[00:02] <Riddell> nixternal: I think beta release notes should include the highlights for the whole cycle
[00:02] <nixternal> oh wow
[00:02] <nixternal> OK
[00:02] <Riddell> nixternal: which would be just a copy and paste of the best of the alpha notes
[00:05] <jjesse> anyone else been throwing away a lot of cds lately that don't install?
[00:07] <nixternal> the new cds install
[00:10] <nosredna_ekim> seele: I have a printerconfig GUI dialog screen here that you might want to look at for GUI design (which I am admittedly horrible at)
[00:10] <nosredna_ekim> seele: is a screenshot best, or a .ui ?
[00:10] <seele> screenshot
[00:10] <seele> thx
[00:10] <nosredna_ekim> ok
[00:10] <jjesse> evening
[00:11] <dasKreech> jjesse: you can install from the hard drive
[00:12] <jjesse> dasKreech: really?  how does that work?
[00:12] <dasKreech> !iso
[00:12] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[00:12] <dasKreech> wait that wasn't it :)
[00:12] <dasKreech> !install
[00:12] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[00:12] <nixternal> Riddell: KDE 4, KDE 3, Desktop Effects, Amarok, Wubi, Encryption, NTFS Support -- anything else big you would like included?
[00:12] <dasKreech> jjesse: bottom URL
[00:12] <nosredna_ekim> seele: seele at kde.org ?
[00:12] <seele> celeste@kde.org
[00:13] <nosredna_ekim> nixternal: printerconfig?
[00:13] <nixternal> hey, where is my @kde.org :p
[00:13] <awen_> ScottK: no fixes for p-m anyway... the in-hardware check doesn't make sense due to some shortcommings in HAL reading the brightness state (eg. it can only read the last value set by software)
[00:13] <jjesse> hrmm bot still references dapper on that second one
[00:13] <dasKreech> nixternal: You have a vista.gov ;-P
[00:13] <nosredna_ekim> seele: ok, I have to go, i'll send you the SS right now though
[00:14] <dasKreech> jjesse: me?
[00:14] <jjesse> dasKreech: under !install it references DapperReleaseNotes/.Ubiquity/KnownIssues
[00:15] <jjesse> !install
[00:15] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[00:15] <dasKreech> jjesse: that's not the last URL
[00:15] <jjesse> i know that but still needs to be updated :)
[00:15] <awen_> ScottK: if you have some other bugs , or other missing/planned fixes, I should have a look at, please tell
[00:15] <jjesse> brb rebooting to install hardy
[00:17] <nosredna_ekim> later guys...
[00:19] <nixternal> !no, install is Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[00:19] <ubotu> I'll remember that nixternal
[00:19] <nixternal> !install
[00:19] <ubotu> install is Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[00:19] <nixternal> wtfork
[00:19] <nixternal> !no install is Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[00:20] <dasKreech> nixternal: Huh what's the difference ?
[00:22] <jeroen-> I try to find a release date for hardy, but can't find a roadmap :-(
[00:22] <jeroen-> oh wait, sorry :-)
[00:23] <jeroen-> found it
[00:23] <dasKreech> Search for schedule
[00:23] <jeroen-> April 24th :-(
[00:23] <jeroen-> there goes my schedule
[00:25] <ScottK> awen_: Will do.  I probably won't look at it much before Saturday.  I'm mostly thrilled fixing apport didn't result in an avalanch of new crashes being reported.
[00:26] <awen_> ScottK: the quiet weeks where apport crashes wasn't coming in gave you the time to fix all the bugs ;)
[00:26] <Riddell> nixternal: kaffeine codec install maybe, bulletproof X
[00:26] <ScottK> Hopefully the people that went to the trouble to report crashes manually gave us reasonable coverage.
[00:26] <ScottK> nixternal: Don't forget the displayconfig note I gave you.
[00:27] <dasKreech> nixternal: Nice pointing out the still open bugs
[00:27] <nixternal> well, it seems with Beta we are just going over the major things in Hardy
[00:30] <nixternal> Riddell: do the DVD codecs work with Kaffeine yet?
[00:34] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, but xine itself is broken for dvds
[00:34] <Riddell> dasKreech: we would do backports same as we currently do for gutsy
[00:34] <dasKreech> wonderful :)
[00:36] <Riddell> (infact we might do more than that, we'll discuss at UDS)
[00:38] <dasKreech> backport to dapper >_<
[00:39] <seele> Riddell: what part of printing is nosredna_ekim working on?
[00:39] <seele> I'm not sure what to make of this screenshot he sent me
[00:40] <Riddell> seele: I think he's been doing bits on the new printer configutation tool
[00:42] <seele> hmm
[00:48] <dasKreech> jjesse: hardied?
[00:49] <jjesse> dasKreech: yes kde4 hardied
[00:49] <jjesse> miss things like an irc client
[00:50] <dasKreech> irssi :)
[00:50] <jjesse> so i had to install konverstation
[00:50] <jjesse> never got used to irsii
[00:50] <seele> dasKreech: KDE is a *desktop* environment ;P
[00:52] <dasKreech> seele, jjesse: kopete
[00:53] <jjesse> dasKreech: didn't know kopete did it
[00:53] <seele> Riddell: is the printer configuration tool planned to be completed really soon?  because it's in the hardy beta and pretty much not operational
[00:53] <jjesse> that's cool
[00:53] <jjesse> need to change the book on that i'm sure :(
[00:54] <Riddell> seele: no, it'll have to be disabled for this release, I just haven't had enough time to work on it unfortunately
[00:54] <seele> Riddell: will we use the kde3 tool then?  or is it broken?
[00:55] <Riddell> seele: kde 3 tool works just not in all situations, and we have the new applet which does the auto-configure stuff and that solves the main problems
[00:56] <Riddell> so yes we'll use the kde 3 tool and the new applet
[00:56] <seele> what is the new applet?  is there a package i can download?
[00:57] <awen_> dasKreech: kopete misses irc support on the current kde4 live-cd
[00:57] <Riddell> seele: system-config-printer-kde-applet in the system-config-printer-kde package
[00:57] <Riddell> seele: same package as the new config tool
[00:57] <dasKreech> awen_: >_<
[00:57] <jjesse> dasKreech: am i stupid and not seeing irc in kopete?
[00:57] <Riddell> seele: you should already have it running, if you plug in a new printer it should pop up, also if you print something
[00:58] <dasKreech> jjesse: apparently it's not there
[00:58] <jjesse> dangi i thought i saw it once?
[00:59] <awen_> jjesse: irc in kopete is missing in kde4 atm... there is already a bug-report against the knetwork-kde4 source
[00:59] <seele> Riddell: yeah, i saw the kprint thing (or whatever it is called) but i only have a network printer and the wizard in Applications:System doesn't work
[00:59] <awen_> at least I found the bug report yesterday
[01:00] <Riddell> seele: right, network printing is still the problem.  if ipp printer sharing is on it should just work, or you can struggle with the kde 3 setup tool, or you can just system-config-printer-gnome
[01:00] <jjesse> interesting the default home page in firefox when i installed is the firefox welcome page on my gnome hardy its wleocme to ubuntu
[01:01] <seele> Riddell: ah, figures the part i need is broken :)
[01:04] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu    <-- Riddell
[01:05] <Riddell> nixternal: looks great
[01:05] <nixternal> groovy, I am going to take the screenshots now
[01:05] <Riddell> nixternal: I have screenshots of the upgrade process
[01:06] <nixternal> either attach them to the wiki or upload them so I can grab and edit..that would rock
[01:07] <Riddell> nixternal: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/upgrade/
[01:07] <nixternal> thanks!
