[00:00] hey folks - running 7.10 xubuntu, and was curious; how do I change the app that gets launched when I put an audio CD in my PC? [00:00] can't find anything under "Preferred Applications" [00:08] try File Manager Preference >> Advanced >> configure [00:09] gkahla, then multimedia [00:09] ron_o- you are correct, sir! [00:10] that's where it was... [00:10] thanks! I owe you a beer [00:10] a 60 Minute DogFish Head will do just fine.:) [00:11] that's a new one on me, but for sure - thanks again! [00:12] Three Floyds Oak Aged Dark Lord Russian Imperial Stout is way better!!11 [00:19] wow - that's an impressive name for a brew. Can't say I've tried that one either... [00:20] ron_o, Stroganoff - I've confirmed the new config works great! thanks again - later! [00:21] useless highlight ftw ^^ [00:21] Stroganoff, sounds like a very rich beer to me. [00:21] sometimes richness isn't necessarily better. [00:21] and I'm not a big stout drinker either. :) [00:22] then how about Westvleteren Abt 12? [00:22] nahh.. I just drink DogFish Head. [00:23] why change when you're satisfied? [00:23] plus, it's a local brewery. I can always get it at a good cost. [00:24] I just had this: http://www.dogfish.com/brewings/Occasional_Rarities/Palo_Santo_Marron/51/index.htm [00:25] I didn't really like it all that much. It was OK. Great I'd say for just 12%abv.. you could barely taste the alcohol.. [00:25] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/3/36/Sternburg_Export.jpg [00:25] nuff said [00:25] however, I didn't taste any vanilla or caramel like many said. My palate maybe isn't that sensitive. [00:26] but it usually takes like 12 beers or more (at different stages and times) to really taste the finer ingredients of beer. [00:26] i'm allergic to gluten so i almost forgot the taste of beer, sorry :)) [00:26] :) [00:26] sorry to hear. [00:27] Palo Santo Marron, even though it's described as a 'brown ale' I liken it to a stout.. it's dark, but not frothy like a lot of better stouts. [00:27] i was just quoting http://www.ratebeer.com/Ratings/Ratings-Top50.asp [00:28] ahh, :) [00:28] those ratings can be helpful, but me thinks they are mostly BS. complex beers can ruin a good night for the average drinke. [00:28] drinker* [00:35] BTW, I'm sure there are gluten free beers out there. [00:45] there are [00:47] but naturally quite expensive [00:48] not free as in beer HAHAHA [00:48] oh wow [01:43] Evening all === sigbj0dn is now known as siggjen [02:05] Good evening [02:41] Hello [02:41] What is the difference between xubuntu and regular ubuntu [02:41] ??? [02:43] Hello there? [02:43] eteran [02:43] Dissentor [02:43] Anyone there? [02:44] nope [02:44] ubuntu uses gnome [02:44] xubuntu uses xfce [02:44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu [02:44] Thanks much [02:45] ah, so xubuntu is for older computers/better performance on faster computers, right? [02:45] yes [02:45] OK then, that solves that. Thanks === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [08:39] Hello, can anyone help me with connecting a Windows PC to my Xubuntu PC please? [08:55] Nevermind. Just worked it out. === Stryk is now known as Dissentor [11:28] my xserver-xorg hates me [11:28] ATI Radeon Xpress 200M [11:28] latest xubuntu [11:28] can't get fglrx working [12:48] hello, everyone. [12:49] !hi [12:49] Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [12:50] I'm a rookie for linux. But really interesting in it. [12:50] Now I installed xubuntu. I like it very much. [12:51] horry, great :) [12:52] horry, if you have an issue just ask :) [12:54] ere4si, I have one issue. [12:54] k [12:54] I can't make my FF support flash in 64bit version. [12:54] But 32bit version can do that. [12:57] horry, a 64bit os needs apps written for it - maybe adobe has a 64bit flash ready - I don't know - sorry [12:57] I don't think it does [12:57] it has not [12:58] adobe have not a 64bit one. [12:58] horry, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash#amd64andppc for info. [12:59] hm it states that for Gutsy it should work with "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" [12:59] horry, until more people use 64bit apps won't be written for it- until apps are written for 64bit people won't use it... [13:01] my 64bit version could play youtube, but can't play youku which like youtube need flash9. [13:01] you can get flash to work on 64-bit with a wrapper for the plugin [13:02] Is there any program to change the icons? [13:02] horry, it might need the shockwave flash plugin [13:02] eifzon: its in the preferences control panel [13:02] maxamillion: I dont use xubuntu tho :P [13:02] ere4si, how to install it? [13:02] eifzon: you can select your icon theme in settings->user interface settings [13:03] TheSheep: is there a command for it in terminal? [13:03] eifzon: xfce-setting-show ui [13:03] is that name of the program to dl? [13:04] horry, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:7 - and scroll down for it [13:04] eifzon: dl? [13:04] TheSheep: download [13:04] eifzon: i don't either [13:04] eifzon: no, that's the command to bring up the user interface settings dialog of xfce [13:04] TheSheep: I dont got that command [13:05] eifzon: then your xubuntu install is broken [13:05] I dont use xubuntu :P [13:05] just asked here cause xfce was dead [13:05] TheSheep, he doesn't use xubuntu [13:05] eifzon: then you should ask on the support channel of whatever distribution you're using, they might be much better informed [13:05] TheSheep: its still the same programs [13:06] eifzon: apparently not [13:06] but I have to download it to [13:06] what distribution do you use? [13:06] arch [13:07] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#Commands_for_the_settings_manager [13:07] you're doing it wrong [13:07] Stroganoff: i use debian, fedora, centOS, arch, and sidux ... depending on what machine i am sitting infront of [13:08] doing what wrong [13:08] Who is using Skype? [13:09] actually i wiped arch off that one machine .... so 86 that one [13:09] Stroganoff: how can I install just that package [13:09] !skype [13:09] To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto [13:10] eifzon, i suppose: pacman -S xfce4-mcs-manager [13:11] yah it worked [13:11] how do I change icon theme now? [13:12] eifzon: xfce-setting-show ui [13:12] "xfce-setting-show" alone should bring up the control panel [13:12] Xfce Settings Manager error: No such plugin "ui" [13:15] and just "xfce-setting-show"? [13:15] what happens? [13:15] that works [13:15] a menu to choose what browser mail etc [13:15] terminal [13:15] sigh, you need to install the mcs-plugins too [13:15] http://archlinux.org/packages/ [13:15] name of it? [13:16] if only i knew ^^ [13:16] pacman -S xfce-mcs-plugins [13:16] thats it [13:16] maybe i should start using arch myself ;) [13:16] just kind of a side note, this is not #archlinux [13:17] Stroganoff: arch pwn [13:17] or arch users should ask in #arch [13:17] btw same error Stroganoff [13:17] do I need the svn to [13:18] !topic > eifzon [13:18] eifzon lets continue in the other channel [13:18] ok [13:20] thank you [13:20] brb [13:30] back [14:01] well then... [14:01] I have a really slow computer that had Windows 98 on it. I installed Windows XP because the hardware support was incomplete and the OS was destroyed by someone randomly deleting stuff. Windows XP supports the hardware better, but is slower and of course it is very insecure. I installed Xubuntu, but it is at least 10 times as slow as Windows XP. What steps can I take to remedy this? [14:02] xchat was giving a beep for every letter typed - so I rebooted [14:02] And also whenever I go to Terminal it logs me off [14:03] SubOne: what is the hardware? [14:04] It is a Compaq Presario 5834 with 64mb ram, (1mb shared video?) and around 500mhz [14:06] first thing it does is load for 10 mins and then it settles into an update manager that sits there and does nothing [14:07] as far as i can tell i have the correct video driver [14:09] SubOne: you may need the alternate cd - you don't have the memory for the live cd [14:09] i have already installed from the alt cd [14:09] this is not an installation issue it is already installed [14:09] but it is uber slow [14:09] and i dot see why [14:10] 64mb memory SubOne [14:11] and? you are telling me that Xubuntu cannot outperform Windows 98 under these circumstances? [14:11] or even windows xp? windows xp is at least 10 times faster than that [14:11] that this* [14:11] than* this lol [14:13] ok well lets take this a step at a time [14:13] xp "from the m$ site needs 512mb ram" [14:14] are you telling me i am lying? [14:14] yep [14:14] windows xp runs fine on this machine [14:14] and.. [14:14] i dont care what the website says [14:15] reality [14:15] wow... [14:15] have a look [14:15] i cannot believe i am recieving this level of ignorance in this channel [14:16] 64mb and complaining is ignorance [14:16] apparently you are the room goat so i will commence ignoring you [14:16] anyone else that is awake i welcome your suggestions [14:17] and I have a resource summary report in pdf format that Windows XP has provided me (for hardware specs) [14:21] hows' ignoring me going SubOne - 64mb is very limited these days - google it - I wasn't trying anything but honesty [14:22] no you are calling me a liar and i do not take that well [14:22] anyone that is interested in helping me, here are the specs per windows XP: http://pastebin.com/m401b972b [14:25] SubOne: if xp works for you on that system you are lucky and I congratulate you and wish you equal luck in the future [14:26] ere4si: are you the newbie