| Keybuk | vuntz: of course, I can't take a screenshot | 00:13 |
|---|---|---|
| Keybuk | if I go to an empty viewport, and click it, I get all my apps | 00:13 |
| Keybuk | if I click it again, I get only 3 | 00:14 |
| vuntz | weird | 00:17 |
| * vuntz wonders if there's another wm using viewport | 00:17 | |
| vuntz | sawfish, maybe | 00:18 |
| vuntz | or maybe compiz does work on my laptop now... | 00:18 |
| Hobbsee | ubotu: part | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | (george is already in here, and i don't have access) | 06:33 |
| Amaranth | George: test | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | !help | 06:37 |
| George | I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | works | 06:37 |
| Amaranth | Hobbsee: I could just ban George :P | 06:37 |
| Amaranth | bug 67834 | 06:37 |
| George | Launchpad bug 67834 in kdebase "add an option to disable the system bell system-wide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67834 | 06:38 |
| Amaranth | then again... | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | Amaranth: if you like. both do it. | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | Amaranth: this ubotu doesn't work with !info basket, etc, though. | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | although it'll tell you if something isn't in ubuntu | 06:38 |
| Amaranth | nah, this seems to work for the only thing it ever gets used for | 06:38 |
| Amaranth | bug 49346 | 06:38 |
| George | Launchpad bug 49346 in metacity "Gnome mistakes window closing confirmation as frozen programme. (dup-of: 29584)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49346 | 06:38 |
| George | Launchpad bug 29584 in metacity "False reports of "Window not responding" error" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29584 | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | George: bug #172300 | 06:40 |
| George | Launchpad bug 172300 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Unable to boot 7.10 on abit ib9 due to ata xfermode" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172300 | 06:40 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:51 |
| Amaranth | @schedule | 06:56 |
| George | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00: MOTU | 06:56 |
| seb128 | hey hey hey mvo gicmo | 08:46 |
| seb128 | gicmo: your nautilus-cd-burner changes work correctly ;-) | 08:48 |
| mvo | hey seb128! | 08:48 |
| gicmo | seb128: cool, totally strange that they left that call in there, could you attach the patch to the bug? | 08:49 |
| seb128 | gicmo: sure | 08:49 |
| seb128 | gicmo: I manage to lock nautilus apparently though | 08:49 |
| gicmo | oh | 08:50 |
| seb128 | gicmo: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/5860/ looks like a locked situation? | 08:50 |
| seb128 | gicmo: I tried to open several folder etc on the sftp location while I was disconnect | 08:50 |
| seb128 | that didn't block nautilus which is good ;-) | 08:50 |
| seb128 | but when I reconnected it did the actions queued apparently | 08:51 |
| seb128 | DOH | 08:52 |
| seb128 | don't keep fingers on ctrl-alt to switch workspace after typing | 08:52 |
| seb128 | or don't delete a char while you are doing so rather ;-) | 08:52 |
| gicmo | hehe | 08:52 |
| gicmo | looks like its blockin in dbus | 08:53 |
| seb128 | anyway, after being connected again it opened several directories on which ones I clicked during the disconnect time | 08:53 |
| seb128 | and then got greyed (ie, the compiz way to tell you the app is not responding) | 08:53 |
| lool | seb128: was happening to me all the time; I decided to add DontZap to my config when I was tired of losing my work :) | 08:54 |
| seb128 | lool: we should do that by default ;-) | 08:54 |
| lool | I proposed that a while back! | 08:54 |
| lool | But I was told many users kill their session in this way, especially when it's hung | 08:55 |
| seb128 | which is true | 08:55 |
| seb128 | we got quite some complain because gdm was not coming back properly after ctrl-alt-del in some cycle | 08:56 |
| gicmo | seb128: hmm tricky | 08:56 |
| seb128 | gicmo: don't bother too much with this one, that was just in case there was something obvious there | 08:57 |
| gicmo | k | 08:58 |
| huats | morning everyone | 09:02 |
| huats | :) | 09:02 |
| === fta_ is now known as fta | ||
| crevette | heu huats | 09:03 |
| huats | hello crevette mvo and of course seb128 | 09:08 |
| huats | :) | 09:08 |
| mvo | hey huats | 09:08 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 09:08 |
| pitti | kwwii: I just noticed that with the new gdm theme the "incorrect password blabla" line is partially covered by the input line; it should be somewhere else | 09:14 |
| pitti | kwwii: is this on your radar already or shall I file a bug? | 09:14 |
| seb128 | pitti: there is several duplicates from this one already | 09:14 |
| seb128 | I'm going to kick the next user bugging gdm about it | 09:14 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 09:14 |
| kwwii | pitti: there is already a bug on that (and I will fix it) | 09:14 |
| * pitti shuts up | 09:14 | |