[01:07] <Riddell> nixternal: can be put at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[01:07] <nixternal> ok, I will work on that in a bit as well
[01:07] <Riddell> will need some cropping of course
[01:08] <Riddell> nixternal: "Kubuntu with KDE 3" -> "Kubuntu"  it's the definitive version
[01:08] <Riddell> "Kubuntu with KDE 4" -> Kubuntu KDE 4 Remix
[01:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: if we settle the kde4 version of gtk-qt-engine on the kde3 version, should we keep the changelog and document all changes?
[01:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: they should be separate packages for now surely
[01:08] <apachelogger> yeah
[01:08] <apachelogger> well
[01:09] <Riddell> nixternal: KDE 4 won't be in shipit, exact method to be decided but just say "CDs available for groups who need it..."
[01:09] <apachelogger> that sentence was wrong
[01:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: if we use the kde3 version as base for te kde4 packaging
[01:09]  * apachelogger should go to bed :S
[01:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: scrap the changelog in that case, no point duplicating it
[01:10] <Riddell> nixternal: Info: can point to the relevant dot.kde.org article, or KDE release pages
[01:10] <apachelogger> ok
[01:11]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:20] <nixternal> ScottK: can you link me to that page about your changes again? I am going to write up a little something about them in the release notes
[01:26] <nixternal> ScottK: never mind, I grep'd my logs for it
[01:31] <ScottK> nixternal: I've still got it if you want it.  I just need to fire up my laptop.
[01:33] <ScottK2> nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59981/
[01:57] <yuriy> bug 105899 has patches upstream from a few months ago
[01:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105899 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager Should Support "Key Type" Selection under WPA Enterprise" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105899
[02:03] <nixternal> hrmm, I take that drive encryption on install isn't available on a Desktop CD?
[02:03] <nixternal> also, jjesse was right, you can't install with the latest Desktop CD...has an issue with partition sizes
[02:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdepim-kde4 is still in the archives, this should be removed ASAP as it has broken dependencies and is old and ...
[02:10] <nixternal> was requested a month or so back and never heard much about it
[02:13] <ScottK2> Maybe there's an archive admin that cares enough about Kubuntu to do it ....
[02:18] <apachelogger> blueyed: I was wrong there, is some issue with the po files I can't find a proper solution for, I will have a look at it tomorrow ... you can find the current package at http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/gtk-qt-engine-kde4/
[02:19] <ScottK2> nixternal: You got what you need on release notes, right?
[03:20] <ScottK2> How the heck to I navigate in kde3 with just a keyboard (machine in question is mouseless)?
[03:23] <nixternal> ctrl+esc == kmenu
[03:23] <nixternal> alt+space == katapult ;p
[03:23] <nixternal> alt+f2 == krunner :p
[03:24] <nixternal> or you can actually go into system settings, and setup the arrow keys for mouse control
[03:24] <nixternal> oh my, Riddell gave me 12 images for the updater..that's insane
[03:25] <awen_> ScottK2: just like allways :) ... katapult is your friend; and konqueror is one of the greatest browsers to use keyboard only
[03:26] <ScottK2> ctrl + esc got me ksysguard.
[03:27] <ScottK2> alt + space worked.
[03:29] <awen_> ScottK2: kmenu = alt+f1 ?
[03:40] <ScottK2> I got what I needed with katapult.  Thanks.
[03:41]  * ScottK2 will try ctrl + esc again.  I guess if that continues to bring up ksysguard it's a bug.
[03:43] <awen_> ScottK: ctrl+esc has always brougt ksysguar for me (since at least feisty)
[03:43] <ScottK> OK.  Then I don't know what nixternal was smoking.
[03:43] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:43] <awen_> ScottK: some windows weed ;)
[03:44] <awen_> or maybe he uses the windows scheme in shortcuts (could very well have ctrl+esc as default)
[03:46]  * awen_ goes offline
[04:46] <nixternal> Riddell: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades  -- complete - added a 2nd page (HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu) with a full graphical version of the installation process.
[05:15] <yuriy> kdm-kde3 is still default for kubuntu-kde4, right?
[06:07] <Arby> nixternal: just reading the HardyUpgrades page, a few comments if you're interested
[06:07] <Arby> the first section says you can only upgrade to Hardy from 7.10
[06:08] <Arby> then next section describes how to upgrade from Dapper
[06:08] <Arby> could be confusing
[06:10] <Arby> more importantly the instructions for LTS to LTS upgrades are confusing
[06:10] <Arby> if I go adept-manager > manage repositories
[06:11] <Arby> I see the sources.list
[06:11] <Arby> the dapper-proposed repository doesn't appear in that list for me to enable it
[06:12] <Arby> and there is nothing to tell me what it's address should be
[06:12] <Arby> I tried running kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" but that doesn't work
[06:12] <Arby> maybe it's just me and I've forgotten how to do stuff in dapper
[06:13] <Arby> but thought I should mention it
[06:13] <Arby> feel free to ping to discuss further
[06:13] <Arby> I'll be at work but I'll try to help
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[06:15] <nixternal> Arby: I am only concerned with the Kubuntu instructions...the rest is for Ubuntu..honestly we should have our own page anyways
[06:17] <Arby> so will the LTS instructions for dapper be different
[06:17] <Arby> or is dapper to hardy not supported for kubuntu
[06:17] <nixternal> Kubuntu isn't LTS, so anything dealing with LTS doesn't concern us at this point
[06:18] <Arby> I can see people with kubuntu dapper boxes being unhappy about that
[06:18] <nixternal> for Kubuntu, you can only go from Gutsy -> Hardy
[06:18] <Arby> but that discussion has been had
[06:19] <nixternal> well, they can be angry at Canonical..it wasn't our choice
[06:19] <Arby> I quite agree
[06:19] <Arby> I'm not arguing with you
[06:19] <nixternal> oh I know
[06:19] <stdin> to anyone with upload rights: patch for bug #201825 up
[06:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201825 in kdenetwork-kde4 "wrong dependencies in kdenetwork-dev-kde4" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201825
[06:19] <nixternal> watching some funny youtube videos :p
[06:20]  * nixternal wishes he had upload rights
[06:22] <nixternal> stdin: test building it now and will then upload
[06:22] <nixternal> thanks for the patch!
[06:23] <stdin> nixternal: wasn't a big fix, one word really ;)
[06:23] <nixternal> 2
[06:23] <stdin> though I fixed another little bug too
[06:24] <nixternal> kde -> kde4, kdenetwork -> kdenetwork-kde4, ooh and Binary -> source
[06:24] <nixternal> so 3 :p
[06:24] <stdin> well, I've been itching to do something recently :)
[06:25] <nixternal> hehe
[06:30] <Arby> nixternal: so the recommended upgrade path for Dapper is via Edgy/Feisty/Gutsy?
[06:31] <Arby> starting from EdgyUpgrades?
[06:44] <nixternal> that I couldn't tell ya
[06:51] <nixternal> could kdenetwork-kde4 take any longer to build?
[07:06] <Arby> oh well, work time now
[07:22] <stdin> nixternal: I hope is built by now
[07:28] <nixternal> ya, uploading it now
[07:29] <nixternal> everything seemed to install fine
[07:29] <Nightrose> morning :)
[07:29] <nixternal> mornin' Nightrose
[07:29] <stdin> good, I'll send it to the PPA :)
[07:32] <nixternal> Successfully uploaded packages.
[07:32] <nixternal> and on that note, I can go to sleep now :)
[07:32] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:32] <Nightrose> ;-) nini nixternal
[07:52] <jussi01> hrm, did anyone else have the link in the email from lp about the new kde4 list not work?
