[01:39] <burzum> Hello
[01:40] <burzum> Im using ubuntu 6.06 server and need to update php5 to 5.2.x is there no package aviliable for it? Do i really have to compile it on my own? :(
[01:42] <ScottK> burzum: Did you look at dapper-backports?
[01:44] <burzum> Uhh no, wait, let me check if i have them in my apt
[01:46] <burzum> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[01:46] <burzum> This one?
[01:48] <ScottK> Yes.
[01:48] <ScottK> If it's not there....
[01:49] <ScottK> !backports will give you instructions on how to request it.
[01:49] <ScottK> !backports
[01:49] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[01:49] <burzum> Owww....
[01:52] <ScottK> So no, you don't necessarily have to compile it on your own ...
[01:57] <kris_ph> is there an application for ubuntu gutsy server to monitor the ports open and its traffic activity?
[01:57] <kris_ph> I have chrootkit actually..
[02:00] <keithclark>  Just wondering what the easiest way to tell the status of the Squid Cache size?  And efficiency?
[02:06] <burzum> Is there a way to request a backport without need to create an account for launchpad?
[02:07] <kirkland> burzum: aw, launchpad isn't so bad ;-)
[02:07] <kirkland> kraut: netstat
[02:08] <burzum> kirkland, possible, but im sick of all the effort it takes always to do something with linux, im running here local linux our company uses bsd on their live systems, maybe im going to try this.
[02:09] <burzum> each time i run in a basicly simple problem (i would call updating a programm simple) i get in deep trouble with linux :(
[02:10] <kirkland> keithclark: the various cache configurations are set in /etc/squid/squid.conf
[02:11] <keithclark> kirkland, understood, but I want to be able to analyze the hit:miss ratio, cache size and so on.  On the Squid machine.
[02:11] <burzum> But i found out that my problem is not related to a bug in my php version, so no need to update quickly. I'll replace the server with an win2003 server in the next few weeks.
[02:11]  * mralphabet shakes his head
[02:11] <burzum> but thanks for your help
[02:11] <kirkland> burzum: updating a program is very simple.  "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade <PACKAGE>"
[02:11] <burzum> kirkland, only if its aviliable
[02:12] <mralphabet> is IIS 6 available for nt4?
[02:12] <kirkland> burzum: you can build it yourself, if you want
[02:12] <kirkland> mralphabet: yeah, you bet.
[02:12] <kirkland> ;-)
[02:13] <burzum> sure, but i dont want because it would require a lot of time and reading which i dont have yet
[02:13] <burzum> mralphabet, i dont plan to use iis
[02:13] <mralphabet> that wasn't my point
[02:14] <burzum> and 6.06 is not even 5 years old, not to mention that nt is uhh at least 10 years old
[02:15] <kirkland> keithclark: from the server, or from the client?
[02:15] <kirkland> owh: howdy
[02:15] <keithclark> kirkland: the server
[02:15] <kirkland> owh:  you get some pointers from mathiaz today
[02:16] <kirkland> owh: that was a question ;-)
[02:16]  * mralphabet shakes his head at burzum
[02:16] <kirkland> mralphabet: some people just need a punching bag
[02:17] <kirkland> mralphabet: if he wants someone to put in the effort on his behalf to do a backport (several hours), but he doesn't have time to create a launchpad account (several minutes) to make the request.....
[02:18] <mralphabet> kirkland: preaching to the choir
[02:18] <kirkland> mralphabet: ;-)
[02:21] <owh> kirkland: Yeah, I took ownership of bug 203696 to test in hardy at least. I'm also attempting to download the server guide, but if you've got a fast pipe, or have it already, a .tgz link would be well received :)
[02:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203696 in dovecot ""undefined symbol: quota" on dapper while trying to use imap_quota" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203696
[02:21] <owh> kirkland: I'm trying to get: bzr checkout --lightweight lp:ubuntu-doc/hardy
[02:21] <kirkland> owh: i do have a faster pipe than satellite ;-)
[02:22] <owh> kirkland: It's not the speed that's killing it, it's the latency.
[02:22] <kirkland> owh: yup
[02:22] <kirkland> owh: i've been writing a bandwidth benchmark all day today
[02:23] <kirkland> owh: which is part of the explanation for my latency in getting back to you
[02:23] <owh> kirkland: One of my mates once wrote: "It's the latency stoopid." - Stuart Cheshire. Funny guy. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon packed full of CDs.
[02:23] <owh> kirkland: Funny boy.
[02:23] <owh> :)
[02:24]  * owh has been trying to explain to a hosting company that TTL life exceeded is a problem.
[02:24] <ghostnob> hi GUys....
[02:24] <owh> They don't yet see it my way :)
[02:24] <mralphabet> owh: hah
[02:24] <kirkland> owh: ask them if they're bothered by their own personal TTL
[02:25] <kirkland> owh: and how bothered they'd be if it were expired prematurely
[02:25] <owh> I figured that this will change when I choose a different hosting company, or if I keep ringing the corporate support queue :)
[02:26] <ghostnob> I'm trying to make Window server 2003 connect to my Ubuntu server at home, is it possible to also connect the windows mail server exchange with ubuntu mail server...? i know this is dumb but I play alot with this things at home and would like to know what I can up with...
