[00:41] <cogeno> Is anyone here familiar with systemimager?
[01:15] <Bisclaveret> so... having an unusual problem
[01:16] <Bisclaveret> fresh install of xubuntu 7.10 downloaded yesterday, then ran the system updater while at work. when i came back restarted
[01:16] <Bisclaveret> now whenever i go to accessories>terminal X quits, and i'm dumped back to login
[01:31] <cogeno> You too, eh?
[01:31] <Bisclaveret> this is a common happening?
[01:32] <cogeno> I don't know, I'm having the same problme
[01:34] <Bisclaveret> well in syslog i have Mar 19 20:41:12 Dragon gdm[4912]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0
[01:34] <Bisclaveret> and the only error in xorg.log is EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
[01:35] <Bisclaveret> some warnings though
[01:35] <Bisclaveret> (WW) intel(0): DRI is disabled because it runs only at 16-bit depth.
[01:35] <Bisclaveret> (WW) intel(0): xf86AllocateGARTMemory: allocation of 1024 pages failed (cannot allocate memory)
[01:35] <Bisclaveret> WW) intel(0): Direct rendering disabled
[01:36] <Bisclaveret> i'm using onboard video
[01:43] <cogeno> Yeah. same story  here
[02:16] <Ultraputz> i have an issue with two wifi monitors in the system tray -- any idea how to get rid of one ?
[03:18] <Ultraputz> hrm
[03:24] <Ultraputz> .ee = estonia ?
[03:27] <Dissentor> Yes.
[03:30] <Ultraputz> any idea how to kill one of the network monitors if you have 2 of them in your system tray
[03:30] <Ultraputz> ?
[03:30] <Dissentor> No idea, sorry.
[03:30] <Bisclaveret> any idea why x stops whenever i try to open a term window?
[03:31] <zoredache> Ultraputz: delete everything under ~/.cache/sessions and relogin
[03:31] <Bisclaveret> i can ctrl-alt-f1 but then that completely defeats the purpose of having xubuntu with a gui
[03:32] <zoredache> Bisclaveret: several people have reported similar issues, it usually tends to be related to the video driver (i810 or nvidia)
[03:33] <Ultraputz> danke. brb
[03:34] <zoredache> several people report the similar issues, and have fixed it with various different tweaks
[03:34] <Bisclaveret> i'm using i810
[03:35] <zoredache> check out bug 91849
[03:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91849 in xorg-server "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[03:35] <Bisclaveret> i don't know where to go or how to fix it considering this is currently the longest i've been in any linux flavor continously, since my main machine died
[03:35] <zoredache> there are some work arounds there
[03:36] <Bisclaveret> and this is the 3rd flavor of ubuntu i've tried and the only oone thats really been useful/ran decently ;)
[03:46] <Bisclaveret> oops.
[03:46] <Bisclaveret> i forgot how to save end exit in vim
[03:48] <Bisclaveret> :q?
[04:04] <Ultraputz> no cigar -- still have 2 network indicators in sys tray :-)
[05:34] <Lectus> is there a light player for playing radios (like banshee) for xubuntu?
[06:17] <jimmywww> hi
[06:17] <jimmywww> could someone help me please
[06:21] <jimmywww> please
[06:33] <zoredache> !ask
[06:33] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[06:41] <jimmywww> okay, i have a x-series  220 and i would like to put xubuntu on it, but wont boot to the livecd
[06:41] <jimmywww> or any cd to that matter
[06:54] <jimmywww> anyone?
[07:42] <siggjen> jimmywww: you might want to set bios boot device to cd-rom or open boot menu on start
[07:42] <jimmywww> okay
[07:42] <jimmywww> i have done that
[07:44] <siggjen> well then i have no idea
[08:23] <Bisclaveret> so new question, need help compiling. or rather, i know what i want to do, i don't know if it can be done or how to do it
[08:25] <Bisclaveret> i have angband, and would like to compile it (the release in synaptic is old by several versions) as well as some variants. but i've never compiled anything in linux before or with gcc, only djgpp
[08:27] <Bisclaveret> how would i form the ./configure command in that i would have an executable i could place on the desktop (or have something in the applications>games selector) that would launch the program wheras i can stick the library files in /usr/local/lib/angband/
[10:01] <hyakuhei> hey all, I'm still having kernel issues. I get this when I started restricted-manager: modinfo: could not find module ipw3945
[10:01] <hyakuhei> it shows ipw3945 - so it knows it should be there but the module is missing, having sound issues too... :'(
[10:22] <hyakuhei> wooo, - it workies!
