[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. weird IO issue there. wonder if i can reproduce it at all
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> then again, perhaps its just a bug in edubuntu/this laptop
[01:19]  * Kamping_Kaiser giggles. edubuntu just tried to import two of the office docs in ~/Examples
[05:31] <Muhammad_Saad> Does Evolution also has plug-ins or extensions like Thunderbird? I want to get mail for my Yahoo account with Evolution like I do with Thunderbird using the WebMail extension.
[10:15] <frenchy_> Hi All
[10:28] <jimjimovich> Can someone point me to information about running local apps on edubuntu thin clients?  is this a feature in the current release or in 8.04?
[10:33] <frenchy_> jimjimovich: I joined this channel just before you and it's my first time here.  But I'll try and answer your question.  How are your thin clients set up?
[10:33] <frenchy_> i.e. What technology are you using?
[10:34] <jimjimovich> frenchy_: Um, the normal way, I guess.  Edubuntu with one big server, many computers connected.
[10:35] <jimjimovich> frenchy_: but we are planning to redo the entire system this summer, so changing things would be an option
[10:35] <frenchy_> jimjimovich: Why don't you run the applications local?  Sorry, I'm trying to get an understanding of your requirements.
[10:36] <frenchy_> i.e I'm not suggesting that you run them local.
[10:36] <jimjimovich> frenchy_: I'd like to extend our system to include not only students but staff, and would need to give staff access to their local scanners/printers and we've also had problems with too many users using Firefox at once slowing down the server.  The staff have pretty powerful workstations and it'd be nice to make some use of that power
[10:38] <jimjimovich> frenchy_: as to why not running everything local, it's much easier to administer one Edubuntu server than 40 Ubuntu desktops
[10:38] <frenchy_> jimjimovich:  Oh, so they are already running as thin clients?
[10:38] <jimjimovich> frenchy_: student lab is, but would like to extend this to staff offices
[10:39] <frenchy_> jimjimovich: What are the thin clients running.
[10:39] <frenchy_> ?
[10:39] <frenchy_> Ubuntu?
[10:39] <frenchy_> Edubuntu?
[10:39] <jimjimovich> frenchy_:  Actually, most of the staff is running W2K right now.  And as their computers die from viruses, etc, we want to move them to linux. would be nice to just plug them into the Edubuntu server
[10:39] <jimjimovich> frenchy_: thin clients are booting from Edubuntu server
[10:42] <frenchy_> jimjimovich: Sorry, I now know what you are trying to do and haven't done this myself.  Anything that I suggest would be guesswork.  Sorry!
[10:42] <frenchy_> jimjimovich: Better of getting some who's done this.
[10:42] <jimjimovich> frenchy_:  I've done the network and understand that, just wondering about running apps locally.
[10:43] <jimjimovich> frenchy_: thanks for trying to help!
[10:43] <jimjimovich> actually, we have a full student lab running for almost 2 years with very little maintenance.  it's great
[10:45] <jimjimovich> ah, I finally found some info  http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN1683
[10:45] <frenchy_> jimjimovich: No worries ... just some ideas, normally you can run a remote application via `ssh -X user@server appname`.  That might help you search something on Google.
[10:45] <jimjimovich> just wondering what version of LTSP Edubuntu 8.04 will have and if it will support this
[10:49] <jimjimovich> ah, great, more info if anyone is interested.  still would be interested to know what this will look like in 8.04  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
[10:52] <frenchy_> The reason I'm here is offer my services as a developer to the project.  I had a look at Edubuntu and I was disappointed with the number and the quality of the applications available.
[10:53] <frenchy_> I know, I know, it's for free but if someone's got cool ideas and would like someone to implement them then please let me know.  michael.lamothe@gmail.com.
[10:56] <frenchy_> I have 2 sons at ages 2.5 and 2 weeks so I have an interest in developing software for their future.  I currently have an applications in universe called Me TV (me-tv) and specialise in graphics/multimedia applications.
[13:24] <wima> any ideas on how i can allow users to mount local drives without being member of the fuse group?
[13:25] <wima> all users are in an ldap database, and it is a bit of a hassle to add them to this group
[13:48] <johnny> puttingthem in the fuse group is a good idea.. seems like you should be able to do it with one query..