| pitti | kwwii: danke | 09:14 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 09:14 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 09:15 | |
| kwwii | I'll have the tweaked package ready a bit later :-) | 09:15 |
| seb128 | that's annoying, they all send bugs on gdm | 09:15 |
| * pitti currently tests pretty much everything in the live system | 09:15 | |
| seb128 | pitti: how buggy is it? | 09:15 |
| pitti | pretty good actually | 09:15 |
| pitti | PK works again, all apps that I tested so far work | 09:15 |
| seb128 | cool | 09:15 |
| pitti | bug 203612 is a bit nasty | 09:16 |
| pitti | but just cosmetic, too | 09:16 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 203612 in displayconfig-gtk "Screens & Graphics menu item in wrong section" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203612 | 09:16 |
| pitti | all in all we are in a pretty good shape | 09:16 |
| seb128 | pitti: I though it had been removed from the menus? | 09:16 |
| pitti | (this can't be right, it's too good....) | 09:16 |
| pitti | removed entirely? why should it? | 09:16 |
| pitti | it's my live saver to get a correct resolution, and I guess for many other people, too? | 09:17 |
| pitti | System -> Administration is a good place for it? | 09:17 |
| Amaranth | oh, i thought Screens&Graphics went away | 09:17 |
| seb128 | pitti: | 09:17 |
| seb128 | displayconfig-gtk (0.3.8ubuntu1) hardy; urgency=low | 09:17 |
| seb128 | . | 09:17 |
| seb128 | * Disable displayconfig-gtk in menus (replaced by Screen Resolution tool) | 09:17 |
| * pitti wonders WTH a "802.1X protected wired network" is | 09:18 | |
| pitti | asac: ^ current network-manager | 09:18 |
| seb128 | pitti: bryce argued that it's too buggy and not useful now that we have the xrandr 1.2 capplet | 09:18 |
| Amaranth | yeah, since it's really only needed for bulletproofx | 09:18 |
| pitti | but if X misdetects the resolution, xrand doesn't help at all | 09:18 |
| Amaranth | the xrandr 1.2 thing doesn't work for nvidia but then again screens & graphics doesn't do the right thing for nvidia either :) | 09:18 |
| pitti | (e. g. vmware only has 800x600 due to a bug in X.org somewhere) | 09:18 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: bryce wants to use the nvidia tool for those | 09:19 |
| pitti | well, either way, it shouldn't be in Apps -> Other | 09:19 |
| seb128 | pitti: well, iz xorg bug | 09:19 |
| Amaranth | yeah, nvidia-settings is better :) | 09:19 |
| seb128 | no it shouldn't | 09:19 |
| pitti | seb128: right; but even if this particular one is fixed, we'll always have some | 09:19 |
| pitti | "cannot fix detected screen resolution" is the top #1 complaint from the people around me why they did not install Ubuntu permanently | 09:20 |
| pitti | granted, it got much better in hardy | 09:20 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, and tomboy crashes | 09:21 |
| pitti | (when trying to quit it) | 09:21 |
| pitti | and the tracker search tool doesn't allow me to enable tracker | 09:22 |
| seb128 | pitti: you should enable it from system, preferences, indexing | 09:22 |
| seb128 | pitti: well, I'm not the one to argue with, but I really don't like this displaygtk-config | 09:22 |
| seb128 | I had bad comments about it and I think it's quite buggy | 09:22 |
| pitti | I tend to agree | 09:23 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, System Tools -> Hardware Testing... I don't think we want that there either ,right? | 09:26 |
| pitti | System -> Administration, for all users? | 09:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: yeah, cr3 mailed me about that yesterday | 09:27 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm not sure to be honest | 09:27 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm pondering moving things back to applications, system tools | 09:27 |
| seb128 | system, preferences has too many items now | 09:27 |
| pitti | hm, but they mostly fit well into the idea of "system administration" IMHO | 09:28 |
| pitti | hwtest doesn't, right | 09:28 |
| seb128 | and vmware, virt, etc install items in applications, system tools | 09:28 |
| seb128 | which means you quickly get this submenu back when installing softwares anyway | 09:28 |
| pitti | right, gnome-device-manager is, too (universe, though) | 09:28 |
| pitti | it just looks a bit weird to have just one entry in the menu | 09:29 |
| pitti | but *shrug* | 09:29 |
| pitti | seb128: as long as it has been discussed, I'm fine | 09:29 |
| pitti | just want to make sure it's not an oversight | 09:29 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 09:29 | |
| seb128 | pitti: I didn't reply to cr3, but we will not let one item there | 09:30 |
| seb128 | either we move back things which were there | 09:31 |
| seb128 | ie, gnome-system-monitor | 09:31 |
| seb128 | or we move the hardware testing somewhere else | 09:31 |
| seb128 | not sure what is the best yet | 09:31 |
| seb128 | I'll likely put that on the desktop team meeting agenda | 09:31 |
| pitti | oh, system monitor is a great idea | 09:34 |
| * pitti doesn't even find that in the menu | 09:34 | |
| pitti | it's applet-only ATM? | 09:34 |
| pitti | wow, we have a "Network Manager Editor" now | 09:35 |
