/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/03/19/#ubuntu-ops.txt

picard_pwns_kirkI am here to appeal on behalf of emma00:02
picard_pwns_kirkI am here on my own will00:03
LjL... and of course, the fact that you joined at a 46 seconds distance is coincidence :)00:03
picard_pwns_kirkI told her to come00:04
picard_pwns_kirknot vice versa00:04
picard_pwns_kirkif she told me, I would have been here after her00:04
picard_pwns_kirklogically speaking00:04
picard_pwns_kirknow, down to business00:04
LjLsounds logical.00:04
picard_pwns_kirkemma was kickbanned in #ubuntu for making a comment which offended an IRC op00:05
picard_pwns_kirkhowever, her comments about a "slimy Israeli company" can be interpreted in many ways00:05
picard_pwns_kirkthe adjectives "slimy" and "israeli" modify the noun "company"00:06
LjLthat part is a late development i believe.00:06
picard_pwns_kirkthen tell me, why can she not speak in #ubuntu-offtopic?00:07
LjLbecause she's pushed and pushed for a ban, over a prolonged period of time00:07
picard_pwns_kirkHow so?00:07
picard_pwns_kirkHer comments in the channel are not offensive in any way00:09
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk: the first ban i see (on -offtopic, then there's something for #ubuntu) was on 13 february, by me, for keeping talking about politics after warned to stop. then it was a crescendo.00:09
tonyyarussopicard_pwns_kirk: are you even familiar with the history involved?00:10
picard_pwns_kirkWas there a kick before that?00:10
picard_pwns_kirktonyyarusso: I have read the logs00:10
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk: yes, there was.00:10
tonyyarussoall of them eh?00:10
tonyyarussoAnd where did you find these logs?00:11
picard_pwns_kirkthe #ubuntu-offtopic channel is not logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com00:11
* Seeker` has seen emma in here for a lot of time recently, it would take many many hours to read all of the logs from just this channel00:11
tonyyarussoWHich is precisely why I ask.00:11
picard_pwns_kirkI have read logs from this channel00:12
picard_pwns_kirkwhich allows me to roughly piece together what happened00:12
Seeker`picard_pwns_kirk: It doesn't give you all of the facts then00:12
tonyyarusso"roughly" != knowing what's going on00:12
tonyyarussoPlease try again after you are informed enough to do so in a useful manner.00:12
emmaLjL - No there was not. You banned me quite some time ago when I was very new to #ubuntu-offtopic ,  there were incidental issues but I was kickbanned for my comments about IRSeek. In fact. EVERY incidental issue probably relates in some ways to my comments about IRSeek, and in the -offtopic channel only. I always respect #ubuntu. And rarely ever speak there.00:13
picard_pwns_kirktonyyarusso: is there any better source of information than the channel logs themselves?00:14
LjLemma, that is not accurate.00:14
LjLthe ban i am referring to is00:14
LjL#ubuntu-offtopic  emma   LjL   Feb 13 2008 00:55:3500:14
LjLnow, the following is a kick:00:14
LjL#ubuntu-offtopic  emma   LjL   Feb 13 2008 00:32:4700:14
LjLwith reason:00:14
picard_pwns_kirkSince #ubuntu-offtopic is not logged, where else can i find accurate information, than in the channel where the operators of that channel reside?00:15
LjLit's not a joke, we REALLY don't want politics talk here 00:15
Seeker`picard_pwns_kirk: I think that the point is that you have'nt read *all* of the relevant logs00:15
tonyyarussopicard_pwns_kirk: Yes.  Actually being involved.00:15
emmaI was kickbanned and these demands were placed on me directly because I have been vocal about the IRSeek policy (but not in #ubuntu, my comments have been in -offtopic) and I was kickbanned because I expressed my displeasure with IRSeek this last time.00:15
picard_pwns_kirktonyyarusso: who was in the channel at that time?00:16
LjLemma, or any story you can make up. my channel logs tell me differently.00:16
naliothall of the #ubuntu* channels fall under the CoC00:16
emmaLjL - yes that was the first time I was ever banned. That was actually a legitimate mistake on my part. At that time I was very much a noob to -offtopic and I think many people have been banned by you for making the mistake I made. It was all clarified.00:16
tonyyarussoemma: You have seen the list of conditions.  We await your answer.  Until you have one, you are wasting yet more of our time.  I know that I for one don't have any more to waste, so ping me when you have that answer.00:16
tonyyarussopicard_pwns_kirk: you are talking about scores of "times".00:16
LjLemma, that's irrelevant.00:16
LjL[01:10:24] <picard_pwns_kirk> Was there a kick before that?00:16
LjL[01:10:40] <LjL> picard_pwns_kirk: yes, there was.00:16
* tonyyarusso goes back to paying attention to useful conversations00:16
LjL[01:13:15] <emma> LjL - No there was not00:16
LjLthis is a lie.00:16
LjLi don't like lies.00:16
emmaLjL -- That was not a lie. I thought he was saying was there lots of kicks between the time you banned me (my first ever ban) and this last kickban. That's what I thought he was talking about.00:17
LjLthat's not what i see him asking.00:17
picard_pwns_kirkeverything is open to interpretation00:18
LjLerr, sure.00:18
emmaThen I mistook what he was saying. Yes you did kick me before you banned me, back in February, I was a complete -offtopic noob and rather new on IRC even for that matter. I have a much better sense of how things work now.00:18
LjLso now i can't answer your questions because they're open to interpretation, i suppose.00:18
