[00:10] <jepeltw> has anyone found that installing ubuntu-restricted-extras does not enable MP3 playback, or is there an additional step required?
[00:10] <Dr_willis_> jepeltw,   some programs may need addational libs/files
[00:11] <HowardTheDuck> Hardy isn't going to ship with the VLC version mentioned here, is it?:http://torrentfreak.com/vlc-player-vulnerable-remote-hijack-080318/#comment-314759
[00:12] <HowardTheDuck> according to that link, the remote hijack issue still exists
[00:12] <HowardTheDuck> sorry, proper link: http://torrentfreak.com/vlc-player-vulnerable-remote-hijack-080318/
[00:13] <HowardTheDuck> link 2 advisory http://secunia.com/advisories/28233/
[00:13] <Dr_willis_> If its considered a security updates. ubuntu tends to  update  when thats the issue.
[00:14] <HowardTheDuck> Dr_willis, even so close to final?
[00:16] <HowardTheDuck> "Initially it was reported that the flaws in version 0.8.6d were fixed in the latest release, but this turns out not to be the case. Auriemma writes: “The old buffer-overflow in the subtitles handled by VLC has not been fully patched in version 0.8.6e.”" so the problem still exists in both gutsy and hardy?
[00:20] <hmuller> Does debuild have problems signing where an openpgp smartcard is used to store secret keys, or is their a configuration step I am missing?
[00:25] <Dr_willis_> HowardTheDuck,  ages ago thee was a big firefox 'bug' that  caused some grief. Ubuntu patched the older firefox,  so it dident have the bug. :) but all these web sites still thought ya had the older version with the bug. so reported you as still having the bug.
[00:25] <Dr_willis_> HowardTheDuck,  i dont see that vlc explot as being a huge deal.  I  imagine  it will get fixed rather quickly
[00:26] <carwash> Anyone here have the nvidia-driver working acceptably with fullscreen flash and general 2D?
[00:27] <HowardTheDuck> Dr_willis, thanks, I trust the ubuntu developers, believe me, but I wasn't sure how these things are addressed so late in the game. Thanks!
[00:27] <hmuller> carwash: define fullscreen flash
[00:28] <carwash> hmuller, fullscreen youtube videos. I get watchable framerates with the VESA driver, but something that looks like 3-4 fps with nvidia.
[00:28] <Dr_willis_> HowardTheDuck,   i would not be suprised if the release gets delayed.. id rather them delay it then rush the thing.
[00:28] <HowardTheDuck> Dr_willis, I hope not!
[00:28] <hmuller> carwash:  The nvidia driver works well for me, but I haven't tried youtubing full screen, I get 3000fps with glxgears
[00:29] <carwash> I get ~10 000 fps with glxgears, but all 2d-operations make xorg eat cpu. (scrolling, flash video, resizing windows etc.)
[00:30] <carwash> I would use the vesa driver if only i could get suspend/resume to work with it.
[00:31] <hmuller> carwash:  vesafb doesn't work for me, I'm trying to get uvesafb to work (amd64), gimme a minute or two and I'll test youtube full screen
[00:31] <carwash> hmuller, what card do you have?
[00:31] <h3sp4wn> I don't really have issues with the nvidia driver - I can run ut2004 60 fps on 1920x1200
[00:31] <hmuller> carwash: nvidia 8400M GS
[00:34] <hmuller> carwash:  scratch the test, I seem to be having problems with flashplugin-nonfree.  It installed, but FF3 doesn't recognize it as such.
[00:35] <jester7> anybody have hardy running with an ati x1250 graphics card?
[00:36] <carwash_> sorry,. the b43-drivers aren't exactly very stable... :/
[00:37] <h3sp4wn> Things don't happen that quickly if there is no specs
[00:38] <J-_> woo, just made my first script with a notification. First script ever, and in Hardy. =D
[00:38] <J-_> Thought I'd share.
[00:39] <Jordan_U> For some reason I am getting flickering with openGL applications when compiz is on, even when they are full screen ( and therefore should not be redirected )
[00:41] <locomo> for me opengl apps fail to go fullscreen if compiz on
[00:42] <RAOF> Jordan_U: I suppose you really _do_ have unredirect-fullscreen-windows on? :)
[00:42] <Jordan_U> RAOF, Yes
[00:42]  * RAOF is therefore out of comments.
[00:46] <mcquaid> anyone know if the beta release is on schedule for tomorrow?
[00:46] <Ahmuck> any idea when kubuntu hardy beta is out ?
[00:47] <hmuller> carwash:  I got flash working, now how do you identify the fps in fullscreen mode?
[00:47] <Stroganoff> mcquaid: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[00:47] <carwash_> hmuller, well, i count :P it's so slow i can see it paint each frame
[00:47] <Stroganoff> oops sorry mcquaid
[00:48] <Ahmuck> kewl, thx
[00:48] <Ahmuck> looks like tomorrow or tonight
[00:48] <Stroganoff> kde4 wont be much better until then, Ahmuck ;)
[00:48] <hmuller> carwash:  it seems normal to me at high quality, sound is good but an artifact every now and then in the video
[00:51] <carwash_> hmuller, what card do you have?
[00:51] <hmuller> carwash: 8400M GS  (Inspiron 1420 w/core2duo)
[00:52] <hmuller> carwash: it's understood we're talking nvidia cards
[00:52] <Ahmuck> Stroganoff: until the beta?
[00:52] <Stroganoff> or even the final
[00:53] <Ahmuck> is is kde4 slated for hardy, or a dual option install?
[00:53] <carwash_> hmuller, yes, i was just curious if you had an 8-series card or not
[00:54] <hmuller> carwash: pretty happy with it.  bad news is there is no splash lovin for the adventurous amd64ers
[00:56] <mcquaid> i have a friend who i setup with the last alpha and told him to wait for the next beta release before upgrading again.
[00:57] <mcquaid> if it's released tomorrow, and say he only gets to updating 3 days from now, well he doesn't really have the beta, he has the beta +2 days of any newer releases
[00:58] <mcquaid> is there a way to ensure updating to a release that might not be necessarily release day?  the only way I can think of is grab an alt cd and use it only has a repository
[00:58] <mcquaid> but i was curious if there was a apt-get way.
[00:58] <Lord_VaMpyro> i want to download beta release
[00:58] <Lord_VaMpyro> isn't it again out
[00:59] <mcquaid> probably not.  maybe they should have that though.  a separate during devel. that only has snapshots of releases and not day to day additions
[00:59] <mcquaid> a separate repository...
[01:01] <Jordan_U> mcquaid, I think the only thing unique about any of the development 'releases' is that there are no known huge problems with the installer. in which case there is no reason to stick with the beta after install ( or at all when upgrading )
[01:01] <mcquaid> but they do usually list known issues with each release, not just the installer
[01:01] <locomo> did you tried to erase dvd+rws with brasero? it seems it formatting them instead of erasing
[01:02] <Jordan_U> mcquaid, What's your point?
[01:02] <mcquaid> for ex. alpha 4 has the note about instability using the new gvfs. whereas alpha5 did not
[01:02] <lufis> does hardy have an smp kernel?
[01:02] <locomo> you=anybody
[01:03] <Flannel> locomo: Most people do.
[01:03] <Flannel> er, lufis
[01:03] <mcquaid> and each release has the note about some issues with some rom drives.  but for ex if the beta release notes tomorrow dropped that notice, I would assume it's a corrected issue
[01:03] <lufis> what do you mean?
[01:04] <Flannel> lufis: Oh.  Sorry.  Yes, Hardy has a SMP kernel, just like all Ubuntu versions.
[01:04] <lufis> Where is it?
[01:04] <Flannel> lufis: -generic
[01:04] <RAOF> lufis: The default one.
[01:04] <Jordan_U> mcquaid, Yes, but that was true about anything < Alpha 4 also, and will not ( hopefully ) be true of anything > Alpha 5
[01:04] <lufis> okay, could have said that...
[01:04] <Flannel> lufis: You didn't ask that.
[01:05] <Jordan_U> mcquaid, If you are trying to avoid bugs, documented or not, you should not be using any version of Hardy but the final
[01:05] <lufis> I asked if it had an smp kernel, because i wasn't aware it has since been merged in with the default
[01:05] <Jordan_U> mcquaid, And not having the most recent updates means you may be reporting old bugs
[01:06] <Jordan_U> mcquaid, old fixed bugs that is
[01:06] <Flannel> old, potentially fixed, bugs
[01:06] <mcquaid> Jordan_U,  for me anything < al5 was a showstopper with the warning about gvfs so once al5 was released I came on board
[01:07] <Prometheus> is the beta still coming out tomorrow.
[01:07] <carwash__> My b43-driver is acting up on me. Is this actually working for anyone? Has anyone tried suspend the the iwl4965?
[01:07] <locomo> i will wait for gamma
[01:07] <mcquaid> I see your point about bugs though
[01:10] <locomo> fedora 9 beta laso 20th
[01:10] <locomo> also
[01:10] <Prometheus> I thought they were going later
[01:12]  * Jordan_U wonders if his XO will be upgraded to fedora 8 automatically when it comes out
[01:12] <Jordan_U> probably won't
[01:13] <Prometheus> hmmmm... what to test first, ubuntu or fedora
[01:13] <fangorious> is there no libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 for hardy?
[01:13] <Jordan_U> Is there a command that I can use to determine the current window manager?
[01:13] <fangorious> i need it for juniper vpn
[01:17] <fangorious> launchpad seems to think there is (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2/1:2.95.4-24) but I can't find it in apt with all the restricted/universe/multiverse repos enabled
[01:17] <carwash_> Has anyone tried suspending with the iwl4965-driver?
[01:20] <aldarsior> is there a sample sources.list for hardy?
[01:20] <tsukasa__> hey i downloaded the wubi heron alpha 6 and did a full apt-get upgrade and it wont boot, complains about the filesystem being readonly
[01:20] <Amaranth> fangorious: are you using amd64?
[01:20] <fangorious> Amaranth: no
[01:21] <tsukasa__> i dont think its actually mounting the loop filesystem correctly
[01:21] <Flannel> aldarsior: Just use update manager to upgrade
[01:21] <aldarsior> huh
[01:22] <Amaranth> fangorious: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gcc-2.95/libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2_2.95.4-24_i386.deb
[01:22] <Amaranth> dunno why it isn't showing up
[01:23] <fangorious> guess I'll post in the hard forum
[01:30] <snerfu> I was looking at the hardy heron release schedule on the wiki. It says the first beta release is supposed to be tomorrow but there is an exclamation point next to it, does that mean it will be delayed a bit?
[01:31] <Flannel> snerfu: No, those are just decoration
[01:32] <snerfu> ah
[01:33] <tsukasa__> anyone?
[01:34] <Jordan_U> tsukasa__, Anyone what?
[01:35] <tsukasa__> Jordan_U, i installed heron alpha 6 via wubi, first thing i did was a full apt-get update/upgrade, rebooted and it complains about read only filesystem
[01:35] <tsukasa__> Jordan_U, i think the loopmounted filesystem isnt working somehow
[01:36] <tsukasa__> Jordan_U, this is amd64 if that matters
[01:36] <Adlai> anyone know what I should be using instead of xmonad-rebuild in hardy?
[01:37] <tsukasa__> Jordan_U, i also redid the installation and the apt-get upgrade again, produced the same error
[01:37] <Adlai> there's a note of its removal in launchpad referring to an 'upstream solution', but I can't find any information on such a thing
[01:38] <Jordan_U> tsukasa__, Have you filed a bug report? ( make sure to mention that it is reproducible and how to reproduce it )
[01:38] <tsukasa__> Jordan_U, not yet, i wanted to check and see if this was known first
[01:38] <tsukasa__> Jordan_U, ill do that right now
[01:38] <tsukasa__> Jordan_U, where should i file at?
[01:39] <Jordan_U> !bugs | tsukasa__
[01:39] <ubotu> tsukasa__: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[01:42] <awen_> anybody here using hardy with iptables + NAT? ... have used it before; but seems to be broken now
[01:46] <awen_> nm... packet-manager just messed with my sysctl.conf
[01:50] <pen> hi, how can I fix my power button acpi event? Before I upgrade to hardy power button actually works, now it's not responding
[01:51] <locomo> what you have selected in power applet?
[01:52] <richard__> hardy heron beta fever! :D
[01:53] <pen> in power applet I select ask me
[01:54] <locomo> mm try to change maybe?
[01:54] <pen> you mean change it and change it back will work?
[01:54] <locomo> yeah, or another action
[01:54] <pen> ok
[01:55] <locomo> i dont know if it will work btw :/
[01:55] <pen> btw
[01:55] <pen> have you tried looking glass?
[01:55] <pen> lg3d
[01:55] <pen> it's written in java
[01:56] <locomo> no
[01:57] <Dr_willis> thats somthing i havent heard mentionedin ages.. :)
[01:57] <pen> :)
[01:58] <pen> Then it must be obsolete
[01:58] <pen> lol
[01:58] <Dr_willis> it always was
[01:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:12] <tsukasa__> is the beta being released in 2 hours? midnight rather
[02:13] <tsukasa__> or is it some random time tomorrow
[02:13] <locomo> dude midnight was 7 hours ago lol
[02:14] <ScottK2> It's released when the release managers are satisfied it's done.
[02:34] <abarbaccia> i found a bug which has been confirmed on launchpad in the lirc package. An upgrade to a more recent version of SVN is required to fix it. How can I help this get implemented?
[02:35] <abarbaccia> it also exists in gutsy which is why I want to help becuase it was overlooked for taht release as well.
[02:42] <Stroganoff> abarbaccia, write an email to the maintainer of the package
[02:45] <Stroganoff> or to the guy commited to the bug, abarbaccia
[02:45] <Stroganoff> DO IT ******
[02:46] <locomo> abarbaccia, i have seen somewhere in ubuntu wiki how to make a bug fix requiest after development freeze
[02:46] <abarbaccia> Stroganoff: how do i find the package maintainer
[02:46] <abarbaccia> it's not a terribly difficult fix, i don't think. but without it the package is pretty much useless
[02:47] <Stroganoff> packages.ubuntu.com, abarbaccia
[02:47] <abarbaccia> great. ill let ya know what i fine
[02:47] <abarbaccia> find
[02:48] <RAOF> abarbaccia: Really, you want to comment on the bug.
[02:48] <RAOF> abarbaccia: For added bonus points, attach a patch to the bug which fixes it.
[02:48] <RAOF> abarbaccia: For _super_ bonus points, attach a debdiff against the current package :)
[02:48] <Stroganoff> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[02:48] <abarbaccia> i commented on the bug and showed how i fixed it
[02:49] <abarbaccia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/182530
[02:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182530 in lirc "lirc_serial loads but does not work (Gutsy 7.10 + Hardy 8.04)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:49] <abarbaccia> its not just lirc serial anymore either - its almost (i didnt test everything) all lirc transmitters and a few receivers
[02:49] <abarbaccia> they are all fixed in the latest SVN
[02:49] <locomo> well i dont know what is freezed in hardy and what not, maybe this bug will be fixed with normal process
[02:50] <abarbaccia> i would rebuild the package with the latest source but i don't know how in a good way
[02:50] <abarbaccia> when i tried -- err, well, we won't go there
[02:50] <abarbaccia> i should really learn though
[02:50] <abarbaccia> so the package maintainers are listed as core developers + 5 others
[02:52] <abarbaccia> so should i email them?
[02:54] <Jordan_U> Is there a way to detect the currently running VM from a script?
[02:55] <abarbaccia> so the maintainers all have debian email addresses - should i file to debian?
[02:56] <ScottK2> abarbaccia: No.
[02:56] <RAOF> abarbaccia: No.  The correct way to contact the developers is by a launchpad bug.
[02:56] <ScottK2> abarbaccia: Listen to what RAOF is telling you.  He's an Ubuntu developer.
[02:58] <RAOF> abarbaccia: Sometimes, bugs on LP get neglected, or seem to get neglected.  This generally indicates that either people are busy, or they haven't seen that it can be easily fixed, or no one who is confident of fixing it has seen it, or...
[02:59] <RAOF> abarbaccia: Generally, the bug should get looked at, _sometime_.  It's reasonably easy to make it more likely, by attaching a patch, or doing the packaging work required to fix it, etc.
[03:03] <abarbaccia> alright i just got a response from it by Mario. He was looking for a specific patch because a full recompile is time consuming but i don't know where to find that or how to provide that to him...
[03:05] <LibertyShadow> Is anyone else experiencing a 404 on the default Firefox 3 b4 homepage? The ubuntu partner page?
[03:05] <abarbaccia> alright everyone - work very early. see ya
[03:06] <abarbaccia> thanks for the recommendations and help
[03:10] <odla> where are the new icons for update-notifier located?  i am trying to find them and all i can see are the old ones
[03:15] <Seb> how is the gutsy->hardy dist-upgrade on i386 these days ?
[03:16] <RAOF> Seb: Should be reasonable.  Why don't you test it and file bugs? :)
[03:16] <Seb> i'm rea
[03:16] <Seb> oopswell
[03:17] <Seb> just read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886 ands that looks bad ;)
[03:17] <Seb> but i'm asking because i'm about t odo it *remotely* for a friend
[03:17] <LibertyShadow> Seb, I did a fresh install.  After some tweakage it runs fabulously.
[03:17] <Seb> so if it doesn't come abck up i'm toast
[03:17] <Seb> LibertyShadow: no can do fresh install here, though
[03:17] <Seb> dist-upgrade is the only option at hand
[03:18] <LibertyShadow> Seb: backup backup backup
[03:18] <Seb> if it 1) manages to boot the new kernel and start sshd, and 2) doesn't fail catastrophically with a libc problem or something, i'm good to go
[03:18] <Seb> i can fix anything through ssh
[03:18] <Seb> but that link in the topic is scaring me right now
[03:19] <LibertyShadow> I had a libc segmentation fault.
[03:19] <RAOF> Seb: A remote install is not _really_ the best idea :)
[03:19] <Seb> hrm it seems to be fixed
[03:19] <LibertyShadow> It was not pleasant.
[03:19] <RAOF> Seb: Do you have any local access to the box?
[03:19] <Seb> RAOF: it's a remote *upgrade*, to be precise :>
[03:20] <Seb> RAOF: nah, it's on another continent
[03:20] <Seb> RAOF: and my friend ain't quite the command-line type heh
[03:20] <RAOF> I would therefore suggest "no" is a good answer.
[03:20] <lamalex> Is ther a pulse audio configuration app? Firefox will only play sound out of laptop speakers, instead of through discrete sound card like the rest of the system
[03:21] <LibertyShadow> Seb, if its on another continent... well I have to agree with RAOF
[03:21] <Seb> ok
[03:21] <Seb> main reason i want to upgrade him is because of an alsa problem
[03:22] <Seb> is there any way to get a newer alsa on gutsy ?
[03:24] <RAOF> Seb: You could get the hardy alsa-source package, and build it using module-assistant.
[03:25] <Seb> ok
[03:25] <Seb> RAOF: i'll try that
[03:26] <RAOF> Seb: It's not guaranteed to build, but it should.  And if it *does* build, it should work.
[03:42] <Galga> hi
[03:42] <Galga> so when is beta expected ?
[03:50] <lungten> hi everyone, is hardy beta out yet?
[03:56] <LibertyShadow> lungten, I am watching http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/ like a hawk
[03:57] <Galga> LibertyShadow: hmm nice link :)
[03:57] <lungten> there's a download link in hardy beta wiki: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04
[03:57] <lungten> but its dead.
[03:58] <LibertyShadow> Keep an eye on torrent sites as well.
[03:59] <LibertyShadow> of course, "March 20" is relative to what time zone?
[03:59] <lungten> i think its GMT.
[04:00] <Galga> hey, how do you fix that font thing for most of apps ? my font are quite small, specifically in firefox
[04:00] <LibertyShadow> try changing the font size / rendering
[04:01] <LibertyShadow> and in firefox you can use Ctrl + mouse wheel to change text sizes
[04:01] <Galga> LibertyShadow: thanks
[04:01] <Galga> LibertyShadow: that rendering thing goes with appearence right ?
[04:01] <LibertyShadow> Font size /rendering is in System>Preferences>Appearance
[04:02] <LibertyShadow> btw
[04:02] <LibertyShadow> Yes.
[04:02] <LibertyShadow> XD
[04:02] <Galga> thanks
[04:11] <Galga> well i must say i m really enjoying 8.04. its quite stable even unexpected shutdowns (power failures) don't come in way to smooth restart
[04:12] <lungten> Galga, did you get the beta?
[04:12] <Galga> nop
[04:12] <Galga> alpha 6
[04:12] <lungten> oh!
[04:13] <RAOF> Not that there'll be any difference between the beta and a fully updated system, of course.
[04:13] <lungten> yes. that's roght.
[04:14] <lungten> right, RAOF.
[04:14] <Galga> is there any feature like undo-disk changes expected in newer version of ubuntu
[04:14] <Flannel> Galga: not in Hardy, but in future versions, probably.
[04:15] <Galga> just like firefox offering restore previous session i am sure the restore session for OS will increase stability
[04:16] <LibertyShadow> Does OSX have that? Time machine?
[04:16] <LibertyShadow> I read about it, but never actually seen it.
[04:17] <Stroganoff> yes it does
[04:18] <Stroganoff> Galga: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474973
[04:19] <Galga> thanks
[04:19] <LibertyShadow> Another wine update
[04:20] <LibertyShadow> The wine project amazes me.
[04:21] <Stroganoff> its dazzling win(e)
[04:21] <LibertyShadow> Wine Is Not (and) Emulator
[04:21] <LibertyShadow> XD
[04:21] <LibertyShadow> (an)*
[04:23] <DanaG> Oh hey, new info on my hard lockups:
[04:23] <DanaG> It happens in Windows, too.
[04:24] <DanaG> (Running HL2 under Vista).
[04:24] <Splex> HD lockups?
[04:24] <DanaG> Hard lockups where not even my BIOS-level "toggle LEDs" hotkey will work.
[04:25] <Splex> when does it lockup?
[04:26] <DanaG> Randomly, but only when using 3D functionality (even something as basic as the rss-glx Flux screensaver).
[04:26] <DanaG> Argh, PulseAudio doesn't like remembering where I put audio streams.
[04:31] <DanaG> I sure don't want to live alone.
[04:38] <Galga> when i try to mount another partition, message says you are not authorize. i added my account in authorization to mount unmount partitions
[04:40] <Galga> am i missing some steps ?
[05:23] <Jordan_U> Is hardy going to have any utilities that take advantage of pulseaudio's features like per-application volume control installed by default? Without them it seems kind of pointless to use pulseaudio by default, all it does is break audacity :)
[05:23] <DanaG> PulseAudio also still doesn't very well remember where I put streams.
[05:38] <iskin> I'm running 8.04 and when I try to use effects I loose the window border. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[05:38] <loa> hello, why hardy say me that my computer failed to hibernate, when i resume?
[05:38] <loa> :D
[05:39] <Jordan_U> loa, File a bug report ( my guess would be something like it takes longer than expected to hybernate so it gives that warning *before* you hybernate and you only see it after )
[05:40] <loa> oh)
[05:40] <loa> thank you.
[05:40] <Jordan_U> loa, You should still file a bug report :)
[05:41] <Jordan_U> And that was still nothing more than a guess :)
[05:45] <Galga> exit
[06:00] <ethana2> Updates liking us all about now?
[06:00]  * ethana2 runs updates
[06:06]  * DanaG wonders how readable 1920x1200 at 15" is.
[06:06] <Amaranth> DanaG: buy a microscope
[06:07] <DanaG> Pondering for future, actually.
[06:12] <ethana2> The eye is pretty high res
[06:13] <ethana2> if you have a screen with a higher resolution at a given distance than your eyes
[06:13] <ethana2> you have a perfect window into wherever you please
[06:13] <ethana2> resolution independence on the desktop is important though
[06:13] <ethana2> to not lose any usability while doing that kind of thing
[06:14] <ethana2> Man, I can just imagine Halo in WINE at some 4MP res
[06:15] <ethana2> sniping would be awesome fun
[06:15] <ethana2> It'll be sweet when WINE uses a gallium shim for directX instead of glsl
[06:15] <ethana2> i'll bet we can outperform windows by a solid 15% ^_^
[06:16] <DanaG> I want OpenAL emulation, myself.
[06:16] <DanaG> Like the "Host OpenAL" thingy by Creative, but hopefully less broken EAX, if possible.
[06:16] <DanaG> At the very least, I wish that Host OpenAL thingy would work under Wine.
[06:17] <ethana2> yeah
[06:18] <DanaG> Gaack, all my kanji-filename files are missing on my ntfs volume.
[06:20] <DanaG> Skipping unrepresentable filename (inode 31417): Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character
[06:24] <DanaG> Aah, apparently calling mount with -o overrides, rather than appends to, fstab options.
[06:25] <DanaG> Here's a bug in QuodLibet: information thingy doesn't track song changes.
[06:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, how so?
[06:29] <DanaG> Try going to "Info" on one song, and then skip to the next song.  There's no way to make it follow the change.
[06:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> like ... ctrl + i?
[06:31] <DanaG> Yeah, but you have to do that for each new song, and then close the old one, and then click to the "Lyrics" tab, for example, on the new one.
[06:31] <DanaG> And you can't use it with the main window in the background.
[06:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> um..
[06:32] <Galga> is there anyway to disable this keystroke repeat bug ? i have disabled keystroke repeating option in preferences>keyboard>settings but even then its happening from time to time
[06:32] <DanaG> Galga: bug 194214
[06:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194214
[06:32] <Galga> doing ALTGR+SysReq+E goes to blackscreen
[06:32] <DanaG> K is less destructive.
[06:32] <DanaG> It kills just X.
[06:33] <DanaG> Oh, and a temporary workaround is to go back to xserver-xorg-core 1.4 (current is 1.4.1-something)
[06:34] <Galga> ok thanks
[06:35] <Galga> brb
[06:42] <DanaG> That was odd: I got a hard X lockup with QuodLibet still playing the song it was on.
[06:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> will the beta be out on time?
[06:50] <bazhang> how to disable the kde wallet in Hardy? set one up for knetwork manager and promptly forgot the password
[06:50] <jscinoz> is it just me or is sun-java6-plugin broken?
[06:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jscinoz, how broken?
[06:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jscinoz, 64bit?
[06:52] <jscinoz> 32bit
[06:52] <jscinoz> install through synaptic or the firefox apt frontend, restart firefox, acts as if java not installed
[06:52] <jscinoz> tried gcjwebplugin, same thing
[06:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> there's the xcb bug (as always), but other thing should be fine
[06:53] <jscinoz> hmm
[06:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> how about other java program
[06:53] <bazhang> this is the kde4 iteration of Hardy btw
[06:53] <jscinoz> tutuxg, i've tried gcj and sun-java6 i'll give sun-java5 a try, one moment
[06:54] <jscinoz> aside from this java issue, hardy is leaps and bounds better than gutsy :D
[06:54] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jscinoz, if other java program could run, it's mostly like ur java-plugin is not installed correctly
[06:55] <jscinoz> hmm
[06:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> do u have the java bittorren client? the az.... stuff
[06:56] <jscinoz> yep it works
[06:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i never remember its name...
[06:56] <jscinoz> and its using sun-java6
[06:56] <jscinoz> its just the firefox plugin i cant get going
[06:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jscinoz, i sec let me find a command
[06:56] <bazhang> must only be gnome users hereabouts
[06:57] <jscinoz> sorry bazhang :(
[06:57] <Lynoure> bazhang: missed your question, or something...
[06:57] <bazhang> no worries jscinoz ;]
[06:57] <bazhang> Lynoure: my saviour!
[06:58] <jscinoz> oh wow, rhythmbox is nice now
[06:58] <jscinoz> the stores
[06:58] <Lynoure> bazhang: might work just to delete the saved settings for those networks in knetworkmanager.
[06:58] <bazhang> how to reset kdewallet in Hardy kde4? I set a password for knetwork-manager
[06:58] <bazhang> ah okay
[06:58] <bazhang> thanks Lynoure
[06:58] <Lynoure> bazhang: kwallet is nice, but yep, not good to forget the passphrase.
