot1991> I was gonna say you could get a SD tuner and use that to play around with for now, but thats kinda weak for it
[03:13] <ahave> i was just thinking, pic slots, raid, and room for HDs
[03:13] <ahave> PCI*
[03:13] <rhpot1991> depends what you want to do with it, recording doesn't take much cpu, but things like transcoding your recordings does
[03:13] <ahave> yes. the pc is just too slow
[03:13] <tgm4883_laptop> 500mhz should be fine for a backend only with a hardware encoder
[03:13] <Aquahallic> does anyone know if the update for mythtv has new firmware for the pvr-150???
[03:14] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: might be borderline for playback depending on the video
[03:14] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: did I ever get you that mythweb config?
[03:14]  * rhpot1991 is forgetful today
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> well playback isn't going to be fun on that
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> no you didn't
[03:15] <ahave> is worthwhile to use data for DVD burner?
[03:16] <ahave> is there any gain in performance?
[03:18] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: struck out some info since thats available via the interweb, let me know if you need to verify anything in that
[03:18] <tgm4883_laptop> k
[03:18] <rhpot1991> ahave: you can backup recordings, or make dvd's that will play in dvd players with it
[03:19] <rhpot1991> plus sata burners are like $20 some now
[03:19] <ahave> but comparing to IDE, any gain?
[03:19] <ahave> other than the wire managment
[03:19] <rhpot1991> I'd say don't worry about it if you don't need one
[03:19] <tgm4883_laptop> if you already have ide, go ahead and keep it.  If you are going to buy new, get sata
[03:20] <rhpot1991> my one sticks so I replaced it
[03:20] <rhpot1991> was jamming dvd's in it
[03:20] <ahave> ick
[03:21] <ahave> well i think i will just buy an IDE, that way i free up a SATA power line
[03:21] <ahave> price diff is only 2$
[03:21] <rhpot1991> ahave: check and see if a retail box comes with a converter
[03:21] <rhpot1991> I had one laying around so it wasn't a big deal
[03:22] <rhpot1991> also you can prob get one for $2 on newegg
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> ahave, they usually come with a converter
[03:26] <ahave> i read a few reviews that mentioned needing a converter
[03:27] <rhpot1991> mine was OEM so thats why I didn't get one
[03:27] <ahave> but ill get the converter when i get the second HD
[03:27] <tgm4883_laptop> also, some drives have both connections
[03:27] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: was your volume real low on a fresh install?
[03:27] <ahave> mine is OEM also
[03:27] <rhpot1991> a few of my HD's have both, some don't
[03:28] <rhpot1991> hit or miss depending on how new they are it seems
[03:28] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[03:28] <tgm4883_laptop> it was the standard 70%
[03:29] <tgm4883_laptop> very important that if they have both, you do not hook up both
[03:31] <ahave> ok, i cant seem to think of anything else:   http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=5891325
[03:33] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: thats how my old was, but this one seems quiet, so I'm not sure what to adjust without distorting things, guess I'll play around
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> did you adjust any hardware?
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> check your audio cables
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> make sure they are all the way in
[03:34] <rhpot1991> ahave: I got a liteon lightscribe burner for slightly less than that, depends if you like samsung or not
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> i've heard/read/experienced bad things with the seagate 7200.10 drives
[03:35] <rhpot1991> actually I made that up
[03:35] <ahave> tgm4883_laptop, oh really?
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[03:35] <ahave> WD caviar be better?
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> i only buy seagate
[03:35] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: explain
[03:35] <ahave> 5400?
[03:36] <rhpot1991> the perpindicular ones?
[03:36] <tgm4883_laptop> i had a couple of the 500gb sata 7200.10 drives
[03:36] <tgm4883_laptop> the one in my backend was loud, sounded like crap (constant clicking) and seemed to be going out
[03:36] <tgm4883_laptop> so i pulled it
[03:36] <tgm4883_laptop> the other one is new
[03:37] <tgm4883_laptop> So my recommendation is to either
[03:37] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: odd, I have a segate 500gb, not sure its a perpendicular though
[03:37] <tgm4883_laptop> A) spend a little more and get a 7200.11 drive (i haven't heard anything about these)
[03:37] <tgm4883_laptop> B) get the drive anyway, cause seagate support is pretty good
[03:37] <rhpot1991> whats the difference between .10 and .11?