[08:04] <rbrunhuber-au> hobbsee ping
[08:10] <Nightrose> jussi01: jep - it is a not really sane tld ;-) - you can sign up on the LP page
[08:10] <jussi01> Nightrose: ahh, thnaks
[08:10] <Nightrose> ;-)
[08:10] <Nightrose> yw
[08:15] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: did you tell the launchpad guys about the broken link yet?
[08:16] <Nightrose> (in the mail about the mailinglist)
[08:16] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: yes
[08:16] <Nightrose> ok cool
[08:17] <rbrunhuber-au> Hi Hobbsee
[08:17] <Hobbsee> heya
[08:18]  * Hobbsee is only semi-here
[08:18] <rbrunhuber-au> Finally I'm in Sydney.
[08:18] <rbrunhuber-au> Hobbsee, only one minute please.
[08:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: we should enable shadowed text for the windeco. I forgot to mention it earlier.
[08:21] <_StefanS_> bbl
[08:23] <Serega> mornin
[09:09] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:26] <jpatrick> hey Tonio_
[09:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: we should enable shadowed text for the windeco. I forgot to mention it earlier, can we do it now?
[09:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure
[09:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I would like to change the buttons
[09:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: make the "hover" more visible
[09:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that requires to change the images right ?
[10:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep thats right
[10:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Although I'm not sure if you need the original inkscape file to make it look any good. I can send them to you
[10:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I was going to look at it, but you know time flies
[10:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I sent you the original svg now, its the one postfixed with 2
[10:14] <_StefanS_> bbl
[11:50] <rbrunhuber-au> Hobbsee, have a minute now?
[11:52] <jjesse> morning
[11:55] <ScottK> It looks like the kdebase in the Kubuntu bzr is pretty ancient.  I'm preparing an upload (to apply cjwatson's man page fix).  I think it would make sense to remove the vcs headers from debian/control at the same time?
[11:56] <ScottK> Good morning jjesse.
[11:56] <jjesse> hello ScottK
[11:57] <Riddell> ScottK: I'd keep them, we'll use bzr when there the tools are more integrated
[11:58] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Will do.
[12:09] <Jucato> seele: comment #17 is by far the best comment on your blog :)
[12:14] <ScottK2> Riddell: Opinions on the patches in Bug #19767 (looks like Debian made this change almost two years ago) and Bug #176114
[12:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 19767 in kdebase "Kde help search fails too quietly  if htdig is not installed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19767
[12:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176114 in kdebase "[Konqueror 3.5.8] Ad Block Plus doesn't work after list upgrade" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176114
[12:20] <Riddell> ScottK2: htdig is in universe, we can't add it
[12:21] <Riddell> ScottK2: second one looks fine if it works
[12:22] <ScottK> Riddell: htdig patch is already in kdebase, just points to the wrong place.  I know we can't add it ad depends, but we can at least fix the path.
[12:22] <ScottK> ad/as
[12:23] <Riddell> ScottK: ah, I see the second patch, go for it then
[12:23] <ScottK> Thanks
[12:40] <smarter_> oh I remember #176114
[12:41] <smarter_> Unfortunately my patch didn't work and I've no idea why
[12:43] <seele> Jucato: lol
[12:44] <Jucato> :D
[12:44] <jjesse> evening Jucato
[12:44] <Jucato> good morning jjesse!
[12:44]  * Jucato stretches his legs
[12:44] <jussi01> yay!!!!
[12:44] <jussi01> :D
[12:44] <jjesse> yay
[12:45] <Jucato> yay
[12:45] <Jucato> (what are we yay'ing about?)
[12:45] <jussi01> Jucato: he didnt use my name...
[12:45] <jjesse> life?
[12:45] <jussi01> :D
[12:45] <Jucato> lol
[12:45] <Jucato> yeah 2nd time :)
[12:45] <Jucato> he's getting better at it
[12:45] <smarter> what's even more strange is that "                 if (line.lower().compare("[adblock]") == 0)" right before should be enough to avoid the bug
[12:47]  * jpatrick watches yao_ziyuan in #k
[12:47] <smarter> this guy is so funny :P
[12:48]  * jussi01 sighs at him
[12:49] <smarter> still complaining about asians characters support?
[12:49] <jpatrick> no
[12:50] <jpatrick> system beeps appartently
[12:50] <ScottK> smarter: So that means I shouldn't worry about applying that patch?
[12:50] <smarter> ScottK: you should worry about finding a proper patch :P
[12:50] <ScottK> smarter: I'm assembling available ones right now.  I guess I won't count that one.
[12:51] <smarter> I may try to make a patch that work this weekend if I get enough time and motivation ;)
[12:51] <Riddell> nixternal: one more upgrade image if you could, for upgrading from an alternate CD rather than the internet http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/cd1.png
[12:52] <ScottK> smarter: If get one that works, please let me know.
[12:52] <smarter> sure
[12:53] <ScottK> I may even be done test building kdebase by this weekend ...
[13:00] <Riddell> seele: did you have anything to add to KubuntuDefaultSettings ?
[13:02] <smarter> mmh, is there a fix for the "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" when you try to mount an ntfs partition in Kubuntu other than upgrading to Hardy?
[13:05] <etretyak> smarter: only if you apply patches to kdebase from hardy
[13:05] <seele> Riddell: click instead of hover on kickoff, but i didnt ask because i know they wont go for it
[13:08] <seele> they're also talking about reordering the tabs depending on the dock location of kickoff, which i think is stupid but whatever
[13:10]  * Jucato would love it if the tabs were movable/arrangeable...
[13:10] <seele> sure, under user control
[13:10] <seele> but not reordering them by default
[13:10]  * Jucato nods
[13:12] <seele> hmm.. orange mango juice is good in theory, but so thick it's like youre drinking puree or something
[13:12] <Jucato> hahahah!  :)
[13:13] <Jucato> that comes in powder form here... so you can control how diluted you want it to bee
[13:16] <seele> peach apple juice is good too.  the peach makes it a little thicker, but not as thick as the mango
[13:18] <Jucato> hm.. never had peach apple...
[13:18]  * Jucato wonders if he can find one somewhere
[13:58] <txwikinger> why doesn't vnc work in hardy anymore?
[14:17] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: I am ready for an upgrade test. Which is the best way to do that?
[14:18] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: upgrading from 7.10?
[14:18] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: yes
[14:19] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: see if you can follow these https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[14:19]  * Riddell decides on random oxygen artwork for beta http://kubuntu.org/index2.php
[14:20] <seele> hey.. those are my glasses!
[14:21] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: ok, will do
[14:22] <Jucato> seele: hahah! :)
[14:22] <Hobbsee> seele: you should take more care of them, then
[14:23] <seele> haha
[14:25] <Jucato> or make sure they stay out of Riddell's reach :)
[14:28] <onlinelli> Hi everyone, I'm trying to do the upgrade from gutsy to hardy - but I'm stuck at installing the linux-headers... can anyone please give me a hint on troubleshooting?
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: is the compiz configurator not on the kde4 CD?
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> onlinelli: #ubuntu+1
[14:29] <onlinelli> ok, thanks for pointing out
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: also, in the feedback section under support, that should be "#ubuntu+1" I think...
[14:36] <apachelogger> omg, I so don't feel like filing a FFe for gtk-qt-engine-kde4 -.-
[14:37] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: main or universe?
[14:37] <apachelogger> universe
[14:37] <Hobbsee> ScottK: can you co-approve it over irc please?
[14:38] <ScottK2> apachelogger: Go for it.  Please mark it down in a bug at least with the changelog.  Please make an upload that works.
