[00:00] <maroo> gna apple is so much more proprietary than microsoft
[00:00] <Level15> yeah...
[00:00] <Dr_willis_> by a factor of like 20000%  :)
[00:01] <Dr_willis_> 'its for the users own good' :)
[00:01] <Level15> only difference is they don't own such a big portion of the market, thank god
[00:01] <maroo> well they own a fairly large part of the digital music market
[00:02] <maroo> *cough*
[00:02] <Dr_willis_> Apple is its own worst enemy in many ways.. They are very good at taking 2 steps forward then 3 back.. so they can keep a deathgrip on 'their' specilized markets
[00:02] <Level15> maroo: yeah, true... i was thinking only abt computer market
[00:03] <maroo> well i want to browse some f**** podcasts and also look at phobos urls i get :(
[00:03] <maroo> but those apple monkeys *grrr*
[00:03] <Dr_willis_> Spank the Apple Monkeys
[00:05] <posingaspopular> not on topic
[00:06] <posingaspopular> carlzenox: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:06] <posingaspopular> in a terminal
[00:07] <maroo> posingaspopular: actual on topic question was: is there some open and free itms browser for podcasts and phobos urls :(
[00:07] <Dr_willis_> miro - can do a lot of that stuff.
[00:07] <Dr_willis_> or was it mirro
[00:07] <maroo> miro? hmm oh yeah have to take a look at this again
[00:08] <Dr_willis_> I dont watch 'podcasts' i watch 'web casts' ) :)
[00:08]  * Jucato doubts it can access itunes store though
[00:08] <maroo> hmmm
[00:08] <Dr_willis_> and i most definiatly DONT use the itunes store.
[00:08] <maroo> itunes seems to work with wine more or less
[00:08] <Dr_willis_> So good luck therer.
[00:08] <maroo> i don't want to buy stuff there..
[00:08] <maroo> but they actually offer some good podcasts
[00:08] <mDemocritus> Dr_willis_: but it'
[00:09] <mDemocritus> it's such a good value :D *snrk*
[00:10] <Dr_willis_> Im old...  i listen to the same music i bought 30+ yrs ago..... :)
[00:11] <Dr_willis_> i wonder at the legality of that.. I own the LP's ! so can i legally download the mp3!  (yea.. right... dream on....)
[00:11]  * Dr_willis_ needs a 8track tape -> usb ->mp3 converter
[00:11] <Level15> Dr_willis_: well, maybe, depends on where you live, I guess
[00:12] <Dr_willis_> Level15:  thats just it.. it shouldent 'depend' :)
[00:12] <martalli> Dr_willis_: All you need is a proper line in connection.  You can scrape the audio any which way (audacity is simple, but I am sure there are cli utilities
[00:12] <Level15> Dr_willis_: true...
[00:13] <martalli> 8-track -> old audio cable -> rca -> 2.5 mm connector -> line in == audacity ==> wav file == oggenc ==> ogg files
[00:13] <Dr_willis_> I love printing out these mpaa/riaa articals where they claim/say/get quoted in sayi that you need to buy 4 copies of the disney movie, in order for your 4 kids to watch it....
[00:13] <Dr_willis_> :)
[00:14] <Dr_willis_> really gets the guys at work.. taking.
[00:15] <Dr_willis_> It realy confuses the peple at work that linux 'people' often focus on these 'legal' issues of software so much.    Then i bring in these outragous patent articals.
[00:18] <jack> help! im used to gnome.. and now that ive changed to kde i cannot figure out how to remove all the icons from the KDE menu
[00:18] <jack> anyone know how to do this?
[00:19] <jack> anyone?
[00:20] <posingaspopular> http://imagebin.org/15089 anyone know how to kill all these processes and stop them from running when I boot?
[00:21] <jack> well, sorry i dunno, but atleast i know im in the right channel
[00:21] <jack> XD
[00:22] <Plantain> posingaspopular: killall processname
[00:22] <jack> plantain, got any fix for removing all the icons in the kde menu?
[00:22] <posingaspopular> yea but what is the name of the process
[00:22] <posingaspopular> moreover, i want to stop it from running at all
[00:23] <posingaspopular> since i never print
[00:23] <posingaspopular> or at least, stop it from running at boot
[00:23] <flipstar> posingaspopular: just kick out everything printer-related in services
[00:23] <posingaspopular> ah i see, duh
[00:24] <largo24> jack, right-click the kmenu to edit
[00:24] <posingaspopular> i can't get to system services because of a hardy bug, but at least I know how to fix it now
[00:24] <jack> i did
[00:24] <posingaspopular> thanks!
[00:24] <Level15> pkill printer, i think
[00:24] <jack> that opens the kmenu editor
[00:24] <jack> but that allows me change the icon for each menu item individually
[00:24] <jack> not remove all at once
[00:24] <flipstar> posingaspopular: you can use rcconf or sysv-rc-conf
[00:24] <joh6nn> i have a very simple shell script in my ~/.kde/Autostart folder that doesn't seem to be running when i log in. i can run it manually from konsole, but if i hit alt+f2 and try to run it from the Run Command dialog, it fails silently.  anyone have any thoughts?
[00:25] <flipstar> joh6nn: if you want to run it without path you have to add it into /usr/bin
[00:26] <joh6nn> flipstar: i'm running it with path
[00:26] <jack> i want to remove icons in all menus....
[00:26] <flipstar> joh6nn: maybe you need an sh infront of it..
[00:27] <carupiax> compiz+kubuntu+nvidia  white screen?
[00:28] <joh6nn> flipstar: the script works fine if i call it from the shell.  it just doesn't run at the time it's supposed to, when i log in to my KDE user account
[00:28] <flipstar> joh6nn: it is executeable ?
[00:28] <joh6nn> flipstar: yes
[00:28] <largo24> jack, do you mean remove gnome icons from kde menu or all icons?
[00:28] <jack> largo24: all icons
[00:29] <jack> largo24: for all menus
[00:30] <carupiax> compiz+kubuntu+nvidia  white screen? when activate
[00:30] <some_dude> I'm trying to get some bbc tv in my browser, but I'm having trouble, the link is http://www.bbcworld.com/Pages/default.aspx can anyone see if that works for them ?
[00:32] <maroo> hmpf it can't actually be that hard to make a browser for the itunes music store :/.. setting user agent to "iTunes.." helps to see the xml and extract the urls to the mp4 files :/
[00:33] <largo24> jack, poke around in Control Center->Appearence & Themes->Icons->Advanced->Small Icons->Size
[00:34] <jack> largo24: set all sizes to 0?
[00:34] <jack> largo24: actually, they can get smaller, but not removed
[00:34] <Erickj92> can some one help with with this tutorial: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#KDevelop ... I am having some issues using it
[00:35] <maroo> ok thanks anyway folks.. next time you see an apple fanboy lecture him about how evil apple is and that this makes him evil too (i.e. by using itms to browse podcasts)
[00:38] <joh6nn> anyone know why a shell script would run fine in the terminal, but not from the alt+f2 Run Command?
[00:40] <flipstar> does your script start with #!/bin/bash ?
[00:40] <joh6nn> yes
[00:41] <flipstar> does it work with sh <script> from alt+f2 ?
[00:41] <Erickj92> is there a KDE4 development channel?
[00:41] <joh6nn> i've been using this script since Breezy without problems, but i reinstalled a few weeks ago, and i just now got around to moving this script back to .kde/Autostart
[00:42] <joh6nn> flipstar: hold on, i'll try that
[00:42] <jack> i should just quit wrestling with kde, it seems its impossible to remove all the icons in all menus at once....
[00:42] <jack> grrr
[00:42] <joh6nn> flipstar: no, it doesn't
[00:43] <flipstar> got no idea then
[00:45] <joh6nn> all right, well, thanks anyway guys
[00:46] <Erickj92> anyone know of a KDE4 development channel to get support with kdevelop
[00:47] <flipstar> maybe ##linux-coders but i guess theres low traffic
[00:47] <Erickj92> darn
[00:47] <Erickj92> i can never get anything to work
[00:48] <flipstar> you got a specific problem ?
[00:49] <Erickj92> yeah, i cant build this program
[00:49] <Erickj92> in this tut: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/First_program#Build
[00:49] <Erickj92> it throws out more errors then my snowblower throws out grass
[00:49] <Erickj92> snow*
[00:50] <flipstar> the first line throw this error ?
[00:50] <Erickj92> it tells me it cannot locate KApplication
[00:50] <Erickj92> no such file or dirrectory
[00:51] <Erickj92> it makes me wanna cry
[00:55] <flipstar> seems you need kdecore
[00:56] <flipstar> got that from http://www.kdevelop.org/1.3/doc/kde_libref/index-3.html chapter 3.1
[00:58] <[T]ank> i am getting the following error with kppp: The pppd daemon died unexpectedly! Exit status: 15 See 'man pppd' for an explanation of the error codes or take a look at the kppp FAQ on http://developer.kde.org/~kppp/index.html.
[00:58] <[T]ank> any ideas how to correct it? i looked at the link and have tried everything i have read there.
[01:19] <joseluix> hola
[01:19] <joseluix> hi
[01:20] <joseluix> Do someone know how I have to install compiz?
[01:20] <SlimeyPete> !compiz
[01:20] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:23] <joseluix> ubote, I've installed compiz with emerald, but I had to uninstall it because when I reboot the windows appears without frame
[01:24] <joseluix> then I've installed compiz without emerald so I had the same problem
[01:25] <flipstar> joseluix: you need to run compiz and emerald like "compiz --replace &&emerald --replace"
[01:27] <joseluix> flipstar, Can't compiz work without emerald,only with kde
[01:27] <flipstar> sure..but then you have no borders..emerald is an window decorator
[01:31] <joseluix> flipstar, but why compiz without emerald in ubuntu does'nt have this problem, workin with gtk the windows appears with borders,I'd like to know if there's some similar for kde
[01:31] <flipstar> in ubuntu compiz uses another window manager i guess
[01:32] <CHE> hola?
[01:32] <flipstar> just ask in #compiz-fusion
[01:32] <bobleny> Does anyone happen to know the directory in which terminal is located?
[01:32] <joseluix> ok flipstar, thank you
[01:33] <flipstar> bobleny: /usr/bin/konsole
[01:35] <fuhreal> Anyone know how to change the default app for mp3's ?? Mine keeps opening Mplayer when i want to use rhythmbox
[01:37] <Dr_willis__> configure konwueror -> filetypes -> set the defaults there.
[01:37] <bobleny> fuhreal: Right click mp3, select open with, choose rhythmbox from list, check the box at the botom to save that app click ok.
[01:37] <bobleny> Or what Dr willis said...
[01:38] <Dr_willis__> 'konqueror' -> settings -> configure Konq. -> file Assoicatuibs
[01:38] <Dr_willis__> associations. :)
[01:38] <Dr_willis__> what i am 'trying to say' at least. Heh
[01:51] <bobleny> Is anyone in here familuare with JAVA? : What is the line used to keep konsole from closeing?
[01:52] <Dr_willis__> Hmm..  in bash, or other langisages - one often have a 'read/input' statement at the end of the script.
[01:52] <Dr_willis__> Not sure about java
[01:53] <joseluix> do someone know about kde-windows-decorator, i don't want to use emerald
[01:55] <Dr_willis__> joseluix,  what about it?
[01:56] <Dr_willis__> http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Decorators/KDEWindowDecorator
[01:56] <Dr_willis__> kde-window-decorator --replace
[01:57] <joseluix> Dr_willis__, i don't wat to use emerald with compiz, but if a install compiz without emerald doesn't appear the windows border
[01:57] <Dr_willis__> Install the kdewindowdecorator and use it.
[01:57] <Dr_willis__> !find kde-window-decorator
[01:57] <ubotu> No packages matching 'kde-window-decorator' could be found
[01:58] <Dr_willis__> wonder what package its in..
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> !info compiz-kde
[01:58] <ubotu> compiz-kde (source: compiz): OpenGL window and compositing manager - KDE window decorator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1.1 (gutsy), package size 88 kB, installed size 228 kB
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> XD
[01:58] <Dr_willis__> There we go.
[01:58] <joseluix> Dr_ willis__, in synaptic I don't find it (kdewindowdecorator)
[01:58] <Dr_willis__> this is covered in the !compiz factid wiki page i thought
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> joseluix: compiz-kde
[01:58] <Dr_willis__> !compiz
[01:58] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:58] <Dr_willis__> sudo apt-get install compiz-kde compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compizconfig-settings-manager emerald librsvg2-common
[01:59] <Dr_willis__> is what the wiki page suggests.
[01:59] <joseluix> nosrednaekim, i've istalled it, but the same, without bordes
[02:00] <joseluix> emerald eve fails,for example gtk doesnt need emerald so i need some similar but for kde
[02:01] <joseluix> i'll continue lookin for
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> joseluix: make sure window decorations is enabled in the compiz-settings-manager
[02:01] <Dr_willis__> you can run emerald under gnome.
[02:02] <Dr_willis__> i thinkyou can even run the  gtk-window-decorator --replace  under kde.
[02:03] <joseluix> wath!! Can i use the gtk -win*** with kde
[02:03] <Dr_willis__> joseluix,  try it and see.
[02:03] <joseluix> ok
[02:03] <Dr_willis__> ive swiched btween all 3 at times to try them all out under gnome and kde.
[02:04] <bobleny> joseluix: What is the problem that you are haveing?
[02:04] <joseluix> i'll try...
[02:04] <Dr_willis__> bobleny,  he was a little vague on that detail. :)
[02:05] <joseluix> bobleny, I want some like gtk-windows.decorator, but for kde, idont want to use emerald...
[02:05] <Dr_willis__> joseluix,  the kde-window-decorator woule be best to use under kde.
[02:05] <bobleny> Oh... May I ask why you don't want to use emerald?
[02:05] <Dr_willis__> you only have the 3 choices. :) try all 3
[02:06] <joseluix> emerald fails very much, when i reboot compiz inicia but emerald no
[02:07] <joseluix> emerald fails very much, when i reboot compiz execute but emerald no
[02:07] <Dr_willis__> is it failing, or just not starting up when you reboot?
[02:07] <Dr_willis__> put 'emerald --replace' in your  .kde/Autostart Dir - is one way to get it to always start
[02:09]  * Dr_willis__ fixes some typos on the compiz wiki page.
[02:09] <joseluix> not starting but at the begin works well  with he comand --replace
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> joseluix: are you running these command from a alt+f2 run command dialog?
[02:10] <joseluix> well. i'll install it since 0
[02:10] <joseluix> yes, in konsole
[02:11] <bobleny> Have you tried compize fusion icon? It was the only way I could get compiz to work on my computer....
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> joseluix: use the alt+f2 run dialog... if you close the terminal, you will lose your decoration
[02:12] <joseluix> bobleny if this is true, can you say me how to install compiz (in kde of course), like you ..
[02:12] <joseluix> ok
[02:12] <joseluix> I'll intall all since 0
[02:13] <Dr_willis__>  sudo apt-get install compiz-kde compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compizconfig-settings-manager emerald librsvg2-common compiz compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:13] <Dr_willis__> is what i normally do. :)
[02:15] <joseluix> Dr_willis__, thank you
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim, or he can use emerald --replace &
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[02:16] <joseluix> I've already install compiz-kde with synaptic
[02:16] <joseluix> but in this moment i dont have efects
[02:17] <joseluix> I guess that i have to type compiz in konsole
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: that will still kill compiz if you close the terminal
[02:17] <Dr_willis__> joseluix,  im just pasting this from that !compiz wiki page.
[02:17] <Dr_willis__> :)
[02:17] <bobleny> I think, for the most part, I followed this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=601310. I also had to clean up my system of all my previuse faild attempts to install compiz...
[02:17] <Dr_willis__> im also editing that page.. doing some cleanups.
[02:17] <Dr_willis__> joseluix,  check it out - if thers somthing thats not clear - make a suggestion
[02:17] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim, using exit instead of just closing the window fixes that :)
[02:18] <flipstar> wow there is a difference between exit and close ?
[02:18] <Dr_willis__> if by CLOSE you mean the close button.. YES>.
[02:18] <Dr_willis__> do NOT use the close button. :)
[02:18] <Dr_willis__> use exit.. its much safer.
[02:18] <joseluix> YES!!, i  typed compiz in konsole so i have compiz
[02:19] <joseluix> but i don t have a manager
[02:19]  * mneptok types "sense of self worth back" into a terminal
[02:19] <Daisuke_Ido> mneptok, some things get sent to /dev/null and are never recovered, sadly :P
[02:19] <mneptok> joseluix: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:20] <mneptok> Daisuke_Ido: my filesystem pre-dates journalling theory, too :-/
[02:20] <Daisuke_Ido> ouch
[02:20] <Daisuke_Ido> good thing it's not reiser though, you wouldn't live through it.
[02:21] <joseluix> installing manager , plugins extra...
[02:21] <mneptok> Daisuke_Ido: no body, no crime. ;)
[02:21] <Dr_willis__> compiz --replace , kde-window-decorator --replace
[02:21] <joseluix> it's workin with kde, without emerald...
[02:21] <joseluix> i've not installed emerald
[02:22] <Daisuke_Ido> mneptok, this is true
[02:22] <flipstar> where can i get an overview off all these bash commands? like & && ; > and so on ?
[02:22] <mneptok> Daisuke_Ido: actually, they prosecutor could probably catch Hans with that trick. "Oho! It seems there has been data loss!"  "WAIT! NO! HERE'S HER CORPSE! ... oh, oops."
[02:22] <Dr_willis__> !bash | flipstar
[02:22] <ubotu> flipstar: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[02:22] <bobleny> I don't know what gtk looks like, but I'm sure you could download a gtk theme for emerald....
[02:22] <Daisuke_Ido> mneptok, journaling was his greatest mistake >_<
[02:23] <Dr_willis__> the gtk thing for compiz - uses the normal gnome theme look.
[02:23] <Daisuke_Ido> too bad he didn't make backups.
[02:23] <joseluix> YES!!! i've installed all succeded
[02:24] <joseluix> Dr_willis, it's working without emerald
[02:24] <joseluix> and i have borders, its beautiful
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> completely off topic, i appear to be missing some modest mouse albums, because some of the songs on this sun kil moon lp don't sound at all familiar.  guess it's time to hit amazon :D
[02:25] <joseluix> i've not close the  konsole, if i close it what happen, i kill compiz i guess
[02:26] <flipstar> thanks Dr willis
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> mneptok: haha.....
[02:28] <joseluix> thak you Dr_willis, thank you nosrednaekim, thank you flipstar....
[02:31] <camilo> hey.. i need to install amsn but im newbie.. how do i do it?
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> !asm
[02:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> !info amsn
[02:32] <ubotu> amsn (source: amsn): An MSN messenger written in Tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.97RC1+dfsg-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 3371 kB, installed size 10956 kB
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> camilo: run the following command from a terminal "sudo apt-get install amsn"
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> or you can use adept_manager
[02:33] <Dr_willis__> Hmm.. anyone else notice that we basicially just read the 'wiki' pages TO people in here.. quite often..
[02:33] <Dr_willis__> :)
[02:34] <bobleny> You just now noticed that?
[02:34] <Dr_willis__> There we go.. Edited the !compiz wiki page a bit.  See what all ya think.
[02:34] <Dr_willis__> !compiz
[02:34] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[02:34] <Dr_willis__>  the part on 'how window decorators' work was a little vague
[02:35] <Alan_M> Dr_willis, thanks was actually about to ask the bot that myself :)
[02:35] <Dr_willis__> bobleny,  i only pasted that wiki page a dozen times to him. and gave some strong hints. :)
[02:35] <Dr_willis__> Alan_M,  Im editing it :)  if thers somthing vague or wrong . let me know..
[02:36] <Dr_willis__> im still a bit vague on how kde and gnome often rember if you had  one window decorator, or the other going after you log back in.
[02:36] <Dr_willis__> Must be rembering them in a session, or somthing.
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> yes, it does.
[02:37]  * Alan_M is used to GDE and ubuntu...Kubuntu is a totally new experience for me lol
[02:37] <Dr_willis__> so it adds another layer of things to break. :)
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> GDE?.....
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> oh........ GNOME :)
[02:37] <Alan_M> Gnome Desktop
[02:37] <Alan_M> :)
[02:39] <Odd-rationale> GDE = Good Desktop Enviroment
[02:39] <Odd-rationale> *Environment
[02:39] <flipstar> KDE = Koolest Desktop Ever ?
[02:39] <bobleny> Dr_willis__: You know, it is really weird how he didn't want to use emeraled....
[02:39] <camilo> another question...whats the difference between lilo and grub.. is there anything considerable?
[02:39] <Alan_M> K desktop environment flipstar :)
[02:40] <flipstar> oh..thats boring
[02:40] <Alan_M> heh, boring but looks sweet :)
[02:40]  * Alan_M loves the KDE vs GDE
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> camilo: grub is easier
[02:42] <Alan_M> lilo is a pain most of the time, GRUB can actually be configured to be more graphically pleasing..as I have completely configured GRUB and Kubuntu to be.
[02:42] <Dr_willis__> bobleny,  its really weird it took an hr to get it across that kde-window-decorator --replace   is not using emerald. :)
[02:42] <camilo> oh ok.. so i keep grub
[02:42]  * nosrednaekim bows to Alan_M's leetness
[02:42] <Dr_willis__> I cant recall ever seeing GNome refered to as 'GDE' :)
[02:42] <bobleny> Dr_willis__: Agreed.
[02:43] <Alan_M> !gde
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gde - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> !gnome
[02:43] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> taa da
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> bye everyone
[02:43] <Odd-rationale> cde, kde, gde, why not? :)
[02:43] <Alan_M> Gnome Desktop Environment...see where i got the letters from now?
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> c ya tomorrow
[02:43] <flipstar> byebye
[02:43] <Alan_M> c ya buddy :)
[02:44]  * Alan_M sees this room is a bit more laxed than the ubuntu room...love it.
[02:45] <Odd-rationale> Alan_M: There's just less ops...
[02:45]  * Alan_M used to get griped at every time i opened my trap whether i was helping or not or obeying rules or not :(
[02:46] <askjdf> Hello, I am having trouble running Kubuntu off of an install CD.  Can someone help me?
[02:46] <Alan_M> What kind of error messages (if any) are you receiving askjdf?
[02:47] <Alan_M> please use pastebin if the errors exceed 1 line of text.
[02:47] <Alan_M> !pastebin
[02:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:47] <askjdf> When I boot off the CD I get a menu to come up with a unch of options.  If I hit F1 through F6 it doesnt freeze but it I choose any off the real options it just freezes
[02:48] <Alan_M> Do you have the recommended ammount of ram needed to run kubuntu?
[02:48] <askjdf> Like if I select to run Kubuntu or Check Memory or any of the other options it just freezes the moment I select it
[02:48] <askjdf> Yes, I have 1GB of Ram
[02:48] <bobleny> Did you check the md5sum after you downloaded the image?
[02:48] <askjdf> I tried it on both my laptop and my desktop and I had the same problem
[02:48] <askjdf> yes I did
[02:50] <askjdf> I can hit Ctrl Alt Delet and it will reboot my computer once it freezes so I guess my computer is still a little bit responsive when I try to run Kubuntu off the CD
[02:51] <bobleny> Have you tried re-burning the image to another disk?
