[00:28] what [00:29] he ended up in ubuntu-ops. i'm unsur ewhy that's so surprising to him [00:38] he asked to be unbanned in #ubuntu, in #freenode [00:39] so i told him come here [00:39] no idea what the ban is about [00:55] I think he was confused that you were in both locations [00:55] perhaps [00:55] is PriceChild applying for sainthood too?? [00:56] jdong: what've I done now? [00:56] 20:55 <+Pici> I think he was confused that you were in both locations [00:56] jdong: haven't applied yet, need a little more practice. [00:56] You'd need to be dead too :/ [00:56] Or is that getting printed on US money? [00:58] * jdong thinks of mean joke, but decides not to say it.... [01:39] In #ubuntu-chicago, Spaceman3750 said: ubotu j1mc is The destroyer of all things doc related [01:50] Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (grey_) [01:51] eh [01:51] Amaranth: what was that link? : [01:51] It was just an irc link. [01:51] PriceChild: some irc channel [01:51] would that really go to a channel? :/ [01:51] which looks 4chan related [01:51] yes [01:51] there's no prefix [01:51] oh, then it might not [01:52] i dunno, i guess it depends on the server? [01:52] odd how it join/parted yes [01:52] doesn't it require a prefix, to stop users/channels getting confuseD? [01:53] which link? [01:53] 01:50:28 < ~grey_> irc://irc.delinked.us/chanchan [01:53] ahhh [01:53] trillian will obey that [01:54] er, cz, actually [01:55] ok so im here asking to get unbanned is that posible? [01:56] * AndrewB prods PriceChild [01:56] robby_kane: one moment please :) [01:56] hay may i form a request to get unnband? [01:56] oh ok sorry :) [01:56] i can wait [01:56] robby_kane: Do you recall why you were banned? [01:57] for posting lines of errors that the terminal gave me when thay told me not too..... also thay always aked me what is rong and i couldent explain it without doing so but ya [01:57] im realy sorry for spamming the channel [01:57] !paste | robby_kane [01:57] robby_kane: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [01:58] robby_kane: you were given that advice by ubotu ^ [01:58] * PriceChild wonders why you claimed different reasons for being banned in #freenode. [01:58] ahh well i dint understand it at the time lol XD [01:58] robby_kane: got it now? [01:58] yes that i understand [01:59] Good good. [01:59] how about being banned in ##linux? [01:59] We're only #ubuntu people. [01:59] ok ok :) [01:59] i hate this chair brb [01:59] !guidelines | robby_kane [01:59] robby_kane: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [01:59] robby_kane: go read that too please. [02:00] (including the page linked to) [02:00] robby_kane: ##linux-ops is your next stop [02:02] ok so im unbanned? [02:02] i can go to linux next if u want :) [02:03] robby_kane: it is up to you where you go from here :) [02:05] ok ok so i read all the guidlines and i am verry sorry can i get unbanned >'_'< [02:11] so is there enything i can do to get unbanned? [02:11] can i try and bribe u? [02:12] robby_kane: right so you understand why and how we use pastebin, I'll unban you, please abide by the channel guidelines :) [02:13] ya ok cool so now sex no spam no pastes of randomw junk and no trolling/ flameing [02:13] got ya... [02:13] :-* [02:13] civility is all we ask :) [02:14] but im only human XD [02:35] is anyone else getting annoyed by the dal.net recuiters. It's getting a bit repetitious [02:36] nikrud: not recruiters. trolls on a chaos campaign. [02:36] seemed polite enough, but it's annoying [02:37] nikrud: its been going on for quite a while [02:38] Pici: I've seen it before, but now it's like almost daily. Come into ubuntu, ask a couple questions, then pm and recruit. [02:38] eh. Just wanted to complain at someone [02:39] nikrud: call in the airstrikes! full napalm run! [02:39] * nikrud sidles away from nalioth (again ;P) [02:46] nikrud: I usually drop a note in #freenode with the persons nick and host info when I get those. [02:47] Don't know if I want to escalate