[00:15] <jamesh> mpt: if you haven't received the confirmation yet, then it isn't coming.
[00:15] <jamesh> mpt: perhaps try registering the key again
[00:42]  * mpt wonders what <https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros> should return
[00:42] <mpt> A table of the number of open bug reports in each distribution? :-)
[00:42] <mpt> A 404?
[00:44] <Hobbsee> mpt: thta might be good, yeah
[00:45] <Hobbsee> seems like bugs.lp just mirrors lp for that uRL
[00:45] <mpt> yeah
[00:50] <Hobbsee> damn.  why must it be thursday?
[00:55] <mpt> I wish it was Tuesday
[00:56] <Hobbsee> yeah, tuesday would be nice.  i'd settle for wednesday, too
[00:56] <mpt> Hobbsee, did matsubara (or anyone) tell you that the xmlrpc.lp.internal bug has been fixed?
[00:57] <mpt> oh, nm, poolie did
[00:57] <mpt> bug 199168
[00:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199168 in launchpad "New mailing list notification has wrong subscription url" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199168 - Assigned to Maris Fogels (mars)
[00:58] <Hobbsee> mpt: no, but thanks
[01:05] <mpt> kiko-zzz, if you're still awake, can you explain your comment in bug 203993?
[01:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203993 in malone "Link bugs in ubuntu packages to the actual project" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203993
[01:06] <mpt> Are those packaging links incorrect?
[01:06] <kiko-zzz> mpt, that package was never published in breezy
[01:06] <mpt> ok, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the bug
[01:07] <mpt> The report doesn't mention breezy.
[01:07] <kiko-zzz> I think he commented on an old bug at the same time, questioning this
[01:07] <mpt> ah yes
[01:07] <mpt> I saw that
[01:08] <mpt> so we really need a separate bug report covering this issue
[01:08] <Hobbsee> oh wow
[01:08] <Hobbsee> so, i wonder if there's a way now to get bugmail sent to a different address than the contact address
[01:09]  * Hobbsee sighs
[01:10] <Hobbsee> you have to confirm an email address first before you can remove it.  why?
[01:10] <mpt> Hobbsee, no you don't
[01:10] <mpt> I removed an unconfirmed address yesterday
[01:10] <mpt> but the catch is
[01:10] <mpt> you can't do it by pressing Enter
[01:10] <Hobbsee> mpt: where from?  is this buypassing the 404?
[01:10] <mpt> You have to click "Remove" with a pointing device, or tab to the button
[01:10] <Hobbsee> oh, there we are.  an oops
[01:10] <mpt> evil evil bug
[01:10] <Hobbsee> i did
[01:10] <jamesh> mpt: you can probably click enter after selecting the right button.
[01:11] <Hobbsee> OOPS-810EA8 for attempting to use the confirm link by email, after trying to remove an address
[01:11] <mpt> That might be true in Gecko
[01:11] <Hobbsee> after bypassing the 404 that no one cares enough to fix.
[01:11] <mpt> Is it reported?
[01:11] <jamesh> hitting enter on a non-submit form element either submits the first button or no buttons
[01:11] <jamesh> can't remember which
[01:12] <Hobbsee> mpt: months ago.
[01:12]  * Hobbsee scratches head.
[01:13] <mpt> jamesh, no buttons in IE and Netscape 4-and-earlier; first button in Mozilla and (iirc) Webkit
[01:13] <mpt> (I complained about the Mozilla behavior when it was implemented, because it crufted up URLs, but to no avail)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> so, on one page, the list email is used as the contact address, yet it says "don't subscribe" on +editemails.  then again, it appears that by that page, you could subscribe the lists.launchpad.net email to the lists.launchpad.net mailing list, as it's a confirmed address.
[01:14] <mpt> (they needed to fire "onclick" for the first submit button for IE compatibility, but didn't have the sophistication IE had to do that *without* adding the button to the URL)
[01:14]  * Hobbsee shakes head, and hopes it sorts itself out into something sensible in the next 6 months, and that the 404 gets fixed.
