[00:00] <oxigen> dang, my bronken en: :)
[00:01] <oxigen> why java need so many symlinks anyway!? :/
[00:02] <oxigen> oh, yea and there is also blackdown java!
[00:04] <Flannel> oxigen: Because java is a behemoth
[00:04] <oxigen> well,  file libjavaplugin_oji.so libjavaplugin_oji.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
[00:04] <Dr_willis_> its amazing how complex java can be.
[00:04] <oxigen> is 32bit obviously
[00:04] <oxigen> but where is 64 bit then!?
[00:05] <oxigen> gee
[00:05] <Muelli> can anyone explain update-initramfs to me? I have a script called local-top/cryptroot and it contains calls to "udevadm". In all my current initrds, I have calls to "udevsettle". So I run "sudo update-initramfs -u" in order to update my initrds, e.g. updating that cryptroot script to not call udevsettle anymore. But it doesn't work: If I unpack the newly created initrd, calls to udevsettle are the
[00:05] <Muelli> re
[00:05] <RAOF> oxigen: 64bit Java browser plugin?  There isn't one.
[00:05] <RAOF> oxigen: Well, not an official one.
[00:06] <oxigen> blackdown, huh?
[00:06] <RAOF> And, I think, icedtea (which should work better)
[00:06] <ogre> is java fixed?
[00:06] <RAOF> ogre: Is java broken?
[00:07] <ogre> RAOF:  i had issues with it
[00:07] <oxigen> icedtea is some new thing?
[00:07] <setuid> Anyone seeing this? http://rafb.net/p/t1MnRf27.html
[00:08] <oxigen> oh, java --version gives me error, that's new here i think!
[00:08] <oxigen> Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine. :/
[00:09] <flipstar> try java -version
[00:09] <twosouls82> why doesn't /dev/disk/by-uuid exist when I boot into recovery mode?
[00:10] <jer132> I was under the impression that Sun Java was going to be broken (for some people) in Hardy final due to issues that sun aren't going to fix until Java 7.
[00:10] <savvas> hm..
[00:11] <savvas> beta source on cdimage?
[00:11] <martalli> wow, a broken java would be a really big deal, especially for an lts release
[00:11] <flipstar> savvas: also images
[00:11] <martalli> I doubt that's the case for the final release
[00:11] <martalli> kubuntu is only on dvd images currently
[00:11] <setuid> hrmph, this is weird
[00:12] <oxigen> err, that was my syntax..
[00:12] <oxigen> i have IcedTea 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.7.0-b24, mixed mode)
[00:12] <savvas> flipstar: the only thing i see is the source iso, is that it?
[00:12] <bazhang> kubuntu beta is on cd
[00:12] <flipstar> savvas: oh, right but they say releasing is in progress
[00:13] <setuid> apt-file is broken (again), as is libapt-pkg-perl
[00:13] <setuid> crap
[00:13] <savvas> ah oki doki
[00:13] <flipstar> i just looked for the kde version
[00:13] <bazhang> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/beta/
[00:14] <savvas> also the countdown in the wiki release info isn't working: https://www-admin.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown
[00:14] <flipstar> on http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ are more images
[00:15] <savvas> sweet :)
[00:15] <savvas> thanks
[00:15] <martalli> the kde-4 version has cd images, but the kde-3 has only dvd images
[00:15] <martalli> Well, why looka gift horse in the mouth?  I have a dvd drive
[00:16] <martalli> I'll bet there will be cd images before my dvd is downloading =)
[00:16] <jer132> I'm confused by this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=730343
[00:16] <flipstar> martalli: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu
[00:16] <jer132> Is the beta out or not?
[00:16] <martalli> well, you are right...I was looking at: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/beta/
[00:16] <martalli> hmmm
[00:17] <martalli> thx, flipstar
[00:18] <flipstar> hm wired i didnt get an announce mail yet
[00:18] <jer132> That's what I was wondering.
[00:18] <jer132> Are we downloading the wrong version?
[00:18] <Jaymac> no
[00:18] <Jaymac> there was nothing there until an hour or two ago; if it's up, it's the beat
[00:18] <Jaymac> beta*
[00:19] <jer132> Then why does the forum admin say otherwise: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=730343
[00:19] <flipstar> maybe there still syncing or so
[00:19] <Jaymac> he doesn't want people breaking the servers
[00:19] <Jaymac> like happened with the release of gutsy
[00:20] <jer132> well it's not a final.  So I wouldn't be that worried
[00:20] <andre3> I just tried today's daily DVD ISO, and the keyboard doesn't work at the boot screen. So I can't boot neither in live mode nor the installation.
[00:20] <andre3> Anyone else seen that?
[00:20] <savage_machine> hi. i just upgrade to hardy and i have this error when running gnome-setings-daemon : The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'.
[00:20] <flipstar> andre3: yes..with a ms keyboard on some distros..
[00:21] <andre3> flipstar: This is a Logitech keyboard. Gutsy works fine.
[00:21] <oxigen> i have ln -s /usr/local/firefox32/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so which is also 32bit, but still no luck, what's wrong with it?
[00:23] <b47619> beta has been released!
[00:23] <b47619> !hardy
[00:23] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[00:23] <b47619> The Beta haas been Released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[00:23] <flipstar> cool down its still not official
[00:23] <oxigen> axisys_ & RAOF: do you use 64 bit release?
[00:24] <RAOF> Yup.
[00:24] <oxigen> RAOF: and you have working ff java plugin?
[00:24] <b47619> still something!
[00:24] <RAOF> I don't know.  Websites seem to work, but I don't know if any of them use Java :)
[00:25] <savvas> b47619: thanks, we know :)
[00:25] <Jaymac> there's an announcement on the planet: http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[00:25] <oxigen> RAOF: can you see this chessboard? http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1415886
[00:26] <b47619> i can't
[00:26] <setuid> Jaymac, I hope you don't mean a beta of Hardy went out
[00:27] <setuid> it's terribly broken right now, because their version of perl was compiled wrong
[00:27] <Jaymac> setuid, i'm just watching the fun from the sidelines :)
[00:27] <Jaymac> the beta is up, but not officially released
[00:27] <setuid> Oh, it'll get colorful shortly... like the glibc breakage a few days ago
[00:27] <Jaymac> heh
[00:27] <Jaymac> i'll upgrade next week I think
[00:28] <Jaymac> just running it in a vm at the moment
[00:28] <setuid> try running apt-file
[00:28] <setuid> The version of perl build here was built threaded... BAD move on 64-bit arch
[00:28] <setuid> So everything breaks... gzip, compress, scalars, everything
[00:29] <Jaymac> you've just upgraded recently?
[00:29] <Jaymac> to the new perl
[00:29] <jer132> *puts Hardy back in the oven*
[00:29] <setuid> A few hours ago
[00:29] <Jaymac> ouch
[00:29] <setuid> it was a new install
[00:30] <jer132> has the issue been flagged?
[00:30] <setuid> No idea
[00:30] <b47619> Hardy isn't done yet...
[00:30] <b47619> juet beta1
[00:30] <oxigen> huh, that perl thing sound scary
[00:31] <b47619> it is just a programming language
[00:31] <jer132> there's only one beta.
[00:31] <Jaymac> b47619, if the perl libraries are broken
[00:31] <setuid> b47619, Sure, and the same one used to run about 80% of the udev, init scripts and other things on the system
[00:31] <setuid> perl -MScalar::Util -MData::Dumper -e 'print Dumper(\%INC)'
[00:32] <setuid> Run that, and tell me the path where Scalar/Util.pm is seen
[00:32] <setuid> Ok, fixed...
[00:32] <Jaymac> '/usr/lib/perl/5.8/Scalar/Util.pm
[00:33] <setuid> The version of Scalar::Util shipped with 64-bit Hardy, was built with a 32-bit threaded perl
[00:33] <Jaymac> but then again, i'm on gutsy and it's working fine :)
[00:33] <setuid> And it was in /usr/local/lib/perl5/.../Util.pm
[00:33] <setuid> I blew it away, and the one in /usr/lib/perl5/ was also failing
[00:33] <setuid> so I force-installed the latest via CPAN, and now it works
[00:33] <flipstar> when i tested the 18.03 build it was okay ..
[00:33] <setuid> perl -MCPAN -e 'force install "Scalar::Util"'
[00:37] <ethana2> my mom is making me pillow cases
[00:37] <ethana2> one's going to have Tux embroidered on it
[00:37] <agroker> after playing with compiz, gtk widgets under gnome dissappeared - how to get them back?
[00:38] <ethana2> the other, the ubuntu logo
[00:39] <oxigen> agroker: did you try to disable compiz and enable it again?
[00:39] <agroker> oxigen, I purged it, it did nto help
[00:40] <jer132> Is the Ubuntu Logo copyright protected?  :)
[00:40] <oxigen> oh, purge?!
[00:40] <agroker> oxigen, yes, purged
[00:41] <EdwardXp3> what the hell
[00:41] <EdwardXp3> why would it matter
[00:41] <EdwardXp3> hehe
[00:41]  * agroker puzzled
[00:41] <oxigen> agroker: why? system > preferences > appearance
[00:41] <oxigen> is better way probably
[00:42] <ccooke> ... No updates to hardy? since some time yesterday? gosh.
[00:42] <agroker> oxigen, where exactly under appearance - no option would bring the widgets back
[00:43] <oxigen> you purged .. :)
[00:43] <agroker> I'll bring it back in a moment...
[00:44] <agroker> oxigen, playing with visual effects helped, thanks
[00:45] <oxigen> np
[00:46] <oxigen> some 64 bit java guru around? :)
[00:49] <oxigen> at least my 64 bit blender work!
[00:49] <oxigen> but not smooth with compiz :(
[00:51]  * oxigen hopes that will be blender & compiz issue fixed soon
[00:51]  * oxigen likes both
[00:53] <agroker> what does compiz really bring? I mean, who needs it for everyday work?
[00:53] <RAOF> agroker: Faster UI, useful window management.
[00:53] <benplaut> wait, hold on a sec... the beta is out?!
[00:53] <benplaut> waste of a disk, i just burned a6 ten minutes ago...
[00:54] <agroker> benplaut, ;-)
[00:54] <agroker> RAOF, ok, I'll bring it back and give it another try
[00:54] <benplaut> well... that makes me much more comfortable using a pre-release
[00:55] <RAOF> benplaut: Just upgrade your A6 install.  It's (very nearly) exactly the same thing.
[00:55] <brian__> Hmm I only see the source on the cdimages site must be a while longer yet for the binaries..
[00:56] <benplaut> RAOF, luckily, i didn't install yet... just burned
[00:57] <flipstar> benplaut: thats why i use cd+rw's :)
[00:58] <benplaut> but then you won't be able to go back in twenty years and say "Oh, the 8.04 alpha!  I remember when they screwed up........"
[00:59] <ethana2> benplaut: i may just remember libc6 when i'm 30
[00:59] <flipstar> thats why we have the internet :P
[00:59] <ethana2> yeah, pretty much
[00:59] <benplaut> -.-
[00:59] <ethana2> a lesson on the meaning of 'alpha'
[01:00] <ethana2> ...so 'cause its beta now, that won't happen again, right?
[01:00] <flipstar> this happens from time to time also to an final
[01:05] <setuid> Did someone figure out the key repeat bug?
[01:05] <setuid> Or is that still outstanding?
[01:06] <setuid> Hrm, gnome-appearance-properties is also broken on 64-bit. Can't change wallpapers or themes.
[01:13] <ethana2> thank goodness for potrace
[01:13] <ethana2> ...ok, got the ubuntu icon ready for my mom to embroider, color wise, 6 scans
[01:14] <leftyfb> fucking comcast
[01:14] <leftyfb> hardy beta probably had hundreds of people downloading/seeding ... yet i'm only connected to 40 at 30k/s
[01:14] <ethana2> they'll get theirs, lefty
[01:15] <ethana2> ..and by the way
[01:15] <ethana2> !ohmy
[01:15] <leftyfb> no they won't
[01:15] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[01:15] <leftyfb> sorry
[01:15] <ethana2> they will, we'll make sure of it
[01:15] <ethana2> www.copowi.com
[01:15] <flipstar> im speading kde via p2p ..
[01:15] <ethana2> if they're available in your area, switch
[01:15] <leftyfb> even if the FCC wins their legal case, the FCC has no legal authority to force comcast to make any changes to their network
[01:23] <skwashd> hi
[01:23] <skwashd> where can i get a hardy iso from atm?
[01:23] <skwashd> alpha6 has gone from cdimage ... and the beta isn't there yet
[01:24] <cmorgan> kde4 doesn't appear to be performing any of the desktop effects. running nvidia proprietary driver and latest hardy, how can i debug further?
[01:24] <flipstar> skwashd: just wait a second or use http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[01:25] <skwashd> flipstar: thanks ... would have been nice to delete the old versions _after_ uploading the new
[01:26] <flipstar> skwashd: the mirrors are syncing now i guess
[01:27] <skwashd> this was cdimage.ubuntu.com ... anyway ... i have what i need now ... thanks for the info
[01:27] <eklof> Oh, beta is out ?
[01:29] <eklof> Anyone using Landscape btw ?
[01:35] <flipstar> okay..beta is now official released (still 14 minutes ago) :)
[01:36] <benplaut> (torrenting...)
[01:37] <Martinp23> Something strange just happened to me while browsing through g-s-m.  An (porn) image flashed up for a fraction of a second, taking up the whole right side of the screen as far as I could see.
[01:37] <setuid> Anyone know if there is a fix for the key repeat bug?
[01:37] <setuid> Turning off key repeat in GNOME doesn't help
[01:37] <benplaut> Martinp23, contextual advertising
[01:37] <benplaut> that's what was on your mind
[01:38] <RAOF> setuid: Yes: downgrade to xserver-xorg-core 2:1.4-3
[01:38] <setuid> This seems to help also:
[01:38] <setuid> xset r rate 1000 50
[01:38] <Martinp23> benplaut: hah
[01:39] <Martinp23> benplaut: No it's just strange.  I wondered if I'd imagined it, but part of the gnome-panel is still "cut through" by it.
[01:39] <benplaut> lol
[01:39] <benplaut> uh... spyware?
[01:40] <setuid> RAOF, Where can I pick up that older package?
[01:40] <RAOF> setuid: Um, somewhere.  You may be able to find it on launchpad.
[01:40] <Martinp23> Mmm maybe - there was a dodgy "explorer.exe" process running, location "c:/[.....]", which seemed *very* strange.
[01:40] <agroker> Martinp23, you must be enlightened enough to distinguish porno image from erotic one in a fraction of a second :-)
[01:40] <setuid> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/x11/xserver-xorg-core
[01:40] <flipstar> Martinp23: this is probably wine
[01:40] <Martinp23> Although I wonder if that's actually part of wine
[01:40] <Martinp23> yeah
[01:41] <Martinp23> agroker: :p
[01:41] <agroker> Martinp23, I guess Ralph Yarro would be happy to built you in into his CP80 matrix :-))
[01:42] <Martinp23> agroker: Haha it wasn't that bad. :D
[01:42] <Martinp23> s/it wasn't/I'm not/
[01:43] <setuid> RAOF, I can't seem to find it in the repo
[01:44] <RAOF> setuid: You may wish to ask DanaG; they found the old package.  I'm simply git-bisecting Xorg now.
[01:44] <setuid> Thatt's what I'm about to do
[01:45] <Martinp23> Though this image flashing looked like something like xteddy (ie didn't have a window border around it - that I saw)... strange.