[14:39] <apachelogger> ScottK2: k, thanks :)
[14:41] <\sh> Riddell: bug #55973 ... do you think it's ok to mark it "won't fix"? ,-) it's from 2006 :(
[14:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 55973 in arts "Patch for crash with message "can't create MCOP directory"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55973
[14:42] <ScottK2> \sh: I'm compiling a new kdebase right now that has a patch sent in 2006.  I wouldn't assume just based on age.
[14:43] <Riddell> \sh: yes
[14:43] <\sh> ScottK2: I wonder why mpg321 is mentioned now
[14:43] <ScottK2> Dunno. I didn't look at the bug, I just don't think age based assumptions area good plan.
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> seele: did you have time to look at that interface? I'd really like to know what you think of it before I spend any more time working on it :)
[14:44] <\sh> ScottK2: I was more thinking about "artsd is evil and we should forget about it"
[14:44] <ScottK2> But keep in mind I work on systems in my day job where we never ever mark a bug closed unless we can trace to a fix, so I may be biased.
[14:44] <ScottK2> Fair enough.  I think I also transposed won'tfix and invalid when I read it the first time.
[14:44] <seele> nosrednaekim: i did.. although it was hard to understand just one screen
[14:45] <seele> nosrednaekim: are you modeling it after an existing wizard or app?
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> seele: a bit, system-config-printer (the gtk one)
[14:46] <\sh> ScottK2: I think it's ok for this special bug, which is no.1 on my list, to know a good and easy workaround...so let us set it to "Won't fix" with a comment to the workaround
[14:46] <nosrednaekim> it has a pop up windows for queues, I have an embedded listview
[14:47] <seele> ok.. i'll have to look at that again, i forget what all it does
[14:48] <nosrednaekim> seele: when the "PSC1210" in the list view is selected, the "URI" automatically gets updated
[14:48] <ScottK2> \sh: Fair enough
[14:49] <\sh> ScottK2: ok..I'll deal with it when I'm home...
[15:17] <Tm_T> apachelogger: slap me when you're awaken, son
[15:31] <jpatrick> I think vorian needs help
[15:31] <vorian> duh
[15:31] <vorian> that was silly
[15:32] <jpatrick> now you've lost your cloak
[15:33] <vorian> :(
[15:33] <vorian> stupid keepnick
[15:33]  * jpatrick hugs vorian 
[15:33] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:33] <vorian> howdy howdy
[15:34] <nixternal> can you believe Chicago is under yet another winter weather advisory?
[15:34] <nixternal> wth, where is the spring already
[15:34] <vorian> yes, this winter sucks
[15:34] <jpatrick> nixternal: send some over, it's getting to hot here
[15:34] <nixternal> we are like 4' over our norm this year
[15:34]  * nixternal chucks a snowball at jpatrick 
[15:35] <vorian> where is that darn global warming they keep promising?
[15:35] <jjesse_> i blame global warming
[15:35] <vorian> doh!
[15:35]  * Jucato blames nixternal (as always)
[15:35] <nixternal> actually, tonight we are supposed to get wet and heavy snow..so that might be an iceball when I am done with it :p
[15:35] <jjesse_> :)
[15:35] <nixternal> vorian: hahahaha, my old man said the same thing
[15:35] <vorian> :)
[15:36] <nixternal> our yard is a sloppy mess from the previous melts plus the tremendous amount of rain we had
[15:36] <jjesse_> yay we are only supposed to get 1 to 2 inches of snow
[15:36] <jpatrick> not fair, cloudless sun here
[15:36] <nixternal> bah, 6 inches here
[15:36] <jpatrick> sky*
[15:36] <nixternal> haha
[15:36] <nixternal> cloudless sun
[15:36] <nixternal> Riddell: I fixed up your image and the Kubuntu upgrade page
[15:38] <jeroen-> beta update from gutsy went fine
[15:38] <Riddell> jeroen-: over the internet?
[15:39] <jjesse_> nixternal: nice job on the release notes for beta
[15:39] <Riddell> jeroen-: i386?
[15:39] <jeroen-> Riddell: yes
[15:39] <jeroen-> Riddell: yes
[15:39] <Riddell> jeroen-: excellent, many thanks
[15:39] <jeroen-> same as always
[15:39] <jeroen-> 2 minor things :-(
[15:39] <jeroen-> 1: after a while during the process clicking the mouse had no effect any more
[15:39] <jeroen-> had to use the keyboard
[15:40] <jeroen-> but can be a local issue
[15:40] <Riddell> that's very strange
[15:40] <jeroen-> 2: sudo on the command line doesn't work anymore after booting, it gives: sudo: unable to resolve host k-uptown
[15:40] <jeroen-> latter one is my hostname
[15:41] <Riddell> jeroen-: what does `hostname` report your host as?
[15:41] <jeroen-> so if someone has a solution for #2, that would be fine
[15:41] <jeroen-> Riddell: k-uptown
[15:42] <jeroen-> Riddell: and also kdesu doesn't work
[15:43] <jeroen-> mmm I'm a afraid this is not a minor issue
[15:43] <nixternal> Riddell: bug 32906
[15:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32906 in sudo "sudo shouldn’t ABSOLUTELY NEED to look up the host it’s running on" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32906
[15:44] <alleeHol> I've uploaded a gwenview to ppa: Fix crash with wrong EXIF info: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159522
[15:44] <ubotu> KDE bug 159522 in general "gwenview craches on images with incorrect exif info" [Normal,New]
[15:44] <alleeHol> should I add a bug report or is reminding after freeze enough?
[15:44] <jeroen-> fortunaly I have set my root password (if I remember)
[15:45] <nixternal> jeroen-: it seems either k-uptown is missing from either /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname (probably hosts since hostname returns your hostname)
[15:45] <Riddell> alleeHol: poke me tomorrow to upload is fine
[15:46] <alleeHol> Riddell: k, thx
[15:46] <nixternal> and it seems the only workaround at this time is to boot from a livecd to fix it
[15:46]  * nixternal wonders if there is a forums post with a true work around
[15:46] <nixternal> and it doesn't seem to attack everybody
[15:51] <\sh> nixternal: elaborate please? what is missing from /etc/host{s,name}?
[15:52] <jeroen-> nixternal: k-uptown is indeed not in my host file
[15:52] <jeroen-> nixternal: but or I didnt set a root password or I forgot
[15:53] <\sh> now I get it ;)
[15:53] <jeroen-> and now!?
[15:53] <\sh> jeroen-: rescue system...or init=/bin/bash or whatever it needs to get root shell ;)
[15:53] <jeroen-> \sh: yes that was where I was afraid of
[15:54] <jeroen-> I will be back
[15:55] <ScottK2> nixternal: I love the first comment in that bug, "…yeah, sudo, it’s all very clever until someone loses an eye!"
[15:56] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, are you as my "mentor" with evand  with my summer project, migration assistant (windows) or do we have someone else who are more close with this issue?
[15:57] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes, me and evand
[15:58] <Tm_T> Riddell: roger, can you send me an email saying "I am the mentor of this project", some proof is asked
[15:58] <Tm_T> jussi.kekkonen at gmail yadda
[15:58] <Tm_T> I got one from evand already
[15:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: 50/50 changes to get the job (I'll do this anyway though)
[15:59] <Tm_T> as in I'm already in final round
[16:03]  * apachelogger slaps Tm_T
[16:04] <Tm_T> apachelogger: arr, were you looking for kde3->kde4 migration solutions?