[13:50] <ogra_cmpc> johnny, not really, you shoulddnt uses system groups at all in ldap since they are assigned their ID dynamically at package install time ... the IDs between the system groups differ between machines
[13:51] <ogra_cmpc> ubuntu starts adding users with ID 1000  .... everything below that shouldnt be in ldap
[13:52] <johnny> the fuse group should exist before ldap comes into play tho?
[13:53] <stgraber> Here I have all my users in LDAP, then use /etc/security/group.conf to put the users in the right group at login time
[13:53] <ogra_cmpc> right
[13:54] <ogra_cmpc> you need some remapping
[13:54] <johnny> aha
[13:54] <johnny> there ya go wima :)
[13:54] <johnny> i've never done ldap to this point
[13:55] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: I'll have italc-1.0.7-0ubuntu2 ready for upload in a minute
[13:56] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: I'm just test building it on i386 but as it works fine on amd64 that shouldn't be a problem
[13:56] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, given that this bug was really esoteric .....
[13:57] <stgraber> I also fixed the icon bug at the same time, so my UI patch changed a bit too
[13:57]  * ogra_cmpc wouldnt even have thought of the possibilty that people do netinstalls of edubuntu-desktop
[13:58] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: it's one of the testcase we have in the tracker :)
[13:58] <ogra_cmpc> ah
[13:58] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/italc/
[13:59] <wima> ah thanks!
[13:59] <wima> seems like a good solution
[14:42] <wima> yes! it works!
[14:43] <wima> add pam_group, and edited the config file
[14:43] <wima> you guys are great!
[14:43] <wima> lets try another one:
[14:43] <wima> i want to do loadbalancing with two servers
[14:44] <wima> is there another solution then having two dhcp server compete with each other?
[14:45] <wima> my dhcp is on another machine
[14:45] <wima> doesnt have to be automatic
[14:46] <wima> selection menu is also good
[14:46] <wima> better actually
[14:52] <wima> is there a way i can do sth with the pxe menu?
[14:55] <stgraber> there is a way to do load balancing with ldm
[14:55] <stgraber> I have never used that though so I don't know much about it
[14:56] <stgraber> IIRC it's a kernel parameter or a lts.conf option where you can specify a list of server server1:server2:server3 ... then they will be displayed under the login in ldm
[14:57] <wima> ah, cool
[14:57] <wima> that would be great
[14:57] <wima> i'll see what google tells me
[15:02] <wima> i fount this: http://www.mindtouchsoftware.com/blog/2007/04/30/ltsp/ but i don't know the status
[15:06] <wima> i also found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LDMLoadbalancingSupport
[15:06] <wima> does anyone know if this is implemented?
[15:39] <monteslu> ogra_cmpc, who's giving you a hard time dude?
[15:45] <laga> ogra_cmpc: hey, don'
[15:45] <laga> t let the trolls discourage you
[15:46] <ogra_cmpc> monteslu, it was only the last push to make it explode ... i'm often blamed for only following canonical marketing intrests, its just that i see someone froked outr code implemented stuff that would help us a lot (16Mclients would rule) and dint contribute back because i'm there
[15:47] <ogra_cmpc> we changed upstream development completely to distro independent team maintenance 6 mounths ago to prevent that... it seems not to have worked
[15:48] <ogra_cmpc> i dont 2want to stand in the way of ltsp here, if me strepping beck from dev isw the only solution to get others involved i have to do that
[15:48] <ogra_cmpc> *back
[15:49] <monteslu> you put in a lot of work dude
[15:49] <monteslu> stepping back would be bad for ltsp as a whole
[15:49] <laga> yeah
[15:49] <monteslu> i'm reading the dev list archives...
[15:49] <monteslu> seems like shigorin is the one with the problem
[15:49] <laga> without you i'd still be recreating the wheel
[15:49] <ogra_cmpc> i wrote most of the inital code, yes and added many new designs ... let me sleep over it and see what the reactions on the ML are
[15:50] <ogra_cmpc> currently i'm just frustrated and sad
[15:50] <monteslu> alright man, thanks again for helping me out with my kid's school
[15:50] <ogra_cmpc> youre welcome :)
[15:51] <laga> ogra_cmpc: heh. even faust brightened up over easter, so don't worry too much ;)
[15:52] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, don't leave yet :) i still need you :)
[15:52] <johnny> lol
[16:56] <gvy> ogra_cmpc?
[21:03] <subsume> Can someone please tell me how to get the startup messages of a thin client onto the DHCP server?
[21:03] <johnny> huh
[21:03] <johnny> that doesn't make sense