in the room or what? What don't you understand about I prefer *buntu [14:26] i refuse to believe that Windows XP can perform better than Xubuntu [14:27] SubOne: you are right - I agree that you are right - you need not consider my comments anymore - sorry [14:27] You may now be assured that the moment you called me a liar I ceased to consider your opinions. [14:28] why respond then? [14:28] Because I am civil. [14:28] "Ignoring you" should be read "ignoring your opinions" [14:29] and I appreciate that SubOne - pls read the ms site for min xp specs [14:30] ere4si: Apperently you cannot read very well. [14:30] "128 megabytes (MB) of RAM or higher recommended (64 MB minimum supported; may limit performance and some features)" [14:30] "PC with 300 megahertz or higher processor clock speed recommended; 233 MHz minimum required (single or dual processor system);* Intel Pentium/Celeron family, or AMD K6/Athlon/Duron family, or compatible processor recommended" [14:30] My system meets these requirements. [14:31] And Windows XP runs just fine with select services turned off including Themes [14:32] SubOne: again - you're right - I am wrong - you win - pls move to a new topic [14:32] I chose not to move to a new topic. My topic is and always has been getting Xubuntu to run more efficiently on this machine. [14:33] hi [14:35] SubOne: you can control services that run with the app sysvrc-rc-conf that is available in the repos [14:35] First thing first, I need to determine why running a terminal logs me out and/or crashes X [14:36] And why Update Manager just hangs [14:37] SubOne: off hand I can't say - /var/log may tell something... [15:05] Anyone that can help me solve this slow Xubuntu issue may view the details and post a reply here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4539028#post4539028 [15:07] SubOne: from that thread - edit: opps, missed the part about 64meg of RAM, that might do it as Xubuntu wants at least 128 [15:09] That is discouraging that Xubuntu cannot outperform Windows XP in ANY case. [15:11] imo xubuntu outpreforms windows xp EVERY time [15:11] vidd: than perhaps you could post your opinion of my situation here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4539083&posted=1#post4539083 [15:12] SubOne: I feel for you - the only xp I could get running on 64mb ram was micro xp - it couldn't even change wallpapers... [15:13] ere4si: I feel your pain, however, I have no input as to why Windows XP runs so smoothly on this machine, but it does. [15:14] SubOne: if you don't print - turn off cups etc - will improve performance on such an underpowered machine [15:16] ere4si: where would i find that [15:16] SubOne: I use the server install with fluxbox as window manager and minimal apps - still uses 50_mbs [15:17] with nothing running [15:17] *50+mb [15:23] * SubOne is attempting to cannabilize another machine for parts [15:29] SubOne: It seems in this instance that xp will run better than xubuntu ( Even though I hate to say it ) Xubuntu's own site says " Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM". [15:37] you need to have more ram [15:38] good thing you have all that hd space on that machine....gives xp all that swap space to crawl to life [15:38] give xubuntu 20 gig of swap and it might boot too [15:39] sorry...10 gig swap [15:39] thats what you have available to xp [15:40] ha! @vidd true - I think in this case its all about the memory. The more the better. The last time I had a box with 64 MB it was on a P166 with win 98 ( shutter ).. [15:44] the swap file on XP is only 256mb [15:45] windows uses all free hard drive space as swap [15:45] that is not true, where did you hear this? [15:46] from my microsoft certification cource [15:47] well im afraid they taught you incorrectly [15:47] where did you hear that it doesnt use all avaiable hard drive space? [15:48] by experience [15:48] you can clearly set the page file minimum size, maximum size, location, and whether or not to use one at all, and the performance changes to confirm these manipulations [15:49] for example on my laptop i dual boot with Windows XP and I have 2gb of ram and I use no paging at all [15:51] there is a significant change in system speed when that change is made and all of the operating system is loaded into physical ram [15:53] although I'm sure it is possible to use the whole hard drive if you so choose, but that would cause all sorts of issues [15:54] yes...and if there is only 64 MB of ram (half the recommendation for XP) then the windows kernel takes all available hard drive space and uses it as swap [15:54] Show me proof of your claim. [15:54] that is one of the main reasons that windows needs to be defragged so often [15:55] it also explains why there is drastic speed increase with more ram....less swapping on the available