[00:01] * awen_ curses the python-dbus implementation for not making sensible signal-handling possible (compared to python-dcop) [00:01] Riddell: I found the note. However I would like to put the translation on the Hungarian ubuntu site when beta has been released. [00:01] Riddell: So, not before the release. [00:02] sahin_h: give it an hour I think [00:02] awen_: if there's a way to do it that's sensible for post-beta, do go ahead [00:02] Riddell: one thing i know that doesnt work is to set proxy settings.. imposible to get it work at my work [00:02] Riddell: maybe it's a kde thing [00:02] Nookie^: proxy settings in what? [00:03] To be able to use internet [00:03] Nookie^: for which app? [00:03] For all [00:03] konqueror [00:03] can you get firefox to work? [00:03] firefox works yes [00:04] but not any other apps [00:04] that's why all people at ikea are using gnome instead =( [00:04] Riddell: g-p-m spawns app sending dcop signals directly to it; and g-p-m kills that app when closing; only thing needed is a patch to kde-guidance with an extra python file... sounds reasonable sensible? [00:04] awen_: seems reasonable enough [00:05] Nookie^: no idea I'm afraid, as far as I know it works for proxies, e.g. I know seaLne uses it [00:06] Riddell: strange.. because that popup window is comming up to authorize but it doesn't bypass it [00:06] hi mobiusNZ [00:06] hi all [00:07] Riddell: okay... expect a test package over the weekend [00:09] evening [00:10] hi [00:11] does anyone have a project they need someone to go over the code for, do little fixes etc... just to get me into the swing of things round here? I'm not new to programming, but I haven't played with python or c++ much.... [00:13] mobiusNZ: if you're up for python, system-config-printer-kde needs work [00:16] righto, now for the question that fully demonstrates my newness to buntu hacking ;)... I see thats a hardy package - do i need to be running hardy to be working on it? [00:17] mobiusNZ: no, I think gutsy is fine [00:17] mobiusNZ: you do need bzr though [00:17] just apting it now [00:21] mobiusNZ: you want the branch command from here https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kde-port [00:22] Riddell: Ok, I finished the Hungarian Kubuntu 8.04 beta article based on the original release note. [00:23] Riddell: http://ubuntu.hu/hirek/2008mar/megjelent-a-kubuntu-804-beta [00:23] sahin_h: great [00:23] Riddell: thanks, I'd figured out the url, was just figuring out which keyword to use... its a little different from svn i see, but I gather not too much [00:24] mobiusNZ: it's a straight port of the gnome app system-config-printer to qt [00:24] mobiusNZ: in many places you can copy and paste to some extent [00:25] mobiusNZ: so install system-config-printer and see what's missing in our version (or apt-get source source and look at the .glade file in glade-2) [00:25] mobiusNZ: maybe adding smb printer support to the new printer dialogue is the next step [00:26] mobiusNZ: when you make any changes, bzr commit to save locally [00:26] Riddell: righto cheers [00:26] mobiusNZ: if you put a public ssh key in your account on launchpad you can bzr push bzr+ssh://@bazaar.launchpad.net/~/system-config-printer/ [00:26] which will make it available to the rest of the world [00:27] mobiusNZ: have you used qt4-designer before? [00:27] nope [00:28] wtf @ bug 204455 [00:28] Launchpad bug 204455 in ubuntu "smart package manager is not installed by default in kubuntu kde4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204455 [00:29] mobiusNZ: it makes the .ui files that make the interface template, probably worth reading the docs and trying it out first http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/designer-manual.html [00:29] at first i thought he meant the smart package manager [00:29] up till now my gui programming has been java and c#.... hence why I'm more keen to go over code, refactor, etc, until I get the feel of how everything works [00:29] seems he means adept and/or synaptic.. but adept is installed by default [00:29] + he's on gutsy.. so i really have no idea what it's about [00:29] one of the kde4 preview cd's? [00:30] yuriy: quite likely [00:30] yuriy: close saying the hardy CDs have adept [00:30] Riddell: did you want the HelpingKubuntu page migrated to