Riddellnixternal: I think beta release notes should include the highlights for the whole cycle00:02
nixternaloh wow00:02
Riddellnixternal: which would be just a copy and paste of the best of the alpha notes00:02
jjesseanyone else been throwing away a lot of cds lately that don't install?00:05
nixternalthe new cds install00:07
nosredna_ekimseele: I have a printerconfig GUI dialog screen here that you might want to look at for GUI design (which I am admittedly horrible at)00:10
nosredna_ekimseele: is a screenshot best, or a .ui ?00:10
dasKreechjjesse: you can install from the hard drive00:11
jjessedasKreech: really?  how does that work?00:12
ubotuTo mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.00:12
dasKreechwait that wasn't it :)00:12
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate00:12
nixternalRiddell: KDE 4, KDE 3, Desktop Effects, Amarok, Wubi, Encryption, NTFS Support -- anything else big you would like included?00:12
dasKreechjjesse: bottom URL00:12
nosredna_ekimseele: seele at kde.org ?00:12
nosredna_ekimnixternal: printerconfig?00:13
nixternalhey, where is my @kde.org :p00:13
awen_ScottK: no fixes for p-m anyway... the in-hardware check doesn't make sense due to some shortcommings in HAL reading the brightness state (eg. it can only read the last value set by software)00:13
jjessehrmm bot still references dapper on that second one00:13
dasKreechnixternal: You have a vista.gov ;-P00:13
nosredna_ekimseele: ok, I have to go, i'll send you the SS right now though00:13
dasKreechjjesse: me?00:14
jjessedasKreech: under !install it references DapperReleaseNotes/.Ubiquity/KnownIssues00:14
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate00:15
dasKreechjjesse: that's not the last URL00:15
jjessei know that but still needs to be updated :)00:15
awen_ScottK: if you have some other bugs , or other missing/planned fixes, I should have a look at, please tell00:15
jjessebrb rebooting to install hardy00:15
nosredna_ekimlater guys...00:17
nixternal!no, install is Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate00:19
ubotuI'll remember that nixternal00:19
ubotuinstall is Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate00:19
nixternal!no install is Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate00:19
dasKreechnixternal: Huh what's the difference ?00:20
jeroen-I try to find a release date for hardy, but can't find a roadmap :-(00:22
jeroen-oh wait, sorry :-)00:22
jeroen-found it00:23
dasKreechSearch for schedule00:23
jeroen-April 24th :-(00:23
jeroen-there goes my schedule00:23
ScottKawen_: Will do.  I probably won't look at it much before Saturday.  I'm mostly thrilled fixing apport didn't result in an avalanch of new crashes being reported.00:25
awen_ScottK: the quiet weeks where apport crashes wasn't coming in gave you the time to fix all the bugs ;)00:26
Riddellnixternal: kaffeine codec install maybe, bulletproof X00:26
ScottKHopefully the people that went to the trouble to report crashes manually gave us reasonable coverage.00:26
ScottKnixternal: Don't forget the displayconfig note I gave you.00:26
dasKreechnixternal: Nice pointing out the still open bugs00:27
nixternalwell, it seems with Beta we are just going over the major things in Hardy00:27
nixternalRiddell: do the DVD codecs work with Kaffeine yet?00:30
Riddellnixternal: yes, but xine itself is broken for dvds00:34
RiddelldasKreech: we would do backports same as we currently do for gutsy00:34
dasKreechwonderful :)00:34
Riddell(infact we might do more than that, we'll discuss at UDS)00:36
dasKreechbackport to dapper >_<00:38
seeleRiddell: what part of printing is nosredna_ekim working on?00:39
seeleI'm not sure what to make of this screenshot he sent me00:39
Riddellseele: I think he's been doing bits on the new printer configutation tool00:40
dasKreechjjesse: hardied?00:48
jjessedasKreech: yes kde4 hardied00:49
jjessemiss things like an irc client00:49
dasKreechirssi :)00:50
jjesseso i had to install konverstation00:50
jjessenever got used to irsii00:50
seeledasKreech: KDE is a *desktop* environment ;P00:50
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dasKreechseele, jjesse: kopete00:52
jjessedasKreech: didn't know kopete did it00:53
seeleRiddell: is the printer configuration tool planned to be completed really soon?  because it's in the hardy beta and pretty much not operational00:53
jjessethat's cool00:53
jjesseneed to change the book on that i'm sure :(00:53
Riddellseele: no, it'll have to be disabled for this release, I just haven't had enough time to work on it unfortunately00:54
seeleRiddell: will we use the kde3 tool then?  or is it broken?00:54
Riddellseele: kde 3 tool works just not in all situations, and we have the new applet which does the auto-configure stuff and that solves the main problems00:55
Riddellso yes we'll use the kde 3 tool and the new applet00:56
seelewhat is the new applet?  is there a package i can download?00:56
awen_dasKreech: kopete misses irc support on the current kde4 live-cd00:57
Riddellseele: system-config-printer-kde-applet in the system-config-printer-kde package00:57
Riddellseele: same package as the new config tool00:57
dasKreechawen_: >_<00:57
jjessedasKreech: am i stupid and not seeing irc in kopete?00:57
Riddellseele: you should already have it running, if you plug in a new printer it should pop up, also if you print something00:57
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dasKreechjjesse: apparently it's not there00:58
jjessedangi i thought i saw it once?00:58
awen_jjesse: irc in kopete is missing in kde4 atm... there is already a bug-report against the knetwork-kde4 source00:59
seeleRiddell: yeah, i saw the kprint thing (or whatever it is called) but i only have a network printer and the wizard in Applications:System doesn't work00:59
awen_at least I found the bug report yesterday00:59
Riddellseele: right, network printing is still the problem.  if ipp printer sharing is on it should just work, or you can struggle with the kde 3 setup tool, or you can just system-config-printer-gnome01:00
jjesseinteresting the default home page in firefox when i installed is the firefox welcome page on my gnome hardy its wleocme to ubuntu01:00
seeleRiddell: ah, figures the part i need is broken :)01:01
nixternalhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu    <-- Riddell01:04
Riddellnixternal: looks great01:05
nixternalgroovy, I am going to take the screenshots now01:05
Riddellnixternal: I have screenshots of the upgrade process01:05
nixternaleither attach them to the wiki or upload them so I can grab and edit..that would rock01:06
Riddellnixternal: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/upgrade/01:07
Riddellnixternal: can be put at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades01:07
nixternalok, I will work on that in a bit as well01:07