[02:26] <owh> At the moment they're blaming it on their load balancers. I think it is a routing issue myself :)
[02:26] <mralphabet> ghostnob: what do you mean by connect?
[02:26] <owh> ghostnob: What do you mean when you write: "connect the windows mail server exchange with ubuntu mail server"
[02:27] <mralphabet> ghostnob: exchange forward to ubuntu forward to internets?
[02:27] <ghostnob> yes... right..
[02:27] <ghostnob> that's what I mean...
[02:27] <mralphabet> sure
[02:27] <mralphabet> exchange has a "relay everything through x.x.x.x"
[02:28] <mralphabet> sendmail / postfix / whatever mta has a "relay everything for x.x.x.x"
[02:28] <owh> kirkland: Should I continue to struggle with the bzr, or are you secretly squirrelling away in the background - there is no expectation either way.
[02:28] <ghostnob> ok.. I'll try it this weekend and I'll let you guys know what I come up with.. I'm a student and I also work, so the little time I have is for my linux and windows administration development
[02:28] <ScottK> relayhost is the configuration you want when you setup postfix
[02:30] <ghostnob> ok..
[02:30] <kirkland> owh: i'm pulling it down
[02:30] <kirkland> owh: but this thing must be massive.....
[02:30] <owh> Did you get the lightweight version?
[02:30] <owh> No changelogs etc?
[02:30] <ghostnob> I got the 7.10 DVD from UBUNTU....
[02:31] <owh> kirkland: bzr checkout --lightweight lp:ubuntu-doc/hardy
[02:31] <owh> kirkland: That supposedly is small, just the docs.
[02:31] <ghostnob> I haven't explore everything yet... But I have it on my laptop and I use it with SUSE 10.1 server...
[02:31]  * owh doesn't know as it's not here yet :)
[02:31] <kirkland> owh: okay, i just restarted with that
[02:31] <kirkland> owh: and it's going much faster
[02:32] <owh> kirkland: If speed is an indication of size, then that's good :)
[02:34] <owh> Oh, found the latency rant from Stuart: http://www.stuartcheshire.org/rants/Latency.html
[02:35] <kirkland> owh: i agree with his statement.  i have a colo backup of my critical data at my parent's house, 500 miles away.  incremental changes I handle with rsync.  major sync differents, I jump in the car and drive with a USB hard drive and get some home cookin' out of the deal
[02:35] <owh> kirkland: Yup. That's what I'm working on with my clients as well.
[02:39] <kirkland> owh: even lightweight, it's still big
[02:39] <owh> How big?
[02:41] <owh> kirkland: How big so far?
[02:43] <kirkland> owh: seems i've downloaded a measly 85M so far :-/
[02:43] <keithclark> kirkland:  Are srg and squidview two examples of what I should me looking for?
[02:44] <owh> kirkland: Kill it.
[02:44] <kirkland> keithclark: hey, i'm still looking for your answer...  squidview i tried, but it looks like it analyzes from a client perspective
[02:44] <keithclark> kirkland, yeah, that was my opinion as well.
[02:44] <kirkland> owh: i had better luck with "apt-get source ubuntu-docs"
[02:45] <owh> kirkland: Damn, that's a good idea.
[02:45] <owh> kirkland: Tah.
[02:45] <keithclark> kirkland, I just can't seem to scope out the right app.
[02:45] <kirkland> owh: not as up-to-date as from the source repo, but pretty damn close
[02:46] <kirkland> keithclark: i'm bothered by it too... i've run my own squid for years, but never personally questioned hit ratio
[02:46] <kirkland> keithclark: now i'm curious ;-)
[02:46] <owh> kirkland: Well, I've just fired up my hardy vm and I'll do an update and get it. It will have to do.
[02:46] <kirkland> owh: i'd do both if i were you....  background a bzr pull in a screen session
[02:46] <kirkland> owh: grab the source in the mean time
[02:47] <keithclark> kirkland: haha, for sure.  I know it works as I'm using it remotely now, but I just have to know how efficient it is.  And, does it need more disc space?
[02:47] <owh> kirkland: Nah, after half an hour of downloading the bzr I had all of 2.2 Mb.
[02:47] <kirkland> owh: pooh
[02:47] <owh> kirkland: Getting individual shitty little files just doesn't work.
[02:48] <owh> kirkland: Now if I could tell bzr to pack in into a big chunk, then send it, I'd be laughing.
[02:49] <kirkland> owh: it does that.... every time it builds a source deb ;-)
[02:49] <owh> kirkland: Funny.
[02:49] <owh> :|
[02:49] <owh> Oh, it was a joke ;-)
[02:49] <kirkland> ;-)
[02:49]  * owh <grins>
[02:49] <kirkland> a glass of wine and I'm a regular comedian
[02:50] <ajmitch> owh: funnily enough, when checking out with a smart server at the other end, it should tar it all up & send it
[02:50] <owh> ajmitch: Ah, so we just blame launchpad then?
[02:51] <ScottK2> owh: That's my usual approach.