[10:23] <hyakuhei> purged restricted-manager-core, all of the linux modules, all of the linux images, and then installed just the generic ones. All works now :-)
[13:30] <chronic1> I installed xubuntu for a friend and everything worked perfectly at my house. He took the machine to his office and now he claims there is no Toolbar at the top and the only thing on the screen is a couple of icons (filesystem, and another).
[13:30] <chronic1> Any ideas? I've never had any problems like this before. I've confirmed that his monitor is displaying the entire screen because when he maximizes the filesystem sindow he can see everything.
[13:30] <ere4si> get him to type in a terminal -   xfce4-panel
[13:33] <chronic1> is there a hot-key to open a terminal? or is it /usr/bin/xterm from the filesystem window
[13:34] <ere4si> just xterm will do
[13:34] <ere4si> F2 on some systems
[13:37] <chronic1> maybe ctrl-f2?
[13:39] <ere4si> ctrl+alt+f2 will give a console - crtl+F7 to get back
[13:39] <ere4si> sorry - alt F7 to get back
[13:41] <chronic1> hmmm....wouldn't I need to run that command in the x-session
[13:41] <chronic1> ?
[13:42] <ere4si> it might be easiest to browse to /usr/bin/xterm
[13:43] <chronic1> yeah -- alrady did that...and xfce4-panel did the trick
[13:44] <chronic1> but do you have to make your own xinit file for XUbuntu? I'm trying to figure out how my friend's computer just starts up a blank xsession.
[13:44] <chronic1> I don't think he knows enough to delete that file, lol.
[13:47] <ere4si> applications - sessions and startup settings - and select the automatically save sessions on logout checkbox
[13:52] <ere4si> that will save his panel for startup
[13:52] <chronic1> "Jeremy: It won't let me type in the window! It won't let me type in the window! Me: You have to bring this thing back...it is doing stuff I don't know how to fix over the phone. Jeremy: Wait...wrong keyboard."
[13:52] <ere4si> hehe :)
[13:53] <ere4si> you're a good friend chronic1  :)
[13:53] <chronic1> What about the launch gnome services and launch kde services? Don't think I installed kde services.
[13:54] <ere4si> I use gnome services for that
[13:54] <ere4si> and I didn't install either
[13:55] <ere4si> but xfce4 uses gtk so... I chose gnome
[13:55] <chronic1> hmmm....when he closed the terminal it closed the panel....even when he runs it with &
[13:56] <ere4si> tell him to type exit instead of clicking the x for shutdown
[13:56] <chronic1> He says he is getting a critical error "Can not open pager."
[13:56] <chronic1> everytime he runs xfce4-panel
[13:58] <ere4si> "pager is a panel app that shows a miniature view of all desktops - must be an issue with it
[13:59] <ere4si> I don't know how to deal with that sorry - never had a similar prob
[13:59] <chronic1> no worries...neither have i
[13:59] <chronic1> when the box left here...it was connecting to secure wireless networks and doing everything quite nicely (considering the age of the system)
[14:00] <chronic1> claims he plugged it in at work and had all of these weird problems....i don't know how people do it
[14:03] <ere4si> was the pager app installed on the panel? - he might have done some playing around...
[14:56] <Askarii> /ns ajoin add /xubuntu
[15:32] <SpaceAviator> Is it illegal for me to buy a domain xubuntu.something?
[15:34] <ere4si> I guess the name "xubuntu" would be owned - but that is a guess
[15:34] <SpaceAviator> I have a domain.
