=== Varka_ is now known as Varka === _czessi_ is now known as Czessi === bmk789 is now known as you_guys === you_guys is now known as bmk789 === johnc4511-laptop is now known as johnc4510-laptop === bryce_ is now known as bryyce [06:48] Morning all [06:49] * slangasek wavse [06:49] hello [06:51] * ogra_cmpc yawns [06:51] hi! [06:51] heya [06:54] hi [06:55] * ArneGoetje waves [06:55] Greetings all. [06:56] evening [06:57] * slangasek waves to the round of new arrivals :) [07:00] good morning [07:01] Morning cjwatson. [07:03] * bryyce waves [07:03] ok, so the first thing I had was to check up on beta status, and find out if there are any red lights [07:04] green light from me [07:04] xorg: green [07:04] Intend to do another FAT32 wubi install in the next half hour or so, but green appart from a few non-critical a11y issues that are ongoing. [07:04] ltsp needs some post beta love still but good for beta ... same for edubuntu [07:05] things appear to be on schedule, no one's milestoned any new bugs that would force us to reroll all the CDs [07:05] things look ok here, oem-config is missing tzmap fixes, but they don't cause it to crash or are devistating. Ubiquity looks good aside from the usability issues in the tzmap. [07:05] 2.4 final releases next week, barring any other issues cropping up [07:05] ogra_cmpc: btw, my classmate install i did for testing didn't work anymore when i wanted to demonstrate it this weeken [07:05] and i plan to have debs for it as soon as possible after release, i have about 66 in progress bugs to go over for it [07:05] define "didnt work" [07:06] ogra_cmpc: well, after login the desktop comes up, but its rather frozen [07:06] (and probably better past meeting :)) [07:06] e.g. i cannot do anything at all [07:06] yeah [07:06] bug 199129 worried me slightly; is that generally being seen during testing? [07:07] ah indeed. That showed up for me during testing, iirc. [07:07] Though I clicked cancel [07:07] and thus had no issue progressing [07:07] * cjwatson <- slightly freaked out by beta candidates being ready a day early, though not actually complaining ;-) [07:08] ehm, it's not early according to the schedule... :) [07:08] yeah, that langasek guy is scary [07:08] getting us ahead of time :) [07:08] I was thinking of past form more than the schedule. :-) [07:08] and we still need more TESTS so we can know if the candidates are any good ;) [07:08] * evand will thoroughly test the candidates after a few hours of sleep. [07:09] right. so does anyone have a good reason to be doing anything other than beta candidate testing today? [07:09] * TheMuso will be doing just that tomorrow. [07:09] (modulo timezones) [07:10] yes, I also have to draft a release announcement [07:10] :) [07:10] is getting very drunk a good reason? :) [07:10] And can give wubi a good flogging if need be. [07:10] * ogra_cmpc raises hand for classmate work ... but i did my ltsp and addon installs yesterday already [07:10] i can spend a half day without feeling bad. i have backport security fixes and drive general blocker bugs forward [07:10] cjwatson: i can do testing, or continue on the OOo stuff :) [07:10] slangasek: and I have to review it, but yes ... [07:11] * ArneGoetje is still downloading the image since yesterday... download speed for kubuntu images really sucks here at the moment... [07:11] indeed, I'll also try to break Wubi. [07:11] evand: I'm assuming no progress on the kernel command-line thing... [07:11] doko: wrt GoOOCon i hadn't heard definite from you yet if you are also attending? [07:11] flogging wubi implies rebuilding the CDs so the new version gets on there? [07:12] TheMuso: there possibly is, but it's lumped in some changes that are awaiting a beta freeze exception [07:12] I'll go through and do reinstalls on my systems too. Most of my remaining bug priorities are more minor [07:12] or is it just the standalone that we're worrying about? [07:12] ArneGoetje, use rsync, even rsyncing kubuntu on top of an ubuntu image you have already saves bandwith [07:12] TheMuso: though he shoved some things in the preseed file so the issue should be mitigated regardless [07:12] ogra_cmpc: rsync is even slower... :( [07:12] (I'm not opposed to selective CD rebuilds with good cause; there are certainly bugs we can fix along the way for a stronger beta if we do that, such as the 199129 that cjwatson mentioned) [07:12] bah [07:12] bad ISPs [07:12] evand: Ok great. [07:12] re download speeds, cdimage is very slow at the moment; I found that repeatedly ctrl-c'ing and wget -c helped [07:13] slangasek: the version of wubi on the CDs should be good. [07:13] cjwatson: thanks for the hint... will try [07:13] same for rsync i found [07:13] ogra_cmpc: I think it's a DC problem; lots of people are reporting it, and elmo has mentioned that cdimage is badly overloaded [07:13] hmm, ctrl-c'ing an rsync and restarting it is tricky though [07:13] yeah, rsync is hard [07:13] mirrors? [07:13] slangasek, why ? it just starts over [07:14] ogra_cmpc: yes, it starts over /from the beginning/ ;) [07:14] right [07:14] which is not what wget -c does [07:14] ogra_cmpc: if you ctrl-c it, it will either discard all the stuff it's rsynced so far, or it will truncate your image and you'll have to download all the rest of it the hard way [07:14] it usually hangs at 0 or 1% [07:14] so there is not much lost [07:14] Setting a partial dir can help. [07:14] cjwatson: yes, much better now... :) [07:15] and here I thought my download issue was all Comcast's fault. Fantastic. [07:15] and i havent had a truncated image yet [07:15] evand: heh yeah I thought I was shaped for a bit. [07:15] shaped, as in gone over quota, and speed limited. [07:15] heh [07:15] I didn't know about --partial-dir; that looks ideal for solving this problem [07:16] I think I settled on my rsync habits when we were preparing warty, and --partial-dir is newer than that :-) [07:17] ogra_cmpc: truncation is if you use --partial [07:17] (not --partial-dir) [07:17] i dont use either ... only -az --progress [07:17] cjwatson: I have a script to fetch all Ubuntu images, and derivatives, I've been thinking of rewriting it in python and making a GUI actually, I think it would be useful for a lot of people. [07:18] not me, short of buying a bigger disk :) [07:18] Anyway, back OT. [07:18] TheMuso: cool; put it up on people.ubuntu.com :-) [07:18] bryyce: I was thinking of packaging it actually, and putting it in ubuntu-dev-tools, or maybe its own package. [07:18] slangasek: I don't keep old images. [07:18] TheMuso: wouldn't that hurt cdimage even more? :P [07:19] I only have one image for each. [07:19] calc: if you can get images in time, doing testing today would be valuable [07:19] (instead of other things) [07:19] cjwatson: ok [07:19] * TheMuso reminds all that his core hours will be 4 hours earlier than usual tomorrow, so will be able to help out with testing even earlier than usual, if images are still being tested. [07:19] calc: but check iso.qa.ubuntu.com first for where the current holes are [07:19] ArneGoetje: maybe it needs a bittorrent backend ;-) [07:20] have the images already been release? [07:20] er released [07:20] calc: not afaik [07:20] ah, too bad i'm due to bed right after the meeting [07:20] define "released"? [07:20] calc: iso.qa.ubuntu.com should have links to current candidates [07:20] cjwatson: ok [07:20] ok, so aside from beta, I wanted to welcome james_w to the platform team [07:21] * asac hugs james_w [07:21] thankyou [07:21] heya james_w [07:21] james_w: Nice to welcome you officially after all this time. [07:21] * slangasek waves to james_w [07:21] hi james_w! [07:21] welcome james_w! [07:21] Hi james_w ! [07:21] thanks all, it's good to work with you all. [07:21] James will be helping us out with general bug-fixing, and you may also know him from bzr-builddeb, so he'll be working on improving our toolset for collaborative maintenance [07:22] * dholbach hugs james_w [07:22] \o/ [07:22] Nice. [07:22] james_w: so I have this bug that was blocking me from merging from the Debian grub subversion repo... :) [07:22] lol [07:22] heh [07:22] hey james [07:23] I have this bug about Debian using git. :p [07:23] slangasek: I saw that. You're really pushing the boundaries there, I don't know anyone who has