[02:51] <kumarphilly> hola..
[02:51] <askjdf> No I haven't.  Is the the next think I should try?
[02:51] <Alan_M> !es | kimarphilly
[02:51] <ubotu> kimarphilly: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:52] <askjdf> If I put my CD in my computer once windows is running the CD tries to auto run but it get stuck as well
[02:52] <bobleny> askjdf: Did you burn the correct version? ie. 32bit, 64bit, etc?
[02:52] <askjdf> I burned the version that the website says works for most computers
[02:52] <Alan_M> 64 bit would tell you you cant run it period if you put it in a 32 bit computers cd rom drive, ive done that before :)
[02:53] <Alan_M> ok, so 32 bit, hmmm
[02:53]  * Alan_M thinks its coffee time on this one :)
[02:53] <askjdf> I have the PC (INtel x86) desktop version
[02:53] <bobleny> "<askjdf> No I haven't.  Is the the next think I should try?" - Couldn't hurt....
[02:54] <askjdf> Haha, ok
[02:54] <Dr_willis__> redownload, reburn,
[02:54] <Dr_willis__> ive had odd issues in the past where a ubuntu cd wouldent install.. but a xubuntu cd did...
[02:54] <askjdf> Well I know my downloaded file is fine since I did that check thing
[02:54] <Dr_willis__> same machines..
[02:54] <askjdf> I will just try to burn it again
[02:55] <Dr_willis__> what would be cool would be a way to put an installer image on a usb thumb drive. that one could customize :)
[02:55] <Dr_willis__> so i could set up the defaults/extras i want! :0
[02:55] <Alan_M> Dr_willis_ im aware of a way to do this in Ubuntu :)
[02:55] <askjdf> It is just very strange that is freezes no matter what option I pick
[02:55] <askjdf> OK thanks all!
[02:56] <foibles> whats a good program for ripping a dvd movie to hd?
[02:56] <Alan_M> !rip
[02:56] <ubotu> To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[02:56] <Alan_M> hmmm....that was audio cd's nevermind
[02:56]  * Czessi-m is away: Gone away for now.
[02:56] <Dr_willis__> !dvdrip
[02:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvdrip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:56] <bobleny> Dr_willis__: You could always do a blank install of ubuntu, configure it, clean it, defragment it, and create your own image from it....
[02:57]  * Czessi-m is away: Gone away for now.
[02:57]  * Czessi-m is back.
[02:57] <Dr_willis__> bobleny,  i was wantingto be able to easially edit the files on the usb stick.  :) like update a config for the hostname, ip, other bits..  befor i stick it in the next machine im installingto.
[02:57] <Alan_M> ive created so many different derivative's of ubuntu's regular install cd its insane, if only i can figure out kubuntu well enough to do it i'd be happy :)
[02:57] <Dr_willis__> updating the packatges would also be nice.  save on apt-get updating the first time
[02:57] <foibles> for dvd though?
[02:58] <Dr_willis__> I got a stack of live cd's from other disrtos. :) some of them are very very very  nicer then ubuntus. :(
[02:58] <Dr_willis__> but  they have diffrent design goals.
[03:00] <bobleny> Dr_willis__: You know, I've always wanted to try Gentoo, but every time I've tried, I've faild.....
[03:00] <Dr_willis__> i used gentoo for a long time.. then it got to a point where.. it was 'whats the point'
[03:00] <Dr_willis__> :)
[03:00] <Alan_M> Dr_willis_, ubuntu has been described by a few members as a gateway Distribution lol
[03:01] <Dr_willis__> Im testing out Sidux right now.. it has some nice features compared to ubuntu, but ubuntu has it beat in some other ways
[03:01] <Alan_M> ubuntu's been around the block for a while
[03:01] <Dr_willis__> Ive not seen a disrto  YET thats as good as ubuntu/kubuntu is for setting up all these special keys on my laptop and media-keyboards
[03:01] <Dr_willis__> Im not sure HOW ubuntu manages to do it.
[03:01] <Alan_M> not near as long as it Debian, but a while
[03:02] <Dr_willis__> even on my G15 the volume and other keys work. :)
[03:02] <Dr_willis__> none are working on sidux at this time.  heh.
[03:02] <bobleny> foibles: Take a look here... http://linuxappfinder.com/taxonomy/term/16
[03:05] <bobleny> The only linux distro I've ever used in Kubuntu. I tryed the Uubuntu live cd but I didn't like the defualt look... Kubuntu ever since...
[03:06] <Dr_willis__> I always install both kubuntu and ubuntu. :)
[03:06] <Dr_willis__> and xubuntu, and....
[03:06] <Alan_M> kubuntu is a bit large, but i still like it none the less :)
[03:06] <bobleny> Why?
[03:07] <Darkrift2> hello
[03:07] <bobleny> Hi!
[03:08] <Dr_willis__> large? never noticed
[03:08] <Darkrift2> im wanting to get rid of vista and reinstall kubuntu. last time i installed it it took me 3 weeks with help from here to get my wifi working... im wondering if I should install the newest version and hope my wifi chipset is more supported or if id be safer trying the older version and seeing of there are better workarounds out now
[03:09] <Dr_willis__> Darkrift2,  next release is due out in  a few weeks...
[03:09] <bobleny> Personally, I like to stay away from the latest version so as to avoid the lates bugs....
[03:10] <Dr_willis__> so it depends on how badly you want to play with it.
[03:10] <Dr_willis__> You could check the beta forums for your specific card.
[03:10] <bobleny> Would you happen to know what wifi chipset you have?
[03:10] <Dr_willis__> or test out a live cd.
[03:10] <bobleny> Yeah, what Dr_Willis__ said...
[03:11] <Darkrift2> its a broadcomm
[03:12] <Darkrift2> i think 34xx or something liek that
[03:12] <Darkrift2> i remember most ppl go "ugh" when i say the version
[03:12] <Darkrift2> lol
[03:12] <Darkrift2> checking chipset now
[03:13] <bobleny> You should find out exactlly what version you have and check the forums and ndiswrapper for your card...
[03:13] <Darkrift2> Field	Value
[03:13] <Darkrift2> Hardware ID	PCI\VEN_14E4&DEV_4311&SUBSYS_1363103C&REV_01
[03:13] <Darkrift2> broadcom 4311 i believe
[03:13] <g0ku> hola
[03:14] <Alan_M> !es | g0ku
[03:14] <ubotu> g0ku: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:14] <Dr_willis__> there is a lot of new work  on wireless drivers and so forth - it may get to a point where it works easially.. someday :)
[03:14] <Alan_M> Dr_willis__:I wait to see THAT day :)
[03:15] <Dr_willis__> Alan_M,  i just run wires....
[03:15] <Dr_willis__> :)
[03:15] <Darkrift2> see, i dont mind a few hours of work
[03:15] <Alan_M> my mother wont let me run wires :)
[03:15] <bobleny> That is a long wait...
[03:15] <Darkrift2> but i cant live without internet for 3 weeks
[03:15] <Darkrift2> lol
[03:15] <g0ku> hola
[03:15] <g0ku> :b
[03:15] <Dr_willis__> Alan_M,  what she dont know...
[03:15] <g0ku> :B
[03:15] <Darkrift2> im a true nerd, ill end up in teh hospital without my internet :(
[03:15] <Darkrift2> withdrawal sypmtoms
[03:16] <Dr_willis__> I even have wired internet to  every room in the house.
[03:16] <flipstar> Darkrift2: just check out the livecd :)
[03:16] <Alan_M> Dr_willis__: it wont be hard for her to tell since im in a wheelchair and when i ask her hey mom can you string these across the roof for me?
[03:16] <Dr_willis__> including the.. err.. reading room...
[03:16] <Alan_M> lol
[03:16] <Dr_willis__> roof? :) Ductwork! thats the place for wires!
[03:16] <Darkrift2> lol
[03:17] <Dr_willis__> tie one end to the hampster.. put some food at the other end of the duct..
[03:17] <Darkrift2> so again, kubuntu 7x or 8x?
[03:17] <Alan_M> still the idea of having to ask her to do anything
[03:17] <Dr_willis__> Darkrift2,  go for it! what do you have to lose.
[03:17] <Alan_M> Darkrift2: 7 for now :)
[03:17] <Dr_willis__> you can install both if you wanted.
[03:17] <flipstar> Darkrift2: the beta for 8.04 just released
[03:17] <Alan_M> 8 is reasonably stable as far as I am concerned, but hey if your paranoid go to 7 :P
[03:17] <Dr_willis__> go back go 2!
[03:17] <Darkrift2> see, im normally not afraid of beta
[03:17] <Dr_willis__> Achey Amoeba
[03:18] <flipstar> yesterday there were only an alpha :P
[03:18] <Darkrift2> i used windows 98 me, 2k and 2003 server all about a year before they were released
[03:18] <Darkrift2> but im still semi new at linux, and not as easily able to get past bugs as i would be on windows
[03:18] <Darkrift2> i kinda want to just get the latest, but i dont know how bad it is
[03:18] <Alan_M> Darkrift2: when bugs come around, its not gonna give you the famous lovely page fault error as windows :)
[03:19] <Darkrift2> lol
[03:19] <Darkrift2> true
[03:19] <flipstar> Darkrift2: l i v e  c d
[03:19] <Darkrift2> im guessing something just wont work
[03:19] <Darkrift2> i know flipstar
[03:19] <Darkrift2> im trying to figure out which way to go with the LIVECD
[03:19]  * Alan_M was scared of commitment at first, but once i installed...i never got scared again.
[03:19] <Alan_M> just dual boot :)
[03:20] <Alan_M> when your comfortable, make the windows partition get smaller, until oops...it disappears.
[03:20] <Darkrift2> i know ill be happy, if/when my wifi works
[03:20] <bobleny> Yeah, it's fun to dual boot vista!
[03:20] <Darkrift2> i took the plunge 8 months ago with kubuntu
[03:20] <Nutzebahn> Hi.
[03:20] <Alan_M> i took the ubuntu plunge in june of 06
[03:20] <Darkrift2> and never used vista after, till hp service center killed my linux partition
[03:20] <Dr_willis__> One could always go buy a decently supported wirless card. :)
[03:20] <Alan_M> so...im a veteran ;)
[03:20] <Darkrift2> cant
[03:21] <Nutzebahn> I can't figure out how to install the Emerald theme manager in KDE, help?
[03:21] <Darkrift2> my warranty ended 4 weeks ago, and they killed my pcmcia slot but i didnt find out till 5 days after the warranty expired
[03:21] <Darkrift2> so they wont fix it
[03:21] <Darkrift2> i could do usb, but.....
[03:21] <Alan_M> THEY killed it?
[03:21] <Alan_M> i would demand a refund
[03:22] <Dr_willis__> How would you prove they killed it?
[03:22] <Darkrift2> exactly
[03:22] <Darkrift2> i sent it in because my wifi and pcmcia didnt work
[03:22] <Dr_willis__>  why would they even touch it...
[03:22] <Darkrift2> they replaced the mobo, hd, wifi pci card and the kb
[03:22] <Dr_willis__> well if they never fixed it.. you have an argument...
[03:22] <Darkrift2> when i got it back i assumed everything worked so i didnt test it
[03:23] <Alan_M> you basically had your pc overhauled then right?
[03:23] <Darkrift2> lol
[03:23] <Darkrift2> yeah
[03:23] <Darkrift2> it was in great condition though
[03:23] <Alan_M> if it aint broke dont fix it is my motto :P
[03:23] <Darkrift2> i still have the plastic protective sticker on the casing lol
[03:24] <Darkrift2> well, it was broke, wifi and pcmcia stopped workign one day
[03:24] <Darkrift2> i thought it was a driver issue because of my wifi hassle, so i tried vista and xp and found it they were dead
[03:24] <simula> i am trying to upgrade my amarok version, but i'm still too green to figure it out :/  this link is telling me to add a repository, but i'm not sure what address they want me to add :/
[03:24] <simula> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu
[03:24] <Darkrift2> sent it in and when they replaced the hd, they lost my kubuntu parition (i didnt have an external drive to backup with)
[03:25] <Alan_M> i have issues where my wireless card just suddenly drops connection...any ideas ipw3945 with intel pro/wireless 3945 ABG card
[03:25] <Darkrift2> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/release/dvd/kubuntu-7.10-dvd-i386.iso.torrent <--- will this work as a livecd also?
[03:25] <Darkrift2> someone told me all *buntu discs are live also, but i dont think thats true
[03:25] <flipstar> dvd is both, yes
[03:25] <Alan_M> not ALL
[03:25] <Dr_willis__> the dvd i  think are also desktop cd's
[03:25] <Alan_M> alternative installs are NOT
[03:25] <flipstar> not all disc but all dvds
[03:25] <simula> i'm gutsy kubuntu
[03:25] <Dr_willis__> the alterantive install cd's are bootable and you can get a shell.. and rescue things.. but they do not have a live desktop. :)
[03:26] <flipstar> dvds have also an alternate installer i think
[03:26] <Darkrift2> i dont really need x, just wanna see if i can get wifi working
[03:27] <Darkrift2> the only thing id need x for is browsing for drivers, but i can do that on another computer or my handheld
[03:27] <Kubuntiac> Anyone know how to upgrade from Hardy Alpha 6 to Beta 1?
[03:27] <flipstar> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[03:27] <Dr_willis__> Kubuntiac,  the standard apt-get update, apt-get upgrade method
[03:27] <Kubuntiac> k thx Wasn't sure if it was a dist-upgrade kind of thing
[03:28] <Dr_willis__> you could do a dist-upgrade also
[03:28] <Nutzebahn> I can't figure out how to install the Emerald theme manager in KDE, help?
[03:29] <Kubuntiac> Dist-upgrade fails saying that there's another dpkg etc running (which is just the one that opened the upgrade wizzard). Update/upgrade I can handle though :)
[03:29] <Dr_willis__> Nutzebahn,  read the following wiki page yet?
[03:29] <Dr_willis__> !compiz | Nutzebahn
[03:29] <ubotu> Nutzebahn: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:29] <Dr_willis__> if the bot wakes up. :)
[03:30] <Dr_willis__> Im not about to read the wiki line by line to someone else tonight.. :P
[03:30] <Nutzebahn> !emerald
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <jtmoney> hey guys, is kubuntu 8.04 beta the last version before the official version, or will there be release candidates, etc.?
[03:41] <Kubuntiac> I think the deal usually is that it's a final check for showstopper bugs, and unless the find one (or more) it's final. That might be me getting it mixed up with Drupals release philosophy though...
[03:41] <jtmoney> Kubuntiac: okay, thank you
[03:41] <Alan_M> kubuntiac, thats right :)
[03:41] <Kubuntiac> *phew!*
[03:41] <Kubuntiac> ;)
[03:41] <Alan_M> unless theres showstoppers...it goes through :)
[03:42] <jtmoney> alright, then i'll give it a go
[03:42] <Alan_M> there are 4 alpha releases (usually) before we go into our final release. Why they call them ALL alpha....i have no clue.
[03:43] <Kubuntiac> Hey is anyone else having Gimp behave strange since the (A6 KDE4->B1 KDE4) upgrade... like none of the tools do anything?
[03:46] <Alan_M> hi ubuntu, I see your using....nevermind.
[03:46] <Alan_M> lost another one to ditech (joke)
[03:49] <Darkrift2> lol
[03:49] <Darkrift2> the amount of seeds on the kubuntu dvd is rediculous
[03:49] <Darkrift2> 130 :S
[03:49] <Darkrift2> unless about half of those are 10mb ill be here all week
[03:49] <Darkrift2> i need to find an http mirror, i can get 2000k off a good one
[03:54] <fuhreal_> Anyone know the name of the application to virually mount nfs?
[03:54] <fuhreal_> *virtually
[03:55] <fuhreal_> I started configuring it but now i can't remember what its called and i forgot to bookmark the link
[03:55] <fuhreal_> my bad... found it ... Fusesmb
[03:55] <maduser> there is a program that mounts ntfs
[03:59] <fuhreal_> maduser: ?
[03:59] <maduser> what?
[04:01] <Darkrift2> i think he was confused
[04:01] <Darkrift2> he thought you meant ntfs, not nfs
[04:01] <fuhreal_> Anyone know how I can add my workgroup name to my system?
[04:01] <fuhreal_> Darkrift2: ahh i c
[04:06] <Kubuntiac> Wierd. Gimp problem is because Kubuntu thinks my home folder is /root/?!!?
[04:11] <Kubuntiac> @fuhreal Check this, but I think it might be System Settings->Network Settings ->Service Discovery and then put it in Domains. My understanding is Domains on Linux == Workgroup on Windows
[04:12] <fuhreal_> When mounting a network file system, i know using the computer name you would go //name/share /mountpoint .. what if u wanted to use ip ... would it be /i.p.x.x/share or still double /
[04:12] <ProbeDot> I was having some issues with a USB drive with permissions on the content located on it not quite letting me delete it,kept saying it was a Read Only FileSystem ?
[04:13] <Kubuntiac> probedot: can you sudo chmod 777 it?
[04:13] <ProbeDot> Kubuntiac sory. got it. its ntfs
[04:13] <Kubuntiac> ahh
[04:15] <ProbeDot> Kubuntiac do you come one dalnet?
[04:15] <fuhreal_> If I wanted to make something like a dos batch file, to run my mount commands, what kind of file would it need to be?  Would I just make a text file and then chmod it to 777 to make it executable?
[04:16] <Dragnslcr> I wouldn't make it 777
[04:16] <Dragnslcr> But yes, bash scripts are just plain text files with #!/bin/bash as the first line
[04:17] <fuhreal_> Dragnslcr: wikid!!!! I can use my dos 6.1 brain again!!! WOOOO
[04:17] <fuhreal_> :P
[04:17] <fuhreal_> sorry... i need sleep
[04:18] <fuhreal_> :\
[04:18] <Dragnslcr> Yes, yes you do
[04:20] <Dr_willis__> fuhreal_,  normally one makes bash shell scripts to do tasks like thgat. make a text file chmod +x textfile
[04:20] <Dr_willis__> fuhreal_,  check out the 'advanced bash scripting guide'
[04:21] <fuhreal_> Dr_willis__: I just ordered a unix/linux programming bood from adison wels ... $25 ... but yah i'll chek out that guide too
[04:21] <fuhreal_> Sik of networking, need to learn some coding .... figured i'd start small ..
[04:21] <Dr_willis__> Theres 1000s of sites/books online. :)
[04:22] <Dr_willis__> The Oreailly Bash books are a must get - some day. :)
[04:22] <fuhreal_> Dr_willis__: whats the +X for ?
[04:22] <fuhreal_> err.. +x
[04:22] <Dr_willis__> bash basics.. You knew chmod 777  but dont know what +x does? :)
[04:23] <Dr_willis__> x = executable
[04:23] <fuhreal_> Dr_willis__: Going to pensilvania in the morn... planning on getting that sony ebook reader to get around to the tons of pdf's
[04:23] <Dr_willis__> which is 700
[04:23] <fuhreal_> nope .....
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis, isn't the + a recent thing?
[04:23] <Dr_willis__> recent?  10 yr old recent?
[04:23] <Dr_willis__> or more...
[04:23]  * Daisuke_Ido shrugs
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> guess not
[04:23] <Dr_willis__> man chmod
[04:23] <Dr_willis__> :)
[04:24] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[04:24] <xjjk> anyone else taking the 8.04 beta plunge?
[04:24] <Daisuke_Ido> xjjk, #ubuntu+1
[04:24] <fuhreal_> ok... so the file must start with #!/bin/bash
[04:24] <fuhreal_> ?
[04:24] <Dr_willis__> Im taking this time to test out sidux, if i dont like it.. i will then reinstall the next kubuntu release when its done.
[04:24] <xjjk> Daisuke_Ido: well, for Kubuntu..
[04:25] <Dr_willis__> fuhreal_,  'must' not really.. but its best to do so
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> xjjk, yeah, #ubuntu+1
[04:25] <fuhreal_> Dr_willis__: I realize this isn't a "how to bash script channel" but one more question?  Doesn't the # mean ignore the line?
[04:26] <Dr_willis__> fuhreal_,  look at the guides/basics.. for MOST scripts the first line defines what runs the script
[04:26] <Dr_willis__> #!/bin/perl for a perl script
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> fuhreal_, except in the first line where the #! def...  yeah
[04:26] <Dr_willis__> #!/bin/awn for awk
[04:26] <Dr_willis__> #!/bin/basic for basic.. :)
[04:26] <fuhreal_> aahh ok
[04:26] <some_dude> hey can anyone help me with my mplayer ?
[04:27] <Dr_willis__> some_dude, depends on the problem
[04:28] <jcneto> some_dude what is your problem?
[04:28] <some_dude> http://europe.real.com/smil/bbc_world_news_us.smil?r=plus starts, caches and says stopped
[04:28] <jcneto> do you use xine or gstreamer?
[04:28] <fuhreal_> ty guys
[04:28] <some_dude> xine I think
[04:29] <some_dude> it's running inside the browser so I don't have a lot of access to it
[04:30] <fuhreal_> how do you unmount an smbfs?
[04:31] <jcneto> some_dude, just a minute
[04:32] <fuhreal_> found it ... sudo umount mountname
[04:33] <Dr_willis__> therea another way also.
[04:34] <Dr_willis__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb
[04:34] <Dr_willis__> fusermount -u MOUNTPOINT
[04:34] <Dr_willis__> no sudo needed
[04:35] <jcneto> some_dude, are you using Konqueror?
[04:35] <some_dude> dolphine
[04:35] <some_dude> sorry firefox
[04:36] <fuhreal_> Dr_willis__: fusesmb isn't very nice for me.... the config is confusing me
[04:36] <Dr_willis__> It is? a 3 line config file?
[04:36] <fuhreal_> So I made a text file called mounthtpc ... i ran chmod +x mounthtpc but its still not executable...
[04:36] <Dr_willis__> fuhreal_,  and how are you running it?
[04:37] <fuhreal_> Dr_willis__: no .... but mounting with mount.smbfs is working well for me if i can get this text file to work like a batch file :)
[04:37] <Dr_willis__> ./ifthecommandinthelocaldir
[04:37] <Dr_willis__> fuhreal_,  i like browsing my whole network. :)
[04:37] <Dr_willis__> sshfs is handy also.
[04:38] <Dr_willis__> untill the search tools start indexing the whole lan.
[04:38] <Dr_willis__> :)
[04:38] <fuhreal_> Dr_willis__: oh i c ....
[04:38] <hexon> I am using ubuntu with konversation. How do I open up URL links?
[04:39] <Dr_willis__> hexon,  just clicking on them dont work?
[04:39] <Dr_willis__> http://www.google.com
[04:39] <hexon> no
[04:39] <hexon> it brings up a loading bar that disappears
[04:40] <fuhreal_> Dr_willis__: well i can't seem to get my workgroup set on this ubuntu box. .... so i can't browse anything :| but i only have my terabyte of media i wanna access on my vista box ... while i'm outside smoking and using this thing ...