[15:34] <SpaceAviator> www.xubuntu.in
[15:34] <SpaceAviator> :D
[15:35] <TheSheep> it's not illegal, but canonical can take a legal action if you start using it in a way that would confuse people to think it's official
[15:38] <TheSheep> SpaceAviator: see http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[15:38] <pleia2> SpaceAviator: see http://www.ubuntu.com/legal
[15:38] <SpaceAviator> I am talking from my cell
[15:38] <SpaceAviator> just tell me the bottom line. Would I get screwed?
[15:39] <TheSheep> SpaceAviator: probably not, unless you try to hurt canonical/ubuntu
[15:39] <TheSheep> SpaceAviator: but I'm not a lawyer
[15:40] <TheSheep> SpaceAviator: I'd advice you to contact your lawyer and consult it
[15:40] <SpaceAviator> lololol
[15:40] <SpaceAviator> I am 17 :D
[15:40] <TheSheep> then your parents are responsible for your actions
[15:40] <Askarii> there are lawyers for 17 yr olds too
[15:40] <Askarii> yup
[15:40] <SpaceAviator> Askarii: maybe.
[15:40] <SpaceAviator> But I figured out it would take quite some time to get @ubuntu.com email
[15:40] <SpaceAviator> but then I loved xubuntu like hell
[15:40] <SpaceAviator> so I got that domain
[15:41] <SpaceAviator> for Indian LoCo
[15:41] <ere4si> alot of years left then to pay back financial damages then when you're 17
[15:41] <ere4si> so be very careful
[15:41] <pleia2> SpaceAviator: read the information on the legal and trademarks pages when you're not on a cellphone, there are email addresses to contact from there if they are unclear or you have other questions about it
[15:41] <SpaceAviator> ok pleia2
[15:42] <SpaceAviator> Well I am not using it for anything official. Just the site for the indian xubuntu users
[15:42] <SpaceAviator> havent even started on it yet
[15:42] <TheSheep> it's not a problem usually, if you don't use it to attack them
[15:42] <SpaceAviator> I <3 them. Attacking is too far fetched
[15:43] <TheSheep> and then again, they have to send you a 'cease and desist' letter before they can sue you
[15:43] <SpaceAviator> yeah I figured that out
[15:43] <SpaceAviator> I am just busy with my senior year. After that I dive into the community completely.
[15:43] <TheSheep> but asking them doesn't hurt
[15:43] <SpaceAviator> I'll send them a mail soon, TheSheep
[15:56] <SpaceAviator> thanks for the help people
[15:56] <SpaceAviator> have a pleasant day
[15:57] <SpaceAviator> Cheers!
[16:02] <St0n3-C0l> Where to find Alpha 3 screenshots?
[16:03] <St0n3-C0l> ok done
[16:04] <ere4si> http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=Xubuntu%208.04%20Hardy%20Heron%20Alpha%203
[16:08] <St0n3-C0l> Yup bro thanks i got it...i was searchin wid Alpha 6 :P
[16:10] <ere4si> hehe
[16:16] <St0n3-C0l> im using ubuntu 7.10...what do i do to get it?
[16:16] <St0n3-C0l> ubuntu 8.04 alpha needs 384mb :P
[16:18] <ere4si> St0n3-C0l: 8.04 is still beta - end of april the stable is released
[16:21] <St0n3-C0l> Yup i know...but will the stable one be needing 256 mb ? :P
[16:21] <St0n3-C0l> i've 256mb ram ehe
[16:23] <ere4si> seems they all need more each release - I've just installed the server edition with fluxbox to get a lighter system on one box
[16:27] <St0n3-C0l> hmm...one advised me to go for Freebsd 7 ehe
[16:27] <St0n3-C0l> :p
[16:27] <St0n3-C0l> cos it's fast
[16:29] <ere4si> there's lots of alternatives - the main issue I've found is whether the packaging system for progs in an os is usable - ubuntu does the best job
[16:30] <St0n3-C0l> hmm...i was thinking to give debian a shot
[16:30] <St0n3-C0l> ehe
[16:30] <St0n3-C0l> this 8.04 Xubuntu needs 256mb
[16:30] <St0n3-C0l> wasn't this supposed to be a light-weight? :P
[16:31] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: livecd needs lots of ram
[16:31] <St0n3-C0l> TheSheep: I don't need livecd, I will just upgrade eh :D
[16:31] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: if you install with the alternate cd, it should require less
[16:31] <St0n3-C0l> They've given the absolute value
[16:31] <St0n3-C0l> wait
[16:31] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: where?