[06:59] <bazhang> haha stupid me
[06:59] <Lynoure> bazhang: you can also just delete the wallet, and make new one. Haven't tried it in kde4 yet, though
[06:59] <Lynoure> (in kde3.5.9 currently, switching between those two occasionally)
[07:01] <bazhang> Lynoure: than ks much; will try all ;]
[07:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jscinoz, try this: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b4/plugins/
[07:03] <jscinoz> cheers looks like it works now
[07:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sweet
[07:04] <jscinoz> looks likewhoever made the download and extract script for sun-java6-plugin forgot about firefox 3 having a different libdir >_<
[07:04] <jscinoz> firefox 3 is so fast :D
[07:04] <jscinoz> i should have upgraded to hardy earlier
[07:07] <jscinoz> hmm there's no audio output for java >_<
[07:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> um..
[07:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> link?
[07:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> never tried audio yet
[07:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> tuxguitar?
[07:34] <jscinoz> i was testing java audio with runescape :P
[07:36] <savvas> woohoo openoffice crash :)
[07:53] <ethana2> man
[07:53] <ethana2> brainstorm is great
[07:53] <ethana2> but it'd take the resources of canonical, novell, /and/ redhat to do all of them
[07:54] <ethana2> which is fine, because according to google trends, ubuntu is stomping all of them
[07:54] <ethana2> ...do you think novell will ditch suse?
[07:54] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ethana2, y would they?
[07:55] <ethana2> because suse is getting owned
[07:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[07:55] <ethana2> (according to google trends)
[07:55] <ethana2> ubuntu is more searched than mac in one country i saw
[07:55] <ethana2> the czech republic
[07:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ethana2, suse still has lots of followers
[07:56] <ethana2> hmm...
[07:56] <ethana2> less than debian or fedora though
[07:56] <ethana2> ...both of which ubuntu is over by a factor of about eight
[07:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> oh, do u mean the suse enterprise version?
[07:57] <ethana2> no
[07:57] <ethana2> suse
[07:57] <ethana2> ok, i'll try with suse /and/ sled
[07:57] <ethana2> ...in caps
[07:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> for opensuse, it more depends on the community, so i dont think novel need to spend a lot on it
[07:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and it's still very popular in German (at least)
[07:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> but i d like to see suse switch to deb tho, lol
[07:59] <ethana2> http://www.google.com/trends?q=fedora%2C+debian%2C+suse%2C+SLED%2C+RHEL&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
[08:00] <ethana2> I think novell should embrace ubuntu :)  ..but of course i'm partial
[08:00]  * DanaG ditched SuSE because both the package manager and the repos sucked.
[08:00] <ethana2> wait... how do .deb and .rpm differ?
[08:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, agree
[08:00] <ethana2> I've heard .deb is better, but i don't know why
[08:00] <DanaG> That's the backend.
[08:00] <DanaG> YaST is the package manager.
[08:01] <ethana2> well, i know synaptic, yast, and yum..
[08:01] <ethana2> i've had bad experiences with two of them  *cough*
[08:01] <ethana2> ...but as far as package formats, why .deb?
[08:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> YaST is much better than other rpm pm for me, basically it's rpm's problem imo
[08:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ethana2, check the wiki page
[08:02] <ethana2> 'the wiki page'?
[08:02]  * ethana2 goes to google
[08:02] <foxiness> ethana2: rpm vs deb
[08:03] <DanaG> Try YaST in 10.3 under X... it sucks.   YOu have to go to the ncurses version  to get the dependencies and such.
[08:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, ya, suse 10 is a joke
[08:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i remember under suse 10.2, yum is even better than yast
[08:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> or smart
[08:06] <ethana2> ok, so this looks like .deb has more handy features...
[08:06] <ethana2> i don't see deltas
[08:06] <ethana2> yeah, what about delta-deb?
[08:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ethana2, the problem with rpm imo, is that it needs to be more scandalized
[08:07] <DanaG> Wow, Timidity as a daemon as root really sucks.
[08:07] <ethana2> scandalized?
[08:07] <DanaG> It gets way uneven.
[08:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> standalize...*
[08:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> my spell check did that
[08:08] <DanaG> hah!
[08:08] <ethana2> sorry, that still makes no sense
[08:08] <ethana2> heh, you using pidgin too?
[08:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no, xchat...
[08:09] <ethana2> oh
[08:09] <ethana2> well spell check is awesome
[08:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> standardized* should be the word i want to say...
[08:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> or type*
[08:10] <ethana2> Would we benefit from a second .deb spec, or is it not possible to do that without introducing compat issues?
[08:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> "On most Debian based distros, apt and its related tools are the preferred wrapper and on rpm based distros, there is a wider selection e.g. yum, urpmi, yast, smart, apt etc."
[08:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> see what i mean?
[08:14] <ethana2> I think the .rpm and .deb people should come together at the next major FOSS conference and lay out a spec for a next generation package that merges most of the strengths of each
[08:15] <ethana2> and does away with all the division
[08:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ethana2, the problem is they generally hate each other
[08:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> hell, even some debian users hate ubuntu
[08:16] <ethana2> *sigh*
[08:16] <ethana2> emotion is worthless
[08:16] <ethana2> we're only supposed to hate /proprietary/ software projects
[08:16] <ethana2> ^_^
[08:16] <fromport> alien++  :-)
[08:19] <Gnine> process kacpi_notify is giving me 36% cpu load on fresh install (i386 alpha 6/2.6.24-11).
[08:21] <Gnine> process cannot be killed. sudo is not cooperating
[08:23] <Gnine> had to kill compiz and compiz.real processes and do metacity --replace just to get borders and a working terminal
[08:24] <akke> just a stupid question. If i install this alpha6 release.. will I be able to upgrade to the final release without complete re-install?...
[08:24] <Gnine> and i thought upgrading was not better than fresh install..  however; 64bit is working and updating/upgrading just fine
[08:25] <Gnine> yes, akke
[08:25] <Gnine> you will be prompted by update-manager even
[08:25] <akke> okay, thanks ;)
[08:28] <BUGabundo> or just force it
[08:29] <BUGabundo> by doing #update-manager -d
[08:32] <cyphase> aaaahh, USB controller + emulators = fun
[08:32] <cyphase> :)
[08:33] <DanaG> Yup.  Except with Windows guests and USB 2.0 hard drives in Virtualbox 1.5.2; I haven't tried with 1.5.6.
[08:33] <DanaG> Oh yeah, now VBox can emulate Intel Gigabit Ethernet.
[08:33] <clusty> so whats the story with the ipw3945 module?
[08:33] <clusty> is it replaced by something else?
[08:34] <DanaG> And you can even use teaming, I think, if you set up tap devices on the host correctly, or bound the two to separate physical interfaces.
[08:34] <cyphase> DanaG: i think you may have misunderstood me
[08:34] <DanaG> Actually, I was going off on a tangent, partly.
[08:35] <DanaG> I do that sometimes.
[08:35] <cyphase> i meant a game controller, and a console emulator :)
[08:36] <BadRobot> hi there
[08:36] <BadRobot> is the Hardy beta released today?
[08:36] <cyphase> no bots allowed in this channel
[08:36] <cyphase> especially bad ones
[08:37] <cyphase> ;)
[08:38] <DanaG> How does Timidity use OSS without padsp?
[08:41] <BUGabundo> BadRobot: it shedule for today
[08:41] <clusty> how can I get my intel 3495 working again?
[08:41] <BUGabundo> so my guess it will be available around 22h GMT
[08:44] <clusty> aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:44] <clusty> i want my wireless back
[08:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, 3495 works here
[08:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the driver is integrated in the kernel i think
[08:46] <clusty> well i get no eth1
[08:46] <clusty> just some wlan0)_renamed interface
[08:46] <clusty> also the LED does not blink as for scanning for networks
[08:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> shouldnt it be wlan0?
[08:46] <clusty> usually it is eth1
[08:47] <clusty> but they might have changed it
[08:47] <Gnine> wireless is wlan
[08:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mine is wlan0 and it works well
[08:47] <clusty> which module?
[08:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and they added wpa support for network-manager
[08:48] <clusty> wpa was before with the supplicant?
[08:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> iwl3945
[08:49] <Gnine> have you checked  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:51] <clusty> Gnine, nope. thanks. this seems to be it. lemme try it out
[08:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, 3495 or 3945?
[08:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mine is 3945
[08:52] <clusty> that one
[08:52] <clusty> :D
[08:52] <clusty> i always get tio wrong
[08:52] <clusty> only one exists
[08:52] <BadRobot> has someone update the libc6 and updated to the new kernel 2.24-12?
[08:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok
[08:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> BadRobot, read topic
[08:53] <BadRobot> oki donkey
[08:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ...
[08:54] <BadRobot> sorry i mean ok
[08:55] <Gnine> libc6 issues are worked out already .. upgrade should be safe now
[08:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> indeed
[08:56] <Gnine> for all issues topic is the starter guide
[08:56] <Gnine> pre-existing.. that is
[08:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> exactly
[08:56] <ogre> java issues with hardy?
[08:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> java is not woking well with xlib-xcb, yes
[08:57] <ogre> yeah i noticed that
[08:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and other issue?
[08:58] <ogre> thats it. great distro overall
[08:58] <ogre> err except ipw3945
[08:58] <ogre> i think its being worked on though
[08:58] <ogre> err i meant iwl3945
[08:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ogre, http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373
[08:59] <ogre> [Hardy]TuTUXG:  already did that ;P
[08:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> cool
[09:00] <clusty> Gnine, now the right interfaces show up
[09:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> although i dont know y they tag that bug as fixed, it is not
[09:00] <clusty> Gnine, but still no blinky light and no connection
[09:07] <fw0127> hello, is there someone have the problem with pop-menu with gui in hardy? when I click on the menu bottun, no menu item pop out :(
[09:18] <Tesla|Work> is beta already out?
[09:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> not likely
[09:19] <Tesla|Work> okies
[09:19] <clusty> [Hardy]TuTUXG, could you tell me which modules you have loaded?
[09:19] <clusty> iwl related
[09:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> except iwl3945?
[09:19] <clusty> yes
[09:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> a sce
[09:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sec*
[09:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> iwlwifi_mac80211
[09:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> that's it
[09:21] <clusty> i also have cfg80211
[09:21] <clusty> because of the mac
[09:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ya i have that too
[09:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> which is used by iwlwifi_mac80211
[09:23] <fw0127> anyone use hardy now?
[09:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> yes...
[09:24] <clusty> not very good question
[09:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> shockwave is dead?
[09:25] <clusty> the flash thing?
[09:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stupid adobe
[09:25] <clusty> there was never a plugin for linux
[09:25] <clusty> as far as I know
[09:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ya, they offers flash but no shockwave
[09:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i know
[09:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> that's y they are stupid
[09:25] <clusty> so what does it matter then? :D
[09:25] <clusty> if its dead
[09:26] <clusty> or dead and buried
[09:26] <clusty> :D
[09:26] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> cuz i have a shockwave file which have to be open with shockwave player
[09:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> huh, gnash opens it
[09:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> stupid adobe
[09:27] <clusty> install some windows emulator
[09:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ya..
[09:27] <Silvercircle> moin wollte mal fragen wann die erste beta version released wird ?
[09:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ...
[09:28] <clusty> Silvercircle, lool
[09:28] <explicitly> Does anyone have any experience with evolution-addressbook-export?  I have used it successfully in gusty but when I try in hardy i get an warning: "** (evolution-addressbook-export:16195): WARNING **: FIXME: wait for completion unimplemented"
[09:28] <clusty> a dude from Bremen
[09:28] <clusty> :D
[09:28] <Silvercircle> was daran so lustig ?^^
[09:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Bremen?
[09:28] <alesan> hi, was there an announce for Ubntu+2 yet?
[09:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ...
[09:28] <clusty> sprich english
[09:28] <Silvercircle> aso ok :D
[09:28] <clusty> tonight
[09:28] <clusty> was funny cause its something to recognize bremers allover
[09:28] <clusty> :D
[09:29] <alesan> Hardy Heron was announced on august 29th, more than one month before gutsy release
[09:29] <alesan> now, we are about one month from Hardy release, did they already announce the next one?
[09:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ibex something?
[09:30] <clusty> guess its 2 versions/year
[09:30] <clusty> he he
[09:30] <clusty> the biatch connected
[09:30] <clusty> :D
[09:30] <clusty> yeeepppiiieee
[09:31] <clusty> long live ubuntu
[09:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[09:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sweet
[09:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> how did u solve that?
[09:31] <clusty> i killed network manager
[09:31] <clusty> restaretd it
[09:31] <clusty> and attached to essid manually
[09:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> um...
[09:31] <clusty> iwconfig
[09:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> not autodetected?
[09:32] <clusty> weird part is my twinkly lights are always off :(
[09:32] <clusty> i liked my twinkles
[09:32] <clusty> [Hardy]TuTUXG, it was trying for 20min to connect
[09:32] <clusty> and would fail
[09:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> um, reboot?
[09:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no help?
[09:32] <clusty> nope
[09:32] <clusty> guess its still just buggy
[09:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> um...
[09:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ya..
[09:33] <clusty> also my suspends are all buggered for now :(
[09:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mine is not working
[09:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> never
[09:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> s2ram or s2disk
[09:33] <Silvercircle> here i'm fw0127 ;)
[09:34] <clusty> both were working
[09:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i had suspend working once when on edgy
[09:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> just that one time then nothing
[09:34] <clusty> [Hardy]TuTUXG, try to pass this to the kernel
[09:35] <clusty> acpi_osi!=Linux
[09:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> wiped my swap couple of times
[09:35] <clusty> acpi_apic_instance=2
[09:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sudo?
[09:35] <clusty> no
[09:35] <oxigen> netscape died :( R.I.P.
[09:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> already?
[09:35] <oxigen> yea
[09:35] <clusty> you either stuck them in defoptions in /boot/grub/menu.lst (dont kill the #)
[09:36] <clusty> oxigen, were you still on netscape?
[09:36] <fw0127> hallo, i have a strange problem when i click the menu button on top of the window bar, there is no menu list pop out, and the right button of mouse does not work...
[09:36] <oxigen> no, i just tried to import old mails..
[09:36] <fw0127> adf
[09:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> command not found, clusty
[09:36] <clusty> [Hardy]TuTUXG, its not a command
[09:36] <fw0127> adsf
[09:36] <clusty> its a kernel param
[09:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, oh
[09:37] <clusty> boot time
[09:37] <clusty> write that on a piece of paper
[09:37] <clusty> reboot
[09:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok, so put them in menu.list?
[09:37] <clusty> when grub asks you press e
[09:37] <clusty> for edit
[09:37] <fw0127> 
[09:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> k
[09:37] <clusty> and after splash add that stuff
[09:37] <fw0127> adf
[09:37] <oxigen> i have no idea how to import my old mails (2001), i have no luck with evolution either :(
[09:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> both off them?
[09:38] <clusty> fw0127, hey kollege. we have no idea
[09:38] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> of*
[09:38] <clusty> yes
[09:38] <fw0127> adsf
[09:38] <fw0127> afds
[09:38] <clusty> fw0127, du kriegst ein ban sehr schnell
[09:39] <Silvercircle> clusty, er sieht nix von dem was hier geschrieben wird;)
[09:39] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, /vmlinuz-2.6.24-12-rt root=UUID=8379d98e-71a1-462c-879e-cfc144fa3738 ro quiet splash acpi_osi!=Linux acpi_apic_instance=2 like this?
[09:40] <clusty> yah
[09:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, sweet
[09:41] <clusty> first add it by hand
[09:41] <clusty> just to make sure it wont make the sys unbootable
[09:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok
[09:41] <oxigen> hmm, where to find old netscape mail client?
[09:41] <oxigen> will it work on hardy? :P
[09:42] <cwillu> probably not, depending on how old
[09:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> brb
[09:45] <oxigen> fcuk, i can't open my old mails :/
[09:46] <locomo> did you notice how alpha 6 trashing hdd?
[09:46] <locomo> you=anyone
[09:47] <clusty> nope
[09:47] <ionstorm> trashing hdd?
[09:47] <ionstorm> what do u mean locomo
[09:47] <locomo> uses hdd with no reason and it seems lag occur
[09:47] <clusty> locomo, is it not the tracker?
[09:47] <locomo> i was scared and switched to another os
[09:48] <locomo> dunno
[09:48] <locomo> have not seen this with kubuntu
[09:48] <ionstorm> nah dont notice it
[09:48] <clusty> locomo, you scare to easilly
[09:48] <ionstorm> I dist upgraded from gutsy
[09:48] <clusty> :D
[09:48] <clusty> if smoke does not come out its fine
[09:48] <ionstorm> pretty much
[09:49] <ionstorm> ur hdds can get up to 55c I think
[09:49] <ionstorm> and it will be ok eh?
[09:49] <clusty> my drive never got hotter than 40
[09:49] <clusty> and then with clogged ventilation
[09:50] <ionstorm> 55c is the max
[09:50] <ionstorm> they are rated at 55c i think
[09:50] <ionstorm> so maybe 60
[09:50] <ionstorm> but right now normally im running at 30-40
[09:50] <ionstorm> with hardy
[09:50] <ionstorm> shitty fan too
[09:50] <clusty> ionstorm, i was talking laptop drive
[09:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, sweet it works
[09:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> but seems not working well with compiz
[09:57] <fw0127> hi, is somebody meet the problem with the window-menu pop problems, i cannot use the menus and right mouse button after upgrade to hardy
[10:00] <clusty> [Hardy]TuTUXG, ohh well
[10:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, get back to gdm screen and it works
[10:00] <clusty> [Hardy]TuTUXG, thats not much of an improvement
[10:01] <clusty> cause gnome takes same amount of time to load as the sys to boot
[10:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, u know what's the command for suspend?
[10:01] <clusty> graphical or txt?
[10:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, no i use the switch user
[10:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, i wanna try to switch to tty1 and suspend there
[10:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, switch user doesnt kill ur session i think
[10:02] <clusty> [Hardy]TuTUXG, cant remember
[10:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, ur suspend works with compiz?
[10:03] <clusty> you basically had to do something like a :
[10:03] <clusty> cat 1 > /proc/acpi.....
[10:03] <clusty> some place
[10:03] <clusty> cant find the file where you need to do it
[10:03] <ion> isnt beta 1 due today?
[10:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, that's fine i will check google
[10:04] <benplaut> 2 q's: about how long till the beta, and how stable is the current alpha compared to, say, 5.04 early alpha and 6.06 early alpha?
[10:04] <benplaut> haven't used ubuntu in a while :P
[10:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, so ur compiz works with suspend?
[10:04] <clusty> [Hardy]TuTUXG, not with hardy
[10:04] <ion> clusty there is a search engine named after u
[10:04] <clusty> this one chokes always
[10:04] <ion> clusty rox
[10:04] <clusty> :D
[10:04] <clusty> lool
[10:04] <clusty> i know
[10:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, thanks a lot that's a big improvement for me already
[10:05] <clusty> that is prolly "clusty the cluster"
[10:05] <clusty> :D
[10:05] <clusty> and I am "clusty the clown" :D
[10:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ya, u r
[10:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ;P
[10:06] <clusty> whats cool about this channell:
[10:06] <clusty> as long as you dont annoy the hell out of ppl theya re willing to help
[10:06] <clusty> no matter how noobish the question
[10:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> haha, right on
[10:06] <locomo> yeah, i was not banned here yet
[10:06] <arvindenriq> apport is not working
[10:07] <clusty> the debian guys are way more knowledgeble
[10:07] <clusty> but also snotty as hell
[10:08] <arvindenriq> amaranth apport is not working
[10:09] <clusty> arvindenriq, how is it behaving?
[10:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[10:09] <clusty> [Hardy]TuTUXG, easier :D
[10:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ya
[10:10] <clusty> last time I did a console sleep was in debian
[10:10] <clusty> like 4 years ago
[10:10] <clusty> after patching the kernel
[10:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok i gonna try it from tty1
[10:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> brb
[10:10] <arvindenriq> it says this problem report is damaged and cannot be processed
[10:10] <arvindenriq> i ve even reinstalled it
[10:11] <fw0127> no one knows?
[10:12] <clusty> fw0127, we dont like you :D
[10:12] <fw0127> i am too hurry :((
[10:13] <fw0127> i believe new one is better than the old, but it seems wrong :((
[10:13] <locomo> clusty: this channel supposed to be "family frendly", but i dunno if it involve family violence too
[10:14] <clusty> locomo, i was not suggesting genocide :D
[10:15] <arvindenriq> anyother bug reporting tools?
[10:16] <locomo> my mother making death threats to me last month, dunno what "family friendly" mean
[10:16] <locomo> lol
[10:17] <fw0127> perhaps i should try later :((
[10:17] <locomo> try what?
[10:18] <fw0127> ask the qustion about the menu popout problems in hardy gui window
[10:18] <locomo> ah window menu popup...
[10:18] <clusty> he has some issue with menues
[10:18] <arvind> how to make nautilus as default
[10:18] <fw0127> i am new to ubuntu
[10:18] <locomo> dunno, try searching bugs.launchpad.net
[10:19] <locomo> and i never believed in OS upgrades... always making a clean install
[10:20] <savvas> same here, but clean as in keeping the /home intact :)
[10:20] <clusty> why might that be?
[10:20] <clusty> i install only when i get bored or some serious failure occurs
[10:21] <fw0127> yes, but i am afraid of a lot of installing other packages and configuations such like mutt, xmgrace, paraview..etc, they make me very hard...
[10:22] <locomo> menus a probably related to messed gnome config
[10:24] <fw0127> but under kde4 and xfce, now i cannot change the default x-window manager, while the menus at login not allowed :((
[10:25] <fw0127> the default session cannot be changed
[10:26] <tvnz> hello all, any news about beta ?
[10:27] <locomo> no bad news is good news
[10:28] <locomo> nvm
[10:31] <BadRobot> does someone knows @ what time hardy beta will be up the the servers for download?
[10:32] <Galga> hi
[10:32] <BadRobot> ("Ⓟⓡⓔⓥⓔⓓ")
[10:33] <Oli``> And will the beta be a set of rolling updates for Alpha users or will we need to distro-update?
[10:36] <savvas> I need someone to test a bug for me, need 64k-128k or less upload bandwidth (not download)
[10:36] <fw0127> i don't know, it seens there is no developer here :
[10:37] <savvas> BadRobot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[10:37] <Lynoure> Hibernate seems to work perfectly for me, suspend not at all (suspends, but does not even start resuming), it's a HP NC8230, any ideas?
[10:37] <BadRobot> i hope there will be an upgrade,like the Alpha 5 to 6
[10:37] <Lynoure> savvas: tell more.
[10:37] <BadRobot> yep,tell us more savvas
[10:38] <savvas> Oli``: no need to distro-upgrade, if you have alpha, you'll already have beta
[10:38] <savvas> tell more about what?
[10:38] <savvas> I'm not a dev :)
[10:38] <savvas> and it says the dates, when it is EXPECTED :)
[10:38] <Lynoure> savvas: "I need someone to test..." but there was no details.
[10:38] <savvas> ah
[10:38] <savvas> sure
[10:39] <Lynoure> Not promising to test anything before knowing what it entails :)
[10:39] <savvas> Lynoure: ok http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/196439
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196439 in linux "hardy: uploading causes network lag" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:39] <savvas> i need someone to start an upload of a big file, just to keep the upload busy
[10:40] <savvas> and then go to a site in firefox, like www.flickr.com or a site that wasn't archived by dns
[10:40] <arvind> how to make nautilus as default
[10:40] <Lynoure> savvas: hmm, all those things you list as getting lagged need upload too, so it just seems natural
[10:40] <Galga> has anyone experienced where they were unable to access some partitions and later were able to access them by deleting a .bmp file
[10:40] <Lynoure> savvas: no QoS in place by default, I think
[10:40] <savvas> Lynoure: it shouldn't get 100% and stop me from browsing other sites
[10:41] <Oli``> savvas: this sounds like a common networking issue... By uploading you're filling all the available upstream bandwidth. So when you "upload" requests to web servers asking for a page, it's going to take longer.
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[10:41] <savvas> Oli``: that's the point, it takes *too* long
[10:41] <savvas> unresolvable websites every time
[10:41] <Lynoure> savvas: without QoS it's a free-for-all grab-fest, really. yes, QoS slightly favouring interactive things might be nice.
[10:42] <BadRobot> In Systems - Preferred Applications ,i guess.Arvind
[10:43] <savvas> Lynoure: what's qos ? :\
[10:43] <Oli``> savvas: you might be able to install some sort of QOS (Quality of Service) to prioritise DNS over HTTP over FTP traffic. Take a look at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7990
[10:43] <savvas> hm..
[10:43] <Lynoure> savvas: Quality of Service. Priorisation of bandwidth use, basicly
[10:45] <savvas> i think I saw that in my router, be right back
[10:45] <Johan-_> any one have a guide for how to connect bluetooth keyboard. All guides are for 7.10 and uses hidd that seems to be missing in 8.04
[10:45] <savvas> Enable Quality Of Service
[10:45] <savvas> Enabling packet level QoS for a PVC improves performance for selected classes of applications.  QoS cannot be set for CBR and Realtime VBR.  QoS consumes system resources; therefore the number of PVCs will be reduced. Use Advanced Setup/Quality of Service to assign priorities for the applications.
[10:45] <savvas> This one?
[10:46] <savvas> woohoo!
[10:46] <savvas> restarting the router, I'll reconnect in a jiffy
[10:47] <arvind> bug reporting tools in HH alpha 6?
[10:50] <Lynoure> arvind: yes, apport.
[10:50] <arvind> its broken
[10:51] <savvas> Oli`` & Lynoure - thanks :) now to read up on how to limit it
[10:51] <Lynoure> arvind: report one on Launchpad, then?
[10:52] <arvind> Lynourne,it says "This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed."
[10:52] <arvind> any other?
[10:52] <Lynoure> arvind: you can you Launchpad with your browser at least...
[10:53] <arvind> any other tools?
[10:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, still there?
[10:55] <Lynoure> arvind: I don't use other, there might be some
[10:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> switch to tty1 and suspend does work, but unable to switch back to x
[10:56] <Lynoure> [Hardy]TuTUXG: another suspend debugger... :) I just get mine to suspend, no resume even starting :/
[10:56] <coz_> hey all
[10:57] <coz_> noticed that gcursor does not work on hardy with libglade-warnings not being able to find signal handler   am I missing something
[10:59] <mattik> Hello, sometimes my wireless network works sometimes not. I have reported it in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/186237 It had to be fixed
[10:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186237 in linux "No wireless connection with 2200 BG in Hardy Alpha 3" [Medium,Fix released]
[10:59] <Galga> ubotu how about keyrepetition ?
[11:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Lynoure, try to add acpi_ost!=Linux acpi+instance=2 under the kernel options within /boot/grub/menu.list, that makes me be able to suspend from gdm
[11:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Lynoure, however, no luck with compiz
[11:00] <burken_> anyone know if i can reach a windows network from livecd?
[11:01] <Lynoure> [Hardy]TuTUXG: what do those do? My hibernation (suspend-to-disk) does work, so I'm a bit careful of stuff that might break it
[11:03] <DanaG> Yay, I figured out a way to hack around the godawful secondary fan in my laptop!
[11:04] <DanaG> I've connected the active-low "Sense" pin of my primary fan to the active-high "Control" pin of the secondary fan.
[11:04] <savvas> Lynoure: do you know if windows systems have this QoS integrated in its operating system?
[11:04] <DanaG> That way, when the primary fan is on, it slows down the secondary fan.
[11:05] <Lynoure> savvas: I don't use MS Win much anymore
[11:05] <xopher> Hi, I got a pulseaudio related question; after I've installed it, programs can't seem to be able to use Alsa anymore, I just get random errors when trying to listen to music etc. System sounds work fine though, and movies if pulseaudio driver is used
[11:05] <DanaG> xopher: try the wiki:
[11:05] <DanaG> !pulseaudio
[11:05] <Lynoure> savvas: I just know they too have some implementation of QoS available, no idea about their defaults
[11:05] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[11:05] <DanaG> "perfect setup"
[11:06] <burken_> !network
[11:06] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:06] <DanaG> The current PulseAudio inclusion is incomplete; it needs a few more packages and settings to really work well.