done what you are :) [07:23] slangasek: I'll take a look later. [07:23] I have these ~ 500 bugs ;) [07:23] evand: i have fewer bugs now :-) [07:23] calc: does this mean I win something? [07:23] evand: not a pony. [07:23] it's a race to the top, right? [07:24] :( [07:24] evand: yea heh [07:24] evand: are you breeding them? :D [07:24] evand: went from ~ 675 bugs to ~ 375 now [07:24] * Amaranth is down to 189 bugs [07:24] wow cdimage is going at 3KB/s for me [07:24] some of which come from calc getting rid of his bugs :P [07:24] * asac doesn't count bugs anymore [07:25] * ogra_cmpc stopped as well [07:25] asac: yikes, i can see why [07:26] so, do we have any other business for the day? my head is full of beta [07:26] wow some of the cdimage servers are much faster than others [07:26] testing of wubi is appreciated [07:26] cjwatson: is rtg on holiday or something? [07:27] this applying to anyone that still has a copy of windows lying around [07:27] i tried to msg him because of some issues we have with intel wifi chipsets [07:27] calc, 2.03K/s [07:27] haha, Windows [07:27] ;) [07:27] e.g. bug 183928 for instance [07:27] bryyce: i hit one that is going at fullrate for me [07:28] * calc keeps its ip secret ;-) [07:28] I'm caring for wubi/windows because its a way of possibly getting more people involved/testing/using Linux a11y. [07:28] asac: rtg is on vacation; I think you want to talk to amitk or BenC [07:28] slangasek: ok ill try [07:28] www.canonicaladmin.com is good for checking on vacations [07:28] * slangasek nods [07:28] there's a holiday calendar widget [07:29] calc: whoa you're right [07:29] asac, amitk is MINE ! (until cmpc resume works) [07:30] but amitk also has this interesting compiz bug i wanted to look at... :P [07:32] right, doesn't seem like a whole lot of other meeting business [07:33] thanks all, and I'll let you get back to beta :-) [07:33] adjourned [07:33] thanks! [07:33] thanks :) [07:33] thanks [07:33] hey, while i've got everyone: can anyone reproduce https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/131679 ? [07:33] thanks [07:34] thanks [07:34] thanks [07:34] wooa lag [07:35] Amaranth: i haven't seen this, but i don't have a screensaver [07:35] e.g. just black when locked [07:35] no one seems to be able to reproduce it but new dupes keep showing up [07:35] * calc doesn't use compiz [07:35] Amaranth: we need to suspend first? [07:35] night! [07:35] Amaranth: are they all with nvidia driver? [07:36] i don't think so [07:36] Amaranth: oh [07:36] because i have nvidia and i can't reproduce [07:36] well i haven't seen it with just metacity [07:36] but i am on -intel with metacity [07:36] and Hobbsee doesn't have nvidia and could reproduce at one time [07:37] Amaranth: i've not been able to reproduce it recently [07:37] ok [07:38] frustrating bug because the stacktrace is worthless and it keeps getting milestoned for the next release and then bumped [07:40] Amaranth: how do you know that the dupes are actually dupes if its a bogus stack? [07:40] asac: that's the thing, i don't [07:41] all stacktraces that show compiz dying in eventLoop are basically worthless, it probably went bad some time before this [07:42] ok. i would assume that the bug is just a sink for unrelated bogus compiz crashers :) [07:42] so what you need is for someone to try to run their compositing window manager under valgrind... :) [07:42] * slangasek gets the dry heaves [07:42] slangasek: sure, just go make a sandwich or something while it starts [07:42] Amaranth: maybe you could post instructions on how to run compiz to get more valuable information? [07:43] Amaranth: I think my laptop would melt down, and that would make me sad [07:43] of course if out of luck those that reported the bug don't see it again [07:43] no one seems to get this more than once [07:43] until i try to close the bug, then they come out of the woodwork [07:44] but when i ask them to help me fix it they all go away again [07:44] Amaranth: mark it won't fix then? ;-) [07:44] i'm tempted [07:45] oh? for instance, I don't see any follow-ups to bug #198467 (the latest dupe) [07:45] its the closest to can't