[16:32] <St0n3-C0l> lemme get the link
[16:32] <St0n3-C0l> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[16:33] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: it says 64MB
[16:33] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: 256MB is for Firefox ;)
[16:33] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[16:33] <St0n3-C0l> Minimum.
[16:34] <St0n3-C0l> Hmm why so much ? :P
[16:34] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: graphics needs ram
[16:34] <St0n3-C0l> But why did you point out Firefox only?
[16:35] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: besides, it's not that much by today's standards
[16:35] <ere4si> St0n3-C0l: so you're 256mb should be ok
[16:35] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: because firefox is the most commonly used application with high memory requirements
[16:35] <St0n3-C0l> TheSheep: I know but I've an old pc with DDR I technology. and DDR 1 is still expensive
[16:35] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: gimp is not used nearly as often
[16:35] <St0n3-C0l> It hurts when DDR 2 is nearly 50% cheap than DDR 1 :P
[16:36] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: ignore these specs and see how it works for you, if it's too slow, try using a different web browser, opera for example is rumoured to have lower memory footprint
[16:36] <St0n3-C0l> I use opera but I am having trouble with flash files
[16:36] <St0n3-C0l> It says click to activate?
[16:37] <St0n3-C0l> when i do it...it doesnt work
[16:37] <TheSheep> actually, I think they specified the mmemory so high because there were people with 64MB ram coming here and complaining it's slow
[16:37] <St0n3-C0l> i've flash installed and it works well on firefox.
[16:37] <St0n3-C0l> Hmm...
[16:37] <St0n3-C0l> Ubuntu beta users gave me a shock ! :P
[16:37] <St0n3-C0l> 384 mb haha!
[16:37] <St0n3-C0l> :d
[16:37] <TheSheep> ram becomes increasing cheap
[16:37] <St0n3-C0l> I am not interested in using compiz
[16:38] <TheSheep> increasingly
[16:38] <St0n3-C0l> TheSheep: Yup DDR 2 is but DDR 1 is expensive still
[16:38] <St0n3-C0l> cos one point is manufacturing is less now
[16:38] <St0n3-C0l> of DDR 1
[16:38] <TheSheep> well, maybe you can buy some second hand...
[16:38] <St0n3-C0l> Actually here the quality is so rough.
[16:38] <St0n3-C0l> I will still go in the market cos I wanted 1gb
[16:39] <St0n3-C0l> If I get 512mb, I can still use Ubuntu. Cos I love gnome not XFCE :D
[16:39] <TheSheep> there is a miniram-howto there
[16:40] <St0n3-C0l> Hmm..
[16:40] <ere4si> I turn of some services for a slight speed improvement e.g. cups
[16:40] <St0n3-C0l> ere4si: I did that, also I turned off 4 virtual consoles :P
[16:40] <St0n3-C0l> I prelinked too
[16:40] <ere4si> :)
[16:41] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: virtual consoles don't take additional ram :)
[16:41] <TheSheep> St0n3-C0l: maybe a byte or two
[16:42] <St0n3-C0l> hmm..
[16:42] <St0n3-C0l> i read an article on linuxjournal.com
[16:42] <St0n3-C0l> they said i
[16:42] <St0n3-C0l> t
[16:42] <St0n3-C0l> ehe
[16:42] <St0n3-C0l> :D
[16:42] <TheSheep> sigh
[16:43] <TheSheep> you can check it with the system monitor, really
[16:44] <St0n3-C0l> ehehe
[19:09] <cody-somerville> Please consider helping test the next release of Xubuntu. Please visit http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all
[19:11] <maxamillion> cody-somerville!!!!!!
[19:11] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: how have you been?
[19:12] <ere4si> busy?