Riddellwill need some cropping of course01:07
Riddellnixternal: "Kubuntu with KDE 3" -> "Kubuntu"  it's the definitive version01:08
Riddell"Kubuntu with KDE 4" -> Kubuntu KDE 4 Remix01:08
apacheloggerRiddell: if we settle the kde4 version of gtk-qt-engine on the kde3 version, should we keep the changelog and document all changes?01:08
Riddellapachelogger: they should be separate packages for now surely01:08
Riddellnixternal: KDE 4 won't be in shipit, exact method to be decided but just say "CDs available for groups who need it..."01:09
apacheloggerthat sentence was wrong01:09
apacheloggerRiddell: if we use the kde3 version as base for te kde4 packaging01:09
* apachelogger should go to bed :S01:09
Riddellapachelogger: scrap the changelog in that case, no point duplicating it01:09
Riddellnixternal: Info: can point to the relevant dot.kde.org article, or KDE release pages01:10
* Riddell snoozes01:11
nixternalScottK: can you link me to that page about your changes again? I am going to write up a little something about them in the release notes01:20
nixternalScottK: never mind, I grep'd my logs for it01:26
ScottKnixternal: I've still got it if you want it.  I just need to fire up my laptop.01:31
ScottK2nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59981/01:33
yuriybug 105899 has patches upstream from a few months ago01:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 105899 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager Should Support "Key Type" Selection under WPA Enterprise" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10589901:57
nixternalhrmm, I take that drive encryption on install isn't available on a Desktop CD?02:03
nixternalalso, jjesse was right, you can't install with the latest Desktop CD...has an issue with partition sizes02:03
apacheloggerRiddell: kdepim-kde4 is still in the archives, this should be removed ASAP as it has broken dependencies and is old and ...02:10
nixternalwas requested a month or so back and never heard much about it02:10
ScottK2Maybe there's an archive admin that cares enough about Kubuntu to do it ....02:13
apacheloggerblueyed: I was wrong there, is some issue with the po files I can't find a proper solution for, I will have a look at it tomorrow ... you can find the current package at http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/gtk-qt-engine-kde4/02:18
ScottK2nixternal: You got what you need on release notes, right?02:19
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ScottK2How the heck to I navigate in kde3 with just a keyboard (machine in question is mouseless)?03:20
nixternalctrl+esc == kmenu03:23
nixternalalt+space == katapult ;p03:23
nixternalalt+f2 == krunner :p03:23
nixternalor you can actually go into system settings, and setup the arrow keys for mouse control03:24
nixternaloh my, Riddell gave me 12 images for the updater..that's insane03:24
awen_ScottK2: just like allways :) ... katapult is your friend; and konqueror is one of the greatest browsers to use keyboard only03:25
ScottK2ctrl + esc got me ksysguard.03:26
ScottK2alt + space worked.03:27
awen_ScottK2: kmenu = alt+f1 ?03:29
ScottK2I got what I needed with katapult.  Thanks.03:40
* ScottK2 will try ctrl + esc again. I guess if that continues to bring up ksysguard it's a bug.03:41
awen_ScottK: ctrl+esc has always brougt ksysguar for me (since at least feisty)03:43
ScottKOK.  Then I don't know what nixternal was smoking.03:43
awen_ScottK: some windows weed ;)03:43
awen_or maybe he uses the windows scheme in shortcuts (could very well have ctrl+esc as default)03:44
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nixternalRiddell: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades  -- complete - added a 2nd page (HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu) with a full graphical version of the installation process.04:46
yuriykdm-kde3 is still default for kubuntu-kde4, right?05:15
Arbynixternal: just reading the HardyUpgrades page, a few comments if you're interested06:07
Arbythe first section says you can only upgrade to Hardy from 7.1006:07
Arbythen next section describes how to upgrade from Dapper06:08
Arbycould be confusing06:08
Arbymore importantly the instructions for LTS to LTS upgrades are confusing06:10
Arbyif I go adept-manager > manage repositories06:10
ArbyI see the sources.list06:11
Arbythe dapper-proposed repository doesn't appear in that list for me to enable it06:11
Arbyand there is nothing to tell me what it's address should be06:12
ArbyI tried running kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" but that doesn't work06:12
Arbymaybe it's just me and I've forgotten how to do stuff in dapper06:12
Arbybut thought I should mention it06:13
Arbyfeel free to ping to discuss further06:13
ArbyI'll be at work but I'll try to help06:13
nixternalArby: I am only concerned with the Kubuntu instructions...the rest is for Ubuntu..honestly we should have our own page anyways06:15
Arbyso will the LTS instructions for dapper be different06:17
Arbyor is dapper to hardy not supported for kubuntu06:17
nixternalKubuntu isn't LTS, so anything dealing with LTS doesn't concern us at this point06:17
ArbyI can see people with kubuntu dapper boxes being unhappy about that06:18
nixternalfor Kubuntu, you can only go from Gutsy -> Hardy06:18
Arbybut that discussion has been had06:18
nixternalwell, they can be angry at Canonical..it wasn't our choice06:19
ArbyI quite agree06:19
ArbyI'm not arguing with you06:19
nixternaloh I know06:19
stdinto anyone with upload rights: patch for bug #201825 up06:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 201825 in kdenetwork-kde4 "wrong dependencies in kdenetwork-dev-kde4" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20182506:19
nixternalwatching some funny youtube videos :p06:19
* nixternal wishes he had upload rights06:20
nixternalstdin: test building it now and will then upload06:22
nixternalthanks for the patch!06:22
stdinnixternal: wasn't a big fix, one word really ;)06:23
stdinthough I fixed another little bug too06:23
nixternalkde -> kde4, kdenetwork -> kdenetwork-kde4, ooh and Binary -> source06:24
nixternalso 3 :p06:24
stdinwell, I've been itching to do something recently :)06:24
Arbynixternal: so the recommended upgrade path for Dapper is via Edgy/Feisty/Gutsy?06:30
Arbystarting from EdgyUpgrades?06:31
nixternalthat I couldn't tell ya06:44
nixternalcould kdenetwork-kde4 take any longer to build?06:51
Arbyoh well, work time now07:06
stdinnixternal: I hope is built by now07:22
nixternalya, uploading it now07:28
nixternaleverything seemed to install fine07:29
Nightrosemorning :)07:29
nixternalmornin' Nightrose07:29
stdingood, I'll send it to the PPA :)07:29
nixternalSuccessfully uploaded packages.07:32
nixternaland on that note, I can go to sleep now :)07:32