[03:38] <tgm4883_laptop> .01
[03:38] <ahave> cache size?
[03:38] <rhpot1991> whats that translate to though?
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> ohhh, 32mb cache
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> yum
[03:41] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd go with the drive you have
[03:41] <tgm4883_laptop> it will work
[03:41] <tgm4883_laptop> when it starts to go out, buy a new one and RMA the old one
[03:41] <ahave> yea
[03:41] <rhpot1991> 5 year on it
[03:41] <rhpot1991> also hard drives are hit or miss
[03:41]  * tgm4883_laptop loves seagate
[03:41] <rhpot1991> they all go bad eventually
[03:41]  * tgm4883_laptop makes a dog leg humping motion
[03:41] <rhpot1991> unless its a steal I go seagate anymore as well
[03:42] <rhpot1991> I used to like WD but they are getting cheap with their warranty now
[03:43] <ahave> ok, thanks rhpot1991, tgm4883_laptop. going to sleep now
[04:08] <Aquahallic> superm1 I see you posted on the "mythtv blue skin" problem with ATI... That looks like it's only if you're running the restricted driver... am I correct??
[04:09] <tuvook> cool, mythtv-status now shows the channel the shows will record from
[06:38] <tuvook> superm1, I fixed the issue with my missing /dev/video0
[06:39] <superm1> o?
[06:39] <superm1> what was it
[06:39] <tuvook> it was a hardware issue, where I borked my front usb connections to my mobo
[06:39] <superm1> nice
[06:39] <tuvook> :)
[06:40] <tuvook> I figured out how to tunnel mythweb via ssh, but my connection si too slow to stream the videos from my myth box though:(
[06:41] <tuvook> but its nice to know I can
[06:41] <superm1> tunneling stuff via ssh is a great thing
[06:41] <superm1> i end up having to do it on a daily basis
[06:41] <tuvook> totally
[06:42] <superm1> the -D switch is the best thing since peanut butter
[06:43] <tuvook> -D?
[06:43] <tuvook> I used -L
[06:43] <toorima> dynamic foreward
[06:43] <superm1> read about -D
[06:43] <superm1> it creates a socks proxy
[06:43] <toorima> great thing
[06:43] <toorima> .ssh/config is a great file
[06:44] <superm1> you cleraly haven't lived yet tuvook :)
[06:44] <tuvook> reading the manpage now
[06:45] <toorima> i have almost a 100 lines in .ssh/config hehe
[06:48] <tuvook> seems like -L and -D do the same thing, -L just allows the remote machine to forward a port to a port binding on the local machine?
[06:48] <toorima> -
[06:48] <tuvook> which allows me to see mythweb on my local host @ port 8080
[06:49] <toorima> yes
[06:49] <tuvook> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb_ssh_tunnel_howto
[06:49] <tuvook> just making sure I understand, thx
[06:49] <toorima> but -D will do dynamic forward, so if you don't know where the packet is going, say you want to tunnel torrent traffic
[06:50] <toorima> make your own proxy via ssh or something
[06:50] <tuvook> hmmm
[06:51] <toorima> sample   LocalForward 127.0.0.1:3000 127.0.0.1:3000
[06:51] <toorima>   DynamicForward 127.0.0.1:7777
[06:52] <superm1> or if you just want to send "general" web traffic over it you can
[06:52] <superm1> it's also possible to send the dns look ups
[06:52] <superm1> so that you can't be snooped on say an open wifi
[06:52] <toorima> local tells where the tunnel is and where to go after the tunnel, while dynamic only are told whre the tunnel is and then go where ever after the tunnel
[06:52] <toorima> or you have webfilter at work...
[06:53] <tuvook> ssh -L 8080:localhost:80 cflynn@mydomain.com
[06:53] <tuvook> so how would that line work with -D?
[06:54] <toorima> ssh -D 8080:localhost
[06:56] <tuvook> Bad dynamic port '8080:localhost'
[06:56] <tuvook> and you still need to login to the remote server?