fix we have [07:45] which was filed after the last comments in the main bug, so [07:45] how the heck did apport manage to autodupe that one? [07:46] apport is maagic [07:46] Amaranth: is there usually enough system information gathered during bug submission? otherwise you could add an apport hook to compiz package [07:46] anyway, we can probably take this over to #u-devel, right? [07:46] yeah [07:55] * calc gone to bed === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:51] @schedule [09:51] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00: MOTU === doko_ is now known as doko [10:54] @schedule [10:54] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00: MOTU [10:54] @schedule sydney [10:54] Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 20 Mar 08:00: Server Team | 27 Mar 08:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 15:00: MOTU === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === ogra_cmpc_ is now known as ogra_cmpc === \sh_away is now known as \sh === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch === \sh is now known as \sh_away === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [14:30] @schedule sydney [14:30] Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 20 Mar 08:00: Server Team | 27 Mar 08:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 15:00: MOTU === \sh_away is now known as \sh [14:45] @schedule montreal [14:45] Schedule for America/Montreal: 19 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 00:00: MOTU === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === ogasawara__ is now known as ogasawara === ogra_cmpc is now known as ogra === \sh is now known as \sh_away === leonel_ is now known as leonel [18:28] @now utc [18:28] Current time in Etc/UTC: March 19 2008, 18:28:18 - Next meeting: Server Team in 2 hours 31 minutes === \sh_away is now known as \sh === felipe` is now known as felipe_ [20:02] @now utc [20:02] Current time in Etc/UTC: March 19 2008, 20:02:57 - Next meeting: Server Team in 57 minutes [20:03] hi kirkland! [20:03] hi nijaba! [20:03] hey jdstrand, long time no see ;) [20:03] jdstrand: howdy, i think the meeting is in +1 hour, right? [20:03] kirkland, ubotu just said that :) [20:03] ubotu just said 57min [20:03] Sorry, I don't know anything about just said 57min - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [20:03] so say ubotu [20:04] Seveas: yep, I agree ;-) [20:04] kirkland: ah, maybe [20:04] I thought someone said 2 hours 15 minutes about 2 hours and 15 minutes ago [20:04] * jdstrand goes back under his rock [20:04] @now utc [20:04] Current time in Etc/UTC: March 19 2008, 20:04:44 - Next meeting: Server Team in 55 minutes === mc44_ is now known as mc44 === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 26 Mar 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00 UTC: MOTU [20:57] evening [20:57] hello [20:57] aloha! [20:58] helloww ! [20:58] \m/ [20:58] meow [20:58] * jdstrand waves [20:59] alright - let's get this started [20:59] #startmeeting [21:00] Meeting started at 22:00. The chair is mathiaz. [21:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [21:00] * kirkland o/ [21:00] welcome to this pre-easter server team meeting [21:00] pre beta as well [21:01] o/ [21:01] nijaba: right - I was putting my stomach before ubuntu... [21:01] * soren is only sort of here. [21:01] Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [21:01] [TOPIC] iSCSI Support [21:01] New Topic: iSCSI Support [21:02] soren: while you're around what's the move on iscsi ? [21:02] That's me. [21:02] Right, I've gotten the "Ok, go!" from our mighty release manager to make the appropriate changes to make root-on-iscsi work. [21:03] soren: when would that work land in hardy ? [21:03] soren: I guess it won't make it for beta [21:03] I've got the easy 65% done, but I'm missing the confusing last 65%. [21:03] No, certainly post-beta. [21:03] Unfortunately. [21:03] soren: the next widespread testing would be RC [21:03] We should try to get widespread testing before that [21:03] Sure. [21:04] I'm off from after this meeting until Tuesday, so if anyone wants to pick it up, now's the time