[01:45]  * Martinp23 will wait to see if anyone else experiences it, as a bug report would probably be ridiculed :p
[01:48] <slavi1> why does tracker get paused by system?
[01:48] <setuid> RAOF, http://altruistic.lbl.gov/mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.4-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[01:48] <setuid> Will that work on x86_64?
[01:48] <agroker> Martinp23, what's g-s-m anyway?
[01:49] <jscinoz> i hate regressions >_<
[01:49] <Martinp23> gnome-system-monitor , agroker
[01:49] <jscinoz> did anyone else notice in the most recent alsa update, the option with the snd-hda-intel driver "use microphone as output" went away?
[01:49] <jscinoz> i need that option but its gone now :(
[01:50] <agroker> Martinp23, whatever you are smoking I want the same!
[01:50] <sleepster> would anyone know how to get ubuntu VNC server to see both monitors
[01:50] <sleepster> I am connecting to my machine through VNC and it only reads one
[01:50] <Martinp23> agroker: lol :D
[01:50] <Martinp23> agroker: It did happen... it's just slightly unbelieveable :(
[01:50] <Dr_willis__> sleepster,  what vncserver are you using?  vnc is a ratehr complex thing. You mean you are using the gnome-vnc stuff to share the existing desktop?  thats not quite the same as running a vncserver.
[01:51] <sleepster> oh :) well I am running the vnc server thing provided with ubuntu :)
[01:51] <agroker> Martinp23, if you can't recreate it resist from submitting a bug report for a while
[01:51] <sleepster> dr_willis meaning, I went to the remote_desktop configuration and enbalbed it
[01:51] <agroker> Martinp23, may be an Easter egg, who knows
[01:51] <Dr_willis__> sleepster,  its possible your vnc client needs to  have some scroll bars/settings to scale. I always go the Other way. :) i have the vnc session of the remote box on the 2nd monitor.
[01:51] <Martinp23> agroker: Yeah I will.  I've no idea what process caused it so a bug report would offer no value anyway.
[01:52] <Martinp23> haha how appropriate
[01:53] <m1r> i have little problem , i downloaded beta1 and i dont have emty cd's at hand , only dvd's , can i install iso on dvd normaly ?
[01:53] <flipstar> yes
[01:53] <leftyfb> yes
[01:53] <m1r> tnx
[01:53] <Dr_willis__> i have never been able to  burn a cd iso to a dvd disk.
[01:53] <Dr_willis__> at least not and have them WORK. :)
[01:54] <Saraphim> Is it possible to upgrade to Hardy without using a cd/dvd?
[01:54] <leftyfb> it works just fine
[01:54]  * agroker wonders if that would work with LAser Disk?
[01:54] <leftyfb> yes
[01:54] <flipstar> Saraphim: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[01:54] <leftyfb> Saraphim: gksudo update-manager -d
[01:54] <leftyfb> remove all non-official repositories first
[01:54] <flipstar> no need for gksudo
[01:54] <flipstar> no need for that either
[01:54] <leftyfb> and preferably uninstall non-standard packages as well
[01:55] <leftyfb> it certainly helps
[01:55] <flipstar> update-manager will do this on its own
[01:55] <leftyfb> lets it go much smoother
[01:55] <setuid> RAOF, Reading the bugreports on this, it seems a kernel update fixed it, then broke it again for hundreds of people
[01:55] <Saraphim> Thank you kindly :)
[01:58] <ViO> hello fellow ubuntu'ers
[01:58] <Saraphim> Okay, that update -d bit is reaaally smooth
[01:59] <ViO> the question was.. "hi guys, how do i fix my cpu speedstep in oh-holy-ubuntu 8.04 ?"
[01:59] <LeerokLacerta> What is update -d?
[01:59] <Saraphim> sorry, update-manager -d
[01:59] <LeerokLacerta> Ah.
[01:59] <Saraphim> Was expecting to sift through my sources.list forever
[01:59] <leftyfb> man update-manager
[01:59] <leftyfb> LeerokLacerta: man update-manager
[01:59] <DanaG> RAOF: any news on the bisecting?  I hadn't heard anything about it.
[02:00] <LeerokLacerta> Hmm!
[02:00] <LeerokLacerta> It appears that I do not have update-manager installed.
[02:00] <ViO> sry to intrude.. just buzz me when some1 has the answer.. or knows where to find it.. it's draining my laptop battery quickly
[02:01] <leftyfb> of course you do
[02:01] <LeerokLacerta> No man entry.
[02:01] <LeerokLacerta> leerok@MagnaLacerta:~$ man update-manager
[02:01] <LeerokLacerta> No manual entry for update-manager
[02:01] <leftyfb> what OS are you running?
[02:02] <LeerokLacerta> Ubuntu.
[02:02] <LeerokLacerta> Kubuntu 7.04, specifically.
[02:02] <leftyfb> what version?
[02:02] <RAOF> DanaG: I'm doing it now.  But git is composed _entirely_ of rough edges, and the X server doesn't exactly build in moments.
[02:02] <leftyfb> ah
[02:02] <leftyfb> kubuntu
[02:02] <leftyfb> there's the issue
[02:02] <LeerokLacerta> 7.10, actually.
[02:02] <leftyfb> I don't know the update manager in kubuntu
[02:02] <LeerokLacerta> I had installed it from a CD at 6.10 and upgraded.
[02:02] <flipstar> update-manager is also in kde
[02:03] <LeerokLacerta> I just use apt-get.
[02:03] <LeerokLacerta> Easiest thing ever.
[02:03] <ViO> lmao
[02:03] <flipstar> update-manager gives you a nicer overview :)
[02:03] <Saraphim> Taste and preference. :-)
[02:03] <LeerokLacerta> I love not needing to go to a website to manually download, then run a programme to install everything.
[02:03] <flipstar> says what changed and stuff
[02:04] <DanaG> How long does it usually take, anyway?  I've never built Xorg myself.
[02:04] <Saraphim> LeerokLacerta: update-manager does that too
[02:04] <LeerokLacerta> I don't care what changed and stuff, I just want to install.
[02:04] <DanaG> Just one build, I mean.
[02:04] <RAOF> DanaG: A couple of minutes, give or take
[02:04] <LeerokLacerta> I'm sure update-manager does, but I've used apt-get for years.
[02:04] <Saraphim> LeerokLacerta: The thing is, you need new repositories and things, apt-get does not handle that for you afaik.
[02:04] <LeerokLacerta> I was once on Knoppix, before I found Ubuntu.
[02:05] <LeerokLacerta> Nope, but I can handle that.
[02:05] <ViO> <-- having HUGE issues with his battery coz of the speedstep..
[02:05] <LeerokLacerta> Besides, I use apt-proxy so I need to do it manually anyway.
[02:05] <ViO> buzz me.. i'm impatient..
[02:06] <flipstar> ViO: sudo /etc/init.d/laptop-mode start .. ?
[02:06] <hackeron_> is there anyway to record from line-in and use skype or any other voip at the same time? - It seems I have to select my source to be either the microphone or line-in - is there no way to do both?
[02:06] <Flannel> hackeron_: It's rude to cross post
[02:06] <ViO> flipstar: might be the magic words..
[02:06] <hackeron_> Flannel: why, it broadens the audience
[02:06] <Dr_willis__> hackeron_,  you want to record your skype session?
[02:07] <flipstar> ViO: probably wont change anything to the cpu
[02:07] <hackeron_> Dr_willis__: no, I want to record from line-in and I don't want it to interfere with my skype session
[02:07] <setuid> There's a tool to do that
[02:07] <ViO> flipstar: oh? got a c2d 2.2ghz
[02:07] <ViO> could use the cpu-cool-down mode
[02:08] <ViO> ^^
[02:08] <ViO> it did something though
[02:08] <ViO> the usage went down to 15w from almost 19
[02:08] <DanaG> powertop is cool.
[02:08] <ViO> got a led screen & other nifty stuff on my santarosa platform here..
[02:09] <ViO> could use the "save some power" mode =)
[02:09] <ViO> do i have to go laptop-mode on every restart?
[02:09] <hackeron> Dr_willis__: sorry got disconnected
[02:09] <flipstar> you could just enable it in services
[02:09] <flipstar> ViO: ↑
[02:10] <ViO> flipstar: i'm just a ubuntu noob..
[02:10] <ViO> linux in general..
[02:10] <ViO> yet the alpha is very stable..
[02:10] <ViO> for me
[02:10] <flipstar> just search for services or so in menu..i dont run gnome..
[02:10] <nikrud> any pointers, gotchas anyone has seen in the beta install yet?
[02:10] <Martinp23> agroker: I suspect it could be in some way related to this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311783 , just by the fact it could easily have been something in a banner popup or whatever.  At least now I'm able to feel for myself that I'm not totally insane :p
[02:11] <ViO> really starting to like services..
[02:11] <ViO> i mean the search BAR
[02:11] <Martinp23> Looks fairly rare whatever it is, and I doubt it's reproducable
[02:12] <ViO> flipstar: seems like i don't have the su enabled to modify things there.. like non su mode (everything is gray'ed)
[02:13] <agroker> Martinp23, it seems this bug really discloses your recent browsing history :-)))
[02:13] <Martinp23> agroker: lies.  :p
[02:13] <asdrubal> Why did ubuntu get rid of the bug report for cx88-alsa?
[02:13] <asdrubal> there is no cx88-alsa module anymore
[02:13] <asdrubal> cx88-alsa.ko was removed from the kernel
[02:13] <asdrubal> I don't understand why
[02:14] <Martinp23> agroker: I didn't recognise the image.... so I suppose it probably came form sometihng I ignore, like an ad.  Ahh well
[02:14] <agroker> Martinp23, you make it worse, realize? ;-))
[02:14] <Martinp23> :p
[02:15] <agroker> asdrubal, I think ALSA has been replased with pulse-audio
[02:16] <RAOF> No matter how many people say that, it's _still_ not the case ):
[02:16] <asdrubal> uhm.. pulse audio is a layer on top of alsa
[02:16] <nikrud> yummy, no more alsa ;)
[02:16] <agroker> RAOF, what ppl and what not the case?
[02:16] <DanaG> Why is PulseAudio installed by default, if none of the GUI tools are installed?
[02:16] <asdrubal> I want to know if ubuntu plans on dropping support for a linux kernel module I use every day?
[02:16] <jimmygoon> the "beta" didn't include many update
[02:16] <RAOF> DanaG: Because it's still a better ESD than ESD, so you can have system sounds?
[02:17] <jimmygoon> thats a crazy bug
[02:17] <DanaG> They should also add the libasound2-plugins and asoundconf set-pulseaudio, then.
[02:17] <nikrud> jimmygoon: thats actually a good thing, probably means all that's left is polishing with only a few serious bugs
[02:17] <asdrubal> I don't like the way ubuntu is forking the linux kernel
[02:17] <asdrubal> it is causing way too many problems
[02:17] <Saraphim> Say what now?
[02:18] <jimmygoon> nikrud, absolutely. a few of my major show stopper problems ( that have really been problems since feisty) have been resolved. tomorrow I hope to test a couple of other things and test dist-upgrade on a friend's pc to see how "seemless" it is
[02:18] <jimmygoon> forking the kernel?
[02:18] <DanaG> More like 'remixing' than 'forking'
[02:18] <asdrubal> alsa is completely hosed
[02:19] <nikrud> jimmygoon: been checking the release page practically every hour today, finally the beta is out. I'm ready to try this one
[02:20] <jimmygoon> nikrud, I ran alpha 6 and it was fine I just had to use a workaround that I had been using (and a lot of 855gm users were apparently) and actually now that I think about it... I've still got a few hackish bits in my xorg.conf that I had to add manually. I'll have to see what happens if I remove those. but alas, I need a stable system tonight. need to do some drupal prototypign
[02:21] <nikrud> jimmygoon: same reason I stuck with gutsy. I am so done with running unstable software these days. Let you whippersnappers deal with it :)
[02:22] <nikrud> download will be done by the time I head home. excellent
[02:22] <Saraphim> Gutsy never was stable for me on my Mac Mini.
[02:22] <Saraphim> Graphics driver is funky.
[02:23] <nikrud> gutsy was fine for me, best since breezy.
[02:23] <jimmygoon> Saraphim, what card?
[02:23] <Saraphim> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS
[02:23] <jimmygoon> feisty was better than gutsy for a few bugs that plagued me but feature wise was worth it
[02:23] <ViO> ok.. more speedstep info (for my laptop w/drainig battery issues due to my cpu) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60367/
[02:23] <jimmygoon> Saraphim, thats the brother of my damned card... is it doing better in hardy as of the last couple days
[02:24] <Saraphim> jimmygoon: I'll let you know in 30. :-)
[02:24] <Saraphim> Though i don't have high hopes, I tried manually getting the newest driver and it was still funky.
[02:24] <Saraphim> Console  + framebuffer is stricly verboten.
[02:25] <Saraphim> And don't even think about changing resolution. *grins*
[02:25] <nikrud> probably still the same with my ati,but oh well.
[02:25] <ViO> some1 give me a pointer ;)
[02:25] <nikrud> don't know a thing about centrinos, I use amd
[02:26] <andre3> Is there a solution for the problem of Firefox not remembering it's window position next time it's launched?
[02:27] <andre3> It always appears in the upper left corner
[02:27] <andre3> I can see that the localstore.def file is correctly set if I move it to the new location and close firefox, but that file is rewritten with the window's X parameter set to 0 next time I start firefox.
[02:27] <Saraphim> I don't have that issue on firefox 3, but maybe it's a hardy + ff3 issue
[02:27] <LeerokLacerta> Alt-F3?
[02:28] <andre3> Saraphim: Are you sure? Drag the window to the upper right corner. Then restart firefox.
[02:28] <agroker> my bad, pulse-audio is replacement for ESD, not ALSA
[02:28] <Saraphim> andre3: I can't test right now, my current window manager does not allow floating windows.
[02:29] <nikrud> Saraphim: dwm?
[02:29] <Saraphim> Once I'm done updating I'll give it a go.
[02:29] <LeerokLacerta> What is a "floating" window?
[02:29] <Saraphim> nikrud: Yessit
[02:29] <nikrud> geek ;-P
[02:29] <Saraphim> Terminally. ;)
[02:30] <DanaG> argh, my pager is broken.
[02:30] <nikrud> LeerokLacerta: a window you can move around with the mouse on the screen
[02:30] <DanaG> Somehow I have 4 sides to my cube AND 4 desktops.
[02:30] <nikrud> LeerokLacerta: overlapping is another term
[02:31] <DanaG> Yet, compiz is set to only ONE desktop.
[02:31] <DanaG> WTF?
[02:31] <flipstar> wow you have 4 cubes then ?
[02:31] <flipstar> thats pretty impressive
[02:31] <Saraphim> Figures that someone wouldn't be satisfied with a cubic, bouncy, rotating desktop and end up multiplying them.
[02:32] <Saraphim> Soon there will be extradimensional desktops.
[02:32] <nikrud> I'm looking forward to trying a 3x4 matrix, compiz was unusable on xgl and early aiglx ati. Got lazy about upgrading.
[02:32] <DanaG> I don't find it impressive; I find it broken.
[02:32] <Saraphim> DanaG: Sorry, I was kidding. :p
[02:32] <DanaG> It means that my taskbar shows all 4 sides even though it's set to show only 1.