picard_pwns_kirkLjL: let's be professional00:18
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk, i don't think i'm the one not being.00:19
emmaAnd until a few days ago when ops began asking me about my feelings about IRSeek, and I actually gave my feelings, there wasn't an issue.00:19
emmaFrom what I gather possibly dozens and dozens of people have been kicked and banned by you for talking about politics in -offtopic.00:19
emmaI was very much a noob and I really haven't talked about politics exhorbitantly (not more than everyone else) since you did that.00:20
emmaI feel that it is very accurate and fair to say that if I had not been kickbanned for saying that I have no problems with #ubuntu controlling users since it is a support channel, but I only don't like the slimy Israeli company IRSeek, then I would *not* be kickbanned and I would not be in here right now.00:21
emmaSo *that* instance IS relevent and the JUSTICE of that kickban is extremely so.00:21
Davieyemma: was it yesterday or the day before you insult the British in -offtopic?00:22
Davieyinsulted*00:22
emmaAnd that only begins to touch upon the reasonableness of imposing a draconian list of conditions that asks me to implicitly indict myself of things I've never done, and give up my fair use of unofficial Freenode channels.00:22
naliothemma: we're not asking you to do anything that we don't expect anyone else to do00:23
emmaDaviey - That was the day before, I think, and he was insulting me also. This was all on the same day. You have to understand that this whole conversation about surveillance and such, was not my conversation only. There were half a dozen people all talking to me. Also, I want to clarify with you, I NEVER attacked him personally. 00:23
emmaI said that I thought it was a shame that the British allowed their country to become so monitored by police. 00:24
LjLhonestly, i don't think i'm willing to go over all this again, right now. i'm out00:24
picard_pwns_kirkthat, in my opinion is not an insult to the british00:27
picard_pwns_kirkexplain to me how it is00:28
picard_pwns_kirk...anyone?00:28
nickrudemma: I don't know if you saw this, it was after you were no longer in the channel. The very end. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/03/18/%23ubuntu-ops.html00:29
picard_pwns_kirkhow is her channel harmful to the community?00:32
picard_pwns_kirkIt does not seem to convey any negative ideas00:33
picard_pwns_kirkher use of the "ubuntu" trademark is in agreement with the terms of the trademark policy00:37
picard_pwns_kirkdon't leave me hanging, people00:37
LjLyou mean aside from having the "ubuntu" name in it while being definitely an unofficial channel, and really unrelated to ubuntu, where the CoC is not only not enforced but almost looks like actively frowned upon, a topic that talks "power-tripping ops", and i'd dare say actions against ubuntu channels being planned in it?00:38
picard_pwns_kirkidle in the channel for a day00:38
tonyyarussopicard_pwns_kirk: We do.00:38
tonyyarussoWe're well aware of the filth it contains.00:38
picard_pwns_kirkand try to find any organized malicious activity planned00:38
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk: one word: sudobash00:39
picard_pwns_kirkhe is a user, mentioned in the logs00:39
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk: which logs?00:39
picard_pwns_kirkhttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/03/15/%23ubuntu-ops.html00:40
picard_pwns_kirkthose00:40
LjLwhat about his userness in ##ubuntu-uncensored?00:40
picard_pwns_kirkthat is not logged00:40
LjLno, it is not.00:40
picard_pwns_kirkall right00:41
picard_pwns_kirk#ubuntu-offtopic is not logged either00:41
Seeker`isn't the ubuntu "namespaced" owned by ubunut, and therefore comes under control of the ops?00:41
picard_pwns_kirkthe name "ubuntu" is a trademark of Canonical00:41
LjLSeeker`: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming00:42
picard_pwns_kirkunless you guys work for canonical, you have no special say over this00:42
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk, are you joking?00:42
picard_pwns_kirkI am not00:42
tonyyarussopicard_pwns_kirk: I feel the need to point out yet again that terms for a resolution were discussed at great length yesterday.  Until we have a yes or no answer from emma, this is just useless babble.00:42
Seeker`picard_pwns_kirk: I believe they were appointed by people from canonical00:42
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk: http://freenode.net/primary_groups.shtml00:43
picard_pwns_kirkcanonical,  ubuntu          Canonical, Ltd., Douglas, Isle of Man, UK. 00:44
Seeker`picard_pwns_kirk: what?00:44
picard_pwns_kirkfrom the freenode site for primary groups00:45
Seeker`picard_pwns_kirk: what about it?00:45
picard_pwns_kirkcanonical has the right to "ubuntu"00:45
emmatonyyarusso - You are aware of the filth it contains? You have been an active member of my channel. You have actually antagonized other members in my channel, called them fools and such. To say that my channel contains filth is very strange from an active member. 00:45
emmaBut indeed, no one stops you from doing that there. I expect you to control yourself. 00:46
Seeker`picard_pwns_kirk: I fail to see the point you are trying to make00:46
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk: you're certainly aware that we *are*, both for freenode and for the Ubuntu Community Council, the representatives of these channels namespace?00:46