[04:40] <Dr_willis__> weird
[04:40] <Dr_willis__> http://www.google.com
[04:40] <hexon> actually, that worked...but think URLs at the top of the page will not load
[04:40] <Dr_willis__> a single click on the url works...
[04:40] <jcneto> some_dude, try to fix it with the mozzila-plugin-vlc
[04:40] <Dr_willis__> the ones in the topic bar?  hmm.. they work here also.
[04:41] <hexon> right, the topic bar links don't work, just the google one you put up
[04:41] <hexon> I'm not using KDE, maybe that's whats going on
[04:41] <hexon> #ubuntu sent me here
[04:42] <The_willis> They do work differently seems.. the top one pops up a download dialog, then opens up the briowser
[04:42] <The_willis> the in channel one just opens the browser
[04:42] <hexon> i just get the download dialog, but no browser
[04:42] <some_dude> I've already got the vlc installed
[04:42] <Dr_willis__> could be one is trying to load in konqueror
[04:42] <Jucato> hexon: try setting the browser that Konversation will use in Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> General -> Use custom web browser
[04:43] <hexon> it is set as this firefox '%u'
[04:43] <fuhreal_> G'nite all !!!!
[04:43] <jcneto> some_dude, lets try another solution!
[04:44] <Jucato> hexon: is the [  ] Use custom web browser checked?
[04:44] <hexon> wonderful....that worked
[04:44] <some_dude> jcneto: I'm willing to give it a go
[04:44] <Jucato> good
[04:44] <hexon> Amazering. You all rock! Thanks
[04:44] <fuhreal_> ty for your help
[04:44] <hexon> I tried Xfire just because i couldn't open up links, but I hated it
[04:44] <hexon> now I don't have a reason to switch
[04:45] <Dr_willis__> xfire? Hmm
[04:45] <Dr_willis__> !info xfire
[04:45] <ubotu> Package xfire does not exist in gutsy
[04:45] <hexon> opps...xChat
[04:45] <hexon> sorry
[04:45] <some_dude> kaffine says it can't load cook.so
[04:45] <Dr_willis__> xchat opens up links fine for me also..
[04:46] <jcneto> i have this problem to...
[04:46] <some_dude> but I clearly do have a cook.so in /usr/lib/win32 and a link in /usr/lib/codacs
[04:46] <Dr_willis__> xchat used to have so many more options.. with each release it gets fewer and fewer.. :( it seems
[04:46] <hexon> xChat would open up links, but I didn't like the layout
[04:46] <hexon> exactly, it wasn't custumizable enough for me
[04:46] <Dr_willis__> I set the tabs at the bottom, and nick list on the right...  lookd about the same to konversation to me..
[04:46] <some_dude> does the realplayer run under wine ?
[04:47] <some_dude> as sick as the sounds
[04:47] <Dr_willis__> thers a lot of xchat settings that are not setable from the gui. ya gotta tweak the configs, or use other /commands
[04:47] <jcneto> i see all my rmvb in Kaffeine
[04:47] <some_dude> rmvb ?
[04:47] <hexon> gross! no thanks
[04:48] <jcneto> or all other thing comes form Real Media
[04:48] <abattoir> some_dude: you can try real player for linux
[04:48] <hexon> I'm just now getting used to ubuntu. Don't make me mess with .config files more than I have to
[04:48] <abattoir> some_dude: or you can try copying the cook.so from the RealPlayer for linux package into /usr/lib/win32
[04:48] <Dr_willis__> xchat has a long history. ages ago the defaults were  much more complex. but now they have streamlined all the menus and so forth. Most are configurable however.
[04:49] <jcneto> and you have to set in the options of xine the location of the plugins
[04:49] <Dragnslcr> I'm gonna try giving up XChat when I switch over to KDE4
[04:49] <hexon> I like thinks that I can just mess with in drop down boxes and check boxes. I get too lazy for messing with text
[04:49] <Arwen> Konversation sucks >_>
[04:49] <Dr_willis__> Ive been known to recompile xchat 2.4 :) to get BACK some of the functions it used to have.
[04:50] <Arwen> irssi all the way
[04:50] <Dragnslcr> I only use it because Konversation still doesn't support event-based scripts, even though I only have one script that isn't very important
[04:50] <hexon> i looked at irssi, but isn't it all text based?
[04:50] <Arwen> yes
[04:50] <Dr_willis__> irssi is text based. yes.
[04:50] <amigo> Hi ppl! How to find not fully removed (not purged) packages?
[04:50] <Daisuke_Ido> giving up xchat?
[04:51] <Dragnslcr> I'm still surprised that nobody has added event scripting to Konversation. I can't imagine it would be very difficult to add
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> i just switched TO xchat -_-
[04:51] <some_dude> yea, it's not playing at rmvb
[04:51] <hexon> well thanks for your help Dr_willis__
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr, and that's why i switched.
[04:51] <Dragnslcr> That's all that's keeping me on it
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> same
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> i actually went to kvirc, but it's a horribly bloated and twisted piece of bovine excrement
[04:52] <Dragnslcr> Maybe if I get ambitious one day I'll look into hacking at the Konversation source
[04:52] <arcticpenguin380> is kde more heavy than gnome?
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> arcticpenguin380, realistically, they're about the same
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> i notice no difference in performance on a moderately powered machine when using either one
[04:53] <nick_> how do i create icone shorcut on my desktop
[04:53] <jcneto> on the Kaffeine configuration have a Xine Engine Options, ther in the Decoder options you have the path to the codecs, check this
[04:53] <Dr_willis__> nick_,  right click -> create new --> pick One.
[04:53] <nick_> ok thanks
[04:53] <Dr_willis__> nick_,   or drag/drop from the menus to the desktop
[04:54] <arcticpenguin380> I find my ram usage less when using KDE.
[04:54] <nick_> like my hardrive ?
[04:54] <nick_> or home
[04:54] <arcticpenguin380> But kde takes more hdd space than gnome
[04:54] <Dr_willis__> I got a HOME icon in my panel. :)
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> do you run kde apps when you're using gnome?
[04:54] <nick_> lollll
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> like...  amarok or konversation or anything, really
[04:55] <arcticpenguin380> no I dont use gnome anymore
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> since?
[04:55] <arcticpenguin380> couple days ago
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, WHEN YOU DID...
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> :P
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> did you run kde apps when you were using gnome before?
[04:56] <nick_> Dr_willis__: how do i put a shoircut for stock support
[04:57] <nick_> because when i do ctl+maj i only see a white page
[04:59] <Dr_willis__> nick_,  that made no sence to me whatso ever.
[04:59] <some_dude> how do I open a .deb file ? I don't want to install it, only "borrow" cook.so
[04:59] <nick_> how you do then ?
[04:59] <Dr_willis__> !find libmp3lame.so
[04:59] <ubotu> No packages matching 'libmp3lame.so' could be found
[04:59] <nick_> to take icone to destop
[05:00] <nick_> like garbidge
[05:00] <nick_> how i take garbidge to desktop lol
[05:00] <abattoir> some_dude: you can right click on it and open it with ark
[05:01] <abattoir> some_dude: or use 'dpkg-deb --extract file.deb folder'
[05:01] <Dr_willis__> nick_,  i have a 'trashcan' icon on the panel also.. much easier for it to be there.
[05:02] <nick_> ok how
[05:02] <Dr_willis__> right click on the panel, add applets..
[05:02] <Dr_willis__> its there by default I thought.
[05:03] <nick_> ok
[05:03] <nick_> kde
[05:03] <Dr_willis__> If you want a icon on the desktop. add shortcut to url, and use the  URL=trash:/
[05:03] <nick_> ok
[05:04] <jcneto> see you later people!!
[05:18] <nick77>  how do i force strigi to index my entire hd?
[05:28] <Erickj92> what is my data install directory?
[05:28] <Dr_willis__> Erickj92,  for what program?
[05:28] <Erickj92> not really for a program
[05:28] <Dr_willis__> then the question made no sence whatso ever. :)
[05:28] <Erickj92> its a thing with programming, and it is set to install a file to my data dirrectory
[05:29] <Dr_willis__> 'with programming' what exactly?
[05:29] <Erickj92> or, let me reword, *where* is it
[05:29] <Erickj92> its a tutorial
[05:29] <Darkrift2> is it an executable?
[05:29] <Erickj92> no
[05:30] <Darkrift2> then its probably somewhere in your home folder
[05:30] <Dr_willis__> its whever the program says it is.. theres no answer to your question.
[05:30] <Erickj92> this is where it was set to intstall: $(DATA_INSTALL_DIR/tutorial3
[05:30] <Dr_willis__> Thats a variable you can set to whever you want
[05:31] <Erickj92> so it could be home if i wanted?
[05:31] <Dr_willis__> $(foo) = a variable
[05:31] <Dr_willis__> Thats a variable you can set to whever you want
[05:31] <Darkrift2> ahh
[05:31] <Erickj92> how do i set it?
[05:31] <Dr_willis__> export command.
[05:31] <Erickj92> uhh?
[05:31] <Dr_willis__> export DATA_INSTALL=~/MySpecialdata
[05:31] <Darkrift2> then your $(data_install_dir) (with caps) is set somewhere in that script
[05:31] <Dr_willis__> Bash Fundamentals. :)
[05:32] <Erickj92> can i just set it manually in there?
[05:32] <Dr_willis__> export FOO=100
[05:32] <Darkrift2> search that script for 'DATA_INSTALL_DIR'
[05:32] <Erickj92> like /root/ect?
[05:32] <Dr_willis__> echo $(FOO)
[05:32] <Dr_willis__> You can most likely set it befor you run the script, OR its set somewhere inside the script at a earlier place.
[05:32] <Dr_willis__> a line hear the top may say
[05:32] <Erickj92> well i found the other one
[05:33] <Dr_willis__> DATA_INSTALL_DIR='/home/somthing'
[05:33] <Erickj92> which was: install(TARGETS tutorial3 DESTINATION ${BIN_INSTALL_DIR})
[05:33] <Erickj92> and taht ended up in my /home/erick/bin folder
[05:35] <Dr_willis__> bin would be a good place to install bins to
[05:53] <synteth> hey, anybody knows how to install realplayer.bin on kubuntu
[05:53] <synteth> hey, anybody knows how to install realplayer.bin on kubuntu?
[05:54] <abattoir> synteth: try sh ./realplayer.bin
[05:54] <synteth> RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[05:54] <synteth> this is what i get
[05:55] <abattoir> synteth: bash ./realplayer.bin
[05:55] <abattoir> ?
[05:55] <synteth> same
[05:56] <Randuni> hi all
[05:56] <synteth> RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: cannot execute binary file
[05:56] <Jucato> !realplayer
[05:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:58] <Randuni> I have a Tecra S4 laptop, when I press on the audio up..the volume goes max to 11% and minimum is zero.
[05:59] <Randuni> I use the little knob on the front of the laptop
[06:00] <Jucato> Randuni: I think that's a known bug. not sure if updating will fix it
[06:00] <Jucato> (but with KMilo)
[06:00] <Randuni> oh?..hmm...
[06:01] <Randuni> you mean it's a known problem on the Toshiba Tecra S4 laptop?
[06:01] <DreadKnight> anyone  with a wacom using hardy?
[06:02] <Randuni> kmilo seems to be for ibm laptops
[06:08] <Randuni> hi all, I have a toshiba tecra s4, I have kubuntu on it, while in kde when I flip the volume switch up..the sound says volume: 11% and it won't go any  higher than that
[06:08] <Randuni> I cannot actually here anything coming from the internal speakers, but headphones do work
[06:08] <Erickj92> Randuni, could there be a volume limit set?
[06:08] <Randuni> how so erick?
[06:09] <Randuni> how do I check
[06:09] <Erickj92> dunno?
[06:09] <Randuni> not sure
[06:09] <Randuni> k
[06:09] <Erickj92> you could go to the... voluem control
[06:09] <Erickj92> on sec ill look
[06:09] <Randuni> oh..there
[06:09] <Erickj92> are you using KDE3,5?
[06:09] <Randuni> it is fine there
[06:09] <Randuni> yes
[06:09] <Erickj92> oh... hmm
[06:09] <Erickj92> well im stumped
[06:09] <Erickj92> srry
[06:09] <Jucato> Randuni: when you flip the volume switch, a sign in the middle of the screen shows up?
[06:09] <Randuni> yes jucato
[06:09] <Randuni> it does..
[06:09] <Jucato> Randuni: that's KMilo :)
[06:10] <Jucato> (and yes, it's originally for Thinkpads...)
[06:10] <Randuni> oh?..but it works on toshiba?
[06:10] <Jucato> is your system up to date?
[06:10] <Randuni> I believe so
[06:10] <Jucato> Randuni: well apparently it works on your laptop :P
[06:10] <Randuni> cool
[06:10] <Randuni> okay..now I know where to start digging for answers
[06:10] <Kubuntiac> If you type alsamixer in the konsole , you should be able to use the arrow keys to adjust volume bars in the terminal. Can you raise Master/PCM/Front?
[06:11] <Jucato> Randuni: you can search in bugs.launchpad.net
[06:11]  * Jucato is pretty sure that has been reported before
[06:11] <Randuni> I don't have the laptop infront of me
[06:11] <Kubuntiac> >:$ D'oh!
[06:11] <Randuni> but I will try as soon as I get it
[06:11] <Kubuntiac> :)
[06:15] <DOOM_NX> "sudo reboot" is the same as restart?
[06:17] <Randuni> I'm outtie..thanks all
[06:18] <DreadKnight> DOOM_NX: guess so
[06:18] <DOOM_NX> hmm thanks :)
[06:30] <DarkriftX> anyone know the default root password for the livecd?
[06:30] <Jucato> there isn't any
[06:30] <DarkriftX> oh, nice
[06:31] <DarkriftX> anyone know the package name for ndiswrapper?
[06:31] <DarkriftX> apt-get said not found
[06:31] <Jucato> root account is disabled. uses sudo. username: ubuntu
[06:31] <Jucato> !ndiswrapper
[06:31] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:31] <DarkriftX> crap
[06:31] <DarkriftX> i dont have browsing ability right now
[06:31] <DarkriftX> is it not in the feeds?
[06:32] <DarkriftX> oh wait
[06:32] <Jucato> not sure.
[06:32] <DarkriftX> no internet on the linux box
[06:32] <DarkriftX> damn
[06:32] <DarkriftX> this is gonna suck
[06:46] <krevitz_> hello?
[06:47] <krevitz_> its somebody home!!?
[06:49] <krevitz_> hellooo!!?
[06:49] <krevitz_> holaaa!!
[06:49] <krevitz_> hiii there!!
[06:49] <Jucato> hm?
[06:49] <krevitz_> i need a lil help
[06:49] <krevitz_> = (
[06:50] <Jucato> !ask | krevitz_
[06:50] <ubotu> krevitz_: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[06:50] <krevitz_> i need help with wine and filetopia
[06:51] <krevitz_> im using kubuntu  D:
[06:51] <Jucato> Wine questions would be best asked in #winehq though
[06:51] <Kr|ptiX> i was wondering if it was possible to use a bluetooth headset on my laptop i got a dell xps 1210 with built in bluetooth so i think its possible
[06:51] <jussi01> !bluetooth
[06:51] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[06:51] <krevitz_> thanks jucato :)
[06:52] <jussi01> morning Jucato
[06:52] <Jucato> moin jussi01
[07:03] <krevitz_> how i can install a Nvidia GeForce Fx 5500 video card slot pci    ??
[07:09] <chinamann> looking for help to configure ssh
[07:10] <chinamann> i copied key into /home/.ssh/
[07:10] <Cain_> where do i change the color of the kicker?
[07:10] <chinamann> is this ok?
[07:10] <krevitz_> how i can install a Nvidia GeForce Fx 5500 video card/slot pci
[07:11] <Jucato> !nvidia | krevitz_
[07:11] <ubotu> krevitz_: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:11] <chinamann> anyone able to help?
[07:11] <Cain_> plug it in, and download the correct drivers then install them?
[07:13] <krevitz_> i plug it, but linux crash when is in the reaload screen
[07:13] <chinamann> anyone able to help?
[07:15] <jussi01> chinamann: what are you trying to do exactly?
[07:15] <chinamann> hi jussi, trying to log into my v-server.
[07:16] <chinamann> i made keypair..
[07:16] <chinamann> copied it into .ssh in my home folde ron the server.
[07:16] <chinamann> added key to authorized_keys...
[07:17] <chinamann> dont know what else?
[07:17] <jussio1> then you should be able to do: ssh user@host
[07:17] <chinamann> dont work.
[07:18] <chinamann> still need passwort of root
[07:18] <chinamann> jussi. where do i need to check?
[07:18] <chinamann> <<< is newbie
[07:19] <krevitz_> me too D:
[07:19] <chinamann> where must the /.ssh folder be?
[07:20] <chinamann> is it in home ok?
[07:20] <jussio1> in $home
[07:20] <jussio1> !ssh
[07:20] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[07:28] <chinamann> no idea what i did wrong.
[07:29] <jussio1> chinamann: sorted now?
[07:30] <chinamann> jussi, sorry i checked the helpfile, but still dont work
[07:30] <jussio1> chinamann: me either
[07:30] <navetz> I am trying to turn my comp into a server. How do I find the DNS so my website points to the correct address.
[07:31] <chinamann> i just edited the config file and just rebooting server
[07:31] <chinamann> still habe to login manualy.
[07:33] <jussio1> navetz: ifconfig will give the machines ip locally
[07:34] <navetz> jussio1: thx
[07:45] <kaboom> Why is the beautiful background image gone in Hardy beta? :-(
[07:49] <chinamann> hi again...
[07:49] <chinamann> rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(977) [sender=2.6.9]
[07:50] <chinamann> anybody who can help me on this?
[07:52] <chinamann> it is quite a long way to get it done in linux...
[07:53] <azmin> woohoo
[07:53] <chinamann> rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(977) [sender=2.6.9]
[07:54] <chinamann> black magic to me... anyone who can help me?
[08:08] <dbglt> is there a way to upgrade to hardy beta from the alpha?
[08:16] <Dr_willis__> dbglt,  just do your normal updates
[08:26] <matt__> When I select the link to download the debian installer version of sype it dosent install.
[08:30] <Dr_willis_> !skype
[08:30] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[08:30] <Dr_willis_> I though there was a repo with skype in it.
[08:31] <annma> hi people
[08:31] <annma> how does one use "su" in kubuntu please?
[08:31] <annma> su -c 'make install' for ex
[08:32] <neverendingo> sudo su ...
[08:32] <annma> it's not for me, i don't run KUbuntu
[08:32] <annma> but I am helping someone
[08:32] <annma> thanks neverendingo
[08:32] <neverendingo> np
[08:32] <akhil_> hi
[08:33] <akhil_> kde applications are crashing so many times
[08:33] <annma> what kde applications? what kde version?
[08:33] <Dr_willis_> sudo make install     - is what i normally do.
[08:40] <neverendingo> Dr_willis_: depends on what you want to do. su gives an other environment, for example sudo env | grep PATH and sudo su -c env | grep PATH
[08:42] <Dr_willis_> most install docs i see give the './configure, make, sudo make install' song and dance :)
[08:43] <neverendingo> right, same for me
[08:43] <akhil__> kde applications crashing frequently,,any help?
[08:44] <annma> akhil__: I asked you what kde version and what kde apps
[08:44] <akhil__> 3.5.8
[08:44] <akhil__> kde versions
[08:44] <akhil__> some times adept crashes
[08:44] <akhil__> sometimes kaffeine also
[08:44] <annma> so everything crashes
[08:45] <akhil__> yep..even system crashing often
[08:45] <matt__> I've had that problem.
[08:45] <annma> that's bad then
[08:46] <akhil__> i dont have a very poor system also
[08:46] <akhil__> dell inspiron 1520, 2.2 ghz processor core duo + 2gb ram
[08:47] <akhil__> is it because i initially had ubuntu and then added kde later
[08:47] <akhil__> ubuntu doesn't crash at all
[08:47] <Dr_willis_> we all know ubuntu is perfect. :)
[08:47] <akhil__> yep
[08:47] <Dr_willis_> I have had no issues with a mixed kde+gnome system
[08:47] <Dr_willis_> and i use them all the time
[08:50] <akhil__> should i switch to a lightweight desktop like xfce?
[08:52] <annma_> akhil_: so adept changed when you added kde from ubuntu?
[08:53] <annma_> you said ubuntu was fine then you added kde and everything crashes even adept
[08:53] <annma_> seems a bit weird to me
[08:54] <annma> then I got disconnected and did not see the rest of it
[09:12] <gtmc> what is the best ircd used in kubuntu?
[09:12] <llutz> !best
[09:12] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, join #ubuntu-bots and ask there.
[09:13] <gtmc> and is there any irc-server can support ldap Auth?
[09:15] <gtmc> the most popular?
[09:17] <darkman> hi
[09:17] <gtmc> hi
[09:18] <darkman> anyone got UDF 2.5 working how it should?
[09:18] <darkman> if yes i got a few questions
[09:20] <darkman> can't mount Blu-Ray discs...
[09:22] <darkman> anyone?
[09:22] <darkman> got the following error ->
[09:22] <darkman> mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[09:22] <darkman> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0,
[09:22] <darkman>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[09:22] <darkman>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[09:22] <darkman>        dmesg | tail  or so
[09:22] <darkman> dmesg | tail shows ->
[09:23] <darkman> [30130.305346] attempt to access beyond end of device
[09:23] <darkman> [30130.305349] sr0: rw=0, want=65624148, limit=48088832
[09:23] <darkman> [30130.306292] UDF-fs: Partition marked readonly; forcing readonly mount
[09:23] <darkman> [30130.306415] udf: udf_read_inode(ino 288) failed !bh
[09:23] <darkman> [30130.306421] UDF-fs warning (device sr0): udf_load_metadata_file_entries: metadata inode efe not found, will try mirror inode.
[09:23] <darkman> [30130.306674] attempt to access beyond end of device
[09:23] <darkman> [30130.306677] sr0: rw=0, want=48108800, limit=48088832
[09:23] <darkman> [30130.306741] udf: udf_read_inode(ino 12027199) failed !bh
[09:23] <darkman> [30130.306746] UDF-fs error (device sr0): udf_load_metadata_file_entries: mirror inode efe not found and metadata inode is missing too, exiting...
[09:23] <darkman> [30130.306749] UDF-fs: error loading MetaData partition map 1
[09:23] <darkman> any idea on this one?
[09:25] <emilsedgh> !paste | darkman
[09:25] <ubotu> darkman: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:26] <darkman> sry
[09:26] <darkman> but anyway....anyone got it working?
[09:30] <darkman> ...
[09:34] <darkman> damn
[09:37] <Dr_willis_> Ive never even seen a blueray drive yet. :)
[09:44] <darkman> i've an LG GGW-H20L -> reads HD-DVD & Blu-RAy discs...burns blu-ray
[09:50] <kryptel> giorno
[09:51] <icewaterman> ok, i am currently upgrading to hardy, whish me luck :)
[09:52] <kryptel> nessuno??
[09:53] <kryptel> oltre il bot?
[09:53] <Angelus> what do you kryptel?