[16:04] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I guess so
[16:05] <Tm_T> roger, I'll be looking for that too I believe
[16:05] <Tm_T> not now but during summer if not earlier
[16:06] <jeroen-> nixternal / Riddell : that was indeed the solution
[16:06] <apachelogger> the thing is, we ship KDE 4 in hardy :P
[16:06] <jeroen-> I assume that will be fixed
[16:07] <Riddell> jeroen-: its very strange, can't think what would cause it
[16:08] <jeroen-> Riddell: my hostname was not in /etc/hosts
[16:08] <\sh> jeroen-: what was inside?
[16:08] <Riddell> jeroen-: right but it must have been before so something in the upgrade broke it
[16:08] <jeroen-> the hosts file?
[16:09] <jeroen-> Riddell: maybe I've deleted it
[16:09] <\sh> jeroen-: jepp
[16:09] <jeroen-> \sh: the usual stuff
[16:09] <jeroen-> with localhost, but not my hostname
[16:09] <jeroen-> Riddell: so maybe I removed it a long time ago, but sudo didn't check that
[16:09] <\sh> jeroen-: you need 127.0.0.1 localhost , 127.0.1.1 <hostname from dhcp or from other source.fqdn> <short hostname> and some ipv6 stuff
[16:10] <nixternal> jeroen-: glad that worked :)
[16:10] <nixternal> ScottK2: hahaha, I didn't even notice the first comment in there..that is a good one :)
[16:10] <jeroen-> \sh: I had 127.0.0.1 localhost ; some unneeded ipv6 stuff and some custom external hostnames
[16:11] <jeroen-> so I removed the ipv6 stuff and 127.0.0.1 k-uptown
[16:11] <jeroen-> added 127.0.0.1 k-uptown I mean
[16:11] <\sh> jeroen-: why? 127.0.0.1 is localhost <whatever you name it additionally>
[16:12] <\sh> jeroen-: and when sudo complains about k-uptown, it has something inside which checks against k-uptown..
[16:12] <\sh> jeroen-: please check /etc/sudoers too
[16:13] <jeroen-> \sh: oh wait I sgould use 127.0.1.1 for k-uptown, according another machine I admin
[16:13] <\sh> jeroen-: correct...but what's bugging me is sudo...when sudo asks about k-uptown, could it be you add a sudo rule which included a hostname?
[16:14] <Riddell> \sh: sudo always wants to know the hostname
[16:14] <Riddell> breaks it in chroots
[16:15] <jeroen-> \sh: not that I am aware off, I just do sudo ; and the /etc/sudoers does not include my name, but the %admin group - if I'n right I am a member of that group
[16:16] <jeroen-> yes I am
[16:16] <jeroen-> off course
[16:17] <jeroen-> Riddell: so a solution should be to check if /etc/hostname is also in /ewtc/hosts and if not add it
[16:19] <jeroen-> I also have two firewall now :-)
[16:19] <jeroen-> ufw and firestarter
[16:19] <jeroen-> mmmh
[16:19] <\sh> Riddell: yes...it wants A hostname, which needs to be the same in /etc/hosts for 127.0.1.1 and /etc/hostname (the short host without fqdn)
[16:20] <\sh> funpart is now to determine the bugger who is corrupting /etc/hosts ;)
[16:20] <jeroen-> \sh: that would be me :-)
[16:22] <jeroen-> another minor thing
[16:22] <jeroen-> gtkqt is not used when starting gtk-apps as root
[16:24] <ScottK2> \sh: Then there's Bug #8980 which may or may not relate.
[16:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8980 in netcfg "hostname -f does not return a proper FQDN" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8980
[16:28] <\sh> ScottK2: now it's getting interesting .)
[16:28] <\sh> ScottK2: I'm on wired ethernet, and get my hostname + ip from dhcp..
[16:28] <\sh> ScottK2: my /etc/hosts looks like: 127.0.0.1	localhost
[16:28] <\sh> 127.0.1.1	wz-pc-006.intern.netviewer.de	wz-pc-006
[16:29] <\sh> my /etc/hostname is the shorthostname (wz-pc-006) , hostname -f gives me the fqdn
[16:29] <\sh> I don't have any reference of the official ip of my NIC in /etc/hosts
[16:29] <ScottK2> I just get the short hostname with hostname -f
[16:30] <\sh> hardy?
[16:30] <ScottK2> Gutsy.
[16:30] <\sh> aha
[16:30] <comm_a_nder> same here
[16:30] <ScottK2> Let me check the Hardy one.
[16:30] <ScottK2> Hardy is the same.
[16:31] <\sh> ScottK2: what's written in /etc/hosts for you on gutsy (well, I can check it this evening)
[16:32] <\sh> ScottK2: hmmm...what could happen is, that the dhcp request didn't deliver the fqdn and something is adjusting /etc/hosts to the short name (happens with sloppy configured dhcpds)
[16:32] <ScottK2> \sh: 127.0.0.1       localhost and 127.0.1.1       KTS-D430, hostname -f returns  KTS-D430
[16:32] <\sh> which is the correct behaviour
[16:32]  * ScottK2 has also seen 8980 on boxen with static IP
[16:32] <\sh> you don't have a FQDN...just the short hostname
[16:33] <ScottK2> Right.
[16:33] <jeroen-> fyi: I have a static ip
[16:33] <\sh> what happens if you set 127.0.1.1 KTS-D430.testdomain.tld KTS-D430
[16:33]  * ScottK2 checks
[16:34] <ScottK2> That works - KTS-D430.testdomain.tld
[16:34] <\sh> correct
[16:34] <\sh> hostname works with the resolver lib :)
[16:34] <ScottK2> IIRC 8980 has to do with getting some odd /etc/hosts setups that aren't recognized.
[16:35] <\sh> if you set /etc/host.conf to order hosts,bind it checks hosts first, then configured nameserver for your fqdn
[16:35] <jeroen-> so what's good about qtcurve
[16:35] <jeroen-> has it some extra new features?
[16:36] <\sh> ScottK2: btw...today /etc/host.conf isn't used anymore, now we are using nsswitch.conf, and hosts entry says: hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
[16:37] <\sh> which means: check /etc/hosts, check mdns, check dns, check mdns complete
[16:37] <\sh> so I think it's more a problem of a system which is not setup correctly, or not getting correct infos from dhcp or dns or whatever...or manually tweaked files, as we did in the past when dns was cryptic and /etc/hosts was the only name -> ip resolver
[16:37] <ScottK2> You forgot the step in there where mdns pounds the root name servers for .local.
[16:38] <ScottK2> For the static IP boxes I've had trouble with that on, however it was configured was done by the installer.
[16:38]  * ScottK2 is not a big mdns fan.  Broken by design.
[16:40] <jeroen-> only bigger problem now, is that Hardy right now is just partly translated (Dutch). I also assume that will solve itself.
[16:41] <\sh> ScottK2: hmm..avahi us only for service browsing...reading the conf it doesn't do anything, then service mdns requests...
[16:41] <\sh> s/us/uses/
[16:42] <ScottK2> \sh: How does mdns find stuff?
[16:43] <ScottK2> \sh: Makes dns query for .local which other mdns implementations respond to.  Also goes to the local DNS resolver, which knows nothing about a .local TLD (since it doesn't exist), and it gets passed (evntually) to a DNS root server.
[16:44] <\sh> ScottK2: that's what multicast dns is for...I wonder if they are using real mcast stuff ;)
[16:45] <ScottK2> If they'd just put mdns on a different port, all would be well.  It's overload the DNS port that's the fundamental problem.
[16:45] <ScottK2> mdns is not really DNS.
[16:45] <\sh> well, you can use DNS nowadays as a service browser too ;)
[16:46] <\sh> at least, this is how jabber works nowadays to determine some ports for xmpp services
[16:46] <ScottK2> IIRC that's done with proper srv records and so doesn't have the same architectural problems that mdns has.