[02:51] <ajmitch> yes, I think all that part is coming soon enough
[02:51] <owh> Its funny and sad all at the same time in a way.
[02:55] <keithclark> kirkland, should one not be able to access the file from OO Database and work with it there?
[02:57] <kirkland> keithclark: it looks like "polygraph" is what people use to benchmark squid
[02:57] <keithclark> let me check that out
[02:57] <keithclark> do you use squid-prefet?
[02:57] <kirkland> keithclark: no, never heard of it
[02:58] <keithclark> kirkland: used for prefetching pages in squid
[02:58] <kirkland> keithclark: fyi... there is a #squid on this irc server
[02:58] <kirkland> keithclark: i think they may be a better resouce
[02:58] <keithclark> kirkland, I tried, but no response
[02:58] <owh> kirkland: What next, tell desktop users to ask questions in #ubuntu-server :)
[02:59] <owh> kirkland: Or even s/ask/stop asking/
[02:59] <owh> kirkland: Either way, the wine will help to make it funny :)
[03:00] <owh> That's more like it, getting the source documentation now at up to 200kB/s.
[03:01] <owh> That's not bad for a supposed 1Mbit connection :)
[03:01] <keithclark> kirkland: thanks for trying!
[03:02] <kirkland> keithclark: sure no problem.  ping me back here, if you figure it out.  i'm quite curious now.
[03:02] <owh> kirkland: keithclark, what's the question?
[03:02] <keithclark> kirkland, sure will!
[03:02] <keithclark> owh, second....
[03:03] <kirkland> keithclark: i'm most bothered that i've found a number of hits in google with people claiming a hit ratio of some such, but I can't for the life of me figure out how they determined that
[03:03] <owh> kirkland: That's from the squid statistics / status page.
[03:03] <keithclark> owh:  I want to be able to analyze the hit:miss ratio, cache size and so on.  On the Squid machine.
[03:04] <kirkland> owh: okay, so from my squid server, how I would i find out what its running hit/miss ratio
[03:04] <owh> kirkland: From memory there's a web interface for that.
[03:04] <keithclark> owh cachemgr?
[03:05] <owh> keithclark: I'm remembering a web server on port 3306, but I'm old and forgetful, so that might be wrong :)
[03:05] <keithclark> owh....not a problem!  I'm also no spring chicken....I just wanted a simple app that would tell me how my server is doing....
[03:06] <owh> kirkland: After all that pussing around, we're talking about a serverguide that's 484K. Count 'em. 484. I could have typed it faster :)
[03:06] <owh> keithclark: Lemmie have a looksee.
[03:06] <kirkland> owh: holy smokes
[03:06] <keithclark> owh, that would be terrific!
[03:06] <ajmitch> owh: 3306 = mysql :)
[03:07] <owh> ajmitch: Told you I was old and forgetful :)
[03:07] <owh> kirkland: Holy what, where?
[03:07] <kirkland> owh: 484k
[03:07] <owh> kirkland: Yeah.
[03:08] <kirkland> owh: there's something wrong with that, IMO
[03:08] <owh> kirkland: You're not wrong there.
[03:08] <kirkland> owh: I'm still downloading th source
[03:09] <owh> kirkland: Huh? I've just gotten that.
[03:09] <owh> kirkland: Oh, you're talking about the bzr.
[03:09] <kirkland> owh: yup
[03:09] <kirkland> apt-get source happened very fast
[03:10] <owh> keithclark: My memory is telling me that you want: squid-cgi, which gives you what you're after.
[03:10] <owh> keithclark: That is, I searched the apt-cache, looked, did a google and it looks like what I'm remembering.
[03:10] <keithclark> owh, let me check.
[03:11] <keithclark> owh, yes but then don't I need apache installed and running?
[03:12] <owh> keithclark: Not apache especially, just a web server.
[03:12] <keithclark> owh, hmm, I just wanted a simple app.
[03:12] <keithclark> owh, maybe my database analysis would work?
[03:12] <owh> keithclark: I'm *guessing* that the cgi is calling an API of sorts, so I suspect that there is a command-line tool for it also.
[03:12] <owh> keithclark: Well you could just run webalizer across the logs.
[03:13] <owh> keithclark: From memory it's all pre-configured.
[03:13] <keithclark> owh, ok, let me check that next!
[03:14] <owh> keithclark: Also: http://www.squid-cache.org/Misc/related-software.dyn
[03:15] <owh> keithclark: And: http://code.google.com/p/squidutils/
[03:15] <keithclark> owh, yeah, I've been looking there but I've not found the right match.
[03:15] <owh> keithclark: http://samm.kiev.ua/sqstat/
[03:16] <keithclark> owh:  My match would be hit/miss ratio, disc space use.  Very simple and does not have to be real time.
[03:16] <owh> keithclark: Well, that's two commands, du -sh . and grep "Miss" * | wc
[03:17] <owh> keithclark: You don't need anything cool for that :)
[03:17] <keithclark> owh, I know there are log analyzers out there galore to analyze all activity to the ultimate end, but I want a cloud view of my server
[03:17] <owh> keithclark: So, run a cron job every hour that runs a few commands across your log file.