[11:06] <savvas> Lynoure: ok thanks :) this should definitely fix it up
[11:06] <xopher> DanaG, well ok, I'll wait then ツ
[11:06] <mattik> burgen: bug is bug
[11:06] <DanaG> ACtually, you can install the stuff yourself.
[11:07] <xopher> oh, where can I find the stuff required?
[11:07] <Lynoure> savvas: :)
[11:09] <DanaG> The wiki explains it.
[11:09] <DanaG> libasound2-plugins
[11:09] <DanaG> I just install almost all *pulse* packages, except the LIRC ones.
[11:11] <xopher> got 'em, and eh, got it working too, just changed to ALSA to PulseAudio in Preferences -> Sound .. And now I feel stupid for thinking it was more difficult than that ツ
[11:11] <KrimZon> i seem to be having some trouble with sound - mostly with audacity which, whenever i enter preferences, doesnt respond for about 10 seconds, then it has a big list of audio devices to choose from with no indication of which will actually work
[11:12] <xopher> But I still can't get any sound from my LFE or surround, and I only get sound from my front speakers if I enable 'duplicate front'
[11:12] <xopher> it's an ALC850 integrated card, via_82xx
[11:12] <DanaG> PulseAudio doesn't do surround for me on my Audigy2, either.
[11:12] <xopher> snd_via82xx actually
[11:12] <xopher> ok
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> Pulse here sounds really thin
[11:12] <KrimZon> audacity also does a big pause of non-responsiveness when starting up
[11:13] <xopher> well, I can live without that for a while, now that I got music playing .. ツ
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> (Identical soundcards 2 laptops one has OSS this has alsa + pulse)
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> well its the same soundcard (usb) dunno whether pulse is doing any unnecessary resampling or what but its annoying me
[11:16] <DanaG> Check /etc/pulse/daemon.conf for the resample method.
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> What are the choices ?
[11:17] <DanaG> man pulse-daemon.conf
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> I didn't change it (speex-float-3)
[11:17] <DanaG> Comment out the default, for reference.
[11:21] <h3sp4wn> so we don't have dump-resample-methods
[11:21] <DanaG> manpages have the list.
[11:21] <DanaG> wait
[11:22] <DanaG> yeah resample-method=  in man pulse-daemon.conf
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> Its not guaranteed that its compiled with all of them though
[11:24] <DanaG> I believe they are all.
[11:24] <DanaG> all are.
[11:24] <DanaG> whatever.
[11:24] <burken> what can i do when synaptics is trying to fetch a file version that is not in the archive?
[11:24] <DanaG> Yell at it?
[11:24] <DanaG> (joking.)
[11:25] <burken> :s
[11:25] <DanaG> If it's trying to install old versions, you may just need to update the package lists.
[11:25] <burken> DanaG: Ok gotta check that one
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: can I just kill -HUP to reload the settings ?
[11:27] <burken> DanaG: it worked :) ty
[11:27] <DanaG> I'm not sure about that for pulseaudio -- you may have to restart the daemon and apps.  Let me see what it does when I 'HUP' pulseaudio.
[11:28] <DanaG> Beats me; it didn't quit, at least.
[11:30] <KrimZon> can anyone help me with audacity?
[11:30] <Lynoure> KrimZon: ask the specific question
[11:31] <KrimZon> when it starts up, theres about 10 to 20 seconds unresponsiveness, same when i edit preferences or try to record or play
[11:31] <KrimZon> then it doesn't record or play
[11:32] <KrimZon> and it says: "Error while opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and the project sample rate."
[11:32] <wxPython> hello
[11:33] <DanaG> That's be Audacity not getting along with PulseAudio.  You may have to 'pasuspender audacity'
[11:33] <DanaG> I don't get why PulseAudio is installed by default without any of the advantages (such as the tools!).
[11:33] <mattik> ok, I have to change router from wpa2 to wpa. Then it maybe works with ubuntu
[11:33] <wxPython> please explain to me why does some code have self.parent=parent in its lines?
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> mattik: I can use wpa2 if I use raw wpa_supplicant
[11:34] <Lynoure> wxPython: some code? Wrong channel?
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> network manager just messes up the key
[11:34] <wxPython> Lynoure where can i get help on that?
[11:34] <wxPython> which channel?
[11:35] <KrimZon> aha, it keeps saying "Expression 'ret' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 1034
[11:35] <KrimZon> Expression 'AlsaOpen( hostApi, parameters, streamDir, &pcm )' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 1066
[11:35] <KrimZon> " in the console
[11:35] <Lynoure> wxPython: assuming from your nick, #python, maybe?
[11:35] <Lynoure> wxPython: or #theprojectthecodeisfrom
[11:35] <wxPython> Lynoure i'm banned there
[11:35] <wxPython> on #python
[11:35] <wxPython> the mother-fuckers banned me
[11:35] <Pici> !language | wxPython
[11:35] <ubotu> wxPython: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[11:36] <wxPython> the mother-fuckers banned me
[11:36] <Lynoure> wxPython: no surprise, based on the lines above.
[11:36] <wxPython> is hardy beta out?
[11:36] <Pici> !guidelines > wxPython (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)
[11:36] <Pici> No surprise there...
[11:36] <KrimZon> DanaG: it still hangs when i run it as "pasuspender audacity"
[11:36] <DanaG> Odd.
[11:37] <bazhang> ouch language
[11:37] <KrimZon> i'm tempted to uninstall pulseaudio
[11:37] <DanaG> PulseAudio is unnecessary if you don't use the multiple-device or networked-device features.
[11:37] <KrimZon> yeah, i just have one soundcard, and only use it from this machine
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> I dunno why its all done in userspace either
[11:40] <coz_> hey guys just noticed , after doing the current updates, that gtk is no longer working under compiz fusion   did something break?
[11:40] <KrimZon> hmm... trouble is, trying to remove libpulse also wants to remove stuff like dgen, dosbox, dosemu, vdrift, vlc and a bunch of other games, libraries and players
[11:41] <Johan-_> sorry for spamming, but does anyone have a good guide for connecting a bluetooth keyboard to ubuntu? All guides I can find is for 7.10 and hidd seems to be missing in 8.04. The gui for the bluetooth wont work :/
[11:42] <Lamego> simam0rr
[11:42] <coz_> Johan-_, you may want to check the bug reports on this    there is most likely a few entries there
[11:42] <DanaG> You can leave pulse library but leave the daemon.
[11:42] <DanaG> I mean, leave the libraries, remove the daemon.
[11:43] <Johan-_> coz_: checked what I can find. It seems to be working, but not for me so I'm guessing I'm missing something
[11:43] <KrimZon> what package is the daemon?
[11:44] <coz_> Johan-_,  oh mm  well  not sure what to suggest here other than maybe reporting this yourself or waiting a bit for updates but I think reporting it might prove to be better
[11:45] <Johan-_> coz_: but I don't realy thing it's a bug. More stupidity from my side.
[11:45] <DanaG> -
[11:45] <coz_> Johan-_, oh :)
[11:45] <coz_> Johan-_, well then keep asking here  every so often so you dont appear to be flooding :)
[11:46] <Johan-_> that's the problem, don't like to spam :)
[11:46] <DanaG> By "missing" , do you mean "not packaged", or "not installed"?
[11:46] <KrimZon> this is headwrecking, its still showing it in the sound options, and audacity is still hanging
[11:47] <KrimZon> so i wonder if any of the devices in audacity's preferences are really installed, and what to pick to actually play sound
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> Its still not much better with remixing disabled entirely
[11:47] <DanaG> h3sp4wn: try with just bare ALSA.
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> Is there a plug I can use to bypass pulse ?
[11:48] <coz_> h3sp4wn, you want to disable pulse audio?
[11:49] <KrimZon> aha, now it's gone
[11:49]  * DanaG must sleep 'ze' laptop.
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> Not really - I want to test whether the issue is alsa or not
[11:51] <KrimZon> but audacity still hangs
[11:51] <burken> should i be able to use SUDO on livecd?
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> yep#
[11:51] <coz_> h3sp4wn, you can go to system/preferences/sound
[11:52] <burken> i get "sudo: unable to reolve host ubuntu"...
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> KrimZon: The docs implies if you remove pulseaudio-esound-compat then pulse won't be started when you go into a gnome session
[11:54] <KrimZon> aha, i'll restart x then
[11:54] <KrimZon> brb
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> (But I dunno whether the docs are accurate I would guess quite unlikely not
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> s/unlikely/likely
[11:55] <nandemonai> Hi peoples. Does anyone know if VLC is going to be updated to support pulseaudio properly by release?
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> I really don't know what is happening here - The sound is distorted really easily
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> (On the headphone output) - could be the outputs are at +4dbu  (as should be or at least selectable) so they do that for the headphone output also
[11:57] <KrimZon> audacity also blocks all sound still
[11:58] <h3sp4wn> KrimZon: What apps do you use often ?#
[11:58] <h3sp4wn> (For sound)
[11:59] <KrimZon> i play media in the default media player because others dont seem to have worked
[11:59] <KrimZon> but i need a decent wave editor for making music
[11:59] <KrimZon> i got jeskola buzz working in wine
[12:02] <KrimZon> oh, i also watch youtube and iplayer in firefox
[12:02] <KrimZon> and i like having a startup sound
[12:03] <KrimZon> and all my games need sound - primarily darkplaces, fte, and guildwars under wine
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> I have noticed ut2004 is alot smoother if I use OSS not alsa
[12:05] <h3sp4wn> I am not bothered for all the sounds being of high quality so I might try to build the oss4 pulse
[12:12] <DanaG> Is there an OSS4 pulse?
[12:13] <DanaG> Oh yeah, OSS4 hard-locks on my Audigy2.
[12:13] <burken> anyone happens to know how to get root privlieges on livecd?
[12:14] <Johan-_> burken: it should work with sudo su or just use sudo
[12:14] <Johan-_> burken: but I had some problems with that on the alpha6 disk
[12:14] <burken> Johan-_: but it doesnt.. i get "unable to resolve host.."
[12:15] <burken> Johan-_: yep also have alpha 6..
[12:15] <Johan-_> burken: try sudo xterm or something
[12:15] <Johan-_> burken: But I'm just guessing. Have no idea on how to solve it
[12:15] <burken> i get the same error..
[12:15] <humbolto> Is emerald still in use for theming compiz in Hardy?
[12:15] <humbolto> If not, what else?
[12:15] <humbolto> How do I theme compiz?
[12:16] <Dr_willis> You can use emerald i imagine.
[12:16] <Dr_willis> if you want., or use the gnome, or kde widget things for compiz and use those themes.
[12:16] <humbolto> But what is used by default?
[12:17] <Johan-_> humbolto: the packages is in synaptic atleast
[12:17] <Dr_willis> I dont use compiz :) i imagine its set to use the gtk/gnome stuff.
[12:17] <humbolto> Johan-_: I know
[12:21] <AutoMatriX> hi folks
[12:26] <co0lingFir3> hi, is the hardy beta already available?
[12:27] <lasta> everyones waiting...
[12:27] <co0lingFir3> lasta, but it should be released today, shouldnt it?
[12:28] <co0lingFir3> is there any ETA when the beta will be released?
[12:28] <Johan-_> will it actually be any huge changes from the last alpha?
[12:31] <h3sp4wn> Johan-_: Nothing has noticibly changed for me recently
[12:32] <Johan-_> the gdm change from 5 to 6 so
[12:33] <aetaric> if hardy is still alpha then will it be ready for release?
[12:33] <aetaric> in april?
[12:33] <eklof> Sure. It's a month left.
[12:34] <Johan-_> aetaric: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[12:34] <Johan-_> 24 april
[12:35] <gweep> hello .... i have a little problem. i use hardy heron. i will install my printer (canon mp160) on this, but i have the problem, i can't the path /dev/usb/usbpl0 .... what is now the same? - sry for my bag english :)
[12:37] <gweep> bad
[12:37] <Typhox> Can you tell me how to add a template to the rightclick>new Document-menu?
[12:39] <Typhox> oO my Firefox doesn't like apachefriends...
[12:39] <jrib> Typhox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/175365  check if Bruce's comment applies to you
[12:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175365 in nautilus "Templates not working" [Low,Incomplete]
[12:39] <Bergcube> Now with the beta out, I wonder about something.  Will a fully dist-upgraded alpha be equal to the current beta?  Or should I download the beta and reinstall to be completely current?
[12:39] <Typhox> ok, thx
[12:40] <Pici> !final | Bergcube
[12:40] <ubotu> Bergcube: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> Bergcube: never reinstall Debian or Ubuntu
[12:40] <Bergcube> Thanks a lot people!
[12:45] <mohkohn> Upgrade to Hardy has broken my LUKS/ Dm-Crypt
[12:45] <Typhox> cd ~/.config/
[12:45] <Typhox> no
[12:46] <Typhox> wrong window^^
[12:47] <Typhox> Haha, yes, it is how bruce said.
[12:47] <mohkohn> I finish up with a busybox shell which says (initramfs)
[12:47] <Typhox> there is a bit too much translated, i think
[12:48] <Typhox> jrib: Thank you very much
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> mohkohn: I take it you worked out how to recover prior to starting to use it right ?
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> Boot from working live cd
[12:54] <mohkohn> h3sp4wn, ?
[12:55] <h3sp4wn> Dunno why anyone would use a volume manger or raid impliementation if would make it more difficult to actually recover if there was an issue than without
[12:55] <h3sp4wn> Take appart the initramfs and put some set -x 's in there so you can see what its doing
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> Is there a way I can dump simply what is being piped out of pulse
[12:58] <mohkohn> thanks for the pointer h3sp4wn I will try
[12:59] <XceII> Morning: With all the problems I had with 7.10 / is now resolved with hardy: Thank you.
[12:59] <XceII> Have a super day folks.
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> mohkohn: You might look for a live cd with particularly good hardware detection
[13:00] <h3sp4wn> knoppix maybe ? if you have no idea how to manually mount it
[13:00] <mohkohn> h3sp4wn, and with dm-crypt!
[13:01] <noelferreira> hi. how do i upgrade from gutsy to hardy?
[13:01] <GiddyGlipper> noelferreira, carefully
[13:02] <GiddyGlipper> noelferreira, wouldn't you rather wait until next month?
[13:02] <noelferreira> :(
[13:02] <GiddyGlipper> noelferreira, no sad face! it makes me sad !
[13:02] <noelferreira> lol
[13:02] <noelferreira> i am not the type of waiting
[13:02] <GiddyGlipper> there we go
[13:02] <GiddyGlipper> let's see that smile
[13:02] <noelferreira> :)
[13:02] <GiddyGlipper> I know you can do it
[13:02] <h3sp4wn> mohkohn: When I first started using lvm2 I spent ages trying to find out how I would recover if it messed up - it is worth it - what use is more secure or reliable data if when there actually is a problem you cannot get to it
[13:03] <Johan-_> noelferreira: if your setup works my opinion is to keep it
[13:03] <GiddyGlipper>  \o/ Woot
[13:03] <noelferreira> lol
[13:03] <noelferreira> works perfectly :)
[13:03] <noelferreira> lol
[13:03] <GiddyGlipper> noelferreira, it's difficult for me to wait, but you know something, it's worth it!
[13:03] <fuzzy76> Is Hardy beta released as a cd image, or is it just a generic milestone?
[13:03] <GiddyGlipper> noelferreira, then you can get out your hardy twister mat and right foot left arm with all of us together!
[13:03] <Johan-_> fuzzy76: everything is both i belive
[13:03] <noelferreira> ok
[13:03] <h3sp4wn> mohkohn: Did it get broken for all kernels or do any previous ones work
[13:04] <noelferreira> lol
[13:04] <GiddyGlipper> I would like to see all of the ubuntu animals dance together
[13:04] <GiddyGlipper> behind door #1, it's breezy badger!
[13:05] <GiddyGlipper> behind door #2, wearing a smashing gown with flower hat, it's edgy eft!
[13:06] <DanaG> I liked the nice eft-theme usplash theme from usplash-dev package; where are the feisty and gutsy and hardy equivalents?
[13:06] <J-_> GiddyGlipper: lol
[13:06] <h3sp4wn> I would laugh actually probably at the reaction of the warthog
[13:07] <GiddyGlipper> h3sp4wn, he comes out dressed in a dirty bib, he stuffed his face before door #0 opened
[13:07] <indomiti> hey
[13:07] <noelferreira> GiddyGlipper, the problem is that i am compiling now glib-2.15.6 and maybe it is already in the beta release of hardy
[13:07] <GiddyGlipper> h3sp4wn, oh and high heels made from diamond
[13:07] <DanaG> wtf? brightness keys broken.
[13:07] <h3sp4wn> The best usplash theme I ever saw was never actually supposed to be used (was just a half finished mockup)
[13:07] <DanaG> The spinny one, or the "minimal" one?
[13:07] <J-_> DanaG: They've been broken for me for a longgg while.
[13:07] <DanaG> I wish ubuntu would use fbsplash!
[13:07] <indomiti> i upgraded from gutsy to hardy and now i have some problems.... first of forward/back mouse buttons do not work in nautilus or firefox anymore
[13:08] <GiddyGlipper> noelferreira, go with whatever you want, just remember anything is possible in alpha and beta
[13:08] <noelferreira> lol
[13:08] <noelferreira> sure
[13:08] <DanaG> Brightness keys are sporadic for me.
[13:08] <GiddyGlipper> I want brightness keys on my brain
[13:08] <h3sp4wn> I wish gnome wouldn't interfere with stuff ibm has designed and works perfectly
[13:08] <J-_> They worked with the first kernel available, after that they've been broken.
[13:09] <DanaG> Oh.... an ACPI exception:
[13:09] <h3sp4wn> My brightness keys are not working on this HP
[13:09] <DanaG> ACPI Exception (battery-0306): AE_ERROR, Evaluating _STA [20070126]
[13:09] <DanaG> BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000028
[13:09] <J-_> where's been broken, he's been grindin'!
[13:09]  * GiddyGlipper pelvis thrusts the air
[13:10] <GiddyGlipper> J-_, elvis has left the building!
[13:10] <J-_> hehehe
[13:10] <m1r> hello
[13:11] <GiddyGlipper> hello!
[13:11] <GiddyGlipper> the heron cookies are fresh today
[13:11] <DanaG> They've worked up until the latest -12 change.
[13:12] <DanaG> The slidey applet works, though.
[13:12] <J-_> DanaG: hrm, all I remember is trying them with the first kernel(no updates) and they works =S
[13:13] <askand> Is it correct that the beta should come sometime 20 april?
[13:13] <DanaG> I think g-p-m is what's broken, actually.
[13:14] <J-_> "they works" lol, ohlawd. My english is quite good.
[13:16] <DanaG> Perhaps console-setup broke keys.
[13:19] <DanaG> Ugh, also try scrolling over the brightness applet... it flickers 95%-100%-95%...
[13:22] <J-_> mine is just really delayed, and doesn't do anything. Same with the applet for the panel
[13:23] <DanaG> Aah, the Input events are being lost.
[13:23] <mohkohn> h3sp4wn, my 2.6.24-1 kernel boots :)
[13:24] <DanaG> Maybe Xorg is grabbing the keys.
[13:25] <h3sp4wn> g-p-m is a waste of time its stupid
[13:25] <insomninja> Is there a way to get sound working in wine? It seems to not like pulseaudio...
[13:25] <J-_> Have the left and right page keys work for anyone? the ones on laptops just above the right and left arrow keys on thinkpads?
[13:25] <J-_> is that the right description for the keys?
[13:25] <J-_> I've never used them
[13:26] <h3sp4wn> xrandr is annoying also in that it defines another interface when thinkpad-acpi / ibm-acpi had all this stuff working properly ages ago
[13:26] <DanaG> Brightness works on console before Xorg grabs it, so Xorg must be doing something wrong.
[13:26] <J-_> !info xrandr
[13:27] <ubotu> Package xrandr does not exist in hardy
[13:27] <GiddyGlipper> "bright light!" - gizmo
[13:27] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: My thinkpad has the same issues
[13:27]  * J-_ swoons
[13:27] <DanaG> Xorg must be killing the keys somehow.
[13:27] <h3sp4wn> Well even it X it works but it gets reset by that crap
[13:27] <DanaG> It works for a while, and then breaks.
[13:27] <DanaG> And the keys stop appearing even to acpid.
[13:27]  * DanaG goes to try stopping gdm, then go to bed.  Good night.
[13:29] <mthode> hardy is still on for later today right?
[13:29] <mohkohn> I put it on nospash so I can see what is happening.
[13:29] <J-_> mthode: Not sure what you mean?
[13:29] <GiddyGlipper> J-_, beta
[13:29] <mthode> ya bete
[13:29] <mthode> beta*
[13:30]  * GiddyGlipper hands J-_ some coffee
[13:30] <J-_> I know it's Beta...
[13:30]  * J-_ needs a tea
[13:30] <J-_> I should make one
[13:30] <GiddyGlipper> J-_, use teatimer
[13:31] <mthode> the beta for hardy is supposed tot come out today, I was just wondering if it was still on track
[13:31] <J-_> GiddyGlipper: S&D?
[13:31] <GiddyGlipper> J-_, ?
[13:31] <J-_> I thought Beta was already Beta?
[13:31] <J-_> GiddyGlipper: Stupid windows program. I'm surprised I remember the name. Had to think about it.
[13:31] <GiddyGlipper> the topic should be amended to mention beta imo
[13:32] <mthode> available to the public
[13:32] <GiddyGlipper> J-_, what is the name? is there a teatimer for windows?
[13:32] <mthode> I agree on the topic change
[13:33] <J-_> GiddyGlipper: S&D, Search and Destroy. But I'm pretty sure windows programs are offtopic. =)
[13:33] <orkun> hey there firefox runs perfectly on gutsy(v3 and v2) - with hardy scrolling is REALLY jerky and slow. if i keep scrolling cpu1 goes to about 90%(oscillating) and cpu2 to about 40%(diagram looks like a mountain). surfing is no fun right now. im not talking about japanese ads in youtube. i am talking about search results @ google. smooth scrolling is disabled any hints?
[13:33] <lethalamby> ne vim expert over here :)
[13:33] <orkun> i messed around with gtk2 to install global menu a little. rest should be clean and unbloated
[13:34] <h3sp4wn> orkun: There is the thing for /etc/environment that disables pango
[13:35] <DanaG> Okay, even my power button is broken.  Great.
[13:35] <hwilde> anybody have a resolution for   BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[13:35] <DanaG> And no events are reaching anywhere, even if I cat the bare device, or tail acpid log.
[13:35] <J-_> uh oh, that's not good
[13:36] <orkun> thanks trying out disabling pango h3sp4wn, but i read at google that it is only a minor performance tweak
[13:36] <DanaG> I unloaded button; if I quit within, say, 10 seconds, then reloading it has worked.
[13:36] <DanaG> Nope.  No power button.
[13:36] <DanaG> Correction: it sees the button but does nothing.
[13:36] <mohkohn> It seems when I boot into the new kernel I get cryptsetup: source device bladiblah not found
[13:37] <DanaG> Lid doesn't work, either.  Nor does brightness.
[13:37] <mohkohn> is it possible that a module for dm-crypt is not loading with the 2.6.24-12-386?
[13:37] <DanaG> This issue goes deper than gnome; right now, I'm going to bed rather than dealing with it.
[13:37] <lungten> hi everyone, what time is hardy beta getting released?
[13:37] <DanaG> Good night.!.
[13:37] <lethalamby> good ques lungten
[13:37] <lethalamby> what date
[13:37] <mthode> it seems more like dm-crypt is not recognising your device
[13:38] <h3sp4wn> Only solution I found for that was use AcceleratedX
[13:38] <lungten> its supposed to be today AFAIK
[13:38] <J-_> !release
[13:38] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[13:38] <J-_> darn =\
[13:38] <orkun> okay metacity --replace solves it for firefox.(totally) so firefox 3 at hardy conflicts with compiz and did not with gutsy(it is an improvement by a factor of 20 at least) - has pango anything to do with compiz?
[13:38] <mthode> ya, later today, I just want it on my laptop
[13:38] <mohkohn> mthode, was tht comment for me?
[13:38]  * J-_ has hardy on the lappy.
[13:39] <mthode> mohkohn yes
[13:39] <h3sp4wn> orkun: dunno (or really care) about compiz
[13:40] <mohkohn> I can boot into 2.6.24-1
[13:40] <orkun> `maybe better this way :>
[13:40] <mthode> compiz adds a little functionality but not much
[13:40] <orkun> but just too beautiful :>
[13:40] <h3sp4wn> Well at least until it uses my video card effectively
[13:40] <richard__> beta 1 fever!!! :D
[13:40] <orkun> for me it is the difference between windows and linux :) the thing i miss at redmond :>
[13:41] <mthode> same here richard__
[13:41] <richard__> :D
[13:41] <orkun> by the way with hardy my speakers stop automatically when plugging in headphones! nice. worked on years for any way stopping the speakers with gutsy. so does fullscreen with flash work now :>
[13:41] <mohkohn> So what might be a work around. Boot into the 2.6.24-1-generic and edit a file to tell the 2.6.24-12 to load the modules?
[13:41] <richard__> orkun, hotplugging doesnt work for me, but fullscreen flash does
[13:42] <richard__> too bad rendering is painfully slow when in fullscreen
[13:42] <h3sp4wn> mohkohn: The workaround probably involves taking both initramfs's appart with - gzip and cpio
[13:42] <richard__> flash in general is really slow in linux
[13:42] <h3sp4wn> If its just like a missing module then there is a quite easy manual fix (/etc/initramfs-tools/modules)
[13:43] <mthode> WE NEED BETTER SUPPORT ADOBE
[13:43] <h3sp4wn> We don't really
[13:44] <orkun> yes but i noticed huge improvements :>
[13:44] <mthode> it would be nice to have a nice flash player that doesnt lock up a computer when playing fullscreen
[13:44] <h3sp4wn> Look at acrobat reader
[13:44] <mthode> xpdf?
[13:44] <h3sp4wn> or any of the alternatives are better in 90% of cases
[13:44] <orkun> i think he means it is the same thing with acroread :>
[13:45] <mthode> if more people help out with gnash that would work
[13:45] <orkun> programm performance very slow. rendering speed maybe a little bit faster. but i still stick to evince :>
[13:45] <richard__> documents = yawn
[13:45] <orkun> teach me programming - i will help :)
[13:45] <GiddyGlipper> bring on the beta
[13:45] <GiddyGlipper> beta ! beta ! beta !
[13:46] <richard__> GO GO BETA FEVER!
[13:46] <richard__> :D
[13:46] <h3sp4wn> The Sun plugin for flash is rock solid
[13:46] <h3sp4wn> (I think su
[13:46] <h3sp4wn> n forces it to be properly tested or gets the code or something
[13:47] <richard__> sun plugin = solaris only?
[13:47] <h3sp4wn> yep
[13:47] <rpedro> will I get kicked if I ask when beta coming out?
[13:47] <richard__> TODAY! :D
[13:47] <richard__> join the beta fever squad! :D
[13:48] <rpedro> :P
[13:48] <mthode> we should start a club
[13:49] <vistakiller> when the beta comes?
[13:49] <h3sp4wn> I think Canocial should start a similar scheme to Sun has where they pay for people to go in and fix their software to work properly (but keeping it non free)
[13:49] <mthode> soon
[13:49] <lungten> very soon.
[13:50] <Pici> !f5
[13:50] <ubotu> Remember that every time you hit refresh, Canonical is wasting money, bandwidth, and CPU time serving your request instead of doing useful things like uploading the image or paying for ShipIt disks.  Please do so sparingly.
[13:50] <vistakiller> :P
[13:50] <h3sp4wn> Those things are of questionable value
[13:50] <tgillespie> hi all, is rhytmbox broken for anyone else?
[13:51] <GiddyGlipper> hit refresh on microsoft's site instead
[13:51] <GiddyGlipper> tgillespie, upgrade to banshee
[13:51] <orkun> no tgillespie works like a charm
[13:51] <tgillespie> darn
[13:51] <orkun> any upgrades on banshee?
[13:51] <h3sp4wn> The thing is for the most part you will just be hitting your isp's netcache anyway
[13:51] <henkjan> isp's netcache?