hard drive space [15:56] Over time, as you add more stuff to an XP machine, you will notcie significant decrease in effeciency as the available swap space is taken up by stiored files, until such time there is no more swap available [15:56] You are correct that more RAM will cause less page file usage in general, however this does not go to prove your theory. [15:56] tell you waht...you want proof? [15:56] Yes please. [15:57] fill your hard drives up so there is only 1 gig of available hard drive space and watch xp fail to boot [15:57] !ot [15:57] #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [15:58] I've heard they are having fun on ##windows :) [15:58] vidd: I have done that many times. It is not difficult to do so with such a small hdd [15:58] im done discussing it' [15:58] TheSheep: you are welcome to respond to my query about Xubuntu if you like. [15:59] vidd: please provide me with non-emperical proof of your claims. [15:59] SubOne: unfortunatelly it got scrolled out of my backlog because of your discussion about xp :) [15:59] Anyone that can help me solve this slow Xubuntu issue may view the details and post a reply here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4539028#post4539028 [16:00] ADD MORE RAM [16:01] vidd: thank you but your opinion has already been heard and I am in the process of doing so [16:01] thats all you need to do [16:01] brb [16:01] its not an opion, it is fact [16:02] your system does not meet the minimum requirements to run xubuntu [16:02] SubOne: slowness can be cause by low ram, the terminal crashing your x session is an old bug in the xfce4-terminal, you can work around it by setting your screen color depth to 16 bits (it will also save some ram) [16:02] Maybe go with fluxubuntu or as others stated in the thread that you posted DSL or Puppy? [16:30] 128mb installed... booting to windows 98 for test before xubuntu install... [16:31] er... 120mb... odd [16:34] is 128mb ram enough for xubuntu? [16:35] some have said \yes some have said no [16:36] "Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM." [16:36] "The Alternate Install CD only requires you to have 64 MB RAM." [16:36] confusing [16:38] the alt cd only needs 64 mb of ram because you can use it to install ubuntu-cli-only [16:38] what is that? [16:38] if you have no desktop environment, you can run 64MB ram [16:38] ah [16:39] so then you recommend puppy linux? [16:40] i recomend more ram....i have used debian, suse, *buntu and fedora (for 15 minutes) so I have no experience with the ultra-light distros [16:40] SubOne: running puppy linux is not something i would suggest you run on a computer as its main OS ... puppy is a good liveCD but nothing more [16:41] SubOne: if you use a base install of debian and built it from the ground up, you can do it with 64mb of ram [16:42] i have 120MB now [16:43] what about damn small? [16:52] i am attempting install of Xubuntu just for the hell of it and if it doesnt go well i will try DSL [16:53] I cannot recommend a micro distribution as I never used them [16:56] i should think (as maxamillion suggested) installing a cli-only debian and use aptitude to install a desktop would be better [16:56] but I dont know how comfortable you are with that [17:04] heh...im not sure how comfortable I would be with that! [17:06] cli = command line only install ? [17:11] yes [17:41] wtf the xubuntu cd was booting a minute ago now it gets to the "loaiding linux kernel" and reboots [17:41] performing a memcheck [17:42] how long does a xubuntu memtest last? [17:49] wtf, even if i try to check cd for defects it reboots [17:49] hmmm its intermittent [18:34] ahh [18:34] at last [18:34] I would need help doing a fresh install of: Windows Vista, and Xubuntu. [18:35] I've never done partitioning. [18:42] Askarii, is the windows already installed? [18:46] it is atm [18:46] but im doing a clean whipe [18:46] so i'll be doing everything from scratch [18:47] so install windows first, and when windows is installing you should be able to choose how much diskspace you want for it [18:47] I wont have to partition as im installing windows? [18:48] you do yes, but you don't have to create the linux partitions [18:48] alright [18:48] just create a single partition for window that is as big as you want it to be [18:48] so basically I just begin my install, split my harddrive 50/50, finish installing vista, then install Xubuntu on the second partition and everything is fine? [18:48] You will want at least 3-4GB for linux, maybe a lot more if you plan on using it [18:48] I plan on using linux as my main OS [18:49] yes, that sounds like what you want to do [18:49] Is it possible for Vista and Xubunut partitions to communicate with each-other? [18:49] yes, but it is tricky [18:49] actually...its easy [18:49] okay, so its