[03:17] <keithclark> owh, I see what you are getting at
[03:17] <owh> keithclark: KISS.
[03:17] <keithclark> owh, that is what I wanted!  A KISS solution
[03:18] <keithclark> owh: everything else is way too detailed.
[03:18] <owh> keithclark: The ratio is trivial. Count the total number of requests, count the total number of cache misses, do maths.
[03:18] <keithclark> owh:  I just want to know how much it is using, and should I give it more space, and how efficient is it
[03:18] <kirkland> keithclark: yeah, if you're open to that, i think you have all you need in /var/log/squid
[03:19] <kirkland> keithclark: plus some grep | wc | bc magic :-)
[03:19] <kirkland> keithclark: step (3) profit
[03:19] <owh> keithclark: If I had more hours in the day I'd offer you an hour to put it together for you, but not this day :)
[03:19] <keithclark> owh kirkland: yup, I need to brush up on my command line
[03:19] <owh> kirkland: Hey, where's step 4?
[03:19] <kirkland> owh: fiji
[03:20] <keithclark> owh, thanks for the offer, I'll try and if I get stuck, you might see me here.
[03:20] <kirkland> owh: beach, sun, and drinks with little umbrellas
[03:20] <owh> kirkland: Now there's an idea. No Internet would be good :)
[03:20] <keithclark> But, it should be possible to import into Open Office Database and analyze as I see fit, no?
[03:21] <owh> keithclark: I have to say that the wc/grep would be a whole lot simpler.
[03:21] <kirkland> keithclark: i think so
[03:21] <owh> keithclark: Your biggest problem wit OO will likely be the size of the log files.
[03:21] <kirkland> keithclark: as a next step, though, i suggest persisting in #squid in +8, +12, and +16 hours
[03:21] <keithclark> owh, you are right KISS
[03:22] <kirkland> i think we're just off on our #squid timezone sweet spot
[03:22] <kirkland> someone there will surely know the answer to this question without even thinking about it
[03:22] <owh> kirkland: Yeah, but by that time, a cron job will give you output :)
[03:23] <kirkland> okay, adios, manana
[03:23] <keithclark> kirkland: thanks!
[03:23] <owh> kirkland: That needs extra letters, but g'night :)
[03:24] <keithclark> owh, thanks for your help as well.  I have the right mindset now!
[03:24] <owh> keithclark: That's cool. Pleasure to help.
[03:25] <keithclark> owh, command line is a lot of fun.  I've not done that since my DOS days
[03:25] <owh> keithclark: I'll be around, feel free to ask questions. If I'm able I'll help.
[03:30] <keithclark> owh:  awsome.
[07:34] <_ruben> morning
[07:51] <kamikaze> morning :)
[08:06] <nijaba> morning
[08:06] <Jeeves_> Morning
[08:13] <kris_ph> will I give attention this warning [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts?
[08:18] <_ruben> kris_ph: its a warning, hence non-fatal, but it indicates that your apache config isnt completely optimal
[08:19] <_ruben> i have that message 3 times when i start apache on one of my server, havent gotten around to dive into it, works like a charm though
[08:19] <kris_ph> _ruben: okay.. I appreciate that.. can you tell me how to fix it?
[08:20] <_ruben> kris_ph: not in detail, but im assuming it has something to do with have "NameVirtualHost *:80" in your config but no "<VirtualHost *:80>"
[08:20] <_ruben> or perhaps "<VirutalHost foo.bar.com:80>" for example
[08:20] <_ruben> i suggest reading the documentation on virtualhosting on http://httpd.apache.org
[08:22] <kris_ph> thanks..
[08:24] <kris_ph> _ruben: my httpd.conf is empty.. why do you think?
[08:26] <kamikaze> it's called apache2.conf in ubuntu if i'm right
[08:28] <kamikaze> if using apache 2 that is
[08:40] <_ruben> correct .. and apache 1 hasnt been supported for a while now in ubuntu, afaik
[08:40] <_ruben> but most likely you'll need to be looking in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ *if* things were done properly
[08:50] <kris_ph> _ruben: mmm.. what should be the correct configuration there?
[08:53] <_ruben> kris_ph: this is probably a good start: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#head-8c16bcd2517fa5b9fa35d616f00d3bb59e981373
[09:06] <kraut> moin
[09:07] <J-_> I'm trying to configure for a static IP on my server. I've changed interfaces, and resolv.conf, is this correct? http://pastebin.ca/950060 If not, what do I need to change?
[09:16] <kris_ph> J-: in your /etc/resolv.conf the entries there are the name servers of your ISP?
[09:19] <J-_> kris_ph: no
[09:19] <J-_> kris_ph: by nameserver's what do you mean? DNS?
[09:20] <kris_ph> J-_: you should be using the nameservers (IP) of your ISP...
[09:20] <J-_> k
[09:20] <J-_> I think I need to set up the noip program to do so
[09:22] <J-_> kris_ph: am I correct?
[09:25] <kris_ph> J-_: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/network-configuration.html <<<<<< check it..
[09:29] <kris_ph> I suggest.. you leave the file blank and try to restart your server.. and do "cat //etc/resolv.conf
[09:55] <J-_> how do I kill a job that has been stopped?