[02:32] <DanaG> How do I fix it?
[02:33] <nikrud> ask me tomorrow, testing that will be high on my list
[02:33] <flipstar> maybe impressive broken
[02:38] <Saraphim> I wish apt-get would parallelize a bit.
[02:38] <setuid> Saraphim, it does
[02:38] <Saraphim> really? Seems it goes package by package.
[02:38] <Dr_willis__> Saraphim,  so it hammers the hd even more! :)
[02:38] <Saraphim> In config, that is.
[02:38] <Saraphim> Yes please!
[02:38] <Dr_willis__> I need to set up an apt-cacheing server for my homelan..
[02:39] <Dr_willis__> that would help me out a bit.
[02:39] <hmuller> All I want for my birthday (Apr21) is a seahorse-agent that plays nice with pcscd, so that I don't have to run gpg --no-use-agent in a terminal just to decrypt
[02:39] <RAOF> Dr_willis__: apt-zeroconf (mostly) works (generally).
[02:39] <hmuller> Especially since seahorse is now mandatory in ubuntu-desktop
[02:39] <ViO> flipstar: is there a way to get the cpu speed down (it's enabled in the bios)
[02:40] <setuid> Dr_willis__, I do that with Squid on a BSD machine
[02:41] <Dr_willis__> yea - thers several ways to do it.. but i only rember to do it.. after i got my machines all updating at the same time.. :)
[02:41] <setuid> It's a transparent proxy, sitting there... no client configuration at all, it all happens on my Buffalo Wireless WAP (running Linux) with 3 iptables commands.
[02:41] <Dr_willis__> !info apt-zeroconf
[02:41] <ubotu> Package apt-zeroconf does not exist in hardy
[02:41] <Saraphim> Well there you have it. ;-)
[02:41] <setuid> hahaha
[02:42] <flipstar> ViO: i bet there are ways to do so..i just dont have a laptop
[02:42] <ViO> ok =( thx for the help flipstar
[02:43] <flipstar> you can use google if it doesnt take too much power :)
[02:43] <ViO> flipstar: i did b4 i came here..
[02:43] <Prometheus> are we able to install with dm-crypt?
[02:44] <ViO> flipstar:  but i either sux at googlin or google just doesn't like me..
[02:44] <LeerokLacerta> What is dm-crypt?
[02:44] <setuid> LeerokLacerta, A very useful and necessary thing ;)
[02:44] <Prometheus> it encrpts the root partition
[02:45] <setuid> Well, not quite
[02:45] <setuid> It -can- encrypt the root partition
[02:45] <Prometheus> symatics
[02:45] <LeerokLacerta> Hmm!
[02:45] <LeerokLacerta> I use cfs myse.f
[02:45] <LeerokLacerta> *self
[02:45] <Prometheus> it didn't come up as an option on install
[02:45] <setuid> My entire laptop is an encrypted LVM
[02:46] <Saraphim> LVM seems to be all the rage now
[02:46] <Prometheus> you boot from usb?
[02:46] <flipstar> ViO: you might try "sudo echo 1000 > /proc/cpu/frequency" where 1000 is the cpu speed you want but dont blame me if anything breaks :P
[02:46] <setuid> Prometheus, Nope, it's encrypted root
[02:46] <ViO> flipstar: will blame you ;)
[02:46] <setuid> flipstar, No such var
[02:47] <setuid> stat: cannot stat `/proc/cpu/frequency': No such file or directory
[02:47] <Prometheus> setuid, is there some option I'm missing on install to enable dm-crypt
[02:48] <setuid> Prometheus, Nope, you need to do it at partitioning time
[02:48] <Prometheus> setuid: I did it with manual partitioning do I need to do it with automatic
[02:48] <ViO> yiikes
[02:48] <setuid> You need to do it with manual partitioning
[02:49] <Prometheus> setuid: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystems?highlight=%28dm-crypt%29 says otherwise
[02:49] <Prometheus> now that I use google
[02:49] <flipstar> ViO: just try emifreq-applet
[02:49] <ViO> kk
[02:50] <flipstar> !info emifreq-applet hardy | sounds like this is what you want
[02:50] <ubotu> sounds like this is what you want: emifreq-applet (source: emifreq-applet): CPU Frequency Scaling applet. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.18-3ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 63 kB, installed size 312 kB
[02:50] <setuid> Prometheus, Dunno how they do theirs, but I have a 200M /boot/ which is unencrypted, and a dm-crypt LVM that holds swap, / and /home.
[02:51] <Prometheus> I'm gonna try to boot from usb first then put it on the laptop if it doesn't work out
[02:51] <setuid> Prometheus, Beware of the serious performance degradation though
[02:51] <setuid> Security always comes at a price
[02:51] <Prometheus> setuid: I heard it was 5-10%
[02:51] <Saraphim> Except for, you know.. Linux.. O:-)
[02:51] <setuid> Depends on hardware
[02:51] <Prometheus> setuid: using loop-aes on my server
[02:51] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another random note: I'm using git compiz.
[02:51] <setuid> Use twofish, it's faster and more secure than aes and blowfish
[02:51] <DanaG> That probably affects the wnck interaction.
[02:51] <ViO> flipstar: i don't have that applet..
[02:52] <ViO> flipstar: do i need to dl it?
[02:52] <Saraphim> ViO: apt-get install emifreq-applet
[02:52]  * Prometheus loves loop-aes
[02:52] <setuid> dm-crypt superceded it, didn't it?
[02:52] <ViO> invalid..
[02:52] <Saraphim> Invalid?
[02:52] <Prometheus> setuid: yes and no
[02:52] <ViO> nvm
[02:53] <flipstar> ViO: with sudo before of course
[02:53] <Saraphim> :-)
[02:53] <setuid> neat
[02:53] <ViO> ye, ;)
[02:53] <setuid> emifreq is neat
[02:53] <Prometheus> setuid: they do the same thing different ways
[02:53] <ViO> wicked
[02:53] <setuid> Prometheus, Not quite, one was shown to have an attack vector...
[02:53] <setuid> I remember this
[02:53] <setuid> I just can't remember which one ;)
[02:54] <Prometheus> setuid: it was loop-ase if I remember right but if you use a keyfile it doesn't work
[02:54] <setuid> Oh weird... emifreq doesn't support all of the mhz that my proc supports
[02:54] <Prometheus> lol
[02:54] <ViO> lal dropped to 5.0Watts!!!
[02:54] <setuid> Goes down to 1200Mhz, but mine goes to 800Mhz
[02:54] <ViO> now that's better
[02:54]  * Prometheus runs off to restart his ubuntu install
[02:54] <Saraphim> Beat me to it, damn you
[02:54] <Saraphim> :P
[02:54] <Prometheus> 1.21 jiggawatt jive
[02:55] <RAOF> DanaG: Found a git revision later than 1.4 that doesn't exhibit our bug.  3 builds to go.
[02:55] <ViO> =)
[02:55] <setuid> ViO, 5W?
[02:55] <setuid> What did?
[02:55] <Prometheus> a ULV processor me thinks
[02:56] <ViO> laptopmode & emifreq-applet
[02:56] <setuid> But how did he see/measure the wattage?
[02:56] <ViO> not a ulv..
[02:56] <setuid> emifreq only shows the temp
[02:56] <ViO> if i right click the battery icon i can choose power history
[02:57] <setuid> battery icon? In the battery applet? or something else?
[02:57] <setuid> ViO, You running KDE?
[02:57] <ViO> ViO doesn't know..
[02:57] <ViO> prob kde
[02:57] <ViO> i'll take a screenshot
[02:57] <Prometheus> are you running ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:57] <ViO> ubuntu
[02:57] <setuid> Is there a start bar at the bottom? or a grey one at the top/bottom?
[02:58] <ViO> top/bottom thingy (yet modified by me)
[02:58] <setuid> GNOME then
[02:58] <Prometheus> gnome
[02:58] <ViO> =)
[02:58] <ViO> cheers
[02:58] <Prometheus> beat me to it
[02:58] <setuid> Right-click the battery applet and go to About
[02:58] <setuid> What applet is it called?
[02:58] <Saraphim> Oho! Upgrade complete. Here goes nothing. See you soon. I hope. :-)
[02:58] <ViO> power manager 2.22.0 (gnome)
[02:59] <setuid> Weird, must be old or legacy... the new version is "Battery Charge Monitor"
[02:59] <flipstar> setuid: there is powertop ..
[02:59] <setuid> flipstar, Sure, but it isn't an applet with wattage history and such
[02:59] <ViO> it has that capabillity
[02:59] <setuid> I'd love a power/charging graph like Windows has
[02:59] <ViO> it show's me different graphs
[02:59] <setuid> ViO, What package owns it?
[03:00] <ViO> i dunno.. how can i check
[03:00] <ViO> it came pre installed
[03:01] <ViO> hmm hmm my fan is still running..
[03:02] <setuid> Weird, it's not in Hardy at all
[03:02] <ViO> it's usually quite inside windows
[03:02] <Prometheus> setuid: the automatic install is not bringing up the encryption dialog
[03:02] <setuid> Prometheus, You have to choose it as a filesystem type
[03:02] <setuid> When partitioning
[03:02] <setuid> You can do guided w/encrypted LVM or manua
[03:02] <setuid> *manual
[03:02] <setuid> I choose manual
[03:02] <Prometheus> I saw it in neither
[03:03] <Prometheus> you use the desktop install?
[03:04] <setuid> I had to use the alternate installer
[03:04] <DanaG> Only three builds to go?  Cool.
[03:04] <Prometheus> then that is my reason
[03:04] <setuid> DanaG, clone them
[03:04] <DanaG> (was for RAOF)
[03:05] <RAOF> DanaG: It would be a bit easier if there weren't some revisions around the critical point which broke the build :(
[03:08] <ViO> how do i enable more effects on hardy =D
[03:08] <ViO> like cube.. etc
[03:08] <ViO> need to prob dl a package..
[03:08] <Dr_willis__> install the ccsm tool and have fun
[03:08] <Dr_willis__> !ccsm
[03:08] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[03:09] <ViO> sweet dr!
[03:09] <Dr_willis__> and yes. the ccsm tools interface is a bit over-whemling at times.. explore it.
[03:09] <Saraphim> Mkay, graphics driver is definitely still funky.
[03:09] <Saraphim> But nothing seems to be -worse- than in Gutsy.
[03:09] <ViO> i've done that on 7.10
[03:09] <ViO> ;)
[03:10] <andre3> Saraphim: You're using metacity now? If so, can you try to reproduce the Firefox bug?
[03:10] <Saraphim> andre3: Yep, hang on
[03:10] <ViO> no wonder linux is fear'd
[03:10] <ViO> it has no competition
[03:11] <LeerokLacerta> No competition?
[03:11] <Saraphim> andre3: Aye, size gets saved but position gets reset.
[03:11] <LeerokLacerta> That's a bold statement.
[03:11] <Dr_willis__> Competition in the 'useelss eye candy market' :)
[03:11] <andre3> Saraphim: Right, that's my experience as well. Thanks for testing.
[03:11] <andre3> Saraphim: I've reported the bug in launchpad.
[03:11] <LeerokLacerta> Hmm.
[03:11] <Saraphim> andre3: bugid?
[03:12] <ViO> Dr_willis_ how do i find ccsm
[03:12] <andre3> Saraphim: bug 204480
[03:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204480 in firefox-3.0 "Window position is not remembered between starts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204480
[03:12] <Dr_willis__> ViO,  ubuntu 101 --- rember this .. 'apt-cache search ITEM'
[03:12] <Saraphim> andre3: Thanks
[03:12] <ViO> nvm
[03:12] <ViO> =)
[03:12] <Dr_willis__> ViO,  the bot just gave the name of the package earlier also...
[03:12] <Dr_willis__> !ccsm | ViO
[03:12] <ubotu> ViO: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[03:12] <ViO> ye it's installed
[03:12] <ViO> just couldn't find it while searching ..
[03:13] <ViO> had to push my enter button
[03:13] <Dr_willis__> Egads! :)
[03:13] <Dr_willis__> hehheh
[03:13] <Dr_willis__> 'wheres the anykey!'
[03:14] <ViO> ^^
[03:15] <ViO> it's compizfusion right?
[03:16] <flipstar> yep compiz and beryl are melted
[03:17] <ViO> about time
[03:17] <ViO> both were very unstable in the old days
[03:18] <Prometheus> AH the olde days
[03:18] <Prometheus> I remember those
[03:18] <ViO> hehe
[03:19] <Dr_willis__> i rember when "enlightment" was the hard-core eye candy window manager/desktop
[03:19] <Dr_willis__> and was bloated.
[03:19] <Dr_willis__> now its called 'light and fast'
[03:19] <raidium> oh man those were the days
[03:20] <raidium> 8 desktops OMG lol
[03:20] <ViO> hehe
[03:20] <LeerokLacerta> Compiz and Beryl have merged?
[03:20] <ViO> Dr_willis_ i can't seem to enable 4 desktops.. only1
[03:20] <Dr_willis__> !beryl
[03:20] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[03:21] <ViO> !compiz
[03:21] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[03:21] <LeerokLacerta> Ah, I see.
[03:21] <Dr_willis__> ViO,  use the ccsm tool. the general tab.
[03:21] <LeerokLacerta> No wonder why Compiz was acting like Beryl.
[03:21] <jester7> anybody here having problems with low volume?
[03:21] <Dr_willis__> NOT the gnome   desktop panel widget
[03:21] <ViO> jester7: YES
[03:21] <raidium> just got all 4 LCDs working not to long ago myself
[03:21] <raidium> yes low volume here
[03:21] <jester7> ViO: ok...glad to know it's not just me
[03:22] <jester7> wait, that came out wrong :p
[03:22] <ViO> Dr_willis_ can't seem to enable more than 1 there (inside general)
[03:22] <ViO> number of desktops: 1 .. not possible to make it 4.. etc
[03:23] <ViO> reboot?
[03:23] <flipstar> i can make up to 32 or so ..
[03:23] <m1r> :)
[03:23] <jester7> ViO: you its not under desktops...its something else like "horizontal windows"
[03:23]  * ViO ignoring flipstar
[03:23] <Dr_willis__> I dont mess with compiuz much.. and i HATE the cube thing.. so guess ya just play with it...
[03:23] <ViO> =)
[03:23] <raidium> getting them all active with gl acceleration is what took me a bit of work
[03:23] <flipstar> 32 desktops are pretty awesome :P
[03:24] <jester7> lmfao
[03:24] <raidium> flip, you have 32lcds, or just 32 virtual desktops ?
[03:24] <flipstar> lol virtual of corse
[03:24] <jester7> there can't possibly be a use for 32, other than a pretty...uh..32agon
[03:24] <raidium> :D
[03:25] <DanaG> Oh hey, I fixed my compiz.  The problem: wrong ccp backend.
[03:25] <ViO> need a decent cpu for that to run
[03:25] <raidium> one of mine just makes pretty pictures to music most of the time lol
[03:25] <ViO> smoothly
[03:25] <ViO> *reboot* time
[03:25] <jester7> for those with low volume, what type of soundcard
[03:26] <jer132> Wow.  Just thought to give Hardy Beta a try.  What a mess!  Any idea if Flash and Java will work out of the box upon final?
[03:26] <jester7> jer132: do you mean the installs aren't working correctly?
[03:27] <raidium> ihave an nvidia 680i board
[03:27] <jer132> The install for Java doesn't work.  And once flash is installed it just crashes Firefox.