[09:53] <kryptel> sarve
[09:53] <Angelus> for italian channel join #ubuntu-it
[09:54] <kryptel> ho bisogno di creare una specie di web casalingo per trasferire  i file da portatile ad un fisso
[09:54] <kryptel> e viceversa
[09:55] <kryptel> non sapete qualche nome oltre
[09:55] <Angelus> "sudo apt-get install apache2"
[09:55] <kryptel> a BOA?
[09:55] <Angelus> you can create a website with that
[09:55] <kryptel> si volevo qualche cosa di grafico
[09:55] <Angelus> no
[09:56] <kryptel> ok  allora mi conviene vsftpd
[09:56] <Angelus> apache2 = command line
[09:56] <Angelus> apache2 = http server
[09:57] <kryptel> e poi per mettere i file?? poichè sono alle prime armi
[09:58] <Angelus> you will set a directory for the public http. like /home/kryptel/publc_html and put the files there
[09:58] <Angelus> understood?
[09:58] <kryptel> ok grazie
[09:59] <Angelus> no problem :)
[09:59] <Angelus> kryptel: this can help you
[09:59] <Angelus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#head-42714b7a81f075c4f6024b8e0a36e2fccb11fdbd
[09:59] <kryptel> ;)
[10:00] <Angelus> sorry for not typing in italian. but i dont know how to write italian
[10:00] <Angelus> dough i understand it :p
[10:00] <Angelus> and speak it
[10:00] <kryptel> ok tanks
[10:00] <Angelus> np :0
[10:00] <Angelus> see ya  peace
[10:00]  * Angelus gone
[10:00] <KR-data>  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60395/
[10:01] <KR-data> ups wrong copy
[10:01] <KR-data> this one
[10:01] <KR-data> is it safe to interrupt an ldconfig as a part of a system update? It's been working for over 12 hours now
[10:09] <lanoxxth> where can i configure the auto launch menu that appears when i put a dvd in my drive or plug a usb stick?
[10:09] <lanoxxth> i set it to always use this setting and now it wont appear anymore
[10:10] <lanoxxth> anyone?
[10:12] <lanoxxth> where can i configure the auto launch menu that appears when i put a dvd in my drive or plug a usb stick?
[10:12] <lanoxxth> i set it to always use this setting and now it wont appear anymore
[10:16] <luke__> can anyone tell me how to fix the rendering problem in this screenshot?
[10:16] <luke__> http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/TheFuzzball/Kubuntu%20Hardy%20problems/snapshot3.png
[10:16] <neverendingo> lanoxxth: look under kcontrol -> devices (or something like that, don't know the english word) -> media
[10:39] <the_humble_noob> anyone help with sorting out wifi card?
[10:43] <the_humble_noob> anyone?
[10:43] <the_humble_noob> need to connect laptop to PC.
[10:51] <pkar9741> hi
[11:00] <spawn57> any of you tried out hardy heron yet?
[11:12] <emilsedgh> !kde4 > farhad_hf__
[11:13] <hawkau> Hi all. Looking for some assistance, I have a toshiba Satelite M100 (PSMAAA), trying to get the sound operational
[11:14] <intelikey> #alsa
[11:35] <neoset> hi all
[11:35] <jpatrick> hi neoset
[11:36] <neoset> can i ask a noob question about installing kubuntu on software nvraid array (raid 0)?
[11:37] <intelikey> you just did.
[11:37] <intelikey> !ask
[11:37] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[11:38] <neoset> with installed XP on the nvraid-can i install kubuntu later on separate partition?
[11:38] <jpatrick> !raid
[11:38] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[11:39] <neoset> i found that article, but i would like to know if anyone here did it successfuly?
[11:41] <intelikey> a larger pool for your poll would be #ubuntu, seeing that installing *buntu is one.
[11:41] <pronin_an> hi all
[11:41] <pronin_an> русские есть?
[11:42] <intelikey> !ru
[11:42] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[11:42] <neoset> !bg
[11:42] <ubotu> опитайте #ubuntu-bg за български потребители . try #ubuntu-bg for bulgarian users, and please idle there patiently
[11:50] <hawkau> Require assistance with sounds on a Toshiba Satelite M100 (PSMAAA) - No Sound, I have followed the instructions in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto and still its not working. I have asked in #alsa and no response there either. Can any provide an idea of where I should start looking?
[12:04] <KR-data> how do I make kde archive files in bz2 in stead of gz?
[12:21] <intelikey> hmm an empty file takes up more space as .tar than as .bz2 and more space as .bz2 than as .gz and more space as .gz than in it's natural state...   interesting.
[12:22] <KR-data> well usually you wouldn't compress an empty file, so what is that information useful for?
[12:23] <intelikey> KR-data i've seen many try to compress things that wont compress     (.mp3 for example)
[12:24] <intelikey> thus of the normal forms mentioned tar -cjf blah.tar.bz2 file.mp3   will enlarge file.mp3 the most.
[12:25] <KR-data> true
[12:26] <KR-data> but well the only reason I know for "compressing" (or rather archiving) mp3s is to send for example 20 mp3s in one go in stead of 20 :p
[12:26] <Jucato> KR-data: right-click -> Compress -> Compress As?
[12:26] <KR-data> Jucato, I don't have that option :(
[12:26] <Jucato> in Konqueror
[12:26] <Jucato> D3lphin is wacked
[12:27] <RytmenPinnen> how do I install an older package of a program that I allready have?, I'm trying to degrade wine, but the new install program just says a never version is installed and wont let me press install
[12:27] <KR-data> Jucato, I'll try konqueror, but I agree I'm just too lazy to change the default
[12:28] <KR-data> but I want it to default to bz2, not just for Archive as
[12:28] <KR-data> but I see the option is there as desired, now it's just to find how to change the default ;)
[12:28] <Jucato> D3lphin's Archive as is hardcoded unfortunately (I wrote it)
[12:29] <intelikey> :)
[12:29] <intelikey> sorry.
[12:29] <KR-data> ok that isn't optimal is that going to change, or?
[12:30] <Jucato> no sense in changing it imho.... Dolphin in KDE 4 is probably fixed already
[12:30] <KR-data> well I could check it, though it won't help on the computer I'm using atm
[12:31] <KR-data> maybe I should change the default file manager to konqueror on my box, where do I change it?
[12:31] <Jucato> As for Konqueror-Ark using bz2 instead.. hm..
[12:31] <Jucato> !d3lphin | KR-data
[12:31] <intelikey> RytmenPinnen --force-downgrade ?
[12:31] <ubotu> KR-data: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[12:32] <RytmenPinnen> intelikey: yes, how do I do that?
[12:33] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: by default, apt-get will always install the latest version of a package that's available from its repositories.
[12:33] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install package=version
[12:33] <KR-data> hehe I guess I'm not the first to change that :p
[12:33] <Jucato> that will install the specific version you want
[12:33] <intelikey> Jucato what are you doing writing kde apps?  you are the networking Master...      :)))
[12:33] <RytmenPinnen> aha, k
[12:34] <RytmenPinnen> but if I already have the package on my desktop and want to install that?
[12:34] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: what format of the package is on your desktop? and it still might be better to do it using repositories to make sure you get dependencies right
[12:34] <RytmenPinnen> .deb
[12:34] <Jucato> (lower versions might require lower versions of repositories)
[12:34] <Jucato> of dependencies I mean
[12:35] <Jucato> intelikey: not really an app. it was just a service menu for D3lphin... and I did it to buffer the pain of having D3lphin as the default in Gutsy
 intelikey: yes, how do I do that?  kpkg -i --force-downgrade <file.deb>
[12:36] <Jucato> kpkg?
[12:36] <intelikey> dpkg     typo
[12:36] <intelikey> there is a kpkg too   is there not ?
[12:36] <Jucato> there's a kpkg I think.. but related to the kernel :)
[12:36] <intelikey> yeah.
[12:37] <RytmenPinnen> hmm, well all dependencies should be ok, the thing is it just says: error: "a newer version is allready installed" and the install button is gray. **doesnt like when GUIS are dumbed down to users with an iq of 0.5
[12:37]  * Jucato still maintains using apt-get and repository versions of the package is cleaner...
[12:37] <intelikey> you know on a qwerty key board the d and the k are the same key....
[12:37] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: have you considered how other users feel when GUI expect them to have IQs of 1337?
[12:37]  * intelikey agrees with Jucato about it being cleaner.
[12:38] <RytmenPinnen> now its not that, I just find it anoying when the gui doesnt let me downgrade just because there's a newer verison installed
[12:39] <intelikey> that is that   ^
[12:39] <intelikey> duh.
[12:39] <RytmenPinnen> and I did pull the older version of the wine repos so it whould be pretty clean
[12:39] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: it's a normal behavior. normally apt-get won't let you either. you have to use a special format to "downgrade"
[12:40] <RytmenPinnen> k, whatever, steams seems to be stable with 9.47
[12:40] <darx__> hi, where do I set the keyshortcuts of KDE? some shortcuts are conflicting with firefox..
[12:41] <darx__> :-)
[12:42] <matt1728> is there a program to open .cbv (chessbase) files on linux?
[12:42] <ocs_>  hi. is there another utility than Curl for sending http commands?
[12:42] <intelikey> dpkg/apt/<pick your FE> are writen in a unidirrectional paridigm that all things will be added and newer.   i.e.   no body ever wants to remove or revert.    however the writers did and do realize that the normal is not the rule.  i.e. they did provide for those that disagree with them.
[12:42] <matt1728> !chessbase
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chessbase - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:43] <intelikey> matt1728 apt-cache search chess
[12:43] <matt1728> kk
[12:43] <intelikey> ocs_ wput ?
[12:45] <ocs_> thnks intelikey
[12:48] <Ace2016_> Hi all
[12:48] <Ace2016_> anyone know a good network-manager front end?
[12:49] <Ace2016_> apart from knetwork manager which asks me to type my hidden wireless network info each and every time
[12:49] <intelikey> kde-network-manager  ???
[12:49] <intelikey> oh.
[12:49] <Jucato> knetworkmanager is the only KDE networkmanager frontend I know off
[12:49] <Jucato> you can try looking at kde-apps.org
[12:50]  * intelikey just uses bash for a network manager...
[12:50] <Seldaek> howdy, how can I check the current ubuntu version number I run ?
[12:50] <Jucato> !version | Seldaek
[12:50] <ubotu> Seldaek: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[12:50] <Ace2016_> i found kwlan but it just errors with ndiswrapper
[12:50] <Seldaek> thanks:)
[12:52] <Ace2016_> intelikey: any howtos for that?
[12:53] <intelikey> Ace2016_ ?
[12:53] <Ace2016_> nothing works with a hidden wireless connection apart from knetwork manager which forces me to give it the info each and every time
[12:55] <Ace2016_> how to use network manager from bash sort of thing
[12:55] <Seldaek> Jucato: and any idea how I can see which alpha/beta I am running?:)
[12:55] <Seldaek> just trying to figure out if alpha6 has updated to beta1 correctly
[12:56] <Jucato> Seldaek: I don't think you can. but if you just performed your regular update from alpha6, it will be beta1
[12:56] <Jucato> you can try asking in #ubuntu+1
 how to use network manager from bash sort of thing <<< not network manager from bash...    as too howto.    i'm wired.   so wifi is outside my knowledge base.    but for wired management simplest setup is just adding the info to /etc/network/interfaces
[12:56] <Seldaek> I ran update-manager
[12:56] <Jucato> Seldaek: that would probably be it
[12:56] <Seldaek> and aptitude doesn't find any update either now so I think it's fine
[12:56] <Jucato> #ubuntu+1 for hardy questions
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> Ace2016_: if its unencrypted its fairly straightforward
[12:57] <Ace2016_> nope aes encrypted
[12:57] <intelikey> what's producing the error ?   is it perl/python/?????  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d37ba3a94
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> Ace2016_: then that is going to be difficult... read the man page for wpa_supplicant
[12:58] <Ace2016_> works fine with knetwork manager, just forgets the settings
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: run it with -v
[12:59] <intelikey> nosrednaekim run what with -v tho ?
[12:59] <intelikey> nosrednaekim lsb_release -v yelds only the error pasted
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> hrm... well, try this, run "python fromt he terminal and then run "import site)
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> "import site"
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> itworks here, and it seems to have alot of OS related stuff
[13:01] <intelikey> yeah it's python.
[13:01] <intelikey> ttyp0 [root@zeos486.~] python
[13:01] <intelikey> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[13:02] <Seldaek> how do I switch back to KDE3 from 4?
[13:03] <intelikey> 'import site' failed; traceback:
[13:03] <intelikey> ImportError: No module named site
[13:03] <Jucato> Seldaek: logout, from the login screen, choose KDE from the Session type
[13:04] <nosredna_ekim> intelikey: sorry...
[13:04] <nosredna_ekim> intelikey: did do anything?
[13:04] <Seldaek> Jucato: I installed kubuntu alpha6 with kde4 so I don't have kde3 installed :)
[13:05] <Jucato> Seldaek: um... so there's nothing you can go back to
[13:05] <intelikey> ImportError: No module named site
[13:05] <Seldaek> well I would like to install it and THEN go back:)
[13:05] <nosredna_ekim> intelikey: makes sense.... lets wee what package thats in
[13:05] <intelikey> lets wee
[13:06] <Seldaek> because KDE4 doesn't work fine with nvidia drivers + laptop touchpad + hibernation..
[13:06] <Seldaek>  I can't get them all to work
[13:06] <intelikey> i would just disable it but that seems to be hardcoded into /usr/bin/python
[13:06] <sebr> hm, i have a problem upgrading to hardy
[13:06] <sebr> with libc6
[13:06] <Jucato> sebr: #ubuntu+1 please
[13:06] <sebr> cheers
[13:07] <intelikey> nosredna_ekim where is the module normally located and i'll just symlink /dev/null to it  ?
[13:08] <Jucato> Seldaek: install the package "kubuntu-desktop"
[13:08] <Jucato> that should get you the default Kubuntu KDE3 desktop and setup
[13:08] <nosredna_ekim> intelikey: actually, lsb_release never calls import site.... only import os
[13:10] <Seldaek> Jucato: alright thanks
[13:10] <intelikey> nosredna_ekim it's the idiotic fact that lsb_releace calls python that is the problem.  python call 'import site'
[13:10] <nosredna_ekim> intelikey: lsb_release is WRITTEN in python
[13:10] <intelikey>                  ^
[13:11] <nosredna_ekim> oh..i'm seeing what you are saying. :)
[13:11] <nosredna_ekim> intelikey: so... make a new python module called site.py and put it somewhere :)
[13:11] <intelikey> so if i symlink dev/null to   /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages   it should stop that error
[13:12] <intelikey> actually no.  that won't do it either.
[13:13] <nosredna_ekim> actually, try linking it to "/usr/lib/python2.4/site.py"
[13:13] <intelikey> yeah   link null to that.    right   ty
[13:14] <nosredna_ekim> intelikey: oh wait... that file is provided by python2.4-minimal
[13:14] <intelikey> doesn't seem to be.
[13:14] <nosredna_ekim> here on gutsy it is
[13:14] <nosredna_ekim> thats what dpkg -S says
[13:15] <intelikey> but i have that package and yet     : > /usr/lib/python2.4/site.py    fixes the error.
[13:16] <nosredna_ekim> hmm ok...
[13:18] <intelikey> nosredna_ekim   dpkg -S python2.4-minimal  ?
[13:18] <intelikey> not -L ?
[13:19] <intelikey> oh wait l and s are the same key too   just like   k and d are...
[13:19] <nosredna_ekim> intelikey: dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.4/site.py
[13:21] <intelikey> yeah   dpkg -L python2.4-minimal   shows it there too but for some reason that   :> still fixes it...
[13:21] <Odd-rationale> Can I upgrade via cd to the kumuntu-kde4 beta release? Is the procedure identical to upgradeing to hardy? Thanks!
[13:22] <nosredna_ekim> Odd-rationale: No, I don't think you can do that, unless you had the kde4 version of gutsy installed
[13:22] <Odd-rationale> nosredna_ekim: ok
[13:23] <intelikey> nosredna_ekim another odity the file /etc/python2.4/site.py shows to be supplied by python2.4-minimal doesn't exist either.   the dir is not even there.    (note. thats not a complaint though)
[13:24] <nosredna_ekim> wow.... wierd.
[13:25] <intelikey> i think that most likely something else actualy provides those  (or possably provides another version of them) and it was removed on my system/s
[13:27] <silvio> tach
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:29] <intelikey> shalom BluesKaj
[13:31] <Odd-rationale> OK I plann to test the beta. But I have 2 3rd party repos - medibuntu and wine. What should I do with these?
[13:32] <tof> Hi, how to change the keyboard type in a text console?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> hey intelikey
[13:34] <benishor> Hello all
[13:34] <benishor> anybody alive ?
[13:35] <Trollinator> benishor: what's the point in asking?
[13:35] <Trollinator> ask your question, and if someone feels like responding, he probably will.
[13:35] <benishor> I encountered a problem while upgrading from kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04. I got a debconf warning when configuring samba.common . I specified I want to see the differences of the two config files and then I closed the window
[13:36] <benishor> problem is installing process stalled
[13:36] <benishor> I have no clue as of how to make it go further
[13:36] <intelikey> tof maybe dpkg-reconfigure console-data  or  kbd-config
[13:38] <benishor> the distribution upgrade tool is still there, running, but stalled, expecting for the samba-common package to configure
[13:39] <benishor> maybe I should try killing usr/bin/ucf process started
[13:39] <silvio> hi
[13:39] <benishor> hello silvio
[13:39] <tof> thanks intelikey
[13:40] <intelikey> benishor 8.4 is not released yet.   so help is in   #ubuntu+1
[13:40] <gp> hi
[13:40] <intelikey> tof welcome
[13:40] <gp> microphone in any of computer with kubuntu is not working
[13:41] <gp> on sony viao fsz11s and two other desktops with asus and msi mo
[13:41] <gp> no microphone no voice chat
[13:42] <intelikey> benishor just a note there though   if ucf is exiting and killing a config script.   it's the line " readlink -f ***  "   you can remove the set -e   and it should finish...
[13:42] <gp> guys in my office has to boot to windows to make microphone work
[13:43] <Seldaek> any reason for the screen to go blank and nothing happening naymore if I do "init 1" ?
[13:43] <Seldaek> it worked fine before..
[13:43] <intelikey> Seldaek may be dropping you into an inactive tty   try  alt+left_arrow
[13:44] <Seldaek> ah, good point, too late though
[13:44] <gp> we trying kubuntu for a pilot but MICROPHONE doesnot work
[13:44] <intelikey> Seldaek where ever you were when xorg started it's where you return to when x dies    so could be.
[13:45] <intelikey> qp if no one in here answers you    try #ubuntu
[13:45] <Seldaek> intelikey: I'll keep that in mind for the next time :)
[13:46] <intelikey> qp sound is not kde specific.
[13:46] <gp> ubuntu guys are bigger  geeks than kubuntu ;-)
[13:46] <jussio1> gp: you made sure everything is turned up/not muted?
[13:46] <intelikey> jsut more of them gp
[13:47] <gp> i checked with alsamixer
[13:47] <jussi01> gp: which sound card?
[13:47] <intelikey> gp also check in the app being used.
[13:48] <gp> can someone pl tell me in kde mixer how do we kno if input is enable
[13:48] <Seldaek> is there any way to enforce X11 to rebuild its conf file from scratch?
[13:48] <benishor> sudo kill [pid] yields : sudo: unable to resolve host omega .. is there a way I can kill a process during the upgrade ?
[13:48] <gp> is red and when i click turns redder
[13:48] <Seldaek> between my changes and nvidia-xconfig's changes.. it's kinda ruined it seems
[13:48] <intelikey> Seldaek dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[13:48] <Seldaek> thanks:)
[13:49] <gp> intelikey: its hda intel
[13:50] <intelikey> benishor sudo is broken there.   ummm that error is a simple var not set   but i don't recall which.
[13:51] <intelikey> gp ah yes.   as they say "good luck / tre bon chance"
[13:52] <gp> intel hda is not supported in ubuntu ?
[13:52] <intelikey> not well supported in linux
[13:52] <gp> damn
[13:53] <intelikey> gp there are many postings on the wiki/forums
[13:53] <Dragnslcr> My Intel sound chipset works fine
[13:53] <Seldaek> intelikey: sorry but.. now that's it has a fresh config, how do I start it ? init 2 doesn't seem to work
[13:53] <gp> i can hear the output /but microphone is not working
[13:53] <Dragnslcr> Though I haven't tried microphone input
[13:53] <intelikey> Dragnslcr which hda ?
[13:53] <Seldaek> oh, init 1 did, now I guess I can init 2 again
[13:53] <Dragnslcr> nVidia MCP55
[13:58] <intelikey> BAH!  i lost a computer.     well that's one perspective, another might be i gained another (now unused) minitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers ...
[13:59] <Seldaek> okay
[13:59] <Seldaek> I managed to destroy it I think
[13:59] <Seldaek> :p
[14:00] <thewhitepelican> where can I get help with hardy?
[14:00] <Seldaek> it froze on boot with kdm-kde4 (I installed kde3 to stop using 4..) so I removed that package and now it doesn't boot at all
[14:00] <intelikey> #ubuntu+1
[14:00] <Seldaek> well it boots but in command mode
[14:00] <intelikey> doesn't boot ?
[14:00] <intelikey> yeah.  ok.
[14:00] <intelikey> sounds like you may not have any ?dm installed
[14:00] <Seldaek> kinit: trying to resume from /dev/disk/by-uuid/*lotssa junk*
[14:01] <Seldaek> kinit: no resume image, doing normal boot
[14:01] <Seldaek> then I get the login prompt :)
[14:01] <intelikey> yeah that's normal.    again  sounds like you may not have any ?dm installed
[14:01] <Seldaek> yup
[14:01] <galorin> That sounds normal for no kdm.  Probably got nuled when you removed kde4
[14:01] <galorin> nuked rather
[14:02] <intelikey> so install gdm   :)))
[14:02] <thewhitepelican> bite your tiongue
[14:02] <thewhitepelican> tongue*
[14:02] <Seldaek> intelikey: is it ht edefault kde3 one ?
[14:02]  * intelikey does not sujest kdm.   it writes in /root
[14:02] <Seldaek> the*
[14:02] <intelikey> and gdm works just as well as kdm
[14:02] <Seldaek> well anyway I'll try it
[14:03] <Seldaek> it's not as if I had anything to lose at this point :p
[14:03] <ololo> =)
[14:03] <intelikey> xdm works but may not support all the functions of [g,k]dm
[14:04]  * intelikey also finds gdm easier to configure by hand than kdm
[14:04] <galorin> there's also ldm and sdm if you want to get picky
[14:05] <Seldaek> well I have no clue what is the purpose of these *dm
[14:05] <intelikey> or just use twm  :)
[14:05] <Seldaek> so I'll trust you :p
[14:05] <intelikey> Seldaek it the graphical login app.