not automatic.. [18:49] hmm [18:49] it would be practicle I think [18:49] on the linux side you need to use something called ntfs3g, and on the windows you will need to install an ext3 driver [18:50] set up a partition during the linux install...set it to fat32 format and both can use it easily [18:50] okay, so its not something I need to setup as I install, i can make it work even after both installs are done? [18:50] yeh, are there chances i'll be running bigger then 4g files on xubuntu? [18:50] i've never used linux before [18:51] of course the problem I have with fat32 is that it you can't have files larger then 4GB which is horrible if you are ripping dvds, have large backups of computers, etc [18:51] yeh.. [18:51] I don't rip dvd's though [18:51] but i tend to back-up... [18:51] which tends to take more then 1 dvd [18:53] Has anyone ever encountered hardware problems while using Xubuntu? [18:53] what do you mean by 'hardware problems'? [18:53] drivers mostly, hardware not ebing recognized [18:53] do you mean 'unsupported hardware', or ubuntu breaks something [18:53] sure all the time [18:53] whoa, "breaking something" ? is that possible? [18:54] all the time :L [18:54] is there a way to check out if xubuntu would recognized all my hardware before installation? [18:54] well you'll have the same problems with pretty much any distro... Your issues will probably be related to wifi, or accellerated graphics [18:54] run live cd [18:57] wifi? [18:58] i see [18:58] well, thx for all the help :) [18:58] wifi/wireless/802.11 a/b/g/n... [18:58] yeh, I know... [18:59] guess im off to hours of installations :D [18:59] bye! [19:12] One quick question before i start the installing process [19:13] Vidd, zoredache [19:13] still here? [19:14] yes [19:14] ah great [19:14] When it comes down to drivers [19:14] to i need LINUX specific drivers for my hardware [19:14] or is any driver good, independantly of the OS [19:16] depends on what the driver is for, and how your going to install it [19:16] but for the most part, the restricted drivers tool will fix them all up for you [19:16] well say I boot off vista, and dl all my drivers from the dell website... [19:16] is it going to be ok for linux or do i have to re-ionstal aswell? [19:18] you should not have to install anything....the restriced drivers tool will do all the hard work for you [19:18] oh [19:18] okay [19:18] this tool is already on xubuntu? [19:18] yes [19:19] so my drivers will be effective for linux AND windows? [19:20] no...linux drivers are different then windows drivers [19:21] ahh [19:21] okay [19:21] alright [19:21] thx :) [19:21] but linux will install most linux drivers for you [19:21] the only big issue anymore is wireless [19:22] hmm [19:22] alright [19:22] thx very much :) [19:22] no problem [19:22] is abiword very diff from openoffice? [19:23] yes [19:24] well...not VERY different....enough to make a difference though [19:24] okay [19:24] well [19:24] its judgement day [19:24] time to whipe my HDD clean ;) [19:24] thx again [19:25] np [19:35] how can you make windows 'always on top' in xfce like you can in gnome? [19:36] chimp: click on the control box, and choose 'always on top'? [19:36] the control box is the icon at the top-left corner of the application window. [19:37] ahh, i see cheers [19:37] was trying to right click them in the panel [19:37] if you want to set up something permanent so that each time it gets started, I believe you can use devilspie [19:39] its ok, was only a temp thing === notMax is now known as maxamillion [21:33] I'm new - no question during install for root password - now get error on su - how to get passwd ? [21:34] the root password is disabled by default [21:34] and a program called 'sudo' is setup to allow you to get root access [21:34] for a root shell run a command like 'sudo -s', or 'sudo bash' [21:35] if you want to run a specific command you can just use 'sudo command' [21:35] !sudo | califa54 [21:35] califa54: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. [21:36] you can also get the entire root environment by running 'sudo su -' [21:37] 'su root' asks for password - nothing works - cannot get to root ? [21:38] califa54: don't do 'su root', type what i just told you to type 'sudo su -' and give it *your* password [21:38] sudo su [21:39] califa54: add the - [21:40] it works - thanks - seems strange - but works - am in root [21:40] 'sudo su' will work, but per spec you need the - to take on the user environment of root [21:40] califa54: read the man page for su, it explains why the - is needed [21:41] 'sudo su' without '-' got me to root - asked for user password [21:43] I see the difference - again thanks [21:46] Interesting - on returning to User from Root, History is lost - tested twice - saw this years ago on debian [21:47]