[09:56] <henkjan> you know the pid of the process? kill <pid>
[09:59] <J-_> it won't die
[09:59] <J-_> =S
[09:59] <henkjan> try kill -9
[10:00] <J-_> thaqnks a lot
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, you about? i was wondering if you could disable boot on the T1000. i cant seem to send 'Stop A' to it :(
[10:13] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: Hmm?
[10:13] <Jeeves_> You can do a 'break -y' to interupt the bootloader
[10:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, i cant send stopa to the sun as it boots, ^break hasnt worked either
[10:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> break +y? i'll have to try that.
[10:15] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: If you reset it, you see al the 'cpu cpu cpu cpu cpu' messages
[10:15] <Jeeves_> Than you send a break from the ALOM
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[10:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm just trying to get into openfirmware, but `console -f` starts solaris booting
[10:31] <J-_> How can I figure out what group my current user is?
[10:31] <J-_> To be PHP pages admin
[10:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> type `groups`
[10:32] <J-_> Thanks
[10:33] <J-_> Would the default group be admin?
[10:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> default group for what?
[10:34] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: Succeeded yet?
[10:34] <J-_> I'm trying to figure out which group I belong to so I can set myself up to be the PHP admin for apache.
[10:36] <Jeeves_> J-_: open a terminal
[10:36] <Jeeves_> J-_: type 'groups'
[10:36] <J-_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#head-6aac570a36ae91754513949f6b2d1df5e61fe5ac is what im trying to do
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, no.  i'm sitting at a solaris login prompt, and i cant figure out how to break out :|
[10:36] <J-_> I did and it listed 11 groups beside my name.
[10:37] <J-_> one including admin, so I'm guessing that is what I'm looking for?
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> other then 'administer php' what do you want to do? whas the purpose?
[10:37] <blue-frog> J-_: what do you want to do? write php code? go ahead write..
[10:37] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: I'll show you :)
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, ok :)
[10:38] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: Can you still see what happens?
[10:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, yes i can :)
[10:38] <Jeeves_> Good :)
[10:39] <Jeeves_> first we reset the box
[10:39] <Jeeves_> Than we send a break
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> from alom, i assume.?
[10:39] <Jeeves_> Yes
[10:40] <Jeeves_> You see it looking for hardware, right?
[10:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep, and the ok prompt
[10:40] <Jeeves_> And now it says '{0} ok '
[10:40] <Jeeves_> Than 'boot net'
[10:40] <Jeeves_> And than an error I've seen before, but I don't know why
[10:40] <Jeeves_> :)
[10:41] <Jeeves_> The only way I could come out of there, was to powerof and poweronn
[10:41] <Jeeves_> So now it's turned off
[10:42] <Jeeves_> Now we turn it on
[10:42] <Jeeves_> (This takes ages)
[10:43] <Jeeves_> btw: Anyone here who knows why ksoftirqd is eating 100% cup while only doing 40MiB/sec over the NIC?
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, how are you breaking it while it boots? do you have two alom sessions open?
[10:45] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: Yes
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. my ssh sessions to the alom both send the same data at the same time. (so i cant use one to break)
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder if i'm doing it wrong
[10:46] <J-_> I'm still having trouble changing the user, and group. I don't know what to strings to change. It's pretty confusion.
[10:46] <Jeeves_> J-_: Skip the step
[10:46] <Jeeves_> You don't need it
[10:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> J-_, i still dont know what your trying to do it for
[10:46] <J-_> Okay
[10:46] <J-_> I'll skip
[10:47] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: So now we can instruct the bios bootloader
[10:47] <Jeeves_> {0} ok boot net
[10:48] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: There you go
[10:48] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: 'break -y' is an ALOM command
[10:48] <Jeeves_> Just like 'console'
[10:48] <Jeeves_> Don't always type 'console'
[10:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah
[10:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ahaha. i'm trying to boot the wrong mac :|
[10:54] <Jeeves_> :)
[10:55] <Jeeves_> Ok, so can I go back to work now? :)
[10:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe, should be able to :)
[10:56] <Jeeves_> :)
[11:09] <J-_> How would I copy/paste a file from my Desktop to my Server via SSH?
[11:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> J-_, scp
[11:10] <J-_> cp index.html ssh user@IP /var/www?
[11:10] <J-_> hmm
[11:10]  * J-_ googles
[11:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, scp index.html user@host:/var/www
[11:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> scp --help
[11:11] <J-_> cool, thanks a lot, again. =)
[11:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:15] <J-_> permission denied!
[11:15] <J-_> what the heck! =\
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> do youhave permission to write to /var/www on the remote server?
[11:19] <J-_> No, I don't think so. How can I do so?
[11:19] <J-_> it's not a remote server. I mean it's in my house, but, am using ssh
[11:19] <faulkes-> probably best to create a subdirectory off of /var/www which you do have permission to use
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. iw as about to say 'first ask yourself if you need to'
[11:20] <faulkes-> sudo mkdir /var/www/mytesthost ; sudo chown myuser:myuser /var/www/mytesthost
[11:20] <faulkes-> etc..