the drupal website or left on the Wiki? [00:30] ryanakca: can do [00:30] mobiusNZ: so this should be fun, its just converting gtk to qt :) [00:31] can do what? either? migrate? leave it? [00:31] Riddell: hmm, seem bzr that comes with gutsy isn't good enough for this branch [00:31] ryanakca: either :) [00:31] lol, I'll leave it on the Wiki and we can migrate it at a later date ;) [00:31] mobiusNZ: how about the one in gutsy-backports? [00:32] i will check... just have to load it [00:32] Adept Qt4? [00:32] dasKreech: no [00:35] mobiusNZ: you can get an up to date gnome version with svn co http://svn.fedorahosted.org/svn/system-config-printer/trunk [00:40] whats the deb entry for gutsy backports? I'm trying deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy gutsy-backports but its not working.... [00:41] skip the "gutsy"? [00:41] deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gitsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse [00:41] deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse [00:44] if i remove the gutsy, i get "E: Malformed line 22 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)" when running apt-get update [00:44] Anybody willing to do some colorizing on a few pngs (4, three tabs and a bar)? [00:44] if i have the gutsy in, it goes through all my sources, but I get [00:44] "Failed to fetch http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release Unable to find expected entry gutsy-backports/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)" [00:47] mobiusNZ: maybe the nz mirror is broken [00:47] i tried the main one as well (dropped the nz.), same prob [00:47] mobiusNZ: what do you have? [00:48] deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy gutsy-backports [00:48] no [00:48] deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse [00:50] ah, no, I have many ubuntu computers in this house so I have apt-proxy running... so my line is deb http://sarge:9999/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse [00:50] but i only have one dev computer so I just added the backports on my local machine. [00:50] Are you *sure* thats you're deb line? If I remove the initial gutsy after the url it won't work at all! [00:52] the line I pasted is correct [00:52] removing the "gutsy" from it will break it [00:53] mobiusNZ: sorry for the confusion. your original line is wrong in that it doesn't have main universe etc.. after "gutsy-backports" and *also* because it has an extra "gutsy" in before it [00:54] oh, I understand what the issue is now. I had thought that gutsy-backports was like main/restricted etc, when it is actually a different distro [00:55] its working now, on the kiwi mirror [00:57] bonza [00:58] god i miss my cable connection... downloading has never been the same since i moved house :( [00:59] we have a drupal site [00:59] ? [01:00] CheGuevara: we will [01:00] oh right [01:01] churro churro [01:01] * seele wonders if everyone has some form of fried sweet bread [01:02] Is it true that QTCurve was chosen as the KDE3 style for Hardy/ [01:04] Artimus: so the rumours say [01:05] seele: we have doughnuts up here in Canada... mind you, I guess thats more of a dough than bread... still yummy though :) [01:05] Bug report time, then. Color mismatching is present. (I also hate QTCurve, but I don't think I can file a bug report about that) [01:06] ryanakca: mmmm.. donut [01:06] ryanakca: i was also thinking fried dough you get from carnival [01:06] seele: I do [01:06] Just had some in fact [01:07] Yeah... you guys have beaver tails down in ? Or is that just another one of those canadian things? [01:07] Which is kinda strange cause I was wondering how you and blauzahl would react to it when you came down [01:07] seele: How's that for serendipity? [01:08] ryanakca: beaver tails? to eat? [01:08] dasKreech: fried dough? [01:09] seele: not real tails, its kinda like a pizza shaped thing, except elongated, made out of the same thing as doughnuts, and covered with brown sugar, cinammon, lemon juice, etc [01:09] uhm.. no, dont think so [01:09] we have something called cow tails tht are made of caramel and creme [01:09] I guess you guys call them "elephant ears" [01:09] We have ox tails [01:09] which are tails ... from an ox [01:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beavertail.jpg ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_tail_(pastry) [01:10] odd, I have a recipy for oxtail gnocci... but I haven't managed to find ox tails... [01:10] oooh.. yeah. that's fried dough [01:10] and then funnel cake is similar [01:12] thats like the churro i just ate, except its like a stick [01:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churro [01:13] heh, never heard of it :) === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Next meeting: Wednesday 19th 23:00UTC | Hardy Beta is out! [01:14] when is the actual next meeting? [01:16] sat 5th it should be === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Next meeting: Saturday 5th 11:00UTC | Hardy Beta is out! [01:18] * dasKreech sighs [01:18] why is the solution to all Windows problems Burn everything to the ground and start new [01:19] s/everything to the ground/a Kubuntu CD/ [01:21] yuriy: Preach my Brother [01:27] "Ideally, a user should never have to use the command line, but the option should always be there" <-- Would that be too off base for Kubuntu? I was having a discussion and a few users were against the idea... [01:29] Riddell: what did you want on the front page. dmiller suggested a "What is Kubuntu"... anything else? [01:30] What is kubuntu, big news story, news headlines [01:30] News headlines are in the left sidebar, similar to ubuntu.com, shall I remove that? [01:31] (and put it on the home page instead? Or should I put it on both?) [01:31] sidebar is good [01:31] Big news story, could that be like "KDE 4.0.2 package updates are available" ? [01:31] big header? [01:33] maybe a latest packages pointer [01:33] big news story would probably be releases and events [01:34] Ok [01:34] latest packages pointer, I'm guessing we can manually add that weekly? Or is there an rss feed with Kubuntu packages? [01:35] I think we want one page with the latest packages (currently we have a page for each change, but one page for all the current ones would be better) [01:36] and we can update the front page as new ones come out [01:37] manually [01:37] * Riddell snoozes [01:37] night [01:41] does kubuntu hardy have the random memory location feature? [01:44] anything ubuntu has in the kernel, Kubuntu has as well [01:52] nosrednaekim: too slow :) [01:54] I may be the fastest gun.... but it don't do no good when your targets just vaish into thin air :) [02:02] the default wallpaper was changed again? [02:03] lol [02:03] * ryanakca checks [02:03] I still think we should have a repo of wallpapers [02:03] its called gethotnewstuff [02:04] naaaaw [02:04] :-) [02:05] nosrednaekim: the blue with white on the right and a grid-ish thing on the left? [02:05] yeah [02:06] hmm... been like that for a week methinks [02:06] I was used to the blue swirlies [02:06] :( [02:07] which I admittedly wasn't a fan of. [02:11] that dude and his memory question asked 2 different versions of it in 2 different places [02:12] what was the other version [02:12] nixternal: and you remembered!! You pass :) [02:12] and where was it [02:12] kubuntu-devel ml [02:13] ah ok.. [02:13] nixternal: in the release notes, it seems to infer that the compiz config tool will only be on the kde3 disc,is that true? [02:15] don't know [02:16] does it say kde3 only in the topic? I don't remember what I put [02:16] compiz and kwin4 work together? [02:16] it says "for kde 3.5.9" [02:16] last we tried it was garbage [02:17] yeah, it works for me [02:17] quite well actually, the pager and all works perfetly [02:17] you can get rid of the 3.5.9 then if you would like [02:17] I can't stand compiz, so I don't play with it [02:18] does compiz run better with kde4 than it does kde3? [02:18] I was playing with it the other night on kde3 and doing custom settings still sucked a bit [02:19] yes, it works much better, no need for any cheesy new planel applets [02:20] nosrednaekim: they patched in support for KDE sessions this week too :) [02:20] sessions? [02:21] like multiple logins? [02:21] Yes it remembers open windows which desktop they were on if they weer minimized which was on top [02:21] currently I think it just dumps all open windows on desktop one in whatever order and unminimizes them all [02:22] bwhahah, my momjust came by and read my open firefox tab "hardy upgrades" and goes "sounds