[06:48] <james_w> Morning all
[06:49]  * slangasek wavse
[06:49] <evand> hello
[06:51]  * ogra_cmpc yawns
[06:51] <asac> hi!
[06:51] <bryyce> heya
[06:54] <calc> hi
[06:55]  * ArneGoetje waves
[06:55] <TheMuso> Greetings all.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> evening
[06:57]  * slangasek waves to the round of new arrivals :)
[07:00] <cjwatson> good morning
[07:01] <TheMuso> Morning cjwatson.
[07:03]  * bryyce waves
[07:03] <cjwatson> ok, so the first thing I had was to check up on beta status, and find out if there are any red lights
[07:04] <asac> green light from me
[07:04] <bryyce> xorg: green
[07:04] <TheMuso> Intend to do another FAT32 wubi install in the next half hour or so, but green appart from a few non-critical a11y issues that are ongoing.
[07:04] <ogra_cmpc> ltsp needs some post beta love still but good for beta ... same for edubuntu
[07:05] <slangasek> things appear to be on schedule, no one's milestoned any new bugs that would force us to reroll all the CDs
[07:05] <evand> things look ok here, oem-config is missing tzmap fixes, but they don't cause it to crash or are devistating.  Ubiquity looks good aside from the usability issues in the tzmap.
[07:05] <calc> 2.4 final releases next week, barring any other issues cropping up
[07:05] <asac> ogra_cmpc: btw, my classmate install i did for testing didn't work anymore when i wanted to demonstrate it this weeken
[07:05] <calc> and i plan to have debs for it as soon as possible after release, i have about 66 in progress bugs to go over for it
[07:05] <ogra_cmpc> define "didnt work"
[07:06] <asac> ogra_cmpc: well, after login the desktop comes up, but its rather frozen
[07:06] <ogra_cmpc> (and probably better past meeting :))
[07:06] <asac> e.g. i cannot do anything at all
[07:06] <asac> yeah
[07:06] <cjwatson> bug 199129 worried me slightly; is that generally being seen during testing?
[07:07] <evand> ah indeed.  That showed up for me during testing, iirc.
[07:07] <evand> Though I clicked cancel
[07:07] <evand> and thus had no issue progressing
[07:07]  * cjwatson <- slightly freaked out by beta candidates being ready a day early, though not actually complaining ;-)
[07:08] <slangasek> ehm, it's not early according to the schedule... :)
[07:08] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, that langasek guy is scary
[07:08] <ogra_cmpc> getting us ahead of time :)
[07:08] <cjwatson> I was thinking of past form more than the schedule. :-)
[07:08] <slangasek> and we still need more TESTS so we can know if the candidates are any good ;)
[07:08]  * evand will thoroughly test the candidates after a few hours of sleep.
[07:09] <cjwatson> right. so does anyone have a good reason to be doing anything other than beta candidate testing today?
[07:09]  * TheMuso will be doing just that tomorrow.
[07:09] <cjwatson> (modulo timezones)
[07:10] <slangasek> yes, I also have to draft a release announcement
[07:10] <slangasek> :)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> is getting very drunk a good reason?  :)
[07:10] <TheMuso> And can give wubi a good flogging if need be.
[07:10]  * ogra_cmpc raises hand for classmate work ... but i did my ltsp and addon installs yesterday already
[07:10] <asac> i can spend a half day without feeling bad. i have backport security fixes and drive general blocker bugs forward
[07:10] <calc> cjwatson: i can do testing, or continue on the OOo stuff :)
[07:10] <cjwatson> slangasek: and I have to review it, but yes ...
[07:11]  * ArneGoetje is still downloading the image since yesterday... download speed for kubuntu images really sucks here at the moment...
[07:11] <evand> indeed, I'll also try to break Wubi.
[07:11] <TheMuso> evand: I'm assuming no progress on the kernel command-line thing...
[07:11] <calc> doko: wrt GoOOCon i hadn't heard definite from you yet if you are also attending?
[07:11] <slangasek> flogging wubi implies rebuilding the CDs so the new version gets on there?
[07:12] <evand> TheMuso: there possibly is, but it's lumped in some changes that are awaiting a beta freeze exception
[07:12] <bryyce> I'll go through and do reinstalls on my systems too.  Most of my remaining bug priorities are more minor
[07:12] <slangasek> or is it just the standalone that we're worrying about?
[07:12] <ogra_cmpc> ArneGoetje, use rsync, even rsyncing kubuntu on top of an ubuntu image you have already saves bandwith
[07:12] <evand> TheMuso: though he shoved some things in the preseed file so the issue should be mitigated regardless
[07:12] <ArneGoetje> ogra_cmpc: rsync is even slower... :(
[07:12] <slangasek> (I'm not opposed to selective CD rebuilds with good cause; there are certainly bugs we can fix along the way for a stronger beta if we do that, such as the 199129 that cjwatson mentioned)
[07:12] <ogra_cmpc> bah
[07:12] <ogra_cmpc> bad ISPs
[07:12] <TheMuso> evand: Ok great.
[07:12] <cjwatson> re download speeds, cdimage is very slow at the moment; I found that repeatedly ctrl-c'ing and wget -c helped
[07:13] <evand> slangasek: the version of wubi on the CDs should be good.
[07:13] <ArneGoetje> cjwatson: thanks for the hint... will try
[07:13] <ogra_cmpc> same for rsync i found
[07:13] <cjwatson> ogra_cmpc: I think it's a DC problem; lots of people are reporting it, and elmo has mentioned that cdimage is badly overloaded
[07:13] <slangasek> hmm, ctrl-c'ing an rsync and restarting it is tricky though
[07:13] <cjwatson> yeah, rsync is hard
[07:13] <bryyce> mirrors?
[07:13] <ogra_cmpc> slangasek, why ? it just starts over
[07:14] <slangasek> ogra_cmpc: yes, it starts over /from the beginning/ ;)
[07:14] <ogra_cmpc> right
[07:14] <slangasek> which is not what wget -c does
[07:14] <cjwatson> ogra_cmpc: if you ctrl-c it, it will either discard all the stuff it's rsynced so far, or it will truncate your image and you'll have to download all the rest of it the hard way
[07:14] <ogra_cmpc> it usually hangs at 0 or 1%
[07:14] <ogra_cmpc> so there is not much lost
[07:14] <TheMuso> Setting a partial dir can help.
[07:14] <ArneGoetje> cjwatson: yes, much better now... :)
[07:15] <evand> and here I thought my download issue was all Comcast's fault.  Fantastic.
[07:15] <ogra_cmpc> and i havent had a truncated image yet
[07:15] <TheMuso> evand: heh yeah I thought I was shaped for a bit.
[07:15] <TheMuso> shaped, as in gone over quota, and speed limited.
[07:15] <evand> heh
[07:15] <cjwatson> I didn't know about --partial-dir; that looks ideal for solving this problem
[07:16] <cjwatson> I think I settled on my rsync habits when we were preparing warty, and --partial-dir is newer than that :-)
[07:17] <cjwatson> ogra_cmpc: truncation is if you use --partial
[07:17] <cjwatson> (not --partial-dir)
[07:17] <ogra_cmpc> i dont use either ... only -az --progress
[07:17] <TheMuso> cjwatson: I have a script to fetch all Ubuntu images, and derivatives, I've been thinking of rewriting it in python and making a GUI actually, I think it would be useful for a lot of people.
