[03:30]  * P3L|C4N0 slds
[09:29] <popey> what's the ubotu thing that tells you how to compile stuff from source?
[09:29] <popey> !source
[09:29] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[09:30] <popey> hmm
[09:30] <popey> aha! !compile
[10:06] <jussi01> popey: you can use !search <keyword> to assist with that :)
[10:06] <popey> cool, ta
[10:07] <jussi01> :)
[13:56] <persia> Hi.  There's been a recent unbanning of a previously banned person on #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu.  My prior understanding was that a ban was retained until removed by either the banning operator or another operator, or an issue was raised as part of dispute resolution.
[13:57] <persia> Could someone please confirm my understanding, or point me to documentation that might help better educate me?
[14:02] <encryptz> so the ban has been released?
[14:02] <persia> Apparently, but the operator removing the ban indicated they had done so under pressure, and I'm not sure if that is ideal.
[14:03] <encryptz> generally, the one who does the ban releases the ban
[14:03] <PriceChild> persia: could you tell me which ban so I can find logs on the bantracker?
[14:03] <persia> Further, the ban was in support of a MOTU Council decision for somebody to not participate.  While it is properly up to the IRC Operators whether to ban or not, rather than MOTU Council, I have an interest in the ban.
[14:04] <persia> PriceChild: unaffiliated/Kmox
[14:04] <PriceChild> ahhh
[14:04] <persia> Err.  unaffiliated/Kmos
[14:04] <PriceChild> One moment.
[14:05] <persia> (Actually, I don't understand IRC very well, it may have only been a removal of voice rather than a channel block)
[14:08] <PriceChild> j #ubuntu-motu
[14:09] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: you need a pastebin?
[14:09] <PriceChild> I hate typos.
[14:10] <PriceChild> No I've found it all I think.
[14:10] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: http://pastebin.ca/950309
[14:11] <PriceChild> persia: I'm not sure what you're asking for. An operator of #ubuntu-motu chose to remove the ban?
[14:12] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: because the MC did not deem that it should be banned, and various people complained.
[14:13] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: what the MC really needs to do is to issue a statement requesting a ban, in which channels, and what type of ban (ban or quiet), to the irc & motu ML's, imo
[14:13] <persia> PriceChild: I'm mostly trying to understand the rules.  I thought any operator could institute or remove a ban, and was allowed to do so as long as it didn't get raised for dispute resolution.  That doesn't match what Hobbsee said, which confuses me.
[14:13] <Hobbsee> persia: oh, they can.
[14:13] <PriceChild> persia: people on the access list are free to ban/unban etc. etc. as they wish. It is up for the channel contact/owners to put their own policy and ask their ops to follow.
[14:14] <persia> The official MC position is that MC doesn't have jurisdiction over IRC, but appreciates support for decisions (like Kmos not participating) from the IRC Operators.
[14:14] <Hobbsee> persia: but, the MC, etc didn't agree with that, and i got mass emails telling me i was wrong.
[14:14] <persia> PriceChild: Thanks for the confirmation.
[14:14] <Hobbsee> persia: hence, i don't plan to act again until the MC actually gives a hard request on !irc requesting a ban, so then i can point anyone who decides to cause problems about it to the MC.
[14:14] <persia> Hobbsee: Speaking for the MC, we agree.  I'll get another op to reinstate the ban if you don't want your name on the list.
[14:15] <persia> Any volunteers?
[14:15] <Hobbsee> persia: i want that written, publically, in !irc
[14:15]  * Hobbsee is happy to reban, but...
[14:15] <Hobbsee> i dont' want more mass emails about how it should'nt have been done
[14:16] <Hobbsee> and if i get them, i'll forward them straight to you guys, and it won't be my problem, as i've followed the requests of the MC.
[14:16] <persia> Right.  I'll have to get that reviewed, but this isn't the forum.
[14:16] <persia> PriceChild: Thanks again for the confirmation.
[14:16] <persia> Hobbsee: Thanks for the ban.  I'll let you kow.
[14:16] <Hobbsee> cool
[14:33] <Pip> How can I reach ubuntu channels as a tor user and without registered
[14:34] <Hobbsee> you can't.
[14:35] <Pip> :D
[14:35] <Pip> I'm trying your advice
[14:35] <jpatrick> !tor-gpg | this ought to do it
[14:35] <ubotu> this ought to do it: You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.
[14:37] <Pip> I see
[14:37] <encryptz> tor is slick. i just wish it wasn't so laggy
[15:02] <Pip> good
[15:27] <encryptz> !tor
[15:27] <ubotu> TOR is a project aiming to provide anonymous connections via specialized !proxies - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR for information and help - Note that TOR is blocked on most Ubuntu IRC channels, please see !hostmask and !tor-gpg
[15:27] <encryptz> i see tha factoid has been updated to something more accurate and less biased. ツ
[15:43] <_r1_> hi
[15:43] <TheDeadAngel666> _r1_: plop
[15:43] <_r1_> oO
[17:08] <erUSUL> !ar
[17:08] <ubotu> La comunidad local de Argentina se puede encontrar en #ubuntu-ar y en su canal de offtopic: #ubuntu-ar-cafe
[17:08] <erUSUL> !jo
[17:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:15] <Pici> jo?
[17:16] <nalioth> jordan ?
[17:25] <erUSUL> nalioth: yes; i was trying to figure out the jordan channel
[17:25] <erUSUL> nalioth: it does not exist; isn't it?
[17:27] <nalioth> erUSUL: it is registered
[17:29] <erUSUL> nalioth: well nevermind it was just someone asking on #ubuntu
[19:20] <emgent> hello
[19:20] <emgent> It's possible to join ubot in #ubuntu-hardened ?
[19:32] <Tm_T> emgent: hmm, try #ubuntu-bots and/or #ubuntu-ops ?