to sout. [21:04] soren: what is needed to test root-on-iscsi ? [21:04] shout, even. [21:04] mathiaz: Fancy, expensive hardware :( [21:04] soren: pick it up == implement it ? [21:05] what about iscsi target, would it work? [21:05] mathiaz: The specific use case I'm trying to cater for is blade servers that have iscsi support in the bios. [21:05] guess not then [21:05] It hurts my head just thinking about it. [21:05] These things install grub on the iscsi share... and it works. [21:05] It's very confusing. [21:06] soren: do you have access to such hardware ? [21:06] mathiaz: Nope. [21:06] soren: or do you know of such products ? [21:06] mathiaz: ...and that's not helping either :) [21:06] mathiaz: I'm aware of their existence, and I have a friendly guy that tells me that it doesn't work. [21:06] and I totally see why, and he's given me some helpful hints about what to do. [21:06] soren: so you have a tester at least [21:07] Yes. [21:07] soren: great. [21:07] faulkes- might have some dell blade at hand, not sure if he can use them for testing though [21:07] I just need to accept that fact that the initial booting procedure works and the try to make ends meet. [21:07] of course if anyone has access to such hardware, I'm sure that soren would appreicate some help in that [21:08] and I don't even know if dell blades supports this [21:08] ok - let's move on [21:09] [TOPIC] LSB compliant init script [21:09] New Topic: LSB compliant init script [21:09] kirkland: how do you survive to this task ? [21:09] mathiaz: :-) The task will not be completed in Hardy [21:10] mathiaz: discussion ensued on ubuntu-devel@ [21:10] mathiaz: and it was determined that these changes are not acceptable in a Beta Freeze timeframe [21:10] (from Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who), "A feature's a [21:10] feature no matter how small". [21:10] mathiaz: I still believe in the importance of the work, but I understand and agree with the freeze process [21:11] mathiaz: at this point, I suggest that we work with Keybuk on a plan for Intrepid [21:11] imho ideally we should have a spec for this in ibex and we can pile in more features that we want [21:11] kirkland: Well - to be correct - the changes are suitable for a FeatureFreeze Exception [21:11] kirkland: yes - let's differ that to UDS [21:11] mathiaz: s/differ/defer/, yes [21:12] mathiaz: I'll update the Roadmap accordingly [21:12] kirkland: thanks. [21:12] * kirkland action ^ [21:12] [ACTION] kirkland to update the Roadmap wrt to the init script work [21:12] ACTION received: kirkland to update the Roadmap wrt to the init script work [21:13] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Guide [21:13] New Topic: Ubuntu Server Guide [21:13] sommer: so tomorrow is string freeze [21:13] sommer: what's the state of the guide now ? [21:13] should be good to go! [21:13] * nijaba hugs sommer [21:13] made a bug fix, grammar fix, update commit about 45 min ago [21:13] yay!! [21:13] sommer: which section have been updated and reviewed wrt last week ? [21:14] mathiaz: pretty much all of them [21:15] sommer: so once we're in documentationstring freeze, what are you plans ? [21:15] I guess the only one I may have a question about is the bzr section [21:15] * nijaba thinks sommer should take some vacations [21:15] heh, probably help test dapper to hardy upgrades and what not [21:16] sommer: I meant on the documentation front ? [21:16] sommer: are we pretty much done for hardy ? [21:16] mathiaz: oh right, I think we're pretty well there [21:16] I guess if there are ideas for ibex we can start gathering them [21:17] I have a few, but the more the merrier [21:17] sommer: could you add them to the IdeaPool page ? [21:17] sure, will do [21:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/IdeaPool [21:17] I think someone should go sort the good ideas from the brainstorm stuff [21:18] for general interest, this page is used to track ideas for the next cycle [21:18] * zul didnt know about that [21:19] [ACTION] sommer to add ideas to the IdeaPool page about documentation improvements during the next release. [21:19] ACTION received: sommer to add