[07:18] <slangasek> not me, short of buying a bigger disk :)
[07:18] <TheMuso> Anyway, back OT.
[07:18] <bryyce> TheMuso: cool; put it up on people.ubuntu.com :-)
[07:18] <TheMuso> bryyce: I was thinking of packaging it actually, and putting it in ubuntu-dev-tools, or maybe its own package.
[07:18] <TheMuso> slangasek: I don't keep old images.
[07:18] <ArneGoetje> TheMuso: wouldn't that hurt cdimage even more? :P
[07:19] <TheMuso> I only have one image for each.
[07:19] <cjwatson> calc: if you can get images in time, doing testing today would be valuable
[07:19] <cjwatson> (instead of other things)
[07:19] <calc> cjwatson: ok
[07:19]  * TheMuso reminds all that his core hours will be 4 hours earlier than usual tomorrow, so will be able to help out with testing even earlier than usual, if images are still being tested.
[07:19] <cjwatson> calc: but check iso.qa.ubuntu.com first for where the current holes are
[07:19] <bryyce> ArneGoetje: maybe it needs a bittorrent backend ;-)
[07:20] <calc> have the images already been release?
[07:20] <calc> er released
[07:20] <TheMuso> calc: not afaik
[07:20] <calc> ah, too bad i'm due to bed right after the meeting
[07:20] <slangasek> define "released"?
[07:20] <cjwatson> calc: iso.qa.ubuntu.com should have links to current candidates
[07:20] <calc> cjwatson: ok
[07:20] <cjwatson> ok, so aside from beta, I wanted to welcome james_w to the platform team
[07:21]  * asac hugs james_w 
[07:21] <james_w> thankyou
[07:21] <bryyce> heya james_w
[07:21] <TheMuso> james_w: Nice to welcome you officially after all this time.
[07:21]  * slangasek waves to james_w
[07:21] <calc> hi james_w!
[07:21] <evand> welcome james_w!
[07:21] <ArneGoetje> Hi james_w !
[07:21] <james_w> thanks all, it's good to work with you all.
[07:21] <cjwatson> James will be helping us out with general bug-fixing, and you may also know him from bzr-builddeb, so he'll be working on improving our toolset for collaborative maintenance
[07:22]  * dholbach hugs james_w
[07:22] <asac>  \o/
[07:22] <TheMuso> Nice.
[07:22] <slangasek> james_w: so I have this bug that was blocking me from merging from the Debian grub subversion repo... :)
[07:22] <TheMuso> lol
[07:22] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[07:22] <ogra_cmpc> hey james
[07:23] <TheMuso> I have this bug about Debian using git. :p
[07:23] <james_w> slangasek: I saw that. You're really pushing the boundaries there, I don't know anyone who has done what you are :)
[07:23] <james_w> slangasek: I'll take a look later.
[07:23] <evand> I have these ~ 500 bugs ;)
[07:23] <calc> evand: i have fewer bugs now :-)
[07:23] <evand> calc: does this mean I win something?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> evand: not a pony.
[07:23] <evand> it's a race to the top, right?
[07:24] <evand> :(
[07:24] <calc> evand: yea heh
[07:24] <ArneGoetje> evand: are you breeding them? :D
[07:24] <calc> evand: went from ~ 675 bugs to ~ 375 now
[07:24]  * Amaranth is down to 189 bugs
[07:24] <calc> wow cdimage is going at 3KB/s for me
[07:24] <Amaranth> some of which come from calc getting rid of his bugs :P
[07:24]  * asac doesn't count bugs anymore
[07:25]  * ogra_cmpc stopped as well 
[07:25] <Amaranth> asac: yikes, i can see why
[07:26] <cjwatson> so, do we have any other business for the day? my head is full of beta
[07:26] <calc> wow some of the cdimage servers are much faster than others
[07:26] <evand> testing of wubi is appreciated
[07:26] <asac> cjwatson: is rtg on holiday or something?
[07:27] <evand> this applying to anyone that still has a copy of windows lying around
[07:27] <asac> i tried to msg him because of some issues we have with intel wifi chipsets
[07:27] <bryyce> calc, 2.03K/s
[07:27] <slangasek> haha, Windows
[07:27] <slangasek> ;)
[07:27] <asac> e.g. bug 183928 for instance
[07:27] <calc> bryyce: i hit one that is going at fullrate for me
[07:28]  * calc keeps its ip secret ;-)
[07:28] <TheMuso> I'm caring for wubi/windows because its a way of possibly getting more people involved/testing/using Linux a11y.
[07:28] <slangasek> asac: rtg is on vacation; I think you want to talk to amitk or BenC
[07:28] <asac> slangasek: ok ill try
[07:28] <cjwatson> www.canonicaladmin.com is good for checking on vacations
[07:28]  * slangasek nods
[07:28] <cjwatson> there's a holiday calendar widget
[07:29] <bryyce> calc: whoa you're right
[07:29] <ogra_cmpc> asac, amitk is MINE ! (until cmpc resume works)
[07:30] <Amaranth> but amitk also has this interesting compiz bug i wanted to look at... :P
[07:32] <cjwatson> right, doesn't seem like a whole lot of other meeting business
[07:33] <cjwatson> thanks all, and I'll let you get back to beta :-)
[07:33] <cjwatson> adjourned
[07:33] <asac> thanks!
[07:33] <ogra_cmpc> thanks :)
[07:33] <ArneGoetje> thanks
[07:33] <Amaranth> hey, while i've got everyone: can anyone reproduce https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/131679 ?
[07:33] <james_w> thanks
[07:34] <evand> thanks
[07:34] <TheMuso> thanks
[07:34] <TheMuso> wooa lag
[07:35] <asac> Amaranth: i haven't seen this, but i don't have a screensaver
[07:35] <asac> e.g. just black when locked
[07:35] <Amaranth> no one seems to be able to reproduce it but new dupes keep showing up
[07:35]  * calc doesn't use compiz
[07:35] <james_w> Amaranth: we need to suspend first?
[07:35] <bryyce> night!
[07:35] <calc> Amaranth: are they all with nvidia driver?
[07:36] <Amaranth> i don't think so
[07:36] <calc> Amaranth: oh
[07:36] <Amaranth> because i have nvidia and i can't reproduce
[07:36] <calc> well i haven't seen it with just metacity
[07:36] <calc> but i am on -intel with metacity
[07:36] <Amaranth> and Hobbsee doesn't have nvidia and could reproduce at one time
[07:37] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: i've not been able to reproduce it recently
[07:37] <calc> ok
[07:38] <Amaranth> frustrating bug because the stacktrace is worthless and it keeps getting milestoned for the next release and then bumped
[07:40] <asac> Amaranth: how do you know that the dupes are actually dupes if its a bogus stack?