like a breakfast cereal" [02:24] Now with Wheat [02:25] no no! [02:25] Now with vitamin K [02:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-kde4/+bug/199287 [02:26] Launchpad bug 199287 in kdebase-kde4 "File Associations Settings Module Broken Under KDE4 (Hardy)" [Medium,Incomplete] [02:26] nixternal: lol [02:37] Hobbsee? [02:49] yikes... i need a bigger screen to use qt4! [02:49] by qt4 i mean designer-qt4 [02:57] * Czessi-m is away: Gone away for now. [02:57] * Czessi-m is away: Gone away for now. [02:57] * Czessi-m is back. [03:21] is there a kde4 quanta or is kde4 kdevelop available? [03:21] in the new kubuntu [03:30] milian-laptop_: no to both quanta or kdevelop [03:30] neither are quite ready last I checked [03:32] too bad [03:32] but thanks for the info [04:10] nice job on the adept_manager upgrade to hardy without a cd tool [04:29] Riddell: you there? [04:29] he's probably in bed now [04:30] no worries... anyone else know where I might find the python module ppds in gutsy? [04:33] maybe in python-cups [04:34] doesn't appear to be [04:34] i have python-cups installed [04:36] ppd is part of the system-config-printer app [04:36] i also have system-config-printer installed [04:37] nix... ter... nal!!!!! [04:37] mobiusNZ: $ dpkg -S ppds.py [04:37] system-config-printer-common: /usr/share/system-config-printer/ppds.py [04:39] stdin: thanks, i must have my search paths mucked up or something [04:39] i do have that file on my system [04:39] it should be part of system-config-printer-common, let me see if it's on gutsy [04:43] mobiusNZ: /usr/share/system-config-printer/ppds.py should be in system-config-printer [04:43] (on gutsy) [04:44] stdin: thanks, I've found it... now I just got to figure how to link to it [04:45] heh, you're on your own with that part, I can only just about do a "Hello, World!" app in python :p [04:46] hah, yeah I'm just learning it now by working on it. I've got diveintopython.org open on my lappy ;) === abattoir_ is now known as abattoir [04:47] mobiusNZ: if you are interested in learning Python and Qt at the same time, the PyQt4 book is great..I think it taught me Python better than anything else I read [04:47] stdin: since you brought it up has helloworld been packaged yet? [04:48] now I can take what I learned from it and then work with the strictly python books to get a better understanding [04:48] [04:48] there you go :p [04:49] nixternal: thanks for that, I'll check it out. I'm quite fluent in c#, java and php, and python seems to take bits from each of these, so i'm able to work out what most of the code does [04:49] dasKreech: I only see the "hello" packages, so no [04:50] doesn't c# == java / 100? :p [04:50] !info hello hardy [04:50] hello (source: hello): The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2-2 (hardy), package size 19 kB, installed size 584 kB [04:51] That old version ? [04:52] nixternal: yeah, I know what you mean - but I learnt java first, the c#, then when i went back to do a java project I actually missed a lot of the features c# has over java... :S [04:52] dasKreech: it's just a simple "Hello, World!" C app, it's only used to teach packaging [04:55] #include [04:55] main() { printf("Hello World"); } [04:55] you are telling me they have that right there packaged? [04:55] yeah :p [04:55] omg [04:56] with an installed size of half a meg lol [04:56] printf(" isn't that java? [04:56] I am going back to Windows...they may have viruses, but they definitely don't have an installable Hello World application :p [04:56] printf is everywhere [04:57] cout << "everywhere?'; [04:57] hehe [04:58] error: missing closing quite [04:58] std::cout [04:58] quote [04:58] kdebug() << "EVERYWHERE!"; [04:59] fine, then go back to windows [04:59] hahahaha [04:59] took you long enough [05:00] compbot: int main() { cout << "Hello, World!"; } [05:00] but take your Hello World package with you [05:00] Hello, World! [05:00] :) [05:00] stdin: you didn't return an int, so that would cry [05:00] nixternal: no, the standard says main returns 0 by default [05:00] orly [05:00] didn't know that [05:00] ja [05:01] well, now you do :p [05:01] tis trully true [05:01] well I'll be damn [05:01] I guess we all got tired of typing "return 0;" so it was made implicit [05:02] string nixternal = "dammed"; [05:02] heh, I do remember that now... [05:03] I was thinking of how you can use -> void main() <- with Visual Studio [05:03] I used to get on our instructor all of the time [05:03] eww, that's evil [05:18] nixternal: It has classes [05:24] !info most hardy [05:24] most (source: most): Pager program similar to more and less. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.10.2-5 (hardy), package size 43 kB, installed size 168 kB [06:20] now seele's glasses or on planetkde and ubuntu :) [06:50] Nice :) [07:00] how are you Jucato ? [07:00] frying.. [07:14] Slow sizzle? [07:14] yeah [07:24] how you like it? [07:27] hehhe [07:27] wanna switch places? :) [07:28] gah, Im so bored. someone break something... [07:29] * nareshov dloads naruto-051-052 :} [07:29] dattebayo.... [07:41] :-) === rraphink is now known as raphink [09:23] hi! is there any guide to help me to compile latest KDE4 in hardy? [09:32] davebv: general build instructions on techbase [09:34] thanks, is there any specific info for hardy? [09:34] I only found for gutsy, and general instructions [09:34] davebv: follow gutsy instructions [09:35] ok, thanyou very much! [09:48] * awen_ just realised how annoying it is to test suspend functions, when working on the laptop meanwhile [10:10] when I have to add some lines to $PATH, how can I do that? === hunger_t is now known as hunger [10:25] hey Riddell, just read your blogpost on the 8.04 beta. [10:25] any idea where i can find the SVG of those neat glasses? 8-) [10:36] what fglrx version is hardy using by default? [10:38] Moniker42: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/akregator.svgz (by pinheiro, LGPL 3) [10:39] Riddell, thanks [10:39] now to add these lovely specs to complete my pimped drupal icon... [11:42] Riddell: ping [11:48] hi ryanakca [11:49] good morning all === felipe_ is now known as felipe__ === felipe__ is now known as felipe_ === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Nookie is now known as Noq^ [11:59] ryanakca: were you after some website artwork last night? Noq^ might be able to help [12:00] sure [12:01] Riddell: as i told u i have installed beta version.. and first. Why is system visible in the menu? i think that should be in system settings maybe.. ? [12:03] Noq^: KDE 3 or 4? [12:03] Riddell: 3 [12:04] Noq^: System includes various technical programmes that are useful to users [12:05] Riddell: of course.. but they are for settings of various things... [12:06] You control the system / hardware with those.. [12:06] some are, some aren't. none of them are kcontrol modules though so they can't go i system settings without large infrastructure changes [12:06] Riddell: i see [12:37] Noq^: ping, you still around? [12:40] Noq^: if so, can you please change / colorize these images to blue, or replace them by an image of the same size, in blue, using the oxygen color palette? [12:40] http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/tabs/ [12:41] Riddell: I'm going skiing, I'll be back on Sunday night... I sent you a link to the webpage and created an account for you if ever you really wanted to change something and couldn't resist the urge to do so :) [12:42] thanks ryanakca [12:51] fabo: why rename libqt4-core? that causes lots of upgrade problems [13:05] Riddell: Qt4.4 breaks binary compatibility on mips architecture, a package rename is needed. We would to make sure all packages will be rebuilded against new libraries. [13:06] tsk, naughty mips [13:07] <\sh> fun ;) [13:10] yay it's friday and i have no meetings! (yet) [13:11] oh, figures today isn't a hug day [13:11] and no glasses either :) [13:11] i'm blind enough i could probably test accessibility functions :P [13:12] <\sh> seele: you have a braille keyboard? :) [13:12] * \sh could need one too when he's losing his glasses [13:13] hehe [13:13] \sh: i just need to the nibs on my keyboard to type.. i probably dont need labels [13:14] <\sh> seele: well, it was more for "watching what's on the screen" not "typing" [13:41] is there a way to figure out who authored a certain module? [13:42] seele: module of what? [13:43] in system settings [13:44] seele: help->About in KDE 3 [13:44] probably KDE 4 too [13:44] most get written once and never touched again though [13:44] uhm.. i dont see any menus.. just the search box and some tabs on the