[16:47] <\sh> ScottK2: correct :)
[16:47] <\sh> ScottK2: and reading now http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAndUnicastDotLocal it's quite interessting ;)
[16:53] <neversfelde|mobi> mhh, Upgrade Gutsy => Hardy via adept failed, but that may be a problem of virtualbox
[16:54] <\sh> can vbox now run hardy without not booting the kernel? ;)
[16:54] <nixternal> Riddell: was wondering when you would email the list of settings :)
[17:04] <\sh> ScottK2: the best solution is to disable avahi completly ;)
[17:04] <ScottK2> Agreed.  I would really prefer we didn't install it by default.  It's just wrong.
[17:05] <\sh> ScottK2: well, I think we got already overruled :(
[17:05] <ScottK2> Yeah.
[17:06] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: what went wrong?
[17:06] <\sh> ScottK2: and I was surprised, when I saw in rhythmbox the last time, my music collection from my other desktop ;)
[17:06] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: a restart failed, I will do it a second time
[17:07] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: oh, that's not so bad then
[17:08] <neversfelde|mobi> but the upgrade is not really finished
[17:11] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: how did you try to restart?
[17:11] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: vbox freezed, I had to turn of the virtual machine
[17:12] <neversfelde|mobi> last message was "restarting"
[17:12] <\sh> apachelogger: is there a jamendo plugin planned?
[17:13] <apachelogger> \sh: for amarok?
[17:14] <\sh> apachelogger: sure...
[17:14] <apachelogger> \sh: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/514-Jamendo-downloads-now-working.html
[17:15] <\sh> apachelogger: hmmm..and where can I find the tab (kubuntu)?
[17:15] <\sh> apachelogger: I see magantune...but no jamendo
[17:17] <smarter> \sh: amarok2
[17:17] <\sh> grmpf
[17:17] <\sh> apt-get install amarok2
[17:17] <\sh> no package named amarok2
[17:17] <\sh> ,)
[17:18] <smarter> \sh: there's a secret PPA repository somewhere (:
[17:18] <comm_a_nder> in bielefeld?
[17:18] <smarter> but for gutsy only iirc
[17:19] <\sh> comm_a_nder: bielefeld or gütersloh...I'm not sure ;)
[17:19] <apachelogger> nah, someone also uploaded it to hardy :P
[17:19] <smarter> apachelogger: O RLY?
[17:19] <comm_a_nder> but instead of bielefeld gütersloh really exists *g*
[17:19] <smarter> great
[17:19] <smarter> apachelogger: but doesn't it needs Qt 4.4 now?
[17:20] <\sh> comm_a_nder: not really...it's mohn town ;)
[17:20] <apachelogger> yeah, but the package is only tp1
[17:20] <\sh> even the name tells us: haluzination
[17:21] <apachelogger> hm dapper->hardy didn't work all that well
[17:21]  * apachelogger is wondering why
[17:27] <apachelogger> oh
[17:27] <apachelogger> another cool thing, gutsy-updates made xen uninstallable
[17:28] <apachelogger> hm, even better, synaptic is just stupid -.-
[17:30] <smarter> apachelogger: uninstallable?
[17:30] <apachelogger> smarter: un-installable
[17:30] <apachelogger> woah, that word is strange :P
[17:31] <smarter> and what do you say when you can't uninstall something? (:
[17:31]  * apachelogger slaps virtualbox
[17:31] <apachelogger> ununinstallable
[17:31] <apachelogger> ok
[17:32] <apachelogger> my upgrade wasn't the most sucessful one
[17:32] <apachelogger> I guess vbox is responsible
[17:33] <apachelogger> blueyed: what is the background fix doing for gtk-qt?
[17:34] <blueyed> apachelogger: background fix?
[17:34] <blueyed> apachelogger: I'll have to change virtualbox.. has it installed the -386 kernel for you?
[17:35] <apachelogger> woah, there goes kwin
[17:35] <apachelogger> :S
[17:35] <apachelogger> blueyed: kubuntu_01_background_fix.diff
[17:35] <apachelogger> yes it installed -386
[17:36] <blueyed> apachelogger: that patch isn't from me.
[17:38] <blueyed> apachelogger: Seems to come from 0.60-1.1ubuntu1.. probably obsolete?
[17:38] <apachelogger> yes
[17:38]  * apachelogger nukes it
[17:50] <apachelogger> blueyed: if you want to give it a revu: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[17:59] <jussi01> apachelogger: svn hardy build of quassel in my ppa if you are interested
[18:00] <apachelogger> cool
[18:01] <jussi01> I used your /debian folder
[18:02]  * smarter_ has now more PPA than regular repository in his sources.list
[18:02] <smarter_> that'll probably explodes to my face someday
[18:02] <kristjan_> will this ugly bug make it into hardy? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/198362
[18:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198362 in kdebase-workspace "[KDE4] Upgrade to 4.0.2. -> Panel is not displayed properly" [Low,Confirmed]
[18:02] <apachelogger> kristjan_: we usually don't introduce bugs, we fix them :P
[18:03] <smarter_> we're in feature freeze, we can't add new features but new bugs are welcome :}
[18:03] <apachelogger> jussi01: interesting version number ;-)
[18:03] <kristjan_> rephrased: are you sure you will fix it before hardy release?
[18:03] <jussi01> apachelogger: was that incorrect?
[18:03] <apachelogger> kristjan_: no
[18:03] <apachelogger> kde will though
[18:03] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[18:04] <jeroen-> me doesn't like the colored scroll bars
[18:04] <kristjan_> it's really ugly bug :-(
[18:04] <apachelogger> IIRC that problem is caused by Qt 4.3
[18:04] <apachelogger> which means we can't do anything about it
[18:04] <apachelogger> especially since hacking on plasma will end in a big explosion with a possability of 90%
[18:04] <jeroen-> I didnt see a option to turn it off in qtcurve
[18:04] <jeroen-> so I moved bacj to polyester
[18:10] <apachelogger> jussi01: technically, yes, but better than breaking something :)
[18:11] <jussi01> apachelogger: hrmm, I didnt really adjust it, dch -i did ;)
[18:11] <apachelogger> fair enough
[18:11] <jjesse_> anyone following March Madness and the NCAA tournement?
[18:12] <jjesse_> i'm enjoying the ability to watch any game on cbs
[18:12]  * apachelogger wonders where jpatrick is
[18:13] <kristjan_> Riddell: can you please change the status of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/18451 to "no fix yet or something" [gutsy does adapt user theme, but this ability is gone after you choose to update 7.10]
[18:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18451 in kdebase "Administrator mode should adapt to QT theme" [Wishlist,Fix released]
[18:15] <kristjan_> (I guess changing it back to "confirmed" would be good choice)
[18:17] <apachelogger> uah
[18:17] <apachelogger> QT
[18:18] <Riddell> davmor2: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3338
[18:19] <Riddell> kristjan_: poke Tonio_ with that one
[18:20] <kristjan_> Tonio_: can you please change the status of bug18451 back to "confirmed" - the fix only works if you choose to not update gutsy
[18:23] <yuriy> happy hug day everyone! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080320/KDE
[18:29] <kristjan_> what happened to blue tentacles kdm screen, was it put aside for release candidate or it got removed permanently?
[18:30] <Riddell> kdm-kde4 needed changes on the live CD that'll be done after beta
[18:31] <yuriy> is the live cd using kdm-kde4 now? it was kdm-kde3 in alpha 6, right?