[07:40] <Amaranth> asac: that's the thing, i don't
[07:41] <Amaranth> all stacktraces that show compiz dying in eventLoop are basically worthless, it probably went bad some time before this
[07:42] <asac> ok. i would assume that the bug is just a sink for unrelated bogus compiz crashers :)
[07:42] <slangasek> so what you need is for someone to try to run their compositing window manager under valgrind... :)
[07:42]  * slangasek gets the dry heaves
[07:42] <Amaranth> slangasek: sure, just go make a sandwich or something while it starts
[07:42] <asac> Amaranth: maybe you could post instructions on how to run compiz to get more valuable information?
[07:43] <slangasek> Amaranth: I think my laptop would melt down, and that would make me sad
[07:43] <asac> of course if out of luck those that reported the bug don't see it again
[07:43] <Amaranth> no one seems to get this more than once
[07:43] <Amaranth> until i try to close the bug, then they come out of the woodwork
[07:44] <Amaranth> but when i ask them to help me fix it they all go away again
[07:44] <calc> Amaranth: mark it won't fix then? ;-)
[07:44] <Amaranth> i'm tempted
[07:45] <slangasek> oh?  for instance, I don't see any follow-ups to bug #198467 (the latest dupe)
[07:45] <calc> its the closest to can't fix we have
[07:45] <slangasek> which was filed after the last comments in the main bug, so
[07:45] <Amaranth> how the heck did apport manage to autodupe that one?
[07:46] <slangasek> apport is maagic
[07:46] <asac> Amaranth: is there usually enough system information gathered during bug submission? otherwise you could add an apport hook to compiz package
[07:46] <slangasek> anyway, we can probably take this over to #u-devel, right?
[07:46] <Amaranth> yeah
[07:55]  * calc gone to bed
[09:51] <ogra_cmpc> @schedule
[09:51] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00: MOTU
[10:54] <foldart> @schedule
[10:54] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00: MOTU
[10:54] <foldart> @schedule sydney
[10:54] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 20 Mar 08:00: Server Team | 27 Mar 08:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 15:00: MOTU
[14:30] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[14:30] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 20 Mar 08:00: Server Team | 27 Mar 08:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 15:00: MOTU
[14:45] <zul> @schedule montreal
[14:45] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 19 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 00:00: MOTU
[18:28] <keescook> @now utc
[18:28] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: March 19 2008, 18:28:18 - Next meeting: Server Team in 2 hours 31 minutes
[20:02] <nijaba> @now utc
[20:02] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: March 19 2008, 20:02:57 - Next meeting: Server Team in 57 minutes
[20:03] <jdstrand> hi kirkland!
[20:03] <jdstrand> hi nijaba!
[20:03] <nijaba> hey jdstrand, long time no see ;)
[20:03] <kirkland> jdstrand: howdy, i think the meeting is in +1 hour, right?
[20:03] <Seveas> kirkland, ubotu just said that :)
[20:03] <nijaba> ubotu just said 57min
[20:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about just said 57min - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:03] <kirkland> so say ubotu
[20:04] <kirkland> Seveas: yep, I agree ;-)
[20:04] <jdstrand> kirkland: ah, maybe
[20:04] <jdstrand> I thought someone said 2 hours 15 minutes about 2 hours and 15 minutes ago
[20:04]  * jdstrand goes back under his rock
[20:04] <gcleric> @now utc
[20:04] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: March 19 2008, 20:04:44 - Next meeting: Server Team in 55 minutes
[20:57] <zul> evening
[20:57] <sommer> hello
[20:57] <gcleric> aloha!
[20:58] <mathiaz> helloww !
[20:58] <keescook> \m/
[20:58] <nijaba> meow
[20:58]  * jdstrand waves
[20:59] <mathiaz> alright - let's get this started
[20:59] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[21:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 22:00. The chair is mathiaz.
[21:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:00]  * kirkland o/
[21:00] <mathiaz> welcome to this pre-easter server team meeting
[21:00] <nijaba> pre beta as well
[21:01] <soren> o/
[21:01] <mathiaz> nijaba: right - I was putting my stomach before ubuntu...
[21:01]  * soren is only sort of here.
[21:01] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[21:01] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] iSCSI Support
[21:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  iSCSI Support
[21:02] <mathiaz> soren: while you're around what's the move on iscsi ?
[21:02] <soren> That's me.
[21:02] <soren> Right, I've gotten the "Ok, go!" from our mighty release manager to make the appropriate changes to make root-on-iscsi work.
[21:03] <mathiaz> soren: when would that work land in hardy ?
[21:03] <mathiaz> soren: I guess it won't make it for beta
[21:03] <soren> I've got the easy 65% done, but I'm missing the confusing last 65%.
[21:03] <soren> No, certainly post-beta.
[21:03] <soren> Unfortunately.
[21:03] <mathiaz> soren: the next widespread testing would be RC
[21:03] <mathiaz> We should try to get widespread testing before that
[21:03] <soren> Sure.
[21:04] <soren> I'm off from after this meeting until Tuesday, so if anyone wants to pick it up, now's the time to sout.
[21:04] <mathiaz> soren: what is needed to test root-on-iscsi ?
[21:04] <soren> shout, even.
[21:04] <soren> mathiaz: Fancy, expensive hardware :(
[21:04] <mathiaz> soren: pick it up == implement it ?
[21:05] <nijaba> what about iscsi target, would it work?
[21:05] <soren> mathiaz: The specific use case I'm trying to cater for is blade servers that have iscsi support in the bios.
[21:05] <nijaba> guess not then
[21:05] <soren> It hurts my head just thinking about it.
[21:05] <soren> These things install grub on the iscsi share... and it works.
[21:05] <soren> It's very confusing.
[21:06] <mathiaz> soren: do you have access to such hardware ?
[21:06] <soren> mathiaz: Nope.
[21:06] <mathiaz> soren: or do you know of such products ?
[21:06] <soren> mathiaz: ...and that's not helping either :)
[21:06] <soren> mathiaz: I'm aware of their existence, and I have a friendly guy that tells me that it doesn't work.
[21:06] <soren> and I totally see why, and he's given me some helpful hints about what to do.
[21:06] <mathiaz> soren: so you have a tester at least
[21:07] <soren> Yes.
[21:07] <mathiaz> soren: great.
[21:07] <nijaba> faulkes- might have some dell blade at hand, not sure if he can use them for testing though
[21:07] <soren> I just need to accept that fact that the initial booting procedure works and the try to make ends meet.
[21:07] <mathiaz> of course if anyone has access to such hardware, I'm sure that soren would appreicate some help in that
[21:08] <nijaba> and I don't even know if dell blades supports this
[21:08] <mathiaz> ok - let's move on
[21:09] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] LSB compliant init script
[21:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  LSB compliant init script
[21:09] <mathiaz> kirkland: how do you survive to this task ?
[21:09] <kirkland> mathiaz: :-)  The task will not be completed in Hardy
[21:10] <kirkland> mathiaz: discussion ensued on ubuntu-devel@
[21:10] <kirkland> mathiaz: and it was determined that these changes are not acceptable in a Beta Freeze timeframe
[21:10] <nijaba> (from Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who), "A feature's a
[21:10] <nijaba> feature no matter how small".