[19:13] <maxamillion> it would appear so
[19:13] <cody-somerville> :)
[19:13] <cody-somerville> I'm just at work
[19:13] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, How are you?
[19:14] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: i'm at work as well
[19:14] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: did i tell you i got a full time linux admin job?
[19:15] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, Did I tell you I got a full time programmer job? :)
[19:15] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: no you didn't!!!
[19:15] <cody-somerville> lol
[19:15] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: congrats!!!! that's awesome
[19:15] <cody-somerville> Thanks.
[19:15] <cody-somerville> Congratz to you as well.
[19:15]  * maxamillion now swims in both the rpm and deb pools :P
[19:15] <maxamillion> thankies
[19:16] <maxamillion> all our servers here are RHEL so i jumped head first into fedora to learn it, its actually quite nice ;)
[19:16] <cody-somerville> :)
[19:16] <maxamillion> there are things i like about debian more, but i think both have their place
[19:16] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: what language do you code in for your job?
[19:16] <cody-somerville> PHP so far.
[19:17] <maxamillion> i still haven't gotten around to learning much php ... i just do everything in python
[19:17] <maxamillion> its my swiss army knife
[19:18] <cody-somerville> I'm getting sick of loosely typed languages
[19:19] <maxamillion> really?
[19:19] <maxamillion> wait ... python is strictly typed
[19:19] <cody-somerville> No it isn't.
[19:21] <maxamillion> well ... its dynamicly typed but i don't really consider that a typing
[19:22] <maxamillion> you have to type cast to perform certain operations
[19:23] <maxamillion> its strictly typed but not statically typed
[19:23] <cody-somerville> Fair enough
[19:23] <maxamillion> now i'm not sure
[19:23] <maxamillion> i'm asking in #python :P
[19:23] <cody-somerville> I prefer static, strict typing :P
[19:24] <maxamillion> ahhh ok
[19:24] <maxamillion> python is strongly typed but uses dynamic typing
[19:24] <maxamillion> i had my verb-age incorrect
[19:24] <maxamillion> :)
[19:25] <maxamillion> so you prefer static typing over dynamic? ... why is that?
[19:25]  * maxamillion is now curious
[19:25] <cody-somerville> Makes source code easier to read
[19:26] <cody-somerville> And I'm smarter than the compiler. I know what type I want.
[19:26] <maxamillion> lol, fair enough
[19:27] <maxamillion> but i don't think you can get much easier to read source code than a well written, well commented piece of python code
[19:27] <cody-somerville> Maybe ;]
[19:27] <cody-somerville> Python is pretty easy to understand.
[19:29] <maxamillion> but i will agree that languages like perl need to be shot in the foot
[19:30] <maxamillion> the level of obfuscation that can be slapped into working perl code makes me sick
[21:21] <Ubun`tux> hello
[21:23] <zoredache> !hello
[21:24] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[21:25] <maxamillion> j0
[21:25] <Ubun`tux> thanks
[21:27] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[21:27] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[22:40] <Bisclaveret> heh
[22:40] <Bisclaveret> people were talking about firefox earlier
[22:40] <Bisclaveret> i used to use k-meleon on a 48mb ram win95 computer
[22:40] <Bisclaveret> it was fast
[22:41] <Bisclaveret> about as fast as the IE3 that was on it
[22:42] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: great, now just port it to gtk and we are done :)
[22:43] <Bisclaveret> i'm not even sure if k-meleon is even being actively developed anymore, that was about 4-5 years ago, the last time my compy broke down and i was subject to a pentium-90 :p
[22:45] <Bisclaveret> yep, but a problem, it uses windows API instead of XUL
[22:46] <DrIP> hi all, how can i run things upon system startup?
[22:46] <DrIP> no user login, but system startup
[22:47] <TheSheep> DrIP: /etc/rclocal
[22:47] <TheSheep> DrIP: remember that they run as root
[22:47] <DrIP> thanks
[22:47] <siggjen> you might want to look into rcconf
[22:47] <DrIP> yea
[22:47] <maxamillion> Bisclaveret: XUL is relatively worthless
[22:47] <DrIP> also, when C++ finds header files, where does it look for them first?