[14:05] <intelikey> *display manager
[14:05] <Seldaek> as long as it boots me into kde3 with nvidia support I'm happy :)
[14:06] <intelikey> the nvidia support is handled by xorg not the dm   but yeah
[14:06] <Seldaek> well yeah but it's when I played with xorg that it ruined everything
[14:07] <Seldaek> it was the start of it all at least
[14:07] <thewhitepelican> I have a question about running kubuntu in virtual box, but it isn't a virtual box question but a kubuntu question
[14:07] <intelikey> ok i need to scram.
[14:07] <intelikey> lateronfloks
[14:07] <benishor> intelikey : is there *any* way I could get a root bash ?
[14:08] <trappist> benishor: sudo su -
[14:08] <benishor> sudo fails on me
[14:08] <benishor> sudo: unable to resolve host omega
[14:09] <benishor> I am during a version upgrade
[14:09] <mjaime> hello
[14:09] <trappist> benishor: you're going to have to boot into single user mode (recovery mode) and fix your /etc/hosts
[14:10] <mjaime> alguien ha instalado la version 8.04
[14:10] <trappist> benishor: that drops you to a root shell without logging in
[14:10] <jpatrick> !es | mjaime
[14:10] <ubotu> mjaime: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[14:10] <jpatrick> !hardy > mjaime
[14:10] <trappist> oh, hardy.  yep, #ubuntu+1
[14:10] <Seldaek> ah, it has booted.
[14:12] <mjaime> has somebody install kubuntu 8.04?
[14:12] <dreadknot> ummm..
[14:12] <thewhitepelican> you mean hardy?
[14:12] <thewhitepelican> it's still alpha
[14:12] <mjaime> yes
[14:12] <mjaime> yes it's alpha
[14:12] <thewhitepelican> i have under virtual box
[14:12] <dreadknot> can somebody help e
[14:13] <thewhitepelican> don't ask for help, jut ask your question
[14:13] <mjaime> with kde4 or kde3
[14:13] <thewhitepelican> kde3
[14:13] <mjaime> the kde4 is unstable? no?
[14:13] <thewhitepelican> kde 4 is still a beta as far as I'm concerned
[14:13] <trappist> !ask | dreadknot
[14:13] <ubotu> dreadknot: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[14:13] <thewhitepelican> quite unstable
[14:13] <mjaime> thank
[14:13] <mjaime> I'll install it with kd3 bye
[14:14] <thewhitepelican> good luck
[14:14] <thewhitepelican> just remember, it's going to be unstable
[14:14] <jhutchins_wk> I haven't heard about any stability problems with KDE4, just lack of applications and usability.
[14:14] <thewhitepelican> it's an alpha
[14:15] <trappist> kde4 isn't alpha.  it's released.
[14:16] <Seldaek> trappist: didn't work out so well for me:)
[14:16] <thewhitepelican> harsy is an alpha
[14:16] <thewhitepelican> hardy*
[14:16] <Seldaek> might have been my fault though I admit
[14:16] <trappist> Seldaek: yeah I don't care for it yet either
[14:16] <thewhitepelican> kde 4, as it now stands, was never meant for general release
[14:16] <thewhitepelican> that comes with 4.1
[14:18] <Jucato> thewhitepelican: it's meant for general release, just not for general, regular, KDE 3.5-like usage
[14:18] <thewhitepelican> what's the difference, Jucato ?
[14:19] <jussio1> ahem...
[14:19] <Jucato> thewhitepelican: it's a general release that's meant for 1. technology preview and 2. testing. it's not meant to replace KDE 3.5 just yet
[14:19]  * Jucato goes now
[14:19] <thewhitepelican> that was my whole point. you're getting into semantics
[14:19] <BluesKaj> interesting how some ppl think alpha/beta means no probs expected ...pretty demanding attitude :)
[14:20] <trappist> thewhitepelican: semantics are important.  release vs. usage is an important distinction.
[14:20] <thewhitepelican> hmmm
[14:20] <jussio1> Lets keep the kde4 discussion in #kubuntu-kde4. thanks :)
[14:20] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: Google doesn't help with that
[14:20] <Jucato> anyway... it's kinda offtopic for this channel so...
[14:21] <trappist> +1
[14:22] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, sometimes i wish someone would type the MOTD in caps ...whaddya want for free ? !  :)
[14:45] <bin4ry> hey together
[14:46] <bin4ry> whenever i try to fetch my mails with thunderbird (over ssl) i get a security warning, that i want to establish a connection with server xy but the certificate belongs to server yz. So everytime i want to fetch mail i have toclick-ok the dialoge. How can i import the certificate, so there's no noisy dialoge any more
[14:46] <bin4ry> ?
[14:49] <psy> About 5 weeks ago I lost my wireless and audio devices. No one could help me redetect the hardware so I gave up on Kubuntu for a while hoping eventually an update would fix it. I tried again just now but no joy :(
[14:50] <jhutchins_wk> psy: The new audio chipsets and some of the wireless drivers are in a state of change right now, might work on some distros and not on others.
[14:51] <jhutchins_wk> psy: You could allways fall back to the earlier drivers that were working
[14:51] <psy> kubuntu can't even detect the devices at the moment
[14:51] <berg> buenos dias
[14:52] <jpatrick> !es | berg
[14:52] <ubotu> berg: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[14:52] <psy> they were working fine in January and suddeny disappeared after an update
[14:52] <rainer> hama m 930 under linux
[14:52] <berg> yes
[14:52] <berg> é tu péba
[14:53] <benishor> how can I restart the 8.04 upgrade process ? my upgrade process broke because of a silly mistake and I had to reboot. Now the ugprade tool starts and while "preparing upgrade" it just disappears off the screen
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> benishor: run, from the command line "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[14:56] <benishor> thank you. dpkg was interrupted
[14:56] <nosrednaekim> database is locked?
[14:57] <benishor> no, it works. it continues with the dist-upgrade
[14:57] <mazeura> I just recently installed Kubuntu with the help of one of my friends (he's a wiz at Linux, and I wouldn't as much done without his help) and he had to go back ot his dorm to sleep before he was able to help me install my video driver on my laptop.  I have a nVidia 8800M GTX in my laptop, and absolutely clueless on what driver to get for the card.  Any help would be appreciated.
[14:58] <smurfslover> mazeura: don't you have an icon in the systray which tells you there's a proprietary driver available
[14:59] <smurfslover> if you don't have it  you probably just need to install nvidia-glx-new
[14:59] <Seb> hi fellows
[14:59] <Seb> after dist-upgrading from gutsy to hardy, I can't seem to enter the administrator mode in kde, any idea why that could be ? It doesn't even ask for my password anymore, just says "please wait", and then comes back to regular-mode...
[14:59] <Jucato> mazeura: or see Sysetem Settings -> Advanced tab -> Restricted Manager
[14:59] <Jucato> Seb: #ubuntu+1 for hardy questions. thanks
[15:00] <Seb> i see
[15:00] <psy> jhutchins_wk: I tried lsmod and modprobe and the devices are just not there
[15:00] <jhutchins_wk> psy: Meaning only that the drivers aren't loaded.
[15:00] <jhutchins_wk> psy: lspci should show them.
[15:00] <mazeura> "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers"  I remember my friend saying something along the lines of how Vesa only supports 2-D games, and that's what he has it set at currently.
[15:02] <jhutchins_wk> !nvidia | mazeura
[15:02] <ubotu> mazeura: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:03] <akhil_> unable to access some drives
[15:03] <akhil_> hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
[15:03] <akhil_> how can i fix that?
[15:04] <psy> jhutchins_wk: ok thanks, I can see them in that list. How can I force Kubuntu to load some drivers for them?
[15:08] <lg188_> hey who got some VB2005 knowledge ??
[15:09] <jhutchins_wk> psy: Well, you'll need to find out what drivers they need, then list them in the modprobe.conf file (I'm not certain right now exactly which file, the header will tell you).  Usually you do something like make an alias for the driver in modprobe.conf.
[15:10] <lg188_> VB2005 Knowledge ??? anyone ?
[15:10] <jpatrick> lg188_: hmm, don't think many of us here do VB :)
[15:10] <lg188_> jpatrick: kk do uou know some of it ?
[15:10] <lg188_> jpatrick: you*
[15:11] <jpatrick> lg188_: no, do it at school, don't like it much
[15:11] <lg188_> jpatrick: oww kk then nice to meet you ^^
[15:11] <jpatrick> lg188_: maybe #vb.net can help?
[15:11] <lg188_> kk will try
[15:12] <jpatrick> lg188_: likewise to you :)
[15:16] <mazeura_> Ok, I went to the restricted drivers and nothing is showing up.  I looked at the guide that you linked me to and that did not help either.  Does this have to deal with how he set up the graphic driver with something called "vesa"?
[15:17] <psy> jhutchins_wk: thanks, I'll see what I can figure out. So far I think the drivers in question are called ipw3945 and snd_hda_intel
[15:20] <jussio1> psy: Sorry, i missed your issue. care to repeat it?
[15:21] <jussio1> mazeura: IIRC the 8800gt is not yet supported in the ubuntu repositories. you need to grab the driver from nvidia, but Im not _certain_ of this.
[15:21] <psy> jussio1: I'm trying to get Kubuntu to install some drivers for my wireless and audio devices, which used to work fine before an update I did early on in the year
[15:21] <BluesKaj> mazeura, check in kmenu/system settings/advanced/ , for restricted drivers
[15:22] <mazeura_> nothing shows up.
[15:22] <jussio1> psy: intel hda sound?
[15:22] <psy> jussio1: yeah, but most critical is getting wireless working
[15:23] <BluesKaj> mazeura , nothing shows up , where ?
[15:23] <jussio1> !intelhda | psy
[15:23] <ubotu> psy: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[15:23] <jussio1> psy: its a well know bug in gutsy
[15:23] <Daisuke_Ido> mazeura, what version of kubuntu are you using?
[15:24] <mazeura_> 7.1
[15:24] <mazeura_> I am in the Restricted Divers and there is nothing inside of the window with the columns
[15:25] <psy> I'm not super fussed about getting the sound working, people have told me it can't be done without lots of messing about, however it did work almost perfectly when I first installed Gutsy
[15:25] <psy> ubotu: thanks, I'll check out that link
[15:27] <jussio1> psy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/iwlwifi_Intel_3945_4965/gutsy
[15:27] <jussio1> !bot | psy
[15:27] <ubotu> psy: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[15:27] <BluesKaj> mazeura_, then you must DL and install the proper linux driver from the nVidia driver support site
[15:27] <psy> jussio1: cheers
[15:28] <jussio1> psy: :)
[15:28] <mazeura_> And one more question:  The 7.1 is a 32 or 64 bit OS?
[15:29] <psy> bye and thanks again!
[15:30] <jussio1> mazeura_: both, depending which version you installed
[15:30] <siofwolves> when i try to logout/reboot/shutdown kubuntu it crashes to a black screen, it will never logout to the login screen. i can switch users/start new sessions ok.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> mazeura_, in the konsole , ' lsb_release -a '
[15:30] <siofwolves> i'me using kde 3.5 on gutsy
[15:31] <flipstar> lsb_release -a doesnt show if 32 or 64bit version..
[15:31] <BluesKaj> oops
[15:32] <mkargar> i have one prblem in kubuntu 7.10!i was installed kubuntu on my system(athlon 64bit),since of installed kubuntu and then selected kubuntu in grub page,all script font in boot is very large!how to changing scrip font in boot?
[15:32] <mazeura_> all it says is 'no lsb modules are available'  Then tells me about the Distributor ID, Description, Release, and Codename. (Ubuntu, Ubuntu 7.1, 7.1, gutsy)
[15:33] <jussio1> !version
[15:33] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[15:34] <mkargar> mkargar@musa:~$ lsb_release -a
[15:34] <jussio1> hmm
[15:34] <mkargar> No LSB modules are available.
[15:34] <mkargar> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[15:34] <mkargar> Description:    Ubuntu 7.10
[15:34] <mkargar> Release:        7.10
[15:34] <mkargar> Codename:       gutsy
[15:34] <jussio1> !paste | mkargar
[15:34] <ubotu> mkargar: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:34] <mkargar> excusme!!
[15:35] <jussio1> mkargar: jut remember, anything over 3 lines, use the pastebin :)
[15:35] <mazeura_> how do I make a !shell?
[15:35] <mkargar> ok brother!
[15:36] <jussio1> maz shell is the command prompt :)
[15:36] <mkargar> please reading and helpping me!http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60416/
[15:37] <mazeura_> *hand to face*
[15:39] <mazeura_> Ok, so after typing the 'lsb_release -a'  and it gave me:
[15:39] <mazeura_> No LSB modules are available.
[15:39] <mazeura_> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[15:39] <mazeura_> Description:    Ubuntu 7.10
[15:39] <mazeura_> Release:        7.10
[15:39] <mazeura_> Codename:       gutsy
[15:39] <kaan> hey guys
[15:39] <kaan> quick question: Is there a way to switch desktops using a keyboard shortcut?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> mazeura_, look in the kmenu/system for Konsole - Terminal program
[15:40] <mazeura_> @ kaan:  I thought you could with ctrl+F#  where F# is what desktop you want to go go.
[15:40] <kaan> ugh no doesn't work :(
[15:41] <kaan> nobody knows?
[15:41] <mazeura_> @BluesKaj:  I have it opened right now.
[15:42] <mkargar> dear fiends,ho to resize script font in boot?
[15:42] <kaan> oh nice there is a way to switch desktops when the mouse wheel is over the desktop background
[15:42] <kaan> but keyboard?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> mazeura_, type or copy and paste , uname -m in the terminal
[15:44] <jussio1> Kaevik: on compiz?
[15:44] <jussio1> kaan: ^
[15:44] <mazeura_> x86_64  so I assume its the 32 bit OS then, correct?
[15:45] <mazeura_> or is it using the x86 architecture in teh 64 bit OS?
[15:45] <mazeura_> the*
[15:46] <kaan> oh yea i was just googling it and there is such thing as compiz thnx i'll try that out
[15:46] <BluesKaj> mazeura_, what architecture is the laptop itself ?
[15:47] <mkargar>  i have one prblem in kubuntu 7.10!i was installed kubuntu on my system(athlon 64bit),since of installed kubuntu and then selected kubuntu in grub page,all script font in boot is very large!how to changing scrip font in boot?
[15:48] <jussio1> !repeat |  mkargar
[15:48] <ubotu> mkargar: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[15:48] <jhutchins_wk> mkargar: use the vga= setting in the boot menu.
[15:48] <mazeura_> the laptop has a Core 2 Extreme, which if I remember corerctly is a 64-bit processor.
[15:50] <mkargar> how to i using vga=setting in boot menu?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> mazeura_, alt + F2, kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list , there you will see repositories addresses starting with "deb" , if these are listed as 64bit then that's what you're running
[15:55] <kaan> !patience
[15:55] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[15:55] <rothchild> hi all, how do I get my pics to preview in showfoto easily so that I can fit to screen, rotate and skip through all the pics in a folder but without having to open digikam or showfoto first? (ie click on image and have showfoto open the whole folder the picture is in)
[15:55] <kaan> I love you Ubotu
[15:55] <kaan> lol
[15:55] <BluesKaj> for those who would like a list of shell commands and what they mean : http://www.linuxguide.it/commands_list.php?Choose_Language:English
[15:55] <rothchild> I'm sure it used to do it as a default behaviour
[15:58] <mazeura_> um I'm looking at the sources.list and looking at the lines that begin with 'deb' and not sure what to be looking for.
[15:58] <mkargar> Dear Blueskaj:how to using vga=setting in boot menu?
[15:59] <nosrednaekim> mazeura_: what are you trying to do? remove a repository?
[15:59] <mazeura_> look to see if I have the 32 or 64 bit OS.
[15:59] <mazeura_> because I can not remember.
[15:59] <mazeura_> looking*
[16:00] <nosrednaekim> mazeura_: ah, its not going to be in there
[16:00] <nosrednaekim> mazeura_: run "uname -a"
[16:01] <mazeura_> x86_64
[16:01] <nosrednaekim> 64 bit then
[16:01] <mazeura_> thanks
[16:05] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, I told mazeura_ to make sure by checking the deb addresses in the sources.list
[16:06] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: the sources.list doesn't have that.... the real link is generated from your architexture or something.
[16:07] <BluesKaj> the sources.list would tell him if he was using 64 bit app sources ...kind of an indicator , don't you think ?
[16:08] <nosrednaekim> the sources.list doesn't tell you that.
[16:09] <nosrednaekim> for instance: deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/linux/ubuntu/archive/ gutsy universe
[16:09] <nosrednaekim> id one of my deb lines and I have amd64
[16:11] <BluesKaj> funny , when i ran 64 bit most of the repos showed 64bit sources
[16:11] <amiralul> hello. I was trying to select nvidia propietary driver from the Administrator section on Hardware/monitor window, but the radio buttons are grey
[16:11] <nick_> how to download cedega from terminal ?
[16:11] <amiralul> any ideea on how I install the prop. driver in a more Kubuntu-way?
[16:12] <nosrednaekim> amiralul: system settings->advanced->restricted drivers
[16:12] <amiralul> it's weird, but I don't have restricted drivers under system setting / advanced
[16:13] <amiralul> using 8.04 beta
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> amiralul: are you on fiesty?
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> oh... go to #ubuntu+1 please ...
[16:13] <amiralul> ok, thanks
[16:13] <nick_> how to download cedega from terminal ?
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> amiralul: you could also try running kdesudo jockey-kde
[16:16] <amiralul> nosrednaekim: I did. I click on Enable, then in Close. If I run the jockey-kde again, the checkbox is not checked
[16:22] <nick_> no one know hot to get cedega
[16:22] <Jucato> !cedega |  nick_
[16:22] <ubotu> nick_: cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[16:22] <nick_> thnaks
[16:32] <draik> !virtualbox
[16:32] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[16:39] <mp_> hi all., Ive installed kubuntu w KDE4 using the Wubi which means that my Windows partition should be accessible from Kubuntu I suppose.. But I cant find it, where would it be located_
[16:40] <mp_> sry, didnt read topic. Im moving
[16:50] <Regital_> !java
[16:50] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[16:54] <savetheWorld> Anyone know when Kubuntu Hardy is coming out?
[16:54] <NickPresta> savetheWorld, april 21st, I believe
[16:54] <NickPresta> !hardy
[16:54] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[16:54] <savetheWorld> NickPresta: many thanks!
[16:54] <NickPresta> April 24th, actually
[16:59] <savetheWorld> 4, 1 , - its all 1's and 0's anyway... :-)
[17:00] <savetheWorld> NickPresta: hmm - I notice that doesnt say Kubuntu.   Will there be a KDE version ?
[17:01] <NickPresta> savetheWorld, Kubuntu and Ubuntu (and I believe Xubuntu) will all be released together
[17:01] <savetheWorld> yay!
[17:01] <infbliss> is the hibernate problem fixed in Hardy yet
[17:01] <savetheWorld> (die hard KDE preferer. :-) )
[17:01] <NickPresta> infbliss, no idea. Which hibernate problem?
[17:02] <NickPresta> infbliss, you may get a better response in #ubuntu+1
[17:02] <infbliss> NickPresta: actually hibernate/suspend was non-functional on Gutsy (for a wide range of hardware) while it worked flawlessly on previous releases
[17:03] <ubuntu> hello
[17:06] <ubuntu> is there any life out there?
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> sure
[17:07] <ubuntu> incredible
[17:07] <ubuntu> what do you just talk about in here
[17:08] <nick_> someone can help me whit cedega plz
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> !topic
[17:08] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[17:09] <wad> So, guys. Where can I find a document that shows pros and cons between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[17:09] <ubuntu> im thinking about changing my desktop over to kubuntu, im using pclos 2007 right now and it doesn't compare
[17:09] <Bauldrick> what can i use to rip ps2 game to iso ( or is it a command dd ....??)
[17:09] <wad> We're trying to decide on one or the other right now.
[17:10] <claudiu> anyone knows how I can set ALT+SHIFT or CTRL+SHIFT to change my keyboard layout?
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> wad: the only way if to try both and see which you like better
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> you can install kubuntu-dekstop from within ubuntu easily
[17:20] <wad> nosrednaekim, yeah, I am.
[17:20] <wad> I'm using Kubuntu right now. KDE seems much nicer than Gnome.
[17:20] <ubuntu> wad: i haven't found anything on the net that outlines the pro's con's of each, i would start with the kubuntu and ubuntu websites, they have lots of great info and FAQ's to aid you in your decision. also see wikipedia as there might be some good information in there
[17:20] <wad> thansk
[17:20] <wad> I found this:
[17:20] <wad> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1148219&postcount=17
[17:21] <ubuntu> wad: im using kubuntu as of right now and i really like it, detects most of my hardware and its one of the nicest OOB distros i've seen yet
[17:21] <claudiu> anyone knows how I can set ALT+SHIFT or CTRL+SHIFT to change my keyboard layout?
[17:22] <rtx> hello guys! I have just istalled kububtu on my laptop and i am having proplems getting kaffeine to play avis
[17:22] <KalEl> le
[17:23] <KalEl> sorry... "/j #goog" is on the main window, "le\n" came here in xchat
[17:25] <rtx> could anyone help me set up kaffeine to play avis?
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> !avi
[17:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:27] <rtx> also does anyone know where to go in order to learn more about linux in nyc?
[17:27] <nick_> why i not see how mutch agp and the name of my grafique card ?
[17:27] <nick_> ion kubuntu
[17:28] <ubuntu> rtx:
[17:28] <ubuntu> > Now start kaffeine.  Go to Settings -> Engines and select Kaffeine.
[17:28] <ubuntu> > This should fix the avi stuff, mostly.  I find that avi and wmv files
[17:28] <ubuntu> > are sometimes a little flaky under Linux.  Damned proprietary
[17:28] <ubuntu> > mishmosh.
[17:28] <ubuntu> sorry m8, wrong text
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> rtx: there should be a New york Lunix users group or Loco.... if not, you can come to the NJ loco (where I am) we have an IRC channel at #ubuntu-us-nj
[17:29] <ubuntu> rtx: http://www.nylxs.com/announce.html
[17:30] <jhutchins_wk> claudiu: Hotkeys setting in kcontrol.
[17:30] <nick_> no one can help me :(
[17:31] <ubuntu> nick: what exactly are you trying to do?
[17:32] <Dragnslcr> nick_- lspci will probably show it
[17:34] <rtx> ubuntu: i went to engine and clicked on kaffeine but an avi of into the wild only shows a blank screen with no sound as the play bar progresses
[17:34] <intExDK> In Gnome, you can select your default mixer track relatively easy in System Settings. Is there anyway to do the same in KDE? My main volume doesn't control the right mixer track... Anyone?
[17:35] <nosrednaekim> intExDK: yes, right click on the kmix icon, a nd choose "select master channel"
[17:35] <ubuntu> rtx: most likely a codec issue
[17:36] <ubuntu> rtx: google kaffeine codecs
[17:37] <intExDK> Thank you... I found it and choose the Microphone channel, which is the one controlling my volume, but still the same. The master volume doesn't control anything.
[17:38] <eduar> hola
[17:39] <intExDK> It's also strange, 'cause both the "PCM" channel and the "Headphone" channel can control my volume...
[17:39] <ubuntu> intexdk: are you getting low volume?