[21:10] <kirkland> mathiaz: I still believe in the importance of the work, but I understand and agree with the freeze process
[21:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: at this point, I suggest that we work with Keybuk on a plan for Intrepid
[21:11] <zul> imho ideally we should have a spec for this in ibex and we can pile in more features that we want
[21:11] <mathiaz> kirkland: Well - to be correct - the changes are suitable for a FeatureFreeze Exception
[21:11] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes - let's differ that to UDS
[21:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: s/differ/defer/, yes
[21:12] <kirkland> mathiaz: I'll update the Roadmap accordingly
[21:12] <mathiaz> kirkland: thanks.
[21:12]  * kirkland action ^
[21:12] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to update the Roadmap wrt to the init script work
[21:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to update the Roadmap wrt to the init script work
[21:13] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Guide
[21:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Server Guide
[21:13] <mathiaz> sommer: so tomorrow is string freeze
[21:13] <mathiaz> sommer: what's the state of the guide now ?
[21:13] <sommer> should be good to go!
[21:13]  * nijaba hugs sommer
[21:13] <sommer> made a bug fix, grammar fix, update commit about 45 min ago
[21:13] <zul> yay!!
[21:13] <mathiaz> sommer: which section have been updated and reviewed wrt last week ?
[21:14] <sommer> mathiaz: pretty much all of them
[21:15] <mathiaz> sommer: so once we're in documentationstring freeze, what are you plans ?
[21:15] <sommer> I guess the only one I may have a question about is the bzr section
[21:15]  * nijaba thinks sommer should take some vacations
[21:15] <sommer> heh, probably help test dapper to hardy upgrades and what not
[21:16] <mathiaz> sommer: I meant on the documentation front ?
[21:16] <mathiaz> sommer: are we pretty much done for hardy ?
[21:16] <sommer> mathiaz: oh right, I think we're pretty well there
[21:16] <sommer> I guess if there are ideas for ibex we can start gathering them
[21:17] <sommer> I have a few, but the more the merrier
[21:17] <mathiaz> sommer: could you add them to the IdeaPool page ?
[21:17] <sommer> sure, will do
[21:17] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/IdeaPool
[21:17] <nijaba> I think someone should go sort the good ideas from the brainstorm stuff
[21:18] <mathiaz> for general interest, this page is used to track ideas for the next cycle
[21:18]  * zul didnt know about that
[21:19] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer to add ideas to the IdeaPool page about documentation improvements during the next release.
[21:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer to add ideas to the IdeaPool page about documentation improvements during the next release.
[21:20] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Server survey
[21:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server survey
[21:20] <mathiaz> nijaba: what's new on this front ?
[21:21] <nijaba> We are currently fixing the last bugs
[21:21] <nijaba> and waiting for the security review of limesurvey by keescook
[21:22] <mathiaz> nijaba: ok.
[21:23] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Status reporting
[21:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status reporting
[21:23] <mathiaz> I've been trying to rework the satus reporting
[21:23] <faulkes-> there were some questions re: isci booting and testing?
[21:24] <mathiaz> and how we try to know what's happening in the Ubuntu Server team on the development side of things
[21:24] <soren> faulkes-: Yeah. WOuld you be able to help with testing?
[21:24]  * nijaba notes that he asked faulkes- to join about iscsi testing
[21:24] <nijaba> duh
[21:24] <faulkes-> yes, I can help, there is one caveat to that, which is time based
[21:24] <soren> -> /msg
[21:25] <faulkes-> I inherited this environment, the previous admin who shall remain nameless has never turned on the iscsi box ;)
[21:25] <faulkes-> so I have to go to the colo and conf it up
[21:25] <faulkes-> which won't be until next week, tuesday most likely
[21:25] <mathiaz> so I have the idea of publishing a weekly status report from the server team
[21:25] <faulkes-> otherwise, I'd be happy to help test it
[21:25] <soren> faulkes-: Cool.
[21:25] <mathiaz> to list what we've done and what needs to be tested and or when we request feedback
[21:26] <soren> faulkes-: I'm off until Tuesday. We can talk then?
[21:26] <faulkes-> sure
[21:26] <mathiaz> any ideas on the form this could take ?
[21:26] <mathiaz> email or blog or something else ?
[21:26] <mathiaz> would this be useful ?
[21:27] <nijaba> blog is nice
[21:27] <nijaba> but should it be weekly?
[21:27] <mathiaz> nijaba: well - there is already the montlyreport
[21:28] <mathiaz> nijaba: however a lot of things are happening in the server team
[21:28] <mathiaz> nijaba: and our section in the monthlyreport is already big.
[21:28] <nijaba> I mean, we could have a server team blog where we log the new stuff
[21:28] <mathiaz> nijaba: may a every other week then
[21:28] <nijaba> does not have to be a *weekly* thinkg
[21:29] <mathiaz> nijaba: I thought about starting a blog for the serverteam
[21:29] <mathiaz> nijaba: mainly focused on development
[21:29] <nijaba> yes
[21:29] <mathiaz> nijaba: a sort of - what's cooking in ubuntu-server
[21:30] <sommer> would it be called "You've been Served" ?
[21:30] <mathiaz> the content would be based on the ReportingPage
[21:30] <mathiaz> sommer: I don't know how it could be named
[21:31] <mathiaz> sommer: I like the idea of cooking - what's coming from the kitchen of the server team
[21:31] <sommer> heh, my last comment was mostly a joke :-)
[21:31] <sommer> from south park???
[21:32] <sommer> I think it's a great idea though
[21:33] <mathiaz> Ok - so I'll think about this a bit more.
[21:33] <mathiaz> Just wanted to throw the idea
[21:33] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Hardy Beta
[21:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardy Beta
[21:34] <mathiaz> As you may know, we're planning to release beta tomorrow thursday
[21:34] <zul> yippe skippe!
[21:34] <nxvl> wasnt' the beta released on sunday?
[21:35] <mathiaz> As usual - testing is welcome !
[21:35] <mathiaz> nxvl: nope - we always release on Thursday
[21:36] <nijaba> I have added some test cases for JeOS https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/JeOSInstall
[21:36] <nxvl> oh you are right
[21:36] <mathiaz> nijaba: is anyone responsible for testing JeOS ?
[21:36] <nijaba> I've been on it...
[21:36] <mathiaz> nijaba: they're not listed on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[21:37] <nijaba> people should defintely register on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[21:37] <nijaba> they will be right after beta
[21:37] <nijaba> was too late for beta, sorry
[21:37] <mathiaz> nijaba: ok
[21:37] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[21:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[21:38] <mathiaz> anyone wants to add something ?
[21:38] <nijaba> bug #162167 ?
[21:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162167 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "mySQL password asks only once" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162167
[21:38] <nijaba> was cited in LinuxJournal
[21:38] <nxvl> 16:30 < mathiaz> email or blog or something else ?
[21:38] <nijaba> nice paper about the security features of the server
[21:38] <nxvl> sorry for that
[21:39] <nxvl> i hit the button i shouldn't hit
[21:39] <faulkes-> nxvl: dell media direct?
[21:39]  * faulkes- whistles innocently
[21:40] <nxvl> faulkes-: nop, left click -> middle click :P
[21:40] <nxvl> nijaba: what about that bug?
[21:41] <nijaba> well, I think we should make sure it is fixed soon
[21:41] <nxvl> ok i will work on it right now
[21:41] <nxvl> :D
[21:41] <nijaba> Thanks Nicolas
[21:42] <mathiaz> alright then
[21:42] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time.