[01:15] <mpt> Hobbsee, sorry, I don't understand any of that
[01:15] <mpt> Is what you've just described part of the 404 issue, or is it a separate issue?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> mpt: if you bypass the 404 (type in manually what it's supposed to be), it'll then let you subscribe to a team list with any of the approved contact addresses, which includes the newly-generated list address.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> i guess it's correct in saying that none of the team addresses are currently subscribed to the team mailing list, though.
[01:16] <mpt> So you can't subscribe to a mailing list without hacking the URL?
[01:17] <mpt> That doesn't sound right
[01:17] <Hobbsee> you can't remove email addresses from teams without hacking the URL.
[01:17] <Hobbsee> (at all)
[01:17] <mpt> Teams have e-mail addresses??
[01:17] <Hobbsee> the same thing is implemented in 2 places.
[01:17] <Hobbsee> yes, so it doesn't spam all members.
[01:17] <Hobbsee> well, close to the same.
[01:17] <mpt> oh, right
[01:18] <mpt> Can you point me to the bug reports about this?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> mpt: find a team that you're an admin of, play around with it, particularly the "change contact address" and "manage emails".
[01:18] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/174453
[01:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174453 in launchpad "Manage Addresses on a team page is a 404" [Medium,In progress]  - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[01:18] <Hobbsee> was the 404
[01:19] <Hobbsee> i haven't bothered filing the mailing list one, as i've only recently gotten the mailing list.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> and really, seeing one of the contact bugs fixed first (particularly as it's a fairly prominent 404) would be nice, before wasting time reporting anymore.
[01:19] <mpt> well, please do
[01:19] <mpt> citing specific URLs and section headings
[01:20]  * mpt goes for lunch and hopes Launchpad is faster when he returns
[01:21] <Hobbsee> OOPS-810EA10 is what you get when you try to subscribe a launchpad list to itself.
[01:25] <Hobbsee> mpt: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/204100
[01:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204100 in launchpad "It is possible to subscribe a mailing list to itself from +editemails" [Undecided,New] 
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #204098 in launchpad "Should display project activity status to users" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204098
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #204100 in launchpad "It is possible to subscribe a mailing list to itself from +editemails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204100
[01:39] <mpt> thanks
[01:40] <Hobbsee> crap.  why have i not done *any* uni work this morning?
[02:30] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Because hanging around on IRC is much more rewarding.
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #204117 in launchpad "Project page features packaging links without hinting that they're changeable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204117
[03:11] <ubotu> New bug: #204119 in launchpad "Non-existent distribution series source package shouldn't have upstream links" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204119
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #204121 in launchpad "Redundant (and Delete-less) "Upstream links" pages for a source package in every distribution series" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204121
[03:42] <jetsaredim> is  there a way to clone a bug?
[03:51] <Odd_Bloke> jetsaredim: Why?
[03:52] <jetsaredim> if I was filing a couple bugs against the same component with similar details
[04:04] <Odd_Bloke> I don't think there is, I'm afraid.
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #172392 in launchpad-bazaar "interrupting a client waiting for a lock over bzr+ssh leaves process on server" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172392
[08:09] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yeah, well.
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #204180 in blueprint "Incorrect functioning of Information request button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204180
[10:18] <YokoZar> Is there a way I can send out a mass email to a team other than making a bug and subscribing them to it?
[10:43] <Fujitsu> YokoZar: No.
[10:44] <Fujitsu> (other than assigning a blueprint to them, but that's even worse)
[12:09] <Fujitsu> So, timlinux, what was your question?
[12:10] <timlinux> Hi. Can anyone help to explain the logic behind this? : Rejected:
[12:10] <timlinux> libopenmodeller_0.5.3-pre2.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 0.5.3-pre2 <= openmodeller-0.5.2-1
[12:10] <timlinux> just the _ vs - ?