[22:48] <DrIP> ../common/ssl_calls.c:24:25: error: openssl/rc4.h: No such file or directory
[22:48] <maxamillion> DrIP: depends on the compiler, i believe gcc checks its stdlib directory first
[22:49] <DrIP> err ^^ where should i put those heaser files for openssl/*
[22:49] <DrIP> gcc
[22:49] <TheSheep> DrIP: I think 'gcc -print-search-dirs' will tell you
[22:49] <maxamillion> DrIP: you might need to read the gcc man pages ... you are going to have to pass a parameter so that gcc knows where to find it
[22:50] <TheSheep> no, wait, that's for library files
[22:50] <DrIP> ahh
[22:50] <TheSheep> DrIP: usually in /usr/src/
[22:50] <DrIP> thanks for everything!
[22:50] <DrIP> TheSheep: ok, that sounds right
[22:51] <DrIP> thanks!
[22:51] <Bisclaveret> anyone have any idea about my gcc/compiling question? i'm completely new to compiling in A. linux and B. gcc
[22:51] <TheSheep> no, wait, that's just header files from kernel
[22:51] <TheSheep> DrIP: /usr/include/ :)
[22:51] <DrIP> ahhh
[22:51] <DrIP> ok
[22:51] <DrIP> i'm just a noob lol
[22:52] <TheSheep> DrIP: that's good, you have a tremendous potential to learn :)
[22:52] <DrIP> :) thanks
[22:52] <Bisclaveret> i've only compiled C code in djgpp so i don't know exactly how to go about compiling sourcecode in gcc, but i assume it's the same, but the output would be completely different in functionality as djgpp is dos and the library files would be in the same path as the executable there
[22:53] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: ask the question already :)
[22:53] <Bisclaveret> TheSheep: are you familiar with angband/nethack?
[22:53] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: yes
[22:54] <maxamillion> Bisclaveret: TheSheep wrote a nethack-style game ... well technically two of them (and they dominate btw)
[22:55] <TheSheep> maxamillion: now I'll look really bad if I don't know the enswer :P
[22:55] <TheSheep> answer
[22:55] <Bisclaveret> i'm trying to compile angband from source, and i THINK i've figured it out with ./configure but i don't know where to put the library path files. i used ./configure --with-libpath=/usr/lib/angband/lib
[22:55] <Bisclaveret> then make
[22:55] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: just configure alone should do it
[22:55] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: the defaults are fine
[22:56] <maxamillion> TheSheep: lol, sorry :D
[22:56] <Bisclaveret> how will the executable know where the /angband/lib files are?
[22:56] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: you might want to use --prefix if you don't want it to be installed system-wide though
[22:56] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: it has it hardwired at compile-time
[22:57] <maxamillion> Bisclaveret: its in the repositories, why are you compiling from source?
[22:57] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: if you don't specify it, the defaults are used
[22:57] <maxamillion> Bisclaveret: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=angband&searchon=names&suite=gutsy&section=all
[22:57] <Bisclaveret> because the version in the repositories isn't the current version
[22:57] <TheSheep> maxamillion: it's developed very actively
[22:57] <maxamillion> TheSheep: really?
[22:57] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i've never heard of it
[22:57] <TheSheep> maxamillion: since 15 years :P
[22:58] <Bisclaveret> i'm mostly a 2.8.2 version and variant man myself though
[22:58] <Bisclaveret> i didn't like the inclusion of lua because it made it harder to compile and ate up so much ram
[22:58] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: but it makes it easier to develop further
[22:59] <maxamillion> TheSheep: jeebus
[22:59] <maxamillion> TheSheep: is nethack still actively developed?
[22:59] <Bisclaveret> current version source is 3.0.9b
[22:59] <TheSheep> maxamillion: yes
[22:59] <Bisclaveret> and 3.0.9.c is in the works
[23:00] <maxamillion> huh ... i'll be
[23:00] <maxamillion> TheSheep: any word on those students who wanted to write for your game?