[21:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time.
[21:43] <mathiaz> next week, same place, same time ?
[21:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: yep
[21:43] <nxvl> +1
[21:43] <nijaba> +1
[21:43] <sommer> o//
[21:43] <faulkes-> +1
[21:44] <mathiaz> awesome - so see you all in a week
[21:44] <mathiaz> and happy beta testing/easter chocolate eating :)
[21:45] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, later all
[21:45] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[21:45] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 22:45.
[21:47] <nijaba> thanks all
[22:34] <coreymon77> hi, im here
[23:00] <dwidmann> something
[23:00] <coreymon77> blargh
[23:01] <seele> meeting time?
[23:01] <Riddell> good evening friends
[23:01] <Riddell> anyone here for a meeting?
[23:01] <nosredna_ekim> good evening
[23:01]  * seele waves
[23:01] <Nightrose> heya
[23:01] <jpatrick> evening
[23:01] <dwidmann> good evening indeed
[23:01] <neversfelde|mobi> moin moin
[23:01] <apachelogger_> ahoy
[23:01]  * bzyx slaps Riddell around a bit with a large trout
[23:01] <Czessi> Hi
[23:01] <MPS> moin
[23:01] <Hans_> Moin!
[23:01] <blueyed> Hi
[23:01] <Hans_> Good morning!
[23:01] <Hobbsee> morning all
[23:01] <nosredna_ekim> wow... lots of people I haven't seen :)
[23:01] <MPS> :)
[23:01] <awen_> hey everybody
[23:01] <Riddell> unless nixternal is awake we're lacking quorum
[23:01] <jpatrick> nosredna_ekim: my fault I see...
[23:01] <Hans_> Early in the morning... or late in the eveing?
[23:02] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[23:02] <mhb> hi all
[23:02] <Riddell> memberships is the usual way to start
[23:02] <Riddell> blueyed: about?
[23:02] <alleeHol> hi
[23:02] <blueyed> I'd like to become member of kubuntu-members to express my commitment for Kubuntu and to have commit access to the different bzr repos, e.g. "kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts", to help with providing a better experience for Kubuntu users.
[23:02] <blueyed> I'm very active in bug triaging and have become MOTU in February.
[23:02] <blueyed> Please let me be part of this wonderful team :)
[23:03] <blueyed> questions? :)
[23:03] <Riddell> I've seen a good number of patches ceom from blueyed, which is very welcome
[23:03] <Hans_> Questions? No, Kubuntu is running! :-]
[23:03] <apachelogger_> :P
[23:04] <apachelogger_> unless someone broke it
[23:04] <Hans_> It runs!
[23:04] <apachelogger_> blueyed: what, in your opinion, makes kubuntu the best KDE based distro?
[23:04] <Hans_> No viruses...
[23:04] <Hans_> Wherefore i need a bluescreen?
[23:04] <nosredna_ekim> Hans_: this is a dev meeting, please stay on tpic
[23:05] <Riddell> blueyed: I see you're in 5-a-day, how is that going?
[23:05] <blueyed> apachelogger_: well, I can help out with it.. ;) I also like that we provide both 3.5 and 4.0 (which I'm using)
[23:05] <Hans_> Oh... *searching his glasses
[23:05] <apachelogger_> nosredna_ekim: I am doing karaoke, how much more off topic can it be? :P
[23:05] <blueyed> Riddell: quite good, see the stats.
[23:05] <apachelogger_> blueyed: any future plans for Kubuntu?
[23:06] <Riddell> blueyed: do you actually manage 5 bug triages each day?
[23:06] <hydrogen> if your answer does not include hugs apachelogger will not be happy.
[23:06] <apachelogger_> yeah
[23:06] <blueyed> apachelogger_: nothing in particular, bug^Whug fixing.. ;)
[23:06] <apachelogger_> very good :D
[23:07] <blueyed> Riddell: yes, 5 a day at least..
[23:07] <Riddell> I'm impressed
[23:07] <blueyed> I'm currently looking at fixing virtualbox-ose, which can be used to run Kubuntu in it.. :)
[23:07]  * apachelogger_ never gets above 3
[23:08] <Riddell> +1 from me for lots of bug work
[23:08] <Riddell> we don't really need a vote though since you're already an ubuntu member
[23:08] <blueyed> yep
[23:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: got a vote anyway?
[23:09] <jpatrick> +1 cheer from me :) (even if I can't vote)
[23:09] <daSKreech> apachelogger_: returning hug love?
[23:09]  * alleeHol thumb up
[23:09] <apachelogger_> hm
[23:09] <apachelogger_> +1 for using KDE and the hugs
[23:10] <apachelogger_> daSKreech: more like neverending
[23:10] <Riddell> blueyed: thanks for coming along, welcome to kubuntu membership (I guess Hobbsee fell asleep)
[23:10] <Riddell> Czessi: about?
[23:10] <Hobbsee> +1
[23:10]  * Hobbsee was searching for missing money, sorry
[23:10]  * apachelogger_ gives Hobbsee a cup of coffee
[23:10] <Riddell> ah, groovy
[23:10] <Czessi> My name ist Marcus Czeslinski and was bor in June 1978, Germany/Berlin. I work for Kubuntu, especially Kubuntu Germany, since september 2005. In real live I id nothing with computers/linux.
[23:10] <blueyed> Thanks! And hugs!
[23:10]  * Hobbsee doesn't drink coffee :P
[23:10] <Czessi> I'll willl become a Kubuntu members because my next step ist to become a MOTU, but still no time in this monemt. More about my work is listet on my wiki page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Czessi
[23:10] <daSKreech> Riddell: From all that waking up she did?
[23:11] <Hobbsee> yay, Czessi is back!
[23:11] <Czessi> questions?
[23:11]  * apachelogger_ takes the coffee away and gives Hobbsee a cup of green tea
[23:11]  * Hobbsee doesnt' drink that either.  better give me pineapple juice, water, or coke.
[23:11] <seele> mmm.. tea
[23:11]  * Hobbsee hands the tea to seele
[23:11] <seele> danke
[23:11]  * apachelogger_ gives Hobbsee a coke light
[23:12] <apachelogger_> we need a bar in here :P
[23:12] <Riddell> Czessi: how is kubuntu-de doing and how is the relationship with ubuntu-de?
[23:12]  * \sh cheers Czessi 
[23:12] <Hobbsee> Czessi: do you still run your third party repo?
[23:12] <Hobbsee> apachelogger_: !! light? !!
[23:12] <mhb> emonkey cheered for Czessi, but he fell asleep, so he couldn't say it himself
[23:12] <MPS|afk> apachelogger_: what about kubine as a barkeeper :D ;)
[23:12] <Hans_> Have a good night and bye! :-)
[23:12] <apachelogger_> Czessi: you have been around for a while, what took you so long to consider membership?