[17:40] <eduar> not speak spanis
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> !es
[17:40] <ubotu> En el canal donde esta solo se premite hablar ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:40] <eduar> ok gracias
[17:40] <nicholas_> My friends! I would like to update my BIOS on my Pavilion dv6426us, though the WinFlash program is for Windows (typical.. :\), is it safe to use wine with it? Or is there an alternative? If so, waht is it?
[17:41] <intExDK> No... The volume is fine. I just can't control it with the keyboard shortcuts on my laptop 'cause it's controlling the master volume which isn't the right one.
[17:42] <intExDK> Be right back...
[17:42] <intExDK> quit
[17:43] <BunnyRevolution> i just tanked my kubuntu install because i chose the wrong vid.  how do i fix?
[17:43] <nosrednaekim> nicholas_: usually, there is a DOS floppy boot utility
[17:44] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: excuse me? what does that mean? :P
[17:44] <sourcemaker> I have a problem with kde... all shortcuts do not work now..
[17:44] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: Oh! And I have no floppy drive. :P
[17:44] <sourcemaker> ALT+F2... and so on
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> BunnyRevolution: boot into recovery mode and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[17:44] <sourcemaker> what's wrong... I can work without shortcuts !!!! ;-)
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> sourcemaker: are you running compiz?
[17:45] <sourcemaker> no
[17:45] <sourcemaker> all is standard
[17:45] <sourcemaker> no update installed...
[17:45] <rtx> ubuntu: i have been trying to install the codecs and even tried to intall mplayer, but the thing is when it asks me to type command lines i have no idea what i am touching. is phyton the language on the terminal? what is the difference between the ubuntu and kubuntu terminals? is there anywhere i could go to have a basic grasp of theese concepts?
[17:45] <sourcemaker> maybe a reboot solves the problem... but I will not reboot my system now
[17:47] <ubuntu> rtx: http://www.linuxcommand.org/ <--- this is a good place to start learning the terminal
[17:47] <rtx> ubuntu: thanx
[17:47] <Stilo``> Hi! Is there a plugin for pidgin which can show my online buddies on the desktop?
[17:47] <yao_ziyua1> i typed "kdesu dolphin" and then deleted a directory in this dolphin and then empied the Trash. i wonder if root and my normal user account share the same Trash. and if not, how do i empty root's Trash?
[17:47] <ubuntu> rtx: sorry I couldn't be of more help
[17:47] <yao_ziyua1> i see now
[17:47] <yao_ziyua1> root's Trash is in root's Dolphin
[17:48] <ubuntu> rtx: I gaurantee it's a codec issue
[17:48] <ubuntu> rtx: i have found kaffeine to be the best all-in-one vid player for linux yet. to my exp.
[17:49] <nosrednaekim> Stilo``: like the one for kopete? not that I know of
[17:50] <Stilo``> yes like that for kopete.. hm okay
[17:51] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: What did you say I could do to upgrade my BIOS?
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> nicholas_: use a DOS boot floppy or install windows <_<
[17:53] <rtx> ubuntu:well i openned the command site. it seems its gonna be more help than you suppose. time to stop looking at the pictures ;)
[17:54] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: ew, install Windows.. XD How do I make this boot floppy? Actually, I could easily make a boot disc instead, correct?
[17:54] <ubuntu> rtx: its really not that bad once you get a few pages into it
[17:54] <ubuntu> just TRY all the examples they have and you'll learn fast
[17:55] <Hamra> hi, can i do a clean install from the alternate cd? or it just upgrades?
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> you'd have to read the instructions for your BIOS.
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> Hamra: yes, you can do a clean install
[17:55] <Hamra> thnx
[17:59] <myrtille> !german
[18:00] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[18:06] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: So how would I create a DOS boot disc? And how would I use it to upgrade the BIOS?
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> nicholas_: like I said, it depends on your BIOS, you need to go read the manufactorers web page
[18:13] <BunnyRevolution> nosrednaekim: heh, kubuntu hardy has a menu option for fixing x in recovery mode
[18:13] <BunnyRevolution> kubuntu rules !
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> BunnyRevolution: awesome :)
[18:15] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=ob-58112-1&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3439463&os=2093&lang=en  <- That is the best thing I can find on the website
[18:17] <nosrednaekim> nicholas_: ouch... are you having this problem?
[18:18] <jhutchins_wk> !autostart
[18:18] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[18:18] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: This problem being?
[18:18] <nosrednaekim> nicholas_: well... acually, any problem
[18:19] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: Oh, no power manager can ever sense how much battery I have left
[18:19] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: They all assume 0%
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> nicholas_: that probably will not be fixed with a BIOS upgrade
[18:20] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: What will fix it? This began very suddenly, I just booted up into openSUSE one day, and it said 0%.
[18:21] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: I tried with Slax, Kubuntu, and Debian, all said '0%'
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> it didn't always do that?
[18:21] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: Correct :)
[18:22] <|unimatrix|> !prefetch
[18:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about prefetch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:22] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: Though, I have an embarrasingly stupid habit, if my computer hangs and I have no other way to get otu, I would sometimes pop out the battery... >.<
[18:23] <nosrednaekim> nicholas_: yeah.... maybe you damaged your batter that way <_<
[18:23] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: damn..
[18:23] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: Solution: Get new battery? D:
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> you could try it... two batteries are always nice anyway :)
[18:25] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: awww, ah well, my battery was always very weak. :P
[18:26] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: I have a 1-year warranty on this laptop, could I simply send in for a replacement battery?
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> not sure what HP's policy is on laptops without windows still installed. they have no way of knowing if its a Linux problem or a hardware problem
[18:29] <Noq^> !mp3
[18:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:31] <nicholas_> nosrednaekim: My mother has the exact same laptop, I am goign to try turning on this laptop using her battery, does that sound safe?
[18:32] <nosrednaekim> yeah... sounds ok
[18:32] <Blissex> nicholas_: laptop batteries are often compatible. Even more so if it is the same model.
[18:32] <nicholas_> yaykthx.
[18:35] <flipstar> is there a plugin/addon/program to keep firefox in memory? like opera does
[18:36] <Agent_bob> well i found out why the new kernel diesn't recognize the usb stick.    seem sd_mod is not inserted automaticly with the new kernel...   maybe a depmod issue ?
[18:37] <Agent_bob> keep a ram leaking bug in ram ???
[18:37] <flipstar> err yes
[18:39] <flipstar> to avoid the long startup time
[18:39]  * Agent_bob has visions of OOMK fireworks...
[18:43] <Agent_bob> hmmm kde Q   ctrl+alt+esc and click desktop    what did i kill ?
[18:45] <alucardromero> Anybody using Kubuntu-KDE4 Alpha 6?
[18:53] <jessica> how do i downgrade from hardy to gutsy
[18:53] <jessica> i dont need to but it would be useful to know if i do as i dont know if hardware will work
[18:58] <flipstar> Agent_bob: if you care.. alltray was the solution :)
[18:58] <Kejk_PL> jessica: it is not easy, you will have to read something about deb pinning: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html
[18:59] <slow-motion> hi
[18:59] <vistakiller> hi
[18:59] <jessica> ok thanks
[19:06] <nick_> i can upgrade my kde 3 to kde 4 ?
[19:07] <Kejk_PL> nick_: you can install kde4 separately of kde3
[19:07] <nick_> i know but 4 gigabyte its to mutch
[19:07] <jckffyi> I'm trying to boost preformance a bit, and I've been doing some googleing and learned about hdparm, but I cannot find a good guide, and I don't want to mess anything up, the man page is only moderately helpful, does anyone know of a good guide to hdparm?
[19:07] <Kejk_PL> nick_: just install kde4 package
[19:07] <nick_> do he have a live cd for kde 4
[19:08] <Kejk_PL> */packages
[19:08] <nick_> where ?
[19:08] <Kejk_PL> just chose them from synaptic
[19:08] <flipstar> jckffyi: since you probably run 7.10 dma is enabled by default.. better check man tune2fs
[19:08] <nick_> ok thnaks
[19:09] <flipstar> in gutsy you have to add repos for kde4
[19:11] <Kejk_PL> nick_: rigt, check kubuntu.org
[19:11] <jckffyi> tune2fs seems to be file system params, I really am trying to optimize disk I/O, also my disk is mixed with ext and ntfs
[19:12] <patrice> hi
[19:12] <flipstar> right tune2fs probably works only on ext3
[19:12] <patrice> hello everybody
[19:12] <flipstar> hi patrice
[19:12] <patrice> hi flipstar
[19:13] <patrice> i am a new kubuntu user
[19:13] <patrice> and i have no sound
[19:13] <patrice> how to configure it?
[19:14] <flipstar> patrice: do you have an intel hd audio card ?
[19:14] <patrice> i don'tknow...
[19:15] <patrice> its a new laptop
[19:15] <Daisuke_Ido> this is the #1 problem i see users having.  #2 is probably the hal error when mounting...
[19:15] <patrice> toshiba
[19:15] <Daisuke_Ido> yep, you've got an intel hd then
[19:15] <Daisuke_Ido> !intelhda
[19:15] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[19:15] <patrice> so you know my problem?
[19:15] <patrice> ok
[19:15] <patrice> thanks
[19:17] <kjava> hello
[19:19] <mazeura_> Ok, nVidia does not list my graphics card on their download driver's page.  I have a 8800M GTX, and they just list the 8700M GT on their site.  I have a Windows driver CD that has the driver for the card, but I don't think that I can use that, can I?
[19:21] <benpicco_> !java
[19:21] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[19:21] <Daisuke_Ido> no you cannot
[19:22] <Daisuke_Ido> you should use the restricted driver manager
[19:22] <Daisuke_Ido> system settings > advanced
[19:22] <p-f> what would be a likely cause of standby behaving in the following way? If I press fn+standby, my laptop (dell 640m inspiron) goes to sleep properly, but upon reopening the lid, it boots back up from scratch as though I had completely shut it down.
[19:24] <mazeura_> That was already suggested and the column window that is in that section is empty.  It tells me that there are no proprietary drivers in use on this system.  My friend helped me set this up and he had set graphic driver to I think vesa, I think that's the right name at least.
[19:25] <mazeura_> And when I tell it to run in Adminisrator Mode it tells me "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers."
[19:26] <flipstar> mazeura_: you gpu is supported by 169.12 see http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.12/README/appendix-a.html
[19:30] <mazeura_> so I don't need to install anything onto my computer then?
[19:30] <benpicco_> mazeura_: which gpu do you use?
[19:31] <mazeura_> 8800M GTX
[19:31] <benpicco_> mazeura_: you might need the driver right from nvidia.com
[19:31] <benpicco_> might be not supported by the driver in the repos yet
[19:32] <flipstar> the drivers in the repos are 169.12 afaik
[19:32] <nosrednaekim> the driver for that is nvidia-glx-new... it is int he fiesty and gutsy repositories
[19:33] <madurey> hello?
[19:33] <nosrednaekim> hello madurey
[19:33] <madurey> hi, i got a question abt kubntu
[19:33] <mazeura_> Um, so I need to do 'sudo apt-get instal nvidia-glx-new'?
[19:34] <benpicco_> madurey: then ask it
[19:34] <flipstar> mazeura_: better use the driver provided by nvidia
[19:34] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: not so....
[19:34] <madurey> ok so i had ubuntu and it kept sho
[19:34] <madurey> showing me to start in safe graphics mode
[19:34] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: nvidia-glx-new is Version 100.14.19
[19:34] <mazeura_> On nVidia's site they do not list the 8800M GTX.  They only list the 8700M GT, they do have the 8800 GTX for the desktop however.
[19:35] <benpicco_> mazeura_: the driver is quiet generic anyway
[19:35] <flipstar> mazeura_: again..your gpu is supported see http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.12/README/appendix-a.html for details
[19:35] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: hrm... k.. i'm no expert in Nvidia's, but I though all the 8xxx were the same
[19:35] <flipstar> yeah..there probably are
[19:36] <mazeura_> so I should be able to download the 8700M GTX driver and it will work?
[19:36] <benpicco_> madurey: there is prophaly something wrong with your xorg.conf
[19:36] <madurey> oh
[19:36] <madurey> how do i fix that
[19:37] <benpicco_> madurey: paste it,, it's located in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:37] <benpicco_> !pastebin
[19:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:37] <flipstar> mazeura_: the nvidia driver is called 169.12 see http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.12.html
[19:38] <madurey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60442/
[19:39] <Nutzebahn> Hi. Does anyone know of any Kubuntu themes which are not Beryl/emerald nor compiz which would enable be to have a Vista-like desktop with multiple desktops on one screen?
[19:39] <kuil> evening all
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> Nutzebahn: those aren't themes, they are window managers
[19:40] <kuil> anyone here updated to hardy and has solved the problem with the iwl3945 wifi network module?
[19:40] <benpicco_> madurey: so you have installed the restricted nvidia driver?
[19:40] <madurey> yep
[19:40] <madurey> its fine for kubuntu
[19:40] <madurey> but ubuntu
[19:40] <madurey> had this problem
[19:41] <madurey> it would work fine for a day or two
[19:41] <BluDog_Anchorite> do i have to recompile the kernel in order to remove useless modules ?
[19:41] <madurey> then on some startups
[19:41] <madurey> it would say, need to start in safe graphics modde
[19:41] <benpicco_> madurey: it works if you use kde but does not if you switch to gnome? oO
[19:41] <madurey> yeah
[19:41] <madurey> weird eh
[19:41] <madurey> lol
[19:41] <[B00]> hehehe i had that prob with 2 diff desktops just would'nt even run as live cd in feisty
[19:41] <madurey> oh
[19:41] <flipstar> BluDog_Anchorite: you can unload modules via modprobe -r <module>
[19:42] <BluDog_Anchorite> but will they reload on next reboot ?
[19:42] <madurey> hey has anyone tried the hardy heron alpha?
[19:42] <[B00]> kubuntu has worked no probs :/
[19:42] <kuil> madurey: I am on beta since a couple of hours
[19:42] <[B00]> yeah i got it running on a desktop
[19:42] <mazeura_> so which "how to" install the 169.2 nVidia driver package do I use?
[19:42] <mazeura_> openSUSE 10.3-IA32
[19:42] <mazeura_>  openSUSE 10.3-AMD64
[19:42] <mazeura_>  openSUSE 10.2-IA32
[19:42] <mazeura_>  openSUSE 10.2-AMD64
[19:42] <mazeura_>  SUSE LINUX 10.1-IA32 / SLES10-IA32 / SLED10-IA32
[19:42] <mazeura_>  SUSE LINUX 10.1-AMD64 / SLES10-AMD64 / SLED10-AMD64
[19:42] <madurey> kuil: how you do you like it?
[19:42] <benpicco_> heck!
[19:42] <benpicco_> !nvidia
[19:42] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[19:43] <mazeura_> thanks
[19:43] <flipstar> BluDog_Anchorite: yes..you might want to blacklist them for permanently
[19:43] <kuil> madurey: well .. so far it looks really nice.. but I have a problem with my wifi card
[19:43] <madurey> ooh
[19:43] <kuil> and since i am on a laptop.. that kind of makes things .. not so nice :(
[19:43] <madurey> maybe its cuz of beta?
[19:43] <madurey> yeah
[19:43] <kuil> itwas reported as a bug in kernel 24-12
[19:43] <madurey> im using a laptop too
[19:43] <madurey> oh
[19:43] <kuil> it should work in 24-5
[19:44] <kuil> but I don't know how to downgrade (yet)
[19:44] <madurey> oo
[19:44] <ahmos> hi ,is there any way to make copying file process faster?
[19:44] <kuil> its only for iwl3945 driver
[19:44] <madurey> i just installed kubun7.10
[19:44] <kuil> (it used to be ipw3945.. that one worked)
[19:45] <BluDog_Anchorite> for example, i dont need the sony_acpi or ppc_apci, usb, or anything sound related.  its a headless server
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> ahmos: get a faster disc
[19:46] <kuil> madurey: and? what do you think of it?
[19:46] <BluDog_Anchorite> and i want to remove all those kernel mods
[19:46] <madurey> kuil: well i liked ubuntu i think ill like this too
[19:46] <madurey> i havent really played with this yet
[19:47] <madurey> has anyone used the mac4lin thing?
[19:47] <kuil> ah.. I am curious about the compiz things they have added to hardy
[19:47] <madurey> oh yeah
[19:47] <madurey> that should be nice
[19:47] <kuil> so.. looking into that (after downgrading my kernel)
[19:47] <kuil> I hope it will :)
[19:47] <madurey> lol
[19:47] <ahmos> no i have sata disks but this process in windows vista more fast than here
[19:48] <madurey> is it possible to upgrade hardy through update
[19:48] <ahmos> and i'm tring to compeletly leave windows :)
[19:48] <kuil> madurey: it is
[19:48] <kuil> on the kubuntu.org website.. there is a howto
[19:48] <kuil> if you go to the 'hardy beta released' page
[19:48] <madurey> ok noob question :wheres  the update menu thing in kde :P
[19:49] <madurey> oh
[19:50] <kuil> madurey: usually when there are package updates.. it appears in the bottom right (next to the clock)
[19:50] <DarkWizzard> Hello guys.A friend of mine just installed Kubuntu and wants to know how he could get his 5.1 Surround working
[19:50] <madurey> ooh
[19:50] <kuil> otherwise go to 'start'->system->adept
[19:50] <benpicco_> DarkWizzard: in which app?
[19:50] <madurey> oh awesome
[19:50] <DarkWizzard> amarok
[19:51] <DarkWizzard> He tried setting speaker config to 5.1
[19:51] <DarkWizzard> in the options, but it didn't work
[19:51] <benpicco_> and it does'n work? are the speakers turned on in alsamixer/kmix?
[19:51] <madurey> aw man i remember getting my sound to work on my laptop
[19:51] <masai47> when starting up it goes straight to comand line instead of graphical login screen
[19:51] <madurey> its not 5.1 but still
[19:51] <masai47> (kinit: No resume image, doing noral boot...)
[19:52] <masai47> any advice?
[19:52] <benpicco_> masai47: you can't start x manually, can you?
[19:52] <masai47> how? I have no coand line experience
[19:53] <benpicco_> masai47: (sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start or just startx)
[19:53] <Kejk_PL> masai47: you probably need to reconfigure X
[19:53] <benpicco_> prophaly it's something wrong with your configuration (/etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[19:54] <Kejk_PL> masai47: typy: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[19:55] <masai47> x is not installed
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> masai47: are you running hardy?
[19:56] <benpicco_> masai47: erm, why? did you choose server install?
[19:56] <masai47> I initialy instaled ubuntu, but wanted to try KDE, now it starts up Kubuntu but I loginto gnome
[19:57] <masai47> I am running the most recent release
[19:57] <kuil> masai47: gnome probably is the default desktop
[19:57] <masai47> it is
[19:58] <kuil> if you have kdm .. you should see in the bottom right of the login screen a 'menu thingy'
[19:58] <kuil> if you go there.. I think there is an option to login to kde
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> gdm has the same thing FYI, but on the bottom left
[19:58] <masai47> could not get kde desktop to work right so always used gnome as the default
[19:58] <kuil> (there are other options there at least)
[19:58] <kuil> nosrednaekim: ah.. thx :)
[19:58] <masai47> I am in a text only environent
[19:58] <masai47> no idea why
[19:58] <masai47> just went into it at startup
[19:59] <kuil> hmmm..
[19:59] <masai47> (kinit: No resume image, doing noral boot...)?
[19:59] <DarkWizzard> benpicco_: he tried setting it to 6 channel mode in kmix, but nothing
[19:59] <kuil> masai47: that is ok
[19:59] <kuil> resume image is when you used hibernate
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> masai47: thats ok, that just means you didn't hibernate last time
[19:59] <masai47> ok
[20:00] <kuil> are there any (ERR) strings in your xorg.log file? (in /var/log)
[20:00] <masai47> I just jave no command line experince and so have no idea what anything means
[20:00] <kuil> something like cat /var/log/Xorg*.log | grep ERR
[20:00] <masai47> I dont know?
[20:00] <masai47> I am a beginer to linux
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> masai47: so you have a console? did you try running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"?
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> masai47: thats ok :) we'll fix it
[20:01] <masai47> I think it did it
[20:01] <masai47> soething about overwriting possibly-custoised configuration
[20:02] <masai47> sorry about typing, I am using a strange keyboard
[20:02] <masai47> it lists where the backup is
[20:03] <masai47> but stil comandline interface
[20:03] <nick_> hey i have a question kde4 alpha 6 work well ?
[20:03] <benpicco_> kde4 alpha? do you call it that way? ;)
[20:03] <benpicco_> it's called stable...
[20:03] <nick_> ok
[20:04] <nick_> but i only ee alpha
[20:04] <nick_> so alpha = stable
[20:04] <benpicco_> 4.02 is already out
[20:04] <jpatrick> !hardy > nick_
[20:04] <nick_> i only got beta
[20:04] <nosrednaekim> nick_: you mean the hardy alpha 6?
[20:04] <benpicco_> !kde4
[20:04] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:04] <nick_> do you have the web page for the good download
[20:04] <nick_> nvm lol
[20:05] <masai47> should I restart (and what is the comand)?
[20:05] <benpicco_> masai47: restart what?
[20:05] <benpicco_> masai47: the whole computer? (re)starting x should be enough
[20:05] <nick_> do he have it in kubuntu ?
[20:06] <masai47> ok
[20:06] <masai47> how do I start x?
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> masai47: if you ran that command, now run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[20:07] <masai47> stopping GNOME Display Manager...
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> masai47: oh... umm, hit control+c... we actually only need to start it
[20:08] <masai47> not starting GNOME display manager (gdm); it is not the default display manager.
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> masai47: ah.. ok, then run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"
[20:08] <kuil> kdm restart then instead I guess
[20:08] <kuil> :)
[20:09] <nick_> i not find the good web site for download kde 4.02 in a dvd or cd
[20:09] <masai47> kdm already running
[20:09] <nosrednaekim> masai47: replace the start with restart then
[20:09] <benpicco_> !tell kde4 nick_
[20:09] <nosrednaekim> nick_: use the hardy CD or the gutsy liveCD
[20:09] <benpicco_> !tell nick_ kde4
[20:10] <nick_> ok but what is the link
[20:10] <benpicco_> nick_: just listen tu ubotu
[20:10] <masai47> that looks like it did it
[20:10] <benpicco_> !kde4
[20:10] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> masai47: you see kdm? awesome :)
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> masai47: now, you probably don't have 3d acceleration any more.
[20:11] <benpicco_> nick_: oh, i just see that it doens't link to the wiki article...
[20:11] <masai47> it brought up the log in screen, I looged in normal to gnome
[20:11] <masai47> and my background is changed
[20:11] <masai47> but that stuff does not matter much
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> this is recovery mode... that may have something to dow ith that
[20:12] <nick_> so its again a beta
[20:12] <masai47> maybe new question, how do I make it use Ubuntu instead of kubuntu
[20:12] <benpicco_> nick_: you need to add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to your sources.list
[20:13] <benpicco_> masai47: sudo apt-et install ubuntu-desktop
[20:13] <benpicco_> *apt-get
[20:13] <nick_> kubuntu-8.04-beta-dvd-i386.iso that the good one ?