[13:52] <mthode> isp cache the web to make it cheaper on themselves
[13:52] <richard__> banshee eh... need to see how well that works with my player
[13:52] <mthode> I'm just refreshing the ftp servers
[13:52] <richard__> vs amarok and its podcast sync magic
[13:52] <GiddyGlipper> h3sp4wn, what is this isp cache you speak of?
[13:53] <GiddyGlipper> h3sp4wn, thanks to tor,  my isp caches nothing, unless it's encrypted
[13:53] <h3sp4wn> I only worked for 2 different ones but both used transparant caching
[13:53] <orkun> GiddyGlipper: has banshee finally got a plugin to clean up the library? i mean the programm is awesome but without any rhythmbox-like categories like artist or album in the library for me it is simply useless
[13:53] <mthode> they use transparent proxies and cache the most commonly accessed data
[13:53] <GiddyGlipper> orkun, You may be better answered on #banshee, or irc.gnome.org, #banshee
[13:54] <h3sp4wn> Its usually done in hardware though with netapps / netcaches (or was)
[13:54] <GiddyGlipper> h3sp4wn, they can smell my onion layers :)
[13:55] <henkjan> mthode: most isp's dont
[13:55] <mohkohn> Will drinking Anghor Beer help me solve the dm-crypt program or just make me feel better about it?  :)
[13:55] <GiddyGlipper> mohbana, why not try truecrypt?
[13:55] <Galga> whus the command to install java vm, sudo apt-get install ?????
[13:55] <mthode> really, I thought they did
[13:56] <h3sp4wn> henkjan: How many have you seen ? (i worked at 3 and they all did)
[13:56] <henkjan> h3sp4wn: i'm working at an isp and we don't
[13:56] <mthode> mohkohn most definitely
[13:56] <h3sp4wn> maybe its no longer economical
[13:56] <henkjan> h3sp4wn: afaik most dutch isp's dont
[13:56] <henkjan> h3sp4wn: most have an proxy wich u can use
[13:56] <mohkohn> GiddyGlipper, I think you mean me. Truecrypt does have some value. It is now crossplatform with linux, osx and windoze
[13:56] <mohkohn> But to my knowledge it does not do full disk encryption.
[13:57] <henkjan> h3sp4wn: but with todays broadband connections its not that usefull anymore
[13:57] <mthode> only on windows does it do full disk encryption atm but they are fixing that I think
[13:57] <GiddyGlipper> mohbana, oh, sorry. :) It does fde on windows only atm as far as I know
[13:57] <h3sp4wn> henkjan: Most isp's still give crap latency even now
[13:57] <mthode> I know aol still uses cacheing
[13:57] <tgillespie> actually no, its my sound thats broken, i get "audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument"when trying to play sound..... anyone got any ideas?
[13:57] <henkjan> aol....
[13:58] <henkjan> h3sp4wn: not that i'm aware of in the netherlands
[13:58] <mthode> they are a big company but are going down
[13:58] <mohkohn> Although you could run one os, create a hidden volume and run your os in virtualbox
[13:58] <mthode> we should throw a party when they go offline
[13:58] <h3sp4wn> henkjan: compare a consumer connection to an 8mb baseband
[13:59] <richard__> hm...
[13:59] <richard__> slow?
[14:00] <h3sp4wn> Nope just really poor latency
[14:00] <h3sp4wn> and up and down are not the same
[14:01] <mthode> we need more synchronous connection imo
[14:01] <sebbar> hi, kubuntu 8.04 isn't out yet, is it?
[14:02] <GiddyGlipper> sebbar, that depends, are you going 88 miles per hour?
[14:02] <richard__> sebbar, beta 1 fever!!
[14:02] <indomiti> after upgradring to hardy it does no longer mount ntfs volumes from usb-drives..... any fix?
[14:03] <mthode> do you have 1.21 jiggawatts?
[14:03] <indomiti> i have a 500gb usb drive, with 400gb reiserfs and ~100gb ntfs partitions...
[14:04] <sebbar> GiddyGlipper: miles, what's that? :)
[14:05] <mthode> sebbar: 141.622272 kph
[14:07] <sebbar> mthode: ah ok thanks. not right now, maybe tomorrow on the german autobahn :)
[14:07] <Galga> indomiti: you have to open the drive using some windows env, and then click show all files. there will be .bmp file approx 260 kb or so. when you will view it, it will show a long black bar, having stupid icons. once you are sure you have the right one found. delete it. then empty trash bin. message will say do u want to delete 2 files, click yes. after that you will be able to mount the partition. I am not sure whether this trick will work for you,
[14:07] <mthode> ok lol
[14:08] <r0ll3> hi. i have a problem. i try to translate it in english: "E: the package linux-headers-2.6.24-8 have to be reinstalled, but i can't find an archive." can anybody help me please?
[14:10] <r0ll3> i try to make a dist-upgrade but everytime i get this error...
[14:12] <mthode> is hardy gonna support ext4?
[14:13] <rsk> mthode: ext4 is still in development so i dont think soo
[14:14] <rsk> filesystem is kinda critical.. dont want that broken :)
[14:14] <bazhang> LTS with ext4? o_0
[14:15] <mthode> I know that fedora 9 is coming out with it
[14:15] <orvokki> Heh, isn't Fedora mostly the test-bed for RHEL? :P
[14:15] <mthode> yes lol
[14:15] <orvokki> It's allowed to be buggy.
[14:15] <jimqode> not mostly, that what fedora is all about :)
[14:16] <mthode> the next version of RHEL will include it too
[14:17] <bazhang> umm #fedora then?
[14:17] <jimqode> the next version of RHEL will include it if it works :)
[14:17] <mthode> of course
[14:19] <h3sp4wn> Its no more buggy than ubuntu
[14:19] <jimqode> I don't think releasing beta stuff with LTS release is a good idea.
[14:19] <h3sp4wn> and they fix stuff in the released version
[14:19] <mthode> probably in the next lts release
[14:20] <stefano_> the youtube plugin for totem doesnt work anymore, or, to be precise, totem doesnt want to play the videos, it says i don't have sufficient rights to play them
[14:20] <h3sp4wn> I dunno to do those things requires more people being paid to do them
[14:20] <jimqode> setting up package sacks... ... ... ... ... :)
[14:21] <jimqode> stefano_, there is a bug report for that in launchpad
[14:21] <oxigen> Non, je ne regrette rien
[14:21] <stefano_> jimqode, i'll look it up thanks
[14:22] <Galga> i have installed jre6, but firefox is still unable to use it ? am i missing somethin
[14:23] <Galga> reboot ?
[14:23] <oxigen> reboot!
[14:23] <Lamego> reboot will not do anything with firefox
[14:23] <oxigen> that always help if you use windows
[14:24] <Galga> hmm
[14:24] <oxigen> :)
[14:24] <Galga> so what are my options then ?
[14:24] <oxigen> aaa jre6!?
[14:24] <Galga> yup
[14:24] <oxigen> java, huh?
[14:24] <oxigen> that sucks
[14:25] <oxigen> i can't run it either
[14:25] <Galga> lol
[14:25] <oxigen> this is 5 years old bug!
[14:25] <oxigen> sun sucks
[14:25] <fw0127> adf
[14:25] <jimqode> can't be. Java is working on my gutsy
[14:26] <jimqode> I didn't try it on hardy though
[14:26] <oxigen> 32bit huh?
[14:26] <BeBoo_> Galga: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/firefox-linux.html#install-java
[14:26] <Galga> oxigen: yes
[14:26] <jimqode> yup. working on 32 here
[14:27] <oxigen> http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4802695
[14:27] <BeBoo_> ya know, google is a great resource when you actually use it... that page was teh first result when i searched for "firefox linux jre"
[14:27] <oxigen> 14-JAN-2003 :/
[14:27] <mthode> lol
[14:27] <jimqode> But IRC also is a great resource when you whine :P
[14:27] <oxigen> yea, i can run it on 32 bit FF too
[14:28] <BeBoo_> lol jimqode
[14:28] <BeBoo_> that's all people do on here
[14:28] <BeBoo_> whine, bitch, moan and complain
[14:28] <BeBoo_> lol
[14:28] <oxigen> :)
[14:28] <oxigen> that's why are we here!
[14:28] <BeBoo_> yup
[14:28] <oxigen> annoying bug reporters!
[14:28] <oxigen> noobs
[14:28] <savvas> why.. thank you :p
[14:29] <oxigen> & savvas is our hero!
[14:29] <savvas> lol
[14:29] <savvas> you'll be hearing less from once this baby goes stable
[14:29] <savvas> *from me
[14:30] <oxigen> :) cool!
[14:30] <onlinelli> Hi everyone, I'm trying to do the upgrade from gutsy to hardy - but I'm stuck at installing the linux-headers... can anyone please give me a hint on troubleshooting?
[14:30]  * oxigen hugs savvas
[14:30] <savvas> onlinelli: can you give us a hint of the problem? :)
[14:31] <oxigen> onlinelli: do fresh install man, that's at least tested enough..
[14:31] <onlinelli> im stuck here:
[14:31] <onlinelli> Entpacke Ersatz für discover1 ...
[14:31] <onlinelli> Wähle vormals abgewähltes Paket linux-headers-2.6.24-12.
[14:31] <oxigen> oOo
[14:31] <oxigen> kemeletme cuncokat hunderege o kishtulo
[14:32] <jimqode> Wasn't this an english only channel?
[14:32] <oxigen> -> hu ubuntu
[14:32] <Pici> yes
[14:32] <jimqode> oops that was the message. sorry :)
[14:32] <oxigen> ubuntu is international!
[14:32] <GiddyGlipper> jimqode, sometimes i can't tell if it's a foreign language or the strong tea
[14:32] <Pici> !en
[14:32] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[14:32] <onlinelli> haha
[14:33] <oxigen> :) pici ok, ok, we love you too!
[14:33] <Pici> :)
[14:33] <jimqode> GiddyGlipper, or too much radition from crt monitors
[14:33] <RainCT> Hey
[14:33] <jimqode> GiddyGlipper, radiation even
[14:34] <GiddyGlipper> jimqode, did you know crts were intentional? to paint the people so they would show up anywhere/everywhere
[14:34] <Skiessi> today is the beta release day?
[14:34] <oxigen> it is?! beta!
[14:34] <oxigen> yeepee!
[14:34] <GiddyGlipper> jimqode, with radiation
[14:34] <jimqode> GiddyGlipper, I'm a marked man now
[14:34] <jimqode> No. I think 30th is the beta release day
[14:34] <bazhang> 27th
[14:35] <Skiessi> why there isn't anything about beta in the topic?... or is this inaccurate? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[14:35] <oxigen> we'll get full of new packages then! \o/
[14:35] <bazhang> beta freeze today
[14:35] <oxigen> gimme new glibc7!
[14:36] <mthode>  21
[14:36] <mthode> 	
[14:36] <mthode> March 13th
[14:36] <mthode> 	
[14:36] <mthode> 	
[14:36] <mthode> 	
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[14:36] <mthode> 22
[14:36] <mthode> 	
[14:36] <mthode> March 20th
[14:36] <mthode> 	
[14:36] <bazhang> !paste
[14:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:36] <oxigen> huh
[14:37] <jimqode> That was a bit intense. maybe he didn't know about pastebin?
[14:37] <bazhang> mmm nice! moved it up a week!
[14:37] <mthode> linky link is linked https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[14:37] <oxigen> you are fast Pici! how you can do that? do you use xchat?
[14:37] <bazhang> we can click the link no need to paste it here
[14:37] <mthode> probably a setting on the server for flood control
[14:37] <Pici> oxigen: No, irssi.  I have aliases setup to op me and then do some action, mute/ban/kick/ etc.
[14:38] <Pici> mthode: no, it was me.
[14:38] <RainCT> bazhang: beta freeze ends today
[14:38] <mthode> nice
[14:38] <oxigen> i need 7 minutes to set ban in xchat
[14:38] <mthode> lol
[14:38] <jimqode> oxigen, you can always make aliases
[14:38] <oxigen> huh, how?
[14:38] <MenZa> Am I the only one whose python-wxgtk2.8 package is borked?
[14:38]  * oxigen is irc noob too!
[14:38] <MenZa> brb.
[14:39] <oxigen> hurry up!
[14:39] <jimqode> oxigen, tcp or perl plugin for xchat
[14:39] <jimqode> tcl even
[14:39] <oxigen> oh, perl...
[14:40] <GiddyGlipper> jimqode, google stasi radiation painting tagging, interesting stuff
[14:40] <hwilde> umm I've got BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!    so I guess that package is also borked for me.
[14:40] <oxigen> did you see song 99 bottles written in perl?
[14:41] <jimqode> there was a web site with 99 bottles written in every computer language
[14:41] <mthode> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[14:41] <Four23619> Any idea how much longer until Hardy beta?
[14:41] <oxigen> check THIS out! http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-perl-737.html
[14:42] <jpatrick> Four23619: been prepared I think
[14:42] <oxigen> you can paste this in file.pl and try
[14:42] <Four23619> Cool.
[14:42] <oxigen> & it work!
[14:42] <Skiessi> !utc
[14:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about utc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:42] <mthode> just needs to be put on the servers
[14:42] <GiddyGlipper> jimqode, "The Stasi files reveal that dissidents were labelled with radioactive substances in a number of ways. If people could not be sprayed with a radioactive solution the spies would label their cars, documents or paper money, Becker reports.
[14:42] <GiddyGlipper>  A favourite radio-nuclide was the beta and gamma emitter scandium-46. If floors in dissident meeting rooms were treated, he says, the Stasi could follow anybody who attended. And the Stasi also developed an airgun that could fire radio-labelled silver wire into a car tyre from 25 metres away."
[14:42] <Pici> !ot | GiddyGlipper
[14:42] <ubotu> GiddyGlipper: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[14:43] <GiddyGlipper> sorry
[14:43] <clusty> any1 here using vmplayer under hardy?
[14:43] <Galga> mplayer yes :)
[14:43] <clusty> Galga, very funny :D
[14:43] <Skiessi> I tried but then I had to mess around with the modules, but I didn't
[14:43] <oxigen> guys i can tell you that is very hard in hardy to import old mails from 2001
[14:44] <clusty> Skiessi, well it wont work with the new kernel
[14:44] <Skiessi> yeah
[14:44] <clusty> oxigen, still netscape stuff?
[14:44] <oxigen> yeah :/
[14:44] <clusty> any important emails from 2001?
[14:44] <oxigen> it looks we have bug in thunderbird!
[14:45] <oxigen> clusty: yea, i have all porfolio in there :(
[14:45] <clusty> oxigen, you an artist?
[14:45] <oxigen> not all but... important
[14:45] <oxigen> clusty: artist! :)
[14:45] <clusty> joking
[14:45] <bazhang> heh coming soon
[14:46] <oxigen> i can draw nice frogs and spiders!
[14:46] <clusty> oxigen, and happy stickmen
[14:46] <clusty> :D
[14:46] <clusty> now really. what kind of portofol;io?
[14:47] <oxigen> some advertising i need to show to one guy who want to pay me good
[14:47] <clusty> now you have a reason to dig deep :D
[14:47] <clusty> money/gals or rock 'n roll
[14:47] <clusty> :D
[14:48] <clusty> make the world go round
[14:48] <oxigen> dang, i'll ask him if i can skip that one, because i use only linux now..
[14:49] <clusty> can't you like wine the windoes ancient netscape?
[14:49] <oxigen> doh, i hate wine
[14:49] <clusty> so you would rather lose 1/2 day than use wine?
[14:50] <oxigen> i want normal import! i'm hardy user now!
[14:50] <oxigen> it's 2008 already! :)
[14:50] <oxigen> wine is evil!
[14:50] <locomo> really? i was sure 2029
[14:51] <Skiessi> :I
[14:51] <Skiessi> *:|
[14:51] <oxigen> wine is probably invented by some evil corporation
[14:51] <Skiessi> umm why
[14:52] <locomo> what you mean? linux should patent breakage?
[14:52] <oxigen> to track your warez!
[14:52] <Skiessi> :o umm what?
[14:52] <Four23619> Wine is awesome.
[14:52] <oxigen> users run warez usually with wine
[14:53] <Pici> !piracy
[14:53] <ubotu> piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[14:53] <scizzo-> hmmm wine is planing the release for 1.0.0 in 6th of june according to the release notes on 0.9.57
[14:53] <Four23619> Everyhting I run with Wine, I legaly own.
[14:53] <Skiessi> anyway, oxigen, did you have some sort of problem?
[14:53] <oxigen> no, i dont use wine
[14:53] <orvokki> Also Wine conversations belong to #winehq
[14:53] <oxigen> i'm clean as angel!
[14:53] <orvokki> Or even #winehq-social or whatever it was.
[14:53] <clusty> i also done use wine
[14:53] <oxigen> gpl only
[14:54] <clusty> i use vmware :D
[14:54] <clusty> and i agree wine blows
[14:54] <oxigen> stallman is my guru!
[14:54] <h3sp4wn> oxigen: I don't believe you
[14:54] <oxigen> it's true!
[14:54] <clusty> oxigen, who's he?
[14:54] <h3sp4wn> X isn't under the GPL
[14:54] <Four23619> It isn't?
[14:54] <oxigen> stallman!?
[14:55] <oxigen> http://www.stallman.org
[14:55] <oxigen> who dont know who stallman is should not use ubuntu at all!
 you one of these religious fanatics?
[14:56] <clusty> stallman looks like a linux guerilla guy
[14:56] <clusty> :D
[14:56] <h3sp4wn> stallman has publicly stated he hates ubuntu
[14:56] <oxigen> :)
[14:56] <oxigen> nah..
[14:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> oxigen, i wish i dont know who he is
[14:56] <h3sp4wn> binary blobs in the kernel
[14:56] <oxigen> [Hardy]TuTUXG: why???!!!??
[14:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> oxigen, he's a toll
[14:57] <oxigen> oh? :)
[14:57] <oxigen> what do you mean?
[14:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> troll*
[14:57] <GiddyGlipper> if this keeps up, i'll go back to talking about stasi and radiation ;P
[14:57] <h3sp4wn> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Not really
[14:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> watever
[14:58] <h3sp4wn> Think about he actually did stuff about it
[14:58] <Pici> If you want to talk randomly, #ubuntu-offtopic is the place to go. Not here.
[14:58] <h3sp4wn> like wrote gcc and emac
[14:58] <oxigen> stallman has publicly stated he hates ubuntu?
[14:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so he turned into a troll
[14:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> he hates linux in general
[14:58] <scizzo-> [Hardy]TuTUXG: do not talk like that about stallman
[14:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> he said it's GNU/Linux not linux
[14:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> am i wrong?
[14:59] <h3sp4wn> Fortunately because of that the Linux will eventually be replaced
[15:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and where is Hurd or GNU/Hurd?
[15:01] <h3sp4wn> nexenta is getting better if they got the nvidia drivers working when OSS4 is merged to Solaris
[15:01] <Pici> Ahem.
[15:01] <h3sp4wn> then they will be no reason anymore
[15:01] <richard__> BETA FEVER!!
[15:01] <orvokki> I would seriously recommend listening to Pici.
[15:01] <bazhang> what is the /topic?
[15:02] <bazhang> has this become #ubuntu-offtopic?
[15:02] <Pici> I realize that this channel isn't very busy, but its still not an offtopic channel.
[15:02]  * scizzo- agrees with Pici 
[15:03] <Pici> I can't tell one person not to talk about radation poisoning (or whatever that was) and then allow someone else to rant about why RMS is a troll.
[15:03] <h3sp4wn> Is Nexenta offtopic ?
[15:03] <bazhang> aye
[15:03] <h3sp4wn> (I would help them if it was with apt etc)
[15:03] <orkun> hey there. is there any change 8.04 and 7.10 handled my intel card? my onboard intel is being used with the module intel_agp and i experience video issues right now
[15:04] <h3sp4wn> bazhang: fluxbuntu ?
[15:04] <orkun> its a mobile graphics adapter 945
[15:04] <levmatta> hello all, I am having problems suspending my Hardy Alpha6 on a Dell Inspiron 1525
[15:04] <h3sp4wn> Both are ubuntu plus changes
[15:05] <bazhang> orkun: I have that same card and the difference between gutsy and hardy is extreme ;]
[15:05] <XceII> I have only 1 question: How do and or can I make my audio louder.
[15:05] <XceII> in hardy
[15:06] <scizzo-> has anyone else been experiencing problems with dual monitors being detected in alpha 6? I have 1 samsung 226CW (not in list but 226BW is) and 1 SyncMaster 920T but only the 226CW is detected in the graphics tools....
[15:06] <bazhang> sorry h3sp4wn I thought nexenta was solaris
[15:07] <h3sp4wn> bazhang: Solaris kernel
[15:07] <leftyfb> so does anyone know if there will be more updates for people running alpha 6 today or will the beta release just be alpha6 + the updates we have already?
[15:07] <Pici> Any non Hardy questions are offtopic
[15:07] <bazhang> h3sp4wn: just dont mention radiation..oops
[15:07] <scizzo-> leftyfb: probably package updates if you use the alpha 6 already
[15:07] <h3sp4wn> When does it cease to be hardy ?
[15:07] <orkun> any progress on that bazhang? i cannot scroll with firefox :(
[15:07] <orkun> too slow :>
[15:07] <scizzo-> leftyfb: the main changes will be on the CD/DVD if there is any "major" code changes
[15:08] <orkun> turning off compiz helps for me. but i cannot miss expose and zoom
[15:08] <bazhang> well orkun I am using kubuntu-kde4, so your gnome (presumably) experience might be a lot different--but thus far it is superb in all ways
[15:09] <orkun> so yours works even better than with gutsy?
[15:09] <XceII> ya, my hardy is and has resolved all my issues with compiz
[15:09] <bazhang> orkun: also I'm not using compiz as kde4 has the open gl goodness built in ;]
[15:09] <scizzo-> leftyfb: you will probably notice later tonight when the release is out
[15:09] <XceII> works great
[15:09] <levmatta> my compiz-fusion Negative feature is all messed up, besides that compiz is fine
[15:09] <XceII> and firefox, is very speedy
[15:09] <levmatta> any one on fixing my suspend ????
[15:10] <orkun> same for me but scrolling with firefox AND opera has become impossible
[15:10] <h3sp4wn> bazhang: Does kubuntu still use pulseaudio ?
[15:10] <bazhang> orkun: the wireless, the video, the startup, suspend, hibernate, they all just amaze (never had the last two ever, on any distro)
[15:10] <orkun> everything else has been resolved thanks to hardy :>
[15:10] <XceII> ya, i have a feeling that hardy is going to set some standards for the linux community.
[15:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> levmatta, only suspend not working? how about hibernate?
[15:11] <levmatta> bazhang: my wireless required a lot of work to run
[15:11] <orkun> yes same for me... pc speakers work(woohoo). but "metacity --replace" feels soo freee... unless i want to change my window :>
[15:11] <bazhang> levmatta: as this is still alpha/beta; it is mostly fixit diy--bug hunting and reporting
[15:11] <levmatta> hibernate works
[15:11] <ader11> Is there a wma decoder available? I'd prefer mp3 or ogg
[15:11] <h3sp4wn> ader11: You can buy one from fluendo
[15:11] <levmatta> g-p-m suspend failed it says
[15:11] <XceII> Good day folks.
[15:11] <bazhang> !hi
[15:11] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[15:12] <levmatta> I looovvvee Hardy
[15:12] <orkun> then im gonna say hello to launchpad
[15:12] <orkun> thanks for any help :>
[15:12] <bazhang> it truly rocks
[15:12] <St0n3-C0l> hmm
[15:12] <St0n3-C0l> is hardy beta out?
[15:12] <bazhang> read the /topic
[15:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> beta is "coming soon"
[15:12] <ader11> h3sp4wn: Do you know of any freely available ones?
[15:12] <mthode> soon
[15:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> as on topic
[15:13] <h3sp4wn> ader11: Dunno ffmpeg can do it
[15:13] <bazhang> ader11: the medibuntu codecs for gutsy work with hardy for now
[15:13] <levmatta> on a side note when the beta/final version does come out can I just apt-get dist-upgrade ???
[15:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> levmatta, there is a bug with compiz and suspend
[15:13] <jane_> ader11, yes i use the medibuntu too
[15:13] <h3sp4wn> But just comparing the gstreamer mp3 plugin from fluendo (that is free) against the normal gstreamer one
[15:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> levmatta, no u dont need
[15:14] <bazhang> levmatta: you have it already instaled? then just keep updating
[15:14] <h3sp4wn> If I had alot of wma I would buy it
[15:14] <St0n3-C0l> hmm
[15:14] <St0n3-C0l> Guys...how much memory is recommended for Hardy? I've 256mb ?
[15:14] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> or convert them with itunes
[15:14] <St0n3-C0l> I am thinking to try out Alpha today ;)
[15:14] <levmatta> [Hardy]TuTUXG: how can I check if this bug is the problem. In the  message file it just says "suspend failed"
[15:14] <Skiessi> levmatta, if you're using already the hardy repository, dist-upgrade only
[15:15] <h3sp4wn> Skiessi: Probably not very wise
[15:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> levmatta, i really dont know..
[15:15] <Skiessi> huh why?
[15:15] <h3sp4wn> St0n3-C0l: ^^
[15:15] <bazhang> 384MB for Hardy was it? or 512 now?
[15:15] <h3sp4wn> sorry
[15:15] <levmatta> I will try to disable Compiz-Fusion and give it a try
[15:15] <Skiessi> h3sp4wn, why?
[15:15] <St0n3-C0l> noo :(
[15:16] <St0n3-C0l> 384mb :'(
[15:16] <St0n3-C0l> RAM ?
[15:16] <levmatta> thanks, people I will try things out and come back
[15:16] <h3sp4wn> my tab completion failed me but dist-upgrade implies apt-get (or not reading the aptitude docs recently)
[15:16] <h3sp4wn> St0n3-C0l: On that hardware I would go for FreeBSD 7
[15:16] <Belisarivs> Hi all.
[15:16] <St0n3-C0l> h3sp4wn: I am running Gutsy fine :) and for lnog time
[15:16] <St0n3-C0l> long*
[15:17] <St0n3-C0l> I've dedicated 1.5 GB swap
[15:17] <Belisarivs> Why does upgrade to Hardy remove restricted-manager?
[15:17] <Skiessi> it has a new program for that
[15:17] <MenZa> Am I the only one whose python-wxgtk2.8 package is borked?
[15:17] <ader11> thank you, h3sp4wn, bazhang, and jane_
[15:17] <bazhang> all the drivers are now open source?
[15:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> MenZa, i got that too
May I ask which one?
[15:17] <bazhang> MenZa: yeah same here
[15:18] <MenZa> [Hardy]TuTUXG: ah ok - as long as it isn't just me.
[15:18] <Skiessi> jockey
[15:18] <h3sp4wn> St0n3-C0l: You could probably get much better use of your memory with bsd
[15:18] <clusty> oxigen, with all due respect, stallman looks like a wacko
[15:18] <clusty> he goes over board
[15:18] <bazhang> clsuty offtopic
[15:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> MenZa, it's installed, just apt-get complains stuff
[15:18] <Belisarivs> I use Intel 3945 wifi tard, so it needs proprietary firmware.
[15:18] <bazhang> clusty even
[15:18] <St0n3-C0l> h3sp4wn: Hmm...but i've long associated with deb :( I am sort of in Love :D
[15:19] <Skiessi> !info jockey-gtk
[15:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, lol but well said
[15:19] <ubotu> jockey-gtk (source: jockey): GNOME user interface and desktop integration for driver management. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 6 kB, installed size 96 kB
[15:19] <St0n3-C0l> h3sp4wn: I will give BSD a try, but my cd-rw is out of order. Is there any other way? Floppy?
[15:19] <clusty> [Hardy]TuTUXG, works suspend?