* tonyyarusso again goes back to doing more productive things than repeating himself00:46
picard_pwns_kirkdoes it say that you have the power to deny people the right to use "ubuntu" in an unofficial channel name?00:47
picard_pwns_kirka right bestowed upon them by canonical?00:47
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk: no. it doesn't say it can't kind of piss us off, either.00:47
picard_pwns_kirkjust because it pisses the ops off doesn't mean that it is not allowed00:48
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk, and who said it's not allowed?00:48
picard_pwns_kirkhttp://hobbsee.com/ubotu/emma_conditions00:48
picard_pwns_kirkyou did00:48
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk, not that the channel originally had only one # (i.e. pretended to be a primary channel).00:48
nickrudpicard_pwns_kirk: fromhttp://freenode.net/policy.shtml#primarychannels:  Primary channel name, formatted with a single leading hash mark (#), are reserved for participating groups and organizations based on their legal or informal claim to the associated name or name prefix.00:48
Seeker`"By registering such a channel, you indicate that you assert no legal or informal right to the channel name used" -< From the freenode guidelines - that states that you have no particular right to use the channel name00:49
picard_pwns_kirkso why are we closing it down, if it is not a primary channel?00:49
LjLpicard_pwns_kirk, we *can* se conditions for *our* channels, and those certainly include (for emma, and for everyone) NOT pointing unsolicitedly to random channels (which i tend to simply call "spamming", although that seems to be argued).00:49
picard_pwns_kirkshe could have kicked you and banned you for harrasing users of her channel00:50
LjLshe could have kicked and banned users planning malicious behaviors against the ubuntu channels, too.00:50
LjLshe can do basically whatever the heck she wants on her channel.00:50
LjL(not that there aren't some limits somewhere, but just saying)00:51
picard_pwns_kirkI understand00:51
emmaI have *never* seen anyone planning malicious behavior against #ubuntu and if I did see that I would be *very* against that00:51
picard_pwns_kirkstating an opinion != planning malicious behavior00:51
emmaYou said you care about the truth, and I respect you for that. Because I do too. So please let's be true that I have NEVER condoned, or even seen, anyone threatening to hurt #ubuntu. 00:52
emmaI LIKE #ubuntu.00:52
emmaThe very comment that I was kickbanned for was a statement of this fact.00:52
emmaI was SAYING to the OPS who were engaging me and ASKING ME the questions, that I have no issue with #ubuntu being moderated since it is a support channel and must not become chaotic.00:53
emmaThat is why I said in my next post.. 00:53
emmaThe ONLY thing I have against #ubuntu is that it allows that IRSeek corporation to sit in there. 00:53
emmaI care about #ubuntu so much that in my OWN entry message, I warn people that my channel is not the best place to get support. And I suggest that they seek that in #ubuntu!00:54
picard_pwns_kirkat least listen to us, people00:56
emmaI would even say, if this is your main concern, I would be willing to explicitly put a message in the channel that malicious behavior directed against other Freenode channels is prohibited.00:57
* LjL chuckles00:57
emmaAlthough that is nothing that any other channel I've seen does. And I don't want to be held responsible or to blame for the actions of fools I don't control, anymore than you do.00:57
picard_pwns_kirkI do not believe we are here for your amusement00:57
picard_pwns_kirkwell...00:59
picard_pwns_kirkI digress00:59
picard_pwns_kirkI am not wanted, and will leave00:59
emmapicard - Thank you for your comments, I think that you should not harm yourself for me, and my issues. 00:59
emmaI think you should probably..01:00
picard_pwns_kirkpeace out01:00
* Hobbsee wonders what's happened now01:23
tonyyarussonothing01:24
tonyyarussoin other news, my java plugin isn't working01:24
Hobbseeemma: the rules for ops, and catalysers are different - see the section in freenode policy on catalysing.01:30
Hobbseeoh you're fsking kidding me...01:37
Hobbsee@btlogin01:37
Hobbseeshe made another comment about slimy israeli company, and then are surprised it got her banned, *again*?01:38
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Hobbseehm, picard is wrong, apparently01:40
Seeker`is there a policy on bots in #ubuntu* channels?01:41
LjLSeeker`: yes - don't bring any unless authorized by channel contacts01:41
Seeker`LjL: cool01:42
Seeker`LjL: Thanks01:42
Hobbseeemma: so, can you explain about plumpypiggy?01:53
Hobbseehe looked rather upset that he'd been poked about the channel repeatedly.01:54
emmaI do not know who plumpypiggy is. Can you help me out?01:56
Hobbseehttp://rafb.net/p/jB3ko450.html01:56
Hobbseethat was in your channel ~11 hours ago.01:57
Hobbseefirst part, in particular01:57
Hobbseeand that's a private log, so you can't reproduce it.01:59
Hobbseeemma: 02:01
Hobbsee?02:01
Hobbseedamn enter key.02:01
emmaI don't know what reproducing it, means, I was at work 11 hours ago I think. I wasn't there. I don't know that person and I've never seen them before. 02:10
Hobbseewas in -uncensored, the channel you are the owner of.  i thought you were supposed to have control of it.  *shrugs*02:12