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> nick_: uhh, no, it should have kde4 in the name somwhere
[20:13] <benpicco_> nick_: you can use kde4 in 7.10, too
[20:14] <nick_> yes buyt i don't know how to install it in my 7.10
[20:14]  * benpicco_ wonders if there is really no translation of http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/KDE4
[20:15] <benpicco_> nick_: first you need to add the kde4 repo to your /etc/apt/sources.liist
[20:15] <nick_> how
[20:15] <nick_> :)
[20:15] <benpicco_> nick_: therefore you add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[20:15] <benpicco_> than you do a sudo apt-get update
[20:16] <nick_> where i put this ?
[20:16] <benpicco_> nick_: at the end of the file
[20:16] <nick_> ok butr where
[20:16] <masai47> it was already installed
[20:16] <benpicco_> nick_: do a sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:16] <masai47> how do I make it default
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> masai47: you want it to use gdm? run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm"
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> from a terminal
[20:17] <benpicco_> nick_: (or kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list if you like this better)
[20:18] <masai47> I did that
[20:18] <masai47> it said it would when all sessions had restarted
[20:18] <nick_> i got a error when i try to whrite in  :(
[20:19] <masai47> I loged out and got a crazy screen
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> masai47: that means reboot :)
[20:19] <masai47> and had to force reboot
[20:19] <masai47> I did and now it is working
[20:19] <nick_> nvm
[20:19] <masai47> though it still starts from Kubuntu
[20:20] <masai47> but then goes to GNOME
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> masai47: you mean the splash says kubuntu?
[20:20] <masai47> no, now the splash says ubuntu
[20:20] <masai47> so thans
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> masai47: ok, great :)
[20:20] <masai47> and I got back some capabilities I was missing
[20:20] <masai47> thanks a lot
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> no problem
[20:21] <masai47> I love the fact that I can get on IRC and get live help from the comunity
[20:23] <nick_> after put in the source list what i do ?
[20:23] <benpicco_> nick_: update the packet list by sudo apt-get update
[20:24] <nick_> ok after ?
[20:25] <nick_> apt-get upgrade ?
[20:25] <benpicco_> nick_: now you can install kde4 packets, you find a list in http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/KDE4#head-89b73a72707a1f359e78497256348c258a97021a under "KDE 4.0 installieren" (german, sorry)
[20:26] <nick_> i do upgrade and its work
[20:27] <benpicco_> well, basically you do sudo apt-get install kde4-core kdebase-workspace kdebase-kde4 kdebase-runtime kdeadmin-kde4 kdeartwork-kde4 kdeedu-kde4 kdegames-kde4 kdegraphics-kde4  kdemultimedia-kde4 kdenetwork-kde4 kdesdk-kde4  kdetoys-kde4  kdeutils-kde4
[20:27] <benpicco_> to get all kde4 apps
[20:27] <benpicco_> nick_: no, you install kde4 parallel to kde3
[20:27] <nick_> i know
[20:29] <hydrogen> !kde4
[20:29] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:33] <ahmos> hi, what i can install for playing flv files ,and to convert it to avi?
[20:34] <Nickui> where can i download the kde4 package without kubuntu?
[20:34] <benpicco_> vlc player can do ahmos
[20:34] <benpicco_> Nickui: you can use it in ubuntu, too, or what do you mean?
[20:35] <ahmos> thank's going to try
[20:36] <Nickui> I need to download kde4 to use on ubuntu http://www.kde.org/download/ do i have to download these files seperatly?
[20:36] <jpatrick> !kde4 | Nickui
[20:36] <ubotu> Nickui: KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:36] <p-f> When I press fn+standby, my dell 640m inspiron goes to sleep properly, but upon reopening the lid, it boots back up from scratch as though I had completely shut it down. What would be a likely cause of this? Are there any specific log files that might provide a clue?
[20:37] <benpicco_> Nickui: just add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to you sources.list, do a sudo apt-get update and finally install sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace kdebase-kde4 kdebase-runtime kdeadmin-kde4 kdeartwork-kde4 kdeedu-kde4 kdegames-kde4 kdegraphics-kde4 kdemultimedia-kde4 kdenetwork-kde4 kdesdk-kde4 kdetoys-kde4 kdeutils-kde4
[20:38] <benpicco_> oh, kde4-core is missing in the list
[20:39] <benpicco_> jpatrick: the problem is that http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php doesn't tell about the ubuntu packages
[20:39] <jpatrick> benpicco_: they are Ubuntu packages
[20:40] <JasonWard> Hi. I need help installing some -dev versions of some packages. can you help me please?
[20:40] <benpicco_> jpatrick: oops, I should learn to read..
[20:42] <Nickui> benpicco_ sorry but i don't understand i'm new to ubuntu what do i have to do exactly?
[20:43] <JasonWard> I can't get the commands right in sudo apt-get install <package> .      This is the list of things I need.  http://nopaste.com/p/aYP9v8LEr
[20:47] <coreymon77> JasonWard: umm, if you cant use apt properly, are you sure you want to be doing development? :P
[20:49] <andycr> Hi, I am writing a KDE 4  application and would like to know the best way to create a "project view" type widget
[20:49] <JasonWard> I can program. I am just new to linux. I know apt is easy but only when you have the package names correct. they should put in autocomplete. for python dev package I try    sudo apt-get install lib-python-dev
[20:49] <andycr> In the past I used a tree widget and went through the files manually adding them to the tree
[20:49] <andycr> But there has to be a better way
[20:50] <andycr> Whoops, wrong channel.
[20:50] <coreymon77> JasonWard: erm, abd whats the matter with that
[20:51] <jussio1> JasonWard: 1. there is autocomplete, use tab. 2. I think you may be after python-dev ?
[20:52] <jussio1> JasonWard: also, to search apt for packages, use: apt-cache search keyword>
[20:52] <CSlime> Revelations 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" He who hears, let him say, "Come!" He who is thirsty, let him come. He who desires, let him take the water of my peenis freely.
[20:53] <JasonWard> jussio1: thanks.
[20:53] <JasonWard> CSlime: some people may take offense to that
[20:56] <marjan> where can i D/l or make my kopete a "live messanger"
[20:56] <Cannoli> hiya
[20:57] <Cannoli> ~ marjan ~ in the options there should be a skins tab
[20:57] <BluesKaj> I wonder what kind of thrill these idiot trolls get from such a statement. They prolly feel totally powerless in their lives otherwise.
[20:57] <Cannoli> check that
[20:57] <Cannoli> to uninstall kubuntu, cna i just erase the paritions then make them back into ntfs?
[20:57] <wad> Is there any way to get a list of packages that I've already installed? Meen looking through the dpkg man pages, not finding any way...
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: better switch back to the windows bootloader
[20:58] <wad> s/Meem/Been/ #good grief
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> wad: yes, one moment
[20:58] <Cannoli> nosrednaekim sorry what do u mean?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> Cannoli, we're here to help ppl run (k)ubuntu , not delete it.
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> wad: dpkg -l (thats a small L)
[20:59] <wad> ah
[20:59] <wad> thanks, nosrednaekim!
[20:59] <Cannoli> well then maybe u can help me in another then
[20:59] <Cannoli> thing*
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: ask in #windows
[21:00] <Cannoli> i have a new hdd and i wanna make that strictly kubuntu, i was going to delete kubuntu off current hdd and reinstall it
[21:00] <Cannoli> is there any other way to go abt this?
[21:00] <kallepersson> Hi!
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> do you have windows on the one hard drive?
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> hey kallepersson
[21:00] <kallepersson> I'd like to install KDE 4 on my Ubuntu (note, not Kubuntu) desktop.
[21:00] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: ##windows ;)
[21:00] <kallepersson> Is it just to do a "sudo apt-get install kde4" ?
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> kallepersson: after adding the repositories, yes
[21:01] <kallepersson> nosrednaekim: where might I find those?
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: eh.. #windows redirects there anyway
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> !kde4 | kallepersson
[21:01] <Cannoli> ~ nosrednaekim ~ i have windows on drive 1, kubuntu/windows stuff on drive 2, empty drive 3
[21:01] <ubotu> kallepersson: KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:01] <kallepersson> Kudos!
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: those are drives, or partitions?
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> oh.. drive.. ok :)
[21:02] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: are there more than one partition on the second drive?
[21:02] <Cannoli> yep
[21:02] <JasonWard> jussio1: that autocomplete is extremely dodgey. it barely works. even when I type somthing I am sure of it doesn't always work
[21:02] <Cannoli> ntfs, linux, linux memory (i forgot wht its called) and one more parition also for linux
[21:02] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: ok, yes, you can just reformat the linux partition as ntfs, but install Linux on the other drive first so you have a working grub boot loader
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: swap :)
[21:03] <Cannoli> haha yes thts it :)
[21:03] <jussio1> JasonWard: it works excellently, try pressing tab several times to show all the possibilities
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> do you have a separate /home?
[21:03] <Cannoli> one is /home, one is  root (i think thts wht its called) and one is swap
[21:03] <Cannoli> srry im still new to kubuntu
[21:04] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: why do you want to reinstall?
[21:04] <Cannoli> i want to reinstall to the new empty hdd
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> but why? for more space?
[21:05] <Cannoli> yeo
[21:05] <Cannoli> yep*
[21:05] <Cannoli> i want to make my second hdd fully ntfs so i have more spaec for my windows crap
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> ah, ok. then install Linux on the thrid drive first, doing multple partitions as before, then copy all the data in your old /home to the new /home, then you can wipe those partitions
[21:06] <jussio1> Cannoli: you can use ext3 in windows
[21:07] <myrtille> @jussio1 how?
[21:07] <jussio1> !ext3
[21:07] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[21:07] <jussio1> myrtille: there is a driver see the bot response
[21:07] <flipstar> fs-driver still doesnt work good for me ..
[21:07] <jussio1> not for the windows partition, but for storage
[21:07] <coreymon77> meh
[21:08] <jussio1> flipstar: worked great for me
[21:08] <coreymon77> when i wanted a win-lin shared storage partition, i just saved the trouble and made it fat32
[21:08] <kuil> anyone konws of an alternative for knetworkmanager?
[21:08] <flipstar> jussio1: explorer always crashes when accessing very large directorys (much files)
[21:08] <kuil> *knows
[21:08] <marjan_> dude i dont wanna look like live messanger i wanna act like one
[21:09] <myrtille> @jussio1 thx, I've been using something called ext2ifs-0.3 which didn't really do the trick
[21:09] <Cannoli> ~ nosrednaekim ~ so after reinstall and copy, do i just make the old partitions into ntfs, thus deleteing kubuntu from that drive?
[21:09] <myrtille> i'll try the other one  :)
[21:09] <jussio1> marjan_: you may want to try kmess
[21:09] <ubuntu> .
[21:09] <ubuntu> &nick kubuntu25
[21:09] <kristjan_> how is it possible that "apt-cache search beryl" won't show up anything?
[21:09] <flipstar> !beryl | kristjan_
[21:09] <ubotu> kristjan_: Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[21:09] <coreymon77> kuil: ya, iwconfig, the cli method
[21:10] <BluesKaj> myrtille, ext2ifs-0.3 is an app for to access linux from windows , i think
[21:10] <myrtille> yes
[21:10] <coreymon77> kuil: i use a combination of iwconfig, the kwifimanager package, settting some stuff in the Network Settings part of system prefs
[21:10] <BluesKaj> for to doh
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: that is correct
[21:11] <jussio1> ubuntu: use /nick newnick
[21:11] <Cannoli> kk thanks alot for your help
[21:11] <kuil> coreymon77: I'd like something that works in a surrounds that I don't knkow up front (converences for example)
[21:11] <coreymon77> Cannoli: wait, are you getting rid of kubuntu?
[21:11] <kuil> so something like a client to select the network woujld be nice
[21:12] <kuil> but knetwork manager seems a bit buggy still
[21:12] <Cannoli> ~ coreymon77 ~ more like moving it
[21:12] <coreymon77> Cannoli: phew, you had me worried
[21:12] <Cannoli> haha
[21:12] <jussio1> kuil: there is wifi radar, dont know how good it is though
[21:13] <kuil> jussio1: I will try.. thanks
[21:14] <jussio1> kuil: just before you do, i personally have never tried it, so at your own risk
[21:14] <kuil> sure
[21:14] <kuil> it always is :)
[21:14] <jussio1> :)
[21:21] <stefano> how can i control speedstepping with powernowd in kde4? my cpu keeps clocking down automatically
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> stefano: install either kpowersave or kde-guidance-powermanager
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> there is no kde4 application to do that ATM
[21:23] <stefano> nosrednaekim: i'll try that, thanks
[21:24] <kuil> hmm.. jjust tried compiz.. but somehow it really does slowdown my system :(
[21:24] <kuil> typing in a fullscreenwindow appears really slow
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> kuil: do you have the graphics drivers required?
[21:25] <kuil> nosrednaekim: hmm.. not really sure.. I do have my full resolution as it seems..
[21:26] <stefano> nosrednaekim: thanks a lot, it works very well
[21:26] <ksut> hi everyone
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> kuil: what graphics card?
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> hey ksut
[21:26] <ksut> is there anyway to share my cd drive over nfs? I'd like to be able to share my cd drive with my mac, and I have other nfs shares accessible on the mac from my linux box, but I can't seem to find a way to get the cd drive to export
[21:27] <kuil> nosrednaekim: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> ksut: you probably have to share your /media/cdrom
[21:27] <kuil> in kcontrol it sais driver i810
[21:27] <kallepersson> nosrednaekim and ubotu : thanks for the help, KDE4 up and running now
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> kuil: ah, ok, that is correct I believe, ask if there are any problems with that driver in #compiz-fusion
[21:28] <ksut> nosrednaekim: That's what I thought would work...but I get an error when I restart the nfs server "exportfs: Warning: /media/cdrom0 does not support NFS export."
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> kallepersson: how do you like it?
[21:28] <kuil> nosrednaekim: thanks
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> ksut: thats wierd!
[21:29] <ksut> nosrednaekim: I figured it might not work right when there isn't a disc in the drive and its not mounted, but I have a disc mounted in that directory and it gives that error.
[21:29] <kallepersson> nosrednaekim: it's nice.
[21:29] <dergringo> My battery monitor does not show up in tray anymore. How can I start it again? (hardy beta)
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> dergringo: run "guidance-power-manager"
[21:30] <ksut> nosrednaekim: I just realized, I think I copied the options from another share that had writable set, which it might not like for the cd directory. I'll try changing it, but it seems like it would give a different error if that was the problem
[21:31] <ksut> nosrednaekim: nope, same error...
[21:31] <dergringo> nosrednaekim: shows me an exception and can't be started. Well this problem exists since I upgraded. Do I have to wait for an update?
[21:31] <nosrednaekim> dergringo: pastebin the error, I am somewhat familiar with the code
[21:31] <cq> hello, i have a question with 7.10... I have a pcmcia card that needs the poldhu driver, i installed pcmcia-source and linux source, compiled and make isntalled it, but it still doesn#t recognize the card...
[21:31] <cq> any ideas?
[21:32] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: what did you change?
[21:33] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: bug day link: s/13/20
[21:33] <nosrednaekim> ah
[21:33] <nosrednaekim> uhh.... the 20th is over as well.
[21:33] <MiraiWarren0_0> Hi!
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> hello MiraiWarren0_0
[21:34] <Cannoli> you cnat install ddr2 ram in sdram slot can you?
[21:34] <coreymon77> hey there MiraiWarren0_0
[21:34] <Daisuke_Ido> >_<
[21:34] <coreymon77> Cannoli: ...
[21:34] <Cannoli> yes?
[21:34] <jpatrick> coreymon77: watch out, I might flood you off
[21:34] <flipstar> maybe with a hammer or so
[21:35] <Daisuke_Ido> it's going to require a dremel, but SURE you can!
[21:35] <Cannoli> :O
[21:35] <Cannoli> i have a dremel!
[21:35] <Cannoli> XD
[21:36] <Daisuke_Ido> however, it won't work :)
[21:36] <Cannoli> so is it that it wont fit?
[21:36] <nosrednaekim> ksut: this is all I can find http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=564635
[21:36] <Cannoli> cause i have 1 ddr slot empty
[21:37] <Cannoli> and i dont know wht kinda ram i can put into it
[21:37] <Cannoli> :(
[21:37] <nosrednaekim> uhh DDR
[21:37] <dergringo> Cannoli: No, you can't ;)
[21:37] <Cannoli> lmao
[21:37] <Cannoli> im so bad at this
[21:37] <Cannoli> XD
[21:37] <Arwen> DDR sure is a boring game >_>
[21:37] <Cannoli> i shouldnt even be using linux XD
[21:38] <nick_> i can't install sim city societies in cedega plz help :(
[21:38] <Arwen> well, I'm personally of the opinion that anyone can learn Linux
[21:38] <Arwen> just that a lot of people aren't willing
[21:38] <dergringo> nick_: use wine
[21:38] <Cannoli> well im willing
[21:38] <ghendar> woohoo  loving the Beta... but I have a silly question... is their going to be an online upgreade path from HardyBeta->Hardy?
[21:38] <Cannoli> um just not taht knowledgeable ...yet
[21:38] <Arwen> nick_, WINE's about as good as Cedega now
[21:39] <dergringo> wine is way better
[21:39] <nick_> Arwen:  umm wine work for app not for 3d app
[21:39] <dergringo> in my oppinion
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> nick_: we do not support cedega here
[21:39] <nick_> on cedega no one answer :(
[21:39] <nick_> nvm
[21:39] <dergringo> nick_: It seems that it does not work with wine either: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9945&iTestingId=18766
[21:41] <ghendar> When Hardy is official can a user upgrade directly from the Beta or will it require a reinstall?
[21:41] <jpatrick> ghendar: upgrade from beta is possible
[21:41] <ghendar> jpatrick: yay thanks
[21:41] <ksut> nosrednaekim: this looks useful, I'll take a look at it. Thanks
[21:42] <Arwen> I always reinstall anyway, but it is indeed possible
[21:42] <Daisuke_Ido> nick_, BZZT wrong.  wine is better than cedega these days.  try it in wine, then ask
[21:42] <nick_> i try it lol
[21:42] <nick_> i not see colors in wine
[21:42] <nick_> all grey
[21:42] <Arwen> anyway, Sim whatever doesn't work in WINE because it requires a DRM driver to check the CD
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> nick_: please ask in #winehq, we do not support wine here either
[21:43] <nick_> ok
[21:43] <ghendar> Arwen: I do myself to, but I'd like to install it on my gf's 'puter but then I have to fly back to Boston next week and she'll be on her own ;/
[21:44] <ghendar> Arwen: her current system isn't liking Gutsy much
[21:44] <Arwen> my system isn't liking Hardy much, go figure :-\
[21:45] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm wondering how much i'll like hardy...
[21:45] <flipstar> any of you tried gnome 2.22 ? how is it compared with kde3 ?
[21:45] <philipp__> Weiß jemand wie man den nervigen bug loswird das die kontrollleiste nicht mehr wieder kommt wenn sie sich mal eingeglappt hat?
[21:45] <jpatrick> !de | philipp__
[21:45] <ubotu> philipp__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:46] <ghendar> I'm just miffed that 3.5.* isn't LTS... I've been dying for a more recent LTS KDE release
[21:46] <jpatrick> !khardy | ghendar
[21:46] <ubotu> ghendar: Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 4 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported.
[21:46] <philipp__> sorry.... i have installed my system a few minute before
[21:46] <flipstar> guess you cant compare them anyway..
[21:46] <ghendar> jpatrick: like I said... it's not LTS
[21:47] <Arwen> flipstar, GNOME 2.22... more bloat, less performance, and still no features
[21:47] <flipstar> hm
[21:47] <MiraiWarren0_0> Is it possible to get the kubuntu-desktop package from windows, and then switch it over to ubuntu for the desktop?
[21:47] <dergringo> flipstar: GNOME is much easier to handle.
[21:47] <philipp__> does someone know how i can fix the bug that i cant open the taskbar when i have activated hyding
[21:47] <ghendar> MiraiWarren0_0: you can access it on the CD
[21:48] <MiraiWarren0_0> I have the cd that came with the "Ubuntu Book" and I did not find it.
[21:48] <ghendar> MiraiWarren0_0: I meant the Kubuntu CD.. sorry
[21:49] <jpatrick> MiraiWarren0_0: kubuntu-desktop will not be enough to install Kubuntu on GNOME
[21:49] <jpatrick> MiraiWarren0_0: it needs all the packages it actually depends on
[21:49] <MiraiWarren0_0> jpatrick: How would one get those to work together?
[21:50] <ghendar> MiraiWarren0_0: you can also do a "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" from the terminal in ubuntu and it will download everything that Kubuntu has
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> MiraiWarren0_0: you don't have access to the internet from within ubuntu?
[21:50] <jpatrick> MiraiWarren0_0: I suggest doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from Ubuntu..
[21:50] <flipstar> philipp__: there should be an button to unhide at the left or right side depends on what you'd choosed
[21:51] <MiraiWarren0_0> nosrdnaekim: I use netzero dialup which does not support linux.
[21:51] <ghendar> ok... I have to get back to building this server... peace out all
[21:51] <jpatrick> ghendar: good luck
[21:53] <nosrednaekim> MiraiWarren0_0: well, downloading kubuntu over dial-up isn't going to be fun...
[21:54] <Daisuke_Ido> shipit would be the best idea -_-
[21:54] <Daisuke_Ido> and it would still get there in less time than it would take to download it
[21:54] <nosrednaekim> lol
[21:54] <Arwen> shipit = when you get your discs, the next version is out
[21:54] <Angelus> guys
[21:54] <Angelus> any bugs found in kubuntu beta?
[21:55] <jpatrick> Angelus: see the /Problems on the beta link in /topic
[21:56] <Angelus> ok dude :P
[21:56] <flipstar> wow only 2 bugs listed there
[21:57] <Angelus> yeah the microsoft bug and a kde-4 bug :o
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: also, you might ask if there are any major bugs in #ubuntu+1
[21:57] <flipstar> bug #1 is a major problem
[21:57] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: yo
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> uhhhh Angelus :)
[21:57] <Angelus> btw
[21:57] <Angelus> anyone tried the wubi thing that the new kubuntu has?
[21:58] <flipstar> cant..
[21:58] <Arwen> nope
[21:58] <Angelus> the one that installs kubuntu as a normal application in windows and dual boot from the windows boot loader?
[21:58] <flipstar> or does it run trough wine ?
[21:58] <Arwen> I have about 100MB free on my Windows partition, wouldn't work out fer me
[21:58] <Arwen> flipstar, no, it wouldn't :)
[21:59] <philipp__> There is a new version of Ubuntu since 7.10?
[21:59] <Angelus> Arwen: 100Mb aint enough , minimum is 4G if im noit mistaken
[21:59] <Angelus> ';p
[21:59] <flipstar> nope (no stabel)
[22:00] <Angelus> philipp__: a beta one released today, not stable.