[23:12]  * Nightrose cheers for Czessi since he does excellent work at kubuntu-de
[23:13] <apachelogger_> MPS|afk: kubine is overrated
[23:13] <nosredna_ekim> ah... have to go eat... i'll read jpatricks notes and the logs:)
[23:13] <MPS|afk> apachelogger_: :D
[23:13] <Czessi> kubuntu-de supports the german kubuntu users an will try to get the people involved in kubuntu-de and kubuntu
[23:13] <Czessi> at events we work fine togeathe with ubuntu-de
[23:13]  * MPS|afk is going to bed now. have fun
[23:14] <apachelogger_> MPS|afk: good night
[23:14] <MPS|afk> theakki: moinsen tt ;)
[23:14] <theakki> MPS:moin
[23:14] <Czessi> next time is planned an entry page for all the german ubuntu and kubuntu sites
[23:14] <MPS|afk> theakki: bin trozdem pennen. bis nachert
[23:14] <Czessi> to the question from Hobbsee
[23:14] <theakki> mps: i denke du bist off
[23:14] <Czessi> When I switched from Debian SID to Kubuntu 5.04 I missing always the latest Amarok, Kaffeine and K3b packages. That the begin of my packaging work. Some month later Riddell has launched the repositories at kubuntu.org. But there still lack of some futures in this packages (like libtunepimp with mp3 support or k3b with dvd ripping support) and so I enlarge my repository. Now the repository is dead because the Kubuntu.org or
[23:14] <Czessi> the Kubuntu ppa packages are great and I have no time for packaging in this moment.:(  When I've more time for packaging I'll upload to Ubuntu directly and hopefully become a MOTU.
[23:15] <apachelogger_> hm, MOTUs ftw!
[23:15] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[23:15] <Czessi> the question from apachelogger_  ...
[23:16] <yuriy> hi
[23:16] <Czessi> my english is very bad and so i have some panic to write in english
[23:16] <apachelogger_> learning by doing :)
[23:16] <Czessi> oh yes :)
[23:16] <apachelogger_> Czessi: future plans for Kubuntu?
[23:17] <apachelogger_> besides becoming a MOTU
[23:17] <Hobbsee> Czessi: it's fine, for a german :)
[23:17]  * txwikinger cheers for Czessi. He does a lot for the Kubuntu-de.org site
[23:17] <Hobbsee> (seeing as they tend to have a fairly whacky sense of english anyway)
[23:17] <Czessi> Hobbsee: thanks ;)
[23:17]  * Hobbsee runs away from all the germans in the room
[23:17]  * neversfelde|mobi too
[23:17] <neversfelde|mobi> Czessi is an allround kubuntu supporter. He looks after the kubuntu-de.org main portal, he is around at every "free software event" in germany and manages our booth and in addition he coordinates german speaking community. Marcus is absolutely essential for kubuntu-de.org project, but there is one mistake:
[23:17] <neversfelde|mobi> The "c" in his name Marcus, maybe he should rename himself to MarKus :D
[23:17] <Nightrose> haha Hobbsee
[23:17]  * apachelogger_ takes the coke light away from Hobbsee
[23:17] <fat-head> heya
[23:17]  * Nightrose puts away the cookies she had for Hobbsee
[23:17] <Nightrose> :P
[23:18] <fat-head> this strictly kde ?
[23:18]  * txwikinger wonders what Hobsee has against Germans
[23:18] <txwikinger> Hobbsee even
[23:18]  * daSKreech applies for said Kookies
[23:18]  * blizzzek cheers for Czessi and his work for kubuntu-de and his fine organization for events as linuxtag
[23:18] <Riddell> Czessi gets +1 from me for great community work and I look forward to him becoming MOTU
[23:18] <Czessi> future plans: packages and fix bugs are good things but i think kubuntu need more promotion. i see that we have in future some good marketing stuff
[23:18] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: nothing.  in fact, i even speak al ittle german.  i just know tha tthey often don't speak english (grammar-wise) well, as it's so different to german.  the italians are worse, though.
[23:18]  * Nightrose hands the Kookies to daSKreech
[23:18] <Hobbsee> +1 Czessi from here too
[23:18] <apachelogger_> +1 for packaging love, kubuntu support and the event promotion
[23:19] <\sh> Riddell: you will get a second apachelogger_ ;)
[23:19] <daSKreech> Whoot!
[23:19] <apachelogger_> breaking KDE every once in a while? :P
[23:19]  * daSKreech gets stuffed
[23:19] <Riddell> Czessi: we will need to wait for a third Kubuntu Council member to confirm the vote, but its looking good, congratulations
[23:19] <\sh> apachelogger_: bah...fixing your breaks ;)
[23:20] <Czessi> thanks
[23:20]  * Hobbsee curses launchpad.
[23:20] <Hobbsee> forgot to log in the second time.
[23:20] <apachelogger_> \sh: breaks are what makes using latest dev series interessting IMO ;P
[23:20] <Riddell> anyone else going for membership?
[23:21] <Riddell> then apachelogger_ has an agenda item
[23:21] <Hobbsee> and i do, at the end.
[23:21]  * neversfelde|mobi pokes txwikinger
[23:21]  * genii puts on another pot of coffee
[23:21] <txwikinger> neversfelde|mobi: yes
[23:21] <apachelogger_> eean suggested some weeks ago to make dragonplayer the default player for KDE 4
[23:21] <apachelogger_> I guess eean or mxcl are going to give us some thoughts why that is a good idea
[23:22] <mxcl> hello
[23:22] <Riddell> eean is in luck, it already is :)
[23:22] <mxcl> good decision :)
[23:22] <apachelogger_> we just need to keep it that way ;-)
[23:22] <Riddell> however that could change in future releases
[23:22] <daSKreech> so does that clear up the agenda?
[23:22] <Hobbsee> why not amarok?
[23:23] <apachelogger_> Oo
[23:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I presume this is for video
[23:23] <daSKreech> Amarok doesn't exist?
[23:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhhh....
[23:23] <Riddell> mxcl: are there plans for embedded dragonplayer in konqueror?
[23:23] <mxcl> dragon is a nice just works, simple, sensible defaults video player, I'm sure eean will keep it that way
[23:23] <eean> Riddell: yes
[23:23] <mxcl> Riddell: codeine had that, so I assume eean is just being lazy in not having a kpart yet
[23:24] <eean> it is a kpart ;)
[23:24] <eean> already
[23:24] <eean> the plan is adding the javascript support
[23:24] <mxcl> I take it back.. :)
[23:24] <daSKreech> mxcl: Or you were lazy for not checking :)
[23:24] <Riddell> eean: so will it work with bbc.co.uk for example (my main use case)
[23:24] <mxcl> daSKreech: guilty indeed
[23:24] <eean> so that it can be useful for something (by pretending to be quicktime or wmp)
[23:25] <Riddell> eean: we recently added automatic codec install to kaffine in KDE 3, can that be added to dragon?
[23:25] <yuriy> i coulda sworn i had dragonplayer embedded in konqueror yesterday... didn't work too well though
[23:25] <eean> Riddell: well I added that support to Amarok, so sure :)
[23:26]  * apachelogger_ cheers
[23:26] <eean> yuriy: yea that sounds about right
[23:26] <alleeHol> Riddell: when phonon will uses gstreamer don't we get codec install for free?