[12:10] <Fujitsu> openmodeller is greater than 0.5.3.
[12:11] <timlinux> ya I was uploading 0.5.3 and it was rejected
[12:11] <Fujitsu> The previous version was libopenmodeller_openmodeller-0.5.2-1, wasn't it?
[12:11] <timlinux> ya
[12:11] <Fujitsu> Right, so that behaviour is correct.
[12:11] <timlinux> dput timlinux-ppa libopenmodeller_0.5.3-pre2_source.changes
[12:11] <timlinux> that's what I did
[12:11] <Fujitsu> It's what you did earlier that is the problem.
[12:12] <timlinux> is it because its _0.5.3 instead of 0-.5.3 ?
[12:12] <timlinux> oh?
[12:12] <Fujitsu> _ is just the separator between package name and version.
[12:12] <Fujitsu> If you look on https://edge.launchpad.net/~timlinux/+archive, you'll see the current version of libopenmodeller is in deed openmodeller-0.5.2-1. I presume you intended 0.5.2-1.
[12:13] <Fujitsu> s/in /in/
[12:13] <timlinux> yes
[12:13] <timlinux> Im still not 'getting it'
[12:13] <Fujitsu> Alphabetical characters are greater than digits.
[12:14] <timlinux> I thought - created a separator
[12:14] <timlinux> from the version no
[12:15] <Fujitsu> - is a separator within the version number.
[12:29] <timlinux> Fujitsu: what Id ideally like to do is put two versions of my package online - and have one tagged stable and one experimental
[12:29] <timlinux> how do I go about doing that?
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #204226 in shipit "typos in Kubuntu and Edubuntu shipit pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204226
[12:31] <Fujitsu> timlinux: Not easily. You'd really need a second PPA.
[12:31] <Fujitsu> Or you could rename one of the packages.
[12:31] <timlinux> Fujitsu: to be honest I didn't really understand you above but someone came to the door in the middle of it too which didn't help
[12:31] <tbf> hmm: https://launchpad.net/~openismus-team/+archive says gnome-lirc-properties - 0.2.5rc2-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[12:32] <timlinux> "If you look on https://edge.launchpad.net/~timlinux/+archive, you'll see the current version of libopenmodeller is in deed openmodeller-0.5.2-1. I presume you intended 0.5.2-1."
[12:32] <tbf> but http://ppa.launchpad.net/openismus-team/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages only lists 0.2.5.rc1-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[12:32] <timlinux> that part I didn't understand
[12:32] <tbf> guess i am just inpatient?
[12:33] <tbf> ah, yes: the timestamps suggest that the pools is updated every 20 mins
[12:33] <tbf> (http://ppa.launchpad.net/openismus-team/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gnome-lirc-properties/)
[12:33] <Fujitsu> tbf: Every 20 minutes, correct.
[12:33] <Fujitsu> timlinux: Your last successful upload of libopenmodeller had a very strange version number.
[12:34] <timlinux> Fujitsu: how do you suggest to number?
[12:34] <timlinux> I was intending 0.5.2 version
[12:34] <timlinux> and package version 1
[12:34] <Fujitsu> timlinux: Why was there the openmodeller bit in there, though?
[12:35] <Fujitsu> The versioning is otherwise not too bad.
[12:35] <timlinux> oh
[12:35] <timlinux> how do I get openmodeller to be separate from version no?
[12:35] <Fujitsu> Don't put it in the changelog.
[12:35] <Fujitsu> What did you want openmoddeler to be there for?
[12:36] <timlinux> ah I see looking at the other packages in my ppa they don't have that repeated package name in the package no
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Correct.
[12:36] <timlinux> Fujitsu: I didnt (Im a packaging noob)
[12:36] <Fujitsu> You'd be best of deleting it, waiting the requisite 24 or so hours, and being more careful with versioning in future.