[03:27] <BunnyRevolution> i've heard it's a mess this time around.  devs get to aggressive?
[03:27] <jer132> I should be more clear.  This is all in relation to Firefox.
[03:27] <BunnyRevolution> isn't this supposed to be the LTS edition?
[03:28] <Flannel> BunnyRevolution: It will be, except Kubuntu
[03:28] <jer132> In my mind, Gutsy was a lot more stable at this point in time during development.
[03:28] <Dr_willis__> poor kubuntu.. left out in the cold.. like a ...err... somthing you leave out in the cold...
[03:28] <BunnyRevolution> except kubuntu?
[03:28] <BunnyRevolution> because of kde4 ?
[03:29]  * BunnyRevolution uses kubuntu
[03:29] <BunnyRevolution> which is why i ask
[03:29] <LeerokLacerta> RealPlayer plugin crashes Firefox.
[03:29] <Flannel> BunnyRevolution: yeah, Kubuntu is splitting KDE4 and KDE3.5, so no LTS.  You'll still be able to upgrade from dapper, it just wont be supported longer than 18 months
[03:29] <ViO> weirD!
[03:29] <ViO> hmrf
[03:30] <ViO> screen goes 800x600..
[03:30] <ViO> everytime i reboot
[03:30] <jer132> ViO: same here
[03:30] <jer132> nvidia?
[03:30] <ViO> ye
[03:30] <ViO> what computer ?
[03:30] <flipstar> hm ?
[03:31] <jer132> P4
[03:31] <ViO> k
[03:31] <ViO> laptop here.. dell xps m1330
[03:31] <jester7> flash is working just fine for me
[03:31] <ViO> *testing* 2advanced
[03:31] <jester7> but volume is still so low :(
[03:31] <jer132> jester7: youtube works?
[03:31] <jester7> yep, exactly what i tried first...LOL
[03:31] <ViO> haha
[03:31] <jester7> i'm 1:30 into a video
[03:32] <jer132> hehe  same here.  results weren't the greatest
[03:32] <ViO> yup
[03:32] <ViO> g00d results
[03:32] <ViO> for flash
[03:32] <jer132> Firefox crashed on my end.
[03:32] <jester7> yikes
[03:33] <asdrubal> I have a question about /lib/firmware
[03:33] <asdrubal> If I compile my own kernel, how do I get /lib/firmware stuff?
[03:33] <jer132> and my wirless that worked in Gutsy doesn't want to work in Hardy
[03:33] <jester7> ViO: what soundcard do you have?
[03:33] <ViO> HDA intel
[03:33] <jester7> wow, we all have different soundcards
[03:33] <ViO> flash ain't to good
[03:33] <jester7> yet all have low volume
[03:33] <Dr_willis__>  HDA intel - is like the old days of saying "creative compatiable" it seems. :)
[03:34] <flipstar> im out
[03:34] <Dr_willis__> only theres 100 variants it seems. :)
[03:34] <ViO> i actually have hi def audio from intel.. (santa rosa thingy)
[03:34] <ViO> hmm
[03:34] <ViO> i can look deeper into it
[03:34] <ViO> but my vista kinda locked it self
[03:34]  * DanaG has an Sound Blaster 16 ISA PnP (with IDE controller) around here somewhere.
[03:34] <ViO> no wifi bug or somethin
[03:35] <DanaG> HDA Intel is a standard; Realtek or SigmaTel or Analog Devices (ADI) or other such things are the actual chips.
[03:35] <jester7> i have an ATI "Azalia" soundcard
[03:35] <jer132> I like how my video defaulted to 1280x1024 instead of taking the max resolution.
[03:35] <ViO> ye... that's true
[03:37] <jer132> Bluetooth crashes when I pull the dongle out.
[03:38] <ViO> hmm
[03:39] <ViO> the wifi icon on my laptop is missing.. yet the brightness/soundlevel osd are showing..
[03:39] <ViO> physicly that is.. not inside ubuntu it self..
[03:39] <ViO> so strange
[03:39] <ViO> the bluetooth does show
[03:39] <jer132> do you have a switch to kill the bluetooth?
[03:40] <ViO> it's the same as wi-fi/BT
[03:40] <jer132> (hardware switch)
[03:40] <ViO> so if i shut down bt the wifi is integrated..
[03:40] <ViO> (hardware swith with both not cingular)
[03:40] <ViO> switch*
[03:40] <jer132> ahhhh
[03:40] <ViO> both on/off
[03:40] <ViO> yet the led lamp on my comp shows only bT (in ubuntu)
[03:41] <jer132> If you hit the switch I wonder if the Bluetooth will crash
[03:41] <ViO> let's try
[03:41] <jer132> Probably the wireless driver isn't loaded.
[03:41] <ViO> back
[03:41] <ViO> the bt icon dissapeard
[03:41] <ViO> in ubuntu
[03:42] <ViO> & on my laptop
[03:42] <jer132> No crash report icon appeared?
[03:42] <ViO> nope
[03:42] <ViO> there it is
[03:42] <ViO> it poped up
[03:42] <jer132> hehe
[03:42] <ViO> the bluetooth i mean ;)
[03:42] <ViO> not the crash report
[03:42] <jer132> ahhhh
[03:42] <ViO> indeed
[03:42] <ViO> =)
[03:43] <jer132> I wonder what the deal is with your wifi...   did you take a look in the restricted drivers?
[03:43] <ViO> i didn't have to..
[03:43] <ViO> it was only for my graphics..
[03:43] <ViO> didn't show up on the list
[03:43] <jer132> hrmmmm
[03:43] <jer132> that's strange.
[03:44] <ViO> YE iknow
[03:44] <ViO> it works.. otb
[03:44] <ViO> just no icon on my laptop.. who cares eh?
[03:44] <ViO> but my wifi catcher doesn't work (hardware switch)
[03:44] <jer132> Icon on the taskbar or indicator light?
[03:44] <jester7> ViO: same here
[03:44] <Saraphim> Hmm. How do I completely reset my gnome settings so that I start with the "hardy defaults" on next login?
[03:45] <ViO> ye i have the indicator
[03:45] <ViO> and % of signal lvl
[03:45] <ViO> it simply works.. (the wifi)
[03:45] <ViO> i did see some error messages on startup
[03:45] <ViO> so i expected it dead
[03:46] <LeerokLacerta> rm -rf ~/.gnome ?
[03:46] <Saraphim> LeerokLacerta: Tried it, and .gnome2, and .gconf. Doesn't seem to make a difference.
[03:46] <LeerokLacerta> Hmm?
[03:46] <ViO> my computer is in general more hot in ubuntu than vista
[03:47] <m1r> i have download ubuntu alternate cd and insert it in pc, but it not asking me that it found updgrade cd. how can i start it manually ?
[03:47] <jer132> That's always been my complaint.
[03:47] <crweb> ViO: thats cause ubuntu you can actually do things...
[03:47] <leftyfb> Saraphim: delete ~/.?*  ... that'll delete ALL app settings
[03:47] <ViO> crweb: i do prefere a silent and deadly computer..
[03:47] <ViO> the specs are decent..
[03:47] <Saraphim> leftyfb: I tried moving all ~/.* to a safe place - no go either. It's quite strange.
[03:47] <leftyfb> m1r: you put the cd in while ubuntu is running in order to do an upgrade
[03:47] <Saraphim> leftyfb: I also tried logging out and moving them all from console, thinking that gnome somehow might save them on logout
[03:47] <crweb> Vista has time to cool off while you're trying to navigate  to next page of the network settings 10 times to change IP ;)
[03:47] <LeerokLacerta> rm -rf /*
[03:48] <Saraphim> The best I can gather it's not in my home dir
[03:48] <Saraphim> LeerokLacerta: Great idea.
[03:48] <ViO> hehe
[03:48] <ViO> i so wanna try the x64.
[03:48] <leftyfb> Saraphim: what does ls -al ~/ show you?
[03:48] <ViO> can't use my 4gb's of ram in 86
[03:48] <Saraphim> leftyfb: Well, quite a bit now, but nothing when I was last logged out.
[03:49] <crweb> ViO i have 6gigs. but am hit with disk I/O problem in hardy
[03:49] <XceII> Is there an audio program that i can use to increase my audio?
[03:49] <crweb> if i even copy a file between to sataII 10k rpm drives,  GUI completely halts till cp is done
[03:49] <ViO> oh =/ bummer
[03:49] <Saraphim> XceII: alsamixer?
[03:49] <LeerokLacerta> Hmm, it seems that I've been banned.
[03:49] <XceII> I have it
[03:49] <leftyfb> XceII: ubuntu has audio controls very similar to windows
[03:49] <LeerokLacerta> Or not.
[03:50] <ViO> get a raptor ;)
[03:50] <leftyfb> LeerokLacerta: for your rm comment
[03:50] <crweb> 6gig 800mhz ram, Core 2 Duo E6700... that shouldn't happen
[03:50] <LeerokLacerta> I guess that common, harmful command is taboo.
[03:50] <LeerokLacerta> Yes, I realised.
[03:50] <ViO> crweb: lal.. dual cpu ?
[03:50] <crweb> ViO: dual core 2.66ghz.. it doesn't get much faster...
[03:51] <nalioth> ban evasion
[03:51] <ViO> ye i got the old 2,2ghz (mobile) cpu c2d ;)
[03:51] <Saraphim> Very odd. I would assume all gnome config was in my home dir. Gonna completely move it away now.
[03:52] <Amaranth> eep
[03:52] <Amaranth> stupid script
[03:52] <Saraphim> o_o
[03:52] <ViO> it's the T7500  ? can't be
[03:52] <XceII> I must say: with an asus mobo and a nvidia card, this os is rockin its butt off, i never had a linux setup run so fast and be to fruitful, nice job folks.
[03:53] <ViO> is there a similar cpuz prog from ubuntu?
[03:53] <ViO> for*
[03:54] <m11> sry my wlan reset
[03:54] <m11> how can i make cd rom upgrade autostart when i put cd in drive ?
[03:54] <ViO> LAL
[03:54] <ViO> cube finally workin
[03:55] <corevette> will this be in Hardy? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=r500_glxgears&num=1
[03:56] <sarah> Okaaay. I moved my entire homedir away now and made a clean one while being logged out of gnome. It still somehow recovers the gnome settings.
[03:56] <sarah> *goes nuts*
[03:56] <leftyfb> corevette: "As this work is still quite early, don't expect it being merged to master immediately and right now the only PCI ID inside his Mesa code is for the RV530 (0x71C4) M56 FireGL GPU."
[03:56] <Saraphim> Clearly there's something sinister at work here. Must be gconfd.
[03:57] <leftyfb> Saraphim: what settings exactly?
[03:57] <virtuald> whats the accepted method for submitting patches on a bug?
[03:57] <Saraphim> leftyfb: Everything! For instance, I removed my bottom bar ages ago.
[03:57] <jer132> corvette: open source ati/nvidia 3d drivers are still in their infancy from what I understand.
[03:57] <corevette> leftyfb: do you know if there is graphical improvements for ATI X1xxx
[03:57] <Saraphim> Sure, I can recreate it, but I just want to start with a completely fresh gnome config.
[03:58] <Saraphim> And now it's annoying me that it is evading destruction. ;-)
[03:58] <ViO> night guys =)
[03:58] <ViO> take care
[03:58] <jer132> night!
[03:58] <leftyfb> Saraphim: sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ....  this will uninstall anything gui along with their global settings and reinstall it.
[03:59] <Saraphim> Good idea.
[03:59] <Saraphim> I can't believe there's no better way to clear gnome settings though. I imagine gconftool, but then again, I'm no wiz at that.
[03:59] <m11> leftyfb: taht will restore all original desktop settings , right ?
[04:00] <leftyfb> m11: global ... I'm pretty sure it doesn't touch any user settings.
[04:00] <leftyfb> but I would backup just in case you're concerned
[04:00] <m11> leftyfb: probably will leave applications i installed and showed them in program list ?
[04:00] <leftyfb> huh?
[04:01] <leftyfb> mind you, this suggestion was meant for Saraphim's issue
[04:01] <m11> ok
[04:01] <Saraphim> Solved
[04:01] <Saraphim> I.. think
[04:01] <Saraphim> Actually, maybe that was a bad idea. xD
[04:02] <leftyfb> ?
[04:02] <Saraphim> Nope, it solved it.. Just needed to relog. gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /
[04:03]  * DanaG hates nvidia and wants ATI next time, frankly -- at least they've open-sourced stuff!
[04:03] <Saraphim> I wonder where it saves all its blah.
[04:03] <leftyfb> DanaG: i'd tend to disagree with that opinion
[04:03] <XceII> me 2
[04:03] <leftyfb> ATI has not open sourced it's video drivers
[04:04] <DanaG> Yeah, but they've open-sourced the specs!
[04:04] <leftyfb> :/
[04:04] <Saraphim> I've had naught but problems with ATI on Linux, Nvidia worked out of the box every time.
[04:04] <DanaG> And they're actively working with the community.
[04:04] <leftyfb> as is nvidia
[04:04] <DanaG> I've had my fair share of nvidia issues, even under Windows, too.
[04:04] <XceII> me 2 Saraphim
[04:04] <DanaG> Plus, I kinda' like to play devil's advocate.
[04:04] <leftyfb> nvidia has always worked with the community. ATI has just recently said they would
[04:05] <DanaG> NVIDIA hasn't released any specs, though!
[04:05] <XceII> although i installed 7.10 on my brothers stuff, he had an ati 9200se, and it worked flawlessly
[04:05] <XceII> weird
[04:05] <DanaG> Oh yeah, why does PulseAudio not remember where I put audio streams?
[04:06] <leftyfb> DanaG: part of the reason is, nvidia's current drivers actually work, as opposed to ATI's
[04:06] <DanaG> *blink*
[04:06] <DanaG> *freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*ze...unfreeze.
[04:06] <XceII> kinda looks like amd (ati) is tanking.
[04:06] <DanaG> *blink*
[04:06] <DanaG> No native-resolution framebuffer!
[04:07] <XceII> they are losing 5% of the work force.
[04:07] <m11> how can i sstart cd rom upgrade from alternate cd ? it is not autrostarting anymore ?
[04:08] <DanaG> I'm a bit odd... you want to know what bugged me most (at least at first) when AMD bought ATI?
[04:08] <XceII> ya
[04:08] <DanaG> They changed ATI's website from red to green!
[04:08] <XceII> they should have bought (merged) with nvidia
[04:08] <DanaG> That's what bugged me most.  It's supposed to be Red (ATI) versus Green (NVIDIA), not Green versus Green.
[04:08] <XceII> pretty dunb
[04:08] <XceII> lol
[04:10] <XceII> i really was shocked, when that 9200se workes like mit did, after reading all the dox saying ati stunk
[04:10]  * DanaG is currently using an orange Aurora theme.
[04:10] <XceII> *worked like it did
[04:10] <DanaG> Aurora is the GTK engine I'm using.
[04:10] <Saraphim> The new background really does wonders. Maybe next time we'll get more than one shade. :-)
[04:11] <DanaG> I want a variant of that wallpaper against HP's business laptops' very specific color on the lids.
[04:11] <Saraphim> *eyes*
[04:11] <DanaG> hp.skinit.com -- I want that Heron on the back of my next laptop.
[04:11] <XceII> lol
[04:12] <DanaG> s/that/this/
[04:12] <Saraphim> Well. Looks like Heron is bug-free to me. Except the firefox bit.