[23:00] <TheSheep> maxamillion: and it changed considerably with latest release
[23:00] <TheSheep> maxamillion: no
[23:00] <TheSheep> maxamillion: they were surprised that opensource also needs licenses
[23:00] <maxamillion> :(
[23:00] <maxamillion> TheSheep: LOL
[23:01] <Bisclaveret> angband follows a ~6 month release schedule, nethack is "whenever the devteam feels like it" it seems
[23:01] <maxamillion> TheSheep: what's their concern with the license? ... its GPL isn't it?
[23:01] <TheSheep> maxamillion: no concerns, they were just surprised to even hear the word
[23:02] <maxamillion> TheSheep: oh .... huh
[23:02] <Bisclaveret> i'm a fan of the MIT license :/
[23:02] <TheSheep> maxamillion: it's a school project, so I guess they will start working on it 3 days before the deadline
[23:03] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: it has its advantages, true
[23:03] <Bisclaveret> but that doesn't get you distributed with linux :p
[23:03] <maxamillion> TheSheep: ah, true .... forgot about that
[23:03] <Bisclaveret> which is a reason why angband got GPLd
[23:03] <Bisclaveret> kind of a "nethack's done it, why can't we do it?" thing
[23:03] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: different distributions follow different license guidelines
[23:04] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: I bet they meant BSD
[23:04] <maxamillion> Bisclaveret: you can distribute MIT licenced stuff with GNU/Linux ... MIT-Scheme is distributed
[23:04] <Bisclaveret> i think thats thier next target
[23:05] <maxamillion> granted i think that's dual licensed (which is something i hardly understand)
[23:05] <Bisclaveret> they're moving for a creative commons license i think
[23:05] <maxamillion> i'm out of here
[23:05] <maxamillion> laters all
[23:05] <TheSheep> license is nothing but an agreement from the author granted without the need to ask
[23:05] <TheSheep> you can have as many such agreements as you like
[23:06] <Bisclaveret> the original angband license was extremely basic and there were concerns about it's legality
[23:06] <TheSheep> provided that all the authors agree
[23:06] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: I like the Moo License
[23:07] <TheSheep> http://downlode.org/log/2005-01-14/Mu_License
[23:08] <Bisclaveret> if i could access my broken computer, i have my original copy of PC Angband 2.04 Frog-knows which started me to the whole roguelike thing i downloaded off a BBS like 14 years ago, that has the original license on it
[23:09] <Bisclaveret> it's still officially a patched Umoria 5.14
[23:10] <Bisclaveret> well angband compiled and appears to work in terminal
[23:10] <TheSheep> I used to be addicted to moria
[23:10] <Bisclaveret> i wanted it to run in terminal only because i'm used to running it in dos and hate the windows GUI
[23:11] <Bisclaveret> er the GUI mode that i
[23:11] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: I recommend the Terminus font for your terminal
[23:11] <Bisclaveret> so i compiled it with curses instead of x11/gtk/sdl
[23:12] <Bisclaveret> is that appropriate? lol
[23:12] <Bisclaveret> also i don't have the x11 or sdl libs on me atm >.>
[23:12] <Bisclaveret> if i make install, will i be able to launch it from anywhere in terminal?
[23:21] <Bisclaveret> all i've done in my experience is make -f makefile.ibm, upx -9 angband.exe, copy them both to floppy to put on my 386
[23:24] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: sudo make install
[23:25] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: it will copy the files in system-wide locations
[23:25] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: you need sudo to have write permissions there, of course
[23:25] <noclue> I'm not sure this is xubuntu specific, but whenever i try to launch a program that requires sudo (e.g.:synaptic), X hangs after i enter the password. If i ctrl+alt+backspace out of X, it works fine.
[23:26] <TheSheep> noclue: did you try to wait a while after entering the password?
[23:26] <TheSheep> noclue: for me it's about 30s wait and it goes on
[23:26] <noclue> TheSheep: probably 5-10 seconds or so
[23:26] <noclue> really?
[23:26] <noclue> well, that's not really acceptable is it?
