jameshmpt: if you haven't received the confirmation yet, then it isn't coming.00:15
jameshmpt: perhaps try registering the key again00:15
* mpt wonders what <https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros> should return00:42
mptA table of the number of open bug reports in each distribution? :-)00:42
mptA 404?00:42
Hobbseempt: thta might be good, yeah00:44
Hobbseeseems like bugs.lp just mirrors lp for that uRL00:45
Hobbseedamn.  why must it be thursday?00:50
mptI wish it was Tuesday00:55
Hobbseeyeah, tuesday would be nice.  i'd settle for wednesday, too00:56
mptHobbsee, did matsubara (or anyone) tell you that the xmlrpc.lp.internal bug has been fixed?00:56
mptoh, nm, poolie did00:57
mptbug 19916800:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 199168 in launchpad "New mailing list notification has wrong subscription url" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199168 - Assigned to Maris Fogels (mars)00:57
Hobbseempt: no, but thanks00:58
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mptkiko-zzz, if you're still awake, can you explain your comment in bug 203993?01:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 203993 in malone "Link bugs in ubuntu packages to the actual project" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20399301:05
mptAre those packaging links incorrect?01:06
kiko-zzzmpt, that package was never published in breezy01:06
mptok, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the bug01:06
mptThe report doesn't mention breezy.01:07
kiko-zzzI think he commented on an old bug at the same time, questioning this01:07
mptah yes01:07
mptI saw that01:07
mptso we really need a separate bug report covering this issue01:08
Hobbseeoh wow01:08
Hobbseeso, i wonder if there's a way now to get bugmail sent to a different address than the contact address01:08
* Hobbsee sighs01:09
Hobbseeyou have to confirm an email address first before you can remove it.  why?01:10
mptHobbsee, no you don't01:10
mptI removed an unconfirmed address yesterday01:10
mptbut the catch is01:10
mptyou can't do it by pressing Enter01:10
Hobbseempt: where from?  is this buypassing the 404?01:10
mptYou have to click "Remove" with a pointing device, or tab to the button01:10
Hobbseeoh, there we are.  an oops01:10
mptevil evil bug01:10
Hobbseei did01:10
jameshmpt: you can probably click enter after selecting the right button.01:10
HobbseeOOPS-810EA8 for attempting to use the confirm link by email, after trying to remove an address01:11
mptThat might be true in Gecko01:11
Hobbseeafter bypassing the 404 that no one cares enough to fix.01:11
mptIs it reported?01:11
jameshhitting enter on a non-submit form element either submits the first button or no buttons01:11
jameshcan't remember which01:11
Hobbseempt: months ago.01:12
* Hobbsee scratches head.01:12
mptjamesh, no buttons in IE and Netscape 4-and-earlier; first button in Mozilla and (iirc) Webkit01:13
mpt(I complained about the Mozilla behavior when it was implemented, because it crufted up URLs, but to no avail)01:13
Hobbseeso, on one page, the list email is used as the contact address, yet it says "don't subscribe" on +editemails.  then again, it appears that by that page, you could subscribe the lists.launchpad.net email to the lists.launchpad.net mailing list, as it's a confirmed address.01:14
mpt(they needed to fire "onclick" for the first submit button for IE compatibility, but didn't have the sophistication IE had to do that *without* adding the button to the URL)01:14
* Hobbsee shakes head, and hopes it sorts itself out into something sensible in the next 6 months, and that the 404 gets fixed.01:14
mptHobbsee, sorry, I don't understand any of that01:15
mptIs what you've just described part of the 404 issue, or is it a separate issue?01:15
Hobbseempt: if you bypass the 404 (type in manually what it's supposed to be), it'll then let you subscribe to a team list with any of the approved contact addresses, which includes the newly-generated list address.01:16
Hobbseei guess it's correct in saying that none of the team addresses are currently subscribed to the team mailing list, though.01:16
mptSo you can't subscribe to a mailing list without hacking the URL?01:16
mptThat doesn't sound right01:17
Hobbseeyou can't remove email addresses from teams without hacking the URL.01:17
Hobbsee(at all)01:17
mptTeams have e-mail addresses??01:17
Hobbseethe same thing is implemented in 2 places.01:17
Hobbseeyes, so it doesn't spam all members.01:17
Hobbseewell, close to the same.01:17
mptoh, right01:17
mptCan you point me to the bug reports about this?01:18