Nightrose;-) nini nixternal07:32
jussi01hrm, did anyone else have the link in the email from lp about the new kde4 list not work?07:52
rbrunhuber-auhobbsee ping08:04
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Nightrosejussi01: jep - it is a not really sane tld ;-) - you can sign up on the LP page08:10
jussi01Nightrose: ahh, thnaks08:10
NightroseHobbsee: did you tell the launchpad guys about the broken link yet?08:15
Nightrose(in the mail about the mailinglist)08:16
HobbseeNightrose: yes08:16
Nightroseok cool08:16
rbrunhuber-auHi Hobbsee08:17
* Hobbsee is only semi-here08:18
rbrunhuber-auFinally I'm in Sydney.08:18
rbrunhuber-auHobbsee, only one minute please.08:18
_StefanS_Riddell: we should enable shadowed text for the windeco. I forgot to mention it earlier.08:20
Tonio_hi there09:09
jpatrickhey Tonio_09:26
_StefanS_Tonio_: we should enable shadowed text for the windeco. I forgot to mention it earlier, can we do it now?09:34
Tonio__StefanS_: sure09:37
Tonio__StefanS_: I would like to change the buttons09:37
Tonio__StefanS_: make the "hover" more visible09:37
Tonio__StefanS_: that requires to change the images right ?09:37
_StefanS_Tonio_: yep thats right10:00
_StefanS_Tonio_: Although I'm not sure if you need the original inkscape file to make it look any good. I can send them to you10:00
_StefanS_Tonio_: I was going to look at it, but you know time flies10:01
_StefanS_Tonio_: I sent you the original svg now, its the one postfixed with 210:13
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rbrunhuber-auHobbsee, have a minute now?11:50
ScottKIt looks like the kdebase in the Kubuntu bzr is pretty ancient.  I'm preparing an upload (to apply cjwatson's man page fix).  I think it would make sense to remove the vcs headers from debian/control at the same time?11:55
ScottKGood morning jjesse.11:56
jjessehello ScottK11:56
RiddellScottK: I'd keep them, we'll use bzr when there the tools are more integrated11:57
ScottKRiddell: OK.  Will do.11:58
Jucatoseele: comment #17 is by far the best comment on your blog :)12:09
ScottK2Riddell: Opinions on the patches in Bug #19767 (looks like Debian made this change almost two years ago) and Bug #17611412:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 19767 in kdebase "Kde help search fails too quietly  if htdig is not installed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1976712:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 176114 in kdebase "[Konqueror 3.5.8] Ad Block Plus doesn't work after list upgrade" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17611412:14
RiddellScottK2: htdig is in universe, we can't add it12:20
RiddellScottK2: second one looks fine if it works12:21
ScottKRiddell: htdig patch is already in kdebase, just points to the wrong place.  I know we can't add it ad depends, but we can at least fix the path.12:22
RiddellScottK: ah, I see the second patch, go for it then12:23
smarter_oh I remember #17611412:40
smarter_Unfortunately my patch didn't work and I've no idea why12:41
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seeleJucato: lol12:43
jjesseevening Jucato12:44
Jucatogood morning jjesse!12:44
* Jucato stretches his legs12:44
Jucato(what are we yay'ing about?)12:45
jussi01Jucato: he didnt use my name...12:45
Jucatoyeah 2nd time :)12:45
Jucatohe's getting better at it12:45
smarterwhat's even more strange is that "                 if (line.lower().compare("[adblock]") == 0)" right before should be enough to avoid the bug12:45
* jpatrick watches yao_ziyuan in #k12:47
smarterthis guy is so funny :P12:47
* jussi01 sighs at him12:48
smarterstill complaining about asians characters support?12:49
jpatricksystem beeps appartently12:50
ScottKsmarter: So that means I shouldn't worry about applying that patch?12:50
smarterScottK: you should worry about finding a proper patch :P12:50
ScottKsmarter: I'm assembling available ones right now.  I guess I won't count that one.12:50
smarterI may try to make a patch that work this weekend if I get enough time and motivation ;)12:51
Riddellnixternal: one more upgrade image if you could, for upgrading from an alternate CD rather than the internet http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/cd1.png12:51
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ScottKsmarter: If get one that works, please let me know.12:52
ScottKI may even be done test building kdebase by this weekend ...12:53
Riddellseele: did you have anything to add to KubuntuDefaultSettings ?13:00
smartermmh, is there a fix for the "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" when you try to mount an ntfs partition in Kubuntu other than upgrading to Hardy?13:02
etretyaksmarter: only if you apply patches to kdebase from hardy13:05
seeleRiddell: click instead of hover on kickoff, but i didnt ask because i know they wont go for it13:05
seelethey're also talking about reordering the tabs depending on the dock location of kickoff, which i think is stupid but whatever13:08
* Jucato would love it if the tabs were movable/arrangeable...13:10
seelesure, under user control13:10
seelebut not reordering them by default13:10
* Jucato nods13:10
seelehmm.. orange mango juice is good in theory, but so thick it's like youre drinking puree or something13:12
Jucatohahahah!  :)13:12
Jucatothat comes in powder form here... so you can control how diluted you want it to bee13:13
seelepeach apple juice is good too.  the peach makes it a little thicker, but not as thick as the mango13:16
Jucatohm.. never had peach apple...13:18
* Jucato wonders if he can find one somewhere13:18
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txwikingerwhy doesn't vnc work in hardy anymore?13:58
neversfelde|mobiRiddell: I am ready for an upgrade test. Which is the best way to do that?14:17
Riddellneversfelde|mobi: upgrading from 7.10?14:18
neversfelde|mobiRiddell: yes14:18
Riddellneversfelde|mobi: see if you can follow these https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu14:19
* Riddell decides on random oxygen artwork for beta http://kubuntu.org/index2.php14:19
seelehey.. those are my glasses!14:20
neversfelde|mobiRiddell: ok, will do14:21
Jucatoseele: hahah! :)14:22
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Hobbseeseele: you should take more care of them, then14:22
Jucatoor make sure they stay out of Riddell's reach :)14:25
onlinelliHi everyone, I'm trying to do the upgrade from gutsy to hardy - but I'm stuck at installing the linux-headers... can anyone please give me a hint on troubleshooting?14:28
nosrednaekimnixternal: is the compiz configurator not on the kde4 CD?14:28
nosrednaekimonlinelli: #ubuntu+114:28
onlinelliok, thanks for pointing out14:29
nosrednaekimnixternal: also, in the feedback section under support, that should be "#ubuntu+1" I think...14:30