[15:19] <bazhang> net install
[15:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, sort of, switch to tty doesnt help tho
[15:19] <h3sp4wn> St0n3-C0l: Probably - take a look at the Freebsd handbook
[15:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, have to do switch user then suspend
[15:20] <h3sp4wn> St0n3-C0l: Its actually accurate and well written (as even are the manpages)
[15:20] <clusty> [Hardy]TuTUXG, no clue
[15:20] <St0n3-C0l> Hmm oki thanks :P
[15:20] <St0n3-C0l> h3sp4wn: Thanks
[15:20] <savvas> Does anyone have a straightforward solution to limit every output/outgoing connection on port 80 to 6 kb/s using iptables or such? (spare me the man iptables etc please, I couldn't find my way through)
[15:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> clusty, good enough, consider i havent been able to suspend for a longggg time
[15:21] <savvas> *6 kilobytes per second :P
[15:21] <levmatta> hello, I am back (I have a problem with suspend)
[15:21] <h3sp4wn> savvas: tc but its not really straight forward
[15:22] <savvas> I'm going to need the whole command :)
[15:22] <bazhang> traffic shaping with firestarter?
[15:22] <savvas> hm.. worth a shot bazhang
[15:22] <levmatta> [Hardy]TuTUXG: I tested it with and without the Compiz-Fusion and both times it worked (but my wireless is currently disabled), so I'll have to test at home
[15:22] <h3sp4wn> savvas: No way it takes me a few days to get so I can use it myself
[15:22] <bazhang> or perhaps /j #comcast ?
[15:23] <savvas> hehe :)
[15:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> levmatta, so lost wireless connection after resume?
[15:23] <bazhang> that's a joke btw
[15:23] <h3sp4wn> Its complicated and even then when everything is write the isp messes with the connection
[15:25] <levmatta> [Hardy]TuTUXG: no no, I had the problem  at home with my  Wireless ON. At work, my wireless must be OFF
[15:25] <h3sp4wn> Is there any high quality QOS things in ubuntu
[15:25] <levmatta> I have a complicated network setup, here at work
[15:26] <mthode> are we allowed swear here?
[15:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> dont know
[15:27] <hydrogen> no
[15:27] <bazhang> mthode: sure but then a quick kick/ban
[15:27] <levmatta> be polite
[15:27] <Pici> !language
[15:27] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[15:27] <mthode> you an official ubuntu guy [hardy]?
[15:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no
[15:28] <bazhang> official?
[15:28] <mthode> EXPLETIVE COMCAST
[15:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and dont swear on me
[15:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mthode, bazhang  is the op so...
[15:29] <levmatta> is the NEW default firewall going to have a GUI, I am using firestarter but it cannot handle my ever changing of network interfaces
[15:29] <mthode> QQ
[15:29] <h3sp4wn> Who is official for Ubuntu as far as I know there is no one who works for them who is not working for Canocial not Ubuntu
[15:30] <bazhang> [Hardy]TuTUXG: haha not me
[15:30]  * bazhang points to pic-i
[15:30] <mthode> lol
[15:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i want to work for canocial tho
[15:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it seems like a cool company
[15:31] <mthode> that it does
[15:31] <insomninja> (Reask from >1h ago) Is there a way to get sound working in wine? It seems to not like pulseaudio...
[15:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> insomninja, try alsa
[15:32] <bazhang> #alsa
[15:32] <bazhang> they are amazing
[15:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> amazing the bad way?
[15:32] <bazhang> haha no
[15:33] <savvas> levmatta: which new firewall?
[15:33] <levmatta> why do wee need yet another level of indirection on the sound stack (ALSA, GSTREAMER) and now Pulse???
[15:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> levmatta, pulse is cool
[15:33] <savvas> bazhang: firestarter doesn't have an option to limit bandwidth
[15:33] <levmatta> savvas: Hardy comes with a building firewall
[15:34] <savvas> levmatta: does it have a name?
[15:34] <levmatta> [Hardy]TuTUXG: G-Streamer is also very cool
[15:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> levmatta, pulse is cooler
[15:34] <h3sp4wn> bazhang: Really I need to ask them something - similar issue 4front were very helpful with
[15:34] <tgillespie> hi all, how do i get the good bash completion that was available in previous ubuntus?
[15:35] <levmatta> I guess it is really cool, bbut why? why? linux audio just seams messed up
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> Yep layers and layers of abstraction
[15:36] <tgillespie> i installed bash-completion, but it doesnt have anything that the preivous ubuntus had, such as apt-get completion and sudo completion
[15:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> levmatta, someone made the decision, ppl have to follow even if it maybe not a good one
[15:36] <bazhang> h3sp4wn: aye; and so many folks in #ubuntu feel like they are being shunted off when directed to #alsa or #compiz, but they are very good
[15:36] <Artimus> tgillespie: Install bash-completion and edit /etc/bash/bash.bashrc and uncomment the bash-completion lines
[15:37] <h3sp4wn> bazhang: My ice17?? issues are still not fixed years later
[15:37] <levmatta> Why bash-completion does not come as default??
[15:37] <tgillespie> Artimus ah thats great thanks, is it a bug that ts not there by default?
[15:37] <bazhang> h3sp4wn: what issues are those? could you be more precise?
[15:37] <savvas> hm..
[15:37] <levmatta> I am using Fish, it is much better than Bash
[15:38] <savvas> levmatta: it seems that the new uncomplicated firewall is ufw - command line for now :)
[15:38] <tgillespie> not necessarily the package installed, but if the package is installed completion should surely be activated yes?
[15:38] <Artimus> tgillespie: I think it is...  If you look at it, it will check to see if /etc/bash_completion exists first.
[15:39] <Artimus> tgillespie: So if bash completion isn't installed, /etc/bash_completion shouldn't exist...  Unless someone install bash-completion and then removes it.  Then the config file will probably still be around
[15:39] <tgillespie> yes, but its commented out by default
[15:39] <h3sp4wn> bazhang: selecting between +4dbu and -10dbu
[15:39] <mthode> ufw is just ezmode iptables
[15:39] <tgillespie> at least on my install, which is fresh as of yesterday
[15:39] <bernier> Hi, my HDA intel soundcard is not detected in hardy, can someone help me get it working?
[15:39] <h3sp4wn> The hardware supports one somewhere in the middle also
[15:40] <Artimus> tgillespie: Correct.  There's only that one problem.  What if you remove bash-completion?  /etc/bash_completion might not be removed by apt (unless you purge the files)
[15:40] <tgillespie> Artimus good point, but surely there is another way to see if it is installed
[15:41] <savvas> bernier: find a bug report, if not one, report it: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[15:41] <tgillespie> by reading some other installed files, that are removed on removal
[15:41] <Artimus> tgillespie: Let's see what happens when I remove bash-completion without touching /etc/bash_completion.
[15:42] <Artimus> tgillespie: After uninstalling, /etc/bash_completion exists, as does bash_completion.d
[15:42] <tgillespie> Artimus what files are removed?
[15:43] <Artimus> tgillespie: Good question, I'm trying to load up Adept...
[15:44] <MenZa> Wiat, the Screena and Graphics tool isn't in Hardy?
[15:44] <MenZa> Wait*
[15:44] <rsk> MenZa: its called monitor resolution settins now :=
[15:44] <Artimus> tgillespie: /usr/share/bash/bash_completion is installed by the package and is removed when the package is uninstalled.
[15:44] <MenZa> Where?
[15:44] <Artimus> tgillespie: I'm not sure if a check like that would be allowed, though...
[15:44] <MenZa> Where can I find it*
[15:45] <rsk> or Screen resolution
[15:45] <tgillespie> Artimus why not?
[15:45] <rsk> in system preferences
[15:45] <MenZa> Well, I'm trying to configure my X, so shouldn't it be in Administration?
[15:45] <Artimus> tgillespie: It's checking for the location of a default config file.  Seems kind of...  hackish to me.
[15:46] <tgillespie> Artimus only as hackish as the way it does it now
[15:46] <tgillespie> Artimus and it works lol
[15:46] <Artimus> tgillespie: If anything, I'd have it do a double check.  IF /usr/share/bash/bash_completion exists AND IF /etc/bash_completion exists
[15:46] <mananan2> how do i change the startup disk when running ubuntu from the live cd?
[15:46] <MenZa> AH
[15:46] <MenZa> I see what the problem is
[15:46] <mananan2> anyone?
[15:47] <bohsain> in hardy, i get an error say that i may be out of diskspace, but i have enough space!!
[15:47] <Artimus> tgillespie: You going to submit a bug report about it?
[15:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mananan2, u mean boot from livecd?
[15:47] <mananan2> ya
[15:47] <mananan2> booting from live cd
[15:47] <tgillespie> Artimus yea, that could work, there must be an even better way, what happens if it sources the file when it isnt installed?
[15:47] <tgillespie> Artimus and yes i will i think
[15:48] <Artimus> tgillespie: Alright, feel free to PM me the bug report, I can put my two cents in on the report.
[15:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mananan2, u have to enable boot from cdrom from the bios
[15:48] <mananan2> mac os x
[15:48] <bazhang> mananan2: this is gutsy or hardy
[15:48] <mananan2> eh?
[15:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mananan2, macbook?
[15:48] <mananan2> mini
[15:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ctrl+c when booting
[15:49] <bazhang> mananan2: you were just asking in #ubuntu
[15:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> or ctrl+a
[15:49] <mananan2> tried that
[15:49] <mananan2> no joy
[15:49] <Kuni> sweet so beta's out?
[15:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mananan2, ya, check apple.com
[15:49] <mananan2> grub hard disk error?
[15:49] <Skiessi> Beta isn't out.
[15:49] <bazhang> Kuni: check /topic
[15:50] <MenZa> oh dear.
[15:50] <Kuni> oh
[15:50] <MenZa> gnome-display-properties is segfaulting
[15:50] <Kuni> hah, didn't see that
[15:50] <bardyr> Happy beta day :)
[15:50] <Kuni> the site's up, so I figured so was the beta
[15:50] <tgillespi1> Artimus: already a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/25096
[15:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 25096 in bash "bash completion enabled by default (or move to another package)" [Wishlist,Fix released]
[15:50] <Kuni> lol
[15:50] <Kuni> not that it really affects me, I've been on alphas since 4 anyway
[15:51] <GiddyGlipper> topic still says beta coming soon
[15:51] <bazhang> Kuni: exactly ;]
[15:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> beta is out?
[15:51] <mananan2> is there anyway of changing the startup disk when running ubuntu?
[15:51]  * Kuni facepalms
[15:51] <mananan2> yes / no?
[15:51] <moose__> was it released yesterday and then pulled or something? a couple of sites claim it's out and link to http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04 (which doesn't exist.) Maybe they are just LYING.
[15:52] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta try for yourself ;]
[15:52] <Kuni> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[15:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> YEAH
[15:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> BETA is OUT!
[15:53] <mananan2> tried apple no joy
[15:54] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mananan2, so u can get into the livecd or not?
[15:55] <Kuni> mananan2: I dunno. For me, to change disk is done in bios
[15:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Kuni, he's on a mac
[15:55] <bazhang> they have efi
[15:56] <Kuni> mananan2: but apple thinks they're too good for a bios, so I dunno.
[15:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> hahaha
[15:56] <mananan2> there is bios but i cant get at it
[15:56] <mananan2> when i startup without the live cd it keep just giving grub hard disk error
[15:57] <MenZa> I have a TwinView setup, but I'm forced to scroll on one of my screens if I want to see the full area. What gives?
[15:57] <bazhang> mananan2: this is the alpha5 disk or 4 or beta or which one?
[15:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mananan2, u installed ubuntu?
[15:58] <mananan2> no
[15:58] <bazhang> mananan2: which disk
[15:58] <mananan2> basically i cant control the ubuntu startup screen
[15:58] <bazhang> mananan2: please; which disk
[15:58] <mananan2> i cant select the option run from first hdd
[15:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mananan2, that one won't work on a mac
[15:59] <mananan2> so i'm screwed
[15:59] <bazhang> mananan2: which release version?
[15:59] <mananan2> newest 7.10
[16:00] <bazhang> heh
[16:00] <levmatta> I have inserted a comment in Bug #25096 so they verify it.
[16:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 25096 in bash "bash completion enabled by default (or move to another package)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25096
[16:00] <bazhang> #ubuntu mananan2
[16:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mananan2, 1. run the 1st option if u wanna try livecd, 2. eject live cd and boot into macosx 3. u should ask quesitons about 7.10 on #ubuntu
[16:02] <mananan2> ya but i cant do anything else
[16:02] <bazhang> wrong channel mananan2 thanks
[16:02] <mananan2> is there anyway i could select another option or change the startup disk/
[16:02] <bazhang> oy
[16:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ...
[16:03]  * enyc looks around in search of hardy beta disk ;-)
[16:03] <mananan2> i'm sure the question i ask is common to all versions
[16:03] <bazhang> not so mananan2
[16:03] <bohsain> how can i add more space from the ntfs partition in hardy?
[16:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mananan2, go to #ubuntu i will try to help u there
[16:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> bohsain, no u cant do that in hardy
[16:05] <bohsain> i have to reinstall?
[16:05] <bohsain> i didnt face this problem 'til i upgrade from 7.10
[16:06] <Seb> hrm
[16:06] <Seb> i'm trying to dist-upgrade from gutsy to hardy
[16:07] <Seb> i've gotten most of the package, but for a couple of them (the generic kernel and gimp-help, to name a few), aptitude is stuck on "0% [Waiting for headers]"
[16:07] <Skiessi> bohsain I guess you could install gparted when running from livecd if you have enough ram and then edit the partition sizes with the program
[16:07] <Seb> what does that mean ?
[16:08] <Seb> most of the packages*
[16:08] <fw0127> i have just upgrade to hardy yesterday, it happens that all menus cannt be selected by mouse, and the right button is no reaction, should i wait to the next alpha or beta version?
[16:08] <savvas> Seb: change your mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list to http://archive.ubuntu.com
[16:08] <Seb> savvas: i have done that already
[16:09] <Seb> savvas: no matter the mirror I choose, I get the same message
[16:09] <Skiessi> bohsain, and gparted may be already installed because it's kinda useful tool to run from a CD
[16:09] <Seb> savvas: and I've tried a bunch of them, both from big official mirros nere whaere I am, and also from the *ubuntu.com
[16:09] <bohsain> Skiessi: th.x
[16:10] <savvas> Seb: well you could browse the packages.ubuntu.com and download it manually in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[16:10] <bohsain> i think there's other thing wrong, it say i may be out of diskspace, and in the same time i have about 80 GB free !!
[16:10] <Seb> savvas: a bit backwards, but would probably do, indeed
[16:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what a fool
[16:11] <Seb> savvas: after waiting for a long time, it eventually says (for instance, for that package): Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic 2.6.24-12.22 Connection failed [IP: 91.189.88.31 80]
[16:11] <bazhang> [Hardy]TuTUXG: and nary a thank you
[16:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> bazhang, hehe
[16:13] <bazhang> accidentally erased osx and did not know it? o_0
[16:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> apple fanboys
[16:14] <bazhang> not so much that but just non-thinking users
[16:14] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> apple is for those ppl, that's y i bought a macbook to my gf
[16:14] <savvas> Seb: well as you can see, http://91.189.88.31/ubuntu/ is pretty much alive
[16:14] <Seb> savvas: yeah, so i'm surprised as to why it only fails for *those* packages
[16:15] <Seb> savvas: it can get to Packages/Release just fine
[16:15] <Seb> savvas: and it got the rest of them without flinching
[16:15] <Seb> savvas: and my wget is going strong right now
[16:15] <savvas> Seb: architecture? x86 or amd64?
[16:15] <Seb> savvas: so aptitude/apt-get are definitely fucking up here
[16:15] <Skiessi> bohsain, what says you may be out of diskspace?
[16:15] <Seb> savvas: x86
[16:15] <Skiessi> *disk space
[16:16] <Seb> savvas: hrm I might have to take that back, it stopped after 4,200,071 bytes
[16:17] <savvas> Seb: is your connection metered / limited to several GB per month?
[16:17] <savvas> maybe a firewall is installed.. ?
[16:17] <Seb> savvas: no firewall installed, and i don't know of any firewall that'd stop an established TCP connection after a given number of bytes, this makes no sense
[16:17] <Seb> savvas: i don't think i'm being metered either
[16:19] <Seb> savvas: i'll try with curl, and -C -
[16:20] <Seb> savvas: is there a way you know of to have apt-get/aptitude automatically attempt to resume the download of a .deb ?
[16:21] <savvas> Seb: for the sake of it, try the mirror http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com then exit and sudo aptitude update;sudo aptitude upgrade
[16:21] <savvas> Seb: i think apt does that automatically
[16:21] <Seb> savvas: i think something's wrong with that file, even curl can't seem to resume
[16:22] <Seb> savvas: would you do me a favor and try "curl http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic_2.6.24-12.22_i386.deb"
[16:22] <Seb> savvas: meanwhile i'll try the french mirror
[16:22] <savvas> ok i'm downloading
[16:22] <savvas> full 56kilobytes per second
[16:22] <Seb> heh
[16:22] <Seb> savvas: thanks a lot
[16:23] <savvas> it seems it's going fine
[16:23] <Seb> savvas: out of curiosity, why the french one ?
[16:23] <savvas> Seb: because i know it's updated and working :)
[16:23] <Seb> heh fair enough
[16:24] <savvas> 35% and still full bandwidth, should i continue? :P
[16:24] <Seb> ok then it's my connection
[16:25] <savvas> i'll take it to the end, maybe there is a problem
[16:25] <Seb> savvas: why is it i can't download the rest of this file, but i can get the first 20% of it as many times as I want ??
[16:25] <flipstar> worked here fine
[16:25] <Seb> savvas: i mean, what kind of ISP limitation is that ??
[16:26] <Seb> it's not like it's saving them anything, akaics
[16:26] <richard__> BETA FEVER! ;D
[16:27] <savvas> Seb: I would check a router/modem first, then firewall, iptables -L (or delete all the rules with iptables -F), then check if anyone is using a bittorrent, check the web/mysql/some service that maybe eats bandwidth, then check with the ISP :)
[16:27] <x1101> maybe you connection to the download is dropping briefly
[16:28] <Seb> x1101: it's always after the same exact number of bytes, so i doubt it
[16:28] <x1101> ok, your probably right then
[16:28] <Seb> savvas: all of this would be easier if it was actually my box; i'm remotely dist-upgrading a friend, and know nothing about his DSL setup :\
[16:28] <GiddyGlipper> i'm hungry for beta
[16:29] <x1101> well that doesnt help much
[16:29] <savvas> Seb: well i'd check this: sudo netstat -nep | head -n 20
[16:29] <savvas> Seb: ignore from the "Active UNIX domain sockets" line and down, check the outgoing connections
[16:30] <savvas> if he's downloading anything else, kill it :)
[16:30] <Seb> savvas: I have already done that, and apart from an IM client, nothing
[16:30] <Seb> savvas: and then again, even if he was downloading, why could I always get the first 4M of that file ?
[16:31] <x1101> the isp might have up/download cap
[16:32] <Seb> x1101: which doesn't seem to fit with the scanario i'm seeing: I'm being denied the ability to resume a large file download, but I can get the 1st 4M as many times as I want...
[16:33] <x1101> what i mean is an "at a time" up/down cap, which makes no sense, but when do ISP have to make sense
[16:33] <BunnyRevolution> Seb: wget ?
[16:33] <savvas> Seb: have you tried with wget and packages?
[16:34] <Seb> savvas: yes, as I've said i've tried with curl -C -
[16:34] <savvas> ah true
[16:34] <Seb> savvas: and it won't get *one byte* when I try to resume after those 4M have been downloaded
[16:35] <flipstar> Seb you have no problem with other packages ?
[16:35] <flipstar> (that are above 4mb)
[16:36] <savvas> Seb: well i think there are some ISPs with a burst rule, it gets a lot at first, then gets limited by time, if they don't have credits left then they don't have any download bandwidth, breaking up their downloads
[16:36] <orkun> hi - there was one part where i could select v4l 1 or v4l 2 for my webcam in the settings menu. i cannot seem to find it anymore with hardy. help?
[16:36] <jester7> the beta iso should be released today, correct?
[16:37] <savvas> this way they make sure you get nothing more than internet website browsing
[16:37] <Seb> flipstar: i'd say so, yes; gimp-help is also quite large, and seems to fail
[16:37] <Seb> savvas: i've managed to access his dsl router with links, and the'res nothing funny with his firewall, nor is QoS setup
[16:38] <flipstar> Seb can you download stuff in general from the web? or does it always fail after 4mb ?
[16:38] <savvas> Seb: try this one, with wget: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.7-9ubuntu2_i386.deb
[16:38] <GiddyGlipper> i'm hungry for beta
[16:39] <savvas> it's about 4 mb
[16:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> GiddyGlipper, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta#head-8845f7d03a79ba22bbc3993ed0ffc8395651a9a0
[16:40] <kristjan_> is there a way to limit fps in kde4 then vsync is off?
[16:40] <GiddyGlipper> [Hardy]TuTUXG, thx what does that say
[16:40] <Seb> savvas: aight
[16:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> GiddyGlipper, to dl beta
[16:41] <GiddyGlipper> [Hardy]TuTUXG, thx why hasn't topic changed?
[16:41] <Seb> savvas: worked fine
[16:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> GiddyGlipper, um..
[16:41] <savvas> Seb: now this one: wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/hardy-alternate-i386.iso
[16:41] <GiddyGlipper> it still says beta coming soon
[16:41] <Seb> heh, exponential size increase eh ? :>
[16:42] <savvas> Seb: just checking with small and big files, this one is 669mb :)
[16:42] <savvas> Seb: out of curiosity, can you tell me the port netstat told you that IM is using?
[16:43] <Seb> savvas: i've already gotten more than 6M with this one
[16:43] <Seb> savvas: this makes no fucking sense at all :(
[16:43] <Seb> savvas: 5050
[16:43] <x1101> how odd
[16:44] <Stev> GiddyGlipper: not released yet :P
[16:44] <GiddyGlipper> Stev, :)
[16:44] <savvas> Seb: keep it going
[16:44] <GiddyGlipper> i'm hungry for beta
[16:44] <savvas> Seb: until 30mb, then stop it
[16:44] <Seb> savvas: maybe theu're using a web proxy, and their cached version of the kernel package is fucked
[16:44] <Seb> savvas: i'll try to switch my sources.list to using ftp
[16:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> GiddyGlipper, eat some alpha
[16:45] <savvas> Seb: good idea :)
[16:45] <jussi01> !ohmy | Seb
[16:45] <ubotu> Seb: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[16:46] <ionstorm> is there problems with dist upgrading to hardy
[16:46] <Seb> ubotu: sorry about the language
[16:46] <savvas> Seb: wget ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic_2.6.24-12.22_i386.deb
[16:46] <ionstorm> from gutsy
[16:46] <ionstorm> its better to do a fresh install right?
[16:47] <flipstar> not necessesary
[16:47] <ionstorm> im running hardy now and my startup scripts are fuqd, im using bum to manage my startup apps
[16:47] <ionstorm> doesnt that work anymore?
[16:48] <ionstorm> or sysv-rc-conf?
[16:48] <Seb> savvas: yeah, that'll be a more meaningful test, let me try that
[16:48] <flipstar> ionstorm: sysv-rc-conf doesnt work ?
[16:49] <Seb> savvas: same exact problem
[16:49] <ionstorm> it works fine, but I had installed preload and de-activated it with sysv-rc-conf and then re-activated
[16:49] <ionstorm> didnt come back
[16:49] <Seb> savvas: can i try rsync sources
[16:49] <savvas> Seb: be my guest :) limit his bandwidth too
[16:50] <savvas> --bwlimit=50 will limit it to 50 kilobytes per second
[16:50] <Seb> savvas: i've only ever used http and ftp, is is it just perl -i -pe 's/deb .*:/deb rsync:/' ?
[16:50] <savvas> Seb: hold a sec, let's try with a single package first
[16:51] <Seb> savvas: k, then i'm trying wget through ftp, with bw limiting
[16:52] <IcemanV9> totem-gstreamer is missing x-zip decoder plugin?? i am trying to watch ncaa tourney online on hardy (all up to date 1 hr ago)
[16:52] <savvas> rsync -P --progress --bwlimit=50 archive.ubuntu.com::ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic_2.6.24-12.22_i386.deb ./
[16:52] <Seb> savvas: no dice with wget/ftp/bwlimiting
[16:53] <ionstorm> I had to update-rc,d preload defaults
[16:53] <savvas> Seb: the bw limit for wget is --limit-rate=50 :)
[16:53] <ionstorm> because sysv-rc-conf didnt reenable preload
[16:53] <ionstorm> also
[16:54] <ionstorm> i cant get bootchart to work
[16:54] <Seb> savvas: yeah, that i know ;)
[16:54] <ionstorm> it never makes an image
[16:54] <Seb> savvas: but it didn't get any further than the rest
[16:54] <ionstorm> anyone have this issue?
[16:54] <savvas> Seb: ok, try this: rsync -P --bwlimit=50 --progress archive.ubuntu.com::ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic_2.6.24-12.22_i386.deb ./
[16:54] <flipstar> ionstorm: the sysv-rc-conf is only for next boot..
[16:54] <ionstorm> flipstar, oh, how do you make the settings perm,
[16:54] <Seb> savvas: doing this now, but i'm afraid it won't work. It tried to resume and didn't go nowhere, so I removed my local (truncated) copy and started over
[16:55] <Seb> savvas: same thing
[16:55] <Seb> time to scp from a remote shell account i think
[16:55] <flipstar> ionstorm: when you set it in sysv-rc-conf it will load this on boot, not on actually running system
[16:56] <savvas> Seb: how are you connected to him? vnc ?
[16:56] <Seb> savvas: ssh
[16:56] <flipstar> Seb i would try to download local and transfer from local to the remote
[16:56] <Seb> yep, my plan
[16:56] <Seb> after that i will be running out of ideas :)
[16:56] <flipstar> good luck then :)
[16:57] <ionstorm> anyone have an issue with bootchart in hardy?
[17:01] <Seb> savvas,flipstar: heh, his ISP can't do nothing against scp :>
[17:01] <Seb> it's going string right now
[17:02] <Seb> strong*
[17:03] <asdrubal> what is the time frame on fixing linux kernel?
[17:03]  * Seb may have spoken too soon
[17:03] <Seb> stalled at 79%
[17:03] <asdrubal> Why didn't ubuntu try to get Linus to include the alsa updates? at least that way the kernel developers would fix all the problems
[17:03] <savvas> heh
[17:03] <Seb> and i don't know of any resuming cpabilities for scp :\
[17:03] <Seb> or are there any ?>
[17:04] <Seb> asdrubal: i doubt ubuntu could strong-arm linus into doing anything about the kernel, man
[17:07] <GiddyGlipper> i'm hungry for beta
[17:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> GiddyGlipper, eat some alpha
[17:07] <GiddyGlipper> [Hardy]TuTUXG, mm
[17:07] <GiddyGlipper> [Hardy]TuTUXG, k now i need beta :)
[17:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[17:08] <Galga> beta will include kernel i686 or 686 ? instead of 386 ?
[17:08] <savvas> Galga: here you go http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the generic kernel is for 686
[17:08] <savvas> you'll be the tester for beta :)
[17:08] <Galga> savvas: nice
[17:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and there is also amd64
[17:08] <Galga> savvas: thanks
[17:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> GiddyGlipper, go yell at #ubuntu-dev
[17:08] <savvas> Galga: by tester, i mean it's not official ;)
[17:10] <Galga> savvas: its ok i can understand.
[17:11] <Gnine> !topic
[17:11] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[17:12] <ader11> Is it possible to remove drm in wma
[17:12] <asdrubal> Why did ubuntu get rid of the cx88-alsa module?
[17:12] <asdrubal> now I don't get sound with my tv card
[17:12] <savvas> Seb: check if the hard disks/filesystem you're transferring to is full: df -h
[17:13] <savvas> but wait,  it went through with the 600gb
[17:13] <savvas> *mb
[17:13] <savvas> ignore that :P
[17:13] <strabes> what time is beta scheduled to be out?
[17:13] <savvas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta ;)
[17:14] <savvas> strabes: in 7 days
[17:14] <Galga> savvas: i m x-window user :). your link opens another link, which one should i downlaod :)
[17:14] <asdrubal> Does ubuntu plan on keeping cx88-alsa out of the kernel forever?