[23:26] <\sh> eean: what about rtmp(s) support, to have a native player != flash? ;)
[23:26] <Riddell> alleeHol: not honestly sure
[23:26] <Hobbsee> hm, nice pink desktop
[23:26] <eean> \sh: well that's up to the phonon backend
[23:26] <eean> I'm not even sure what rtmp is exactly, but I'm pretty sure it's a phonon issue
[23:26] <eean> :)
[23:27] <apachelogger_> alleeHol: I think that would currently pull in a lot of gnome dependencies
[23:27] <nixternal> bah
[23:27] <\sh> eean: flv is flash media server videos ;)
[23:27] <apachelogger_> nixternal: go do your votes!
[23:27] <Riddell> eean: I noticed dragonplayer doesn't play multiple files when I start them on the command line, is that deliberate?
[23:27] <\sh> eean: and hopefully not phonons part of being a video container format ;)
[23:28] <nixternal> Riddell: +1 on blueyed
[23:28] <eean> Riddell: yes, there's no playlist support
[23:28] <\sh> eean: and rtmp is adobes streaming protocol
[23:28] <nixternal> Riddell: +1 Czessi
[23:28] <daSKreech> So if I call dragonplayer file1.ext file2.ext it only plays on?
[23:28] <Riddell> well done to blueyed and Czessi
[23:28] <apachelogger_> Czessi: congrats *hug*
[23:28] <eean> Riddell: part of keeping simple
[23:28] <Czessi> thanks a lot :)
[23:28] <eean> Daviey: yes
[23:28] <eean> erm
[23:29] <eean> daSKreech: yes
[23:29] <\sh> eean: you can get more infos about it on http://osflash.org/red5 (which is an OSS rtmp streaming server)
[23:29] <nixternal> congrats blueyed and Czessi! welcome!
[23:29] <neversfelde|mobi> Czessi: congrats
[23:29]  * Czessi spend some virtual beer
[23:29] <daSKreech> eean: what if I drag and drop a folder on it
[23:29] <eean> \sh: heh seriously, its not even a phonon issue, it's a gstreamer, xine issue
[23:29] <nixternal> sorry about being late
[23:29] <\sh> Czessi: blueyed congrats :)
[23:29] <Hobbsee> hi vistalover
[23:29] <Nightrose> congrats Czessi and blueyed
[23:29] <neversfelde|mobi> congrats blueyed
[23:29] <blueyed> thanks :)
[23:29]  * apachelogger_ gives blueyed some cookies
[23:29] <\sh> finally czessi made it :) cool...something to celebrate during linuxtag :)
[23:30] <Riddell> eean: and presumably it plays DVDs?
[23:30] <eean> \sh: dragon player is a few thousnd lines of code on top of a very large stack of multimedia code that someone had to write
[23:30] <yuriy> congratulations Czessi and blueyed !
[23:30] <eean> Riddell: yep
[23:30] <Hobbsee> is jussi01 really not amember yet?
[23:30] <asobi> hmm, i like playlist support...
[23:30] <Riddell> eean: do you have an opinion on xine vs gstreamer?
[23:30] <apachelogger_> Riddell: it's actually using solid, so it will autodetect which drive to use when you got 2 drives :D
[23:30] <eean> Riddell: well right now it requires xine, I'm working with phonon to remove this
[23:30] <mxcl> playlists and video are not generally desired by the 90th percentile
[23:30] <\sh> eean: good then :)
[23:31] <nixternal> heh, xine nor gstreamer works for me...the only app I can watch videos on is MPlayer, everything else is broken
[23:31] <eean> Riddell: already added subtitle support to phonon, now just need dvd menu support
[23:31] <Hobbsee> bah.  Riddell beat me.
[23:31] <asobi> whaaaaaaaaaaa? playlists are awesome
[23:31] <daSKreech>  nixternal cause you are installing them on vista!
[23:31]  * daSKreech ducks
[23:32] <Riddell> eean: I think that's all, it's already on the KDE 4 CD as I say, thanks for a useful app and I'm looking forward to it playing news.bbc.co.uk videos
[23:32] <mxcl> asobi: welcome to the 5th percentile
[23:33] <eean> Riddell: heh ok :)
[23:33]  * apachelogger_ thanks eean and mxcl
[23:33] <\sh> time to hit the bed
[23:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee has an agenda item?
[23:33] <apachelogger_> \sh: nini
[23:33] <Nightrose> nini \sh
[23:34] <Riddell> eean: oh, have you had seele or the like look it over for user testing?
[23:34] <mxcl> oh and a pleasure :)
[23:34] <seele> not me
[23:34] <eean> Riddell: no. but I consider mxcl to be a UI genius. ;)
[23:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: once launchpad gets their act in gear, there will be a mailing list for kubuntu-members-kde4, instead of going to my inbox.
[23:35] <Hobbsee> so this is a warning to people to sign up for it, when it's done.
[23:35] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I assume you will let us know when it is ready to sign up for?
[23:35] <Hobbsee> i don't know when it will actually get done, as iirc it's been over a week already, and they say they turn it around in a couple of days normally.
[23:35] <nixternal> hahaha, sorry
[23:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah.  but i only check every once in a while myself, as i doubt i get email over it.
[23:36]  * Hobbsee has asked for an ETA recently, but got no response, due to time of day.
[23:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: and that'll be used for build notifications?
[23:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, and anyone who emails it to communicate.
[23:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: would be nice to put bugmail on there too, i guess, isntead of spamming everyone in the team.
[23:37] <Riddell> ok
[23:37] <Riddell> hopefully that'll get set up soon
[23:38] <Riddell> thanks Hobbsee
[23:38] <Riddell> daSKreech had an agenda item?
[23:38] <daSKreech> Debian is having KDE 4.1 alpha packages then a set of regular packages after that tracking trunk
[23:39] <nixternal> daSKreech: where are they storing them?
[23:39] <daSKreech> I had asked a few times for packages to track trunk but it's not an easy task
[23:39] <daSKreech> nixternal: servers I'd guess ?
[23:39] <daSKreech> I didn't ask I can find out
[23:39] <Riddell> its not a hard task, its just time consuming
[23:39] <nixternal> daSKreech: where did they announce this at?
[23:39] <Riddell> and we already have two KDE versions to look after
[23:39] <daSKreech> would it make sense for us to work with them?
[23:40] <daSKreech> nixternal: They didn't I asked on irc.debian
[23:40] <nixternal> daSKreech: still, we have to change 99% of what Debian does
[23:40] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: just got an email about the new list - so I guess it is up and running
[23:40] <Riddell> if someone wants to compile 4.1 packages for hardy or even gutsy, by all means do
[23:40] <daSKreech> nixternal: 99% sounds high
[23:40] <daSKreech> ;-)
[23:40] <Riddell> I expect in Intepid we'll get a lot closer to Debian again if we go for /usr
[23:40] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: ah ha.  my whining in #launchpad did something, then.
[23:41] <nixternal> Riddell: I have already started working on a script to attempt the automation of such a feat, but like you said, it is very time consuming
[23:41] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: ;-)
[23:41] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: the link doesn't work though.