apacheloggeromg, I so don't feel like filing a FFe for gtk-qt-engine-kde4 -.-14:36
Hobbseeapachelogger: main or universe?14:37
HobbseeScottK: can you co-approve it over irc please?14:37
ScottK2apachelogger: Go for it.  Please mark it down in a bug at least with the changelog.  Please make an upload that works.14:38
apacheloggerScottK2: k, thanks :)14:39
\shRiddell: bug #55973 ... do you think it's ok to mark it "won't fix"? ,-) it's from 2006 :(14:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 55973 in arts "Patch for crash with message "can't create MCOP directory"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5597314:41
ScottK2\sh: I'm compiling a new kdebase right now that has a patch sent in 2006.  I wouldn't assume just based on age.14:42
Riddell\sh: yes14:43
\shScottK2: I wonder why mpg321 is mentioned now14:43
ScottK2Dunno. I didn't look at the bug, I just don't think age based assumptions area good plan.14:43
nosrednaekimseele: did you have time to look at that interface? I'd really like to know what you think of it before I spend any more time working on it :)14:43
\shScottK2: I was more thinking about "artsd is evil and we should forget about it"14:44
ScottK2But keep in mind I work on systems in my day job where we never ever mark a bug closed unless we can trace to a fix, so I may be biased.14:44
ScottK2Fair enough.  I think I also transposed won'tfix and invalid when I read it the first time.14:44
seelenosrednaekim: i did.. although it was hard to understand just one screen14:44
seelenosrednaekim: are you modeling it after an existing wizard or app?14:45
nosrednaekimseele: a bit, system-config-printer (the gtk one)14:45
\shScottK2: I think it's ok for this special bug, which is no.1 on my list, to know a good and easy workaround...so let us set it to "Won't fix" with a comment to the workaround14:46
nosrednaekimit has a pop up windows for queues, I have an embedded listview14:46
seeleok.. i'll have to look at that again, i forget what all it does14:47
nosrednaekimseele: when the "PSC1210" in the list view is selected, the "URI" automatically gets updated14:48
ScottK2\sh: Fair enough14:48
\shScottK2: ok..I'll deal with it when I'm home...14:49
Tm_Tapachelogger: slap me when you're awaken, son15:17
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jpatrickI think vorian needs help15:31
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vorianthat was silly15:31
jpatricknow you've lost your cloak15:32
vorianstupid keepnick15:33
* jpatrick hugs vorian 15:33
vorianhowdy howdy15:33
nixternalcan you believe Chicago is under yet another winter weather advisory?15:34
nixternalwth, where is the spring already15:34
vorianyes, this winter sucks15:34
jpatricknixternal: send some over, it's getting to hot here15:34
nixternalwe are like 4' over our norm this year15:34
* nixternal chucks a snowball at jpatrick 15:34
vorianwhere is that darn global warming they keep promising?15:35
jjesse_i blame global warming15:35
* Jucato blames nixternal (as always)15:35
nixternalactually, tonight we are supposed to get wet and heavy snow..so that might be an iceball when I am done with it :p15:35
nixternalvorian: hahahaha, my old man said the same thing15:35
nixternalour yard is a sloppy mess from the previous melts plus the tremendous amount of rain we had15:36
jjesse_yay we are only supposed to get 1 to 2 inches of snow15:36
jpatricknot fair, cloudless sun here15:36
nixternalbah, 6 inches here15:36
nixternalcloudless sun15:36
nixternalRiddell: I fixed up your image and the Kubuntu upgrade page15:36
jeroen-beta update from gutsy went fine15:38
Riddelljeroen-: over the internet?15:38
jjesse_nixternal: nice job on the release notes for beta15:39
Riddelljeroen-: i386?15:39
jeroen-Riddell: yes15:39
jeroen-Riddell: yes15:39
Riddelljeroen-: excellent, many thanks15:39
jeroen-same as always15:39
jeroen-2 minor things :-(15:39
jeroen-1: after a while during the process clicking the mouse had no effect any more15:39
jeroen-had to use the keyboard15:39
jeroen-but can be a local issue15:40
Riddellthat's very strange15:40
jeroen-2: sudo on the command line doesn't work anymore after booting, it gives: sudo: unable to resolve host k-uptown15:40
jeroen-latter one is my hostname15:40
Riddelljeroen-: what does `hostname` report your host as?15:41
jeroen-so if someone has a solution for #2, that would be fine15:41
jeroen-Riddell: k-uptown15:41
jeroen-Riddell: and also kdesu doesn't work15:42
jeroen-mmm I'm a afraid this is not a minor issue15:43
nixternalRiddell: bug 3290615:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 32906 in sudo "sudo shouldn’t ABSOLUTELY NEED to look up the host it’s running on" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3290615:43
alleeHolI've uploaded a gwenview to ppa: Fix crash with wrong EXIF info: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15952215:44
ubotuKDE bug 159522 in general "gwenview craches on images with incorrect exif info" [Normal,New]15:44
alleeHolshould I add a bug report or is reminding after freeze enough?15:44
jeroen-fortunaly I have set my root password (if I remember)15:44
nixternaljeroen-: it seems either k-uptown is missing from either /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname (probably hosts since hostname returns your hostname)15:45
RiddellalleeHol: poke me tomorrow to upload is fine15:45
alleeHolRiddell: k, thx15:46
nixternaland it seems the only workaround at this time is to boot from a livecd to fix it15:46
* nixternal wonders if there is a forums post with a true work around15:46
nixternaland it doesn't seem to attack everybody15:46
\shnixternal: elaborate please? what is missing from /etc/host{s,name}?15:51
jeroen-nixternal: k-uptown is indeed not in my host file15:52
jeroen-nixternal: but or I didnt set a root password or I forgot15:52
\shnow I get it ;)15:53
jeroen-and now!?15:53
\shjeroen-: rescue system...or init=/bin/bash or whatever it needs to get root shell ;)15:53
jeroen-\sh: yes that was where I was afraid of15:53
jeroen-I will be back15:54
ScottK2nixternal: I love the first comment in that bug, "…yeah, sudo, it’s all very clever until someone loses an eye!"15:55
Tm_TRiddell: hmm, are you as my "mentor" with evand  with my summer project, migration assistant (windows) or do we have someone else who are more close with this issue?15:56
RiddellTm_T: yes, me and evand15:57
Tm_TRiddell: roger, can you send me an email saying "I am the mentor of this project", some proof is asked15:58
Tm_Tjussi.kekkonen at gmail yadda15:58
Tm_TI got one from evand already15:58
Tm_TRiddell: 50/50 changes to get the job (I'll do this anyway though)15:59
Tm_Tas in I'm already in final round15:59
* apachelogger slaps Tm_T16:03
Tm_Tapachelogger: arr, were you looking for kde3->kde4 migration solutions?16:04
apacheloggerTm_T: I guess so16:04