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Only in PPA can you delete things to revert versions.
[12:37]  * timlinux goes to look at the changelog to see what he did wrong
[12:37] <timlinux> brb
[12:38] <timlinux> Fujitsu: ok so if I understand this correctly, when I made the 0.5.2 package I must have done dch -v openmodeller-0.5.2-1 instead of dch -v 0.5.2-1 ?
[12:39] <Fujitsu> timlinux: Or modified it in the changelog later, yes.
[12:41] <timlinux> ok
[12:41] <timlinux> and there is no problem with me creating two ppa's?
[12:42] <Fujitsu> Unfortunately it is designed such that each user can only have one.
[12:42] <timlinux> ah
[12:42] <Fujitsu> I disagree with this strongly, but the Launchpad must have had their reasons.
[12:42] <Fujitsu> The recommended solution is to create a team.
[12:42] <Fujitsu> Which seems like an utter hack.
[12:43] <timlinux> hehe
[12:43] <timlinux> something else I'd like to know is if there is a way to get my packages into mainstream ubuntu repos
[12:44] <timlinux> e.g. at the moment the QGIS package in ubuntu is quite old
[12:44] <Fujitsu> I think that was on my merge list, actually.
[12:44] <Fujitsu> But I never got around to it :(
[12:45] <Fujitsu> Debian ignored a patch I sent them, which caused some problems, IIRC.
[12:45] <timlinux> I was hoping to do like : upload to my PPA, wait a little to make sure there are no issues and then try to get it into mainstream ubuntu
[12:45] <timlinux> ah
[12:46]  * timlinux is also wishing gdal 1.5 could make it into heron
[12:46] <Fujitsu> Debian has 0.9.1. We'll get that fairly soon after Hardy is released.
[12:46] <timlinux> Fujitsu: ok great
[12:47] <Fujitsu> We're well past FeatureFreeze, so gdal is very, very unlikely to be upgraded.
[12:47]  * Fujitsu heads off to bed.
[12:47] <timlinux> ah
[12:48] <timlinux> Fujitsu: many thanks for your help
[12:49] <Fujitsu> timlinux: No problem.
[13:23] <cgregan> Greetings - I am looking for a way to design and manage a testing process in Launchpad. I thought Blueprints were a good way to track project requirements, but I am not sure how to map that to a testcase that would then pass or fail resulting in a defect ticket. All of this would need to be tracked back to the requirement/blueprint. Is this possible?
[13:24] <kiko> cgregan, well, blueprints are in general larger pieces of work
[13:24] <kiko> cgregan, defect tickets sound more like bugs to me
[13:25] <cgregan> kiko: correct...bugs
[13:26] <kiko> cgregan, are you looking to store itemized requirements (i.e. requirement 1, etc)?
[13:26] <cgregan> kiko: I will give you an example
[13:27] <cgregan> kiko: Say I have a requirement for a mobile device to support JPEG encoding.....I enter that somewhere under the project name
[13:27] <cgregan> kiko: then I write three test cases to exercise that requirement
[13:28] <cgregan> kiko: one case fails, and I enter a bug. That bug would need to track back to the original requirement to ensure that all requirements were tested and passed at the end of the project.
[13:28] <kiko> cgregan, you can do all that with launchpad, sure
[13:28] <cgregan> Excellent!
[13:28] <kiko> I'd probably model the requirement as a blueprint, have the test cases inside the document, and link bugs to the blueprint as they are filed.
[14:38] <\sh> hmm...is it somehow possible to filter bugs from other distros != ubuntu by default? (e.g. from related bugs on your personal bug lp page)
[14:38] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes, but you have to use bugs.lp.net/ubuntu/ then use an advanced search.
[14:38] <Hobbsee> that's been implemented since a few months after uds sevilla
[14:38] <timlinux> is there any stats facility for PPA's? It would be really great to know how many people have downloaded packages from my PPA
[14:39] <Hobbsee> timlinux: not currently.