that far. I'll see how they took my last, hard brushoff first. [02:48] nikrud: they will outnumber you by proxy [02:49] nalioth: they're all out of that one channel there? Sigh [02:49] anyway, it's more of an annoyance than anything else. I've had worse things happen in my life === anthony is now known as tonyyarusso [03:22] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [03:22] Netham45 called the ops in #ubuntu () [03:23] Gee, thanks, Floodbot3 [03:23] heh [03:23] Gee, thanks, Floodbot2, rather. [03:23] Bots were probably lagged. [03:23] I guess [03:23] Or they just don't like you. [03:24] And now I don't like them ;) [04:50] SNuxoll called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (SidStudios) [04:53] In #ubuntuforums-beginners, paultag said: !learn paultag is sweet [05:37] floodbots in #ubuntu are acting up again [05:37] They sure are [05:38] so do some magic :) [05:38] I have no control of the floodbots [05:38] In fact, I got muted myself today by one of them. [05:38] that's why it would be magic, I guess. [05:38] * tritium eyes FloodBot2 [05:38] how did that happen? [05:38] I was being particularly helpful, I guess. [05:39] lol, flooder [05:39] I think the bots lagged, and saw that I was responding to too many people, or something. [05:39] what sort of acting up tritium ? [05:39] Let that be a warning to you ;) [05:39] heh [05:39] tonyyarusso: lagging, and then muting the most helpful people [05:39] lol... [05:40] :) [05:40] LjL: Maybe there should be some kind of exception to the flood detection based on whether there is a nick prefixed in the message, and it changes on each line. [05:40] tonight, after the recent flood. they were playing patty cake with each other, seems to have settled out [05:40] tonyyarusso: good suggestion [05:42] Well, good night, folks. [05:42] * tonyyarusso notes that it's easier said than coded [05:43] * nikrud notes that goes without saying [05:44] In #ubuntuforums-beginners, paultag said: !learn paultag is awsome [06:02] I don't see anything wrong with the floodbots [06:02] they did exactly what they were supposed to do [06:12] Amaranth: not exactly [06:12] two of them set +J instead of one [06:13] then they deopped each other until only one was opped [06:13] Perhaps they're working properly at the moment, but not earlier. [06:13] they were when nikrud said something here, as far as i can see [06:14] Yes, but not earlier than that when I was muted. [06:16] Err, Can i ask Why i was banned from #Ubuntu? === Black_Magic_ is now known as Black_Magic === Black_Magic is now known as Johnny4 === Johnny4 is now known as Black_Magic [06:20] Amaranth: I probably jumped the gun, true [06:20] Black_Magic: I believe it was for running a bot. [06:20] huh... [06:20] I havent had a bot in #Ubuntu [06:20] Johnny4 auto-responded to a bot factoid request [06:20] @btlogin [06:21] Black_Magic: ring a bell? [06:22] Oh Well then Sorry i just was adding AI to it so it joins channels it likes it just scans channels and chooses random also i was adding tcl scripts so it has features [06:22] sec... telnetting it [06:22] to see what channels it was joining [06:23] Black_Magic: [06:23] 2008-03-20T06:44:13 !8ball are you a bot [06:23] 2008-03-20T06:44:16 tonyyarusso, my 8-ball says how appropriate, you fight like a cow... [06:23] Black_Magic: after that, tonyyarusso banned you. Please talk to him. [06:23] wtf... [06:23] how did he know the !8ball thing? [06:24] second Im adding #Ubuntu to Blacklist for Toys ect [06:24] Black_Magic: these guys have been around the block. Skating around the edges will get you tripped up.. [06:25] nikrud, Huh? [06:25] Black_Magic: I like you, talk with you a lot. But you play around the edges too much. [06:26] Well its a new bot and a buddy is helping my Make AI [06:26] nikrud, Please Explain "Skating Around the Edges" [06:26] Black_Magic: skating around the edges is pushing the envelope ;) [06:27] Oh Sorry Im not trying to push the envelope well Im Sorry for my bots responds and