Tm_Troger, I'll be looking for that too I believe16:05
Tm_Tnot now but during summer if not earlier16:05
jeroen-nixternal / Riddell : that was indeed the solution16:06
apacheloggerthe thing is, we ship KDE 4 in hardy :P16:06
jeroen-I assume that will be fixed16:06
Riddelljeroen-: its very strange, can't think what would cause it16:07
jeroen-Riddell: my hostname was not in /etc/hosts16:08
\shjeroen-: what was inside?16:08
Riddelljeroen-: right but it must have been before so something in the upgrade broke it16:08
jeroen-the hosts file?16:08
jeroen-Riddell: maybe I've deleted it16:09
\shjeroen-: jepp16:09
jeroen-\sh: the usual stuff16:09
jeroen-with localhost, but not my hostname16:09
jeroen-Riddell: so maybe I removed it a long time ago, but sudo didn't check that16:09
\shjeroen-: you need localhost , <hostname from dhcp or from other source.fqdn> <short hostname> and some ipv6 stuff16:09
nixternaljeroen-: glad that worked :)16:10
nixternalScottK2: hahaha, I didn't even notice the first comment in there..that is a good one :)16:10
jeroen-\sh: I had localhost ; some unneeded ipv6 stuff and some custom external hostnames16:10
jeroen-so I removed the ipv6 stuff and k-uptown16:11
jeroen-added k-uptown I mean16:11
\shjeroen-: why? is localhost <whatever you name it additionally>16:11
\shjeroen-: and when sudo complains about k-uptown, it has something inside which checks against k-uptown..16:12
\shjeroen-: please check /etc/sudoers too16:12
jeroen-\sh: oh wait I sgould use for k-uptown, according another machine I admin16:13
\shjeroen-: correct...but what's bugging me is sudo...when sudo asks about k-uptown, could it be you add a sudo rule which included a hostname?16:13
Riddell\sh: sudo always wants to know the hostname16:14
Riddellbreaks it in chroots16:14
jeroen-\sh: not that I am aware off, I just do sudo ; and the /etc/sudoers does not include my name, but the %admin group - if I'n right I am a member of that group16:15
jeroen-yes I am16:16
jeroen-off course16:16
jeroen-Riddell: so a solution should be to check if /etc/hostname is also in /ewtc/hosts and if not add it16:17
jeroen-I also have two firewall now :-)16:19
jeroen-ufw and firestarter16:19
\shRiddell: yes...it wants A hostname, which needs to be the same in /etc/hosts for and /etc/hostname (the short host without fqdn)16:19
\shfunpart is now to determine the bugger who is corrupting /etc/hosts ;)16:20
jeroen-\sh: that would be me :-)16:20
jeroen-another minor thing16:22
jeroen-gtkqt is not used when starting gtk-apps as root16:22
ScottK2\sh: Then there's Bug #8980 which may or may not relate.16:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 8980 in netcfg "hostname -f does not return a proper FQDN" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/898016:24
\shScottK2: now it's getting interesting .)16:28
\shScottK2: I'm on wired ethernet, and get my hostname + ip from dhcp..16:28
\shScottK2: my /etc/hosts looks like:
\shmy /etc/hostname is the shorthostname (wz-pc-006) , hostname -f gives me the fqdn16:29
\shI don't have any reference of the official ip of my NIC in /etc/hosts16:29
ScottK2I just get the short hostname with hostname -f16:29
comm_a_ndersame here16:30
ScottK2Let me check the Hardy one.16:30
ScottK2Hardy is the same.16:30
\shScottK2: what's written in /etc/hosts for you on gutsy (well, I can check it this evening)16:31
\shScottK2: hmmm...what could happen is, that the dhcp request didn't deliver the fqdn and something is adjusting /etc/hosts to the short name (happens with sloppy configured dhcpds)16:32
ScottK2\sh:       localhost and       KTS-D430, hostname -f returns  KTS-D43016:32
\shwhich is the correct behaviour16:32
* ScottK2 has also seen 8980 on boxen with static IP16:32
\shyou don't have a FQDN...just the short hostname16:32
jeroen-fyi: I have a static ip16:33
\shwhat happens if you set KTS-D430.testdomain.tld KTS-D43016:33
* ScottK2 checks16:33
ScottK2That works - KTS-D430.testdomain.tld16:34
\shhostname works with the resolver lib :)16:34
ScottK2IIRC 8980 has to do with getting some odd /etc/hosts setups that aren't recognized.16:34
\shif you set /etc/host.conf to order hosts,bind it checks hosts first, then configured nameserver for your fqdn16:35
jeroen-so what's good about qtcurve16:35
jeroen-has it some extra new features?16:35
\shScottK2: btw...today /etc/host.conf isn't used anymore, now we are using nsswitch.conf, and hosts entry says: hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns416:36
\shwhich means: check /etc/hosts, check mdns, check dns, check mdns complete16:37
\shso I think it's more a problem of a system which is not setup correctly, or not getting correct infos from dhcp or dns or whatever...or manually tweaked files, as we did in the past when dns was cryptic and /etc/hosts was the only name -> ip resolver16:37
ScottK2You forgot the step in there where mdns pounds the root name servers for .local.16:37
ScottK2For the static IP boxes I've had trouble with that on, however it was configured was done by the installer.16:38
* ScottK2 is not a big mdns fan. Broken by design.16:38
jeroen-only bigger problem now, is that Hardy right now is just partly translated (Dutch). I also assume that will solve itself.16:40
\shScottK2: hmm..avahi us only for service browsing...reading the conf it doesn't do anything, then service mdns requests...16:41
ScottK2\sh: How does mdns find stuff?16:42
ScottK2\sh: Makes dns query for .local which other mdns implementations respond to.  Also goes to the local DNS resolver, which knows nothing about a .local TLD (since it doesn't exist), and it gets passed (evntually) to a DNS root server.16:43
\shScottK2: that's what multicast dns is for...I wonder if they are using real mcast stuff ;)16:44
ScottK2If they'd just put mdns on a different port, all would be well.  It's overload the DNS port that's the fundamental problem.16:45
ScottK2mdns is not really DNS.16:45
\shwell, you can use DNS nowadays as a service browser too ;)16:45
\shat least, this is how jabber works nowadays to determine some ports for xmpp services16:46
ScottK2IIRC that's done with proper srv records and so doesn't have the same architectural problems that mdns has.16:46
\shScottK2: correct :)16:47
\shScottK2: and reading now http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAndUnicastDotLocal it's quite interessting ;)16:47
neversfelde|mobimhh, Upgrade Gutsy => Hardy via adept failed, but that may be a problem of virtualbox16:53
\shcan vbox now run hardy without not booting the kernel? ;)16:54
nixternalRiddell: was wondering when you would email the list of settings :)16:54
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\shScottK2: the best solution is to disable avahi completly ;)17:04
ScottK2Agreed.  I would really prefer we didn't install it by default.  It's just wrong.17:04