[23:41] <Nightrose> meh
[23:41] <Riddell> daSKreech: you could just throw their sources at a PPA and see what sticks
[23:41] <daSKreech> Would it make sense for us to work with them? We could probably help get out packages faster (the current rate I heard being thrown around was every 2 weeks)
[23:42]  * Nightrose beats apachelogger_ with a large neon
[23:42] <apachelogger_> ah
[23:42] <apachelogger_> that wasn't nice :(
[23:42] <daSKreech> and they could help provide scripts and unit tests for us
[23:42] <Nightrose> sorry honey ;-)
[23:42] <daSKreech> does PPA do unit testing?
[23:42] <nixternal> Riddell: tried that, nothing sticks unfortunately
[23:42] <apachelogger_> trunk roling is actually quite easy
[23:42] <nixternal> ie. remember the decibel issue for one
[23:42] <apachelogger_> if done properly
[23:42] <apachelogger_> I am currently working on nightly builds for amarok
[23:42]  * hydrogen also neons apachelogger_
[23:42] <apachelogger_> including it's most important deps
[23:43] <apachelogger_> like qt-copy and kdelibs
[23:43] <daSKreech> apachelogger_: want to help bridge the debian packages?
[23:43] <nixternal> I already have a qt-copy package completed
[23:43] <apachelogger_> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/User:Apachelogger/Project_Neon/Dev
[23:43] <Riddell> daSKreech: we do already base our packages off theirs
[23:43] <apachelogger_> if anyone is interessted
[23:43] <daSKreech> Nightrose: Neon?
[23:43] <Nightrose> daSKreech: see link
[23:43] <Riddell> daSKreech: got any specific unit tests in mind?
[23:43] <daSKreech> Riddell: I know. but we have no plans for a 4.1 run yet
[23:44] <nixternal> we won't be dealing with 4.1 until after the first couple of months of Intrepid
[23:44] <daSKreech> Riddell: I was hoping for meta packages to be tested for the sub packages install and a single run
[23:44] <Riddell> nixternal: I'd expect we'd dive right in
[23:44] <nixternal> we will do our 4.1 run on that more than likely and then backport when ready
[23:44] <nixternal> Riddell: oh no doubt
[23:44] <daSKreech> Yes but Alpha 4.1 ships I think on the same week of Hardy shipping
[23:45] <daSKreech> let me check that
[23:45] <Riddell> so we can start on alpha the next day :)
[23:45] <nixternal> daSKreech: if you want to fire up a 4.1 ppa, like Riddell said, by all means go ahead
[23:45] <apachelogger_> hum
[23:45] <daSKreech> ok :)
[23:45] <nixternal> I know I am a bit strapped for time currently to do so
[23:45] <apachelogger_> Riddell: when do we have the party then? Oo
[23:45] <Riddell> apachelogger_: the same night :)
[23:45] <apachelogger_> that is going to be one awesome 4.1 start-off :D
[23:46]  * nixternal has to go eat dinner...back in a few...will read scrollback
[23:46] <daSKreech> I guess it would make more sense for me to do a gusty ppa since there are plans for interpid ?
[23:46] <daSKreech> Intrepid
[23:46] <Riddell> daSKreech: hardy
[23:47] <daSKreech> -->_<-- sorry hardy
[23:47] <Riddell> with beta out tomorrow everyone should be onto hardy now
[23:47] <Riddell> has everyone been doing beta testing???
[23:47]  * Nightrose has but will keep her gutsy for another week or two ;-)
[23:48]  * apachelogger_ has been doing alpha fixing and hopes that was good enough so that there is no need for beta testing
[23:48] <daSKreech> Kinda :)
[23:48] <Riddell> we need more gutsy -> hardy upgrade testing
[23:48] <daSKreech> I reinstalled my machine with hardy but I have KDE4 pure on it
[23:48] <Nightrose> Riddell: will do when I get back from visiting my family - is that good enough?
[23:48] <Nightrose> think monday or tuesday
[23:49] <Riddell> Nightrose: well beta is out tomorrow, but all testing is good
[23:49] <Nightrose> will be sitting in a train tomorrow ;-)
[23:49] <Riddell> nixternal: did I see you were doing release notes?
[23:49] <neversfelde|mobi> is testing in a virtual box good enough, or should I do this on a real machine?
[23:49] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: virtual box is fine
[23:49] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: will do some testing then
[23:50] <neversfelde|mobi> but tomorrow, gn8
[23:50] <daSKreech> night
[23:50] <apachelogger_> neversfelde|mobi: best scenario would be with all kde packages installed
[23:50] <Czessi> i will reinstall my system and i can test on my real system
[23:50] <calc> Riddell: don't forgot dapper->hardy as well ;-)
[23:50] <Riddell> any other agenda iteams?
[23:50] <neversfelde|mobi> apachelogger_: k, is there a way to easy install all kde packages?
[23:50]  * txwikinger will do some testing too
[23:50] <calc> Riddell: or is hardy not a LTS for kubuntu?
[23:51] <apachelogger_> neversfelde|mobi: just search in adept for KDE and install everything that turns up ;-)
[23:51] <Riddell> calc: its not but we should still test that since people will be doing it anyway
[23:51] <apachelogger_> calc: no, it is not
[23:51] <calc> Riddell: ah ok :)
[23:51] <apachelogger_> I have a dapper VBox here
[23:51] <apachelogger_> so I can test that
[23:51] <neversfelde|mobi> apachelogger_: that isn't as easy as I hoped. :)
[23:52] <Riddell> apachelogger_: you'd need to use update-manager
[23:52] <calc> Riddell: yea people might end up assuming it will work since kubuntu and ubuntu are so closely related
[23:52] <apachelogger_> Riddell: k
[23:52] <apachelogger_> neversfelde|mobi: pfft :P
[23:52]  * awen_ digs out his old dapper cd for testing
[23:53] <Riddell> if no other agenda items then hugs to all the beta testers and thanks for coming
[23:54] <seele> 'night all
[23:54] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: you can subscribe on launchpad though - just did that
[23:55] <Riddell> oh yuriy had an item
[23:56] <yuriy> i was wondering if it would be possible to get the new gtk-qt-engine into hardy
[23:56] <yuriy> blueyed tried packaging it but got stuck on something
[23:57] <apachelogger_> I guess it would need a FFe
[23:57] <blueyed> I could invest some more time into it, but I think others might be more experienced with kde packaging.. See also bug 188415 ..
[23:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188415 in gtk-qt-engine "GTK themes doesn't work properly in KDE4" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188415
[23:57] <Riddell> yuriy: gtk-qt engine isn't the most stable of software, in my opinion it may well not be post-beta material
[23:57] <Riddell> on the other hand gtk apps to look ugly currently, so if it works we could try
[23:57] <apachelogger_> Riddell: gtk-qt-kde4 is working quite well here
[23:58] <apachelogger_> some rendering glitches
[23:58] <apachelogger_> but better than unthemed GTK IMO
[23:58] <yuriy> apachelogger_: David's one or the other one off kde-look?
[23:58] <apachelogger_> kde-look
[23:58] <blueyed> Have you tried running gtk apps with GTK2_RC_FILES unset, or from krunner?
[23:59] <yuriy> i haven't tried yet, but that just makes it run with the GTK theme right?
[23:59] <yuriy> not ideal, but would be better (and an easy solution) than having them unthemed at all
[23:59] <dasKreech> so we have to wait till luscious leopard to test LTS -> LTS ?