emmaHobbsee - A fair point. Maybe the channel is actually large enough that I should put some one else on the access list. I'm an IRC rookie, and I always think of this little channel as insignificant. 02:13
emmaBut you make a valid point.02:13
Hobbseeemma: of course, as to *why* you seem to draw so many users to ask in -offtopic, and -uncensored if you're a spammer is an interesting question.  maybe you have the wrong definition of spam.02:15
Hobbseeand cries to "leave them alone"02:15
Hobbseemost channels, big or little, don't do that.02:15
Hobbseeisn't that *interesting*?02:15
tonyyarusso@btlogin02:47
emma!ops03:15
ubotuHelp! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!03:15
ubotuemma called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()03:15
nixternalwasabi?03:15
jribyes?03:16
emmaI want to apologize to the ops for the times that I have been difficult. Some of my behavior has not been productive or even characteristic of my own ideal. I understand that ops are also human beings and I am sorry for bring any amount of distress to any of you.03:17
kumarphillyaite tritium 04:30
tritiumYou're going to have to use English, please.04:30
kumarphillyALL RIGHT04:30
kumarphillyaite04:30
kumarphilly= all right04:31
tritiumNo, it doesn't.04:31
tritiumI'm not going to discuss your nonsense language with you.04:31
tritiumGood night.04:31
kumarphillyHmmm...04:31
kumarphillyFine I will talk like this. Happy?04:31
kumarphillytritium, I am not leaving04:32
kumarphillyuntil we are done discussing04:32
tritiumFine, stick around until I'm not busy.04:33
kumarphillyerr04:33
kumarphillyI will be back in the morning04:34
kumarphillywill you be here?04:34
tritiumNo, I have a job.04:34
kumarphillyin about 10 hours or so04:34
kumarphillyah, I am a student on spring break04:34
kumarphillyWhat time will you return.04:34
tritiumSometime tomorrow evening.04:34
tritiumWhat would you like to discuss?04:34
kumarphillythe code of conduct04:35
kumarphillywould like to clarify that we both broke it tonite04:35
tritiumNo, you were kicked and then banned for specific reasons.04:36
tritium@btlogin04:36
kumarphillyOk, but i still would like to discuss it04:36
tritiumGo ahead.04:36
kumarphillytomorrow evening....04:37
kumarphillyI am very tired04:37
tritiumSo am I.04:37
kumarphillyand P/O04:37
tritiumLook, it's quite simple.04:37
tritiumI'll paste your offending comment that earned you your ban:04:37
tritium22:26 < kumarphilly> but there is a @$$ named tritium ....and i didnt curse:-p04:38
kumarphillyyes right there04:38
kumarphillythose are symbols04:38
kumarphillythey could mean nothing04:38
tritiumClearly translated to a foul name04:38
kumarphillyno it didnt04:38
tritiumNo, nobody is that stupid.04:38
naliothtritium: what channel was this in?04:38
kumarphilly#ubuntu04:38
tritiumnalioth: #ubuntu04:38
naliothkumarphilly: it was off topic, never the less04:39
tritiumkumarphilly: do not take me for a fool.04:39
kumarphillyi am not04:40
kumarphillybut look04:40
tritiumYou expect me to translate aite = All Right, but not translate @$$ to ass?  Come on.  Be reasonable.04:40
kumarphillya lot of people use @$$ or #!#@# to mean anything04:40
tritiumkumarphilly: that argument has no substance04:41
tritiumreally, good night04:41
kumarphillyaite to all right translates because A) its words and B) its shorthand accepted my many people...04:41
kumarphillynah04:41
tritiumA) is false.  aite is not a word04:41
naliothkumarphilly: the ban will stay in place at least 24h, is there anything else we can help you with?04:42
kumarphillytritium, so you NEVER use shorthand?04:42
tritiumkumarphilly: no04:42
kumarphillyhmm04:42
tritiumkumarphilly: I can type.04:42
naliothjimmygoon: may we be of service?04:42
jimmygoonnalioth, nope, my apologies. I will leave.04:42
kumarphilly24th eh... 04:42
kumarphillythats a monday04:43
naliothkumarphilly: 24 HOURS ( at least )04:43
kumarphillyim suppose to be installing apache and stuff tomarow....on new server....04:43
kumarphillyoh...04:43
kumarphillymax ?04:43
tritiumNothing is preventing you from installing.04:43
kumarphillyMaximum  I should say....04:43
kumarphillyYes but I needed some help with apache and stuff04:44
naliothkumarphilly: most bans last 24h or less04:44
naliothkumarphilly: the time depends lots of things04:44
naliothis there anything else we can help you with?04:44
kumarphillyNah04:44
kumarphilly**no...04:44
kumarphillynothing else..04:44
naliothkumarphilly: /topic  :)04:45
kumarphillyreserve the right to remove idles04:45
kumarphillyi cannot stick around if i have any more questions?04:45
kumarphillywat was that?04:48
naliothkumarphilly: that was you leaving04:49
tritiumI lifted the ban.  He was very reasonable in /query.04:56
nalioth:)04:58
tritiumI guess some people just have bad days.05:00
soldatsreza_20 is kinda being very offtopic and not very family freindly with his chatter, keep an eye out maybe in the future?05:41
Jucato!ping06:22
Jucatooops06:22
Hobbseebad Jucato :P06:25
* Hobbsee wonders where ubotu went06:25
Jucatoyeah I wonder as well. made ubotwo go to #k... but didn't know stdin had it muted :)06:25
Hobbseeubotwo: join #ubuntu06:26
Hobbseeubotwo: join #ubuntu-offtopic06:26
Amaranthubotwo: join #ubuntu-desktop06:26
Amaranthaww06:26
Amaranthdoesn't matter, no one active there for a couple more hours06:27
Jucatoubotwo: join #ubuntu-offtopic06:27
Jucatoubotwo: join #ubuntu-desktop06:27
Jucatobah06:27
Hobbseeit joined #ubuntu, but ...06:28
Jucatomaybe it's banned from the other channels? O.o06:30
Hobbseethere we are06:31
Hobbseewhere else?06:31