ill make sure that all scripts keep him away from Ubuntu's Official channels [06:28] phobos_anomaly needs a ban in #u due to (failed) dcc attack [06:28] Black_Magic: you'll need to talk to tonyyarusso about it as tritium says. I'll talk to you later, it's bedtime [06:28] Hes away cleaning up.. [06:32] stdin: thanks. [06:33] Well thanks for your help and sorry for my bot Joining #Ubuntu and disturbing it. [06:34] Black_Magic: just talk to tonyyarusso later. I expect he'll take care of it. [06:34] tritium: Ok mm Want to come to ##Black_Magic and help me find bugs in my bot? [06:35] Black_Magic: no, thanks. I'm going to bed. [06:35] Oh ok thx anyways [06:36] Sure, good night. [06:54] Watch out for phobos_anomaly. [06:58] me? [06:58] Black_Magic: no, note to the other ops [06:58] Good night. [07:00] Black_Magic, might I ask what you are still doing here? [07:00] * ompaul is just curious [07:01] ompaul: Waiting for the one who banned me from #ubuntu to come back [07:01] i.e. has you gots a wiki page done? [07:01] * Black_Magic Whoops forgot about it :P [07:01] oh i remeber why the thing wouldnt load my user prefrences [07:02] first time users have to set them then submit but it wouldnt load [07:04] Also im not talking because dont want to annoy ops [07:08] AAnyone know where i can get the ubotu source? [07:10] !bot [07:10] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [07:10] i know that ubotu is supposed to be opensource [07:11] did you bother to read that link? [07:12] ompaul, clearly not [07:12] I am gone [07:12] i am reading it [07:12] i just remeber reading it when i first knew about ubotu and i dont remeber any Source downloads [07:20] Hobbsee: poke back? [07:45] Black_Magic: oh hey, looks like you're on the same host as your bot eh? [07:45] yep [07:45] Black_Magic: Seeing the backscroll here, looks like the major points have been covered, but one other thing: [07:45] Ive been waiting ^^ [07:45] No Bots aloud in Ubuntun channels [07:45] While as long as it stays out of ubuntu channels we don't really care, I'd suggest that most channel owners don't appreciate unauthorized bots joining. [07:46] You might consider modifying the code so that it instead messages you with the channels it was considering, giving you an opportunity to contact the channel owner first before authorizing it. [07:46] i usualy ask but i made an AI Where it randomly picks one channel every 30Mins and joins [07:47] Black_Magic, bad move... that could get your host registered as a bot net and banned from the network [07:47] Yeah, just have the AI action be to message you instead of joining, you know what I'm saying? [07:47] You could even add a command like @authorize channel that you could manually give it after checking in with the owners of its choice [07:49] Like I said, it's not really our immediate concern, but in terms of "best practice" and what you'll want to do to stay on the right side of the line with freenode in general you'll want some minor modifications. [07:50] (I'm also going to be amused at the equation of randomness to AI, btw) [07:51] In ubotu, Hirvinen said: !no, version is To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell. Version number is of the form .. See !release for more information on releases. [07:53] !version [07:53] To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell [07:54] Sorry for leaving so sudden [07:55] X-Server froze and i couldnt do anything so had to reboot [07:55] forceably [07:55] I see - what's the last thing you saw? [07:55] You where telling me about recoding [07:56] Black_Magic_, did you see us tell you why? [07:56] no [07:56] well, you could get confused with a botnet, and banned from the network [07:57] Also the AI i was making is for finding IRC Buddies it joins and searches for 30mins for the Nick that you sujested and if not there it switches channel but i had set the plugin to all channels (the ! Plugin) so during the time its there it could be activated [07:58] We don't particularly