[06:57] <toorima> well i never put the switches on the command line, i have my settings in .ssh/config but try ssh -D localhost:8080
[06:57] <tuvook> that does not work
[06:57] <tuvook> wait
[06:58] <tuvook> bad syntax
[06:58] <toorima> i just tried it
[06:58] <tuvook> that string brings up ssh help
[06:59] <superm1> isn't it just ssh -D 8080 $HOST?
[06:59] <toorima> ssh -D localhost:8080 -p 2222 host
[06:59] <superm1> it's implied that it's localhost i thought
[06:59] <toorima> but u can skip -p 2222 if u run on regular port
[07:00] <toorima> oh yeah u dont have to specify localhost
[07:00] <toorima> i just do it of old habbit
[07:01] <tuvook> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb_ssh_tunnel_howto
[07:01] <tuvook> qhy didn't the author use -D?
[07:02] <tuvook> and if he had, I'm trying to understand what the string would look like?
[07:02] <toorima> because he is specifying exactly where all the traffic should go
[07:03] <cbrunner> hey anyone here?
[07:05] <toorima> maybe
[07:05] <cbrunner> hey
[07:05] <cbrunner> ever since I upgrade to .21 tonight
[07:05] <cbrunner> I got it all working
[07:05] <cbrunner> but I cant select videos anymore
[07:05] <cbrunner> in myth front end
[07:05] <cbrunner> I cant select video settings, video manager, anything related to videos
[07:06] <superm1> cbrunner, sudo apt-get install mythvideo
[07:06] <superm1> that'll take care of it
[07:07] <superm1> mythdvd is now integrated with mythvideo and that's why
[07:07] <cbrunner> ok installing that
[07:07] <cbrunner> what does it have to do with mythdvd?
[07:08] <cbrunner> ah
[07:08] <cbrunner> works perfect now
[07:08] <cbrunner> sweet
[07:08] <superm1> see :)
[07:09] <cbrunner> how do I make it save the screen res
[07:09] <cbrunner> like
[07:09] <cbrunner> when I press W
[07:09] <cbrunner> I want it to be full
[07:09] <cbrunner> and do that every time
[07:18] <cbrunner> man the new mythweb is nice
[07:36] <superm1> i really have to wonder why all these people are hitting this mythdvd thing
[07:36] <superm1> mythvideo is marked as conflicts/replaces
[10:13] <directhex|work> superm1, apt-get upgrade, i suspect
[10:14] <directhex|work> superm1, upgrade won't obey conflicts/replaces, since it won't remove or add packages, just modify existing ones
[13:19] <Aquahallic> superm1: you around??
[13:32] <Aquahallic> anyone know if the videos directory changed with .21 update??
[13:34] <directhex|work> shouldn't do. that stuff's set in the DB, which shouldn't be changed in that way by the update
[13:34] <toorima> Aquahallic: after u done the update do sudo apt-get install mythvideo
[13:34] <toorima> if u cant access videos
[13:36] <Aquahallic> when I go to mythweb and click on videos it says "Could not create a symlink to var/lib/mythtv/videos create a symlink to your videos directory in data/video"
[13:38] <Aquahallic> I don't see a directory called data/videos though
[13:39] <directhex|work> look in /var/www/mythweb
[13:41] <Aquahallic> kewl... thanx... found it
[13:41] <Aquahallic> now all I have to fix is my "Blue People" on my frontend running on this laptop.....
[13:41] <Aquahallic> I used to like the smurfs when I was little but this it NUTS....LOL
[13:42] <directhex|work> ati?
[13:42] <Aquahallic> yeah
[13:42] <directhex|work> figures
[13:42] <Aquahallic> I found that hack out there... but I'm using the free driver
[13:43] <Aquahallic> looks like that hack is only for those using the restricted driver
[13:44] <Aquahallic> and I use Compiz on this laptop so soon as I put the restricted driver on everything goes haywire
[13:44] <directhex|work> ati do not support mythtv or compiz. there's problem number 1 with the restricted driver
[13:44] <Aquahallic> yeah I know
[13:44] <Aquahallic> sorry bastids
[13:45] <Aquahallic> only ATI card I have is on this laptop
[13:45] <Aquahallic> and it'll be the LAST one
[13:46] <Aquahallic> I was hoping that when AMD picked up ATI they would do something good with it
[13:47] <Aquahallic> .21 supports the flash streaming doesn't it??