[18:31] <kristjan_> yuriy: still kde3 one
[18:33] <davmor2> Riddell: Nice and your still likely to get skinned alive subrub of Birmingham my arse ;)
[18:35] <gribelu> now that we have gtk-qt-engine-kde4 someone should invent qt3-qt4-engine-kde4
[18:36] <smarter> gt-qt4-engine is in the repo?
[18:36] <smarter> great
[18:39] <kristjan_> bespin style looks broken, or the menus are supposed to be black?
[18:43] <kristjan_> nevermind, it's supposed to be like this
[18:45] <Tonio_> kristjan_: kdesu/kesudo will no longuer use the user's theme since that requires to bind the root home to the user's
[18:46] <Tonio_> kristjan_: that's BAD since when you write file they are UID root and then the user cannot write on them
[18:46] <Tonio_> kristjan_: basically, what we have is what we want to have, there is no better option
[18:46] <kristjan_> Tonio_: why mark it "fix released" then? mark "invalid" or something
[18:46] <Tonio_> kristjan_: because is was fix released for some time
[18:47] <Tonio_> kristjan_: thn we saw the issue doing that way and there was another bug
[18:47] <Tonio_> so yes, the status changed, should now be won't fix
[18:47] <kristjan_> Tonio_: please do it then ;-)
[18:47] <Tonio_> kristjan_: just that we cannot remember of all bugs previously closed when we change something :)
[18:47] <Riddell> yuriy: that hug day page doesn't say what irc channel is used
[18:48] <kristjan_> Tonio_: one more question - how come ubuntu manages to integrate synaptic then?
[18:49] <Riddell> yuriy: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3340
[18:50] <Tonio_> kristjan_: afaik, gksudo doesn't use the user's home, it does the way we do, am I wrong on that point ?
[18:51] <Tonio_> kristjan_:
[18:51] <Tonio_> % gksudo env | grep HOME                                                                                                                                         [0.08 0.14 - 35% 3%]
[18:51] <Tonio_> HOME=/root
[18:51] <Tonio_> kristjan_: confirmed, it'll not use the user's profile, for the same reasons we don't
[18:52] <kristjan_> Tonio_: to avoid any confusion, I'm not hacker. I'm just here because that bug status does bother me.
[18:52] <Tonio_> kristjan_: sure
[18:52] <yuriy> Riddell: actually it does mention it, but generally the Ubuntu page doesn't so I haven't been putting it on there. maybe i should.
[18:52] <kristjan_> Tonio_: last time I played around in gnome, it did adapt my gtk style, but only the one that was installed system wide
[18:52] <Tonio_> kristjan_: to make it simple : ubuntu doesn't do any better with gnome than what we do with kde
[18:53] <Tonio_> kristjan_: I should test to confirm it does....
[18:53] <kristjan_> Tonio_: I could reboot and test it
[18:54] <Tonio_> kristjan_: afaics, as long as the home in use is /home, changing the user's prefs concerning the theme shouldn't work
[18:54] <Tonio_> kristjan_: please do :)
[18:54] <kristjan_> Tonio_: so don't disconnect yet
[18:54] <Tonio_> kristjan_: I have to go but you can ping me by email
[18:54] <Tonio_> I have a train to get.....
[18:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you say him I really had to go ? ;)
[18:54] <Riddell> ok
[18:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks
[18:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: please tell him I'll be there tomorrow all the day
[18:57] <Tonio_> contrib day ;)
[19:00] <kristjan_> did tonia_ say something?
[19:00] <kristjan_> I asked him not to leave
[19:00] <Riddell> 18:54 < Tonio_> I have a train to get.....
[19:00] <Riddell> 18:54 < Tonio_> Riddell: can you say him I really had to go ? ;)
[19:01] <kristjan_> Riddell: too bad, can I leave a message him?
[19:01] <Riddell> kristjan_: e-mail tonio@toniox.org
[19:02] <kristjan_> ok thanks
[19:10] <afiestas> Riddell what version I need use to test the bugs in the "hug day" ? I have an updated alpha6 because I don't found the beta images :/
[19:11] <Riddell> yuriy: ^^
[19:11] <Riddell> afiestas: updated alpha 6 should be fine
[19:12] <afiestas> ok :p
[19:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: so, website, what's the status?
[19:27] <_StefanS_> evening
[19:28] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey, what about that mail from Craig d. regarding qtcurve-gtk2? is it too late?
[19:29] <Riddell> _StefanS_: is he the qtcurve developer?
[19:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yup
[19:33] <Riddell> I think its too late for the gtk theme to be added
[19:33] <yuriy> afiestas: welcome :) feel free to ask me or others in #ubuntu-bugs if you have questions about triaging
[19:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok then
[19:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: too bad.
[19:34] <afiestas> yuriy ok, thanks, I'm just reinstalling the kubuntu alpha 6 in my other laptop  :)
[19:57] <jjesse> yay finally have vmware up and running in hardy now my machine is ready :)
[20:04] <dasKreech> :-)
[20:16] <jjesse> grumble why do i never remember what i need to set my ssh key for launchpad to?
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: I added IPP printer support to system-config-printer-kde.... is it too late to get it into hardy?
[20:17] <seele> huh.. that's interesting
[20:17] <seele> apparently there was a grad student who did a usability study on ubiquity last spring around the same time i did
[20:18] <seele> unfortunately he didnt put his results anywhere we would find them, but he did just send me his thesis
[20:19] <dasKreech> That's kinda random
[20:20] <dasKreech> Though I guess starting season if usability now would prompt that
[20:20] <seele> no.. he found my article in the UPA Voice and followed it to my open source work
[20:21] <dasKreech> ok
[20:22] <seele> it
[20:22] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: ooh, rocking
[20:22] <seele> it's people like that we want to catch with the SoU tho
[20:22] <seele> they are interested in usability and open source but havent put it together yet, usually because they dont know how or its really hard to get involved
[20:22] <seele> so the SoU introduces them to a project, they work with a developer and usability engineer and have something to show for it at the end
[20:23] <seele> and many times they create a relationship with the project and continue to contribute
[20:23] <Riddell> seele: curious
[20:24] <seele> Riddell: at least in theory.  we haven't *really* had too many stick around afterwards :-/
[20:24] <seele> who wouldn't want to work with all you lovely people?!
[20:25]  * Riddell looks coy
[20:25] <seele> lol
[20:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: do you have short moment? I'm building my final application
[20:28] <Riddell> Tm_T: ok
[20:29] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/tekstit/coss-app-en.txt
[20:31] <dasKreech> seele: Hooray. Kmymoney is using your template :)
[20:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: it's work in progress so good time for you to throw ideas and what you would love to see there
[20:32] <blueyed> "Charset" in kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/searchproviders desktop files is also deprecated, isn't it? (it's set to empty for all)
[20:33] <nosrednaekim> Tm_T: what org are you applying to?
[20:33] <dasKreech> now if we can convince the buggers to move to KDE4...
[20:33] <Tm_T> nosrednaekim: finnish org named COSS
[20:34] <seele> dasKreech: do you use KMyMoney?
[20:34] <dasKreech> Used
[20:34] <dasKreech> I'm running KDE4 Pure now
[20:34] <dasKreech> so not for a while
[20:34] <Tm_T> nosrednaekim: see www.coss.fi
[20:34] <dasKreech> I would like to use it again :)
[20:35]  * seele grumbles
[20:35] <seele> why does everyone think the iPhone has some great level of usability?
[20:35] <dasKreech> If it supported Flake stuff from koffice it could build charts from usage history which would be killer
[20:35] <dasKreech> seele: I'm sorry should I use it?