| pitti | . o O { that doesn't really belong into the main menu IMHO; would be better in right-click nm-applet menu } | 09:36 |
| pitti | seems I'm in a nitpicking mood today | 09:36 |
| asac | pitti: i have seen some discussion about that | 09:46 |
| asac | but i don't have any details | 09:47 |
| asac | will try to look it up when i have some time | 09:47 |
| Amaranth | pitti: can you make jockey set UseCompositeWrapper for nvidia too? | 09:47 |
| * Amaranth should really file a bug :) | 09:47 | |
| pitti | Amaranth: sure, but please file a bug and give some explanations | 09:48 |
| pitti | Amaranth: will that cause any regressions for other hardware or performance? | 09:48 |
| Amaranth | it might be a performance hit but it just makes the nvidia driver use something from the X server (that i'm guessing other drivers use) instead of doing stuff by itself | 09:49 |
| Amaranth | apparently Qt apps are basically unusable with the driver we have if you don't enable this | 09:49 |
| Amaranth | with compiz, i mean | 09:50 |
| Keybuk | pitti: it is in the right-click NM menu, isn't it? | 10:14 |
| pitti | Keybuk: oh, indeed it is | 10:14 |
| pitti | so why is it repeated in the menu? | 10:15 |
| seb128 | because right click is not discoverable | 10:15 |
| seb128 | but I agree on this one, it should not be in the menu | 10:16 |
| Keybuk | the fact that NM has both left and right click menus is, of course, a different issue | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | (and an idiotic one) | 10:17 |
| pitti | . o O { session startup in a fresh vmware installation is delightfully fast again! } | 10:17 |
| pitti | asac: what is a 802.1X protected wired network? Can we change that string to something mere mortals can understand? | 10:18 |
| asac | pitti: huh? didn't you get my answer or did i forget to hit enter? ... i currently have no idea what it is. i just rememberd that someone was happy that it worked now on NM list | 10:18 |
| asac | where do you read that string? | 10:19 |
| pitti | asac: ah, there; sorry | 10:19 |
| pitti | asac: left click on nm-applet | 10:19 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, recently you were asking me about floppy, right? | 10:19 |
| asac | i dont see anything there right now. guess have to remove my entry from eni. will do so after a short breakfast | 10:20 |
| pitti | seb128: it just occurred to me that in vmware I can have a fake floppy, and I indeed get that "invalid hal function signature yadayada" error when I select it in the places menu | 10:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: yes, I would like to know if those are working in nautilus now | 10:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: and using the computer location? | 10:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: that's weird because the method is available now | 10:20 |
| pitti | seb128: there it correctly says "no media in the driver" | 10:20 |
| pitti | s/driver/drive/ | 10:21 |
| seb128 | hum | 10:21 |
| seb128 | would be interesting to try with a floppy in the drive | 10:21 |
| seb128 | to see if it gets mounted | 10:21 |
| asac | pitti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.1x ... so its authenticated wired apparently (like one could guess) | 10:22 |
| asac | now breakfast | 10:23 |
| Amaranth | so no one can sniff your wired connection? | 10:25 |
| pitti | seb128: let me find/download a floppy image | 10:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks | 10:25 |
| pitti | hm, that vmware isntance does not have a floppy... | 10:26 |
| * pitti shuts down and adds one | 10:26 | |
| slomo_ | seb128: ah, please sync banshee 0.13.2+dfsg-8 from debian :) adds mtp and gnome-settings-daemon 2.22 support | 10:27 |
| slomo_ | seb128: and last-exit 5-2 | 10:27 |
| seb128 | pitti: is that ok to do universe syncs now? | 10:27 |
| pitti | seb128: sure | 10:28 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, convenient: vmware offers me to create an empty floppy image :) | 10:28 |
| seb128 | ah, cool | 10:28 |
| pitti | seb128: hmmm | 10:36 |
| pitti | so I created and mformat'ed the floppy | 10:36 |
| pitti | and mount /media/floppy works (standard fstab entry) | 10:36 |
| pitti | but computer place still says 'no media' and places menu has that weird hal signature error | 10:37 |
| seb128 | ok, so it's still buggy | 10:37 |
| pitti | gnome-mount -vbd /dev/fd0 works at least | 10:37 |
| pitti | same result when I remove the fstab entry | 10:39 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, seems to be pretty much bug 188256 for floppies | 10:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 188256 in nautilus "empty CD-ROM Drive doesn't do anything when clicked" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188256 | 10:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: right | 10:42 |
| pitti | it's mentioned in the second-last comment | 10:42 |
| seb128 | pitti: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/197954 too | 10:42 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 197954 in gvfs "Hardy: Unable to scan Floppy Drive for media changes" [Low,Triaged] | 10:42 |