[14:01] <directhex|work> Aquahallic, off by default for a few reasons, but yes
[14:07] <Aquahallic> kewl... I guess I can just stream to vlc or something on this laptop since the internal player on the frontend doesn't like my ATI... :(
[14:09] <Aquahallic> I wonder if there's a workaround for the free ATI driver????
[14:10] <directhex|work> tinker with the playback profiles
[14:25] <Aquahallic> directhex|work: I have 2 mythbuntu boxes that were 7.10... I just took the .21 update on them... would I be better off to just do the Hardy upgrade on them??
[14:25] <directhex|work> that's your choice. i upgraded to hardy on my laptop, but i think i'll wait on my other machines
[14:26] <directhex|work> the broken libc upgrade has me nervous
[14:26] <Aquahallic> ahh... good point
[14:26] <rhpot1991_laptop> libc6 got fixed the next day I think
[14:26] <rhpot1991_laptop> all is clear now
[14:27] <Aquahallic> one of mine have the nvidia-legacy drivers and my frontend bombs on it
[14:27] <rhpot1991_laptop> Aquahallic: as long as its 0.21 it doesn't matter what OS it is running on, they can see each other
[14:27] <Aquahallic> I saw that the legacy driver issue is fixed in Hardy
[14:28] <directhex|work> rhpot1991_laptop, i know it was fixed, that doesn't mean i don't have the right to be nervous though
[14:28] <directhex|work> rhpot1991_laptop, i know how mad the kernel guys go just before release
[14:28] <Aquahallic> anyone else using the nvidia legacy drivers?
[14:30] <rhpot1991_laptop> directhex|work: I completely agree, but thats never stopped me from breaking things before :)
[14:30] <directhex|work> rhpot1991_laptop, there's breaking things and there's breaking things
[14:31] <directhex|work> anyway, currently i'm pondering modifying Envy to build beta version drivers
[14:37] <Aquahallic> hrm... where did .20 house the video_covers??
[14:37] <Aquahallic> seems like that's a broken link too
[14:37] <Aquahallic> in mythweb
[14:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> just go fix it yourself
[14:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> if you aren't using the default dirs I think it breaks
[14:38] <Aquahallic> I was using /var/lib/mythtv
[14:38] <Aquahallic> that dir is mounted to my 500 gig drive
[14:38] <Aquahallic> but I don't see where it was keeping my covers before....:/
[14:39] <rhpot1991_laptop> check ~/.mythtv
[14:39] <Aquahallic> I see lots of .png files in my recordings dir
[14:39] <Aquahallic> hmmm.. k
[14:39] <rhpot1991_laptop> there is a subdir in there that it uses for them by default now
[14:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> those .png files are just previews of the recordings
[14:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> also you can set where it keeps the covers in the setup menu
[14:43] <Aquahallic> ok... WTF... I just opened a term and sudo -s and then ran Thunar
[14:43] <Aquahallic> when I go into my home dir and find my user... there's NUTTIN' in that dir but desktop
[14:44] <directhex|work> Aquahallic, you used sudo. the user is root
[14:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> also its .mythtv, hidden dir
[14:45] <Aquahallic> right... but if you path to the user's that logs into mythtv you should see it as root
[14:45] <Aquahallic> must be a filter in thunar that doesn't show hidden files
[14:46] <Aquahallic> I found it by cli with ls -a
[14:46] <Aquahallic> :)
[14:46] <Aquahallic> still no cover art though...
[14:47] <Aquahallic> actually... now that I think about it.. I may not have even used it before...LOL
[14:47] <Aquahallic> so the dir may not even be there... The video folder is all the kid's movies and stuff so I was never in there really... have to ask the g'friend if they were there before
[14:48] <Aquahallic> I guess I could just make a dir called video_covers and then link it.. couldn't I?? then then just start popping my covers in there
[14:54] <rhpot1991_laptop> yep
[14:54] <rhpot1991_laptop> the search will get covers for you automagically if they are found
[14:54] <rhpot1991_laptop> I prefer not to put my covers in the actual video directory, as the video manager will start to slurp them up
[14:55] <Aquahallic> there's already a symlink in my data dir.. how can see what the symlink is to now??
[14:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> ls -la will show you
[14:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> just make a new one to the new directory
[14:55] <Aquahallic> can I edit that symlink or do I need to delete it and create a new one?