[20:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: "Ubuntu (GNOME) has migration tool, which will be a base for this project." that should be a bit stronger, its an extention to the same project to add KDE support, not a new project based on an old one
[20:35] <seele> dasKreech: i dunno.. i've never used it myself
[20:35] <Tm_T> Riddell: yes, true, should put weight on it
[20:35] <dasKreech> seele: They do? I thought it had novel usability which is quite different
[20:35] <dasKreech> seele: you'd scream
[20:36] <dasKreech> it's quite nice once you get used to it but it's a conundrum at the start
[20:36] <seele> dasKreech: it's the latest fad to cite the iPhone when talking about mobile technology usability
[20:36] <seele> probably makes nokia and nextel scream
[20:37] <Riddell> Tm_T: "backend and MS Windows side is mostly done" the KDE part of the backend isn't mostly done
[20:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: yup, true there, misworded once again :)
[20:37] <Tm_T> me brainfarting
[20:38] <Riddell> Tm_T: "Frontend will be based.." that paragraph should note that the frontend is part of ubiquity
[20:39] <Tm_T> heh :)
[20:39] <Tm_T> that's why I asked you to look it
[20:39] <Tm_T> always something I don't understand to say out clear
[20:40] <Riddell> Tm_T: "Information from Applicant" doesn't mention if you have any experience with pyqt or C
[20:40] <Riddell> Tm_T: pyKDE -> pyQt
[20:40] <Tm_T> true true
[20:41] <Tm_T> "Frontend will be done for Ubiquity Kubuntu installer, based to pyQt ..."
[20:42] <Tm_T> Riddell: F5 is your friend btw (I love kio)
[20:43] <Tm_T> ...though someone accidentally edited wrong file :--P
[20:43] <blueyed> Doesn't plasma use kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts? (web shortcuts). I've killed and restarted it even.
[20:45] <Riddell> blueyed: alt-f2 probably should
[20:45] <blueyed> Riddell: no, that's what I've meant. Konqueror does..
[20:46] <Riddell> blueyed: maybe it doesn't then
 A fresh installation of kubuntu alpha6: knetworkmanager can't connect to my hidden wpa2 essid (with dhcp) (paste from #ubuntu-bugs)
[20:48] <blueyed> Riddell: yes, it doesn't use the others, too. What a pity.
[21:01]  * seele wonders if she scared Riddell away from the printing discussion
[21:04] <blueyed> Riddell: you have to restart krunner, then it works.
[21:09] <Riddell> seele: no, just had a shower.  but I am pretty confused by the whole thing
[21:10] <seele> that's ok.  youre clean now, i'm sure it will make sense soon :P
[21:10] <seele> TZ doesn't help by interjecting his opinion on something unrelated either
[21:12] <Riddell> seele: who is actually involved with this?
[21:12] <seele> Riddell: design-wise it is Peter Sikking, whatever apprentice he's suckered in, me, and Jan Muehlig
[21:13] <seele> Riddell: Josef is involved in the coding end of it, Christian Tiberna used to be, but I think he handed it off to Josef
[21:13] <seele> Riddell: no one is involved on the gnome side, even after poking them a few times
[21:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: sorry, haven't worked on it in the past week or so, but I'll try to get it done tonight and mail it off to you to review
[21:14] <seele> and a whole slew of other people involved in technical stuff i dont understand
[21:14] <Riddell> ryanakca: done as in done?
[21:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: Other than the download page, yes
[21:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: did you want one like ubuntu.com, or like we currently have?
[21:20] <jeroen-> mysql will not start anymore after upgrade
[21:21] <jeroen-> does anyone know how to get a verbose output somewhere?
[21:21] <ryanakca> jeroen-: #ubuntu+1 please
[21:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: the download page should be like ubuntu has
[21:27] <Riddell> seele: possibly impolite questions. this printer stuff has been going on for two years and the design isn't done, what's taken so long?
[21:34]  * seele coughs
[22:37] <apachelogger> I need a revu
[22:43] <jeroen-> got strange kdesudo thing
[22:43] <jeroen-> seems like a subscription :-(
[22:44] <jeroen-> cannot open display:
[22:44] <jeroen-> No protocol specified
[22:45] <jeroen-> the first time it works
[22:45] <jeroen-> the second time it fails
[22:45] <jeroen-> seems familiar
[22:45] <jeroen-> again: only with non-root users
[22:45] <Riddell> kdesudo.  complain to tonio
[22:46] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: second Upgrade 7.10 > 8.04 via adept worked perfectly
[22:46] <jeroen-> tonioooo
[22:46] <neversfelde|mobi> there is a feedback page for that, isn t it
[22:46] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: awooga
[22:47] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/upgrade/all
[22:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have time to give http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-qt-engine-kde4 a revu?
[22:48] <neversfelde|mobi> :), shall I do another one?
[22:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: I could although it means I shouldn't then review it in New queue
[22:49] <apachelogger> yeah, I suspected that
[22:49]  * apachelogger points his sonic screwdriver @ blueyed's pc and makes it blink in sorts of colors
[22:54] <jeroen-> #204440
[22:54] <jeroen-> Bug #204440
[22:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204440 in kdesudo "[hardy]: kdesudo as non-root user works only once" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204440
[22:56] <neversfelde|mobi> is it necessary to test dapper > hardy upgrades?
[22:56] <jeroen-> neversfelde|mobi: I would say:yes
[22:57] <jeroen-> allthough it will only be on servers I assume
[22:57] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: preferable certainly.  and someone should document how its done for Kubuntu (installing update-manager then the normal ubuntu way)
[22:57] <emonkey> neversfelde|mobi, afaik there was a blog entry from \sh about that some time ago
[22:57] <emonkey> but he wrotes primarly about servers ...
[22:59] <neversfelde|mobi> ok, I will do some tests tomorrow, but does adept notice that it should upgrade to hardy and not to edgy?
[23:01] <neversfelde|mobi> anyway, its time to sleep. If I have questions I'll come back tomorrow
[23:01] <neversfelde|mobi> gn8
[23:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportGtkEnginesQtCurve, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-qtcurve/+bug/204443
[23:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204443 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve "gtk2-engines-qtcurve inclusion to the main repository" [Undecided,New]
[23:14] <nixternal> OK, I am going to need a "hacking" project for this semester
[23:15] <nixternal> this class project is similar to a GSOC, however I have to create it from the ground up and run it as a MIS solution
[23:16] <Riddell> _StefanS_: step 1 complete :)
[23:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yup, I'm writing tonio at the moment, I hope he can fix that in k-d-s, else I'm going to take it tomorrow night.
[23:32] <jjesse> nixternal: sounds like fun
[23:36] <_StefanS_> night
[23:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: still awake? Did you want the whole story or just a teaser on the News page?
[23:36] <ryanakca> Teaser I'm assuming?
[23:37] <Riddell> ryanakca: umm, dunno, I've never seen the news page
[23:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok. I'll set it to teaser for now (just a quick resume, like we have now), and if we want to display the whole article down the road we can easily do that :)
[23:47] <Riddell> seaLne: fancy seeding some torrents with your mega bandwidth?
[23:55] <awen_> Riddell: regarding bug 145337 ... what about having g-p-m spawn a helper app that listens for the HAL button events and issues the dcop commands? (alternative solution if the keycode 212 just wont work)
[23:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145337 in kdeutils "Brightness key stopped working after update [Gutsy]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145337
[23:57] <Riddell> awen_: hmm, cludgy
[23:58] <sahin_h> Has Kubuntu 8.04 beta released already? I would like to translate and publish the release note to Hungarian on http://ubuntu.hu
[23:59] <awen_> Riddell: furthermore it should work for more laptops, as not all uses the 101+212 keycodes
[23:59] <Riddell> seaLne: it's in the process of being released, notes are here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu