[00:00] which means that the version of openoffice.org-hyphenation in hardy (and incidentally also feisty and gutsy) shares a file with the current version in hardy [00:00] more usually the second named package will be from an older release, and you can use that as a hint for the << you need to use in Replaces [00:00] ok [00:00] it looks like that particular one is out of date, mind you [00:01] pochu, thanks [00:01] ah, it's because it was in hardy, and therefore you need a Replaces to account for that [00:01] not necessarily that it is currently in hardy - it keeps historical information [00:02] note that those lists will have false positives where dpkg-divert is involved and appropriate manual overrides haven't been added [00:03] oh ok [00:03] yea that list looks really nice :) [00:08] g'night all, and thanks again for the info [00:17] is the release still on for tomorrow? [00:22] morning sabdfl [00:25] #ubuntu-motu [00:26] #ubuntu-devel [00:26] I have a question about wubi? [00:26] #ubuntu [00:27] rats. [00:27] Just missed him. [00:28] he is in #ubuntu i think [00:37] What's the difference between a delete_event and a destroy event in GTK? [01:12] is there any way to debug a postinst without building the package? [01:17] you can edit them in place in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ [01:18] most are shell, so adding 'set -x' near the top will give you an execution trace [01:23] cjwatson: the problem is that i need it to be on fresh install [01:23] mm [01:23] cjwatson: i will try to check what to do, thanks :D [01:23] nxvl: 'dpkg --unpack foo.deb', edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postinst, 'dpkg --configure foo' [01:24] debugging the preinst is harder; for that you need to unpick the deb with ar and tar and then put it back together again the way you want it [01:24] doable but tedious [01:24] cjwatson: oh! thanks i will unpack it :D [01:27] mm [01:27] but unpack is running postinst [01:27] incorrect [01:27] no [01:28] postinst is the --configure stage, which happens after unpack [01:29] i'm doing dpkg --unpack and it is running things i have write on .postinstt [01:30] then you have made a mistake somewhere. dpkg --unpack does not run the postinst. [01:32] can it be running the .config? [01:32] (except in cases where it needs to roll back from errors) [01:32] it might run the .config if you have '. /usr/share/debconf/confmodule' in your .preinst script [01:32] swapped postinst with preinst ? [01:32] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#s-unpackphase [01:33] dpkg doesn't call .config directly, only when you source the confmodule [01:33] cjwatson: thanks [01:33] (because debconf is only integrated into dpkg with spit-and-sawdust) [01:33] cjwatson: thats the why [01:33] wooohooo [01:33] * nxvl HUGS cjwatson [01:33] the difference between config and postinst is rather important ... :-) [01:37] if i run "dpkg --reconfigure foo" it will run the scripts on /var/lib/dpkg/info/ doesn't it? [01:38] err [01:38] dpkg-configure [01:41] there is no such program. Do you mean dpkg-reconfigure? [01:42] read its code and look around line 96 for what it does [01:42] it's quite a short program [01:48] is there a way to set upstart to boot up a system without starting gdm? [01:49] essentially, boot into root level 2? [01:49] er run level 2 [01:50] the default runlevel with upstart is 2; though I understand what you mean, that runlevel layout is RH-specific [01:51] hi all - i asked in #ubuntu-motu earlier, but got no response. the xubuntu-docs are finished. (you can view them at: http://doc.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ ) would someone be willing to build them for me, or to help me build them? [01:51] slangasek: Ok, _MMA_ and I are happy with UbuntuStudio images. [01:51] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/xubuntu-hardy [01:52] TheMuso: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all doesn't show any test results, is that validation in progress? [01:52] ugh hang on [01:52] _MMA_: ^^^ [01:54] * TheMuso only tested a manual partition install with creating new partitions... I have no time to do other tests, so I supposed I'll have to leave it up to the others to give the final word then. _MMA_ stated that he was happy, dispite having only done one form of install, which one I am not sure... [01:56] hrm, well guess I can just have them twiddle /etc/X11/default-display-manager [01:56] bryce: so in theory, you could get what you wanted by mv /etc/rc3.d/{S30,K30}gdm, and then, if upstart's sysvinit emulation is feature-complete, append '3' to the end of the boot line in grub [01:57] ok [02:01] brb (rebooting fresh upgrade from gutsy to hardy, wish me luck) [02:04] yay [02:10] <_MMA_> slangasek: Sorry. Had alot going on here. I did 2 tests. Added the results. === jescis_ is now known as jescis [02:29] _MMA_: ok, cheers === superm1 is now known as Daviey_ === Daviey_ is now known as superm1 === thegodfather is now known as fabbione [04:03] are there any negatives to using wubi? [04:04] You have to have Windows? [04:05] heh [04:06] you'll be running two OSs at once, so things will be slow [04:06] at least Windows-slow :) [04:08] ash211: But you won't, right? You boot into linux on the metal; it's not virtualised. [04:09] I'm pretty sure it is, actually. [04:09] It's homepage says you don't need to modify partitions or bootloaders, so I'm thinking it must run as an app within windows [04:09] everything I'm reading seems to point that way [04:09] http://wubi-installer.org/ [04:11] It doesn't change the partitions because it makes a filesystem in a file on your existing NTFS partition, and it doesn't add a *new* bootloader because it uses Windows' existing bootloader. [04:11] ash211: it doesn't run on top of windows [04:11] hmm, didn't know that [04:12] looks like I had a fundamental misunderstanding in how it works [04:12] evand: any ideas? [04:13] i need to blow away my laptop anyway so i was considering just reinstalling ubuntu in wubi form since it appears ubuntu supports ntfs write properly now [04:13] i need windows occasionally on bare metal (not via vm) to update stuff [04:15] stuff sounds mysterious [04:18] hmm sounds like hibernation/suspend may not work on it [04:18] which isn't good for a laptop [04:19] Wonder if wubi runs in Wine... [04:19] now that's a headache! [04:21] Yeah :P [04:21] Recently, we got Cygwin running in Wine :) [04:21] Like in the last couple weeks, iirc. [04:21] There are still some problems, like GCC doesn't work properly, etc. [04:21] But the basic shell runs. :) [04:22] Wubi edits the bootloader? [04:22] wubi is just an installer i think [04:22] that causes the windows bootloader to load something to bootstrap a loopback linux boot [04:23] so no it wouldn't run under wine [04:23] or at least would be very unlikely to do so properly [04:24] Yeah [04:28] there is some info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/Wubi === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [04:47] looks like hibernation doesn't work according to the wiki beta page [04:48] but sleep should [05:12] anyone familiar with virt-manager? [05:14] I know it can be used to administer guests on a remote server, because that's what the release notes in front of me say ;) [05:14] heh yea [05:15] well i am trying to get virt-manager/kvm setup so i can get rid of vmware [05:15] but it won't let me select the "enable kernel/hardware acceleration" option [05:15] 64-bit system? [05:15] yea [05:15] laptop? [05:16] slangasek: I'm having issues using my wubi install of ubuntu should that be a wubi bug? [05:16] 64bit desktop that has the vmx extension [05:16] bdmurray: as I starting point, I suppose so? [05:16] calc: then you're already a step ahead of me in the analysis :) [05:16] thats all i know to do [05:17] * calc thinks there should a setup page on the wiki about it [05:17] I agree [05:17] keescook: you awake? [05:17] iirc keescook was mentioning he was using it earlier today [05:18] i was going to host all my images on my desktop to get rid of the space issue on my laptop [05:18] and then found out it is supposed to run it faster with hardware accel, but its still grayed out [05:18] my laptop is one of the cheapo chips with it disabled [05:19] apparently the chips they use in store laptops don't have it (or didn't last june) [05:19] my laptop was not cheap, but it's still disabled :P [05:19] I'm told that it's largely a BIOS issue [05:19] slangasek: oh [05:19] at least for mine [05:20] i think for some its disabled in cpu itself, and iirc mine is like that [05:20] its a C2D T5300 [05:20] right, mine's a T5500; I hadn't heard about the possibility of disablement within the CPU [05:20] I just know "no worky" [05:21] ah ok [05:21] as i understand it it's just your BIOS locking it out because you didn't buy the business laptop [05:21] not that it helps [05:22] Amaranth: so its not something that the kernel can just override like it can in most other cases? [05:22] I guess not [05:23] what laptop is this? [05:23] oh, desktop [05:23] hrm [05:24] well on my desktop it shows that it supports it in cpuinfo [05:24] but virt-manager won't let me select the box [05:24] on my laptop it doesnt show that it supports it in cpuinfo [05:25] ah, so what laptop? [05:25] toshiba satellite A205-4577 [05:25] of course the hardware extensions don't really speed things up [05:26] vmware will still blow it away [05:26] Amaranth: oh :-\ [05:27] the vmware guys found that when they made vmware use the hardware extensions things got slower [05:27] http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/core2duo.htm [05:27] according to intel, whether its in bios or not, my and slangasek's cpus don't do VT [05:27] ah, sucks [05:28] * calc wonders what Intel Trusted Execution Technology is [05:28] i guess they had to do something with the chips that failed testing [05:28] its not the execute disable bit, so wonder what tha tis [05:29] all of the T7XXX series does it [06:07] good morning [06:19] Hi all [06:22] good morning dholbach [06:22] hi highvoltage [06:38] calc: yeah, check with soren just in case. [06:38] * dholbach hugs keescook [06:38] hi dholbach! [06:39] lamont: say, I'm tracking down an issue, and I've traced it back to swapon in feisty. === jescis_ is now known as jescis [06:39] lamont: between feisty and gutsy 30swsusp-resume.dpatch vanished without reference in the changelogs. [06:40] lamont: the patch seems to be the cause of the "zomg my swap UUID changed" bug, and lacking is the cause of the "ack, I have no swap anymore" bug. [06:40] lamont: seems the correct fix is to teach mkswap how to re-use and existing UUID, and then update 30swsusp-resume accordingly -- that should fix both bugs. [06:55] so, I see http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/94/ (#1 idea, suspend), and have read some of the comments, such as this is extremely difficult for many factors. Is there any momentum on this front, in spite of the many factors? [07:02] lamont: oh, hey, hardy mkswap supports UUID. :) [07:29] Good morning [07:34] slangasek, verified the i386 works for us. [07:34] (on the mythbuntu alt disk that is) [07:36] superm1: great, thanks [07:36] pitti: morning [07:38] hunteke: it's something that will take more than ubuntu to fix. it's not just attention to a few details and patches away from "just working" [07:39] hunteke: I think mjg59's been doing a decent job cataloging the problems with the current "architecture" [07:39] unfortunately too, issues lie in the videobios sometimes [07:39] pwnguin: alright, I'll buy that. But is there a discussion somewhere about it? The only thing I see from Canonical/Ubuntu are borked scripts/hibernate,sleep buttons, and details through brainstorm. [07:39] pwnguin: cool where do I find that? [07:39] mjg59's stuff that is [07:40] linuxconf. lemme grab a link real quick [07:40] which on the windows side of things, that's part of the reason why they will only qualify a particular driver release to that machine. they have a special code path to work around a bad vbios [07:40] k, thx [07:40] http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2008/Fri/mel8-139.ogg [07:40] http://linux.conf.au/programme/presentations [07:41] superm1: yeah, I sorta figured, part of the buying-through-a-vendor-service and MS tax, I expect [07:41] pwnguin: oh excellent! it's a movie presentation. :-) [07:41] well not even that. it's exclusively that vendors don't always stick to the "spec" [07:41] much easier to digest [07:42] well, broken video bioses etc can probably be avoided by intelligent linux laptop vendors [07:42] but even in such limited and advantageous, I dont think the current suspend / hibernate regime is helping [07:43] pwnguin, superm1: so perhaps a better question, how can I help tilt against this windmill? [07:43] hunteke: read LKML? [07:43] the problem with them is that they typically freeze a month or two before the laptop is about to be released, so if linux is an afterthought by the vendor, they won't have much leeway in getting vbios fixed. [07:43] pwnguin: no, just the digest I get through LJ [07:44] hunteke: which is that? [07:44] Linux Journal [07:44] sort of more oriented towards beginners [07:44] oh. not liveJournal. [07:44] that say, linux magazine [07:44] makes more sense [07:44] heh [07:44] morning dholbach, I added a dialog to choose teams to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thekorn/five-a-day/teams.applet [07:45] hunteke: well, aside from patience and learning more, you could perhaps found a kernel forum on the subject? [07:46] or fund one ;) === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [07:48] keescook: Are you around? [07:52] abogani: he might have gone to bed (0:52 at his place) [07:52] thekorn: you ROCK - looking at it in a bit [07:52] dholbach: Ops Sorry! [07:53] pwnguin: sorry had to run away for a min. hehe, seeing as how I'm basically a poah-ass-student, funding isn't an option. [07:53] I would like it to be though. so perhaps after I make my first million or something . . . [07:54] are there other things I, as a peon could do? [07:54] read lkml I suppose [07:55] the options basically involve "practice patience", or "become an expert and get irreversibly sucked in to the development process" ;) [07:55] hehe, alright. I guess I was looking for more social things [07:56] perhaps analogous to "writing my congress/senator" [07:56] abogani: while dholbach would normally be right, I'm addicted to fixing a swap/resume issue at the moment. what's up? [07:56] keescook: wow [07:56] hunteke: in reference to fixes for laptop support? you have far less leverage with your laptop vendor than you do with your senator :-P [07:56] hah [07:56] keescook: pff, who are you kidding, I see you keeping late hours all the time :) [07:57] say, where're you all? [07:57] kansas [07:57] slangasek: I want to deny! ... but it's true. [07:57] it's almost 4a here, well past my bedtime [07:57] (yes, it is way late here) [07:57] Cascadia! [07:57] and I thought I was mad getting up early because my girlfriend had to (after a very short night) :) [07:57] keescook: Sorry for bother you but #107209 is already fixed. Please set it accordingly for Gutsy and Hardy. Dapper seems not affected. [07:59] dholbach: oh, don't let the presence of either kees or myself leave you with any doubts about your own madness [07:59] I assure you, I'm also quite mad [07:59] slangasek: I wouldn't dare to excuse my own madness with that of other people :) [08:00] abogani: dapper is affected (it lacks the "fix" that was attempted in 2.6.17). Yes, Hardy is fixed (which is why there isn't a "linux" task) [08:01] I knew I was in trouble when I'd say thing like "Am I crazy, or $blah", and people would say "yes". [08:02] Why bug is marked "In Progess" fro Hardy and Gutsy? :-? [08:03] abogani: not sure where you're looking ... linux-* tasks are a bit oddball (there is no "hardy" version of linux-source-2.6.15 e.g.) [08:06] Opss i' looking wrong bug report! [08:07] * abogani really need a coffe! === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:07] abogani: oh! haha. okay, sanity returns [08:38] lamont: debdiff attached to bug #66637 for your examination. [08:38] Launchpad bug 66637 in util-linux "After running mkswap, swap space is discarded, system fails to hibernate (invalid swap signature)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66637 [08:38] * keescook goes to bed [08:48] good night keescook [09:14] pitti, when will langpacks be released? it's been over a week I think [09:15] TomaszD: right after beta freeze is over [09:15] pitti, thanks [09:24] calc: "Executable Disable" bit is the ability to mark certain pages in RAM non-executable. It foils buffer overflow attacks. [09:24] calc: You may have heard about it as the NX bit. [09:26] pitti: I commited a small fix for dapper->hardy upgrades into the hal bzr, please review and if you are happy, I'm going to upload [09:26] calc: It's true that certain C2D's don't have the IVT extensions, namely the T52x0, T5300, T54x0, T5500 with stepping "B2", E2xx0, E4x00 and E8190 models. (reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT-x#Intel_VT_.28IVT.29) [09:27] soren: so if I see stepping: 6, does that mean the chips support it and my bios is ornery? [09:28] <\sh> if somebody is so kind, and can explain how to setup a sane and clean chroot for building lpia apps on archs like i386 or amd64...reading this maemo-sdk-setup-doing-manually-stuff on nokia pages scares me...are the any possibilities to do it in a debian way? :) [09:28] slangasek: If you're looking at the cpuinfo anyway, just look for "vmx" in the cpuflags. [09:28] \sh: debootstrap --arch lpia? [09:28] slangasek: (Notice how I avoided exposing my lack of ability to actually answer your question) [09:28] soren: yeah, no vmx in the cpuflags; I was vaguely hoping that was because the BIOS had hidden it from me :/ [09:29] slangasek: No. [09:29] slangasek: The cpuflags will show it regardless. [09:29] slangasek: When you try to load the modules, they'll tell you that the BIOS doesn't like you. [09:29] heh, ok [09:30] <\sh> slangasek: if this is so easy...is it compiling to i386 or ARM arch? [09:30] lpia is i386 compatible. [09:31] <\sh> soren: thx [09:32] * soren wanders off again (seeing as he's supposed to be on holiday) === asa2 is now known as asac__ [09:46] how can I reduce the 'wait for root fs' delay again? [09:49] pitti, isnt that just waiting until the device shows up (HW dependant) [09:50] right, but in my special case I need to fix the initramfs first, and I'm sick of waiting one minute :) [09:52] heya people [09:58] is the language selector menu item not working on the CD a known issue? [10:02] ummm [10:02] which one? [10:02] the one that opens right at boot? [10:02] slangasek: system, administration, language support [10:02] Ubuntu? Kubuntu? [10:02] seb128: what happens if you click on it? [10:03] seb128: and what is printed on the terminal if you run: gnome-language-selector? [10:03] mvo: the desktop has "/usr/bin/gnome-language-selector -n" as a command [10:03] mvo: the "" are breaking it [10:03] there was a bug reported against language-selector-qt only [10:03] so I guess the gnome one wasn't tested [10:04] clicking on it gives a "no such file or directory" [10:04] seb128: that is strange, my bzr looks fine [10:05] * mvo investigates [10:05] withou the "" around the command name it works correctly [10:06] hum, I don't get it, the version installed on my desktop doesn't have the bug [10:07] ah, 0.3.1 on the CD [10:07] I think its because the desktop file is modified for the language-selector .. [10:07] how come? [10:07] in livecd build (or whatever the script is called :) [10:07] its run with -n there to supress the message about missing language-pack packages [10:08] ah ok [10:08] so whatever does this change is buggy [10:08] cjwatson: ^? [10:08] it probably happend when we swichted it from root to use and removed the gksu [10:09] \o/ I managed to do an encrypted LVM installation with the desktop CD [10:12] ./scripts/casper-bottom/35fix_language_selector:24: sed -i '/^Exec/ s|/usr/bin/gnome-language-selector|"& -n"|' /root/usr/share/applications/language-selector.desktop [10:13] seb128: that code dates from October 2006 [10:13] seb128: have the semantics of Exec changed? [10:13] cjwatson: not that I know, but could be a side effect of the gnome-desktop switch to gio [10:14] I'm not sure it's correct to use "" there or if the fact it was working before was a bug [10:14] let me look at the spec [10:15] http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s06.html seems to suggest it was a bug that it worked before [10:15] ogra ping [10:15] is there a bug number for this? [10:16] cjwatson: not that I know, I was asking what would be the right component [10:16] casper [10:18] calc, bdmurray: does bug #203984 really refer to suspending *from* the CD, or from a system installed using it? [10:18] Launchpad bug 203984 in linux "[hardy beta] [amd64] squashfs errors on resume from desktop cd" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203984 [10:19] cjwatson: bug #204185 [10:19] Launchpad bug 204185 in casper "language-selector menu entry broken due to extra quote use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204185 [10:20] the history suggests that in fact it was necessary at one point [10:20] "Make sure to quote arguments to properly" is the (slightly mangled, apparently) log message [10:20] davmor2, pong ? [10:21] ogra: edubuntu failed to install from netboot (mini.iso) [10:21] oh, crap, we need to stop building that [10:21] seb128: thanks, fixed in bzr [10:21] cjwatson: thank you [10:21] ogra: no we don't, mini.iso is common to everything [10:22] you just need to stop testing it ;-) [10:22] hmm [10:22] well, it shouldnt be in the task list [10:22] davmor2: Edubuntu is only installable as an add-on CD now; discard all test cases that involve testing it directly [10:22] think it is to do with italc-client [10:22] oh, netboot [10:22] that actually should work [10:22] ogra: no reason why not, if installing over the network [10:22] oh, right [10:22] that should j8ust install edubuntu-desktop [10:23] davmor2: post syslog [10:23] ogra: I'm letting stgraber know the error [10:24] cjwatson: How do get the syslog? [10:24] italc-client only depends on libitalc libqt4-core libqt4-gui [10:24] so i wonder what can go wrong ther [10:24] e [10:24] davmor2: back up to the installer main menu and select "save debug logs" [10:24] * ogra tries to apt-get it [10:25] I tried edubuntu addon yesterday on i386 and it worked well, italc was installed and working after rebooting [10:25] and I'm running the devel package for iTalc on my lappy (amd64) [10:25] works fine from apt-get as well [10:27] and runs with no problems ... [10:27] yes, speculation is moderately pointless without the log file :) [10:27] yup [10:29] hum [10:29] actually