[22:00] <flipstar> Angelus: yesterday :P
[22:00] <Angelus> i live in the past :p
[22:00] <Angelus> lol
[22:00] <flipstar> philipp__: ubuntu is released in cyles..every 6 months
[22:00] <philipp__> debents where you are
[22:00] <Angelus> 21/03/08
[22:00] <Angelus> time : 23:00
[22:01] <philipp__> seems like my adept is updating to 7.10.... i thougt that is my actual version
[22:01] <nosrednaekim> philipp__: that might be that bug in adept
[22:01] <Angelus> philipp__:  thats a bug in adept if its a fresh install
[22:01] <Angelus> once you run the updates it will be removed
[22:01] <Angelus> DONT DO THE VERSION UPGRADE
[22:02] <flipstar> the date on cdimage.ubuntu is 20-Mar-2008 22:43
[22:02] <philipp__> to late
[22:02] <Angelus> :/
[22:02] <Angelus> probably you'll have fun doin a format :p
[22:03] <philipp__> i have abroat while he has installed the "changeings" but he was by 0% when i abroate
[22:03] <philipp__> do you think i need a reinstall of ubuntu now? :S
[22:04] <flipstar> guess this was a bad joke
[22:04] <philipp__> lol
[22:04] <philipp__> however
[22:04] <philipp__> seems i need a restart
[22:04] <philipp__> by than
[22:05] <stefano> where can i enable the unified menubar at the top?
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> stefano: in kcontrol->desktop IIRC
[22:05] <flipstar> Angelus: was a joke or ?
[22:05] <Angelus> flipstar: what was a joke ? :o
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> stefano: under behavior
[22:06] <flipstar> @_Ω
[22:06] <stefano> nosrednaekim: i can't find it (it's a localised version)
[22:07] <stefano> desktop, appearance, window properties, notifications (that's what i have under Appearance & Behaviour)
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> stefano: kcontrol->desktop->behavior
[22:09] <stefano> under desktop i just have effects, screensaver and app launcher
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> stefano: are you in kde4?
[22:09] <stefano> oh, i thought i'd mentioned it. yes
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> oh..lol, then you can't have the macOS style deskbar
[22:10] <[ka]killer> hey
[22:10] <stefano> that's too bad then :>
[22:11] <[ka]killer> why would one of my drives be flaged with a cvs-conflict?
[22:11] <flipstar> stefano: you could still use kooldock..
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> stefano: in the future, please ask kde4 questions in #kubuntu-kde4, it avoids such confusions
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: thats not what he is asking about
[22:11] <flipstar> oh
[22:12] <maduser> are there any free screen recorders for linux?
[22:12] <[ka]killer> anyone?
[22:13] <flipstar> maduser: gtk-recordmydesktop maybe
[22:13] <[ka]killer> first off
[22:13] <cq> I have an eth1 wireless card, how do I get it to connect to a certain wireless network?
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> maduser: screencast
[22:13]  * [ka]killer installs kubuntu-desktop on the other computer
[22:14] <[ka]killer> i cant f***ing stand gnome >_<
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> [ka]killer: nver seen that error
[22:14] <[ka]killer> its a marker on the drive
[22:14] <cq> I run knetworkmanager and nothing happens...
[22:14] <[ka]killer> first off im going to install kde... i really cant stand gnome
[22:16] <jckffyi> I have a second hard drive connected to my computer, it is the exact same size as the hd inside my computer, If I run dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb will dd properly copy all my stuff to a new drive? Or do I need to add other options to the end of dd?
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> jckffyi: that should do it
[22:17] <jckffyi> thanks
[22:17] <pat5star> cq: if you right click on knetworkmanager in your task bar, does it show you wireless networks?
[22:18] <cq> pat5star: nope, nothing comes up
[22:18] <sourcemaker> it is realy critical to enable the kubuntu backport repository?for example there is a amarok update... 1.4.8... but only in unsupported repo
[22:19] <pat5star> cq: then if you right click, options, is wireless 'enabled' selected?
[22:22] <cq> right-click where? no network manager comes up!
[22:22] <jckffyi> will that dd command also backup the MBR?
[22:22] <pat5star> cq: u mean knetworkmanager won't even start?
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> jckffyi: someone just asked that, I forget though.... I think it does
[22:22] <cq> its managing the eth0 connection (LAN)
[22:22] <cq> but can't get it to look at eth1
[22:23] <pat5star> cq: if you open a term and type ifconfig, what interfaces are up and running?
[22:23] <[ka]killer> ok
[22:23] <[ka]killer> im going to kill this computer >_<
[22:25] <[ka]killer> wtf
[22:25] <jpatrick> [ka]killer: evening
[22:25] <[ka]killer> when i try to install the kubuntu-desktop package under ubuntu it asks me to insert the ubuntu 7.04 disk into the cd drive o_o
[22:25] <cq> eth0 eth1 eth1:avah (no clue what that is) and lo
[22:25] <[ka]killer> wtf is going on
[22:26] <pat5star> [ka]killer: cause you have your sources set to check cd
[22:26] <jpatrick> !ohmy | [ka]killer
[22:26] <ubotu> [ka]killer: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:26] <[ka]killer> sorry
[22:27] <sourcemaker> it is safe to install ubuntu-backports?
[22:27] <jpatrick> sourcemaker: sure
[22:28] <cq> ok, got into knetworkmanager, it's the icon in the tray...
[22:28] <benpicco> Hi, when I want to run an older app on a cd, I always get "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", I have libstdc++.so.6.0.9, but linking doesn't work (causes an error when I want to start the app)
[22:28] <sourcemaker> jpatrick: great
[22:28] <sourcemaker> jpatrick: thanks... I will try this
[22:28] <cq> how can I detect networks?
[22:28] <pat5star> cq: what have you done (if anything) to get your wifi card working? are you using ndiswrapper or a driver for it?
[22:28] <cq> its an old 3com card, I compiled and installed the poldhu driver for it
[22:28] <benpicco> I have all libstc++ or libc6 stuff intalled avaliable in the repos
[22:29]  * Jucato pokes nixternal... you left a spot...points to the corner
[22:29] <pat5star> cq: ok ok, if wireless is enabled under options, do you see any networks listed when you right click knetworkmanager?
[22:29]  * nixternal pokes Jucato in the eye
[22:29]  * Jucato runs
[22:29] <nixternal> would be nice if you could just clear all of the bans at once
[22:29] <jpatrick> yeah..
[22:30] <[ka]killer> baaaa got it
[22:30] <Jucato> konvi feature request? :)
[22:30] <pat5star> cq: you can also type 'iwlist scan' from a term
[22:30] <nixternal> irssi feature request
[22:30] <cq> nope, just disable wireless or switch to offline mode... shoudl be 4 nets around here
[22:30] <nixternal> actually, IRC feature request
[22:30] <[ka]killer> cant wait to have kde over there.... im so dam tired of gnome
[22:30] <sourcemaker> Are there futher cool repos? http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/850188
[22:31] <cq> shows 2 networks
[22:31] <nixternal> ah ah ah, no recommending non Ubuntu repos in here
[22:31] <nixternal> they lead to nothing but headaches
[22:31] <nixternal> especially in 23 days when 8.04 is released
[22:31] <cq> including mine which has a hidden ssid
[22:32] <pat5star> cq: on what interface?
[22:32] <cq> eth1, the wireless card
[22:33] <cq> eth0 the lan is connected with dhcp
[22:33] <pat5star> cq: oh ok, so eth1 is your wireless nic
[22:33] <nixternal> hahaha
[22:33] <shulman__> I'm currently running edgy and I'd like to go up to the latest version. Should I reinstall or can I upgrade via apt-get?
[22:33] <nixternal> damn
[22:33] <cq> yes
[22:33] <jpatrick> nixternal: hahahah
[22:33] <jpatrick> opps
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> !language | nixternal
[22:33] <ubotu> nixternal: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:33] <cq> shulman: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade?
[22:33] <pat5star> cq: are you on another computer
[22:33] <cq> yes
[22:34] <nixternal> ahhh, nosrednaekim has jokes :p
[22:34] <cq> i can unplug the eth0 if needed
[22:34] <sourcemaker> where is ther repository for kde.3.5.9?
[22:34]  * nosrednaekim has Op XD
[22:34] <shulman__> cq: I thought dist-upgrade didn't exist as an option until feisty fawn?
[22:34] <cq> not sure, i know it from debian where it's been around for a long time
[22:34] <pat5star> cq: i was going to suggest that, then type dhclient in your term, and in another term, tail -f /var/log/daemon.log
[22:35] <nixternal> w00t!
[22:35] <nixternal> 17:35:00 Irssi: >>> No bans in #kubuntu
[22:35] <nixternal> now don't make us change that :p
[22:35] <jpatrick> nixternal: we have to +b those..
[22:35] <nixternal> why?
[22:35] <pat5star> cq: you'll be able to watch your logs and see what is happening, let me know if you get any kind of errors
[22:35] <jpatrick> err, wait never mind
[22:35] <nixternal> hehe
[22:35] <cq> pat5star: too early, I need to give it the wireless key first before it can get the IP, no?
[22:35] <nixternal> those are some super old bans, plus they are 99% ops bots
[22:36] <pat5star> cq: is your wireless encrypted?
[22:36] <cq> yes,,,
[22:36] <shulman__> cq: My main concern is that I'm running a software RAID (mirror) on the OS disks, so I am concerned that any upgrade attempt will erase the root disks
[22:37] <pat5star> cq: hmmm, the easiest way to do that is through knetworkmanager, but I don't know why it's not displaying your networks
[22:37] <cq> afaik no updates should erase any disks, they will only update software.  Backing up is still always a good idea... could be that there are some driver update troubles etc, better to be safe
[22:38] <cq> how can I track that?
[22:38] <shulman__> thanks... will do
[22:39] <pat5star> cq: can you turn off wep/wpa for a couple of minutes to just see if you can get a wifi connection first, then we go from there
[22:39] <sourcemaker> does hypernate works for linux?
[22:39] <nixternal> :p
[22:40] <cq> system just crashed when I tried the dhclient...
[22:40] <jpatrick>  /ar nixternal we don't believe in warning shots either
[22:40] <pat5star> cq: what did daemon.log say
[22:40] <cq> got an address for eth0, didn't get one for eht1
[22:41] <nick_> why 8.04 not have kde4 ?
[22:41] <pat5star> cq: so your cable still plugged in? unplug it, try dhclient again, and watch logs
[22:41] <cq> but the weird thing is, the router isn't even showing the acess...
[22:41] <jpatrick> nick_: it does
[22:41] <nick_> how i enable it then ?
[22:41] <jpatrick> nick_: the kde4 cd
[22:41] <nick_> yes but its like the kde 3
[22:42] <cq> hm, what's the key combination to get to the console if X crashes?
[22:42] <cq> used to be alt-f1 or something like that
[22:43] <pat5star> alt f4
[22:43] <pat5star> or any f key below 7
[22:43] <z> hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 100 .... any one has a solution for that
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> cq: ctrl+alt+f1
[22:43] <pat5star> cq: oops, forgot the ctrl key too
[22:44] <diego> hi
[22:44] <z> hi
[22:44] <cq> just did a hard reset, nothing doing.
[22:44] <cq> booting up without a net cable
[22:44] <cq> I need to select which wireless net it should connect to before it can do anything with DHCP
[22:46] <pat5star> cq: after you reboot, does knetworkmanager list your wifi network now?
[22:46] <d3jake> This is going to be a stupid question, but my moniter is set to a resolution that I know it can handle, however now, to get to the rest of ym desktop, I have to move my mouse into a corner and make the whole thing "scroll" to get to the non-shown parts. Any clue what's up?
[22:49] <cq> ok now I have something where I can see the eth0 and eth1 interfaces, specify the SSID and the key (in Hex)
[22:50] <pat5star> cq: ok good, should work for you now after you enter that info
[22:51] <jussio1> d3jake: iirc, remove/comment the virtual part in your xorg.comf
[22:51] <jussio1> xorg.conf*
[22:51] <cq> it wants the WEP key, I'm using a WPA key...
[22:51] <jussio1> !wpa | cq
[22:51] <ubotu> cq: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:52] <cq> thanks, was jsut googling for that
[22:52] <jussio1> cq: :)
[22:53] <d3jake> Ah, thanks jussio1
[22:53] <d3jake> what dir is that in again..?
[22:54] <jussio1> d3jake /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:54] <d3jake> Thanks
[22:54] <d3jake> comment out is #, right?
[22:54] <jussio1> d3jake: yes
[22:54] <d3jake> ah, good
[22:55] <jussio1> you can also add a preffered mode, but I dont remember the syntax, so ask mr google that one ;)
[22:55] <d3jake> hehe
[22:55] <d3jake> I just want it not this way, I can worry about fancy stuff later
[22:56] <jussio1> d3jake: yeah, but Im just getting ahead if Im wrong ;)
[22:57] <alex__> did anyone else's network manager become useless after the update?
[22:58] <jussio1> alex__: gutsy or hardy?
[22:58] <alex__> hardy
[22:58] <jussio1> alex__: hardy in #ubuntu+1
[23:03] <cq> OUCH.  I just tried to install kwlan, it removed libc6, everything crashed, now on booting into recovery mode I get a HD error "attempt to access beyond end ov device" ...
[23:03] <sudobash> do you get a prompt at all?
[23:04] <cq> nope, at some point I get ext3-fs errors
[23:04] <sudobash> have you tried booting a different kernel?
[23:04] <cq> i only have the one kerne
[23:04] <cq> l
[23:04] <sudobash> yeah....ummm
[23:05] <cq> this happens when trying to mount the filesystem
[23:05] <sudobash> yeah
[23:05] <sudobash> one second
[23:05] <cq> if I boot from CD, how can I 'fix' the system on the HD?
[23:05] <cq> I can't scroll back or I could give you the exact point
[23:06] <[ka]killer> well apparently restarting fixed the hdd permissions o_o
[23:06] <[ka]killer> still installing kde on the dam thing
[23:06] <sudobash> cq you need to do a fsck
[23:07] <d3jake> jussio1 Will it say exactly "virtual" somewhere?
[23:07] <cq> I need to do this tomorrow, to tired now to mess with this... thanks for all the help though.
[23:07] <sudobash> sudo touch /forcefsck
[23:07] <jussio1> d3jake: yes...
[23:07] <sudobash> wait one second
[23:07] <d3jake> sorry, I was afk for a few minutes
[23:07] <cq> boot off the CD; and touch that on the HD fs?
[23:07] <sudobash> boot live cd... mount partition... and then: sudo touch /forcefsck
[23:08] <sudobash> wait
[23:08] <jussio1> d3jake: Im off to bed.
[23:08] <d3jake> Okay
[23:08] <d3jake> thanks!
[23:08] <d3jake> I'll figger it out
[23:08] <d3jake> I hiope
[23:08] <d3jake> -i
[23:08] <sudobash> that will force fsck on reboot
[23:08] <sudobash> but you will want to run fsck while in ubuntu live cd
[23:09] <sudobash> but you will unmount before you run fsck
[23:09] <andy_> #xbins
[23:09] <sudobash> that is critical
[23:09] <[ka]killer> humm... forgot kubuntu-desktop didnt install kde Dx
[23:10] <sudobash> did you get that cq?
[23:10] <cq> shouldn't journaling prevent this sort of thing?
[23:10] <d3jake> yay! it worked
[23:10] <d3jake> anyway...
[23:10] <sudobash> what kind of pc is it?
[23:10] <cq> yes, trying it now, booting CD into safe graphics mode
[23:11] <cq> old fujitsu siemens AMD processor
[23:11] <sudobash> it will have to be a live cd
[23:11] <sudobash> because you have to unmount your partition
[23:11] <cq> yes, off the live cd
[23:11] <sudobash> to run fsck
[23:11] <sudobash> or it might screw your disk up if you run fsck while drive is mounted
[23:13] <nick_> how i change language in kde 4
[23:13] <cq> ok, thanks for the help... I'll work on this tomorow.
[23:13] <sudobash> cool
[23:13] <sudobash> later
[23:13] <cq> I copied your info sudobash
[23:13] <[ka]killer> ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:13] <sudobash> Happy Easter :)
[23:14] <sudobash> sorry about the crash
[23:14] <nick_> thanks
[23:14] <cq> can you have a look at what adept does on 7.10 when you try to install kwlan? It removed networkmanager and knetworkmanager and libc6 I think...
[23:14] <cq> that shouldnt be allowed to happen (at least libc6)
[23:14] <cq> no problem, happens when playing with old drivers
[23:16] <NickPresta> What is the name of the KDE application which allows me to easily rip CDs?
[23:17] <cq> Nick: google that sentence and you land at KIO and amarok
[23:18] <NickPresta> cq, I'm not looking for Amarok. It is something more specific. Perhaps kaudiocreator
[23:18] <cq> cd-paranoia?
[23:19] <NickPresta> I'm going to give kaudiocreator a try. I'll then try cd-paranoia. Thanks.
[23:19] <cq> grip or sound juicer could work too
[23:24] <joh6nn> as near as i can figure out, when i try to run a command from alt+f2, KDE is ignoring my $PATH.  anyone know why that might be?
[23:27] <Arwen> wtf is it with people referring to KDE and GNOME as window managers...
[23:27] <Arwen> THATS WRONG
[23:31] <joh6nn> Arwen: both KDE and Gnome, to my understanding, make use of customized window managers on top of X
[23:31] <joh6nn> in KDE it's called KWin.  don't know what it is off the top of my head in gnome
[23:31] <Arwen> they do, but they are not in of themselves window managers
[23:31] <joh6nn> ...
[23:32] <stabbymctwist> gnome's is metacity, isn't it?
[23:32] <Arwen> yes
[23:32] <gtt> is there a keyboard shutcut for maximize the window I'm missing?
[23:32] <gtt> in KDE 3.5
[23:32] <joh6nn> well, if we're gonna get that technical, linux isn't an OS, either.
[23:32] <joh6nn> but that's a level of pedantry that's usually frowned upon
[23:32] <Arwen> no, it isn't
[23:33] <Arwen> Ubuntu is an operating system. Linux is not.
[23:33] <joh6nn> let me amend, then:
[23:33] <joh6nn> Stop being so pedantic. period.
[23:33] <ere4si> !ot
[23:33] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[23:34] <Arwen> no thanks
[23:34] <Arwen> using words the right way is never a bad thing
[23:34] <joh6nn> i didn't suggest that it was
[23:35] <Arwen> you accused me of being pedantic for doing so
[23:36] <joh6nn> no, i accused you of being pedantic for throwing a fit over other people being wrong, not for you being right.
[23:38] <NDPTAL85> The reason why pedantry is frowned upon is that it is a never ending pit of darkness. Nothing productive is said while one person is arguing with another over how correct they are in the proper usage of a phrase or term.
[23:38] <stabbymctwist> hmm, seems familiar
[23:39] <joh6nn> NDPTAL85: also, it makes you sound like a jerk
[23:42] <joh6nn> anyway, anyone know why the alt+f2 dialog would (seemingly) ignore my $PATH ?
[23:44] <ramzay> Где я ?
[23:45] <ramzay> Where i am ?
[23:45] <flipstar> irc
[23:46] <savetheWorld> west of the FSU
[23:46] <ramzay> = )
[23:48]  * pat5star wonders what pedantic means
[23:48]  * pat5star wonders if he is pedantic
[23:49] <ramzay> Can i use Photoshop CS on Linux without WINE?
[23:49] <joh6nn> pat5star: pedantic means you nitpick over details that don't make very much difference
[23:49] <cpk1_> I think you could buy crossover or cedega instead of using wine
[23:49] <joh6nn> ramzay: no, there's no native version of Photoshop for Linux
[23:50] <joh6nn> cpk1: both cedega and crossover are forks of wine, i think.
[23:50] <joh6nn> i know crossover is
[23:50] <Daisuke_Ido> both are
[23:50] <pat5star> joh6nn: lol, thx...I looked up the definition and got this: ostentatious of learning
[23:50]  * pat5star wonders what ostentatious means
[23:50] <pat5star> lol
[23:50] <Daisuke_Ido> and you will need Wine, google's been throwing money at it left and right in order to improve compatibility with photoshop
[23:50] <Daisuke_Ido> so it's getting a LOT better with every release
[23:51] <flipstar> google ?
[23:51] <flipstar> google invests in wine ?
[23:51] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[23:51] <flipstar> wow
[23:51] <joh6nn> flipstar: google's taking potshots at microsoft, so wine is a great investment for them
[23:51] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm thinking perfect by .9.61
[23:51] <flipstar> make sense
[23:51] <Daisuke_Ido> google
[23:52] <joh6nn> google is actually thinking about giving Yahoo money just to keep microsoft from buying them
[23:52] <BluesKaj> pat5star, ostentatious=showoff
[23:52] <Daisuke_Ido> err...  stupid enter key.  google's the only one big enough to take potshots at MS without fear of suddenly no longer existing.
[23:52] <nick_> how to put the icone bar in the right side
[23:53] <pat5star> BluesKaj: thx. I gave up looking up definitions. definition for ostentatious I got was: Fond of, or evincing, ostentation; unduly conspicuous;   pretentious; boastful
[23:53]  * pat5star needs a simple mans dictionary
[23:54]  * BluesKaj likes " showoff " better :)
[23:55] <pat5star> BluesKaj: I would have understood that right away :)
[23:55] <[ka]killer> lol
[23:55] <[ka]killer> bah install faster KDE D=
[23:55] <pat5star> Why would google be affected or care if ms bought yahoo?
[23:55] <ramzay> Ok could you tell me what program of reading iso files is better ?
[23:55] <pat5star> competition for the ad revunue market I suppose?
[23:55] <[ka]killer> some how it would effect their business
[23:56] <pat5star> s/revunue/revenue/
[23:56] <[ka]killer> o i found out something intresting the other day
[23:56] <[ka]killer> sudo rm -rf / works on macs as well as linux boxes
[23:57] <pat5star> [ka]killer: I'll try that right now, brb
[23:57] <[ka]killer> xD
[23:57] <ramzay> rm -rf/ What is it ?
[23:57] <pat5star> :P
[23:57] <[ka]killer> we were bored (got 6 new imacs in school for a maclab) and we found the terminal =P
[23:57] <stabbymctwist> nw there's proper use of school machines
[23:57] <[ka]killer> my class (honors comp programing) is setting the network up and everything
[23:58] <pat5star> I like running chown -R root:root / myself
[23:58] <joh6nn> pat5star: google cares because Yahoo is google's only real competition in the world of search.  MS's Live search is crap.  so if MS buys Yahoo, then google's main competitor overall (MS) suddenly has a new useful weapon (Yahoo search)
[23:58] <[ka]killer> lol
[23:58] <Daisuke_Ido> !danger | ramzay
[23:58] <ubotu> ramzay: DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you!
[23:58] <[ka]killer> we got bored again... and started playing with vnc
[23:58] <[ka]killer> and seeing who could take control of the most computers in the lab
[23:59] <ramzay> to ubotu: don't worry i am not stupid
[23:59] <stabbymctwist> sin't ubotu a bot?
[23:59] <flipstar> yup
[23:59] <stabbymctwist> isn't**
[23:59] <[ka]killer> now i dont know if you done this, but whne more then one person remotes into a mac, apparently one person does not get control of the mouse, and it fights between the 2 or more people for who controls the mouse