[17:14] <Gnine> digital rights management questions should be directed to ##windows
[17:14] <strabes> savvas: on the hardyheronreleaseschedule it says it's today
[17:14] <savvas> Galga: i386 or amd64 ?
[17:14] <asdrubal> because they removed the bug from launchpad
[17:14] <Galga> i386
[17:14] <asdrubal> so now nobody even knows the module is gone
[17:14] <savvas> strabes: yeah, well i mean be patient, and /topic
[17:15] <strabes> savvas: ooh ok. "coming soon"
[17:15] <Galga> i386, desktop
[17:15] <savvas> Galga: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/1428 - next to the tile there is an image with a cd and an arrow
[17:16] <GiddyGlipper> what could it mean!!
[17:16] <Galga> savvas: nice :) thats more like it.
[17:16] <GiddyGlipper> a cd and an arrow! (mysterious glances)
[17:18] <Gnine> Galga: do .torrent files when/if possible
[17:18] <Galga> wow cool dl speed, almost 400kb
[17:18] <savvas> oh for the love of god, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/1428
[17:18] <savvas> :P
[17:18] <IcemanV9> is there x-gzip decoder plugin for totem?? i got an error message that it is missing. yes, i am using totem-gstreamer.
[17:19] <GiddyGlipper> IcemanV9, totem sucks, use vlc
[17:19] <savvas> GiddyGlipper: vlc sucks, smplayer
[17:19] <Gnine> false
[17:19] <IcemanV9> GiddyGlipper: no kidding. i am trying to stay "default" as much as i can.
[17:20] <Gnine> !vlc
[17:20] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[17:20] <savvas> let people use what they like, you might not like it, opinions matter
[17:20] <Gnine> !best
[17:20] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, join #ubuntu-bots and ask there.
[17:20] <GiddyGlipper> IcemanV9, have you tried vlc? it's better
[17:20] <GiddyGlipper> savvas, indeed but perhaps he hadn't tried it yet
[17:20] <savvas> i step back then :)
[17:20] <GiddyGlipper> there is no !best but there is !better
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> savvas, then step forward
[17:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[17:21] <IcemanV9> i installed hardy past week; i am trying to see if everything works without giving up and install something else, such as, vlc, mplayer, etc ...
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> savvas, and back
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> savvas, then step forward
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> and we're dancing!
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> :D
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> IcemanV9, it's not giving up, it's upgrading
[17:21] <savvas> I'd still love hardy if they included deluge-torrent instead of transmission for bittorrent
[17:21] <omar> Guys I have a problem with the desktop, I can't see the background, nor the right-click menu, nor the icons. Please help.
[17:21] <IcemanV9> GiddyGlipper: ha. in your OWN words. ;-)
[17:22] <GiddyGlipper> IcemanV9, :)
[17:22] <savvas> and that the firewall ufw had bandwidth / traffic shaping :(
[17:23] <omar> Guys I have a problem with the desktop, I can't see the background, nor the right-click menu, nor the icons. Please help.
[17:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> omar, can u open a terminal?
[17:23] <Gnine> transmission allows to control how many leechers and how much bandwidth you share per leech
[17:24] <savvas> omar: try press alt-f2 and run: gnome-terminal
[17:24] <IcemanV9> hmm. xine would be the next step before install 3rd pty media player
[17:24] <omar> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Yes
[17:24] <savvas> omar: then: killall nautilus
[17:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> omar, on terminal, run nautilus
[17:24] <omar> I can run the teminal
[17:25] <omar> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Done
[17:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> omar, got the desktop?
[17:26] <omar> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Nope, I got the file browser
[17:26] <omar> [Hardy]TuTUXG: On the file browser, there's the Desktop folder, but it seems empty.
[17:27] <Gnine> is compiz running
[17:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> omar, sorry, by desktop, i mean wallpaper
[17:27] <omar> Gnine: Yes Compiz is running.
[17:28] <Gnine> on terminal, do 'metacity --replace'
[17:28] <omar> [Hardy]TuTUXG: No, nothing seemed to have happened
[17:28] <asdrubal> Why did ubuntu get rid of the bug report for cx88-alsa?
[17:28] <asdrubal> there is no cx88-alsa module anymore
[17:28] <asdrubal> what happened?
[17:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> omar, try what gnine said
[17:28] <Gnine> omar: is that a fresh install
[17:29] <omar> Gnine: Yes, I just upgraded it a couple oif hours ago.
[17:30] <Gnine> no output on metacity?
[17:30] <omar> Gnine: I just replaced it with Metacity, but it didn't solve the problem.
[17:31] <Gnine> are you using ATI?
[17:31] <omar> ATI graphic card you mean?
[17:31] <Gnine> yes
[17:33] <omar> Gnine: Nope, I have Intel.
[17:34] <Gnine> do you get window borders on your terminal?
[17:34] <omar> Gnine: Everything was just fine a couple of minutes ago.
[17:35] <omar> Gnine: Yes
[17:36] <omar> Gnine: I can see everything except for the Background, Icons, and the right-click menu.
[17:37] <Gnine> check system>preferences>appereance
[17:37] <is_it_done_yet> is it done yet
[17:37] <niekie> No.
[17:38] <is_it_done_yet> why not
[17:39] <IcemanV9> wicked!!! totem-xine works!! totem-gstreamer NEVER works since hoary (at least for me)!
[17:39] <niekie> is_it_done_yet: don't ask me.
[17:40] <is_it_done_yet> niekie, OK
[17:40] <is_it_done_yet> i need it
[17:40] <is_it_done_yet> my body is in pain without it
[17:40] <_ajw_> it seems like "evolution-addressbook-export" isn't working with hardy yet -- when I try " evolution-addressbook-export -l" it throws up a list of my addressbooks and the warning "** (evolution-addressbook-export:xxxx): WARNING **: FIXME: wait for completion unimplemented" where the xxxx are some numbers (different every time {job no.?})
[17:41] <Gnine> by the way, omar, since compiz does not seem to be the problem then, in terminal, do 'compiz --replace' or just restart X to get compiz back
[17:41] <_ajw_> Any ideas?
[17:45] <omar_> Gnine: Thanks a lot, the problem is now fixed, all I had to do was "sudo killall nautilus", I got my desktop back. :)
[17:46] <Gnine> thank savvas for that
[17:46] <omar_> Well, thank you all! :D
[17:48] <BadRobot> hi there
[17:48] <BadRobot> does anyone knows when Hardy Beta will be on the servers for download?
[17:49] <UnNaturalHigh> BadRobot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[17:50] <Gnine> no matter. you still a tester.
[17:52] <omar_> Guys, apparently, it seems like Alpha 6 is due today, is it out yet or what?
[17:55] <omar_> Gnine: Yeah, sure. But by the release of the Beta version, dozens of problems will be tackled, ya know..
[17:56] <IcemanV9> will most stuff from hardy be backported to dapper since both are LTS??
[17:57] <Galga> Gnine: i can seed when download is finished or should i look for the torrent now ?
[17:58] <omar_> Okay, I'm not sure if Alpha 6 is released yet or not. But one thing 100000000% sure about is that I LOVE UBUNTU (and Linux in general)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD
[18:01] <IcemanV9> where can i enable the closed-captioning in totem-xine?? i'm watching live ncaa tourney game online.
[18:01] <Gnine> you need a .torrent file for that, Galga
[18:02] <BadRobot> what is ncaa tourney?IcemanV9
[18:03] <Dazgard> hi
[18:03] <IcemanV9> BadRobot: college men's basketball tournament (March Madness). it's a BIG event in USA.
[18:03] <richard__> beta fever!! :D
[18:04] <Dazgard> i've an error with my install "cannot open display: "
[18:04] <Dazgard> how can i get around this ?
[18:04] <Dazgard> abyone knows ?
[18:04] <BadRobot> ok
[18:04] <IcemanV9> Dazgard: what were you installing??
[18:04] <Dazgard> nothing
[18:04] <BadRobot> i am waiting for the beta to arrive
[18:04] <Dazgard> i hapen some time
[18:05] <Dazgard> i just loose my display
[18:05] <BadRobot> anyone waiting for Hardy Beta?
[18:05] <Dazgard> every working soft are ok, but i can't launch no apps nomore
[18:07] <IcemanV9> BadRobot: ha. i am waiting for the release. ;-)
[18:08] <Dazgard> guys, i've to restart X to but able to lauch apps, so brb :(
[18:10] <Dazgard> im back
[18:10] <Dazgard> :)
[18:11] <IcemanV9> problem solved??
[18:12] <Galga> hmm
[18:13] <Dazgard> nope
[18:13] <Galga> is there default firewall running on alpha 6 ? if so how can i check for status
[18:13] <Dazgard> example :
[18:13] <Dazgard>  /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin X11 error: Can't open display: :0.0
[18:14] <Dazgard> echo $DISPLAY -> :0.0
[18:14] <flipstar> !info uwf hardy | Galga
[18:14] <ubotu> galga: Package uwf does not exist in hardy
[18:14] <flipstar> !info ufw hardy | Galga
[18:14] <ubotu> galga: ufw (source: ufw): program for managing a netfilter firewall. In component main, is optional. Version 0.16 (hardy), package size 21 kB, installed size 204 kB
[18:14] <Dazgard> perhaps this has something to do with my netbeans installation
[18:14] <sebbar> BETA FEEEEVEEERRR :D
[18:14] <Dazgard> brb killing X .....
[18:15] <Galga> ok thanks
[18:15] <Dazgard> :(
[18:16] <Dazgard> i'll try not to lauch netbeans and see what happen
[18:17] <Belisarivs> Hi all.
[18:17] <Dazgard> hi
[18:17] <Belisarivs> Could someone help me with wifi card intel 3945 in Hardy?
[18:18] <Belisarivs> I just upgraded. All seems to be OK. However my wifi doesn't work.
[18:19] <flipstar> was it working before ?
[18:19] <Belisarivs> It is detected by lspci properly. But it doesn't turn on. No blue light.
[18:19] <Belisarivs> Yes,  It was.
[18:20] <flipstar> you did a dist upgrade or just updated some packages ?
[18:20] <Belisarivs> dist upgrade via "update-manager -d"
[18:22] <Dazgard> no display loose, seems to be related to java/netbeans !!
[18:22] <jester7> Belisarivs: i have to ask. "no blue light"  are you sure the switch isn't turned off? i've seen people actually bump that switch and troubleshoot their wireless for days :p
No, I tried to turn it on.
[18:24] <Belisarivs> I'm not such moron. But that happens. :)
[18:28] <Belisarivs> I did follow this manual https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/iwlwifi_Intel_3945_4965/gutsy?highlight=(WifiDocs%2FDriver) to switch to iwl3945 drivers
[18:31] <BunnyRevolution> so did kubuntu release a beta today?
[18:32] <TheImp> until now: no.
[18:32] <kristjan_> any kde4 experts here?
[18:32] <sami88> Can I update my libc6?
[18:32] <kristjan_> sami88: sure
[18:32] <sami88> is it safe to do so yet?
[18:32] <TheImp> sami88: if you ask this question: no ;)
[18:32] <sami88> lol
[18:33] <kristjan_> sami88: yeah it's safe
[18:33] <sami88> I've been leaving that unchecked in the update manager for the past week, since everyone had an issue (and it was documented in the forums)
[18:34] <kristjan_> ok I'm going to ask this again: is there a way to limit fps in kde4 then vsync is off? (if nobody knows, then I guess I give up on this channel)
[18:35] <sami88> sorry, I don't use kde that much :(
[18:35] <kristjan_> sami88: lol, you don't have to apologize
[18:36] <kristjan_> it's the harsh reality of kde user, no distro likes it more than gnome :-(
[18:36] <flipstar> kde4 > #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[18:36] <sami88> I tried Kubuntu with kde4... it was frustrating.
[18:37] <kristjan_> flipstar: nice I thought alpha6 questions come here
[18:37]  * kristjan_ moves away in hope to get the answer
[18:38]  * kumarphilly off to get ritas
[18:46] <Belisarivs> I'm back. Something froze my screen. Could use Magic key, though.
[18:46] <Belisarivs> Any ideas what to do with that intel 3945?
[18:47] <Belisarivs> I spotted, that wireless network is among those available in Network manager. Also ifconfig -a displays wlan0 properly with its correct mac address.
[18:49] <Galga> xserver included with 8.04 is as good as metro-x and accelerated-x or, those commercial products perform better ? thanks
[18:52] <GhotiPhud> hi all
[18:53] <Skiessi> are they going to release the beta today? ¬_¬ it's kinda late already...
[18:53] <flipstar> remember utc ..
[18:54] <fuzzy76> it's nearly 19:00 utc, so it's late any way you see it :)
[18:54] <Skiessi> 6:49 PM
[18:55] <Four23619> It is almost 4 AM here, I need sleep. Am waiting for the Beta.
[18:55] <ilyaromanenko> hi all! can anyone help me? i need to find one man with certain nickname, how can i do that?
[18:55]  * fuzzy76 is at UTC + 1
[18:55] <ilyaromanenko> maybe private message or such sing?
[18:55] <Four23619> GMT +9 here.
[18:55] <fuzzy76> ilyaromanenko: /whois nickname
[18:56] <ilyaromanenko> thanks a lot
[18:56] <ilyaromanenko> :)
[18:56] <flipstar> ilyaromanenko: if he isnt there anymore type /msg seenserv seen <nick>
[18:56] <fuzzy76> It only works if he's logged on though
[18:57] <ilyaromanenko> if there is no output that means he is offline?
[18:57] <fuzzy76> or that the output wound up in your status/server window
[18:57] <ilyaromanenko> ahaha :) thanks :)
[18:58] <ilyaromanenko> :No such nick/channel
[18:58] <ilyaromanenko> i found it
[18:58] <ilyaromanenko> output ;)
[18:58] <flipstar> means offline, yep
[18:58] <flipstar> or typo :)
[18:58] <GhotiPhud> how would I check out the latest version of xserver-xorg-video-ati?
[18:59] <GhotiPhud> I'd like to build it from git
[19:02] <rebelThor_> hey, does sound work in 2.6.24-12-generic ?
[19:02] <Galga> yup
[19:02] <rebelThor_> well, it doesn't for me, worked in 2.6.24-11 though
[19:02] <omar> How can I find out which version of Compiz I'm using?
[19:02] <Galga> rebelThor_: #alsa :)
[19:03] <rebelThor_> i'm on pulseaudio, audacious seems to be playing, but there is no sound output
[19:03] <flipstar> compiz --version
[19:03] <rebelThor_> Galga: #alsa for pulseaudio ?
[19:03] <omar> Thanks
[19:03] <flipstar> rebelThor_: in audacious you can also try alsa or oss
[19:04] <GhotiPhud> sound is working for me in 2.6.24-12-generic
[19:04] <rebelThor_> flipstar, i did, same result, no sound coming out of the speakers, but also no error
[19:04] <flipstar> try mplayr for more output ..
[19:05] <rebelThor_> why would i try to find some alternate output method and not try to see what's causing pulse audio not to function?
[19:07] <rebelThor_> riiight. so. it just *started working*
[19:08] <rebelThor_> changed in audacious to OSS, let it play for about half a minute, then it started spitting sound.
[19:08] <rebelThor_> like.. wtf?!
[19:08] <rebelThor_> out of nowhere?
[19:10] <ilyaromanenko> oh maybe someone helps me with one problem: when i've installed xserver to fix problems with graphical effects it seems to be all ok but new problem starts: when i'm watching films through totem powersave turns off my monitor after 5 or 10 minutes :((
[19:11] <flipstar> ilyaromanenko: did you disabled the screensaver/power management ?
[19:12] <ilyaromanenko> i've disabled all screensaver and power management
[19:14] <flipstar> this happens only with totem ?
[19:14] <ilyaromanenko> hmm :) i haven't test it with others
[19:16] <rebelThor_> ilyaromanenko, try mplayer, it is supposed to have a "disable screensaver" switch somewhere
[19:16] <KalEl> hi...i've got hardy heron accidentally installed. but now that i have it is there any way i can somehow help the community in the release process?
[19:17] <KalEl> nothing will make me happier than contributing whatever little i can to the ubuntu community.
[19:17] <KalEl> thanks
[19:17] <rebelThor_> KalEl,  use it like you would normally would, see what doesn't work properly, and report it i guess
[19:18] <ilyaromanenko> thanks - i will try :)
[19:18] <KalEl> ok
[19:20] <budmang> Can anyone help/point me in the right direction for dual monitor?
[19:20] <budmang> Intel GMA.
[19:20] <rebelThor_> KalEl: also, if you have a laptop, there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam which would be happy to accept your report about different stuff in your laptop (start with another laptop as an example)
[19:21] <Johan-_> so "Soon" isn't yet :)
[19:22] <Johan-_> any ideas on when the beta will come?
[19:22] <KalEl> ok thanks... but i have a desktop only at this moment. i'll check that site still though.
[19:23] <KalEl> and btw, just for information as of now i've seen no problem at all with my setup :)
[19:23] <len_> The ubuntu wiki page shows 8.04 beta as being ready and and gives download links to it, but the links aren't valid yet.  I guess the documentation is a few hours ahead of the beta itself.
[19:24] <flipstar> len_: this is always like this..dont worry
[19:25] <rebelThor_> maybe it depends on the time-zone :D
[19:25] <rebelThor_> just as a parenthesis, having an Alpha4 updated with dist-upgrade is no different from a fresh install of Beta, right?
[19:25] <flipstar> right
[19:26] <flipstar> except for your settings
[19:26] <len_> Not so much worried as eager.  :) I was running that alpha on a machine up until a week or so again when one of the updates rendered my machine unbootable.  I decided, at that point, to wait until beta to reinstall it.
[19:26] <flipstar> probably the libc thing..
[19:27] <flipstar> we only had one of this afair
[19:28] <richard__> BETA FEVER :D
[19:28] <fromport> Dont Panic! :-)
[19:32] <len_> I was having major video problems up until shortly after alpha6, then most of the problems went away and it was starting to look solid; then a day or two after that, I got hosed? :)   I figured there'd be some big issues involved in switching to xorg 7.3, but it looks like those were fixed recently.
[19:34] <aetaric> beta is out today?
[19:35] <bardyr> it should be
[19:35] <len_> Today was the target day on the roadmap anyway.
[19:35] <richard__> yep
[19:35] <richard__> im waiting eagerly
[19:36] <Dazgard> hi there
[19:36] <Dazgard> just to let you know
[19:37] <aoupi> anyone comments on updating with update-manager?
[19:37] <Dazgard> i installed the jdk provided by ubuntu, and everything gone ok ;)
[19:37] <aoupi> has any*
[19:38] <Dazgard> so here's the equation hardy + jdk1.6.0_10 + netbeans 6.0.1 = PROBLEMS !!!
[19:38] <len_> I'm pretty sure the ubuntu beta will be pretty solid.  I'm crossing my fingers on kubuntu though.  I have much worse problems with the kubuntu alphas than the ubuntu ones for some reason.
[19:38] <Galga> Dazgard: jdk is java development kit ?
[19:38] <Dazgard> yes Galga
[19:38] <flipstar> update-manager will disable all third party resources ..
[19:38] <flipstar> if you had any
[19:39] <Galga> flipstar: how about re-enabling :)
[19:39] <Dazgard> time for me to leave
[19:39] <Dazgard> bye everyone
[19:39] <flipstar> most sources arent for hardy yet i guess
[19:39] <Galga> k
[19:40] <aoupi> is the beta still on schedule for today?
[19:40] <flipstar> most non-ubuntu sources of course
[19:40] <flipstar> aoupi: sure..
[19:40] <aoupi> great :)
[19:40] <len_> Was anything updated recently to break nx?  Up through alpha 6 I was running the version on nomachines site for gutsy without any problems.
[19:41] <Galga> flipstar: you mean beta is not available on ubuntu servers ? but on non-ubuntu. nice :)
[19:42] <flipstar> w00t? no
[19:42] <Galga> aaah ok, language barrier
[19:43] <flipstar> i was talking about reposetorys for hardy
[19:43] <slipttees> install hardy alfa6 in my other computer selected kemap "br" and clicked in  Next"restart Xsever
[19:43] <Galga> k
[19:44] <slipttees> clicked in "next" the Xserver Restart
[19:44] <slipttees> keymap*
[19:45] <len_> I hope they changed the default wallpaper in the beta.  That heron wallpaper in heron is god-awful ugly. :)
[19:45] <flipstar> slipttees: using a live cd ?
[19:45] <len_> in alpha, I mean
[19:46] <slipttees> flipstar: yes
[19:46] <flipstar> len_: wont change anyting anymore in any alpha
[19:46] <richard__> I love the default wallpaper
[19:47] <richard__> I just wish the theme would lighten up a bit
[19:47] <richard__> the window manager theme that is
[19:47] <flipstar> slipttees: if this happend only once i would try again..
[19:48] <slipttees> try again and don't work
[19:49] <flipstar> slipttees: did you checked the cd for errors? if yes you might try the alternate installer ..
[19:51] <slipttees> flipstar: ckeck m5sum it's ok
[19:51] <len_> So that ugly heron wallpaper is planned for final?  Default wallpaper makes no real difference of course, but I gives a bad inital aesthetic reaction.  That was my  reaction, anyway.   Glad to hear someone loves it.  It is probably one of those things you either love or hate.
[19:52] <flipstar> len_: maybe it will changed in beta but artwork deadline is still over ..
[19:52] <fromport> many more choices available:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate
[19:52] <slipttees> i kown
[19:52] <slipttees> :-)
[19:53] <spideylinux> I like the crazy heron wallpaper, but I changed it right away
[19:57] <fuzzy76> Are there anyone here that can actually say anything about the progress of the beta images?
[19:59] <fromport> when they are ready, they are ready
[20:00] <gregory> fromport: can i continue using a6 with updates or do i need to reinstall from the iso?
[20:01] <fromport> updating will be just fine (is my personal believe)
[20:02] <flipstar> ubotu believes that too :)
[20:02] <flipstar> !final
[20:02] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[20:02] <slipttees> flipstar: iso it's ok
[20:02] <mirak> hi
[20:03] <slipttees> ckecked now!
[20:03] <mirak> this command fails
[20:03] <mirak> mkfs.xfs /dev/sdb9 -f
[20:03] <mirak> mkfs.xfs: cannot open /dev/sdb9: Périphérique ou ressource occupé
[20:03] <noelferreira> hi. i just upgrade to hardy and i have this error when running gnome-setings-daemon : The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'.
[20:03] <noelferreira>   (Details: serial 89 error_code 1 request_code 151 minor_code 6)
[20:03] <flipstar> slipttees: i have no idea whats wrong then..you might try the alternate installer instead
[20:03] <aoupi> mirak: make sure it isn't mounted or anything (run "mount" to see mounted disks)
[20:03] <flipstar> mirak: try with sudo
[20:04] <mirak> flipstar: I do it as root ...
[20:04] <mirak> aoupi: nothing is mounted
[20:05] <slipttees> flipstar: ok, i want test alternative cd install
[20:05] <slipttees> thx
[20:05] <flipstar> np
[20:06] <MethodOne> what cd has the wubi installer, the live or alternate one?
[20:06] <fromport> mirak: ls -l /dev/sda9
[20:07] <mirak> fromport: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 25 2008-03-20 21:01 /dev/sdb9
[20:07] <flipstar> MethodOne: the live probably since the alternate dont have an X
[20:08] <fromport> mirak: are you using a live cd ? alternate ?
[20:09] <mirak> fromport: no it's a new hard drive
[20:09] <fromport> did you recently add sda9 ? did you reboot after partioning it ?
[20:12] <noelferreira>   (Details: serial 89 error_code 1 request_code 151 minor_code 6)
[20:12] <noelferreira>   (Details: serial 89 error_code 1 request_code 151 minor_code 6)
[20:12] <noelferreira> hi. i just upgrade to hardy and i have this error when running gnome-setings-daemon : The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'.
[20:12]  * fromport feels a use pastebin warning popping up :-)
[20:21] <noelferreira>   (Details: serial 89 error_code 1 request_code 151 minor_code 6)
[20:21] <noelferreira> hi. i just upgrade to hardy and i have this error when running gnome-setings-daemon : The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'.
[20:21] <zcat[1]> Are the alphas supposed to get better over time, because I don't recally alpha1 being particularly buggy and alpha6 is really terrible (imho) .. I'm a bit worried since there's only a month to release
[20:22] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: in the alpha new things are introduced aswell
[20:22] <zcat[1]> ahh cool...
[20:23] <zcat[1]> I'll wait for the beta then :)
[20:23] <zcat[1]> I'm staying with gutsy for my regular desktop.. hardy's way to buggy for me yet :(
[20:23] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: it should come tonight :)
[20:24] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: I've only hade one serious problem so far
[20:24] <zcat[1]> Oh! Cool... how old is a6? I only installed it last night and didn't want to do another 360M of updates ..
[20:24] <gregory> zcat[1]: starting from beta there are only bugfixes (exceptions possible)
[20:25] <zcat[1]> Johan-_: stuff like screenlets seem very flakey .. third time it booted up, only one screen came on.. and not the one with the login prompt... those are awful bugs!
[20:27] <zcat[1]> I'm hoping hardy ends up much better that gutsy .. I had a few issues with that when it came out... the sound mixer was terrible. The printer dialog was a regression from the nice friendly one in Feisty ... (I ended up finding and installing the older one!)
[20:27] <Johan-_> it should become better
[20:28] <Johan-_> but it's still a alpha so...
[20:28] <zcat[1]> If it's not, I may consider debian this time :-)
[20:28] <Johan-_> you cant except it to work right now
[20:29] <Johan-_> 8.04 is going to me LTS so it will be stable
[20:29] <zcat[1]> gutys is pretty sweet now... if hardy works as well I'll be very happy
[20:29] <zcat[1]> just wondering if the developers can clean it up enough in a month!
[20:30] <budmang> I have a toshiba laptop ith intel gma graphics I need my extended desktop to work, any direction? if I change anything in the screens/graphics, a reboot goes to failed X.
[20:31] <K4k-laptop> I found a fix to the network bug I was having
[20:31] <EdwardXp3> can someone teach me how to install a kernel?
[20:31] <K4k-laptop> I'm not sure yet what caused it though
[20:31] <K4k-laptop> EdwardXp3, why do you need a custom kernel?
[20:31] <EdwardXp3> so i can stay uptodate with the latest trends, get my feel :)
[20:32] <K4k-laptop> haha
[20:32] <K4k-laptop> ok, well there are plenty of tutorials online
[20:32] <EdwardXp3> i wanna be like you tried 14???  thats' years old, i've been on 22
[20:32] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: sudo apt-get install linux-image-whatever
[20:32] <fromport> edwardxp3: google is your friend ;-)
[20:32] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: ubuntu updates the kernel for you
[20:33] <Johan-_> if needed
[20:33] <EdwardXp3> i was on google i want to learn how to do it manual
[20:33] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: ummmm... gentoo is your friend :)
[20:33] <EdwardXp3> i tried looking online for the site, i lost it and now im confused on what to follow
[20:34] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: I'd start with sudo aptitude install build-essential and a kernel source package .. have it build the binary as a package and things won't break as bad the next time you upgrade the system
[20:35] <EdwardXp3> linux-2.6.24.3  <-- isn't this 44 MB kernel the new thing though?
[20:37] <zcat[1]> you won't generally see any changes in the kernel that directly affect userspace anyhow
[20:37] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: why would you want to compile yourself?
[20:37] <slipttees> see ya
[20:37] <EdwardXp3> i have to be universal
[20:37] <EdwardXp3> i have to be able to jump on anycomputer and do it myselfd
[20:37] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: back in the days you could get more speed if you compiled it yourself, now you will only have troble
[20:38] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: the vanilla kernel will run better then anything you compile for yourself
[20:38] <EdwardXp3> really?
[20:38] <Johan-_> unless you're really good and have a really old computer
[20:38] <EdwardXp3> lol
[20:38] <Johan-_> the vanilla has everything, more or less
[20:38] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: well; first you need build tools. Then you untar kernel source. Then as root you type ./configure ; make ; make install and wait. Then you reboot and nothing seems the slightest bit different...
