[14:00] <flacoste> do we have a chair?
[14:01] <danilos> nobody volunteered so far
[14:01] <sinzui> do we have anyone who knows how to play with the bot
[14:01] <gmb> Isn't statik chairing?
[14:02] <gmb> Or was that last week?
[14:02] <intellectronica> gmb: statik apologised that he can't chair today
[14:02] <sinzui> statik: has a conflicting appointment
[14:02] <gmb> Any volunteers?
[14:03] <intellectronica> i propose gmb ;)
[14:03]  * gmb saw that coming
[14:03] <gmb> #startmeeting
[14:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:03. The chair is gmb.
[14:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:03] <gmb> Right.
[14:04] <gmb> Welcome, folks, to the AMEU reviewer meeting.
[14:04] <gmb> Our agenda for today is...
[14:04]  * gmb hunts
[14:04] <gmb>  * Roll call
[14:04] <gmb>  * Next meeting
[14:04] <gmb>  * Action items
[14:04] <gmb>  * Queue status
[14:04] <gmb>  * Mentoring update
[14:04] <gmb>  * Review process
[14:04] <gmb> So.
[14:04] <gmb> [TOPIC] Roll call
[14:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll call
[14:04] <danilos> me
[14:04] <sinzui> me
[14:04] <bac> me
[14:04] <intellectronica> me
[14:05] <gmb> flacoste: You?
[14:05] <jt2> me
[14:05] <salgado> me
[14:05] <allenap> me
[14:05] <flacoste> me
[14:05] <gmb> Okay. Feel free to drag other reviewers in if you see them :)
[14:06] <gmb> [TOPIC] Next meeting
[14:06] <kiko> me
[14:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next meeting
[14:06]  * kiko yays for MootBot 
[14:06] <gmb> Same time same place?
[14:06] <gmb> [AGREED] Next meeting 2008-03-26 14:00 UTC
[14:06] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Next meeting 2008-03-26 14:00 UTC
[14:06] <gmb> Anyone know they won't be able to make the next meeting?
[14:07] <gmb> I think I'm going to miss it actually.
[14:07] <BjornT> me
[14:07] <gmb> Right, so I won't be here next week.
[14:08] <gmb> But barry will be back, so at least we'll have a chairman :)
[14:08] <gmb> So, moving on
[14:08] <gmb> [TOPIC] Action items
[14:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action items
[14:08] <gmb> * gmb to hack review-submit to enforce 800 line limit.
[14:08]  * gmb FAIL
[14:09] <gmb> ... and we'll leave that on the list
[14:09] <gmb>  * schwuk to work with mwhudson to get instructions for running loggerhead onto the    wiki
[14:09] <gmb> schwuk: Around?
[14:09] <schwuk> gmb: yes - forgot the meeting had moved
[14:09] <schwuk> gmb: https://launchpad.canonical.com/RunningLoggerhead
[14:09] <gmb> schwuk: You have an action item re: loggerhead. What's the status of that?
[14:10] <gmb> Ah, cool!
[14:10] <bigjools> me, sorry, late
[14:10] <gmb> schwuk gets a coconut.
[14:10] <schwuk> w00t!
[14:10] <gmb> [TOPIOC
[14:10] <gmb> *sigh*
[14:10] <gmb> [TOPIC]
[14:10] <MootBot> New Topic:
[14:10] <gmb> [TOPIC] Queue status
[14:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Queue status
[14:10] <gmb> Can you tell it's my first time, folks?
[14:11] <gmb> The queue looks relatively clean. There are a couple of branches that have been there for a while but they belong to jamesh and jml...
[14:11] <Rinchen> mootbot virgin? :-)
[14:11] <gmb> Chairman virgin, never mind MootBot.
[14:11] <Rinchen> aye aye
[14:12] <gmb> Does anyone know the status of those branches?
[14:12] <gmb> [ACTION] gmb to contact jamesh and jml about the status of their overdue branches
[14:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  gmb to contact jamesh and jml about the status of their overdue branches
[14:12] <intellectronica> one branch left on the queue which i'm reviewing and will finish after the meeting
[14:12] <gmb> intellectronica: Cool.
[14:13] <gmb> I think that things have been moving pretty smoothly queue wise
[14:13] <gmb> PQM's been struggling to keep up :)
[14:13] <gmb> So, shooting onwards towards apotheosis...
[14:13] <danilos> maybe an idea for new meeting topic? 'PQM status' :)
[14:13] <gmb> danilos: Only if you want to hear me moan about getting rejected all the time :)
[14:14] <danilos> :)
[14:14] <gmb> [TOPIC] Mentoring update
[14:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mentoring update
[14:14] <gmb> Any mentors / mentees got anything to say at this point?
[14:14] <sinzui> schwuk: I think you should take an on-call slot
[14:15] <sinzui> schwuk: you will have to when you graduate anyway
[14:15] <schwuk> I was just going to say that I think I need to pick up more branches
[14:15] <gmb> Right.
[14:15] <gmb> sinzui, schwuk: In my experience, sharing an on-call slot works well.
[14:15] <sinzui> It's hard to get branches if you not on-call
[14:16] <bac> allenap probably a good idea for you too.  how are your tuesdays?
[14:16] <allenap> bac, Tuesdays are fine, so sign me up.
[14:16] <bigjools> I was going to try and join gmb for on-call but Soyuz has been freakishly busy this cycle :(
[14:16] <bac> it's a wiki -- sign yourself up!
[14:16] <gmb> [AGREED] allenap to take Tuesday on-call review slot with bac
[14:16] <MootBot> AGREED received:  allenap to take Tuesday on-call review slot with bac
[14:17] <gmb> bigjools: I was going to say that, but I saw your status on Monday and thought I'd give you some peace.