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> or mkdir ~/public_html (if you dont mind that sort of thing ...)
[11:21] <J-_> don't I want /var/www at root of the server?
[11:22] <J-_> would sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /var/www
[11:22] <J-_> do the same?
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> why do you want to?
[11:25] <J-_> because I want want a large URL, currently I have, http://site.no-ip.com/. I don't really want http://site.no-ip.com/rootofsite/, I want the root to be http://site.no-ip.com/
[11:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> time to learn vhosts :)
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, that would be my first thought anyway
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs
[11:27] <J-_> hmm
[11:59] <J-_> how can I see my permissions for /var/www?
 would sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /var/www
[11:59] <ICU> J-_: ls -ld /var/www
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, see, not set :|
[12:02] <J-_> What permissions is 'drwxr-xr-x 4' Is it in any regards safe?
[12:14] <blue-frog> J-_: you should start by reading the tutorials found here: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/views/linux/libraryview.jsp?topic_by=All+topics+and+related+products&sort_order=asc&lcl_sort_order=asc&search_by=lpi+exam+topic&search_flag=true&type_by=Tutorials&show_abstract=true&start_no=1&sort_by=Title&end_no=100&show_all=false&S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=GR-LPI
[12:14] <blue-frog> J-_: the website is currently under maintenance but will certainly resume shortly
[12:46] <sommer> morning
[12:48] <VoiDeT> hurro
[13:24] <_ruben> hrm ... trying to create a local mirror using debmirror and rsync, but either doing something wrong or nl.archives.ubuntu.com doesnt like me very much .. im guessing the first or both ;)
[13:28]  * _ruben pokes henkjan & Jeeves_ 
[13:28] <Jeeves_> Hmm?
[13:28] <Jeeves_> What's up?
[13:28] <_ruben> heh, figured that might draw some attention ;)
[13:29] <Jeeves_> You're trying to rsync?
[13:29] <_ruben> trying to steal ur data :)
[13:29] <Jeeves_> loose the second /
[13:29] <_ruben> think i tried that one
[13:30] <Jeeves_> What's your cmdline?
[13:30] <_ruben> sudo debmirror --progress --verbose --host=nl.archive.ubuntu.com --method=rsync --root=:ubuntu --dist=gutsy,gutsy-updates,gutsy-security --arch=i386,amd64 --rsync-options="--bwlimit=2048" /data/ubuntu
[13:30] <Jeeves_> --root=ubuntu ?
[13:31] <_ruben> then it tries to use ssh
[13:31] <_ruben> the : is required when using rsync afaik
[13:31] <Jeeves_> Try ::ubuntu?
[13:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ruben, lookd at the debmirror guide on the wiki?
[13:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> actually help.u.c now iirc
[13:32] <_ruben> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, i loosely based my commandline on that
[13:33] <Jeeves_> rhineheart_m: That's not it
[13:33] <Jeeves_> _ruben: That's not it
[13:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ruben, what is the error?
[13:33] <Jeeves_> Mar 20 14:29:56 ftp rsyncd[19817]: building file list
[13:33] <Jeeves_> Mar 20 14:29:56 ftp rsyncd[19817]: skipping directory /.
[13:33] <Jeeves_> That is
[13:34] <_ruben> with :ubuntu : http://pastebin.ca/950270
[13:34] <_ruben> yeah
[13:37] <_ruben> i have no prior experience with rsync .. so dont really have a clue myself :p
[13:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have no experiance with debmirror over rsync. http worked well enough for me
[13:38] <_ruben> rsync has built-in bw limiter, thats pretty much the only reason
[13:39] <_ruben> could use http and shape the traffic, but still..
[13:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> know the feeling
[13:39] <_ruben> for the sake of it i'll give http a try .. see what happens
[13:40] <_ruben> or ftp even
[13:41] <_ruben> getting 10Mbps .. not bad
[13:43] <_ruben> wonder what the bottlenck is here .. or perhaps its just Jeeves_ sitting on the uplink ;)
[13:43] <rhineheart_m> Jeeves_: "That's not it" <<<< what do you mean?
[13:44]  * Kamping_Kaiser imagines Jeeves_ sitting with a 'kill _ruben 's bandwidth' tool
[13:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, he ws taking to _ruben
[13:58] <_ruben> hmm .. only 16GiB estimated download size
[14:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> 16? not much
[14:04] <_ruben> 2 archs for gutsy
[14:04] <_ruben> unless debmirror got the number wrong ;-)
[14:04] <_ruben> "Download all files that we need to get (16385 MiB)."
[14:07] <_ruben> "Failed to download files (18143 errors)!"
[14:07] <_ruben> some1 tripped over a cable? :-P
[14:08] <_ruben> small hickup somewhere i guess
[14:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[14:10] <Jeeves_> _ruben: What errors?
[14:12] <_ruben> [  7%] Getting: pool/main/e/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs-udeb_1.40.2-1ubuntu1_amd64.udeb  # failed:Connection closed at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1318, <RELEASE> line 855.
[14:18] <_ruben> Jeeves_: just curious, is there speed limit on your side (for the ftp) ? or is it just my connection here not living up to its specs?