[04:13] <XceII> what is the issue
[04:13] <Saraphim> Doesn't remembe position between restarts.
[04:13] <XceII> plugins?
[04:13] <leftyfb> it's not bug free
[04:13] <Saraphim> None.
[04:13] <Saraphim> leftyfb: Bug free to me. Nothing that affects me. :)
[04:14] <leftyfb> try double-clicking a .deb on your desktop
[04:14] <XceII> mine seems very nice, im glad i did it, all my stuff works faster / evenly / and complete.
[04:14] <Saraphim> mmmlemme find one
[04:14]  * DanaG wishes Ubuntu kernels would incorporate the HP MDPS (Mobile Data Protection System, also known as 3D DriveGuard) kernel module.
[04:15] <XceII> compize even seems extremely lite on its feet.
[04:15] <Saraphim> leftyfb: Ok, what's the issue?
[04:15] <XceII> compiz in 7.10 had me pulling my hair out.
[04:16] <leftyfb> worked for you?
[04:16] <Saraphim> leftyfb: Yep.
[04:16] <leftyfb> hm
[04:16] <leftyfb> maybe it was a .deb ... let me try a different one
[04:17] <Saraphim> XceII: Can you try checking if you have that firefox bug too though?
[04:18] <XceII> the only bug i have is sound in flash, i have to use flash 1rst so as to get all audio working.
[04:18] <XceII> in the browser
[04:18] <Saraphim> XceII: So it DOES remember the last position when you close and reopen it?
[04:18] <XceII> ya
[04:18] <Saraphim> Okay, strange.
[04:18] <XceII> yta
[04:19] <XceII> ya
[04:19] <Saraphim> Beta 4?
[04:19] <XceII> ill say this, ff, is so fast, i cant beleive it
[04:19] <XceII> ya
[04:19] <XceII> 4
[04:19] <Saraphim> Mkay. Very strange.
[04:20] <XceII> but, i did install libdvdcc
[04:20] <XceII> libdvd
[04:20] <XceII> thats the (only) bug i have
[04:21] <XceII> ill trace it down tho
[04:22] <XceII> any way, ill leave for now, take care folks.
[04:25] <Saraphim> Was it the deb leftyfb?
[04:25] <DanaG> wtf?  All my utf-8 filenames on my ntfs partition are missing.
[04:26] <DanaG> Skipping unrepresentable filename (inode 66333): Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character
[04:26] <DanaG> WTF?  I have 'nls-utf8' in fstab!
[04:26] <DanaG> er, nls=
[04:26] <leftyfb> Saraphim: looks like it, trying another one now and it seems ok
[04:26] <DanaG> And I even manually ro-mount that with the SAME options if it didn't mount the first time as RW.
[04:27] <DanaG> "/dev/sda2 on /media/XP type fuseblk (ro,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[04:27] <DanaG> /dev/sda3 on /media/Vista type fuseblk (ro,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,blksize=4096)"
[04:49] <snerfu> Did I read somewhere that they are working on livecd persistance in this version or is that for the next version? or is that another distribution.
[04:51] <nikrud> they were talking about how to notify people about saving stuff before ending the live cd session in devel for a while
[05:11] <KalEl> hi... if i'm upgrading from alpha 6 to beta, is it still supposed to show up as a distribution upgrade with update-manager -d?
[05:13] <KalEl> how can i confirm that i'm running a beta versus alpha 6?
[05:14] <nikrud> KalEl: no it won't show up as a new distro, and you'd be up to date to beta when you upgrade (when the packages propagate to your mirror)
[05:14] <crweb> KalEl: it doesn't.  if you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade you will always be current
[05:14] <crweb> KalEl:  many of the time, you are more up to date than the beta release is.  Its just a flow of packages
[05:14] <KalEl> great, thanks
[05:21] <Tuv0k> KalEl, yes
[05:22] <KalEl> ok
[05:26] <nikrud> 42 seconds and counting
[05:27] <hrlr> I can't seem to get Java to work in Firefox no matter what I do.  It's like Firefox 3 isn't finding the plugin and keeps asking to install it.  Any ideas?
[05:35] <alex_mayorga> hrlr: check Bug #201143 for my workaround
[05:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201143 in sun-java6 "no Java plugin for Firefox with sun-java-6 installed in Hardy alpha 6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201143
[05:36] <hrlr> thanks alex!
[05:37] <Tuv0k> KalEl, I gave you the short of it
[05:37] <Tuv0k> some like to be verbos
[05:37] <Tuv0k> 42 sec til what exactl?
[05:39] <alex_mayorga> how do I clean up all the menu mess after installing kubunutu-desktop?
[05:39] <Positronic> what do I have to do to upgrade from 8.04 alpha to 8.04 beta?
[05:39] <hrlr> alex_mayorga: with a symlink like that.  If Firefox or Java were to be updated the symlink would need to be updated every time.  Wouldn't it?
[05:40] <nikrud> Positronic:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:40] <jimmygoon> hrlr, use icedtea-java7-plugin instead of java6
[05:40] <Positronic> thanks
[05:40] <alex_mayorga> there should be a better way, why mix KDE and GNOME stuff like that when installing another desktop on top of ubuntu?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Positronic: if you need to ask that, you should never have been running the alhpas.
[05:41] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorga: so that people can use gnome apps on kde and vice versa.
[05:41] <Positronic> yeah but I do that and it says 0 to be installed
[05:42] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, you can install just kde without reseting your usplash, gdm->kdm etc...
[05:42] <nikrud> Positronic: then you are already there, or the latest packages haven't hit your mirror yet
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Positronic: then you've already upgraded....
[05:42] <alex_mayorga> Hobbsee: but why not ask me? do you want all combined or do you want to switch sessions at startup?
[05:42] <Positronic> I have not
[05:42] <jimmygoon> there weren't a lot of updates for alpha 6 (today) to beta (Today)
[05:42] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorga: because it already gets stored in the same place, basically
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Positronic: how do you know you have not?
[05:42] <jimmygoon> like if you had your updates yesterday/ last night... you may not have had any updates
[05:42] <nikrud> Positronic: it's just a nother upgrade, like any other for you.
[05:43]  * nikrud is looking forward to installing it tomorrow, seeding now :)
[05:43] <alex_mayorga> Hobbsee: I've seen a couple of ideas about this in brainstorm, but never found the bug to subscribe to
[05:43] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, I don't understand. if you don't want to convert to kubuntu then just install kde packages to get that session option for gdm.... :S
[05:44] <alex_mayorga> say I don't want kubuntu anymore, would removing kubuntu-desktop get me back a clean gnome? I don't think so
[05:44] <jimmygoon> gr update/upgrade are conflicting terms.... I would consider gutsy->hardy an "upgrade" and package changes to be "updates"
[05:44] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, oh. yeah. doubtful. what about "sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop" ... it will leave the kubuntu crap behind but maybe a combination of the two?
[05:44] <Positronic> well it appears to be fine, then, but for some reason launching "Restricted Drivers Managers" forces me to Force Quit it
[05:44] <nikrud> jimmygoon: think update package list, and upgrade installing updated packages ;p
[05:45] <jimmygoon> Positronic, "sudo aptitude reinstall jockey-gtk" .... post a bug if you still have problems afterward
[05:45] <jimmygoon> nikrud, nah, I understand its just not what most users are used to
[05:45] <hrlr> Would Hardy eventually get Java 7 or would they stick with having a broken Java in there?
[05:45] <hrlr> Sorry...  Sun Java 7
[05:45] <nikrud> isn't that listed as a bug already? I thought I read something about that on the hardy beta wiki page
[05:45] <jimmygoon> hrlr, did you see my comment above... java 7 is available... its based off of openjdk and I think it works fine :(
[05:45] <alex_mayorga> jimmygoon, it is messy IMHO, but I guess it is what it is, I've never get to file the actual bug, because I have not much clue, but I know it irks some other peoble besides me
[05:46] <alex_mayorga> hrlr: Java 7 is not even out yet
[05:46] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, I'm just not sure what the alternative would be, I agree though, I've made the kubuntu-desktop install mistake before and regretted it FULLY until I wiped/reinstalled
[05:46] <hrlr> Right.  So when it does come out, would they include that in Hardy?
[05:46] <jimmygoon> I'm using some version of java 7 with icedtea/openjdk.... :O
[05:46] <alex_mayorga> hrlr: an the breakage you're seing is more llikely a Firefox bug at that
[05:47] <Positronic> jimmygoon: The reinstall was successful, but still a crash
[05:47] <jimmygoon> Positronic, run it from a terminal see if there's any feedback
[05:47] <jimmygoon> ii    icedtea-java7-plugin    7~b24-1.5+20080118-1
[05:47] <alex_mayorga> jimmygoon: so not hope for a cleanup here?
[05:47] <hrlr> From what I've read on the forums, it's something to do with Sun's Java.
[05:48] <Positronic> restricted-drivers-manager?
[05:48] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, I was too incompetent to figure anything out... after that I just tried kde4 for the heck of it and then wiped it. I'm not saying its not possible.. it just wasn't worth the effort/time for me
[05:48] <jimmygoon> Positronic, jockey-gtk or that
[05:48] <alex_mayorga> hrlr: the plugin register to all known mozilla based browsers prior to FF3
[05:48] <nikrud> jimmygoon: what does the sun java test site report it as?
[05:48] <jimmygoon> nikrud, link? I'll google and try
[05:49] <nikrud> jimmygoon: google what I typed, first hit
[05:49] <jimmygoon> so far its taken everything I've throw atit
[05:49] <alex_mayorga> jimmygoon: just do "java -version" on a terminal
[05:49] <jimmygoon> nikrud, alright.
[05:49] <andre_pl> whats the proper way to configure the nvidia driver in hardy? I dont see the restricted driver manager anymore
[05:50] <jimmygoon> nikrud: Vendor: Sun Microsystems Inc. Version: 1.7.0  O/S: Linux OS Version: 2.6.24-12-generic
[05:50] <jimmygoon> andre_pl, run jockey-gtk and install it if you don't have it
[05:50] <jimmygoon> andre_pl, its called "Hardware Drivers" now too... Under System-> Administration
[05:50] <nikrud> jimmygoon: interesting. I wouldn't expect sun to report iced tea as sun. Unless it is the open source sun? I'm not up on the latest news there
[05:50] <alex_mayorga> so icedtea is running the development version of java 7
[05:51] <jimmygoon> nikrud, my understanding is its the package based of of openjdk
[05:51] <jimmygoon> IcedTea Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0-b24)
[05:51] <jimmygoon> IcedTea Client VM (build 1.7.0-b24, mixed mode, sharing)
[05:51] <jimmygoon> Is what java -version says
[05:52] <andre_pl> jimmygoon: says jockey-gtk is already the newest version, but I dont have 'hardware drivers' in my admin menu
[05:52] <alex_mayorga> jimmygoon, upvote http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/4778/ just for the kicks :)
[05:52] <jimmygoon> grr I hate registrations... OpenID?
[05:53] <alex_mayorga> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9/ :)
[05:53] <Positronic> jimmygoon: it gives me an error: 'NameError: global name 'KernelModuleHandler' is not defined'
[05:53] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, nice
[05:53] <alex_mayorga> jimmygoon: so register and upvote :)
[05:54] <jimmygoon> Positronic, above my head. bug filing time maybe.. (plus make sure you have your updates...)
[05:54] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, haha. okay
[05:54] <nikrud> why don't they use the launchpad id?
[05:54] <jimmygoon> or ubuntuforums
[05:54] <jimmygoon> drupal has auth bridges for that sort of thing though launchpad would probably be harder since its externally maanged
[05:55] <nikrud> still don't have a forum login.
[06:01] <DreadKnight> anyone with a wacom on kubuntu hardy (beta) ?
[06:08] <andre_pl> I can't get the nvidia driver to load, Xorg.0.log says 'Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)' but the nvidia module is loaded
[06:09] <crdlb> andre_pl: "X driver"; apparently you're using nv or vesa
[06:10] <crdlb> it could be that bulletproofX is throwing you to vesa though
[06:10] <andre_pl> crdlb: It is indeed.
[06:10] <andre_pl> i found something..
[06:11] <andre_pl> API mismatch: the client has the version 169.12, but
[06:11] <andre_pl> [  406.205624] NVRM: this kernel module has the version 169.09.  Please
[06:11] <andre_pl> [  406.205625] NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver
[06:11] <crdlb> if you look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old, it _might_ show the real error
[06:11] <andre_pl> sorry about that
[06:11] <RAOF> crdlb: Actually, you _can_ load the nvidia blob and not get 3d :)
[06:11] <andre_pl> though it would be cleaner
[06:11] <crdlb> RAOF: since when? :o
[06:11] <crdlb> andre_pl: that works too :)
[06:12] <RAOF> Since nvidia started shipping xorg/modules/libglx.so :)
[06:12] <andre_pl> so, can I roll back the X Driver?
[06:12] <RAOF> andre_pl: It sounds like your using an older kernel?
[06:13] <andre_pl> RAOF: Oh, you might be right actually, I'm dual booting with gutsy and using gutsy's grub, it has an entry directly to this kernel.
[06:13] <andre_pl> that explains it
[06:14] <dbmood1> how is the alpha to beta movement atm - is it safe and how much space do i need ?
[06:15] <crdlb> RAOF: so nvidia + xorg glx "works"?
[06:15] <RAOF> crdlb: Yup.
[06:15] <andre_pl> RAOF, crdlb Thanks. rebooting. I'm sure I'll be right back. :)
[06:15] <nikrud> dbmood1: its just a package update, less than 100mb download I hear
[06:16] <RAOF> crdlb: As someone who's been installing xorg glx _all day_, I guarantee this :)
[06:16] <dbmood1> ok
[06:16] <crdlb> but that doesn't have anything to do with his problem :)
[06:16] <RAOF> True
[06:16] <crdlb> it's the nvidia glx that's giving him the error
[06:16] <dbmood1> doesn't like the new kernel ?
[06:17] <crdlb> RAOF: my only wish is that the nvidia driver could function without the kernel module
[06:18] <m1r> i am installing beta4 alternate cd and i cant see any data of installing but on screen1 , is that ok ?
[06:18] <RAOF> crdlb: Keep a wishin' :)
[06:18] <nikrud> silly crdlb ;)
[06:18] <RAOF> crdlb: For what it's worth, reasonably soon you won't be able to use intel or ati drivers without the kernel module.
[06:18] <crdlb> :o
[06:19] <crdlb> RAOF: but they generally don't die if the version isn't exactly right :)
[06:19] <crdlb> and they're not in l-r-m
[06:19] <RAOF> Yes; more important.
[06:19] <RAOF> And they're easier to keep in sync, yes.
[06:20] <DanaG> Heh, my CPU runs far cooler under Linux than under Vista, even when not completely idle (i.e. not entering sleep states) -- Vista doesn't let the CPU drop down to low speed; instead, it bounces all over the place.
[06:21] <alex_mayorga> what's the package for the new clock? looks like I've managed to crash it
[06:21] <andre_pl> ok, nvidia driver is loaded, yay.
[06:21] <andre_pl> but
[06:21] <andre_pl> i think its running at 1280x800 instead of 1440x900 and its panning to 1440x900
[06:21] <andre_pl> its gross
[06:22] <andre_pl> this "new" screen-resolution applet is kinda crappy.
[06:22] <alex_mayorga> and looks like it took my panels with it :(
[06:22] <DreadKnight> andre_pl: are you having problems with the mouse?