\shScottK2: well, I think we got already overruled :(17:05
Riddellneversfelde|mobi: what went wrong?17:06
\shScottK2: and I was surprised, when I saw in rhythmbox the last time, my music collection from my other desktop ;)17:06
neversfelde|mobiRiddell: a restart failed, I will do it a second time17:06
Riddellneversfelde|mobi: oh, that's not so bad then17:07
neversfelde|mobibut the upgrade is not really finished17:08
Riddellneversfelde|mobi: how did you try to restart?17:11
neversfelde|mobiRiddell: vbox freezed, I had to turn of the virtual machine17:11
neversfelde|mobilast message was "restarting"17:12
\shapachelogger: is there a jamendo plugin planned?17:12
apachelogger\sh: for amarok?17:13
\shapachelogger: sure...17:14
apachelogger\sh: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/514-Jamendo-downloads-now-working.html17:14
\shapachelogger: hmmm..and where can I find the tab (kubuntu)?17:15
\shapachelogger: I see magantune...but no jamendo17:15
smarter\sh: amarok217:17
\shapt-get install amarok217:17
\shno package named amarok217:17
smarter\sh: there's a secret PPA repository somewhere (:17:18
comm_a_nderin bielefeld?17:18
smarterbut for gutsy only iirc17:18
\shcomm_a_nder: bielefeld or gütersloh...I'm not sure ;)17:19
apacheloggernah, someone also uploaded it to hardy :P17:19
smarterapachelogger: O RLY?17:19
comm_a_nderbut instead of bielefeld gütersloh really exists *g*17:19
smarterapachelogger: but doesn't it needs Qt 4.4 now?17:19
\shcomm_a_nder: not really...it's mohn town ;)17:20
apacheloggeryeah, but the package is only tp117:20
\sheven the name tells us: haluzination17:20
apacheloggerhm dapper->hardy didn't work all that well17:21
* apachelogger is wondering why17:21
apacheloggeranother cool thing, gutsy-updates made xen uninstallable17:27
apacheloggerhm, even better, synaptic is just stupid -.-17:28
smarterapachelogger: uninstallable?17:30
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apacheloggersmarter: un-installable17:30
apacheloggerwoah, that word is strange :P17:30
smarterand what do you say when you can't uninstall something? (:17:31
* apachelogger slaps virtualbox17:31
apacheloggermy upgrade wasn't the most sucessful one17:32
apacheloggerI guess vbox is responsible17:32
apacheloggerblueyed: what is the background fix doing for gtk-qt?17:33
blueyedapachelogger: background fix?17:34
blueyedapachelogger: I'll have to change virtualbox.. has it installed the -386 kernel for you?17:34
apacheloggerwoah, there goes kwin17:35
apacheloggerblueyed: kubuntu_01_background_fix.diff17:35
apacheloggeryes it installed -38617:35
blueyedapachelogger: that patch isn't from me.17:36
blueyedapachelogger: Seems to come from 0.60-1.1ubuntu1.. probably obsolete?17:38
* apachelogger nukes it17:38
apacheloggerblueyed: if you want to give it a revu: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-qt-engine-kde417:50
jussi01apachelogger: svn hardy build of quassel in my ppa if you are interested17:59
jussi01I used your /debian folder18:01
* smarter_ has now more PPA than regular repository in his sources.list18:02
smarter_that'll probably explodes to my face someday18:02
kristjan_will this ugly bug make it into hardy? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/19836218:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 198362 in kdebase-workspace "[KDE4] Upgrade to 4.0.2. -> Panel is not displayed properly" [Low,Confirmed]18:02
apacheloggerkristjan_: we usually don't introduce bugs, we fix them :P18:02
smarter_we're in feature freeze, we can't add new features but new bugs are welcome :}18:03
apacheloggerjussi01: interesting version number ;-)18:03
kristjan_rephrased: are you sure you will fix it before hardy release?18:03
jussi01apachelogger: was that incorrect?18:03
apacheloggerkristjan_: no18:03
apacheloggerkde will though18:03
apacheloggeror maybe not18:03
jeroen-me doesn't like the colored scroll bars18:04
kristjan_it's really ugly bug :-(18:04
apacheloggerIIRC that problem is caused by Qt 4.318:04
apacheloggerwhich means we can't do anything about it18:04
apacheloggerespecially since hacking on plasma will end in a big explosion with a possability of 90%18:04
jeroen-I didnt see a option to turn it off in qtcurve18:04
jeroen-so I moved bacj to polyester18:04
apacheloggerjussi01: technically, yes, but better than breaking something :)18:10
jussi01apachelogger: hrmm, I didnt really adjust it, dch -i did ;)18:11
apacheloggerfair enough18:11
jjesse_anyone following March Madness and the NCAA tournement?18:11
jjesse_i'm enjoying the ability to watch any game on cbs18:12
* apachelogger wonders where jpatrick is18:12
kristjan_Riddell: can you please change the status of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/18451 to "no fix yet or something" [gutsy does adapt user theme, but this ability is gone after you choose to update 7.10]18:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 18451 in kdebase "Administrator mode should adapt to QT theme" [Wishlist,Fix released]18:13
kristjan_(I guess changing it back to "confirmed" would be good choice)18:15
Riddelldavmor2: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/333818:18
Riddellkristjan_: poke Tonio_ with that one18:19
kristjan_Tonio_: can you please change the status of bug18451 back to "confirmed" - the fix only works if you choose to not update gutsy18:20
yuriyhappy hug day everyone! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080320/KDE18:23
kristjan_what happened to blue tentacles kdm screen, was it put aside for release candidate or it got removed permanently?18:29
=== smarter_ is now known as smarter
Riddellkdm-kde4 needed changes on the live CD that'll be done after beta18:30
yuriyis the live cd using kdm-kde4 now? it was kdm-kde3 in alpha 6, right?18:31
kristjan_yuriy: still kde3 one18:31
davmor2Riddell: Nice and your still likely to get skinned alive subrub of Birmingham my arse ;)18:33
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gribelunow that we have gtk-qt-engine-kde4 someone should invent qt3-qt4-engine-kde418:35
smartergt-qt4-engine is in the repo?18:36
kristjan_bespin style looks broken, or the menus are supposed to be black?18:39
kristjan_nevermind, it's supposed to be like this18:43
Tonio_kristjan_: kdesu/kesudo will no longuer use the user's theme since that requires to bind the root home to the user's18:45
Tonio_kristjan_: that's BAD since when you write file they are UID root and then the user cannot write on them18:46
Tonio_kristjan_: basically, what we have is what we want to have, there is no better option18:46
kristjan_Tonio_: why mark it "fix released" then? mark "invalid" or something18:46
Tonio_kristjan_: because is was fix released for some time18:46
Tonio_kristjan_: thn we saw the issue doing that way and there was another bug18:47