[23:26] <TheSheep> noclue: yes, no clue what it is, I think the bug is reported
[23:26] <noclue> ah, ok
[23:26] <noclue> i'll give it a go, thanks
[23:27] <TheSheep> noclue: it usually doesn't appear on fresh installs, I must have installed/uninstalled something that broke it
[23:27] <Bisclaveret> wierd
[23:28] <Bisclaveret> in my install when i try to run synaptic it asks the password by itself
[23:29] <noclue> TheSheep: yep, sure enough after about 45-60 seconds it went on
[23:30] <TheSheep> noclue: extremely annoying
[23:30] <noclue> TheSheep: indeed.
[23:31] <noclue> TheSheep: i wonder if configuring sudo with NOPASSWD would fix it?
[23:34] <Bisclaveret> sudo synaptic starts right up for me after prompt for password. odd.
[23:36] <noclue> yep, NOPASSWD completely bypasses that issue for me.
[23:40] <Bisclaveret> hrm no, i was wrong. the old ./configure command worked after putting the right files in /usr/lib/angband/lib. the new ./configure without anything proceeding it fails.
[23:40] <Bisclaveret> Configuration:
[23:40] <Bisclaveret>   Install path:                           /usr/local
[23:40] <Bisclaveret>   lib/ path:                              ./lib/
[23:41] <Bisclaveret> if i'm going to do multiple variants, shouldn't i specify a path? (angband has it's own libs the program needs to run with it) and if so where should i put them that i don't need to sudo to get them to run? /home/lib1, etc?
[23:41] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: make install should put all the files in their right places automatically
[23:44] <Bisclaveret> it didn't
[23:44] <Bisclaveret> it moved angband executable to /usr/local/bin
[23:45] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: you called it at the top level?
[23:45] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: of the tarball
[23:47] <Bisclaveret> i extracted the tarball to home/bisclaveret/angband, went to that location in terminal
[23:47] <Bisclaveret> then did ./configure
[23:47] <Bisclaveret> make
[23:47] <Bisclaveret> sudo make install
[23:47] <Bisclaveret> typed angband, and got a "cannot find /angband/lib"
[23:49] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: there is nothng in /usr/local/lib/ ?
[23:50] <TheSheep> wait, why does it say ./lib? did you pass any additional flags to configure?
[23:51] <Bisclaveret> no
[23:51] <Bisclaveret> i just did ./configure
[23:52] <TheSheep> this is a little weird
[23:53] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: well, I guess you need that --with-libpath=/usr/local/lib/angband  after all
[23:54] <Bisclaveret> redid it, now it's doing something totally different. llo
[23:54] <Bisclaveret> bisclaveret@Dragon:~/angband$ sudo make install
[23:54] <Bisclaveret>    INSTALL     angband              (-> ..)
[23:54] <Bisclaveret> bisclaveret@Dragon:~/angband$ angband
[23:54] <Bisclaveret> The program 'angband' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[23:54] <Bisclaveret> sudo apt-get install angband
[23:54] <Bisclaveret> bash: angband: command not found
[23:55] <Lokian> hi all
[23:55] <Lokian> Can someone help me with network settings please?
[23:56] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: what does /usr/local/bin/angband do?
[23:56] <TheSheep> !ask | Lokian
[23:56] <ubotu> Lokian: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:57] <Lokian> I installed a second network card, and now I can't connect to anything, so what do I do to correct this?
[23:57] <Bisclaveret> TheSheep: : apparently, from what i'm asking, it tells angband the location of angband's /lib files. angbhand requires certain files to run which it first converts from a .raw format then uses them to run various things like the monster info, item info, etc databases
[23:58] <Bisclaveret> in DOS, the executable resides in (directory) and /lib directory in the same path as the executable
[23:58] <TheSheep> Lokian: go to system->netwrok settings and configure that second card
[23:58] <Bisclaveret> the same as in windows
[23:58] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: yes, but make install shouold take care of compiling them and putting them where you specified
[23:59] <Bisclaveret> i didn't specify a location, whers a pastebin
[23:59] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: and on unix you suaully don't put everything into one directory, and don't change your working directory to it before starting the program, so using "./lib" makes little sense