[14:17] <gmb> bigjools: Are you going to be busy this monday coming?
[14:17] <schwuk> Sharing the slot won't work for the next couple of weeks - Public holiday this Friday and planned leave next Friday. I'll see about taking another day next week.
[14:17] <bigjools> gmb: hopefully not, it's easter
[14:17] <schwuk> gmb: Bank Holiday on Monday
[14:17] <gmb> Hah.
[14:18] <gmb> Spot the ignorant heathen.
[14:18] <schwuk> gmb: I'd have forgiven you if you weren't, you know, *British*.
[14:18]  * gmb fails again
[14:18] <gmb> Oh well.
[14:18] <gmb> So, schwuk, you'll look at doing on-call some time next week, then.
[14:19] <schwuk> gmb: yes - I'll update the rota.
[14:19] <gmb> bigjools: Do you want to do the same?
[14:19] <bigjools> I'll try and volunteer for on-call ad-hoc when Soyuz is calmer!
[14:19] <gmb> [AGREED] schwuk to look into doing an on-call day next week
[14:19] <MootBot> AGREED received:  schwuk to look into doing an on-call day next week
[14:20] <gmb> [AGREED] bigjools to insert himself in the on-call rota when Soyuz calms down
[14:20] <kiko> bigjools, why don't you do half-days?
[14:20] <MootBot> AGREED received:  bigjools to insert himself in the on-call rota when Soyuz calms down
[14:20] <danilos> bigjools: that's going to be... never :)
[14:20] <kiko> otherwise this "soyuz calms down" thing never happens
[14:20] <bigjools> kiko: on-call is usually half a day anyway I thought
[14:20] <kiko> so..
[14:20] <bigjools> next cycle will bne much easier
[14:20] <kiko> say yes
[14:20] <kiko> doubt that!
[14:20] <bigjools> are you not telling me something? :)
[14:21] <bigjools> ok, I will join gmb a week Monday
[14:21] <kiko> yes, that you have a natural talent for underestimating! :)
[14:21] <gmb> bigjools: I'm off then. But barry'll be back
[14:21] <bigjools> good point, I'll join barry then
[14:22] <gmb> [AGREED] bigjools to do on-call reviews on Mondays from 2008-03-31
[14:22] <MootBot> AGREED received:  bigjools to do on-call reviews on Mondays from 2008-03-31
[14:22] <gmb> Anyone got anything to add on this topic?
[14:22] <gmb> 5
[14:22] <gmb> 4
[14:22] <gmb> 3
[14:22] <gmb> 2
[14:22] <gmb> 1
[14:22] <gmb> [TOPIC] Review process
[14:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review process
[14:23] <gmb> Does anyone have any comments about the review process? Any ideas about how it could be made more efficient?
[14:23] <gmb> Well, we'll assume that we're doing it right for the time being, then :)
[14:24] <gmb> Okay, that covers it for today's super-short meeting
[14:24] <bigjools> one point I'd like to make
[14:24] <gmb> Hurrah!
[14:24] <bigjools> to see if anyone agrees
[14:24] <bigjools> since the PQM queue is so big, is it worth merging multiple branches to speed things up?
[14:24] <bigjools> multiple ones that are your own, I mean
[14:25] <gmb> bigjools: That screws up the changelog, though, and makes more work for mrevell and Rinchen.
[14:25] <bigjools> what about if it's two [!log] jobs?
[14:25] <schwuk> bigjools: I've seen intellectronica and cprov do that before
[14:25] <Rinchen>  !logs are fine to merge together
[14:25] <intellectronica> bigjools: how confident are you that they will all pass? also, it's nice to have the entries in the changelog
[14:25] <bigjools> I try and do it too, with [!log] stuff
[14:25] <sinzui> I think it should be considered and done when it does not mess with the review or the changelog
[14:25] <intellectronica> schwuk: only for very trivial branches
[14:26] <bigjools> it's down to your discretion, but for really simple [!log] stuff it makes a lot of sense to me
[14:26] <schwuk> intellectronica: but you have done it :)
[14:26] <gmb> For simple, [!log] stuff, yes, I'd agree it's probably okay.
[14:26] <cprov> schwuk: as long as it doesn't mess your commit message, I'd say.
[14:26] <Rinchen> So, !logs are ok to merge but if you end up merging two regular items, please consider either updating the PQM subject to reflect both OR, sending mrevell a note with the RF number and the two commit msgs
[14:26] <intellectronica> schwuk: i can't deny that, no :)
[14:27] <gmb> Rinchen: Do you want to mail the lp@ list about this matter to clarify things?
[14:27] <Rinchen> gmb, I'd be happy to. I'll do that now.
[14:27] <gmb> Since the queue was he-awge over the weekend.
[14:27]  * bigjools is just looking for a way to help with the increased test run time and bigger PQM queues
[14:27] <gmb> [ACTION] Rinchen to mail the list about merging [!log] reviews.
[14:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Rinchen to mail the list about merging [!log] reviews.
[14:28] <gmb> Okay.
[14:28] <bigjools> coolio, thanks
[14:28] <gmb> Does anyone have any other business they'd like to bring up?
[14:28] <gmb> 5
[14:28] <gmb> 4
[14:28] <gmb> 3
[14:28] <gmb> 2
[14:28] <gmb> 1
[14:28] <gmb> #endmeeting
[14:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:29.
[14:28] <gmb> Thanks folks!
[14:28] <bac> thanks graham
[14:28] <bigjools> thanks gmb
[14:29] <intellectronica> thanks gmb, excellent chairing, if i may
[14:29] <gmb> Heh, thanks.
[14:30] <schwuk> thanks gmb