Tonio_so yes, the status changed, should now be won't fix18:47
kristjan_Tonio_: please do it then ;-)18:47
Tonio_kristjan_: just that we cannot remember of all bugs previously closed when we change something :)18:47
Riddellyuriy: that hug day page doesn't say what irc channel is used18:47
kristjan_Tonio_: one more question - how come ubuntu manages to integrate synaptic then?18:48
Riddellyuriy: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/334018:49
Tonio_kristjan_: afaik, gksudo doesn't use the user's home, it does the way we do, am I wrong on that point ?18:50
Tonio_% gksudo env | grep HOME                                                                                                                                         [0.08 0.14 - 35% 3%]18:51
Tonio_kristjan_: confirmed, it'll not use the user's profile, for the same reasons we don't18:51
kristjan_Tonio_: to avoid any confusion, I'm not hacker. I'm just here because that bug status does bother me.18:52
Tonio_kristjan_: sure18:52
yuriyRiddell: actually it does mention it, but generally the Ubuntu page doesn't so I haven't been putting it on there. maybe i should.18:52
kristjan_Tonio_: last time I played around in gnome, it did adapt my gtk style, but only the one that was installed system wide18:52
Tonio_kristjan_: to make it simple : ubuntu doesn't do any better with gnome than what we do with kde18:52
Tonio_kristjan_: I should test to confirm it does....18:53
kristjan_Tonio_: I could reboot and test it18:53
Tonio_kristjan_: afaics, as long as the home in use is /home, changing the user's prefs concerning the theme shouldn't work18:54
Tonio_kristjan_: please do :)18:54
kristjan_Tonio_: so don't disconnect yet18:54
Tonio_kristjan_: I have to go but you can ping me by email18:54
Tonio_I have a train to get.....18:54
Tonio_Riddell: can you say him I really had to go ? ;)18:54
Tonio_Riddell: thanks18:55
Tonio_Riddell: please tell him I'll be there tomorrow all the day18:57
Tonio_contrib day ;)18:57
kristjan_did tonia_ say something?19:00
kristjan_I asked him not to leave19:00
Riddell18:54 < Tonio_> I have a train to get.....19:00
Riddell18:54 < Tonio_> Riddell: can you say him I really had to go ? ;)19:00
kristjan_Riddell: too bad, can I leave a message him?19:01
Riddellkristjan_: e-mail tonio@toniox.org19:01
kristjan_ok thanks19:02
afiestasRiddell what version I need use to test the bugs in the "hug day" ? I have an updated alpha6 because I don't found the beta images :/19:10
Riddellyuriy: ^^19:11
Riddellafiestas: updated alpha 6 should be fine19:11
afiestasok :p19:12
Riddellryanakca: so, website, what's the status?19:26
_StefanS_Riddell: hey, what about that mail from Craig d. regarding qtcurve-gtk2? is it too late?19:28
Riddell_StefanS_: is he the qtcurve developer?19:29
_StefanS_Riddell: yup19:30
RiddellI think its too late for the gtk theme to be added19:33
yuriyafiestas: welcome :) feel free to ask me or others in #ubuntu-bugs if you have questions about triaging19:33
_StefanS_Riddell: ok then19:34
_StefanS_Riddell: too bad.19:34
afiestasyuriy ok, thanks, I'm just reinstalling the kubuntu alpha 6 in my other laptop  :)19:34
jjesseyay finally have vmware up and running in hardy now my machine is ready :)19:57
jjessegrumble why do i never remember what i need to set my ssh key for launchpad to?20:16
nosrednaekimRiddell: I added IPP printer support to system-config-printer-kde.... is it too late to get it into hardy?20:16
seelehuh.. that's interesting20:17
seeleapparently there was a grad student who did a usability study on ubiquity last spring around the same time i did20:17
seeleunfortunately he didnt put his results anywhere we would find them, but he did just send me his thesis20:18
dasKreechThat's kinda random20:19
dasKreechThough I guess starting season if usability now would prompt that20:20
seeleno.. he found my article in the UPA Voice and followed it to my open source work20:20
Riddellnosrednaekim: ooh, rocking20:22
seeleit's people like that we want to catch with the SoU tho20:22
seelethey are interested in usability and open source but havent put it together yet, usually because they dont know how or its really hard to get involved20:22
seeleso the SoU introduces them to a project, they work with a developer and usability engineer and have something to show for it at the end20:22
seeleand many times they create a relationship with the project and continue to contribute20:23
Riddellseele: curious20:23
seeleRiddell: at least in theory.  we haven't *really* had too many stick around afterwards :-/20:24
seelewho wouldn't want to work with all you lovely people?!20:24
* Riddell looks coy20:25
Tm_TRiddell: do you have short moment? I'm building my final application20:27
RiddellTm_T: ok20:28
dasKreechseele: Hooray. Kmymoney is using your template :)20:31
Tm_TRiddell: it's work in progress so good time for you to throw ideas and what you would love to see there20:31
blueyed"Charset" in kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/searchproviders desktop files is also deprecated, isn't it? (it's set to empty for all)20:32
nosrednaekimTm_T: what org are you applying to?20:33
dasKreechnow if we can convince the buggers to move to KDE4...20:33
Tm_Tnosrednaekim: finnish org named COSS20:33
seeledasKreech: do you use KMyMoney?20:34
dasKreechI'm running KDE4 Pure now20:34
dasKreechso not for a while20:34
Tm_Tnosrednaekim: see www.coss.fi20:34
dasKreechI would like to use it again :)20:34
* seele grumbles20:35
seelewhy does everyone think the iPhone has some great level of usability?20:35
dasKreechIf it supported Flake stuff from koffice it could build charts from usage history which would be killer20:35
dasKreechseele: I'm sorry should I use it?20:35
RiddellTm_T: "Ubuntu (GNOME) has migration tool, which will be a base for this project." that should be a bit stronger, its an extention to the same project to add KDE support, not a new project based on an old one20:35
seeledasKreech: i dunno.. i've never used it myself20:35
Tm_TRiddell: yes, true, should put weight on it20:35
dasKreechseele: They do? I thought it had novel usability which is quite different20:35
dasKreechseele: you'd scream20:35
dasKreechit's quite nice once you get used to it but it's a conundrum at the start20:36
seeledasKreech: it's the latest fad to cite the iPhone when talking about mobile technology usability20:36
seeleprobably makes nokia and nextel scream20:36
RiddellTm_T: "backend and MS Windows side is mostly done" the KDE part of the backend isn't mostly done20:37
Tm_TRiddell: yup, true there, misworded once again :)20:37
Tm_Tme brainfarting20:37
RiddellTm_T: "Frontend will be based.." that paragraph should note that the frontend is part of ubiquity20:38
Tm_Theh :)20:39
Tm_Tthat's why I asked you to look it20:39