[14:18] <Jeeves_> _ruben: No limit here
[14:22] <_ruben> Jeeves_: didn't really expect that either .. if debmirror would use multiple connections it'd probably go faster, then again, this saves from doing shaping myself ;-)
[14:47] <cjs> is there a quick answer to "how does ubuntu server edition stack up against other server-geared distros like CentOS/RHEL?"
[14:48] <Jeeves_> cjs: It has a packagemanager that doesn't suck
[14:48] <Nubae> How well does ebox work with LDAP out of the box?
[14:48] <cjs> Jeeves_:  yum is fine
[14:49] <Jeeves_> cjs: No it isn't ;)
[14:49] <Nubae> does it install slapd and ldap client as well as do some sort of user migration from posix?
[14:50] <_ruben> ebox is rather new, other than that i do not know much about it ;-)
[14:51] <_ruben> i guess #ebox is decent place to start
[14:51] <Nubae> What I'm looking for really is a unified control panel that manages squid, dansguardian, some sort of firewall, dhcp, dns and various subnets
[14:51] <cjs> Jeeves_: well, I guess I meant more in terms of package reliability, support, and performance
[14:51] <_ruben> the plans for ebox are rather big i think, but resources tend to be a limiting factor
[14:51] <Nubae> that and central user management in which case I thought LDAP would probably be a good choice
[14:52] <Nubae> ruben, I was advised to ask here about ebox
[14:52] <Nubae> well, at least ebox and its current integration with ubuntu
[14:52] <_ruben> ah ok ;)
[14:52] <Jeeves_> cjs: I don't think performance is really different between the Linux'es
[14:52] <Nubae> do you know if it is debian specific?
[14:52] <Jeeves_> Canonical can offer you suppor
[14:52] <Jeeves_> +t
[14:53] <_ruben> Jeeves_: seems my ftp connection is stalled again, probably just my side though ;-)
[14:53] <Jeeves_> cjs: There' no package-management-system like apt
[14:53] <cjs> Jeeves_: I suppose that's a matter of opinion. Personally I like both apt and yum. imo, there's no package management system like the long dead red-carpet.
[14:55] <Nubae> actually, sabayon's new package managemnt system looks quite interesting
[14:56] <Nubae> so can someone with ebox experience tell me if its relatively easy to customise the gui?
[14:57] <Nubae> easy as say webmin?
[14:58] <_ruben> woohoo .. "Failed to download files (16172 errors)!"
[14:59] <_ruben> lets switch from ftp to http to see if that improves things
[15:00] <Jeeves_> Hmm
[15:03] <_ruben> hmm .. debmirror doesnt show per-file progress when using http
[15:12] <lamont> jdstrand: Mar 20 08:35:22 mix kernel: [303996.622460] audit(1206023722.207:54):  type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" name="/var/lib/misc/shadow.db" pid=31189 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd"
[15:13] <lamont> why does adding 'db' to nsswitch require that cupsd have read access to the shadow file??
[15:13] <jdstrand> lamont: I don't know off-hand
[15:14] <jdstrand> lamont: does cups fail in some way?
[15:14] <lamont> no.
[15:14] <lamont> gnome-screensaver refuses to unlock the display unless it has read perms though...
[15:14] <lamont> libnss_db.so needs to be taught how to check a password without actually reading the stupid file...
[15:15]  * jdstrand nods
[15:15] <jdstrand> lamont: btw-- I have another little patch for bind9.preinst *ducks*
[15:16] <jdstrand> lamont: bind and mysql were the first apps to have a profile migrate from apparmor-profiles to the package
[15:17] <lamont> jdstrand: win.
[15:17] <jdstrand> lamont: as such, there has been refinement
[15:17] <lamont> so, uh, package it locally and verify that you're happy this time????? :-)
[15:17] <jdstrand> lamont: did you upload already?
[15:17] <lamont> dunno
[15:17] <jdstrand> it isn't critical
[15:17]  * lamont was starting to get sick on tue, dead-to-the-world yesterday, and firing on about half-thrusters today
[15:18] <jdstrand> lamont: oh, I have a whole battery of tests I run against it
[15:18] <jdstrand> lamont: sorry to hear you aren't feeling well
[15:18] <jdstrand> lamont: it isn't failures, but rather corner cases
[15:19] <lamont> corner cases _are_ the only place that we find bugs, it seems...
[15:19] <jdstrand> -8 is in sid now
[15:20] <jdstrand> lamont: and it isn't a bug per se-- it's putting in force-complain in another instance (to be safer on upgrades)
[15:20] <lamont> ah, right
[15:20] <jdstrand> lamont: anyway-- I'll run my battery of tests and send it along
[15:20] <lamont> go ahead and make it a new bug.
[15:20] <lamont> Successfully uploaded bind9_9.4.2-8_i386.changes to ftp-master.debian.org.
[15:21]  * jdstrand nods
[15:21] <_ruben> ok, that's it for today .. time to go home .. lets hope debmirror wont require any intervention untill it completes
[15:21] <lamont> afk for a bit
[15:21] <jdstrand> lamont: won't get to it til tomorrow though
[15:21] <jdstrand> lamont: hope you feel better
[15:21] <lamont> it'll be at least tomorrow before I look at it anyway.