Hobbsee...george?06:32
Hobbseewhat's seveas' bot doing on there?06:32
HobbseeAmaranth: ah, that's why it won't join then06:32
Hobbseeshould really grab a cloak for that bot.  oh well.06:33
Jucatomutually exclusive?06:33
Hobbseei think so06:33
* Hobbsee just hijacked priceybot06:34
Hobbseefloodbots are up. good.06:36
Myrttiis there anything relevant in the backlog from the past nine hours that I should be aware of?06:46
tonyyarussoMyrtti: not really...06:47
Jucatounless you count Hobbsee conversing with emma "relevant" :D06:47
Hobbseeyeah, and then nalioth's suddenly gone and given hre access agian.06:48
Jucatoeeek scary06:48
tonyyarussoMyrtti: You'll be better off if you go rent a movie instead.06:50
=== elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu
Myrttitonyyarusso: ok, so it's breakfast time and a quick browse thru the Intterhweb for me06:51
tonyyarussoyupyup06:52
jussio1Myrtti: you are irc addicted, checking email over breakfast... oh crap, what am I doing? :P07:06
Myrttigotcha07:07
Myrttiit's the joys of working from home07:07
jussio1hehe07:07
* jussio1 is about to go to work...07:07
Jucatojussio1: I don't check mails and feeds and IRC before breakfast... I usually do that after getting up from bed (eyes half closed)07:08
MyrttiJucato: me too!07:10
Jucato:D07:10
jussi01Jucato: :D yeah, I do too. I was just having a go :P07:25
Hobbsee!staff07:48
Hobbsee!staff07:49
jpatrick...there's no response..07:50
Hobbseeyeah, i know.  brilliant, isnt it?07:50
Myrtti!ping07:51
ubotwoping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore07:51
Hobbsee!staff07:51
ubotwoHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)07:51
Hobbseewill one of you please issue a /cs level #ubuntu-motu reset and make me the alternate channel contact please?07:52
Hobbseei'm sure elkbuntu will be happy to ack the request, being a GC.07:52
no0tickyro_ issued !ops on #ubuntu but ubotwo didn't relay here07:52
PriceChildubotu's died again?07:54
jussi01:)07:55
jussi01:(07:55
jussi01asjhsdddahkg07:55
jussi01gah, sorry everybody, ssh connection seemed to have frozen... oh wait, was my cat...07:56
HobbseePriceChild: yeah, yours is acting as ubotu07:57
elkbuntuHobbsee, ack08:03
Hobbseeelkbuntu: hm?08:03
elkbuntu<Hobbsee> i'm sure elkbuntu will be happy to ack the request, being a GC.08:04
Hobbseeelkbuntu: ah, right.  i thought you meant "ack" as in "argh!  something bad!08:05
jussi01hmmm, where is ubotu? it is fine in #u?08:12
Hobbseeit's a replacement ubotu08:12
Hobbseeit does not have all functions08:13
jussi01ok, can we at least get it identified so it can pm?08:14
Hobbseei don't know how to08:15
Hobbseei don't have the p/ws08:16
Hobbseeif you have control over ljl's bot, you cna use that instead08:16
jussi01Hobbsee: aye08:16
PingFloydHobbsee: can you test me please08:16
Jucato[16:12] [Whois] ubotwo is an identified user.08:17
jussi01Jucato: its not ubotwo its ubotu08:17
Jucatooh08:17
jescisHello08:17
jussi01hi jescis 08:17
Hobbseethere we are08:18
jussi01everyone I need to run, could someone explain to jescis why we dont use profanity in #ubuntu :)08:18
Hobbseenow, if you manage to get the real ubotu back, you can use that.08:18
jescisI mean on the radio, tv, and recordings I have a problem with profanity. But not everyone is a 15 yo sitting in his/her parents house08:21
Myrttijescis: we would like all Ubuntu related channels to be family-friendly, since we've got quite young users08:21
Myrttiit's also a sign of respect towards each other not to use profanity08:21
Myrttihardly any issue in Ubuntuland is worth swearing08:22
Myrttiatleast it shouldn't be08:22
jesciswell some time something goes wrong and people use some words that are profane. But are not considered profane by most.08:24
Myrttiyes?08:25
Myrttiyour reasoning doesn't overrule the facts that there are set guidelines in Ubuntuland IRC which includes "no profanity"08:27
jpatrickjescis: have you read the !guidelines?08:27
jescisI don't even read the eula.08:27
jpatrick!guidelines | jescis, well, I suggest you read these08:28
ubotwojescis, well, I suggest you read these: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines08:28
jussi01Gah, im back. hate it when $reallife interupts me. 08:28
jussi01jescis: did that make it clear to you? is there anything else we can help with?08:28
* jussi01 cries at the lag08:29
jescisI don't mind a clean environment. But this is like being on #disney08:30
jesciswith a "G" MPAA rating08:31
jpatrick!coc | jescis 08:31
ubotwojescis: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/08:31
jescisBut the world is PG-13 or even R at alot of places.08:32
Myrttijescis: you know, there is a preamble in the EULA's you haven't read08:32
Jucatothis is not one of those placed08:32
Jucatoplaces*08:32
Jucatothe bottom line is that we have channel rules and rules of conduct. please abide by them08:33
PriceChildjescis: the guidelines say be respectful, and use your common sense. Tbh that's about it... go read them.08:33
jescisI obay the rules any where. even if I never read them. 08:33
Myrttijescis: "by opening the package and using the product, you've agreed to the following End User Licence Agreement"08:33
jescisBut I'm only human and will slip once in a while.08:34
Myrttisure, so now you've been told why it's not ok to use profanity in #ubuntu IRC channel(s)?08:34
Myrttidid you understand the rules and the guidelines, and did you read the CoC?08:34
jescisyeah, clean "G" rated for the whole family.08:35
Myrttithank you.08:35