Hobbseempt: find a team that you're an admin of, play around with it, particularly the "change contact address" and "manage emails".01:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 174453 in launchpad "Manage Addresses on a team page is a 404" [Medium,In progress]  - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)01:18
Hobbseewas the 40401:18
Hobbseei haven't bothered filing the mailing list one, as i've only recently gotten the mailing list.01:19
Hobbseeand really, seeing one of the contact bugs fixed first (particularly as it's a fairly prominent 404) would be nice, before wasting time reporting anymore.01:19
mptwell, please do01:19
mptciting specific URLs and section headings01:19
* mpt goes for lunch and hopes Launchpad is faster when he returns01:20
HobbseeOOPS-810EA10 is what you get when you try to subscribe a launchpad list to itself.01:21
Hobbseempt: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/20410001:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 204100 in launchpad "It is possible to subscribe a mailing list to itself from +editemails" [Undecided,New] 01:25
ubotuNew bug: #204098 in launchpad "Should display project activity status to users" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20409801:31
ubotuNew bug: #204100 in launchpad "It is possible to subscribe a mailing list to itself from +editemails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20410001:36
Hobbseecrap.  why have i not done *any* uni work this morning?01:40
RAOFHobbsee: Because hanging around on IRC is much more rewarding.02:30
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ubotuNew bug: #204117 in launchpad "Project page features packaging links without hinting that they're changeable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20411703:05
ubotuNew bug: #204119 in launchpad "Non-existent distribution series source package shouldn't have upstream links" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20411903:11
ubotuNew bug: #204121 in launchpad "Redundant (and Delete-less) "Upstream links" pages for a source package in every distribution series" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20412103:36
jetsaredimis  there a way to clone a bug?03:42
Odd_Blokejetsaredim: Why?03:51
jetsaredimif I was filing a couple bugs against the same component with similar details03:52
Odd_BlokeI don't think there is, I'm afraid.04:04
ubotuNew bug: #172392 in launchpad-bazaar "interrupting a client waiting for a lock over bzr+ssh leaves process on server" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17239204:36
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HobbseeRAOF: yeah, well.08:09
ubotuNew bug: #204180 in blueprint "Incorrect functioning of Information request button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20418009:55
YokoZarIs there a way I can send out a mass email to a team other than making a bug and subscribing them to it?10:18
FujitsuYokoZar: No.10:43
Fujitsu(other than assigning a blueprint to them, but that's even worse)10:44
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FujitsuSo, timlinux, what was your question?12:09
timlinuxHi. Can anyone help to explain the logic behind this? : Rejected:12:10
timlinuxlibopenmodeller_0.5.3-pre2.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 0.5.3-pre2 <= openmodeller-0.5.2-112:10
timlinuxjust the _ vs - ?12:10
Fujitsuopenmodeller is greater than
timlinuxya I was uploading 0.5.3 and it was rejected12:11
FujitsuThe previous version was libopenmodeller_openmodeller-0.5.2-1, wasn't it?12:11
FujitsuRight, so that behaviour is correct.12:11
timlinuxdput timlinux-ppa libopenmodeller_0.5.3-pre2_source.changes12:11
timlinuxthat's what I did12:11
FujitsuIt's what you did earlier that is the problem.12:11
timlinuxis it because its _0.5.3 instead of 0-.5.3 ?12:12
Fujitsu_ is just the separator between package name and version.12:12
FujitsuIf you look on https://edge.launchpad.net/~timlinux/+archive, you'll see the current version of libopenmodeller is in deed openmodeller-0.5.2-1. I presume you intended 0.5.2-1.12:12
Fujitsus/in /in/12:13
timlinuxIm still not 'getting it'12:13
FujitsuAlphabetical characters are greater than digits.12:13
timlinuxI thought - created a separator12:14
timlinuxfrom the version no12:14
Fujitsu- is a separator within the version number.12:15
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timlinuxFujitsu: what Id ideally like to do is put two versions of my package online - and have one tagged stable and one experimental12:29
timlinuxhow do I go about doing that?12:29
ubotuNew bug: #204226 in shipit "typos in Kubuntu and Edubuntu shipit pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20422612:30
Fujitsutimlinux: Not easily. You'd really need a second PPA.12:31
