=== kiko is now known as kiko-zzz === salgado-afk is now known as salgado === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko === danilo_ is now known as danilos [14:00] do we have a chair? [14:01] nobody volunteered so far [14:01] do we have anyone who knows how to play with the bot [14:01] Isn't statik chairing? [14:02] Or was that last week? [14:02] gmb: statik apologised that he can't chair today [14:02] statik: has a conflicting appointment [14:02] Any volunteers? [14:03] i propose gmb ;) [14:03] * gmb saw that coming [14:03] #startmeeting [14:03] Meeting started at 15:03. The chair is gmb. [14:03] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:03] Right. [14:04] Welcome, folks, to the AMEU reviewer meeting. [14:04] Our agenda for today is... [14:04] * gmb hunts [14:04] * Roll call [14:04] * Next meeting [14:04] * Action items [14:04] * Queue status [14:04] * Mentoring update [14:04] * Review process [14:04] So. [14:04] [TOPIC] Roll call [14:04] New Topic: Roll call [14:04] me [14:04] me [14:04] me [14:04] me [14:05] flacoste: You? [14:05] me [14:05] me [14:05] me [14:05] me [14:05] Okay. Feel free to drag other reviewers in if you see them :) [14:06] [TOPIC] Next meeting [14:06] me [14:06] New Topic: Next meeting [14:06] * kiko yays for MootBot [14:06] Same time same place? [14:06] [AGREED] Next meeting 2008-03-26 14:00 UTC [14:06] AGREED received: Next meeting 2008-03-26 14:00 UTC [14:06] Anyone know they won't be able to make the next meeting? [14:07] I think I'm going to miss it actually. [14:07] me [14:07] Right, so I won't be here next week. [14:08] But barry will be back, so at least we'll have a chairman :) [14:08] So, moving on [14:08] [TOPIC] Action items [14:08] New Topic: Action items [14:08] * gmb to hack review-submit to enforce 800 line limit. [14:08] * gmb FAIL [14:09] ... and we'll leave that on the list [14:09] * schwuk to work with mwhudson to get instructions for running loggerhead onto the wiki [14:09] schwuk: Around? [14:09] gmb: yes - forgot the meeting had moved [14:09] gmb: https://launchpad.canonical.com/RunningLoggerhead [14:09] schwuk: You have an action item re: loggerhead. What's the status of that? [14:10] Ah, cool! [14:10] me, sorry, late [14:10] schwuk gets a coconut. [14:10] w00t! [14:10] [TOPIOC [14:10] *sigh* [14:10] [TOPIC] [14:10] New Topic: [14:10] [TOPIC] Queue status [14:10] New Topic: Queue status [14:10] Can you tell it's my first time, folks? [14:11] The queue looks relatively clean. There are a couple of branches that have been there for a while but they belong to jamesh and jml... [14:11] mootbot virgin? :-) [14:11] Chairman virgin, never mind MootBot. [14:11] aye aye [14:12] Does anyone know the status of those branches? [14:12] [ACTION] gmb to contact jamesh and jml about the status of their overdue branches [14:12] ACTION received: gmb to contact jamesh and jml about the status of their overdue branches [14:12] one branch left on the queue which i'm reviewing and will finish after the meeting [14:12] intellectronica: Cool. [14:13] I think that things have been moving pretty smoothly queue wise [14:13] PQM's been struggling to keep up :) [14:13] So, shooting onwards towards apotheosis... [14:13] maybe an idea for new meeting topic? 'PQM status' :) [14:13] danilos: Only if you want to hear me moan about getting rejected all the time :) [14:14] :) [14:14] [TOPIC] Mentoring update [14:14] New Topic: Mentoring update [14:14] Any mentors / mentees got anything to say at this point? [14:14] schwuk: I think you should take an on-call slot [14:15] schwuk: you will have to when you graduate anyway [14:15] I was just going to say that I think I need to pick up more branches [14:15] Right. [14:15] sinzui, schwuk: In my experience, sharing an on-call slot works well. [14:15] It's hard to get branches if you not on-call [14:16] allenap probably a good idea for you too. how are your tuesdays? [14:16] bac, Tuesdays are fine, so sign me up. [14:16] I was going to try and join gmb for on-call but Soyuz has been freakishly busy this cycle :( [14:16] it's a wiki -- sign yourself up! [14:16] [AGREED] allenap to take Tuesday on-call review slot with bac [14:16] AGREED received: allenap to take Tuesday on-call review slot with bac [14:17] bigjools: I was going to say that, but I saw your status on Monday and thought I'd give you some peace. [14:17] bigjools: Are you going to be busy this monday coming? [14:17] Sharing the slot won't work for the next couple of weeks - Public holiday this Friday and planned leave next Friday. I'll see about taking another day next week. [14:17] gmb: hopefully not, it's easter [14:17] gmb: Bank Holiday on Monday [14:17] Hah. [14:18] Spot the ignorant heathen. [14:18] gmb: I'd have forgiven you if you weren't, you know, *British*. [14:18] * gmb fails again [14:18] Oh well. [14:18] So, schwuk, you'll look at doing on-call some time next week, then. [14:19] gmb: yes - I'll update the rota. [14:19] bigjools: Do you want to do the same? [14:19] I'll try and volunteer for on-call ad-hoc when Soyuz is calmer! [14:19] [AGREED] schwuk to look into doing an on-call day next week [14:19] AGREED received: schwuk to look into doing an on-call day next week [14:20] [AGREED] bigjools to insert himself in the on-call rota when Soyuz calms down [14:20] bigjools, why don't you do half-days? [14:20] AGREED received: bigjools to insert himself in the on-call rota when Soyuz calms down [14:20] bigjools: that's going to be... never :) [14:20] otherwise this "soyuz calms down" thing never happens [14:20] kiko: on-call is usually half a day anyway I thought [14:20] so.. [14:20] next cycle will bne much easier [14:20] say yes [14:20] doubt that! [14:20] are you not telling me something? :) [14:21] ok, I will join gmb a week Monday [14:21] yes, that you have a natural talent for underestimating! :) [14:21] bigjools: I'm off then. But barry'll be back [14:21] good point, I'll join barry then [14:22] [AGREED] bigjools to do on-call reviews on Mondays from 2008-03-31 [14:22] AGREED received: bigjools to do on-call reviews on Mondays from 2008-03-31 [14:22] Anyone got anything to add on this topic? [14:22] 5 [14:22] 4 [14:22] 3 [14:22] 2 [14:22] 1 [14:22] [TOPIC] Review process [14:22] New Topic: Review process [14:23] Does anyone have any comments about the review process? Any ideas about how it could be made more efficient? [14:23] Well, we'll assume that we're doing it right for the time being, then :) [14:24] Okay, that covers it for today's super-short meeting [14:24] one point I'd like to make [14:24] Hurrah! [14:24] to see if anyone agrees [14:24] since the PQM queue is so big, is it worth merging multiple branches to speed things up? [14:24] multiple ones that are your own, I mean [14:25] bigjools: That screws up the changelog, though, and makes more work for mrevell and Rinchen. [14:25] what about if it's two [!log] jobs? [14:25] bigjools: I've seen intellectronica and cprov do that before [14:25] !logs are fine to merge together [14:25] bigjools: how confident are you that they will all pass? also, it's nice to have the entries in the changelog [14:25] I try and do it too, with [!log] stuff [14:25] I think it should be considered and done when it does not mess with the review or the changelog [14:25] schwuk: only for very trivial branches [14:26] it's down to your discretion, but for really simple [!log] stuff it makes a lot of sense to me [14:26] intellectronica: but you have done it :) [14:26] For simple, [!log] stuff, yes, I'd agree it's probably okay. [14:26] schwuk: as long as it doesn't mess your commit message, I'd say. [14:26] So, !logs are ok to merge but if you end up merging two regular items, please consider either updating the PQM subject to reflect both OR, sending mrevell a note with the RF number and the two commit msgs [14:26] schwuk: i can't deny that, no :) [14:27] Rinchen: Do you want to mail the lp@ list about this matter to clarify things? [14:27] gmb, I'd be happy to. I'll do that now. [14:27] Since the queue was he-awge over the weekend. [14:27] * bigjools is just looking for a way to help with the increased test run time and bigger PQM queues [14:27] [ACTION] Rinchen to mail the list about merging [!log] reviews. [14:27] ACTION received: Rinchen to mail the list about merging [!log] reviews. [14:28] Okay. [14:28] coolio, thanks [14:28] Does anyone have any other business they'd like to bring up? [14:28] 5 [14:28] 4 [14:28] 3 [14:28] 2 [14:28] 1 [14:28] #endmeeting [14:28] Meeting finished at 15:29. [14:28] Thanks folks! [14:28] thanks graham [14:28] thanks gmb [14:29] thanks gmb, excellent chairing, if i may [14:29] Heh, thanks. [14:30] thanks gmb === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch === kiko is now known as kiko-fud === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado === kiko-fud is now known as kiko === kiko is now known as kiko-phone === kiko-phone is now known as kiko === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk === jml` is now known as jml === mwhudson_ is now known as mwhudson === salgado is now known as salgado-afk