Myrttifrom world war 2 veterans to toddlers08:35
jescisI'm not saying I try/tried to disobay the rules. I'm just not going to want to be kicked for something so trivial imo. That I do obay the rules.08:38
jescisbtw I have a channel of my own. and there I've said many times I promote piracy(especially from microsoft, MPAA and RIAA)08:41
Jucatodon't advertise that in the Ubuntu channels :)08:41
jescislol08:42
Jucato!piracy08:42
ubotwopiracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o08:42
jescisI really don't care. they're like windoze bloated mess of junk08:42
elkbuntujescis, we dont accept any attacks on people or companies in our channels08:43
Jucatoit's less about your personal opinion and more about legality and Ubuntu's/Canonical integrity08:43
jescisWell I said I support it. Not that I link to it on irc or those other things.08:46
jescisBut, I'm a rare instance that I really want what I have legally.08:47
Jucatoyes. and I just advised you not to advertise that fact in channels. so we're good08:47
jescisk08:47
Seveasubotu is coming back08:48
Seveaserr... somebody changed ubotu's password?08:49
* Tm_T hides08:49
jussi01not me08:49
* Jucato hides for no reason08:49
Jucatoum.. btw jescis is there anything else you need?08:49
jescisnot really08:50
* jussi01 points at /topic :)08:50
jescisI'm mostly in a given channel for help, to help others, and Because I'm by my self alone.08:51
Jucatothis channel is for operator questions. idling/lurking isn't allowed :)08:52
jescisah.. well I'll be off then. thanks to all.08:52
Jucato!test08:54
ubotwoFailed.08:54
ubotuFailed.08:56
jussi01If there is a #ubuntu op about, ubot6 should be muted now :)09:03
ubotum1r called the ops in #ubuntu ()09:19
jussi01Tm_T: sidstudios trolling09:20
jussi01Hmmm, did anyone else get this: [03/19/08 05:37:51] <algul> 100 Kontöreeeee Ýstediðin Herþeyi Veriyim sanaaaa Çaaaammmdaaa Bekliyorummm Ekkekeleeeeeee Zuhal_akar1909:41
jpatrickjussi01: yep09:43
jussi01jpatrick: hrm, any idea what it says? 09:44
jpatrickjussi01: no.. :(09:44
jussi01jpatrick: and sigh t the consistant flodder in -devel09:44
jpatrickPriceChild: wrong -devel09:48
Myrttijussi01: is it already unmuted?09:52
AmaranthHobbsee: trying to solve things without a ban, don't want him to end up in here arguing for an hour11:44
HobbseeAmaranth: yeah, true11:45
Amaranthisn't ##milt a known bad channel?11:55
PiciI've never heard of it12:01
jpatrickAmaranth: registered by jescis, so....12:01
Amaranthmaybe i'm thinking of malt :P12:02
Hobbseeprobably12:04
jdongpure gold.12:05
jdongOn one of the forums I frequent, there's a member who reports trying to add a PCI card to a computer without unplugging it, and asks if it's bad that as he plugged in the card, the computer turned itself on and blue sparks flew.12:06
jdongI don't know if he meant it rhetorically. :)12:06
Amaranthjdong: i can't help but think of http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/12/1212:06
jdongLOL12:06
jdongI think it actually takes some blue sparks and shocks to drive the point home that an "off" computer still very much has live voltage running through it12:07
LjLi'm going away for easter, will connect "sparingly" (11 hours instead of 12 a day), those of you who can access my bots know who you are (and sometimes even your passwords), otherwise remove, blah blah14:06
Myrttiblah blah14:07
Piciblah! /me waves14:07
LjLbad blah14:08
Pici...15:47
jpatrickwhat happened?15:48
Piciubotu: forget admin15:49
ubotuI'll forget that, Pici15:49
jribhow did that get in there?15:49
PiciI dont know, but Its definitly not for #ubuntu, perhaps -offtopic only, but if someone wants it back, they can add it.15:49
jpatrick!-admin15:50
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about admin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi15:50
ubotwoadmin has no aliases - added by Amaranth on 2007-11-20 00:14:0715:50
Piciubotwo: admin15:51
Piciubotwo: !admin15:51
Pici!admin15:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about admin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi15:51
ubotwoMeddle not in the affairs of sysadmins for they are mysterious and quick to anger.15:51
PriceChildubotwo: find admin16:18
PriceChildubotwo: search admin16:18
jdong<ubotwo> PriceChild: Is it find admin that makes you ubotwo?16:24
* Myrtti curses loudly16:27
MyrttiI just did the unmentionable newb error on -ot16:27
Myrttiand I'm not going to say it aloud16:27
Myrttiand I hope you don't either16:27
PriceChildWe see nothing.16:29
* Myrtti scutters all her favourite websites16:30
MyrttiI feel like cursing a bit more16:33
MyrttiI still feel like cursing a wweeee bit more16:44
PiciI've done it before.16:44
Piciin #ubuntu16:44
mneptokohdear16:46
* mneptok lathers Myrtti in sympathy and raw fury16:46
Amaranthi don't remember admin16:56
PriceChildI see the 83.230 forward is gone17:01
PriceChildy18:58
PriceChildgrr18:58
ompaulPriceChild, ?19:01
PriceChildwrong window :)19:01
PriceChildactually no19:01
PriceChildi meant y....19:02
PriceChildWHY19:02
PriceChildWHY do you have to keep coming back ompaul?! :P19:02
nickrudompaul is an addict19:02
tonyyarussonickrud has returned from his trip to Russia.19:04
nickrudarG!19:04
ompaulPriceChild, cos I have softwares19:04
* PriceChild huggles ompaul 19:05
nickrudblasted xchat setting19:05
ompaulyou having fun in norways?19:05
=== nickrud is now known as nikrud
nikrudbetter19:05
tonyyarussoaww19:05
nikrudgiving LjL a chance for the appearance of better stats :)19:05