FujitsuOr you could rename one of the packages.12:31
timlinuxFujitsu: to be honest I didn't really understand you above but someone came to the door in the middle of it too which didn't help12:31
tbfhmm: https://launchpad.net/~openismus-team/+archive says gnome-lirc-properties - 0.2.5rc2-0ubuntu1~ppa112:31
timlinux"If you look on https://edge.launchpad.net/~timlinux/+archive, you'll see the current version of libopenmodeller is in deed openmodeller-0.5.2-1. I presume you intended 0.5.2-1."12:32
tbfbut http://ppa.launchpad.net/openismus-team/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages only lists 0.2.5.rc1-0ubuntu1~ppa112:32
timlinuxthat part I didn't understand12:32
tbfguess i am just inpatient?12:32
tbfah, yes: the timestamps suggest that the pools is updated every 20 mins12:33
Fujitsutbf: Every 20 minutes, correct.12:33
Fujitsutimlinux: Your last successful upload of libopenmodeller had a very strange version number.12:33
timlinuxFujitsu: how do you suggest to number?12:34
timlinuxI was intending 0.5.2 version12:34
timlinuxand package version 112:34
Fujitsutimlinux: Why was there the openmodeller bit in there, though?12:34
FujitsuThe versioning is otherwise not too bad.12:35
timlinuxhow do I get openmodeller to be separate from version no?12:35
FujitsuDon't put it in the changelog.12:35
FujitsuWhat did you want openmoddeler to be there for?12:35
timlinuxah I see looking at the other packages in my ppa they don't have that repeated package name in the package no12:36
timlinuxFujitsu: I didnt (Im a packaging noob)12:36
FujitsuYou'd be best of deleting it, waiting the requisite 24 or so hours, and being more careful with versioning in future.12:36
FujitsuOnly in PPA can you delete things to revert versions.12:36
* timlinux goes to look at the changelog to see what he did wrong12:37
timlinuxFujitsu: ok so if I understand this correctly, when I made the 0.5.2 package I must have done dch -v openmodeller-0.5.2-1 instead of dch -v 0.5.2-1 ?12:38
Fujitsutimlinux: Or modified it in the changelog later, yes.12:39
timlinuxand there is no problem with me creating two ppa's?12:41
FujitsuUnfortunately it is designed such that each user can only have one.12:42
FujitsuI disagree with this strongly, but the Launchpad must have had their reasons.12:42
FujitsuThe recommended solution is to create a team.12:42
FujitsuWhich seems like an utter hack.12:42
timlinuxsomething else I'd like to know is if there is a way to get my packages into mainstream ubuntu repos12:43
timlinuxe.g. at the moment the QGIS package in ubuntu is quite old12:44
FujitsuI think that was on my merge list, actually.12:44
FujitsuBut I never got around to it :(12:44
FujitsuDebian ignored a patch I sent them, which caused some problems, IIRC.12:45
timlinuxI was hoping to do like : upload to my PPA, wait a little to make sure there are no issues and then try to get it into mainstream ubuntu12:45
* timlinux is also wishing gdal 1.5 could make it into heron12:46
FujitsuDebian has 0.9.1. We'll get that fairly soon after Hardy is released.12:46
timlinuxFujitsu: ok great12:46
FujitsuWe're well past FeatureFreeze, so gdal is very, very unlikely to be upgraded.12:47
* Fujitsu heads off to bed.12:47
timlinuxFujitsu: many thanks for your help12:48
Fujitsutimlinux: No problem.12:49
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cgreganGreetings - I am looking for a way to design and manage a testing process in Launchpad. I thought Blueprints were a good way to track project requirements, but I am not sure how to map that to a testcase that would then pass or fail resulting in a defect ticket. All of this would need to be tracked back to the requirement/blueprint. Is this possible?13:23
kikocgregan, well, blueprints are in general larger pieces of work13:24
kikocgregan, defect tickets sound more like bugs to me13:24
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cgregankiko: correct...bugs13:25
kikocgregan, are you looking to store itemized requirements (i.e. requirement 1, etc)?13:26
cgregankiko: I will give you an example13:26
cgregankiko: Say I have a requirement for a mobile device to support JPEG encoding.....I enter that somewhere under the project name13:27
cgregankiko: then I write three test cases to exercise that requirement13:27
cgregankiko: one case fails, and I enter a bug. That bug would need to track back to the original requirement to ensure that all requirements were tested and passed at the end of the project.13:28
kikocgregan, you can do all that with launchpad, sure13:28
kikoI'd probably model the requirement as a blueprint, have the test cases inside the document, and link bugs to the blueprint as they are filed.13:28