[20:38] <EdwardXp3> man times have changed
[20:38] <chdst> As zcat[1] said, Gentoo's more what you're looking for if you're looking to "Do it yourself"
[20:39] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: as I can remember you need to configure i a bit more than so :)
[20:39] <EdwardXp3> its' just i like having control over my hardware
[20:39] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: then go for gentoo
[20:39] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: slackware hasn't. even gentoo is userfriendly. ubuntu is designed for ppl who don't want to deal with this stuff; we don't even include gcc by default!
[20:39] <EdwardXp3> trying to find speakers' whats' best, and audio drivers' things like that
[20:40] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: I actually thing you had to compile your own kernel there a couple of years ago
[20:40] <cwillu> stay awake for another 8 hours, or go to bed and wake up in 2 hours
[20:40] <cwillu> decisions decisions
[20:40] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: in ubuntu 99% of the time you plug something in and it works. the other 1% it's probably not supported well in any distro.
[20:40] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: but sure I can see why you want to learn
[20:41] <cwillu> bah, not #ubuntu-offtopic, sorry
[20:41] <EdwardXp3> i've always been new to linux and i never really had time to figure out how; and now im on here
[20:41] <Johan-_> cwillu: stay up, the beta should be here :D
[20:41] <cwillu> really?
[20:41] <cwillu> that settles it :p
[20:41] <EdwardXp3> bam! things are crazy easy but i still lack the terminology
[20:41] <Johan-_> cwillu: or not
[20:41] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: you won't learn anything through compiling a kernel
[20:41] <cwillu> is it scheduled for today?
[20:41] <Johan-_> cwillu: they've update the site atleast
[20:42] <cwillu> zcat[1], that's an interesting view
[20:42] <EdwardXp3> i'll just default install what i have... how can i upgrade the kernel?
[20:42] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: but if you actually wants to learn linux from scratch try gentoo
[20:42] <EdwardXp3> alright
[20:42] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: ctrl-alt-F1, log in, start digging through /etc/ and see if you can do things like reconfigure your network, install and configure a webserver. You'll leran more that way
[20:42] <Johan-_> cwillu: scheduled for 20 march
[20:43] <Johan-_> cwillu: there's a link to the download but it's dead
[20:43] <EdwardXp3> and start x to come back here?
[20:43] <EdwardXp3> i wonder if that would work
[20:43] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: but if you do try to change stuff don't expect it to work
[20:43] <zcat[1]> gentoo doesn't really teach you much more... if you want to learn, try slackware or lfs
[20:43] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: expect the entire computer to burst into flames :D
[20:44] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: gentoo rocks!
[20:44] <EdwardXp3> i just bought this computer
[20:44] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: all you got was your tarball
[20:44] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: install slackware, if you can even find your way back here after that I'll be impressed
[20:44] <EdwardXp3> lol 500gb sata, 5600+ amd 64
[20:44] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: you had to compile everything from scratch
[20:44] <EdwardXp3> 2gb ram
[20:44] <EdwardXp3> hehe
[20:44] <EdwardXp3> okay
[20:45] <EdwardXp3> arggg i want to learn hwo to install a kernel though first
[20:45] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: if you have a new computer vanilla is the best choice, I would say
[20:45] <chdst> If you want a free (beer/speech) OS that's easy to use where you don't have to worry about much of anything, while still giving you the best chance of hardware compatibility, Ubuntu is the place to be, in my opinion.
[20:45] <EdwardXp3> i heard great things about slackware, and gentoo actually
[20:45] <chdst> EdwardXp3: apt-get install linux-image-2.6... :P
[20:45] <zcat[1]> Johan-_: I started with SoftLanding .. 30 floppy disks. I wasn't quite up to building a linux filesystem from within minix
[20:46] <Johan-_> :)
[20:46] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: I started in crux, many many years ago
[20:46] <chdst> EdwardXp3: Slackware is the sparse desert wasteland of Linux distros. Bring your survival gear. You will definitely learn a lot with it, though.
[20:46] <Johan-_> after that gentoo and now I'm so lazy I come here for help
[20:46] <EdwardXp3> chdst:  how about doing some sort of autoconfig on the currently installed linux? like add/remove different devices
[20:46] <chdst> Most of that is broken out into kernel modules
[20:47] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: start by checking /etc out
[20:47] <EdwardXp3> whoa, okay
[20:47] <EdwardXp3> okay
[20:47] <chdst> heh
[20:47] <zcat[1]> I come here to tell the developers how broken hardy still is .. you'd think after braving slackware for my first 4 years I'd be able to fix things myself :)
[20:47] <InadeArg> hi guys, maybe its a stupid question but... Is the beta going to be release today?
[20:48] <Johan-_> InadeArg: its scheduled for today
[20:48] <zcat[1]> InadeArg: I heard tomorrow. Guess it depends what timezone you're in
[20:48] <cwillu> zcat[1], define broken
[20:48] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: http://beginlinux.com/index.php/desktop_training/ubuntu/ubfile_m/ub_compile
[20:48] <Johan-_> this seemed to be a good tutorial
[20:48] <InadeArg> Johan-_: Thanks
[20:48] <Jordan_U> !kernel
[20:49] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[20:49] <zcat[1]> cwillu: booted up. One screen worked, the one with the login window was black. it came on when I did alt-F1 so not unplugged....
[20:49] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: it's still a alpha. It's supposed to be broken
[20:49] <cwillu> zcat[1], what video card?
[20:49] <zcat[1]> cwillu: and screenlets don't start consistently.. although they don't in gutsy either.. I had to hack a script for that
[20:49] <Johan-_> ah, I keep on forgeting the ! commands
[20:49] <zcat[1]> cwillu: Ummmm... a nvonfree one with binary drivers..
[20:50] <cwillu> zcat[1], parse error, sorry?
[20:50] <chdst> zcat[1]: My experience with screenlets has always been one of hacking and fiddling, Ubuntu or no ubuntu.
[20:50] <zcat[1]> I like my compiz... must have binary drivers !!
[20:50] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: but you should read _alot_ of info about what does what before compiling
[20:50] <cwillu> (haven't played with screenlets at all yet, seemed pretty raw, and I'm opposed to the concept to begin with :p)
[20:50] <chdst> I could just be unlucky though.
[20:50] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: you need to know exactly what you need for your system to work
[20:50] <cwillu> zcat[1], but, what video card?
[20:51] <cwillu> ati nonfree is a different ballgame from nvidia
[20:51] <EdwardXp3> i remember being in there menuconfig sounds soo familiar
[20:51] <chdst> cwillu: Not in hardy (for me, at least)!
[20:51] <EdwardXp3> thats' what i wanted to know
[20:51] <zcat[1]> nvidia 8500gt
[20:51] <cwillu> chdst, ?
[20:51] <EdwardXp3> usr/src/ :)
[20:51] <cwillu> zcat[1], fresh install?  nothing further for configuration yet?
[20:52] <Johan-_> could be fun... to compile again
[20:52] <cwillu> (i.e., no manual driver install?)
[20:52] <Lynoure> Johan-_: nothing stopping you, if you really want to
[20:52] <Johan-_> se how much smaller you can get it
[20:52] <chdst> cwillu: Setting up the ati nonfree drivers was as easy for me as the nonfree nvidia drivers in hardy...very much the same ballgame in my experience. :)
[20:52] <Johan-_> Lynoure: no i know :)
[20:52] <zcat[1]> I'll grab the beta today and start submitting bugfixes .. lots of config cwillu and no updates, if I updated I'd probably see some of this stuff fixed already :)
[20:53] <cwillu> chdst, different manufacturers, different ideas of what constitutes driver support, and it working for you is much like hardy working for somebody a couple weeks ago:  doesn't mean other people don't have big problems :)
[20:53] <cwillu> zcat[1], I mean, first boot of a fresh install gave you a black logon screen?
[20:54] <zcat[1]> Probably do a presentation at the end of the week 'what's coming in hardy' for our lug ... I like the new features, I just hope you guys deal with the new bugs before release  ...
[20:54] <chdst> cwillu: Some background...I've been running compiz since dapper on ATI hardware. I definitely know what you mean. It's so much better than it was, though.
[20:54] <zcat[1]> cwillu: third boot.. it was fine the first two.. random bug?
[20:54] <cwillu> chdst, yes, but the trick is to forget how bad it used to be so that you can accurately see how bad it is now :p
[20:54] <xnox> Is OOo 2.4 gonna make it into hardy final?
[20:54] <chdst> cwillu: Too many scars to do that ^^
[20:55] <cwillu> zcat[1], the xorg.log file is probably still around if you haven't rebooted a bunch of times since then
[20:55] <zcat[1]> compiz was crap when it first came out.. now I can play games and video with compiz running and everything works how it's supposed to
[20:55] <cwillu> pastebin'ing it would be useful
[20:55] <b47619> is the beta released yet?
[20:55] <albinou> hy
[20:55] <cwillu> not yet
[20:55] <chdst> cwillu: That's not entirely true...I also have an SLI'd nvidia setup at home that _just keeps working_.
[20:56] <Jaymac> i read an announcement on planet yesterday but it wouldn't seem so
[20:56] <xnox> Well wiki does already list it :P
[20:56] <zcat[1]> cwillu: probably not .. I'll reinstall with the beta when I get it and if it happens again I'll file a bug
[20:56] <cwillu> chdst, what's not entirely true?
[20:56] <chdst> It servers as an excellent reminder
[20:56] <b47619> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta  it has a list but they download links go to 404s
[20:56] <Jaymac> yeah i saw that too, but the releases.ubuntu.com is still a hardy free zone
[20:56] <chdst> cwillu: What I said about not being able to still see how bad it is now...the nvidia experience reminds me every time I leave work. Sorry to be so disjointed.
[20:57] <cwillu> heh
[20:57] <b47619> maybe it is on a mirror...
[20:57] <chdst> Long day :)
[20:57] <cwillu> was hoping I wasn't missing stuff and making an ass of myself ;p
[20:57] <zcat[1]> I love nvidia .. never had a problem with any of them
[20:57] <Jaymac> b47619, I doubt it - look at the topic
[20:57] <zcat[1]> they handle compiz better than anything else
[20:57] <chdst> It's very likely my fault, I'm also straying pretty far into the offtopic area :)
[20:57] <Lynoure> to me, one non-free driver is about as sad as another.
[20:58] <cwillu> I'm a recent convert; I still have a few dozen pci radeons that I'm in love with though
[20:58] <zcat[1]> find me a good video card that has free drivers. perhaps I need to try some of the later intel cards? I dunno..
[20:58] <cwillu> Lynoure, that's why I still use the radeon's :p
[20:58] <ogre> hey is update-manager -d to upgrade right?
[20:58] <cwillu> -c -d
[20:59] <zcat[1]> ati are free now?
[20:59] <Lynoure> cwillu: same here... I'll sure rejoice if nvidia ever turn their boat, but unlikely to happen
[20:59]  * chdst quietly prays for AIGLX support in RadeonHD for his chipset...
[20:59] <cwillu> no, but radeon (open driver) works fine for older cards
[20:59] <Lynoure> zcat[1]: no, but they have commitment to specs
[20:59] <zcat[1]> next best thing... cool
[20:59] <cwillu> zcat[1], I do multiseat machines, and the radeons are one of the few cards that I've found both cheap and reliable when you put 4 in the same machine
[20:59] <Jaymac> what version of the nvidia drivers are in hardy? getting bored of black screen bug
[21:00] <cwillu> 169.12 if that means anything
[21:01] <cwillu> !info nvidia-glx-new
[21:01] <cwillu> !info nvidia-glx
[21:01] <cwillu> ubotu, ?
[21:01] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.11-12.31)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.12+2.6.24.11-12.31 (hardy), package size 5125 kB, installed size 15228 kB
[21:01] <ubotu> nvidia-glx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.11-12.31)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:96.43.05+2.6.24.11-12.31 (hardy), package size 3761 kB, installed size 11992 kB
[21:01] <chdst> teh lagz!
[21:01] <cwillu> indeed
[21:01] <zcat[1]> !botsnack
[21:01] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[21:01] <zcat[1]> no lag for me
[21:01] <cwillu> moo
[21:02] <chdst> No lag on that one, had a 12 second pause on the nvidia package info
[21:02] <Jaymac> cwillu, thanks
[21:02] <zcat[1]> yeah ... bot asleep?
[21:02] <Gnine> compiz is b0rked on my machine
[21:02] <Gnine> metacity was the saving grace
[21:02] <Johan-_> what timezone do the ubuntu devs use?
[21:03] <PsySine> do you think the beta will be out today?
[21:03]  * cwillu is tempted to say next week at the earliest
[21:03] <Lynoure> PsySine: which today?
[21:03] <Gnine> !pony | PsySine
[21:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pony - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:04] <EdwardXp3> im in the Y/N/M ?  when trying to configure the system,
[21:04] <cwillu> seriously, anybody who knows is busy working on it, probably not spending time here :p
[21:04] <EdwardXp3> whats' the m for?
[21:04] <zcat[1]> !timezone
[21:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timezone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:04] <xnox> I just hope it will have OO.o RC5 or RC6
[21:04] <Jaymac> !info network-manager
[21:04] <ubotu> network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.6-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 151 kB, installed size 572 kB
[21:04] <ant30> beta isn't out now ?
[21:04] <PsySine> Lynoure: march 20 :)
[21:04] <zcat[1]> !info openoffice.org
[21:04] <ubotu> openoffice.org (source: openoffice.org): OpenOffice.org Office suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 4 kB, installed size 44 kB
[21:04] <Gnine> !tz
[21:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tz - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:04] <ant30> guau, ubotu have a apt inteface ?
[21:04] <chdst> I've been hyping the whole office on 3/20 for the beta, there's a chance I'll get lynched tomorrow if it doesn't appear. :D
[21:05] <Lynoure> PsySine: I'd say unlikely, it being almost gone, less than one hour left. :)
[21:05] <ant30> !info gazpacho
[21:05] <ubotu> gazpacho (source: gazpacho): GTK+ User Interface Designer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1 (hardy), package size 506 kB, installed size 2040 kB
[21:05] <jeroen-> after upgrading from gutsy to hardy (via internet) I can't start mysql anymore - it gives only a [fail] - how to have a verbose output?
[21:05] <ant30> :)
[21:05] <Gnine> run it from terminal, jeroen-
[21:05] <chdst> Erm...there's formally 3 hours left, iff'n I can do math right (there is some question).
[21:05] <PsySine> Lynoure: depends on your timezone ^^
[21:06] <chdst> UTC, that is
[21:06] <zcat[1]> so beta is only hours away? or days?
[21:06] <jester7> left until what?  beta release?
[21:06] <jester7> oh
[21:07] <xnox> I do wanna try beta, cause I didn't manage it with alphas but i think I'll be alright =D
[21:07] <Lynoure> PsySine: Yes, that's why the answer. :) No idea where you are.
[21:07] <cwillu> if they said today, it'll probably be today (judging from the slow down in updates, I'd agree)
[21:07] <chdst> zcat[1]: I'd say hours based on experience...Ubuntu's ability to make deadlines is astonishing, in my opinion.
[21:07] <chdst> Canonical's, I suppose
[21:07] <jeroen-> Gnine: I do
[21:08] <zcat[1]> yeah .. dapper was only two months overdue :)
[21:08] <jeroen-> I do a sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[21:08] <xnox> chdst: same difference canonical or ubuntu
[21:08] <jester7> i was told that the beta is just a snapshot of the repos, so if you were to install alpha 6 and install all of the updates....that's the beta
[21:08] <cwillu> chdst, it's amazing what you can accomplish when you have a willingness to slip features (I mean that in a good way)
[21:09] <cwillu> jester7, yep
[21:09] <chdst> xnox: True, but Canonical is the proper name
[21:09] <cwillu> although alpha weirdness may not be completely expunged
[21:09] <cwillu> zcat[1], dapper was scheduled for that at the beginning of the cycle though
[21:09] <chdst> jester7: Both debian and ubuntu's named released are always exactly that...a snapshot of the state of the repository at a specific point in time.
[21:10] <chdst> Exception are made, of course, for security fixes and the like.
[21:10] <xnox> chdst: I guess but it's like Mark said. We had all Canonical's employees in one room for a couple of hours only once. That's google tech talk he gave. So really it's the whole ubuntu community that maters
[21:10] <cwillu> chdst, that's a bit over simplified, as they do distinguish between named repositories
[21:10] <jester7> cwillu: so what "weirdness" could be left behind?
[21:11] <cwillu> jester7, well, extreme example, libc6 won't fix itself unless you do it by hand :p
[21:11] <xnox> cwillu: lol =D
[21:11] <Johan-_> cwillu: but if you have a working install and then update you should endup with the beta :)
[21:11] <cwillu> depending on what updates you installed, and which bugs they had;  I'm uptodate on packages, but I've got a wxpython build error for about a week now
[21:11] <cwillu> Johan-_, that's the idea
[21:12] <jester7> really?  because on my test box i put alpha 6 on, updated before the lib6 issue, then waited intuil it was resolved before updating again.  i didn't have any problems
[21:12] <cwillu> the 'partial upgrade' thingy you see occasionally is basically fixing up known weirdness
[21:12] <cwillu> jester7, exactly, you didn't update to a version with an issue
[21:13] <jester7> so that's my point, if you were to install alpha 6, then install ALL updates, it should be exactly like the beta, right?
[21:13] <chdst> cwillu: I did simplify it a little bit, I didn't mean to leave such ambiguity in my use of the word releases...I really did mean a formal release, with regard to all of the freezes the are required to make any one of them work.
[21:13] <xnox> I did gksudo gnome-system-monitor and find out that I'm running quite a bit of K stuff on my ubuntu. But I'm not running any k applications as far as I know. How come?
[21:13] <chdst> But, again, my communication skills are sub-par right now, as I wind down from a work day. :)
[21:13] <cwillu> jester7, that's the ideal, and it'll probably be nearly indistinguishable
[21:13] <jester7> ok
[21:14] <cwillu> xnox, those a kernel processes
[21:14] <cwillu> a=are
[21:14] <cwillu> kswapd, ksnapd, ksuspend-usbd, etc?
[21:14] <xnox> cwillu: ok, I got scared how did that thing got there.
[21:14] <xnox> cwillu: aha
[21:15] <cwillu> aka, don't go killing them :p
[21:15] <cwillu> although I don't think you can anyway
[21:15] <xnox> cwillu: I decided to ask here first
[21:15] <chdst> xnox: Good call. :)
[21:15] <xnox> shall I try?
[21:15] <zcat[1]> I bet you can.. doing anything after that might be a problem
[21:15] <xnox> damnit
[21:15] <jester7> what's the worst that can happen :P
[21:16] <cwillu> jester7, well, killing kswapd would stop most any writes to the drive
[21:16]  * Gnine had to kill kacpi_notify for 48% cpu load
[21:16] <chdst> xnox: A plain kill (pid) will likely not do anything. Sending an actualy KILL signal though...that's probably where the scary starts. :)
[21:16] <tsukasa> isnt the beta supposed to be released today? o.0
[21:16] <cwillu> this calls for a test
[21:16] <xnox> sound like fun =D
[21:16] <chdst> Though I must admit I'm ashamed that I've never actually tried to do this
[21:17] <xnox> tsukasa: so what? =D
[21:17]  * Gnine resorted to do acpi=off on grub 
[21:18] <cwillu> kill -KILL 2 (kthread) didn't do anything
[21:18] <zcat[1]> should I kill kswapd and see what happens?
[21:18] <cwillu> I just tried
[21:18] <cwillu> didn't affect it
[21:18] <chdst> zcat[1]: I say go for it! :)
[21:19]  * chdst was too slow :(
[21:19] <zcat[1]> nothing
[21:19] <cwillu> zcat[1], same process id, etc
[21:19] <zcat[1]> dissappointed!
[21:19] <cwillu> I told ya :p
[21:19] <zcat[1]>   183 ?        S<     0:00 [kswapd0]
[21:19] <zcat[1]> zcat@mandela:~$ sudo kill -9 183
[21:19] <cwillu> might be a safety built into the kill command though
[21:19] <zcat[1]>   183 ?        S<     0:00 [kswapd0]
[21:19] <chdst> I'll just have to resort to a "while true kill some gettys"...
[21:19] <zcat[1]> tragic!
[21:19] <cwillu> lol
[21:19] <DanaG> kswapd is a kernel process.
[21:19] <DanaG> Killing it would be bad.
[21:20]  * cwillu looks at the scroll back
[21:20] <DanaG> Why are you trying to kill it?
[21:20] <xnox> DanaG: it seems that you can't kill it at all
[21:20]  * cwillu thought he heard an echo
[21:20] <chdst> DanaG: We know that...we were just trying to see 1.) If we could kill it and 2.) How bad it would be.
[21:20] <Amaranth> you cannot kill kernel threads
[21:20] <xnox> Danag: we are getting rid of all "K"
[21:20] <DanaG> aah, curiosity.
[21:20] <zcat[1]> DanaG: my gusty is too stable anyhow.. I need to rough it up a bit
[21:20] <Gnine> not having swap is not that bad.. if you have enuff physical memory
[21:20] <cwillu> DanaG, somebody thought kde had gotten itself entangled in his gnome install
[21:21] <cwillu> Gnine, kswap isn't just swap though
[21:21] <xnox> that was me =D
[21:21] <cwillu> Gnine, it's paging anything out to disk that was backed in memory
[21:21] <cwillu> any mmaps, writes that are buffered or cached, etc
[21:21] <zcat[1]> while true; do kill -9 $RANDOM ; done
[21:21] <DanaG> Don't you love naming collisions?
[21:21] <chdst> zcat[1]: Nice.
[21:21] <Gnine> good, i dont mess with obscure stuff like that .. unless necessary ..
[21:21] <zcat[1]> just like running 'doze
[21:22] <Amaranth> if it has [] around it you cannot kill it, try as hard as you wish
[21:22] <Amaranth> that is not a real process, it is a kernel thread
[21:22] <cwillu> ahem, oomkiller, ahem
[21:22] <ryanakca> jeroen-: try /var/log/mysql.log
[21:22] <zcat[1]>     1 ?        Ss     0:01 /sbin/init   --- no []'s! Sweet!
[21:23] <jeroen-> ryanakca: nothing in there
[21:23] <cwillu> Gnine, honestly, in most situations, running without swap is just silly
[21:23] <chdst> Alt+SysRq+i :)
[21:23] <chdst> (Don't do that)
[21:23] <ryanakca> jeroen-: /var/log/mysql.err
[21:24] <cwillu> any user mode task could cause the system to start killing random processes (although I think they've improved the oomhandlers logic a bit recently)
[21:24] <xnox> cwillu: I don't have swap, cause i have no disk space =D Gigs of photos
[21:24] <chdst> Actually...here's a fair question. Does Ubuntu catch those SysRq events?
[21:24] <cwillu> xnox, when you measure disk space in hundreds of gigs, why care about half a gig?
[21:24] <jeroen-> ryanakca: empty
[21:24] <chdst> I have never needed to use them in Ubuntu to find out.
[21:24] <zcat[1]> I have 2G ram here, and I don't think I've ever seen any of it get swapped
[21:24] <xnox> cwillu: not really hundreds I have only 310
[21:25] <poamj> Hi there. Does anybody know how i can configure the fonts for kde applications on ubuntu (I am using gnome). I've downloaded qt3-config and qt4-config and configured the font size and style in both, however i can't see the results on applications like Kile and Ktorrent.
[21:25] <zcat[1]> Swap:      4803392          0    4803392
[21:25] <Gnine> i didnt say anything about not having swap being a good choice..
[21:25] <zcat[1]> see! 0!
[21:25] <ryanakca> jeroen-: I don't know, sorry, but ask in here :)
[21:25] <cwillu> it gives you a clue that something is going wrong before it causes a problem, and lets you optimize for situations where you can use the physical memory for more important things (although swap-prefetch was a wonderful thing that sadly will never see the light again)
[21:26] <cwillu> xnox, if you're to the point where you need one more gig on 300gb, then you're not buying yourself any real time
[21:26]  * xnox dreams about installing Ubuntu on ZFS
[21:26] <cwillu> Gnine, I know, just a pet peeze
[21:26] <cwillu> ve
[21:26] <jeroen-> ryanakca: I did
[21:26] <xnox> cwillu: I guess I'm trying to sort it out........
[21:26] <cwillu> zcat[1], what's uptime?
[21:27] <zcat[1]> not much, Just booted back from hardy
[21:27] <cwillu> rest my case
[21:27] <cwillu> or rather, dismiss yours :p
[21:27] <richard__> BETA FEVER :D
[21:28] <cwillu> ff3b4 is certainly helping with my vm usage though, amazing improvement
[21:28] <cwillu> it's been 260mb resident and 385 vm for days now
[21:28] <cwillu> where I used to routinely sit at 750mb resident
[21:28] <zcat[1]> even when it's been up a few days I don't think I touch swap though
[21:28] <juank_prada> hello guys?.... when is beta being released?
[21:28] <Gnine> FF is very responsive on metacity
[21:29] <cwillu> juank_prada, sometime in 2008
[21:29] <juank_prada> o_O
[21:29] <KalEl> is it better than compiz on metacity?
[21:29] <cwillu> Gnine, I'm honestly tickled
[21:29] <juank_prada> i was expecting a more specific date
[21:29] <cwillu> juank_prada, probably today
[21:29] <cwillu> juank_prada, confidence or specificness, pick one :p
[21:29] <juank_prada> lol
[21:30] <juank_prada> maybe a mixture of both?
[21:30] <KalEl> how'bout with 95% confidence it is today?
[21:30] <cwillu> juank_prada, 'probably' is a mixture :p
[21:30] <KalEl> bewarned that's my confidence level though
[21:31]  * xnox counting down 2.5 hours
[21:31] <juank_prada> yeah.. that answer was enough for me
[21:31] <_ajw_> has anyone else experienced nautilus crashing recently -- it is very unstable for me at the moment
[21:31] <st33med> Hello. I wondering if I could Upgrade to Hardy Heron (when it is released) via CLI.
[21:31] <Gnine> compiz kills my window borders and terminal goes white. oldschool bug if you ask me...
[21:32] <juank_prada> another question.. is it being released with network manager 0.6.5 or 0.7?
[21:32] <cwillu> _ajw_, have you restarted nautilus?  I don't think the updates will do that
[21:32] <xnox> st33med yes you can see LTS upgrade wiki page
[21:32] <cwillu> !info network-manager
[21:32] <ubotu> network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.6-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 151 kB, installed size 572 kB
[21:32] <chdst> xnox: Pardon the lag on this, but Look at BtrFS. It's like ZFS, but without evil licensing and much more likely to show up in Ubuntu as a result.
[21:32] <Gnine> thats on i386 too.. 64bit version didnt give me that (fresh install)
[21:32] <_ajw_> it has crashed maybe 10 times today... and has been restarted every time
[21:32] <juank_prada> oh good thank you :)
[21:32] <_ajw_> is there something more i should do a
[21:32] <DanaG> poamj: if you want to configure kde stuff, you can use kcontrol (a package)
[21:33] <cwillu> _ajw_, what type of folders do you have open?
[21:33] <st33med> xnox, can you point me to it?
[21:33] <_ajw_> only /home/username
[21:33] <cwillu> _ajw_, only problems I've had is running it against sftp hosts where I already have an ssh session open, and control-session enabled
[21:33] <xnox> st33med: one sec
[21:33] <b47619> has anyone else had an issue where they can only start ubuntu 8.04 in a failsafe gnome session?
[21:34] <_ajw_> cwillu: i haven't been doing anything fancy -- just trying to go one level down in my folders
[21:34] <jeroen-> etc/init.d/mysql start: debug said:
[21:34] <jeroen-> connect to server at '\''localhost'\'' failed
[21:34] <jeroen-> error: '\''Can'\''t connect to local MySQL server through socket '\''/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'
[21:34]  * cwillu points to b47619 as an example of weirdness that may not just go away with an upgrade (not sure who I was talking to before about that)
[21:34] <cwillu> _ajw_, try running it in a terminal, see if anything interesting shows up there
[21:34] <cwillu> (killall nautilus; nautilus)
[21:35] <poamj> DanaG, thanks for the hint. I'll download it right now
[21:35] <b47619> the issue has been present since an earlier alpha...
[21:35] <b47619> how do I report a bug?