nikrudor worse, depending on perspective19:06
PriceChildompaul: yeah its great fun!19:15
ubotuIn #ubuntu-np, bibekpaudel said: !no, lmao is  Please don't use "LOL", "LMAO" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.19:41
ompaulhmm19:43
ompauldono19:43
ompaulPici, ^^19:43
=== mc44_ is now known as mc44
ikoniaevening20:39
ubotuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)20:40
ubotuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)20:40
ubotuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)20:40
jpatrickikonia: evening20:41
ikoniahope all is well jpatrick 20:41
jpatrickikonia: hmm, #ubuntu seems fine20:41
ikoniagood good20:41
jpatrickikonia: how's it going at your end?20:41
ikoniamuch better now, feeling much more alive after a few days sleep 20:42
jpatrickgreat :)20:44
ubotuIn #ubuntu, metalforever said: !ask  Sound is still not working.  I have tried alsaconf, i checked my speakers, i modprobed, i made sure all sound processes were terminated when running alsaconf, and i made sure my stuff isnt muted.20:44
jpatrickubotu: tell metalforever about yourself20:44
ikoniathats aneat trick20:49
elkbuntudelightful... * Received 'DCC SCHAT "LOL_HY_FROM_#POLITICS_YOU_FAGGOTS_LOLOLOLOL_HY_FROM_#POLITICS" 0 0 0 ' from odiinala20:49
ikoniaoh dear20:50
jpatrickelkbuntu: k:lined by what I read in #freenode20:50
elkbuntujpatrick, ah, cool20:50
jpatrickikonia: you learn something everyday :)20:50
ikoniacertainly do 20:50
elkbuntu--> work20:50
ubotuIn ubotu, captaingeek said: and everyone is absorbed in other things20:56
jpatrickubotu: tell captaingeek about yourself20:57
ubotuIn ubotu, ajmorris said: define pacman is <reply> OM NOM NOM, I EAT YOU! <reply>21:08
jpatrickhmm, troll night21:09
ubotuIn ubotu, ajmorris said: !pacman is OM NOM NOM, I EAT YOU!21:12
jpatrickubotu: ignore ajmorris21:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ignore ajmorris - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi21:12
jpatrickworth atry..21:12
ubotuIn #ubuntuforums-beginners, ajmorris said: !pacman is OM NOM NOM, I EAT YOU!21:13
jpatrick!ops-#ubuntuforums-beginners | please see above21:14
ubotwojpatrick: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)21:14
* jpatrick gives me21:15
jpatricks/me/up21:15
tomawI joined21:16
tomawit seemed to scare them a little21:16
Garyhehe, did when I joined too21:16
tomawoh, and now I have Gary as backup :D21:16
jpatricktomaw: they are -beginners21:19
tomawI joined #ubuntuforums-beginners21:19
jpatrickjust the "scare them a little" bit ;)21:20
tomawoh, I only joined and said hi21:20
tomawthey scared each other just by looking at my cloak21:20
ubotuIn #ubuntu+1, lucasvo said: ubotu: cake is delicious21:21
* jpatrick takes care of21:21
ubotujpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu (johnnn)21:29
jpatrickJack_Sparrow: thanks21:29
AmaranthJack_Sparrow: klined21:29
Amaranthno point in wasting an entry in the ban list21:29
jpatrickAmaranth: thanks to you too!21:29
Jack_Sparrow Sorry, I was on the phone, 21:30
Jack_SparrowWell done guys21:30
tonyyarussobtw, I did a fair bit of clearing of the ban list yesterday, so let's try to keep it reasonably clean in the run-up to Hardy release.  (And don't hurt me too much if I removed something that shouldn't have been.)21:42
* jpatrick has cleared all his bans21:42
ompaul /cs kb tonyyarusso leave the list alone21:44
ompaul;-)21:44
tonyyarussohehe21:46
tonyyarussoI tried to target dynamic IPs that were older, and that sort of thing.21:47
PiciI cleaned up my bans as well. Had to re-issue one today though, some sort of url-announcer bot.21:47
ompaultonyyarusso, I think over this weekend anything from ballard that was automagically done on the 29th feb could be released21:47
ompauland we can deal with the crapola again 21:47
ompaulthat should keep it to a minimum coming up to hardy21:48
ompaulor we could do something a bit more crazy like wipe it this weekend if people are going to be around and go not mind what is up or down until someone gets in the way of the Myrtti's emp cannon 21:49
Myrttimitähä21:49
ompaulbut leaving bans in the last 10 days21:49
ompauldon't know just asking21:49
tonyyarussoompaul: clearing ballard seems reasonable.21:50
tonyyarussonot so much the whole thing21:50
Myrtti"mitähä" == "whattheeee"21:50
* TheSheep learns a new word21:50
TheSheepbenkyo benkyo benkyo :)21:50
ompaulTAK21:51
Myrttiempcannon needed?21:51
Myrttiwhere?21:51
ompaulmy bit of polish I have another polish word21:51
ompaulNIE21:51
* Myrtti takes her emp cannon with wild eyes21:51
MyrttiWHERE CAN I BLAST SOME TROLLS ASSES21:51
ompaulMyrtti, you never told me the cannon had wild eyes :)21:51
Myrtti0_____________021:51
Myrttiompaul: huh?21:52
* Myrtti accidentally points the emp towards ompaul21:52
Myrttihuh?21:52
* ompaul dives for cover21:52
Myrttimore cola!21:52
Myrttinowait.21:52
Myrtti*sigh*21:53
Myrtticontinue21:53
TheSheepENOCOLA, ABEND21:53
PiciWho's ballard?21:56
ompaulABEND ABEND ABEND21:57
Piciuh21:57
ompaulIPL IPL21:57
ompaulWoottttttttttt Woottttttttttt21:57
TheSheepchoo choo21:57
Picizoom zoom21:57
ompaulPici, a server21:58
TheSheepnoisy little puffer train o/~21:58
ompaulTheSheep, IPL IPL ?21:58
ompaulTheSheep, ACF2 (now I am dating myself)21:58
ompaulRACF21:58
TheSheephah21:58
TheSheepno more21:58
* Myrtti starts to nibble ompauls knuckles21:58
Myrttiom nom nom paul21:58
ompaulhahaha21:59
* ompaul rofl21:59
Picicola eh?21:59
ompaulPici, enocola abend - IPL 22:00
TheSheepompaul: this stuff is seriously dangerous to mental health :)22:01