care what the purpose is or how it works - we just think you should turn off any random joining. Have it check with you first instead. [07:58] Well tony Will you Whip up a TCL Script to make it do that? [07:58] Nope - that'll be your job :) [07:59] Aw :P Well sorry about my bot joining could you explain all the stuff about recoding and stuff because i only saw a small bit [07:59] then everything froze :/ [07:59] Black_Magic, finding irc buddies for what purpose? [07:59] nobody wants to be buddies with a bot [08:00] elkbuntu: Its suppose to work like !findbuddy [08:00] You mean /whois? [08:00] Like buddies of yours that you met and then havent seen in a while [08:00] it searches IRC Channels on the network and tries to find that nick [08:00] and then invites them to the base channel that youve set [08:00] Black_Magic, so long as it's not being used for spam, which it sounded like [08:01] So, whois combined with automatically spamming the results... [08:01] it doesnt message them [08:01] Well what does it do? [08:01] it just invites to My channell [08:01] And how's a message in the server window different from a message in a PM window? [08:02] Black_Magic, it sounds like a recruiter bot to me [08:02] recruiter..? [08:02] i mean the bot theres a recruiter bot [08:02] Like say You met nickrud once in a channel [08:03] and you became good friends but you hadnt seen him for a while [08:03] so you do !findbuddy nickrud [08:03] and it finds him invites him and then tells you what channel it was [08:03] The proper thing to do would be to /whois him to see if he's online, if yes then go back to the channel you met in, and chat there like you had before. [08:03] Black_Magic, or, use memoserv [08:04] Your method would be considered spam, yes. === Black_Magic_ is now known as Black_Magic [08:04] right, memoserv would be the else { } there [08:05] Black_Magic, so by your logic, companies are entitled to put you on a mailout list if you've bought from them before? [08:05] without asking you [08:05] no... [08:05] well you're employing the exact same methodology here [08:05] and invite you to take part in their new special offer! [08:06] tonyyarusso, swap 'offer' with 'channel' and bingo [08:06] Well ill just crash the project of the find buddy i just didnt know about memo server ect [08:06] yeah, memoserv is pretty sweet really /me took a while to find out about it too [08:07] Black_Magic, there's no problem you making your bot do other things, just intrusive things like hunting people is generally bad and annoying [08:07] Also since IRC is not like IM i thought it would be useful to help find buddies maybe if i did keep it just set the bot to stay in channel for about 2mins instead of 30? the 30 was just incase he just joins it.. [08:07] Black_Magic, many irc clients can keep buddy lists anyway [08:08] elkbuntu: Well idk where to get modules and such so i have to have friends make em for me [08:08] Black_Magic, it's the perfect type of project to teach yourself programming with. try python [08:08] * Hobbsee eyerolls [08:09] well i have Supybot and Eggdrop based bots around just all on diffrent networks [08:09] a great idea, putting a bot into a large channel, without checking if it's always silent. [08:09] then you should have a clue about lobotomising. [08:09] so if the bot was silent i wouldnt be in this bunch :P [08:09] no, we would have caught it eventually [08:10] we have to check our thousand users regularly to catch out telltale botnets [08:10] they're notoriously bad at hiding [08:10] hmm can i know exactly how you detect them? [08:10] if they dont speak and such? [08:10] probably with black magic :) [08:11] it could just be an auto-joiner [08:11] lol Shh :P [08:11] tonyyarusso: white magic [08:11] Black_Magic: so, you failed. [08:11] Black_Magic, we've had practice [08:11] Black_Magic: try in small,unimportant channels, and learn to run a bot there. [08:11] lol see thats kind of boring no one to talk to but a learning bot.. [08:11] when