[06:22] <andre_pl> DreadKnight: no. that seems ok.. why?
[06:22] <crdlb> andre_pl: blame nvidia :)
[06:23] <andre_pl> do I still have to configure dual displays through nvidia-settings?
[06:23] <DreadKnight> andre_pl: i had in alpha 6 of kubuntu, it's like the movement of the mouse was calculated for a different lower resolution.. eh
[06:23] <andre_pl> ah, no, the mouse movement is fine
[06:23] <andre_pl> its doing that virtual-resolution thing that X does
[06:23] <m1r> i am installing beta4 alternate cd and i cant see any data of installing but only on screen1 , is that ok ?
[06:23] <DreadKnight> anyone with a wacom tablet around here? D
[06:23] <andre_pl> i dunno what its called, viewports or some nonsense
[06:24] <andre_pl> DreadKnight: I have one, but not working. :)
[06:24] <DreadKnight> andre_pl: ubuntu or kubuntu? not working just in hardy?
[06:24] <andre_pl> its a bamboo, so there is no driver in gutsy
[06:24] <alex_mayorga> how do I recover my panels?
[06:24] <andre_pl> haven't tried hardy yet
[06:25] <flowOver> i have an mx revolution.  when i installed hardy studio it was working. even when i rebooted it would work.
[06:25] <DreadKnight> andre_pl: as i recall, the latest wacom-linux drivers have (at least some) support for bamboo
[06:25] <andre_pl> Yeah, i think it works a little, but most of the features dont
[06:25] <andre_pl> it's my gf's, so I don't really know
[06:26] <DreadKnight> :-)
[06:26] <flowOver> when i turned the mouse off one night, it stopped behaving with the wheel modes and i lost the middle mouse to toggle modes.  how can i configure this back?
[06:26] <RAOF> andre_pl: Yeah, the new screen resolution applet really would like your driver to not suck.  Sadly, nvidia don't provide the "don't suck" interface
[06:26] <andre_pl> hahahha
[06:27] <hrlr> lol
[06:27] <andre_pl> RAOF: What's my alternative? doesn't ATI Suck just as bad for linux drivers?
[06:27] <flowOver> for now
[06:27]  * hrlr can't wait for nouveau
[06:28] <RAOF> andre_pl: Specifically, the resolution applet would really like XRandR 1.2 support.  The radeon drivers, and possibly fglrx (but I'm not sure here) support it, as do intel & nouveau.
[06:28] <andre_pl> i had hardy working with the nvidia driver a few weeks ago, but its been that long since I came back and did some updates.
[06:28] <andre_pl> RAOF: is nouveau usable?
[06:28] <andre_pl> i don't care about 3d performance, I just want tv-out
[06:28] <RAOF> andre_pl: If you don't want 3d, and don't need to suspend.
[06:29] <andre_pl> well, and vga out
[06:29] <andre_pl> nvidia module is required to suspend?
[06:29] <andre_pl> i would think it would interfere if anything
[06:29] <RAOF> I'm not totally sure about TV out.  But nouveau is actually one of the best 2d drivers going around right now.
[06:29] <andre_pl> oh, nouveau won't suspend?
[06:30] <RAOF> andre_pl: You just plain can't suspend with nouveau.  Or rather, you can suspend, but it won't resume.
[06:30] <andre_pl> that sucks, half the reason I want hardy is because its the first version to successfully suspend/resume my laptop
[06:30] <RAOF> Yeah.  None of the suspend/resume stuff is hooked up in nouveau at all.  Someone's working on it.
[06:30] <andre_pl> what about nv? will it do dual monitors?
[06:30] <andre_pl> apparently the nvidia driver wont at the moment anyway.
[06:31] <flowOver> i'm using nvidia driver
[06:31] <andre_pl> flowOver: I always do... and its worked up until now
[06:31] <RAOF> andre_pl: nv will, with a sufficiently new nvidia card (it supports xrandr1.2 as long as you've got an nv5x, ie: 8 series or higher).
[06:32] <andre_pl> hmm... Go 7600
[06:32] <andre_pl> no good?
[06:32] <RAOF> andre_pl: Nope.
[06:32] <RAOF> andre_pl: But you're in the sweetspot for nouveau support, at least :)
[06:32] <andre_pl> ok how do I try it out?
[06:32] <andre_pl> its better than this crap
[06:32] <RAOF> !nouveau
[06:32] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[06:33] <RAOF> Hang on a sec, I'll upload a new snapshot while I think of it :)
[06:33] <hrlr> I get the feeling that nouveau will be like wine though.
[06:33] <andre_pl> so it looks like I found the right guy to help me with this at least :)
[06:33] <hrlr> Never quite "there".
[06:33] <andre_pl> hrlr: I doubt that.. wine has dozens of moving targets.. nouveau has one, and its not moving THAT fast.
[06:34] <RAOF> hrlr: No, I don't think so.  There was a time where the free ATI drivers were _faster_ than fglrx, and nouveau has better infrastructure to work with (gallium is really, really awesome)
[06:34] <RAOF> This was while there was no documentation, too.  There's no reason for the nouveau drivers to not outperform the blob.  It just takes developer-time.
[06:35] <hrlr> But will it be relevant when it is eventually released?
[06:35] <RAOF> I'm still going to have a 7600Go and a 6600GT when it's released.
[06:35] <hrlr> I mean, will it run great on old GPUs but lack the new hardware support?
[06:35] <RAOF> It'll always lag behind the cutting edge hardware, yes.  But so does the blob, for that matter.
[06:36] <VanDyke> sup yal
[06:36] <RAOF> hrlr: But nvidia don't drasticly change their hardware very often (nv5x excepted).
[06:36] <andre_pl> RAOF: i added the repo, did you upload the latest yet?
[06:36] <hrlr> So any new hardware would be easily adapted?
[06:37] <RAOF> Generally, yes.
[06:37] <RAOF> The differences between the various nv5x parts aren't particularly huge.
[06:38] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: would that work on a GeForce go 440?
[06:38] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Yes, probably.
[06:38] <locomo> why alternate CD required for upgrade (in case of offline upgrade) and normal live cd cant be used?
[06:38] <alex_mayorga> I was recently left without video :(
[06:38] <RAOF> locomo: Because the live CD doesn't have any packages on it :)
[06:38] <hrlr> I just wish we could ask users to run a REnouveau dump every time they activate their proprietary nvidia driver in Ubuntu.  :)
[06:38] <locomo> RAOF: and what it have on it?
[06:39] <RAOF> locomo: The process of installing from the livecd is basically just copying over the livecd's filesystem.  From the alternate CD you install from packages (which is why it's a lot slower)
[06:40] <RAOF> andre_pl: I've just uploaded a new snapshot.  It'll be about half an hour before the PPA builds it, though.
 mmm i see, thanks, but i should notice live cd install to slow for just copying image of cd or something, always wondering why its slow...
[06:40] <alex_mayorga> what's the name for the new fancy clock process?
[06:41] <locomo> RAOF: i think it can be tested if you compare copying livecd in installed os to live cd install time
[06:42] <RAOF> locomo: I don't understand what you are saying.  Are you saying that copying ~600MB of data off the livecd takes longer than you'd expect?
[06:43] <locomo> what installing is longer than just copying 700 MB data
[06:43] <locomo> well its still reasonable
[06:45] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: how do I make my gnome-panel crash?
[06:46] <Dog> Is the upgrade procedure the same for Ubuntu Server as it is in the desktop versions?
[06:46] <alex_mayorga> it is already irresponsive/unusable, but is not crashing yet
[06:46] <locomo> so all filesystem now mounted with relatime? and access time updates once a day?
[06:46] <andre_pl> RAOF: i installed it, but how to I use it?
[06:47] <andre_pl> it wasn't an option to choose from the driver list when bulletproof X came up... AGAIN
[06:47] <andre_pl> i hate that thing
[06:48] <m1r> finally loading up 8.04 :)
[06:48] <RAOF> andre_pl: You want need to put "nouveau" as your driver in xorg.conf, and preferably "option" "xrandr12" "true".
[06:48] <andre_pl> RAOF: but my card doesn't support that?
[06:49] <RAOF> andre_pl: See http://cooperteam.net/xorg.conf.nouveau for an example.
[06:49] <locomo> how good nouveau work these days? its kind of pre-alpha, no?
[06:49] <RAOF> andre_pl: Oh, no.  Nouveau supports XRandR12 _everywhere_.  The _nv_ drivers only support it on nv5x
[06:50] <RAOF> locomo: nouveau on an nv4x is pretty much the fastest 2D X driver available right at the moment.
[06:50] <m1r> omg , whos decision is to put bird on desktop wallpaper ? :D
[06:50] <RAOF> For all those interested in nouveau: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Nouveau_Companion_37
[06:51] <hrlr> lol@mlr  :)
[06:51] <elkbuntu> m1r, it's better than the flat boring stuff we've had, isnt it
[06:51] <m1r> it is nice :D
[06:51] <locomo> you expected to see Hardy Heron on wallpaper ? :)
[06:52] <m1r> oliver hardy acctualy :D
[06:53] <andre_pl> RAOF: I put it in my Xorg and restarted, but I dont see a difference. I'm stuck at 800x600 still.
[06:53] <andre_pl> how can I verify its running?
[06:54] <RAOF> andre_pl: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.  Also, try the screen resolution tool; it should have many more options.
[06:54] <m1r> hmm , in 7.10 my usb wlan was working perfectly , on 8.04 not working
[06:55] <alex_mayorga> anyone that knows how to make gnome-panel to crash for good, it is unusable and non responsive, but has not crashed as far as I can tell
[06:55] <andre_pl> RAOF: only 2 options... no mention of 'nouveau' in my Xorg.0.log
[06:55] <RAOF> andre_pl: Right.  That suggests that it's not working :)
[06:56] <RAOF> andre_pl: So, installing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau should have pulled in a kernel module (linux-nouveau-modules) - you should make sure that this is an apporpriate version.
[06:57] <stefg> I'm looking for the (previously so called) msttcorefonts package. Did the name change? No longer available? Any repo to add ?
[06:57] <m1r> how can i post bug on wireless card ?
[06:57] <stefg> !bug
[06:57] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[06:58] <stefg> !find masttcorefonts
[06:58] <ubotu> No packages matching 'masttcorefonts' could be found
[06:58] <stefg> !find msttcorefonts
[06:58] <ubotu> Found: msttcorefonts, ttf-liberation
[06:58] <stefg> ???
[06:59] <jussi01> stefg: ?
[06:59] <locomo> stefg: its in multiverse
[06:59] <stefg> locomo: ah, thanks
[06:59] <Dog> !find res
[06:59] <ubotu> Found: freeradius-postgresql, jockey-common, jockey-gtk, jockey-kde, kaddressbook (and 227 others)
[06:59] <jussi01> !info msttcorefonts
[06:59] <ubotu> msttcorefonts (source: msttcorefonts): Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.4 (hardy), package size 34 kB, installed size 196 kB
[07:01] <andre_pl> RAOF: I dont see anything in /var/log/messages about that module
[07:01] <andre_pl> the nvidia module is still loaded though :S
[07:02] <RAOF> andre_pl: Well, that's going to break it :)
[07:03] <Dog> Is the upgrade procedure the same for Ubuntu Server as it is in the desktop versions? Can't do update-manager -d, obviously
[07:03] <stefg> Dog: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:03] <RAOF> andre_pl: So, you can do this without rebooting, as follows: stop X, modprobe -r nvidia, modprobe nouveau, start X.
[07:04] <DanaG> Oh, and the DRI module, too.
[07:04] <RAOF> Dog: There's a do-release-upgrade (or possibly do-distribution-upgrade) thing, which you should use.
[07:04] <RAOF> DanaG: No, I don't distribute the DRI module.  You're thinking of the DRM module :)
[07:04] <Dog> sweet.
[07:04] <stefg> Dog: given that your /etc/apt/sources.list points to the hardy repos already
[07:04] <DanaG> Whatever.
[07:04] <DanaG> Stupid acronym.
[07:04] <andre_pl> atal, module nouveau not found
[07:04] <Dog> It does?
[07:04] <DanaG> I mean, it collides with some evil thing now.
[07:05] <Dog> I just installed 7.10 server half an hour ago o.O
[07:05] <stefg> Dog: not by default... and this is not the orthodox way to do it, so better keep a backup before you do it
[07:05] <RAOF> andre_pl: Have you actually installed the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package?  If so, check that you've got the *correct* linux-nouveau-modules-2.6.24-whatever package installed.
[07:05] <stefg> !upgrade
[07:06] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:06] <Dog> stefg: if I pooch this, I won't lose anything meaningful, fresh install anyway
[07:06] <RAOF> Dog: The do-release-upgrade program _is_ the orthodox way to do it.
[07:06] <KalEl> i suppose the artwork will be released only in the final version?
[07:06] <Dog> that link should have it, thanks
[07:06] <Dog> The hardy alpha wallpaper is frickin awesome, actually.
[07:06] <Danaman5> I just upgraded to Haredy, and everything is slow as molasses now
[07:07] <KalEl> which one... i've been using it since alpha 4
[07:07] <Danaman5> apologies for typos, I can barely type at all
[07:07] <KalEl> this one's for Hardy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[07:08] <andre_pl> RAOF: should I be using generic or rt module?
[07:08] <RAOF> andre_pl: Which kernel are you using?  uname -r should tell you what you need.
[07:09] <Danaman5> Xgl is using a ton of memory and cpu.  I didn't have this problem in gutsy, does anyone know what is going on?
[07:09] <andre_pl> RAOF: ok, I got the right module loaded, restarted X, and still stuck at 800x600
[07:10] <RAOF> andre_pl: Try the resolutions thing again?
[07:10] <andre_pl> same
[07:10] <musikgoat> anyone know where to get the countdown banner?  The information here points to an authentication page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta?action=show#head-40b980f7f681f54481d6e7fff6a44daf4a742f7e
[07:10] <RAOF> andre_pl: Does Xorg.0.log say anything about nouveau?
[07:10] <andre_pl> nada
[07:11] <andre_pl> and its in my xorg.conf
[07:11] <RAOF> Could you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:11] <andre_pl> sure
[07:12] <andre_pl> http://rafb.net/p/xJe6O488.html < Xorg.0.log
[07:12] <andre_pl> ttp://rafb.net/p/hXkKR918.html xorg.conf
[07:14] <matyy> is it a know bug that in Hardy Compiz doesn't drow shadows?
[07:14] <Danaman5> oh thank god, I turned off visual effects and my computer runs at a decent speed again
[07:15] <musikgoat> sorry, got lost... anyone know of another location for the hardy countdown banner?
[07:16] <RAOF> andre_pl: Hm.  Do you deliberately have two Screen sections? :)
[07:16] <andre_pl> RAOF: I did,  yes, for TV Out
[07:17] <stefg> I'm unsure wether i should file a regression bug about my DVB-T card (digital Tv) not working anymore. dmesg says 'firmware found' and 'frontend registered', but if i try to watch TV with vlc i get  "DVB: frontend 0 frequency 11954000 out of range". This was working in feisty/gutsy
[07:17] <RAOF> Can you try with a really minimal xorg.conf?  Get rid of the modelines (which may freak out the randr12 code), get rid of the second screen sections, etc?
[07:18] <RAOF> Because your Xorg.0.log tells me that bulletproof X is kicking in and loading VESA for you :)
[07:18] <DanaG> oh hey, can somebody open gparted and see if it can move the beginning of ntfs volumes?