[14:56] <rhpot1991_laptop> I've always deleted and made a new
[14:56] <Aquahallic> yeah
[14:56] <Aquahallic> I just did that
[14:56] <Aquahallic> good idea about a different dir too...;)
[14:57] <Aquahallic> no need for it to parse those files when scanning for new videos
[14:57] <Aquahallic> I guess myth creates a pointer in the db between the video file and the cover art.. .right?
[14:58] <rhpot1991_laptop> you can tell it not to include unknown files, but I think the image files are on by default and I'm not sure if that effects things like slideshows if you disable it
[14:58] <rhpot1991_laptop> there is a covers column in the videos database, it will put the name in there
[14:59] <directhex|work> Aquahallic, right
[15:40] <Riddell> is mythbuntu ready for beta candidate CDs?
[18:18] <MythbuntuGuest07> hello, where can i download mythubuntu ? all links on http://www.mythbuntu.org/downloads doesn,t work.
[18:29] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest07: do you have javascript disabled?
[18:33] <MythbuntuGuest07> no
[18:34] <MythbuntuGuest07> at the torret i got: Can't find torrent file!
[18:34] <MythbuntuGuest07> at the other files onely en empty page
[18:35] <MythbuntuGuest07> firefox errorlog shows:Fehler: urchinTracker is not defined
[18:36] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest07: just get a direct download, I think the torrent is broken
[18:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest07: http://mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso
[18:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> use that
[18:37] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest07, did you have this issue a few days ago?
[18:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> or this if you are amd64:
[18:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> http://mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-7.10-amd64.iso
[18:37] <MythbuntuGuest07> all files i think the java script is not working
[18:38] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest07, can you test one thing for me?
[18:38] <tgm4883_laptop> http://www.mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-7.10-amd64.iso
[18:38] <MythbuntuGuest07> i have now manually copied the link in the java script http://us-ut.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso an this link is working
[18:38] <tgm4883_laptop> can you test the link i posted?
[18:39] <MythbuntuGuest07> i only got en empty page at your link
[18:39] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[18:40] <tgm4883_laptop> is that the same you get with the links on the page?
[18:40] <MythbuntuGuest07> yes
[18:41] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, thanks for verifying that for me
[18:42] <MythbuntuGuest07> its just the javascript forwarding to the real download who doesent work
[18:42] <MythbuntuGuest07> i have that problem on two WinXP PCs with firefox 2 and 3 beta
[18:44] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest07, yea, i've seen that problem 2 times in the last week.  It's very strange
[18:44] <tgm4883_laptop> for 99.9% of the people it works fine
[18:45] <MythbuntuGuest07> the firefox web developer tools shows an java script error with a uruchin script
[18:46] <MythbuntuGuest07> oh i  have found the problem
[18:46] <MythbuntuGuest07> when addblock plus is running it doesnt work to download
[18:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> tgm4883_laptop: I'd lean towards an extension
[18:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest07: what is your ABP source?
[18:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> I run it as well and don't have a problem
[18:49] <MythbuntuGuest07> i use this filter: http://maltekraus.de/Firefox/adblock_site-specific-elemhiding.txt
[18:50] <rhpot1991_laptop> I use easy list and easy element
[18:50] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest07: can you identify the rule that is causing that?
[18:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> that or make an exception rule for @@|http://www.mythbuntu.org/
[18:53] <MythbuntuGuest04> I cannot access Video Directory / Video Manager after a fresh install of Mythbuntu 7.10.  Is this a known issue and what would the fix be?
[18:55] <pdragon> do an apt-get install mythvideo
[18:55] <pdragon> that doesn't get upgraded if you do a regular update to .21
[18:55] <MythbuntuGuest07> its a rule witch blocks http://www.google-analytics.com/urchin.js
[18:56] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest07: thats not for the downloads though, thats the just the google analytics stats
[18:57] <rhpot1991_laptop> keeps track of hits and so on
[18:57] <MythbuntuGuest07> yes but it couse a java script error
[18:57] <MythbuntuGuest07> becouse of that the forward script is never executed
[18:57] <MythbuntuGuest04> Thanks pdragon...  Must be a new issue as I havent had to do this in the past.