[15:26] <Solarion> so, how do I go about setting /sys/bus/usb/<device>/power/autosuspend and friends automatically?
[15:27] <Solarion> udev is driving me crazy and rc.local doesn't seem to do anything either
[15:29] <nxvl> nijaba: did you take a look at the patch?
[15:29] <nijaba> nxvl: yes.  it looks pretty straightforward.  I think mathiaz should be working on integrating it
[15:30] <nijaba> nxvl: thanks a lot
[15:30] <mathiaz> nxvl: I'm currently looking at it.
[15:30] <nijaba> nxvl: where are you based, btw?
[15:31] <nxvl> nijaba: based as in timezone/country?
[15:31] <nxvl> mathiaz: oh great
[15:31] <nxvl> mathiaz: let me know if something is wrong
[15:32] <nxvl> also working on this i noticed that it is using .config, not postins
[15:32] <nijaba> nxvl: yes.  Your name sounds spanish, but you could be anywhere...
[15:33] <nxvl> nijaba: Lima - Peru
[15:33] <nijaba> nxvl: cool!
[15:34] <nijaba> nxvl: will I see you at UDS?
[15:38] <nxvl> nijaba: yes!
[15:38] <nijaba> nxvl: looking forward to it
[15:39] <nxvl> nijaba: i'm really excited and counting the days for it :D
[15:43] <nxvl> nijaba: also i will be going to paris after uds
[15:43] <nijaba> nxvl: me too ;)
[15:43] <nijaba> (but that's because that's where I live)
[15:43] <nxvl> actually a long cross-europe trip, but i will stop in paris some days
[15:43] <nxvl> nijaba: yes i know, i saw it at LP
[15:44] <zul> nijaba: shouldnt you be able to just take the train then?
[15:44] <nxvl> zul: that's what i will
[15:44] <nijaba> nxvl: hey, I'll be glad to take you for a drink then
[15:45] <nijaba> zul: train to prague? about 12h I think
[15:45] <zul> heh...probably easier to fly then :)
[15:45] <nxvl> nijaba: ok, i will ping you when i reach paris :D
[15:45] <nijaba> nxvl: great
[15:46] <nxvl> well, i'm going to the doctor, bbl!
[15:47] <nxvl> mathiaz: when you are done reviewing the patch please send me some feedback on the report or by mail
[15:47] <nxvl> mathiaz: i will be very apreciate since i needed o read and learn a lot for working on it
[15:47] <nxvl> s/apreciate/gratefull/g
[15:48] <mathiaz> nxvl: sure
[15:48] <nxvl> mathiaz: thnx
[15:48]  * nxvl HUGS mathiaz and nijaba 
[15:48] <nxvl> see you later
[16:58] <keithclark> If I change a client's proxy server via Network Proxy tool, does it then change it for every application run?
[17:52] <stiv2k> are there any good alternatives to squirrelmail?
[17:54] <sommer> stiv2k: you could take a look at horde imp, but I'm not really sure it's better or worse
[17:54] <Jeeves_> stiv2k: Maybe roundcube?
[17:54] <stiv2k> hmm
[17:54] <stiv2k> im just looking for something not as boring
[17:55] <stiv2k> i mean, cmon, squirrelmail uses frames
[17:55] <stiv2k> that shit might have been cool back in 2001
[17:55] <stiv2k> know what i mean?
[17:55] <sommer> you could add some nudy pics :-)
[17:55] <Jeeves_> stiv2k: Than you must take a look at roundcube
[17:55] <stiv2k> Jeeves_: i am looking now, it looks interesting!
[17:55] <stiv2k> sommer: lol :P
[17:56] <keithclark>  If I change a client's proxy server via Network Proxy tool, does it then change it for every application run?
[17:59] <stiv2k> Jeeves_: do i want package "roundcube", "roundcube-webmail" or both?
[18:00] <Jeeves_> stiv2k: Ehm
[18:00] <stiv2k> Jeeves_: aptitude search roundcube
[18:00] <stiv2k> both packages have like almost identical descriptions
[18:01] <Jeeves_> roundcube-webmail, i believe
[18:03] <stiv2k> Jeeves_: am i going to need to create any custom apache config for it
[18:11] <googlah|sleepy> just noticed I could do alt+1, and some (arg 1) came in shell, is that some kind of predefined stuff?
[18:38] <keithclark> ok, I'll try later....
[18:41] <nxvl> mathiaz: did you want me to apply the patch to the new version of mysql uploaded some hours ago?
[18:42] <nxvl> nevermind
[18:42] <nxvl> i make a version mistake
[18:42] <nxvl> mysql has been uploaded to gutsy
[19:29] <nxvl> mathiaz: i have just realize that the template is missing on the patch i uploadto Bug #162167
[19:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162167 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "mySQL password asks only once" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162167
[19:30] <nxvl> mathiaz: i will upload it in a minute
[20:06] <aurax> anyone here knows something about jsvc?
[20:06] <aurax> i'm trying to load a jar as a service... but having problems with it
[20:43] <nxvl> mathiaz: ok, uploaded