[07:19] <stefg> DanaG: This is asking for trouble.... i wouldn't trust gparted
[07:19] <DanaG> aah.
[07:20] <RAOF> andre_pl: Failing that, posting Xorg.0.log.old may be useful, because it should be the failing X log.
[07:20] <RAOF> I HATE YOU, XORG GIT.
[07:20] <stefg> hehe
[07:20] <DanaG> I realized that I have a 40-gig partition for Ubuntu (moy primary OS, actually), a 60-gig for Vista (which I use when I need Windows), and a 60-gig for XP; I'm considering trimming down that XP since I rarely ever ever use it.
[07:21] <Danaman5> have there been any bugs reported for the gnome-settings-daemon?
[07:21] <Danaman5> it refuses to start in Hardy for me
[07:22] <stefg> DanaG: use some windows backup software to take images of the partitions, do a clean repartitioning of your hd and restore the backups... and gain a backup along the way
[07:22] <m1r> can someone help with bug report ? under which project should i post wireless bug ?
[07:22] <KalEl> now i only wish foxmarks and gmail manager extensions authors upgrade them to support ff3b4
[07:23] <andre_pl> RAOF: nothing in xorg.0.log about nouveau either
[07:23] <DanaG> I have only my old 75GB drive to back up into.... but then again, I'll probably get a big backup drive anyway, soon.
[07:24] <stefg> DanaG: the trouble is that ntfs support in linux is limited.... i consider resizing ntfs with a reverse engineered file system driver too dangerous
[07:26]  * stefg is off for a reboot to try another firmware for his DVB card
[07:28] <DanaG> Oh hey, how much space should I reserve for a "just for the sake of curiosity" installation of Ubuntu on a PS3?
[07:29] <DanaG> It's a friend's PS3, but I'll be using my old 75GB drive, that I'll also be putting my MyDocs stuff on.
[07:30] <DanaG> And how about swap size?
[07:31] <DanaG> Eeh, from the wiki, it looks like I should do the PS3 thaaaang first.
[07:36] <Lynoure> DanaG: hardy on PS3? That's funny way to test the beta :)
[07:37] <DanaG> Is there even a PS3 version of Hardy?
[07:38] <jimmygoon> What arch is PS3?
[07:38] <DanaG> PPC.
[07:38] <jimmygoon> ubuntu doesn't maintian ppc anymore does it
[07:40] <jimmygoon> stefg, if it makes any difference I've resized my ntfs partitions amny times... the read/write is actually stable now (its been included for a year now I think) allbeit slow at times and the resizing is a separate process anyhow
[07:40] <DanaG> Eeh, I'll wait until I get a backup drive.
[07:40] <DanaG> But I can at least move stuff around, first.
[07:41] <musikgoat> can anyone tell me if there is a secret username/password needed for https://www-admin.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown
[07:43] <_ruben> musikgoat: it being an admin page, im guessing its ubuntu council/canonical access only
[07:43] <stefg> jimmygoon: YMMV .... i saw quite a few people in #ubuntu who had their data eaten by gparted, especially when the partition table was in bad shape before. I don't say it's impossibel, i say i wouldn't advise it
[07:44] <musikgoat> I'd guess as well,  but why is it offered here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta#head-40b980f7f681f54481d6e7fff6a44daf4a742f7e
[07:44] <DanaG> Hmm, remember testdisk first.
[07:44] <jimmygoon> huh. well. its your data after all ;)
[07:44] <DanaG> Who created that software, anyway?
[07:44] <_ruben> musikgoat: someone put the wrong url there
[07:44] <richard__> go go beta paaaartey! FD
[07:44] <richard__> ;D
[07:44] <DanaG> It's saved my data (and others', too) soooo many times.
[07:44] <_ruben> should www instead of www-admin
[07:44] <jimmygoon> jesus firefox is hard to get around security cert problems
[07:45] <DanaG> jesus firefox?
[07:45] <DanaG> Sorry, making a joke.
[07:45] <jimmygoon> haha
[07:45] <richard__> christian ubuntu?
[07:45]  * jimmygoon rolls eyes
[07:45] <DanaG> my variant is 'jeeez'
[07:45] <_ruben> musikgoat: looks like the url on the website itself is also wrong
[07:45] <musikgoat> _ruben: thanks, fixed the wiki
[07:46] <richard__> I wonder why sound wont work...
[07:46] <richard__> pulseaudio *mumble*
[07:46] <_ruben> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown also shows that poup, but can be canceled, but wont show the countdown
[07:46] <musikgoat> _ruben: hmmm...
[07:46] <Johan-_> no beta yet?
[07:46] <Johan-_> :(
[07:47] <stefg> BTW .. to whom it may concern. VLC disabled some playlist parsing features for security reasons, so anyone using it for TV will need a new playlist for zapping thru the channels
[07:47] <richard__> therei s a beta!!! :D
[07:47] <_ruben> Johan-_: it *is* out
[07:47] <richard__> GET IT AND JOIN THE BETA PARTAY! :D :D :D
[07:47] <Johan-_> oh, not in my apt-get ./
[07:47] <Johan-_> :/
[07:47] <DanaG> What party?
[07:47] <richard__> ah
[07:47] <richard__> the one in my house
[07:50] <matyy> does someone with a nvidia card have shadows with compiz?
[07:51] <DanaG> Must quit to muck around with removing drive letters (in windows).
[07:52] <mmmiiikkkeee> i am getting this error when i run "sudo apt-get upgrade"   http://pastebin.com/m1018a09c    is this the right place to ask how to resolve this?
[07:55] <stefg> mmmiiikkkeee: i'm VERY tempted to just mumble /topic .... :-)
[07:56] <Johan-_> so how to get the beta? What sources do I need do add to get it NOW? :)
[07:57] <stefg> Johan-_: so what do you have now?
[07:58] <Johan-_> stefg: running latest alpha, and use the swedish sources
[07:59] <stefg> Johan-_: so if you did your updates you should already be on the beta...
[07:59] <Johan-_> stefg: but shouldn't there be any new updates from the latest alpha up to the beta?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> mmmiiikkkeee: run a dist-upgrade.
[08:00] <Hobbsee> mmmiiikkkeee: and where did you come from?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> as in, gutsy, or?
[08:02] <stefg> Johan-_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade... There is no formal beta release except for the CD images to be rebuilt. so if you got your latest updates, say. yesterday, then you probably have it already
[08:02] <Hobbsee> stefg: that may be a problem with the upgrader.
[08:02] <Hobbsee> stefg: as for why he's not doing a dist-upgrade to resolve it, i've got NFI, and suggest the /topic, but...
[08:02] <mmmiiikkkeee> i had read else-where that the issues with "libc6" were resolved;  I was just confused why i am having an issue with it.  Are you saying this is not the right place for me to look to resolve this? If so Please let me know I will search/ask some where else. I did read the topic and i do believe that i now how to deal with the listed things.  dist-upgrade does the exact same thing
[08:03] <Johan-_> stefg: I know the beta is just a snapshot but I was sort of hoping for some more updates of something :)
[08:03] <stefg> Hmmm... don't know. I did a fresh alpha 5 install, did a dist-upgrade yesterday, got no updates today. everything works, and i *think* i have the beta now
[08:05]  * stefg is stressing the fact that this is the first ubuntu beta release where stefg has nothing to really moan about .... quite unusual :-)
[08:06] <stefg> mmmiiikkkeee: would a fresh install be an option ?
[08:07] <DanaG> Ugh, no "tell me what's using the drive" feature.
[08:07] <mmmiiikkkeee> Hobbsee: I was upgrading from gutsy(kubuntu).  the graphical updated crashed and I tryed to 'finish it' in the terminal but it won't install anything at all
[08:07] <DanaG> That's another thing sorely missing in Windows, that's in Hardy now.
[08:08] <Hobbsee> mmmiiikkkeee: did the graphical updater let you file a bug?
[08:08] <Hobbsee> stefg: dist-upgrades are usually a pain
[08:09] <Hobbsee> mmmiiikkkeee: and if you're in the middle of a dist-upgrade, then run 'sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade'
[08:10] <marlun> I've got a extern monitor connected to my laptop. When I installed ubuntu it was connected and everything was shown at it but the first time I restarted and got into gnome everything is shown on the laptop screen. The progressbar before gnome is opened is shown on the extern screen. How can I use the extern screen now?
[08:10] <mmmiiikkkeee> i click the bug report button but then some thing "core dumped" and i got LOTS of errors.  and nothing loaded to report the error
[08:10] <marlun> I can't find any Monitor settings in System > Preferences.
[08:11] <mmmiiikkkeee> i think you mean sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade ??? that give the same problem: libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.7-5ubuntu2) but 2.7-9ubuntu2 is installed
[08:12] <RAOF> marlun: Tried system->Preferences->Screen Resolution?
[08:12] <RAOF> marlun: You should be able to set up dual-head there
[08:13] <marlun> RAOF: all I have there is my laptop screen and I see no option for dual screen.
[08:13] <RAOF> marlun: Hm.  What card/driver?
[08:13] <stefg> RAOF: checking that on my box the item seems to have disappeared here, too. we had a xorg update, and i swear it was there before
[08:14] <marlun> RAOF: Nvidia
[08:15] <RAOF> marlun: Right.  If you haven't installed the binary drivers (System->Hardware Drivers), then you're using the nv drivers which are (A) crap and (B) don't support dual head (IIRC).
[08:15] <marlun> What is prefered to have the extern screen connected when installing or connect it after the install? (could that make any difference?)
[08:15] <marlun> RAOF: I have installed those and they are enabled.
[08:15] <DanaG> Oh yeah, would I really be better off with ATI?
[08:16] <DanaG> In summer, I mean -- end of June.
[08:16] <RAOF> marlun: In that case, you want to install the "nvidia-settings" package, and then System->Administration->Nvidia Settings
[08:17] <richard__> functionality wise I think they are mostly the same
[08:17] <marlun> RAOF: ok, will try :) thanks.
[08:19] <RAOF> Man, nouveau + xserver git is _fast_.
[08:19] <m1r> what i need to do to get installed sun-java6 ? ubuntu restricted extras ?
[08:19] <RAOF> m1r: I'd suggest installing the "sun-java6-jre" package :)
[08:19] <RAOF> m1r: In fact, "aptitude search sun-java" should give you some pointers :)
[08:20] <m1r> ok
[08:20] <marlun> RAOF: it worked :) thank you very much,
[08:20] <m1r> RAOF , search shows nothing :/
[08:20] <RAOF> marlun: nVidia are special.  Basically nothing but their tolls will do anything.
[08:20] <m1r> do i need to enable some repositoryes ?
[08:21] <RAOF> m1r: "aptitude search sun-java" doesn't return anything?
[08:21] <DanaG> tolls?
[08:21] <DanaG> tools?
[08:21] <m1r> RAOF, no
[08:21] <DanaG> trolls?
[08:21] <Dr_willis_> !find sun-java
[08:21] <marlun> RAOF: their trolls? :) Their own software?
[08:21] <arvind> I have reinstalled Firefox beta 4 and when i open it , it says process is already running. I restarted my system and when i opened it again , it says the same. What should i do now?
[08:21] <ubotu> Found: sun-java5-bin, sun-java5-demo, sun-java5-doc, sun-java5-fonts, sun-java5-jdk (and 12 others)
[08:21] <RAOF> tOOls :)
[08:21] <RAOF> m1r: It's in multiverse (being non-free and all).
[08:21] <Johan-_> any one have netatalk working? I had it working fine in 7.10 upgraded to 8.04 and still working. Now I'm on a new install of 8.04 with my old configfiles but it still doesn't work
[08:21] <mmmiiikkkeee> running "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" i get:   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60389/
[08:21] <marlun> hmmmm :) I read trolls... weird :P
[08:21] <m1r> ok tnx i try enable
[08:22] <mneptok> m1r: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[08:22] <RAOF> He'll need multiverse enabled, of course.
[08:22] <arvind> pls help
[08:22] <mneptok> RAOF: he could be a machine telepath.
[08:22] <mneptok> RAOF: those guys are *all over* IRC
[08:23] <Dr_willis_> arvind,  you could try moving your .firefox dir, then restarting firefox
[08:23] <DanaG> I use the java7 plugin, even though it's not guaranteed functional.
[08:24] <m1r> i have hardy multiuniverse  enabled , but still no luck with java
[08:24] <mneptok> m1r: sudo apt-get update
[08:25] <Dr_willis_> I normally install the ubuntu-restricted-extras  package and it grabs it as well.
[08:25] <Dr_willis_> Yes. a update/upgrade , and try again.. may help
[08:25] <m1r> ok tnx guys i try
[08:27] <m1r> so should i install ubuntu restricted after upgrade ?
[08:29] <m1r> does ubuntu have gnu java installed by default ?
[08:29] <marlun> ls
[08:29] <marlun> whops :)
[08:29] <Dr_willis_> ls -al
[08:29] <Dr_willis_> :
[08:30] <Dr_willis_> :)
[08:30] <Dr_willis_> file not found.
[08:30] <stefg> !codecs
[08:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:30] <marlun> Dr_willis_: not sure why it wouldn't work :P
[08:30] <stefg> Anyone has a repo for w32codecs and libdvdcss for hardy already ?
[08:31] <marlun> When connecting to a windows computer with the remote desktop viewer, what port should I use? I can't seem to connect.
[08:31] <Dr_willis_> Not in the  medibuntu repos yet?
[08:31] <stefg> Dr_willis_: no, seems not. skimming over the site just tells me about gutsy
[08:32] <m1r> what is Seahorse ?
[08:33] <henkjan> m1r: ssh agent
[08:33] <Dr_willis_> stefg,  check the actual ftp site?
[08:33] <m1r> henkjan: i did 1st upgrade and on installing it seems it's stoped on setting up seahorse
[08:36] <stefg> Dr_willis_: they have Feisty packages, and i'm reluctant to try these
[08:36] <Dr_willis_> for the codecs. you could grab the ones from the mplayer site. and the dcss stuff has a script that can install it...
[08:38] <m1r> can someone confirm : seahorse 2.22.0-0ubuntu2 cant update ? or is it really taking it 5 min to updgrade ?
[08:42] <cwillu> !info transmission
[08:42] <ubotu> transmission (source: transmission): free, lightweight BitTorrent client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.06-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 0 kB, installed size 20 kB
[08:42] <stefg> Dr_willis_: just took individual packages from medibuntu... works for know.
[08:42] <stefg> know == now
[08:43] <stefg> ARRRGGHHHH .... how to get rid of that blinking cursor in gnome terminal... the checkbox to turn it off is gone!!! my eyes hurt!!!
[08:44] <Dr_willis_> I like the blinky thing. :)
[08:44] <Dr_willis_> set the blink rate to 100000000000000000000 times a sec!
[08:44] <Dr_willis_> :)
[08:45] <m1r> do i need seahorse package for system to work ?
[08:45] <stefg> NO! if i can't turn the blinking cursor off, i'll move over to fedora :-). If there's one thing i can't stand it's a blinking cursor !! :-)
[08:46] <DanaG> One thing I can't stand: text boxes that look like they have focus, but really don't.