[18:58] <MythbuntuGuest07> a html redirect could sole this
[18:58] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest04: you have to do that cause it removes mythdvd which is now included in mythvideo
[19:00] <MythbuntuGuest04> Ok, so installing a fresh copy of 7.10 is installing .21 of MythTV now...  Was not aware.
[19:01] <MythbuntuGuest04> And I was reading there is a problem with IMDB; has that been repaired yet?
[19:02] <MythbuntuGuest07> cu
[19:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest04: well the initial install will do 0.20.2, but if you upgrade it will grab 0.21 from backports, so you can disable them in /etc/apt/sources.list if you don't want them
[19:04] <MythbuntuGuest04> Already installed :)...  I didnt think they were giving it to everyone.  Figured one would need to change the sources.list to GET it.  Any input on IMDB not pulling movie information?
[19:07] <MythbuntuGuest04> LOADING... continues to hang on Video Manger..
[19:07] <MythbuntuGuest04> Unable to pull IMDB title information
[19:07] <rhpot1991_laptop> verify your versions all match
[19:08] <rhpot1991_laptop> dpkg -l myth* |grep ^ii
[19:10] <directhex> and make sure you aren't using 0.20.2, iirc imdb.pl broke
[19:11] <rhpot1991_laptop> imdb lookup worked fine for my 0.21 box last night via the frontend
[19:12] <MythbuntuGuest04> what is the check for imdb.pl
[19:13] <MythbuntuGuest04> MythStream is 18.1...   All others are pertinant to this are at 21.0
[19:13] <MythbuntuGuest04> Did you reboot after *mythvideo?
[19:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> you should restart your frontend at least, backend wouldn't hurt either
[19:18] <MythbuntuGuest04> I did...  Here is the strange thing, maybe new... I have a remote connection which is loading the movie database.  In the past, it would work in the background.  Maybe, since the movies are not ALL copied "loading" appears at the top.  Just a guess.  I am able to pull movie information using the "search" command.  However, unable to use the "manual" feature will not.  Have the black box to enter IMDB #, but will not display/allow type.  BU
[19:21] <MythbuntuGuest04> Must mention, the "search" is working MUCH better than it did in the past...
[19:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> I haven't tried typing the number in manually, can't tell you if that works or not
[19:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> why copy them, why not just use an nfs or samba share?
[19:27] <MythbuntuGuest04> Its an idea, just dont want to host using my work machine.  Use extra space for backup.
[19:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> well using a share would only have one copy of them instead of 2 if you are copying them around
[19:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> so that should give you move space
[19:30] <MythbuntuGuest04> You think...  Just one of my fail-safe methods, prob doesnt make much sence to most.  But, do think I will migrate to NAS eventually...
[19:31] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest04, mythstream is not an official plugin
[19:32] <MythbuntuGuest04> Can someone check Video manager and see if they can use the MANUAL feature (looking up movies).  Also, curious if option to edit movie title NAME is an option.
[19:50] <MythbuntuGuest04> rhpot1991: I have been thinking about what you said, NFS or Samba...  Say I used that, would it save the movie poster/information on the network drive or remain on the Backend server.  Also, could I set this up to ONLY host movies, but record to the Backend machine?  Reason being, is I dont have enough space to do everything on my Work PC.  Additionlly, dont want recordings going on in the background.
[19:52] <nwahmaet> does anyone know why mythbuntu is compiled without opengl?
[19:54] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest04: you can do whatever you want with it pretty much, what you do with an nfs share is mount it to a directory
[19:54] <rhpot1991_laptop> for instance, I record recordings to both backends locally, and then have videos on one that are shared out to the other backend
[19:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> and a separate share for the covers
[19:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> since they are in separate directories
[19:56] <MythbuntuGuest04> Nice....  That WOULD work for my setup.  Is there a walk-through guide on this?  Have not setup an NFS or Samba before (old roomate was the Linux guru).
[19:57] <rhpot1991_laptop> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[19:57] <rhpot1991_laptop> that is pretty good IIRC
[19:59] <MythbuntuGuest04> looks like a little work, but I think I will set this up... THANKS rhpot1991; good information.