ompaulTheSheep, SAS tools will help you schedule the next 2000 jobs before you need a scratch tape22:02
TheSheepompaul: they only taught us JCL22:03
ompaulTheSheep, pffffft22:03
TheSheepompaul: yes, I'm too young to really have any real experience22:04
TheSheepmaye it's better22:04
TheSheepmaybe22:04
ompaulTheSheep, sing with me "there's data set off it the tape library, there's data set off it the tape library, and an IPL scheduled for tomorrow (to the tune of theres klingons on the starboard bow)22:05
ompaul"22:05
PiciThe only stuff I've done is clear print queues, move some print jobs around and run a journal or three. 22:05
* ompaul sees the word journal in that context we been talking and freezes22:06
* ompaul implodes22:06
TheSheepyou think some computer systems are user unfriendly? this one is actively hostile ;)22:06
jpatrickevening seanw 22:09
* Pici installs rumba/client access on ompaul 22:11
* ompaul dances a jig22:11
seanwlo.22:13
Myrttiom nom nom?22:19
Myrttignite folks22:28
Picigoodnight!22:29
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, Black_Magic said: !svideo is Plugged Your S-Video into your LCD hoping to Have your Screen on your TV? But when you plugged it in all you got was a black screen? Follow this link http://www.joshgerdes.com/blog/2007/10/29/s-video-tv-out-with-ubuntu-710-on-dell-xps-m140-laptop/22:39
* PriceChild waves22:40
* PriceChild just watched a circus act.22:40
jpatrickevening Pici 22:40
PiciLions and tigers and bears?22:40
jpatrickPriceChild*22:40
Picieveing jpatrick 22:41
jpatrickdamn tab22:41
Black_MagicAnyone looked at my Factoid :P22:41
jpatrickhi Black_Magic, how may we help you?22:41
PriceChildnope22:41
jpatrickah, yes22:41
PriceChildbut fire eating, sword play, beds of nails and watermoelons22:41
PiciI was just thinking, do we need to link to a blog post for two short commands?22:41
jpatrickLjL: arg, the floodbot in -es is kicking users on bad words...22:42
Black_MagicI can just re do the thing22:42
Black_Magicsecond ill re do it22:42
Black_Magicdont do anything :P22:42
* Pici looks for a wiki page on xrandr22:42
jpatrickBlack_Magic: we can see it in our log22:42
Black_MagicI know that22:43
Black_MagicWell i kinda liked the way i did it idk how to word it better without the blog..22:43
Black_Magiccant you do it now and then change it later like if the blog comes unavalible just post the commands? nvm ill try and re-word22:44
Black_Magichow about this..22:48
Black_Magic!svideo is Plugged Your S-Video into your LCD hoping to Have your Screen on your TV? But when you plugged it in all you got was a black screen? Make 2 Launchers One is To Enable TV & Monitor And another to Disable TV-Monitor For the first command put "xrandr --output LVDS --mode <Insert Computer Resolution Here> --output TV --mode <Insert Tv Res Here>" Save and name it something Then in the other Launcher for the command put "xrandr --22:48
Black_Magicauto" to reset the LCD Monitor 22:48
ubotwoBlack_Magic: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:48
jdongwiki... page...22:48
jpatrickBlack_Magic: too long22:48
Black_Magic:/22:49
jdongjpatrick: that's what... oh forget it22:49
PiciMake a wiki page :)22:49
PiciThey're a better form-factor for things like this.22:49
Black_Magic!svideo is Plugged Your S-Video into your LCD hoping to Have your Screen on your TV? But when you plugged it in all you got was a black screen? To Enable Dual Monitor - TV Type the command "xrandr --output LVDS --mode <Computer Resolution --output TV --mode <Wanted TV Resolution>" To Reset the LCD And the Labtop/Desktop Monitor type xrandr --auto22:51
ubotwoBlack_Magic: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:51
Black_Magic:/..22:51
Black_Magici made it smaller aww..22:51
Black_MagicWhats the line limit?22:52
PriceChild!test22:52
ubotwoFailed.22:52
ubotuFailed.22:52
ompaulBlack_Magic, howabout wiki.ubuntu.com svideo 22:52
Black_Magici wanted  it to be added to factoids so you could just do "!sdvideo" to get the information22:53
Black_Magicwoops22:53
Black_Magic"svideo"22:53
ompaulBlack_Magic, we know that, what we are saying is would you like to make a wiki page so that we know it will not be as transient as a blog page22:54
Black_Magicompaul, im lost at making a wiki also you so i tried to make it smaller :P22:55
ompaulBlack_Magic, doing it on wiki.ubuntu.com is really easy22:55
PiciThen we'll link to the wiki page with !svideo22:55
ompaulBlack_Magic, try it (warning: it is addictive)22:56
Black_Magicompaul: :P22:57
Black_Magicok22:58
Black_Magicso i can keep my first try at it just change link when im finished editing?22:58
ompaulna just edit that page until you are happy then give us the URL22:59
ompaulyou can view it in preview22:59
Black_Magicaw23:01
Black_Magici liked my first draft makes it sound exciting :P23:02
ompaulwe can see that 23:02
ompaulthe thing you don't want is for someone to search and find two pages by you23:02
ompaulthey will delete it23:02
ompaulyou can find the changes by viewing the history23:02
* ompaul is out of here23:02
Black_Magicwiki.ubuntu.com isnt wanting to accept user prefrences..23:05
Hobbseejussi01: poke23:30
robbyhay can i get some helps with a vbox problem that pertains to me losing my kernel23:52
PriceChildrobby: /topic23:52
robbywait a minit wanst i already here?23:52
robbywtf23:52
robbythay said go to #ubuntu-ops and i end up here23:53
Hobbsee...?23:55

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