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\shhmm...is it somehow possible to filter bugs from other distros != ubuntu by default? (e.g. from related bugs on your personal bug lp page)14:38
Hobbsee\sh: yes, but you have to use bugs.lp.net/ubuntu/ then use an advanced search.14:38
Hobbseethat's been implemented since a few months after uds sevilla14:38
timlinuxis there any stats facility for PPA's? It would be really great to know how many people have downloaded packages from my PPA14:38
Hobbseetimlinux: not currently.14:39
\shHobbsee: well, I would like to set a default somehow..but I see, that this is not possible right now 14:39
Hobbsee\sh: bookmarks work well.14:39
\shHobbsee: yeah.14:39
timlinuxIs there currently an issue with PPA's? I get this : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12762363/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.qgis_0.9.1-2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz when trying to upload my package15:33
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cprovs/upload/build/ I suppose.15:35
cprovtimlinux: retry the build, the primary ubuntu archive was being modified by the time your build was trying to access it.15:36
cprovtimlinux: let me know if the problem persists.15:36
ubotuNew bug: #204310 in launchpad "bug comments are not numbered" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20431015:56
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Head2how can i mark a bug as a duplicate of another bug?16:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 165063 in kdebase "Logout crash in Kubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,Triaged]  - Assigned to Kubuntu Team (kubuntu-team)16:32
timlinuxcprov: ok thanks16:34
cprovtimlinux: np16:35
timlinuxcprov when I try to resubmit I get : [cpp] dput qgis-ppa qgis_0.9.1-2_source.changes Already uploaded to ppa.launchpad.net Doing nothing for qgis_0.9.1-2_source.changes16:45
cprovtimlinux: you don't need to re-upload the source. You can simply retry the build.16:49
cprovtimlinux: let me guide you, what's your ppa url ?16:49
timlinuxcprov: sorry Im a noob - now I deleted the source because I thought  It was blocking16:50
timlinuxthe rebuild16:50
cprovtimlinux: uhm, it will require you to bumb the source version, in order to be faster ...16:51
timlinuxah bump?16:51
timlinuxok will do that16:51
cprovtimlinux: shh, sorry, bump ... dumb fingers here :)16:53
timlinuxcprov: don't worry I got issued with the same kinda fingers :-)16:54
cprovtimlinux: ping if the new source fails to build, okay ?16:55
timlinuxcprov: many thanks will do16:55
timlinuxI need to go out for a bit so will try a bit later16:56
timlinuxI added this channel to my gaim autojoin list16:56
timlinuxso Ill be back :-)16:56
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cprovtimlinux: sure, send a email to lp-users if I'm not here.16:56
timlinuxcprov: ok many thanks16:56
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ubotuNew bug: #204344 in launchpad-bazaar "OOPS merging an already merged proposal branch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20434417:36
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matsubara** Launchpad development meeting in #launchpad-meeting. **18:00
ubotuNew bug: #204355 in malone "UnicodeDecodeError decoding email header" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20435518:16
ubotuNew bug: #204356 in launchpad "Make it possible to pass an extra view_name argument to tales url formatter from within templates" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20435618:16
* tbf just realizes how the 20 minutes schedule is harmful for the build farm...18:22
tbf...for minutes the build farm is idle... just to get hammered by new uploads every 20 minutes18:22
tbfmaybe the interval should be reduced to avoid that large bulks of work...18:23
tbf...and for convenience of the service's users?18:23
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Rinchenmtg date change18:46
ilyaromanenkohi all! as i understand default users of translation can only propose suggestion not approve it?19:01
tbfweird: why are there idle build hosts, when the matching build request queue is not empty?19:20
andrea-bstbf: non-virtual machine can't be used for PPAs19:23
nandI heard of a new beta mailing list system in LP...19:25
nandI was wondering if I could have access to it19:25
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ubotuNew bug: #204424 in launchpad ""Working on" section shows the generic task of cojoined bug tasks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20442421:45
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