| seb128 | pitti: once the floppy mounted you can browse it though? | 10:43 |
| pitti | when I use gnome-mount -d /dev/fd0, then the Places menu gets a secodn icon "disk" with a floppy icon (in addition to "Floppy drive") | 10:44 |
| pitti | same in the computer place | 10:44 |
| pitti | the disk icon opens nautilus with the floppy contents | 10:44 |
| pitti | floppy drive icon continues to be broken | 10:45 |
| slomo_ | seb128: oh, and after freeze you can merge glib and sync gvfs please ;) | 11:16 |
| seb128 | slomo_: glib is not buggy then? you told me yesterday to wait | 11:17 |
| lapo | ciao | 11:17 |
| slomo_ | seb128: the bug was somewhere else as expected but i just wanted to be sure :) (n-m had memory corruption, causing a segfault in a glib function) | 11:17 |
| slomo_ | seb128: also all those patches are upstream now (or will later today) | 11:18 |
| seb128 | slomo_: alright | 11:18 |
| seb128 | slomo_: what patches? | 11:18 |
| seb128 | slomo_: I did send the gio nfs one upstream today | 11:18 |
| slomo_ | seb128: the nfs4 patch? | 11:18 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:18 |
| slomo_ | ok, none of the others? :) | 11:18 |
| slomo_ | i meant 80_static-mutex-aliasing-warnings.patch and 81_c99-inline-warnings.patch | 11:18 |
| seb128 | I've enough to carry zillion of changes because Josselin doesn't bother sending what he does upstream | 11:18 |
| seb128 | slomo_: no, I was going to look at the other later but if you do it that's good ;-) | 11:19 |
| slomo_ | ok ;) | 11:20 |
| seb128 | slomo_: btw did you port the single click patch for nautilus to the new version? | 11:20 |
| slomo_ | i dropped it iirc | 11:20 |
| seb128 | ok, cool | 11:21 |
| seb128 | because it's creating issues | 11:21 |
| slomo_ | seb128: how was the file called? :) | 11:21 |
| seb128 | slomo_: 05_places-sidebar_single-click.patch | 11:22 |
| slomo_ | oh, that is still applied (and didn't need porting) | 11:22 |
| slomo_ | sorry | 11:22 |
| slomo_ | what issues does it create? | 11:23 |
| seb128 | slomo_: bug #189110 | 11:23 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 189110 in nautilus "nautilus erroneous error message opening Samba share - can't display Samba drive" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189110 | 11:23 |
| seb128 | slomo_: and right clicking on a location to copy things for example makes it switch to the location | 11:23 |
| slomo_ | ok, thanks... will take a closer look at the patch and disable for next upload unless it's possible to fix it easily; ) | 11:24 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:24 |
| slomo_ | i hate all these patches :) | 11:26 |
| seb128 | me too | 11:26 |
| seb128 | we should really profite of alex being active to get things upstream or drop the distro changes if they are not appropriates | 11:27 |
| slomo_ | yes, just needs someone to do it... most nautilus patches were in bugzilla though | 11:28 |
| seb128 | alex doesn't use bugzilla a lot, too much things there | 11:30 |
| seb128 | better to ask him on IRC or use the nautilus list | 11:30 |
| slomo_ | yes, that's my plan | 11:33 |
| slomo_ | :) | 11:33 |
| slomo_ | seb128: apart from that he will have much less time for such things starting in 10 days (i thought you got the mail too?) | 11:33 |
| seb128 | slomo_: yes | 11:34 |
| seb128 | slomo_: that's why we should try to get changes upstream now ;-) | 11:34 |
| slomo_ | seb128: yes, later... need to get some food now and then i'll do it :P | 11:35 |
| Amaranth | what happens in 10 days? | 11:35 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: alex goes on paternity leaves for some months | 11:36 |
| Amaranth | ah | 11:36 |
| Amaranth | i thought that was a couple months ago | 11:36 |
| slomo_ | seb128: any reason why you didn't commit the nfs4 patch yet? :) | 11:46 |
| seb128 | slomo_: I'm not a glib maintainer and nobody approved it yet | 11:47 |
| slomo_ | seb128: can't alex approve at least gio related things? well, someone will probably look at it and if not i'll ask mclassen later when i've all patches prepared ;) | 11:48 |
| seb128 | slomo_: alex read the gio bug mails and approve patches usually, I just don't want to bother him every 15 minutes on IRC, I'll let him deal with the bug when he wants rather, there is no hurry ;-) | 11:49 |
| seb128 | lool: did you get the cheese update uploaded? | 12:18 |
| lool | seb128: It was incomplete | 12:20 |
| lool | seb128: missing b-deps bumps and changelog information | 12:20 |
| lool | seb128: I can easily complete the update in some minutes if you need it at any time | 12:21 |
| pedro_ | slomo_: hello, have you seen this bug 199496 ? | 12:21 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199496 in tomboy "Tomboy.exe crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199496 | 12:21 |
| seb128 | lool: I don't really need it, but would be nice to have the GNOME 2.22 version | 12:21 |
| seb128 | lool: I was just wondering because you said it would be uploaded by tuesday | 12:22 |
| slomo_ | pedro_: known gtk# or mono bug | 12:22 |
| slomo_ | pedro_: assuming it happened when exiting tomboy | 12:23 |
| pedro_ | yes same one | 12:23 |
| slomo_ | no fix known yet but it's nothing to worry about too much | 12:23 |
| slomo_ | just annoying because of apport ;) | 12:23 |
| pedro_ | hehe ok, thanks | 12:23 |
| lool | seb128: I said we should set the deadline to tuesday, but then I backed up when I recalled about the freeze | 12:23 |
| lool | seb128: To be clear: set the deadline, and I'll honor it :) | 12:24 |
| lool | seb128: I've passed the info to tremolux, and he output the update over the WE, but it was slightly incomplete | 12:24 |
| lool | Hence the back and forth | 12:24 |
| lool | If it's too long for you, tell me, I'll finish it | 12:24 |
| seb128 | lool: next week would be nice | 12:28 |
| lool | seb128: next Monday? | 12:29 |
| lool | seb128: I'll pass down the target to tremolux | 12:29 |
| lool | seb128: Feel free to escalate to me any time you want it | 12:29 |
| slomo_ | seb128: /usr/share/gnome/applications/defaults.list <--- is this a debian invention? | 12:30 |
| lool | slomo_: Isn't this XDG stuff? | 12:30 |
| lool | desktop-file-utils | 12:30 |
| seb128 | lool: monday is a holiday, there is no really hurry, just try to get it uploaded next week if you can, thanks ;-) | 12:30 |
| seb128 | slomo_: yes | 12:31 |
| slomo_ | lool: yes... but i mean this location, other location are XDG, right | 12:31 |
| lool | seb128: Oh *right* \o/ | 12:31 |
| lool | holidays \o/ | 12:31 |
| slomo_ | seb128: ok, not going upstream :) | 12:31 |
| seb128 | slomo_: no | 12:31 |
| seb128 | slomo_: that should be dropped from debian too if you ask me | 12:31 |
| slomo_ | seb128: why exactly? | 12:32 |
| seb128 | because it creates extra diff and should be done in a standard way | 12:33 |
| seb128 | that has been discussed on the xdg lists some weeks ago | 12:33 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure that KDE is using defaults.list anyway | 12:34 |
| slomo_ | ok, did you drop it for ubuntu? | 12:34 |
| seb128 | we never had it in ubuntu | 12:34 |
| slomo_ | heh | 12:34 |
| seb128 | that's something josselin did for debian I think | 12:34 |
| seb128 | but I never agreed with it | 12:34 |
| seb128 | and kubuntu didn't complain either so I think it's a non issue | 12:35 |
| slomo_ | yes... how are default applications for a mimetype selected in ubuntu? | 12:35 |
| seb128 | as they are upstream | 12:35 |
| seb128 | using the defaults.list but not in a gnome subdir | 12:35 |
| slomo_ | seb128: what are the other paths? i know the one in the home directory but is there a system wide too? | 12:36 |
| seb128 | /usr/share/applications/defaults.list is the standard one | 12:36 |
| slomo_ | ah, non-existing here... so it does automagic somehow? ;) | 12:37 |
| seb128 | no, josselin patched the debian gnome to look at the debian specific location | 12:37 |
| slomo_ | is there a /usr/share/applications/defaults.list in ubuntu? | 12:38 |
| seb128 | yes | 12:38 |
| seb128 | we ship it in desktop-file-utils though | 12:38 |
| seb128 | not in gnome-vfs as debian | 12:38 |
| slomo_ | ok, gives more or less the same problem though, just a different patch | 12:39 |
| seb128 | what problem? | 12:39 |
| slomo_ | these are all gnome applications... now if someone uses for example xfce he will have gnome applications as default unless he sets something different and not what xfce offers | 12:40 |
| slomo_ | (same for kde if they use it too) | 12:40 |
| slomo_ | not sure if this is important | 12:40 |
| seb128 | we go no complain from kubuntu so I guess KDE is using something else | 12:41 |
| seb128 | slomo_: there is a mail on the xdg lists stating "KDE uses InitialPreference. GNOME uses defaults.list." | 12:44 |
| slomo_ | ok | 12:44 |
| * slomo_ isn't happy with having gnome specific things in glib... but /usr/share/gnome is even worse :) | 12:46 | |
| slomo_ | seb128: 18_disable_signal_handler.patch <--- talked with alex about this one already? :) | 13:08 |
| seb128 | slomo_: I just noticed that I forgot to drop it when I read your changelog | 13:09 |
| seb128 | slomo_: alex fixed it differently upstream, the patch can be dropped | 13:09 |
| slomo_ | seb128: thanks | 13:09 |
| slomo_ | ok, i have everything ready now to flood alex with patches :P | 13:09 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 13:10 |
| slomo_ | vuntz: ping? :) | 13:17 |
| slomo_ | vuntz: gnome-menus currently installs /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu and similar things... ubuntu/debian already adds "gnome-" as prefix to them, what do you think about getting this upstream? :) needs a small fix in gnome-panel too... and resolves a conflict with kde (which has a kde-applications.menu, not sure if it's called applications.menu upstream too) | 13:20 |
| vuntz | slomo_: I've thought about this | 13:21 |
| slomo_ | vuntz: ...but? :) it looks like a small change that shouldn't cause any problems at all | 13:21 |
| vuntz | slomo_: problem is that people who have edited their menus will lose their changes if we change the name of those files | 13:21 |
| slomo_ | oh | 13:21 |
| slomo_ | ok, that's bad then :) | 13:22 |
| slomo_ | vuntz: any ideas how to solve that better? | 13:23 |
| seb128 | slomo_: btw, ubuntu doesn't add gnome- there | 13:23 |
| seb128 | slomo_: that's another change josselin did in debian I disagreed about | 13:23 |
| slomo_ | oh, i didn't know you dropped that patch | 13:23 |
| slomo_ | why did you disagree? except what vuntz said? | 13:23 |
| seb128 | slomo_: and I think Amaranth recommended against it because it was creating issues for menu edition or something | 13:24 |
| seb128 | slomo_: because it was breaking thing and a distro specific behaviour | 13:24 |
| seb128 | slomo_: it requires to patch applications to use the right naming | 13:24 |
| vuntz | slomo_: it's hard to fix now | 13:25 |
| slomo_ | ok, so not beautiful forever or until gnome 3.0 ;) | 13:25 |
| vuntz | slomo_: well, I'd love to fix this | 13:26 |
| slomo_ | vuntz: ok, what about the gnome-panel-logout application patch? :) | 13:27 |
| seb128 | vuntz: btw, could you review http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505488? | 13:28 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 505488 in gconf "gconfd does not unblock signals properly" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 13:28 |
| vuntz | seb128: gconf? | 13:32 |
| vuntz | slomo_: I'm not fond of this patch. Will be fixed properly in 2.23 | 13:33 |
| seb128 | vuntz: nobody is maintaining it upstream | 13:33 |
| slomo_ | vuntz: ok, good enough for me :) | 13:33 |
| seb128 | vuntz: so I figured you might be able to review the patch and commit since that's a small one ;-) | 13:33 |
| seb128 | vuntz: I'll try kmaraas otherwise | 13:33 |
| vuntz | seb128: I don't understand the patch | 13:35 |
| vuntz | seb128: isn't gconfd.c only used for gconfd? What's the relation with the library? | 13:35 |
| seb128 | lool: ^ | 13:35 |
| seb128 | vuntz: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf/+bug/188007 | 13:36 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 188007 in gconf "gconfd does not unblock signals properly" [Medium,Triaged] | 13:36 |
| seb128 | vuntz: there is some details there, not sure if that's useful to you though | 13:36 |
| slomo_ | isn't gconfd forked from the library? | 13:36 |
| vuntz | slomo_: hmm. In GNOME, no | 13:37 |
| lool | vuntz: gconfd is autospawned by the lib | 13:37 |
| lool | vuntz: such a gconfd inherits whatever state the process had | 13:37 |
| vuntz | slomo_: I mean, yes, but it's started by gconf-sanity-check | 13:37 |
| lool | As it's a fork() + exec() | 13:37 |
| vuntz | anyway, it can't harm | 13:38 |
| seb128 | vuntz: thanks! | 13:44 |
| lool | Pff we have ugly patches in gconf | 13:48 |
| seb128 | lool: which one? | 13:50 |
| lool | The syslog one | 13:50 |
| lool | The other one isn't too ugly, it's just hurd cruft; can probably be merged upstream as is | 13:50 |
| seb128 | right | 13:53 |
| soulc | cd burning software? | 13:57 |
| seb128 | soulc: hi, you want to go on #ubuntu | 13:58 |
| soulc | want is desktop concerned with? | 14:00 |
| seb128 | getting work done | 14:02 |
| seb128 | that's not an user chan | 14:02 |
| seb128 | rather a chan to discuss work we are doing | 14:02 |
| soulc | ah ok | 14:03 |
| soulc | so #ubuntu will work for me huh? | 14:03 |
| vuntz | Amaranth: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520726 doesn't apply here | 14:07 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 520726 in general "make left and up viewport moves work" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 14:08 |
| vuntz | is there any other patch that you apply before this one? | 14:08 |
| vuntz | ah, maybe the patch from bug 520704 | 14:11 |
| vuntz | seb128: I think you can kill 80_from_bugzilla_add_action_above.patch in libwnck | 14:18 |
| seb128 | vuntz: thanks | 14:18 |
| vuntz | I remember thinking it should be killed a few months ago, but you might need to check why ;-) | 14:19 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: ^ confirming? ;-) | 14:19 |
| vuntz | ok, no real important patches for libwnck | 14:20 |
| slomo_ | pedro_: hi :) want to file FF exception requests for gtk-sharp2, gnome-sharp2 and gnome-desktop-sharp2 and a main inclusion report for the latter (f-spot wants gtkhtml)? :) | 14:33 |
| slomo_ | pedro_: would get us rid of gtkhtml3.8 from main among other things | 14:33 |
| pedro_ | well if that fixed the crashes | 14:38 |
| mvo | slomo_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5871 <- interessting for you? (dapper->hardy) | 14:43 |
| slomo_ | pedro_: doesn't fix the crashes... but makes pitti happy and will make it more likely that people can use our gtk# for the complete hardy supported time | 14:44 |
| lool | vuntz: Would you mind merging the hurd support patch in gconf? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/gconf/debian/patches/25_gconf-path-max-hurd.patch?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 | 14:46 |
| lool | Since you seem to be on a patch merging day :) | 14:46 |
| vuntz | lool: not now (finishing some gnome-desktop bugzilla crawling and then meeting in 10 minutes) | 14:48 |
| vuntz | lool: but you can ping me later :-) | 14:48 |
| lool | Sure | 14:51 |
| kwwii | mvo: what was the sytax for adding a bug number to a commit message again? (LP: #bugnumber)? | 14:52 |
| mvo | kwwii: yeah, "LP: #number" will work | 14:58 |
| kwwii | thanks | 14:59 |
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| kwwii | mvo: remeber all the time we spent changing the gtk theme stuff to include clearlooks and murrine? Now it is time to revert that :-) | 15:02 |
| mvo | kwwii: meh - sounds like fun. so what is the new plan? do we go back to humanlooks? | 15:03 |
| kwwii | mvo: yes | 15:03 |
| mvo | hmmm | 15:03 |
| mvo | ok | 15:03 |
| mvo | why? | 15:03 |
| kwwii | mvo: I guess we can just take the older version of the pacakge, or? | 15:03 |
| mvo | kwwii: yeah, just doing that might be the easiest way | 15:04 |
| kwwii | mvo: because someone likes it better (and there are good reasons like the scrollbars, progress bars, etc) | 15:04 |
| mvo | heh, ok :) | 15:05 |
| kwwii | if it was up to me we would be using darklouche or such | 15:05 |
| kwwii | :-) | 15:05 |
| kwwii | and now everyone knows why it is not up to me :p | 15:06 |
| mvo | slomo_: if you don't have time to look mono overwrite issue, I'm happy to do it, just let me know | 15:08 |
| slomo_ | mvo: would be nice if you could do it | 15:09 |
| slomo_ | seb128: ok, so we only have one patch in nautilus left that is not upstream... well, after alex branched and i committed the last ready one :) | 15:17 |
| seb128 | slomo_: yeah, I've read the chan activity | 15:18 |
| seb128 | we had quite some buggy patches, what did you do with those, dropped them now? | 15:18 |
| slomo_ | yes | 15:18 |
| slomo_ | well, disabled them for now if they're still valid | 15:19 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:19 |
| slomo_ | attached the last versions to the bug and explained what needs to be done to get it into nautilus | 15:19 |
| kwwii | btw, if someone wants to take a look at the gdm bug fix, it is in bzr and the source package is here: | 15:19 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.26.dsc | 15:20 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.26_source.build | 15:20 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.26_source.changes | 15:20 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.26.tar.gz | 15:20 |
| slomo_ | lool: what shall we do about glib now? simply ignore joss and do the XDG_DATA_DIRS hack in gnome-session? ;) | 15:37 |
| slomo_ | lool: and a separate package for the defaults of course | 15:37 |
| lool | slomo_: Yeah; Joss just doesn't want to lose face, but you can ignore him now, he kind of admitted XDG_DATA_DIRS in g-s is the only clean way we found for now | 15:42 |
| lool | slomo_: Perhaps glib could be generally more clever, but it would take a while to spec and implement cleverness on such stuff | 15:43 |
| lool | slomo_: For instance, we could teach glib about where it's running in ("this is a GNOME session") and teach it to prefer .desktop files for GNOME | 15:44 |
| lool | (I'm just listing crazy ideas; I'm not actually proposing to do this) | 15:44 |
| lool | But if you look at it today, the glib patch is pure uglyness for something which should really be achieved with an env var | 15:44 |
| slomo_ | lool: ok, will do that then... what would you suggest for the gnome defaults? simply ship with gnome-core? :) | 15:44 |
| slomo_ | yes, i really hate the current glib patch | 15:44 |
| lool | I don't like shipping the defaults in a particular package; it doesn't really make sense to me | 15:45 |
| slomo_ | for gnomevfs it could stay as it is now, i don't care... the defaults should just be shipped by another package | 15:45 |
| lool | But for now, you could ship them in gnome-session as it's probably the only thing which will use that XDG dir | 15:45 |
| lool | On the longer term, it would be doable to have a trigger (haha) generate the defaults based on sensible info; perhaps from the packages or from the existing desktop files | 15:46 |
| slomo_ | ok, noted and will do once later... and upload once glib moved to testing | 15:46 |
| slomo_ | hehe, triggers... maybe next century :) | 15:46 |
| seb128 | having the defaults.list is a lib or desktop applications sucks | 15:47 |
| seb128 | because it means changing it is not as cheap as it should be | 15:48 |
| lool | seb128: Yeah, exactly | 15:49 |
| nxvl | mvo: are you still working on Bug #33505 ?? | 16:20 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 33505 in apt "BADSIG errors using transparent http proxies" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33505 | 16:20 |
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| pochu | seb128: hey, I already have my new desktop! ;-) | 18:40 |
| seb128 | pochu: ah, good ;-) | 18:40 |
| pochu | seb128: btw totem-plugins should depend on python-gdata, which is needed for the youtube plugin | 18:40 |
| seb128 | pochu: no it should not, that's an universe package and the youtube plugin is quite buggy | 18:41 |
| pochu | seb128: ah, then suggest it? :) | 18:41 |
| pochu | it WFM btw | 18:42 |
| seb128 | pochu: I think I'll split the package, move the binary to universe and add depends there | 18:42 |
| seb128 | pochu: very weird, it was broken due to the gnomevfs changes, gicmo fixed it and the patch has been uploaded to debian and ubuntu but it's blocked by the freeze | 18:42 |