Tm_Talways something I don't understand to say out clear20:39
RiddellTm_T: "Information from Applicant" doesn't mention if you have any experience with pyqt or C20:40
RiddellTm_T: pyKDE -> pyQt20:40
Tm_Ttrue true20:40
Tm_T"Frontend will be done for Ubiquity Kubuntu installer, based to pyQt ..."20:41
Tm_TRiddell: F5 is your friend btw (I love kio)20:42
Tm_T...though someone accidentally edited wrong file :--P20:43
blueyedDoesn't plasma use kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts? (web shortcuts). I've killed and restarted it even.20:43
Riddellblueyed: alt-f2 probably should20:45
blueyedRiddell: no, that's what I've meant. Konqueror does..20:45
Riddellblueyed: maybe it doesn't then20:46
afiestas<afiestas> A fresh installation of kubuntu alpha6: knetworkmanager can't connect to my hidden wpa2 essid (with dhcp) (paste from #ubuntu-bugs)20:46
blueyedRiddell: yes, it doesn't use the others, too. What a pity.20:48
* seele wonders if she scared Riddell away from the printing discussion21:01
blueyedRiddell: you have to restart krunner, then it works.21:04
Riddellseele: no, just had a shower.  but I am pretty confused by the whole thing21:09
seelethat's ok.  youre clean now, i'm sure it will make sense soon :P21:10
seeleTZ doesn't help by interjecting his opinion on something unrelated either21:10
Riddellseele: who is actually involved with this?21:12
seeleRiddell: design-wise it is Peter Sikking, whatever apprentice he's suckered in, me, and Jan Muehlig21:12
seeleRiddell: Josef is involved in the coding end of it, Christian Tiberna used to be, but I think he handed it off to Josef21:13
seeleRiddell: no one is involved on the gnome side, even after poking them a few times21:13
ryanakcaRiddell: sorry, haven't worked on it in the past week or so, but I'll try to get it done tonight and mail it off to you to review21:13
seeleand a whole slew of other people involved in technical stuff i dont understand21:14
Riddellryanakca: done as in done?21:14
ryanakcaRiddell: Other than the download page, yes21:14
ryanakcaRiddell: did you want one like ubuntu.com, or like we currently have?21:14
jeroen-mysql will not start anymore after upgrade21:20
jeroen-does anyone know how to get a verbose output somewhere?21:21
ryanakcajeroen-: #ubuntu+1 please21:21
Riddellryanakca: the download page should be like ubuntu has21:27
Riddellseele: possibly impolite questions. this printer stuff has been going on for two years and the design isn't done, what's taken so long?21:27
* seele coughs21:34
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apacheloggerI need a revu22:37
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jeroen-got strange kdesudo thing22:43
jeroen-seems like a subscription :-(22:43
jeroen-cannot open display:22:44
jeroen-No protocol specified22:44
jeroen-the first time it works22:45
jeroen-the second time it fails22:45
jeroen-seems familiar22:45
jeroen-again: only with non-root users22:45
Riddellkdesudo.  complain to tonio22:45
neversfelde|mobiRiddell: second Upgrade 7.10 > 8.04 via adept worked perfectly22:46
neversfelde|mobithere is a feedback page for that, isn t it22:46
Riddellneversfelde|mobi: awooga22:46
Riddellneversfelde|mobi: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/upgrade/all22:47
apacheloggerRiddell: do you have time to give http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-qt-engine-kde4 a revu?22:48
neversfelde|mobi:), shall I do another one?22:48
Riddellapachelogger: I could although it means I shouldn't then review it in New queue22:49
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apacheloggeryeah, I suspected that22:49
* apachelogger points his sonic screwdriver @ blueyed's pc and makes it blink in sorts of colors22:49
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jeroen-Bug #20444022:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 204440 in kdesudo "[hardy]: kdesudo as non-root user works only once" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20444022:54
neversfelde|mobiis it necessary to test dapper > hardy upgrades?22:56
jeroen-neversfelde|mobi: I would say:yes22:56
jeroen-allthough it will only be on servers I assume22:57
Riddellneversfelde|mobi: preferable certainly.  and someone should document how its done for Kubuntu (installing update-manager then the normal ubuntu way)22:57
emonkeyneversfelde|mobi, afaik there was a blog entry from \sh about that some time ago22:57
emonkeybut he wrotes primarly about servers ...22:57
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neversfelde|mobiok, I will do some tests tomorrow, but does adept notice that it should upgrade to hardy and not to edgy?22:59
neversfelde|mobianyway, its time to sleep. If I have questions I'll come back tomorrow23:01
_StefanS_Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportGtkEnginesQtCurve, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-qtcurve/+bug/20444323:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 204443 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve "gtk2-engines-qtcurve inclusion to the main repository" [Undecided,New]23:13
nixternalOK, I am going to need a "hacking" project for this semester23:14
nixternalthis class project is similar to a GSOC, however I have to create it from the ground up and run it as a MIS solution23:15
Riddell_StefanS_: step 1 complete :)23:16
_StefanS_Riddell: yup, I'm writing tonio at the moment, I hope he can fix that in k-d-s, else I'm going to take it tomorrow night.23:16
jjessenixternal: sounds like fun23:32
ryanakcaRiddell: still awake? Did you want the whole story or just a teaser on the News page?23:36
ryanakcaTeaser I'm assuming?23:36
Riddellryanakca: umm, dunno, I've never seen the news page23:37
ryanakcaRiddell: ok. I'll set it to teaser for now (just a quick resume, like we have now), and if we want to display the whole article down the road we can easily do that :)23:39
RiddellseaLne: fancy seeding some torrents with your mega bandwidth?23:47
awen_Riddell: regarding bug 145337 ... what about having g-p-m spawn a helper app that listens for the HAL button events and issues the dcop commands? (alternative solution if the keycode 212 just wont work)23:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145337 in kdeutils "Brightness key stopped working after update [Gutsy]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14533723:55
Riddellawen_: hmm, cludgy23:57
sahin_hHas Kubuntu 8.04 beta released already? I would like to translate and publish the release note to Hungarian on http://ubuntu.hu23:58
awen_Riddell: furthermore it should work for more laptops, as not all uses the 101+212 keycodes23:59
RiddellseaLne: it's in the process of being released, notes are here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu23:59

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