you've been doing this for years like we have, you learn how to spot the bad things [08:12] so, stick it in -uncensored. they talk there. [08:12] it has a brain.. and learns from things in channels too [08:12] it != you. [08:12] you need to make it behave. [08:13] usualy it just stays quiet and listens when joins channels [08:14] you should *ensure* it does that before putting it in any channels you don't ahve access to, or that are big. [08:14] a good thing to do would be to remove the characters that it responds to [08:14] or force it to be muted [08:14] a learning, hunting bot? i can almost picture how he was going to have it... him: gee, i wonder where steve is ... *bot runs off to ask every nick and ident that matches 'steve' if they know someone called black_magic* [08:14] Usually should be always, especially when there are functions built into bots to make it so. btw, for the supybot end of things, the documentation on supybot.com and the #supybot channel are very useful. [08:14] * elkbuntu shudders [08:15] very bad idea dude :) [08:15] There's even a #supybot-bots channel where you can go test. [08:15] elkbuntu: they can be interesting. one of mine learns. [08:15] lol mine learns too [08:15] it has a brain file :P [08:15] Hobbsee, yeah, i have one on another network [08:15] it learns from phrases and if you say a keyword in a phrase it states that [08:15] Black_Magic: fortunately, i'm good enough of a botmaster to make it shut up when it's not there, and not to have it in channels where it shouldn't be. [08:15] Black_Magic: you don't, and therefore aren't. [08:16] elkbuntu: yeah, mine's on another [08:16] Hobbsee: Well ive only been using bots for about a week IM LEARNING [08:16] and i dont have a mentor so im trying [08:16] Black_Magic: then you have *NO REASON TO PUT IT IN #UBUNTU WITHOUT THINKING* [08:16] not good with dcc and this /msg bot name command stuff [08:17] You can learn, but you MUST learn in your own channel, not something like #ubuntu. That should be very plainly obvious, given the consequences otherwise. [08:17] Well can you tell me if it joins any channels its not supposed to because im about to power it up again and send it to ##Black_Magic [08:17] Black_Magic: you can't do that yourself? [08:17] It is _your_ responsibility, not ours. [08:17] dude, if you dont know what it's doing, dont touch it [08:18] Making sure it doesnt go into UBUNTU was my point [08:18] not the other channels [08:18] it had better not go into any other channels tha tfall into the ubuntu namespace, or else you can probably expect something for your cluelessness... [08:18] adn it won't be pleasant. [08:18] Black_Magic, if it ever shows up in ubuntu channels again, you wont recover usage of them so quickly [08:19] Frankly, we have about three times as many things to keep track of as any sane person can put up with as it is. I, for one, go to school full time and work three jobs, and make time for Ubuntu stuff. I really can't be babysitting bots. It's much more efficient for me to simply kill them as soon as they look like they might waste some of my time. [08:19] tonyyarusso: which is exactly why there's a "no unofficial bots" policy in any of the channels. [08:19] yup [08:19] I knew i shoudl of just shut up as soon as i finished waiting and got a reply and successfully undid ban and then tweaked bot [08:20] My big mouth got yall all rambled Have fun Cya later [08:20] Black_Magic: btw, having it in there at all makes it bannable. [08:20] if you hadn't figured thatout [08:20] it's not just talking bots. [08:20] Well, if his modification does actually work, he's #freenode's problem now. [08:22] he's sure as hell better not make it hunt [08:24] if it gets caught spamming, then... [08:25] yup [08:25] * Hobbsee should go back to class [08:26] have fun Hobbsee [08:26] will do [08:52] black_magic is darkmystere? i know that nick from somewhere... [08:55] elkbuntu: yes [08:56] I also told him yesterday or the day before to keep his bots out