main menu [13:45] guess that's not an option in KDE 4 then [13:45] lol, well there goes that idea [13:45] <\sh> isn't it written in the sourcecode? authors file or whatever? [13:46] yes, you'd need to look there [13:46] they're mostly in kdebase-workspace-4.0.2/kcontrol [13:46] ok [13:48] some are in kdebase-runtime-4.0.2/kcontrol [13:54] * apachelogger waves at \sh [13:55] \sh: do you have time to revu a package? [13:58] * apachelogger throws http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-qt-engine-kde4 on \sh's desk and goes compiling amarok on windows [13:58] Nightrose: wish me luck [14:00] oh.. system settings is still kde3 isnt it? [14:01] <\sh> apachelogger: I put it on my list [14:04] <\sh> but first some real life work :) [14:14] seele: well its both [14:15] * Hobbsee was surprsied to find the similarity between system settings and the mac equivalent yesterday. [14:16] Riddell: Beta got released then :) [14:16] davmor2: so slashdot says [14:17] as long as slangasek says so too I don't care :) [14:21] Riddell: hey, in printer config dialog, where should I add the delete printer button?the GTK dialog has a row of buttons across the top for new printer, new class,etc. [14:22] nosrednaekim: add it to the first page [14:23] the one with the new printer/class button [14:24] but then how do I select which printer to delete? a popup? [14:24] oh, it deletes the current printer? [14:24] then put it on the printer page, near clean print heads etc [14:26] ok, thats what I was thinking, great. [14:26] is it possible to dynamically resize a tab area? i know you can for a groupbox [14:27] nosrednaekim: or see page 2 of kubuntu_printer_configuration.pdf [14:27] seele: tab area? [14:27] Riddell: where is that? [14:27] nosrednaekim: in the sources [14:27] :P [14:28] Riddell: the area in the box belonging to a tab widget? [14:28] seele: you can resize anything [14:28] ah, ok. heh [14:34] Riddell: ah ok.... time for some UI fixes. [14:35] :) [14:36] nosrednaekim: well, the priority should be getting it working at all, making it match that UI document has to come second [14:36] alright. [14:56] hum I lost keyboard and mouse after reboot on hardy, is that known problem ? [15:44] mornin' [15:45] tonio: did you look behind the fridge? [15:45] hahaha [15:46] ya, that is where my keyboard and mouse always run off to [15:47] hi :) [15:48] Riddell: nice! [15:48] hi dinosaur-rus [15:54] ok, what in the world does @pyqtSignature("") do? it has something to do with the automatic signal->slot connector of pyqt4.uic doesn't it? [15:57] nosrednaekim: yes, I can't remember the details just now, I think I just guessed until it did the right thing [15:57] nosrednaekim: in some cases pyqt likes to make signals automatically and you need that to stop it [15:57] or I seem to mind it calls the slot twice for no good reason and that fixed it [15:58] Riddell: which is precisely what it was doing to me and I just threw one of those on becuase I saw them elsewhere in the code:) [15:58] (and that fixed it) [15:59] spooky really [16:00] think of the @pyqtSignature() as an easy way to do polymorphism with signals [16:00] yeah, it was killing me for like an hour.... offering to delete a printer twice :) [16:01] all it does is specify arguments for signals...so it allows you to have signals with the same name, but different functions [16:02] plus it does the automagic connection [16:02] oh I see, so you have two connections to "on_btn_clicked" but you can't have two functions with that name, so you throw one of those in? [16:03] it seems automagic connection works without the @pyqtSignature.... [16:06] it does, but who knows what the future will bring [16:06] from what I have been told by Mark Summerfield is that it is good practice [16:07] ok [16:07] what are you using to edit the python code? just kate? [16:08] Riddel: you told me to ping you today: gwenview bugfix at https://launchpad.net/~allee/+archive [16:08] ooh, I need to make a new docs package so it can translated [16:08] * nixternal gets to work [16:08] nixternal: yeah [16:17] hi there [16:17] hello comm_a_nder [16:17] just want to report: ive never had such a smooth dist-upgrade like gutsy to hardy [16:18] w00t, that is awesome to hear..and it seems that has been the general concensus of late [16:18]