ideas to the IdeaPool page about documentation improvements during the next release. [21:20] [TOPIC] Server survey [21:20] New Topic: Server survey [21:20] nijaba: what's new on this front ? [21:21] We are currently fixing the last bugs [21:21] and waiting for the security review of limesurvey by keescook [21:22] nijaba: ok. [21:23] [TOPIC] Status reporting [21:23] New Topic: Status reporting [21:23] I've been trying to rework the satus reporting [21:23] there were some questions re: isci booting and testing? [21:24] and how we try to know what's happening in the Ubuntu Server team on the development side of things [21:24] faulkes-: Yeah. WOuld you be able to help with testing? [21:24] * nijaba notes that he asked faulkes- to join about iscsi testing [21:24] duh [21:24] yes, I can help, there is one caveat to that, which is time based [21:24] -> /msg [21:25] I inherited this environment, the previous admin who shall remain nameless has never turned on the iscsi box ;) [21:25] so I have to go to the colo and conf it up [21:25] which won't be until next week, tuesday most likely [21:25] so I have the idea of publishing a weekly status report from the server team [21:25] otherwise, I'd be happy to help test it [21:25] faulkes-: Cool. [21:25] to list what we've done and what needs to be tested and or when we request feedback [21:26] faulkes-: I'm off until Tuesday. We can talk then? [21:26] sure [21:26] any ideas on the form this could take ? [21:26] email or blog or something else ? [21:26] would this be useful ? [21:27] blog is nice [21:27] but should it be weekly? [21:27] nijaba: well - there is already the montlyreport [21:28] nijaba: however a lot of things are happening in the server team [21:28] nijaba: and our section in the monthlyreport is already big. [21:28] I mean, we could have a server team blog where we log the new stuff [21:28] nijaba: may a every other week then [21:28] does not have to be a *weekly* thinkg [21:29] nijaba: I thought about starting a blog for the serverteam [21:29] nijaba: mainly focused on development [21:29] yes [21:29] nijaba: a sort of - what's cooking in ubuntu-server [21:30] would it be called "You've been Served" ? [21:30] the content would be based on the ReportingPage [21:30] sommer: I don't know how it could be named [21:31] sommer: I like the idea of cooking - what's coming from the kitchen of the server team [21:31] heh, my last comment was mostly a joke :-) [21:31] from south park??? [21:32] I think it's a great idea though [21:33] Ok - so I'll think about this a bit more. [21:33] Just wanted to throw the idea [21:33] [TOPIC] Hardy Beta [21:33] New Topic: Hardy Beta [21:34] As you may know, we're planning to release beta tomorrow thursday [21:34] yippe skippe! [21:34] wasnt' the beta released on sunday? [21:35] As usual - testing is welcome ! [21:35] nxvl: nope - we always release on Thursday [21:36] I have added some test cases for JeOS https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/JeOSInstall [21:36] oh you are right [21:36] nijaba: is anyone responsible for testing JeOS ? [21:36] I've been on it... [21:36] nijaba: they're not listed on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [21:37] people should defintely register on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [21:37] they will be right after beta [21:37] was too late for beta, sorry [21:37] nijaba: ok [21:37] [TOPIC] Any Other Business [21:37] New Topic: Any Other Business [21:38] anyone wants to add something ? [21:38] bug #162167 ? [21:38] Launchpad bug 162167 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "mySQL password asks only once" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162167 [21:38] was cited in LinuxJournal [21:38] 16:30 < mathiaz> email or blog or something else ? [21:38] nice paper about the security features of the server [21:38] sorry for that [21:39] i hit the button i shouldn't hit [21:39] nxvl: dell media direct? [21:39] * faulkes- whistles innocently [21:40] faulkes-: nop, left click -> middle click :P [21:40] nijaba: what about that bug? [21:41] well, I think we should make sure it is fixed soon [21:41]