of #ubuntu* channels, as it is against policy [08:56] Seeker`, so this wasnt the first time? [08:57] he had a bot in #ubuntu-offtopic for a couple of mins the other day, but it parted / he told it to part after a minute or two [08:57] I only noticed after it had quit [08:58] It was called Mind_Freak [08:58] this one was a much more sedate name [08:58] andrew4 or something lame like that [08:59] I dont think he is really sure what he is doing [08:59] Johnny4 (they've gone as high as 7) [08:59] Now going by Reaper` [09:01] He is a regular in -uk [09:02] Black_Magic that is [09:03] ah [09:04] tonyyarusso, /they/?! [09:04] elkbuntu: in -uc, has cycled through various nicks [09:04] how many does he have going? [09:04] oh [09:05] This all started when he realised that ##ubuntu-uncensored didn't have ubotu [09:06] oh dear [09:07] there is an ##ubuntu-uncensored? [09:07] * popey takes his clothes of and joins [09:08] mmm. Hob.bsee posted a log of something that happened in there, and it just so happened that it caught the beginning of him asking why there wasn;t an ubotu, and suggesting that they get together and code a replacement [09:12] hahah [09:13] popey: beware, you're not alone there [09:13] Tm_T, i think that's now a problem of the *other* people, more than a problem of popey's [09:13] \o/ [09:13] ### [09:13] tehehe [09:14] elkbuntu: not really, IF me is there [09:14] * popey hugs elkbuntu [09:14] then it definately is popey's problem [09:14] * Seeker` considers joining, just to see what is going on [09:14] nothing [09:14] Tm_T, my point is, popey doesnt need the warning [09:14] Seeker`, dont, you're giving them the attention they dont really need [09:14] elkbuntu: hm, true, thanks <3 [09:14] "them" [09:14] * popey wonders if he is one of [09:14] "them" [09:15] popey: you don't need attention, so yes [09:15] * Tm_T hides [09:16] * Seeker` disappears [09:27] Seeker`: http://hobbsee.com/ubotu/emma_conditions you seen this? [09:28] please stop talking about this here [09:29] ok [09:57] Tm_T: you think it would be safe for me to tell what I accidentally did yesterday at -ot? [09:58] Myrtti: it's never safe per se, but go ahead =) [09:58] you're right of course [10:00] which was what? [10:01] Myrtti: dont!! :P [10:01] I'll say it cryptically [10:02] pedo mellon. [10:03] * jussi01 hugs Myrtti [10:07] jussi01: did you get it ;-) [10:07] Myrtti: no, didnt understand, but I already know what you did ;) [10:07] dang :-P [10:08] * jussi01 saw it happen [10:08] I need lunch [10:08] bad [10:08] go eat then :d [10:09] don't eat me [10:09] * Tm_T hides [10:10] * jussi01 takes a bite out of Tm_T, after pulling him out from behind the couch :P [10:14] i was just wondering where ubotu is hosted? is it a private server? [10:15] is [10:15] kk [10:27] ajmorris|AFK, anything else we can do for you? [10:27] ah, hello Seveas [10:28] hmm... with your ubotu, how did you define the message that it says when it doesnt have a factoid... like i dont know anything about [10:29] that's somewhere in the config [10:29] @config list encyclopedia [10:30] @config list plugins.Encyclopedia [10:30] #database, #prefixchar, #searchorder, alert, aptdir, datadir, notfoundmsg, packagelookup, public, and relaychannel [10:30] ok, thankyou, i couldnt find it, but ill keep looking :) [10:30] @config plugins.Encyclopedia.notfoundmsg [10:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about %s - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [10:30] that's the message, %s will be replaced by the factoid [10:30] ah kk, tks [10:32] ajmorris|AFK, please see the /topic -- no idling in here, bot questions are better in #ubuntu-bots [10:32] oh, sorry [10:32] is that a please get out? [10:32] :P [10:33] yes [10:33] well, tks again [10:33] cya [11:40] damn stalkers :P [11:40] er? okay. [11:41] Mez, that's not a stalker, it's your reflection... step away from the mirror. [11:41] elkbuntu, freenode devs following me to other areas ... [11:42] who? [11:42] spb :P [11:42] lol [11:42]