[20:00] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest04: its not too bad, just gotta create the shares on your local box, and then throw them in /etc/fstab
[20:00] <rhpot1991_laptop>  /etc/fstab on the remote box that is
[20:14] <Bittarman> Is mythbuntu usefull without a tv-card, or is it really only any good as a pvr?
[20:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> Bittarman: you can add recordings by hand, or use mythvideo
[20:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> but it isn't as useful then
[20:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> might want to look at something like xbmc in that case as the functionality is almost the same
[20:16] <Bittarman> Cheers.
[20:16] <tgm4883_laptop> unless you plan on adding a tv card later
[20:17] <rhpot1991_laptop> good point tgm4883_laptop
[20:17] <Bittarman> not really. i mostly want it for music, and the occasional film maybe.
[20:17] <tgm4883_laptop> elisa would also be a good option for a non pvr media center
[20:17] <Bittarman> cool. Thanks
[20:18] <rhpot1991_laptop> tgm4883_laptop: is elisa in apt?
[20:18] <rhpot1991_laptop> yep, it is
[22:06] <Riddell> so no mythbuntu developers about?
[22:08] <directhex> they're all hiding
[22:12] <tgm4883_laptop> Riddell, the answer to your question is no.  it' wont be in that state until at least Thursday
[22:13] <Riddell> tgm4883_laptop: in what state?
[22:13] <tgm4883_laptop> beta state
[22:13] <tgm4883_laptop> i assume thats what your wanting to know
 is mythbuntu ready for beta candidate CDs?
[22:14] <Riddell> tgm4883_laptop: ok, we'll leave it out of the beta process then
[22:14] <tgm4883_laptop> Riddell, what beta process?
[22:14] <Riddell> the one we're doing now to release beta on thursday
[22:14] <tgm4883_laptop> oh sec, i thought you were just a regular user asking if we had beta iso's yet
[22:15] <Riddell> no, I'm a release manager asking if someone is managing the mythbuntu beta release
[22:16] <tgm4883_laptop> ah, let me grab someone
[22:17]  * laga waves
[22:17] <laga> so, what's up with the beta?
[22:17] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, <Riddell> is mythbuntu ready for beta candidate CDs?
[22:17]  * tgm4883_laptop goes back to work
[22:18] <Riddell> laga: looks like there are CDs to be tested, is somone testing them?
[22:18] <laga> Riddell: cdimage.ubuntu.com currently only builds our alternate disks which haven't received much love yet.. i'm testing one as we speak
[22:19] <laga> Riddell: i assume you're referring to those disks.
[22:19] <laga> we build the live disks ourselves
[22:19] <Riddell> laga: ok, are the alternates going to be releaed by us with beta?
[22:19] <Riddell> or do we just ignore them and let you get on with it?
[22:20] <laga> Riddell: no, we basically have our own release cycle
[22:20] <Riddell> ok, easier for us then :)
[22:20] <laga> great :)
[22:20] <Riddell> let me know if you need packages approved or new CDs built or whatever
[22:21] <laga> Riddell: you don't happen to have some tipps for udeb debugging? ;)
[22:21] <laga> Riddell: cool, thanks.
[22:21] <Riddell> not really, udebs scare me, possibly evand the installer maintainer would
[22:21] <directhex> udebs scare me too
[22:23] <laga> heh
[22:23] <laga> well, i never got to the point where i could try the udeb. virtualbox usually hung earlier, but now it's looking good..
[22:24] <Daviey> Riddell: If of course the ubuntu-testing team doesn't have enough work <grin>, then we would appreciate some extra love - i'm sure!
[22:25] <laga> why did i have to mention it.. vbox is hanging now
[22:26] <Daviey> Riddell: something else... currently we maintain our own mirrors for livecd (this will be our first alt' release, and first one of either on cdimages .. so i guess mirrored around on ubuntu mirrors ..).  I'm trying to think what direction our mirroring should go in.
[22:29] <Riddell> Daviey: I should think since we host alternate daily's we can host alternate releases on cdimage (but I'm not the expert there, slangasek and #canonical-sysadmin are)
[22:30] <Daviey> slangasek is UK timezone?
[22:30] <Daviey> Riddell: ^
[22:30] <Riddell> Daviey: he's US
[22:30] <Riddell> I'm UK
[22:31] <Daviey> UK++
[22:31] <Daviey> Riddell: thanks