[21:35] <_ajw_> cwillu: will do
[21:35] <cwillu> b47619, try a new user, probably just config corrupted;  what kind of errors do you get in the normal gnoem session?
[21:36] <b47619> I get no errors the xserver just seems to restart
[21:36] <cwillu> dumps you back at the logon window
[21:36] <cwillu> ?
[21:36] <b47619> yes
[21:37] <cwillu> I _think_ this is the log file, can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors
[21:37] <_ajw_> cwillu: nothing shows up and the problem is repeatable...is there a way I can get more detailed info to help me fix the problem?
[21:37] <hydrogen> .xsession-errors is probably gigantic
[21:37] <hydrogen> you might want to trim it
[21:37] <martalli> I upgraded from kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04...now I have the 2.24 kernel, but when I boot into it, I get tons of errors...something like ata errors, and it never boots, even to a cli.  However, I can strangely still boot into the 2.22 kernel, even with the gui
[21:38] <martalli> Is this happening to everyone else?
[21:38] <cwillu> hydrogen, b47619 could just delete it, log in, and paste that
[21:38] <b47619> can i just send the log file?
[21:38] <cwillu> !pastebin | b47619
[21:38] <ubotu> b47619: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:38] <b47619> i am using a failsafe session right now
[21:38] <martalli> I used the "update-namager -d" command
[21:38] <_ajw_> cwillu: I can acess the files/folders fine from the command-line
[21:39] <poamj> DanaG, it worked! thanks!
[21:39] <martalli> Is there a way to email a pastebin file or upload through ftp?  That might work for b47619
[21:39] <_ajw_> cwillu: after stalling for a while it pops up a dialog box with `"foldername - File Browser" is not responding'
[21:40] <KalEl> martalli, which kernel version are you running? 2.6.24-12 is the latest i believe
[21:40] <b47619> what is the command to view a log again?
[21:40] <cwillu> _ajw_, what do you have mounted?
[21:40] <YgorAbreu_ESP_BR> Hello Guys..so Hardy isnt a beta yet ? or am i wrong?
[21:40] <cwillu> I have a hunch that it's looking at a mount that went away without the kernel knowing about it
[21:41] <KalEl> YgorAbreu_ESP_BR, it is scheduled sometime around today/tomorrow
[21:41] <cwillu> b47619, move ~/.xsession-errors to a different name, log into the normal session, let it crash, log back in failsafe, and copy ~/.xsession-errors (will have been recreated) to a pastebin
[21:41] <martalli> My unae -s output is: Linux jose-charley 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux, but checking my grub menu, the other kernels are 2.6.24-12-386 and 2.6.24-12-generic
[21:42] <_ajw_> cwillu: output of mount --> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60343/
[21:42] <martalli> KalEl: I should say that was my uname output
[21:42] <YgorAbreu_ESP_BR> kalEl: hmm thanks superman! xD
[21:42] <b47619> suwhere is it located?
[21:42] <cwillu> _ajw_, can you unmount /media/MEDIA and /media/XP, restart nautilus (kill it, etc), and see if it still happens?
[21:43] <cwillu> just playing elimination right now
[21:43] <mphill> was the beta released today?
[21:43] <KalEl> martalli, hmm... mine still shows 2.6.24-12-generic in uname -a, probably the 2.6.24-14 is not stable yet
[21:43] <b47619> where is ~/.xsession-errors located?
[21:43] <xnox> mphill: not yet
[21:43] <cwillu> somebody want to set the motd to "beta not out yet, stop asking"? :p
[21:43] <cwillu> b47619, ~ means your home folder
[21:43] <_ajw_> cwillu: one of my disks (/media/XP) should be mounted with ntfs but mount reports it as mounted withfuseblk
[21:44] <cwillu> _ajw_, that's normal
[21:44] <b47619> oh thanks
[21:44] <cwillu> _ajw_, I just want to eliminate it as a source of confusion, mostly
[21:44] <b47619> oh yeah tilde=home folder I forgot
[21:44] <jeroen->  /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[21:44] <cwillu> _ajw_, have you relogged in the last couple weeks?
[21:44] <martalli> No, the one I am running right now is left over from 7.10 (kernel 2.6.22, not 2.6.24)
[21:44] <jeroen-> anyone?
[21:44] <KalEl> mphill, it's not out yet, i believe the topic will be changed once the beta is out
[21:44] <cwillu> jeroen-, sounds like it's not running
[21:45] <_ajw_> cwillu: what does relogged mean?
[21:45] <cwillu> logged out, and back in
[21:45] <_ajw_> ah yes
[21:45] <cwillu> _ajw_, might be an interaction with a dbus update or something along those lines
[21:45] <_ajw_> cwillu: this is a laptop
[21:45] <b47619> when i try to open the log I get permission denied
[21:45] <b47619> and su won't work
[21:45]  * cwillu hasn't shut his laptop (other than suspend) in a few weeks :p
[21:46] <cwillu> b47619, what does ls -l .xsession-errors say?
[21:46] <b47619> sudo works but give me command noit dound
[21:46] <_ajw_> cwillu: ;-)
[21:46] <cwillu> b47619, what command are you running with su or sudo?  (and don't use su)
[21:47] <jeroen-> cwillu: thats the problem, it can't start - that is a output of a /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping
[21:47] <b47619> ~/.xsession-errors
[21:47] <_ajw_> cwillu: problem is still occuring... terminal reports "** (nautilus:14320): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported"
[21:47] <cwillu> b47619, it's a text file, not a command
[21:47] <b47619> oh
[21:47] <b47619> ok
[21:47] <cwillu> _ajw_, that should be fine, does the same on mine
[21:47] <b47619> perhaps that why...
[21:48] <cwillu> jeroen-, what does /etc/init.d/mysq<tab> give you?
[21:48] <cwillu> bah
[21:48] <cwillu> jeroen-, what does /etc/init.d/mysq<tab> restart give you?
[21:48] <lascado> alguém pode me ajduar?
[21:48] <amar-ze> when can we expect beta ?
[21:48] <cwillu> this year
[21:49] <cwillu> maybe today if you're lucky
[21:49] <KalEl> definitely
[21:49] <b47619> now hopw cn I open it...
[21:49] <_ajw_> cwillu: ...anyway I have to go now -- if it keeps reoccuring i'll be back here
[21:49] <_ajw_> cwillu: thanks for your time
[21:49] <b47619> I am not that good with linux yet
[21:49] <cwillu> b47619, in a terminal, tell me what ls -l .xsession-* says
[21:50] <Jaymac> b47619, if you are not good with linux yet then you should probably be in #ubuntu
[21:50] <jeroen-> cwillu: mysql          mysql-ndb      mysql-ndb-mgm
[21:50] <cwillu> mysql
[21:50] <jeroen-> yes
[21:50] <b47619> -rw-r--r-- 1 username username 2624 2008-03-20 07:12 .xsession-errors
[21:50] <cwillu> (wasn't dead sure what the command was)
[21:50] <b47619> username replace swith username
[21:51] <jeroen->  /etc/init.d/mysql restart gives [fail]
[21:51] <cwillu> b47619, mv .xsession-errors xsession-errors-old
[21:51] <b47619> -rw-r--r-- 1 username username 2624 2008-03-20 07:12 .xsession-errors is what it gives me
[21:51] <john__> What is a good app to try and recover files from a disk that was just formated? Some how all my disks got relabeled and now i lost my storage disk which now is my boot disk somehow
[21:51] <b47619> done
[21:51] <cwillu> b47619, don't worry about masking the username, if you're hackable, you were hackable regardless of your username (unless it's also your password, which would just be silly)
[21:52] <b47619> it took me to the prompt thing
[21:52] <cwillu> jeroen-, sec
[21:52] <cwillu> b47619, okay, now log out, log back in under the normal session, and then log back in again under the failsafe after it crashes
[21:52] <ubuntu2> how to install firefox-3.0b4.tar.bz2 ?
[21:52] <b47619> brb
[21:53] <cwillu> ubuntu2, you're running hardy?  don't.
[21:53] <cwillu> ubuntu2, afaik, the normal updates are running b4 already (even though they're not labelled as such)
[21:53] <Jaymac> !info firefox
[21:53] <ubotu> firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 61 kB, installed size 116 kB
[21:53] <cwillu> ah, it's even labelled now :)
[21:54] <Jaymac> :)
[21:54] <Gnine> i dont think ubotu is hardy savvy
[21:54] <Gnine> yet
[21:54] <b47619> ok now what?
[21:55] <cwillu> jeroen-, memory is failing me, I can't remember where the relevant debug info goes (/var/log/mysql.{log/err} is blank on mine)
[21:55] <cwillu> b47619, copy the text of that file to pastebin
[21:55] <cwillu> !pastebin
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[21:55] <b47619> how dop i open the file?
[21:56] <b47619> how exactly do I open the file?
[21:56] <cwillu> b47619, gedit ~/.xsession-errors from a terminal will work
[21:56] <cwillu> b47619, you can also do it by opening your home folder, hitting ctrl+h to show hidden files, and double clicking it
[21:57] <cwillu> (b47619, idle curiosity, how did you find yourself running hardy while it was still in alpha)
[21:57] <jeroen-> I wait I think in messages, cause my.cnf gives: Error logging goes to syslog. This is a Debian improvement :)
[21:57] <cwillu> yay
[21:57] <cwillu> because logging everything into one giant file is an improvement
[21:57] <b47619> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60344/
[21:57] <cwillu> /var/log/syslog I guess\
[21:57] <cwillu> looking
[21:58] <jeroen-> no messages?
[21:58] <b47619> no messages here just follo wthe link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60344/
[21:58] <cwillu> jeroen-, no, I meant b47619;  pastebin your syslog if you want though
[21:58] <b47619> ok
[21:58] <cwillu> b47619, in the terminal, what happens if you run 'compiz'?
[21:58] <martalli> pastebinit is a client for posting to pastebin from cli (sudo apt-get install pastebinit)
[21:59] <martalli> just thought I would pass it along as I was curious
[21:59] <jeroen-> cwillu: audit(1206028979.284:3): operation="inode_create" request_mask="w::" denied_mask="w::" name="/data2/.mysqldata/k-uptown.lower-test" pid=5826 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" namespace="default"
[21:59] <b47619> it started before compiz
[21:59] <cwillu> martalli, yep, and I look forward to the day when I can just assume it's installed :p
[21:59] <jeroen-> denied_mask?
[21:59] <b47619> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[21:59] <jeroen->  /data2/.mysqldata is my datadir
[21:59] <b47619> the screen momentarilt goes black
[21:59] <cwillu> jeroen-, when did it break?
[22:00] <cwillu> b47619, ls /etc/gnome/config show anything?
[22:00] <jeroen-> cwillu: it is in syslog
[22:01] <cwillu> jeroen-, when did it last work?
[22:01] <b47619> ls: cannot access /etc/gnome/config: No such file or direc
[22:02] <cwillu> b47619, how did you end up running hardy?
[22:02] <b47619> i wanted to.
[22:02] <b47619> oh how
[22:02]  * tsukasa_ wants beta
[22:02] <cwillu> b47619, you seem to have a fairly broken install
[22:02] <martalli> cwillu: When traipsing into alpha territory, it is always nice to have some cli tools around =)
[22:02] <martalli> and a hardline
[22:02] <b47619> i installed it on an almost 6gb partition
[22:02] <b47619> i have reinstalled it many times
[22:03] <b47619> it did the same with wubi
[22:03] <cwillu> b47619, I'm thinking it'd be best for you to do it again :p
[22:03] <b47619> and earlier alphas.
[22:03] <cwillu> b47619, any idea how /etc/gnome/config could have disappeared?
[22:03] <b47619> the live cd will not even load
[22:03] <b47619> maybe i typed it wrond let me find it manually
[22:03] <jeroen-> cwillu: I think this is the main error:  /usr/sbin/mysqld: Can't find file: './mysql/host.frm' (errno: 13)
[22:03] <cwillu> b47619, what about the memcheck tool on the live cd?
[22:03] <martalli> if the livecd won't load, maybe something is wrong with your cd (or drive)
[22:03] <b47619> i tried the cd verify and that was fine
[22:03] <cwillu> jeroen-, could you answer my question though?  it actually matters :p
[22:04] <cwillu> b47619, what about the memtest?
[22:04] <cwillu> b47619, there's also a known bug about livecd boots failing on some ide controllers, not sure if they have it fixed yet
[22:04] <b47619> i hav eno /etc/gnome/config
[22:04] <cwillu> jeroen-, I think you might be running afoul of apparmor (root folders are locked out)
[22:04] <cwillu> b47619, yes, but you should :)
[22:05] <KalEl> well, after the first few days of craze for compize wore off now i actually like metacity, among other things it also allows blender to run in windowed mode
[22:05] <b47619> i wonder why not...
[22:05] <cwillu> me too :)
[22:05] <EdwardXp3> cannot open root device "<null>"     --- kernel panic not syncing VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown  <--- i get these kernel errors i did make make install on the extracted contents of thekernel :0
[22:05] <cwillu> :/
[22:06] <jeroen-> cwillu: apparmor?
[22:06] <martalli> I am happy waiting for kde4...I have found compiz is more gee-whiz than useful (probably the same can be said for more of the kde4 stuff, too.)
[22:06] <b47619> i do wonder why i don't have /etc/gnome/config
[22:06] <b47619> I am using the graphical install
[22:07] <cwillu> jeroen-, kernel security module to prevent applications from doing things that they generally shouldn't, and might only do to take advantage of security vulnerabilities
[22:07] <b47619> in /ts/gnome all there is the defaults file
[22:07] <cwillu> jeroen-, root folders wouldn't be allowed by default, so if it worked previous to hardy, I'd blame it on that (updated profiles being more strict)
[22:08] <cwillu> jeroen-, can you pastebin the syslog file?
[22:08] <jeroen-> cwillu: yes
[22:09] <jeroen-> cwillu: where's the pastebin link
[22:09] <cwillu> !pastebin
[22:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:09] <b47619> are there known bugs with a compaq presario sr1620nx?
[22:09] <b47619> !ubuntu
[22:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[22:09] <b47619> i didn't know that worked...
[22:10] <bicchi> Is there a beta CD for hardy.
[22:10] <b47619> is there a !time command?
[22:10] <b47619> no beta yet...
[22:10] <b47619> whcih I need...
[22:10] <amar-ze> !beta
[22:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beta - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:10] <cwillu> b47619, honestly, I don't think you're at the point where we can get good bug info out of your system
[22:10] <b47619> !alpha
[22:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alpha - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:10] <cwillu> !motd
[22:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about motd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:11] <cwillu> """f you are here to ask questions such as: "What repositories do I use?" "Is Hardy going to break for me" or do not know how to deal with dependencies in apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY"""
[22:11] <b47619> 1bug
[22:11] <b47619> !bug
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[22:11] <jeroen-> cwillu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60346/
[22:11] <jeroen-> do we have SElinux now!?
[22:11] <b47619> sounds like no sql database?
[22:11] <cwillu> we've had apparmor for a while now
[22:12] <aetari1> SElinux is an annoyance
[22:12] <cwillu> SElinux has been implicated in the stopping of several bug exploits in the last few months
[22:12] <cwillu> security is an annoyance, but it's one I'm happy to deal with
[22:13] <cwillu> jeroen-, I'm not dead sure if this will work, but I _think_ you can try running sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor stop, and then restarting mysql
[22:13] <cwillu> jeroen-, it'd be best if /data2 could be moved to something under /var, /media/, etc
[22:13] <jeroen-> cwillu: yes that works
[22:13] <cwillu>  /opt, even
[22:13] <cwillu> jeroen-, okay
[22:13] <cwillu> DON'T LEAVE IT LIKE THAT ;p
[22:13] <jeroen-> cwillu: should that be the problem
[22:14] <jeroen-> no no
[22:14] <jeroen-> :-)
[22:15] <cwillu> you can drop a config file into /etc/apparmor.d/ (not /etc/apparmor/) to set up exceptions (usr.sbin.cupsd exists, for instance), but personally I'd just suggest moving the db
[22:15] <cwillu> creating new files and folders under / is a bad habit to get into)
[22:15] <jeroen-> cwillu: ok, I can move the database to /var/lib/mysql
[22:16] <jeroen-> but why shouldnt it expect a database in another location
[22:16] <cwillu> repeat after me: putting things in the standard locations is a good thing!
[22:16] <jeroen-> yes
[22:16] <jeroen-> but
[22:16] <cwillu> jeroen-, it's red flag to the kernel when it sees stuff being written to folders from apps it doesn't expect to see such things from
[22:17] <cwillu> jeroen-, if you needed to have it there (and you don't), you could look up apparmor, and figure out how to do it
[22:17] <jeroen-> cwillu: I normally do /home on a separate partition
[22:17] <cwillu> that's another matter though
[22:17] <jeroen-> to be able to reinstall linux from scratch
[22:17] <cwillu> jeroen-, what does that have to do with putting things in the root folder?
[22:17] <jeroen-> its from the old days :-)
[22:18] <cwillu> you can make /var/lib/mysql a mount
[22:18] <cwillu> even a rebind mount
[22:18] <jeroen-> cwillu: /data2 is also another partition, it was just to make sure the database was not overwritten
[22:18] <jeroen-> cwillu: thats an option
[22:18] <cwillu> it's a better option
[22:18] <jeroen-> yes I know
[22:18] <jeroen-> this setup is from years ago
[22:18] <jeroen-> one moment
[22:18] <cwillu> even /media/data2, with a rebind to mysql would work (or a symlink)
[22:19] <jeroen-> a soft link you advice or a hard link
[22:19] <cwillu> personally, I'd mount it to /media/disk2, and then symlink /var/lib/mysql/<db> to whereever you want in on disk2
[22:19] <cwillu> principle of least surprise
[22:20] <jeroen-> ok
[22:26] <jeroen-> cwillu: with a symlink won't work
[22:26] <jeroen-> I try with a copy
[22:27] <b47619> what are the possible causes of not having an /etc/gnome/config folder?
[22:27]  * xnox is my mobile JmIrc rules
[22:27] <cwillu> b47619, running an alpha version?
[22:27] <b47619> yes
[22:27] <b47619> oh that's why
[22:27] <cwillu> :p
[22:28] <b47619> is there a general chat channel here?
[22:28] <cwillu> b47619, honestly, I'd say wait until it goes final, and reinstall (or at least beta (later today), and still reinstall)
[22:28] <b47619> !generalchat
[22:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about generalchat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:28] <cwillu> #ubuntu is the general tech support channel, #ubuntu-offtopic is the general chat
[22:29] <jeroen-> cwillu: yes that works
[22:29] <jeroen-> so even a symlink will not work
[22:29] <jeroen-> grrrr
[22:29] <cwillu> does it fail the same way?
[22:29] <jeroen-> the symlink?
[22:30] <cwillu> yees
[22:30] <cwillu> yes
[22:30] <jeroen-> cwillu: kernel: [ 5779.692616] audit(1206051973.891:41): operation="inode_permission" request_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" name="/media/data2/.mysqldata/mysql/host.frm" pid=11064 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" namespace="default"
[22:30] <jeroen-> so the answer is ye
[22:30] <jeroen-> s
[22:31] <richard__> BETA FEVER! :D
[22:31] <m1r> :)
[22:32] <jeroen-> cwillu: oh well, I will keep it here
[22:33] <xnox> Maybe if we start chanting beta it will happen faster?
[22:33] <jeroen-> in the past I had also a few wikis over there, but thats now external, so the database is much smaller and /var is also another partition
[22:33] <jeroen-> anyone how, good thing to remember
[22:33] <jeroen-> for everyone! :-)
[22:34] <DanaG> β! β! β! ...
[22:34] <DanaG> heh.
[22:36] <jeroen-> ß
[22:36] <jeroen-> alt r s
[22:36] <jeroen-> alt gr s
[22:36] <DanaG> ßβßβßβ
[22:36] <DanaG> What's up with that?
[22:37] <DanaG> One is the SCIM thingy of "Latex"
[22:37] <jeroen-> I dont know
[22:37] <jeroen-> the first one is the ss
[22:37] <jeroen-> ringel-s
[22:37] <jeroen-> is that the name?
[22:37] <richard__> rigel 5?
[22:38] <DanaG> ô˛ô
[22:42]  * jepler upgrades and hopes there are no gotchas today
[22:43] <spiderfire> hello
[22:47]  * DanaG randomly lobs a ☄ at somebody.
[22:49] <spiderfire> ☄ = a rock?
[22:49] <DanaG> Comet.
[22:50] <DanaG> Run gucharmap and explore -- it's fun.
[22:50] <DanaG> ⌥⎇⌫ is ctrl-alt-backspace
[22:51] <tsukasa_> BETA!!!!
[22:51]  * tsukasa_ wants
[22:51] <EdwardXp3> can someone help me install a kernel image?
[22:53] <EdwardXp3> so far i extracted the folder' i did ln -s "linux
[22:54] <EdwardXp3> 'on the this one linux-2.6.24.3
[22:58] <DanaG> One-character word: ℻
[22:58] <Shadow_mil> Hey, there is a blind user, he is using a older version
[22:58] <Shadow_mil> but #ubuntu moves to fast for him to follow
[22:58] <J-_> I just had a weird freakin deal. my Y key kept on repeating, and the key wasn't even pressed
[22:59] <Shadow_mil> do you mind if he comes here and gets some help installing ubuntu
[22:59] <andre3> "Coming Soon" means soon today, or soon some day?
[22:59] <Shadow_mil> he does not know if his braille device is supported or not
[23:00] <DanaG> bug 194214
[23:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194214
[23:14] <dholbert> beta is up at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/, for those who hadn't already seen
[23:15] <dholbert> er, http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/   (no comma at end of URL :) )
[23:15] <richard__> SWEET BETA FEVER!!! :D
[23:18] <dholbert> Yup :)
[23:23] <axisys_> i see /usr/lib/firefox-plugins dir
[23:24] <axisys_> is that where ff 304b keeps plugins?
[23:24] <Muelli> uh. I think I just bricked my Ubuntu :( I just switched to hardy by a sed -i s/gutsy/hardy/g and now cryptsetup within initramfs doesn't find my /dev/sda3 to unlock it :( Any hints?
[23:25] <axisys_> Muelli: boot from a live cd and reverse it may be one option
[23:27] <dholbert> axisys_: I think that's where Ubuntu keeps its firefox plugins, yeah
[23:27] <Muelli> well axisys_. I can boot another kernel, and it works fine. I don't have an optical drive anyway :P
[23:27] <dholbert> axisys_: the ones you install via package manager
[23:29] <axisys_> dholbert: yep.. cool
[23:29] <axisys_> dholbert: thnx
[23:30] <Shadow_mil> axisys_, NP
[23:30] <ulisse> 'lo guys
[23:30] <EdwardXp3> :(   i don't know what the hell this is....   fakeroot make-kpkg –initrd –append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers
[23:31] <EdwardXp3> no description
[23:31] <axisys_> Muelli: cool! then just use updated-manager -d if you want to uprade to hardy
[23:31] <EdwardXp3> no how too, no samples
[23:31] <ulisse> is it happening also to you to not have any audio device configured in hardy? I tried with two cards that were working nice in gutsy...
[23:31] <axisys_> ulisse: the .12 kernel had that problem
[23:32] <axisys_> ulisse: i had same issue
[23:32] <axisys_> ulisse: they fixed it
[23:32] <ulisse> axisys_: is the fix already in the repos?
[23:32] <Muelli> axisys_: it doens't do anything (e.g. updating anything). In fact, I have hardy packages already. My problem is, that /scripts/local-top/cryptroot fails.
[23:35]  * ulisse tries another kernel...
[23:35] <axisys_> Muelli: did you follow the /topic url when upgraded to hardy beta?
[23:37] <Muelli> axisys_: probably not. I pinned hardy packages for a long time and I just switched them over. Like giving hardy 700 and gutsy 650. Just as I do since 5.04.
[23:38] <oxigen> ok , i have 32 & 64bit firefox on 64bit ubuntu, but java(s?) just dont wrok :/ what can i do, will be this install fixed before 'real' release of 8.04? :(
[23:39] <axisys_> oxigen: u will need 64 bit java lib
[23:39] <oxigen> mm!
[23:39] <oxigen> msut check if isn't there already
[23:39] <AnswerGuy> EdwardXp3: fakeroot is a Debian developer/maintainer utility to perform certain operations as if you were root without actually becoming the root user; make-kpkg is a utility to make a kernel package from pristine kernel sources; initrd is the "initial RAMdisk" used by the kernel as a temporary root filesystem while booting (so that driver modules and the like can be loaded); append-to-version is just telling the make-kpkg to append the string "-cus
[23:39] <Arand> Does anybody know how to make Brasero NOT ignore hidden files?
[23:39] <AnswerGuy> (as reported by uname -r).
[23:39] <AnswerGuy> My question would be: why are you encountering this gobbledy-gook when you don't understand any of it?
[23:41] <axisys_> oxigen: when you run file libjavaplugin_oji.so it needs to show 64-bit.. but you may already know that
[23:43] <oxigen> axisys_, no, i must admit that i'm a bit confused about all this java mumblejumble... how do i check if it is 32 or 64 bit libjavaplugin_oji.so?
[23:43] <m1r> wohoo PICI
[23:43] <oxigen> some say that is better to use 32 bit ff. some say 64, i dont know now..
[23:44] <oxigen> and wrappers!?
[23:44] <sleepy554> Could someone please pastebin their Hardy Sources.list?
[23:46] <Flannel> sleepy554: You don't need one, you can rebuild in software sources
[23:46] <oxigen> sleepy554: i'm on http://gd.tuwien.ac.at
[23:46] <twosouls82> whewhen I try to login I get "Cannot enter home directory. Using /"
[23:47] <twosouls82> -when
[23:47] <twosouls82> what does this mean?
[23:47] <axisys_> twosouls82: grep your username in /etc/passwd
[23:47] <axisys_> twosouls82: look for the home dir
[23:47] <oxigen> sleepy554: set it in system > administration > software sources
[23:48] <axisys_> twosouls82: then check if you have the dir available and owned by you
[23:48] <axisys_> twosouls82: it should have all been there .. i wonder if you removed it by mistake..ouch!
[23:48] <twosouls82> axisys_: those things were checked already
[23:48] <twosouls82> it is still there
[23:48] <twosouls82> no problems at all
[23:49] <twosouls82> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kdm/backend/client.c?r1=696289&r2=696290
[23:49] <twosouls82> might be that $HOME is unset?
[23:49] <sleepy554> its annoying when people read backlogs and somehow think theyre clever by abstractly telling you something about yourself
[23:49] <Flannel> twosouls82: Could be permissions
[23:49] <Muelli> my problem seems to be, that /sbin/udevsettle doesn't exist in my new initrds :(
[23:49] <Flannel> oh, er, nevermind.
[23:50] <axisys_> oxigen: cd to the dir where your actual java library is
[23:50] <axisys_> oxigen: and then use the file command against the lib
[23:50] <Flannel> twosouls82: so, $HOME is funky, or chdir isn' working.  Check the logs, those are more verbose.
[23:51] <twosouls82> Flennel, my VC's are black.. still thinking of a way to get to read them (the logs)
[23:51] <axisys_> oxigen: you will have better time using 32bit ff.. try ff 3.04beta
[23:51] <oxigen> axisys_ /usr/bin/java? or /usr/lib/java /usr/lib64/java /usr/share/java? :)
[23:51] <axisys_> oxigen: /usr/lib/j***
[23:51] <Arand> How can you set Brasero to include hidden files when burning??
[23:52] <Flannel> twosouls82: TTYs are black?  Intruiging.  This might just be a visible indication of larger problems then.  Try rebooting into recovery mode.
[23:54] <Arand> or is Brasero to stubborn for that?
[23:55] <flipstar> cool, the beta is out
[23:55] <zenlunatic> flipstar: says who?
[23:56] <flipstar> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/
[23:56] <jer132> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[23:56] <flipstar> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/
[23:59] <Jaymac> beta's now out?
[23:59] <flipstar> yep
[23:59] <oxigen> axisys_, hmm, so, should i amke symlink form /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun-1.6.0.04/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/lib/j***? namely there isn't one atm..
[23:59] <Jaymac> cool