i dont understand why it gets pulled in at all [10:29] its only a dep in the addon seed, not of edubuntu-desktop itselrf [10:30] * ogra wonders if tasksel exposes edubuntu-desktop-addon instead of edubuntu-desktop [10:30] mvo: ugh, good catch; please upload [10:31] guys goto www.davmor2.co.uk [10:32] cjwatson: ogra: stgraber: [10:32] thanks pitti, will do [10:33] davmor2, stgraber: use of deprecated chown syntax in postinst [10:33] slangasek: no idea it just stopped installing :) [10:34] stgraber: but I guess the more significant problem is that the package assumes group 'admin' exists when it doesn't? [10:34] indeed [10:34] when is the admin group created ? [10:34] i would be more intrested why its pulled in at all [10:35] dunno; it's not part of base-passwd, I would suggest that you simply try to create the group yourself before using it [10:35] slangasek: hmm, wouldn't that cause a fail for the package that actually creates it ? [10:35] shouldn't [10:36] "addgroup admin" when "admin" exists returns 1 [10:36] all such packages *should* know how to handle a group that already exists; I'm looking for the responsible package to verify, though [10:36] guys anyone who needs the log if you can copy it that would be great then I can carry on testing [10:37] stgraber: well, the only package I see creating the group in postinst on my system is jockey-common [10:37] davmor2: for me that's ok, I know what to change [10:37] I don't think you want to depend on that :) [10:37] indeed :) [10:37] so it's probably created by the installer when adding the user to the system [10:37] but, jockey-common does have a good example of how to do this idempotently [10:38] yes, probably [10:38] anyone else need the log? [10:38] stgraber: the same thing happen on 64bit too [10:39] yes, it's not architecture-dependent [10:39] slangasek: how can I quickly check if the group exists ? (!= parsing /etc/group) [10:40] stgraber: see the jockey-common postinst -- "getent group admin" [10:41] ok, will be fixed after beta (I need to upload a fix anyway) [10:42] ogra@ceron:~/devel/seeds/edubuntu.hardy$ apt-cache show edubuntu-desktop|grep italc [10:42] ogra@ceron:~/devel/seeds/edubuntu.hardy$ [10:42] * ogra scratches head [10:43] what's exactly the problem ? the edubuntu desktop task installs the content of edubuntu desktop addon task ? [10:43] ogra: education-thin-client-server suggests it, though it's a bit odd if that causes it to be pulled in [10:44] i wonder if -meta is out of sync [10:44] * ogra tests an update run [10:44] the Packages file lists italc-client as part of edubuntu-desktop-addon task, yes [10:44] right [10:45] that's right [10:45] but its not in -desktop [10:45] so netinstall installs edubuntu-desktop-addon instead of edubuntu-desktop ??? [10:45] -addon creates -desktop [10:46] or: is the base for * [10:49] Added italc-client to desktop-addon-i386, desktop-addon-amd64, desktop-addon-powerpc, desktop-addon-ia64, desktop-addon-sparc, desktop-addon-hppa, desktop-addon-lpia [10:49] Removed thin-client-manager-gnome from desktop-kde-i386, desktop-kde-amd64, desktop-kde-powerpc, desktop-kde-ia64, desktop-kde-sparc, desktop-kde-hppa, desktop-kde-lpia [10:49] * ogra cries [10:51] slangasek, fine with you to fix that after beta ? i dont want to delay anything [10:51] does that only affect the netinstall ? [10:52] ogra: yes, after beta should be fine [10:52] there is no other method i know of that would allow you to use edubuntu-desktop dirctly on install [10:52] my fonts in mutt are borked after last week's updates; it can't display line drawing characters or international characters [10:52] so likely only the netboot is affected [10:52] has anyone else seen something similar? [10:52] not here, mutt displays fine for me [10:53] mdz, checked your locale ? [10:53] if that's only netboot, it'll be fixed as soon as the fix is uploaded so will be fixed hours after Hardy's beta. === heno__ is now known as heno [11:10] _MMA_: Ubuntu Studio Alternate i386 (20080319.1) needs testing [11:18] mvo: what would you think to adding a Kubuntu KDE 4 Desktop file in app-install-data? [11:18] * Hobbsee wonders when jono will appear. [11:19] Hobbsee: do you need him for something? [11:19] Hobbsee: after the hard work is done ;) [11:20] Riddell: got some questions on dealing with abuse of power, and how to do that. [11:20] Hobbsee: he's on #kubuntu [11:21] Riddell: oh, he's in -women too. should have checked for that, thanks. [11:25] good to know he knows his place in life :) [11:28] Riddell: you'd think the beard was a give away though wouldn't you :)# [11:32]