[14:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: well, I would like to set a default somehow..but I see, that this is not possible right now 
[14:39] <Hobbsee> \sh: bookmarks work well.
[14:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: yeah.
[15:33] <timlinux> Is there currently an issue with PPA's? I get this : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12762363/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.qgis_0.9.1-2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz when trying to upload my package
[15:35] <cprov> s/upload/build/ I suppose.
[15:36] <cprov> timlinux: retry the build, the primary ubuntu archive was being modified by the time your build was trying to access it.
[15:36] <cprov> timlinux: let me know if the problem persists.
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #204310 in launchpad "bug comments are not numbered" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204310
[16:31] <Head2> hi
[16:32] <Head2> how can i mark a bug as a duplicate of another bug?
[16:32] <Head2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/165063
[16:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 165063 in kdebase "Logout crash in Kubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,Triaged]  - Assigned to Kubuntu Team (kubuntu-team)
[16:34] <timlinux> cprov: ok thanks
[16:35] <cprov> timlinux: np
[16:45] <timlinux> cprov when I try to resubmit I get : [cpp] dput qgis-ppa qgis_0.9.1-2_source.changes Already uploaded to ppa.launchpad.net Doing nothing for qgis_0.9.1-2_source.changes
[16:49] <cprov> timlinux: you don't need to re-upload the source. You can simply retry the build.
[16:49] <cprov> timlinux: let me guide you, what's your ppa url ?
[16:50] <timlinux> cprov: sorry Im a noob - now I deleted the source because I thought  It was blocking
[16:50] <timlinux> the rebuild
[16:51] <timlinux> https://launchpad.net/~qgis
[16:51] <cprov> timlinux: uhm, it will require you to bumb the source version, in order to be faster ...
[16:51] <timlinux> bumb??
[16:51] <timlinux> ah bump?
[16:51] <timlinux> ok will do that
[16:53] <cprov> timlinux: shh, sorry, bump ... dumb fingers here :)
[16:54] <timlinux> cprov: don't worry I got issued with the same kinda fingers :-)
[16:55] <cprov> timlinux: ping if the new source fails to build, okay ?
[16:55] <timlinux> cprov: many thanks will do
[16:56] <timlinux> I need to go out for a bit so will try a bit later
[16:56] <timlinux> I added this channel to my gaim autojoin list
[16:56] <timlinux> so Ill be back :-)
[16:56] <cprov> timlinux: sure, send a email to lp-users if I'm not here.
[16:56] <timlinux> cprov: ok many thanks
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #204344 in launchpad-bazaar "OOPS merging an already merged proposal branch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204344
[18:00] <matsubara> ** Launchpad development meeting in #launchpad-meeting. **
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #204355 in malone "UnicodeDecodeError decoding email header" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204355
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #204356 in launchpad "Make it possible to pass an extra view_name argument to tales url formatter from within templates" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204356
[18:22]  * tbf just realizes how the 20 minutes schedule is harmful for the build farm...
[18:22] <tbf> ...for minutes the build farm is idle... just to get hammered by new uploads every 20 minutes
[18:23] <tbf> maybe the interval should be reduced to avoid that large bulks of work...
[18:23] <tbf> ...and for convenience of the service's users?
[18:46] <Rinchen> mtg date change
[19:01] <ilyaromanenko> hi all! as i understand default users of translation can only propose suggestion not approve it?
[19:20] <tbf> weird: why are there idle build hosts, when the matching build request queue is not empty?
[19:23] <andrea-bs> tbf: non-virtual machine can't be used for PPAs
[19:24] <nand> hi!
[19:25] <nand> I heard of a new beta mailing list system in LP...
[19:25] <nand> I was wondering if I could have access to it
[21:45] <ubotu> New bug: #204424 in launchpad ""Working on" section shows the generic task of cojoined bug tasks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204424