| pochu | then the plugin won't be installed by default? | 18:43 |
| seb128 | I'll revisit the choice once I've tried with the gnomevfs fix | 18:43 |
| pochu | seb128: I don't have sound though, but that's because I don't have speakers yet ;-) | 18:43 |
| seb128 | try searching for ubuntu and play the library example | 18:43 |
| seb128 | does it work? | 18:43 |
| pochu | Ubuntu @ The library? | 18:44 |
| pochu | Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file. | 18:44 |
| * pochu wonders why... | 18:44 | |
| pochu | seb128: search for "within temptation" and watch the "Stand my ground" videoclip | 18:49 |
| seb128 | pochu: I didn't say none was working ;-) | 18:53 |
| pochu | seb128: ah, ok :) | 18:53 |
| seb128 | pochu: but most of the ubuntu ones are broken for example | 18:53 |
| seb128 | pochu: and you need the gst-plugins-bad installed | 18:53 |
| seb128 | pochu: so it can't work out of the box | 18:53 |
| pochu | :( | 18:53 |
| pochu | that's a cool plugin ;) | 18:53 |
| seb128 | right | 18:53 |
| seb128 | we don't have mp3 working out of the box neither | 18:54 |
| seb128 | it's useful too ;-) | 18:54 |
| seb128 | patents suck | 18:54 |
| seb128 | but we have to do with those | 18:54 |
| pochu | right, but at least we have the easy-codec-installation :) | 18:54 |
| seb128 | I'll have a look at the youtube plugin again after beta anyway | 18:55 |
| pochu | great | 18:55 |
| seb128 | pochu: if you are looking at things to do you are welcome to look at all the uploads slomo did to debian and see what we can sync or merge easily | 18:56 |
| seb128 | we can likely lower the delta and sync some packages easily after beta | 18:56 |
| slomo_ | seb128: the side pane one click patch was updated... and IMHO it looks good now, didn't test it yet though | 18:56 |
| pochu | plugins-bad is in universe btw... perhaps when the required plugin gets some work and is promoted to -good... | 18:56 |
| slomo_ | seb128: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355760 if you want to test... :) | 18:56 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 355760 in Sidebar Panel: Places "Side pane items shouldn't require a double click to open the location" [Minor,New] | 18:56 |
| seb128 | slomo_: does it fix the double click smb error and the left click action? | 18:57 |
| seb128 | right click I mean, and apparently it does | 18:57 |
| pochu | lool, seb128: what was that upnp python module we needed a MIR for? I don't have the logs from the last week or so | 18:57 |
| slomo_ | seb128: well, it has the same behaviour as if you set nautilus to single click everywhere | 18:58 |
| pochu | hey slomo_ | 18:58 |
| seb128 | well, that's not the default so not many people notice | 18:58 |
| seb128 | pochu: I think python-coherence should be promoted, would be nice to look at that ;-) | 18:58 |
| slomo_ | pochu: if you want, merge gnomevfs :) and gstreamer stuff... and gtk-sharp2/gnome-sharp2/gnome-desktop2 (needs FF exception and the latter need MIR) :) | 18:58 |
| seb128 | slomo_: oh you didn't upload the gnome-vfs change to hardy? I though you did | 18:59 |
| seb128 | you decided to just work on debian and let other people do the ubuntu merges now? :-( | 18:59 |
| seb128 | we need to recrute new contributors ;-) | 18:59 |
| slomo_ | seb128: i'll upload gnomevfs after freeze to see if the patch is fine until then | 19:00 |
| slomo_ | seb128: and if pochu doesn't want to do that stuff i've to do it ;) | 19:00 |
| * pochu is on holidays :) | 19:01 | |
| seb128 | slomo_: you don't "have to" do anyway, but help to merge debian updates is welcome | 19:02 |
| seb128 | I'll do what I can but there is lot to do and not so many people active at the moment | 19:02 |
| slomo_ | seb128: well, i don't have to but i want to :) | 19:02 |
| seb128 | thanks ;-) | 19:03 |
| pochu | slomo_: I can do the gstreamer merges today or tomorrow | 19:05 |
| pochu | slomo_: we are in sync for -base, aren't we? so can't we just sync it? (I didn't look at the changes yet as I'm cathing with the mail though, so I don't know what changed ;) | 19:06 |
| slomo_ | pochu: yes, base can be synced | 19:06 |
| slomo_ | as can all the others too iirc, except core | 19:06 |
| seb128 | pochu: we have to delay syncs to after the freeze, they don't go to the queue but are directly accepted | 19:08 |
| seb128 | but feel free to make a list and ping me after beta ;-) | 19:08 |
| gicmo | re | 19:08 |
| pochu | seb128: sure, I'll make a list when I process sid-changes ;) | 19:10 |
| pochu | hey ember | 19:10 |
| lool | seb128, pochu: I'm also looking at getting python-coherence promoted for elisa | 19:41 |
| lool | I think I told people around here to try the RB uPnP plugin; it's now quite capable | 19:41 |
| lool | pitti: ^ | 19:41 |
| lool | pitti: In general, python-coherence would enhance the RB plugin and elisa :) | 19:42 |
| pitti | lool: hm, sounds like a new feature to me | 22:37 |
| pitti | lool: I explained my gut feeling in the MIR bug | 22:37 |
| pochu | pitti: where's that bug? I see no bugs for coherence in lp | 23:14 |
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