[08:46] <cwillu> stop putting spaces between the last word of the sentence and the punctuation, and maybe I'll help you :p
[08:46] <stefg> cwillu: plenking is one of my trademarks
[08:47] <richard__> but uhhh | woot
[08:47] <cwillu> stefg,  blinking cursors is ubuntu's :p
[08:47] <m1r> oh my, 5 min setting up seahorse , like it is xserver :)
[08:47] <richard__> is alsa still the default in +1 beta?
[08:48] <RAOF> richard__: Yes, and will be for the forseeable future.
[08:48] <marlun> To be able to see my windows computer that is also connected to my home network, do I need to tell Ubuntu which workgroup it should look in?
[08:48] <richard__> RAOF, :o really?
[08:48] <cwillu> stefg, configuration editor (gconf-editor), /desktop/gnome/interface/cursor_blink
[08:48] <bazhang> better to upgrade to kde4 in gutsy then do the dist-upgrade, or the reverse? am currently running kde3 gutsy
[08:48] <Dr_willis_> marlun,  normally it shows all the workgroups here. from what ive seen
[08:48] <richard__> I thought pulse would be the next big thing! THE FUTURE!
[08:48] <m1r> oh finaly managed to get to restricted extras :) tnx guys
[08:49] <marlun> Dr_willis_: hmmm ok, here it finds nothing and I can't use Virtual Desktop Viewer to connect to it, connection fails.
[08:50] <morphir> evolution consumes a lot of cpu on idle (100%), and I can't see any issues on launchpad that adresses this.
[08:50] <marlun> Dr_willis_: I've got windows installed on this computer to and it works from there. :)
[08:50] <Dr_willis_> marlun,   that only prioves you got good wireing. ;0
[08:50] <RAOF> richard__: Pulse doesn't replace ALSA.  ALSA is an audio-driver system, pulse is a sound server.
[08:50] <morphir> have evolution been replaced with thunderbird?
[08:50] <richard__> Ohh..
[08:51] <lacostej> hi. Does anyone know what creates the /dev/disk entries ? Is that udevd ? at what time ?
[08:51] <marlun> Dr_willis_: yeah, thought that wouldn't tell you much :P
[08:51] <Dr_willis_> thers a dozen ways to browse the samba networks.. marlun  i have had MAJOR issues with hardy finding remote networks.. it will work one week, then updates happen and it breaks again.
[08:51] <richard__> Ohhh..
[08:51] <Dr_willis_> marlun,  i perfer the fusesmb tools
[08:51] <richard__> I'm stumped
[08:51] <Dr_willis_> !info fusesmb
[08:51] <ubotu> fusesmb (source: fusesmb): filesystem client based on the SMB file transfer protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.7-1 (hardy), package size 30 kB, installed size 140 kB
[08:51] <stefg> cwillu: ok, i give up. I looked in gconf-editor, but it's not there either. So where is it?
[08:51] <cwillu> stefg, I gave you the path
[08:52] <Dr_willis_> but even that was broken for me a week or so ago.
[08:52] <cwillu>  /desktop/gnome/interface/cursor_blink
[08:52] <richard__> I think I'll have to visit the wikipedia...
[08:52] <stefg> cwillu: ah, yes
[08:52] <richard__> ahhh ESD replacement..
[08:52] <richard__> software mixing..
[08:53]  * stefg feels *much* better now
[08:54] <marlun> Dr_willis_: is it easy to use? :)
[08:54] <Dr_willis_> marlun,  yes. google for 'ubuntu fusesmb wiki' to learn how to use it. :)
[08:54] <cwillu> marlun, nautilus issues?
[08:55] <richard__> hmm there is no ubuntu +2
[08:55] <richard__> I thought I could contact the future
[08:55] <richard__> ask them where I left my slippers, and when an X replacement will appear
[08:56] <marlun> cwillu: no, home network/windows and remote desktop issues :)
[08:56]  * Dr_willis_ installs the Y windowing system
[08:56] <cwillu> marlun, care to elaborate (again)?
[08:57] <Dr_willis_> Ive had severe problems with samba networking/browsing not working in  the testing releases.. its possible its broke again.
[08:58] <PFA> what's a heron?
[08:58] <RAOF> A bird.
[08:58] <PFA> is it like heroin?
[08:58] <PFA> is that drug slang?
[08:58] <bazhang> so no clue about the path to kde4Hardy from kubuntu gutsy? best to dist-upgrade then go for kde4 or the reverse?
[08:58] <Dr_willis_> google.com is our friend.
[08:58] <Dr_willis_> :)
[08:58] <Dr_willis_> lots of bird pictures!
[08:58] <PFA> are people going to ask for "ubuntu hardy heron" and get a light orange variety of smack?
[08:59] <marlun> cwillu: won't see my windows computer on my home network when browsing the windows network in nautilus and I can't find my computer in Vinagre or connect to it if i give it the address.
[08:59] <PFA> is it for pornography?
[08:59] <cwillu> marlun, xp or vista?
[09:00] <marlun> cwillu: server 2008
[09:00] <elkbuntu> PFA, stop now.
[09:00] <Hobbsee> PFA: google is your friend?
[09:01]  * DanaG is going to bed now.
[09:02] <stefg> Any hints on how to import a bookmarks.html file from FF2 into firefox 3? i didn't upgrade an existing profile, i just want to copy over my bookmarks from the gutsy install. But no import wizard, no bookmark manager anymore???
[09:02] <DanaG> Try just copying the file and then restarting Firefox.
[09:02] <DanaG> I mean, copy the file into the new profile.
[09:02] <stefg> Doesn't work
[09:02] <DanaG> Dang.
[09:02] <stefg> Doesn't work
[09:02] <m1r> firefox , if i remove bookmarks toolbar , where does home icon go ?
[09:03] <cwillu> stefg, open the bookmarks, import and backup, from file
[09:03] <DanaG> Away, unless you move the button somewhere else.
[09:03] <Johan-_> Anyone got netatalk to work with ssl in 8.04? Even if it actually compiles with ssl support it won't start the necessary stuff.
[09:03] <DanaG> !info netatalk
[09:03] <ubotu> netatalk (source: netatalk): AppleTalk user binaries. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.0.3-7 (hardy), package size 701 kB, installed size 1932 kB
[09:03] <DanaG> Never used it, actually; thus, I had to ask what it was.
[09:04] <Dr_willis_> stefg,  i use one of those online bookmark keeper-extensions normally :) saves me a lot  of hassles
[09:04] <flowOver> i use googletoolbar
[09:04] <stefg> cwillu: thanks again. i wonder why they needed to put new labels on old boxes. so the wizard is there, it's just called differently
[09:05] <DanaG> You should see the Windows version -- it's quite fugly.
[09:05] <DanaG> Oh, and Home can be dragged off the Bookmarks toolbar.
[09:06] <cwillu> stefg, more people figure it out the first time the new way.  Honestly, it wasn't _that_ hard to find :p
[09:08] <andre3> Fonts are much smaller in Firefox 3 in Hardy compared to Gutsy. Anyone else seen that? I have to change the "Minimum font size" in the preferences to get decently sized fonts.
[09:09] <stefg> cwillu: i'm too old to constantly track the wierd ideas of FF dev's to push things around. So 'open all bookmarks' isn't exactly descriptive for the bookmark manager. i would have expected FF to open /all/ bookmarks in tabs
[09:09] <flowOver> andre3,  its the new font rendering
[09:10] <andre3> flowOver: Aha. Something new in firefox 3?
[09:10] <flowOver> new rendering engine in ubuntu
[09:10] <andre3> Aha. Rendering of fonts?
[09:11] <andre3> What's it called, and how can it be configured somehow?
[09:11] <flowOver> appearance > fonts
[09:12] <andre3> I've changed that to Subpixel smothing
[09:12] <andre3> What do you mean was changed there? Some rendering option?
[09:13] <cwillu> andre3, if you previously had the zoom set to enlarge it a bit, that works differently now
[09:13] <DanaG> Good night
[09:13] <askand>  Is it correct that the restricted drivers manager wont show that I need restricted drivers when running from livecd? It shows up after I have installed and rebooted?
[09:14] <andre3> cwillu: No, I didn't have any zoom setting done. I was using default settings.
[09:14] <andre3> Setting "Minimum font size" in Firefox fixes it, but it feels like a bad solution.
[09:15] <clusty> weirdest thing happens: if i try to resize the thunderbird compose email window X crashes
[09:19] <andre3> flowOver: What was changed actually? Can I set it back? DPI was different?
[09:20] <gribelu> andre3: try setting layout.css.dpi to 0 in about:config
[09:21] <andre3> gribelu: Sorry, no noticable difference.
[09:22] <gribelu> restared ff?
[09:22] <andre3> yes
[09:22] <gribelu> ah
[09:22] <gribelu> :/
[09:22] <andre3> What does that setting do?
[09:23] <gribelu> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Layout.css.dpi
[09:23] <andre3> thanks
[09:24] <gribelu> maybe try setting it to 96
[09:24] <andre3> -1 Use the host system’s logical resolution or 96, whichever is greater, for interpreting dimensions specified in absolute units. (Default)
[09:24] <andre3> That's what I have
[09:24] <andre3> And 96 DPI is set in Gnome
[09:25] <gribelu> my firefox used to have smaller font too but i configured too much stuff.. i don't remember what did the trick
[09:26] <andre3> It sort of sucks that defaults are changed without any info on how to change it back
[09:26] <gribelu> it's a beta.. :)
[09:26] <andre3> True..
[09:27] <andre3> But I'm pretty sure this won't be documented in release notes once final either;-)
[09:28] <cwillu> andre3, report a bug.  I haven't seen any weird font size changes, so I'm guessing it wasn't deliberate
[09:28] <andre3> Will do that. Thanks.
[09:28] <jin> I cna't go back in firefox  the back button is disabled why?
[09:28] <jin> bug?
[09:28] <gribelu> ubuntuforums has quite a few threads on the subject.. some people have large fonts, others small
[09:31] <cwillu> ubuntuforums fosters an interesting approach to problem solving :p
[09:31] <cwillu> tweak first, ask questions later
[09:31] <cwillu> makes for an interesting set of problems months down the line in my experience :p
[09:33] <cwillu> I've seen a few bugs (a hal issue with a vantec external usb enclosure is the latest that sticks out in my mind) where the solution that was eventually found on page 18 didn't work for anybody just tuning in, because of what somebody else tried on page 13 that didn't seem to fix it, but ended up being required to make the solution work
[09:34] <gribelu> so only 18 pages to read
[09:34] <gribelu> sweet
[09:34] <cwillu> :)
[09:34] <cwillu> it was a short topic :p
[09:41] <Unksi> hmm, can anyone edit any documents with openoffice?
[09:42] <Unksi> suddenly, i can't seem to be able to edit any documents because it thinks the content is read only
[09:54] <Hestv4> with the latest kernel my computer just reboots when X should start
[09:54] <Hestv4> known bug?
[09:55] <Dr_willis_> be sure it dident install the 386 kernel when you want the -generic kernel
[09:56] <Hestv4> I didn't choose anything ;)
[09:56] <Hestv4> I just follow the updates
[09:57] <Dr_willis_> double check what you are using
[09:57] <Dr_willis_> the 386 kernel kept getting reinstalled as the default for me last few weeks
[09:58] <Hestv4> -2.6.24-12-generic
[09:58] <Hestv4> 2.6.24-11 works
[09:59] <Hestv4> sometimes I can get the system up if I choose recovery and start X from there
[09:59] <Hestv4> this is a "strange" via epia mini-itx
[09:59] <Hestv4> if that matters
[10:01] <theunixgeek> Where can I get the Hardy wallpaper without the heron?
[10:02] <Hestv4> Dr_willis: root_dev 0x6801 instead of root_dev 0x801, can that matter?
[10:03] <Dr_willis_> Hestv4,  no idea on that..  sorry.
[10:03] <Dr_willis_> i wonder if the hd is slow to spinup?
[10:03] <Hestv4> no no
[10:04] <Hestv4> it's already spinning when X should start you know...
[10:04] <Hestv4> hmm.. I can try with nosplash to see if that helps
[10:04] <Dr_willis_> i alwyas disable the splash and framebuffer
[10:06] <theunixgeek> Can anyone send me their /usr/share/pixmaps/wallpaper as a tar.gz or zip file? :)
[10:08] <Hestv4> Dr_willis: it helped.
[10:08] <Hestv4> but that's not the way to run it :(
[10:08] <Hestv4> "everything should work", right?
[10:12] <Hestv4> theunixgeek: cannot access /usr/share/pixmaps/wallpaper: No such file or directory
[10:12] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: backgrounds instead of wallpaper, sorry
[10:13] <luke__> Hello, I have a rendering error and I don't know what is causing it, I just upgraded from 7.04 and it's been doing it ever since, here is a screeny
[10:13] <Hestv4> theunixgeek: I have nothing special there...
[10:13] <luke__> http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/TheFuzzball/Kubuntu%20Hardy%20problems/snapshot3.png
[10:13] <[mbm]> anyone try xen in hardy yet?
[10:13] <jessica> i need help with my webcam i can get it working but when i put it on my whole system freeze's
[10:13] <[mbm]> noticing some odd glitches trying
[10:14] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: if you go into system > preferences > appearance > wallpaper, hold the mouse cursor over the wallpaper and that's the directory :P
[10:14] <luke__> does anyone know how to fix this problem, it is intolorable
[10:14] <Hestv4> theunixgeek: /usr/share/backgrounds then
[10:14] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: ah, that's it :)
[10:16] <jessica> my system freezes when i put my webcam
[10:16] <jessica> how can i stop it freezes
[10:16] <theunixgeek> jessica: more detail, please?
[10:16] <theunixgeek> jessica: what do you mean by "it freezes" ?
[10:17] <jessica> my whole system stops i carnt move my mouse my music playing stops and i to retart it by the restart button
[10:17] <[mbm]> luke__: Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" in your xorg.conf and see if that fixes it (looks like an EXA bug)
[10:17] <Hestv4> theunixgeek: either you're not accepting the dcc, or there's a damn firewall somewhere...
[10:17] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: probably a firewall.
[10:17] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: citiskyline@yahoo.com
[10:17] <lintel> hi, I just tried the new 8.04ß KDE4 Live CD. My QN: If my Atheros AR5007eg isn't supported => then the same occurs for Ubuntu and I can 4get Hardy for my laptop?
[10:18] <luke__> [mbm]: thanks, I'll try it
[10:18] <theunixgeek> lintel: have you tried the regular, non-alpha ubuntu? (7.10)
[10:18] <Hestv4> theunixgeek: ahh, I'm not registered on the irc network.. that's it
[10:18] <theunixgeek> oh ok
[10:19] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: /msg nickserv register [NICKNAME] [PASSWORD]
[10:19] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: type that in ^
[10:19] <[mbm]> lintel: there are some unofficial madwifi patches for that -- is this an eeepc?
[10:19] <lintel> theunixgeek: AR5007eg was never supported so far
[10:19] <theunixgeek> lintel: ok
[10:19] <[mbm]> (seems to be the most common use of those chips)
[10:19] <luke__> [mbm]: where am I putting this option?
[10:20] <Hestv4> theunixgeek: I know.. but I'm registered on too many networks already...
[10:20] <theunixgeek> ok
[10:20] <Hestv4> theunixgeek: mail sent...
[10:20] <lintel> [mbm]: I know there are, but I report here, since IMHO UBU should support this quite common device "out of the box"
[10:20] <[mbm]> luke__: device section
[10:20] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: ok thanks
[10:20] <luke__> ta
[10:21] <[mbm]> lintel: well, issue is actually that madwifi hasn't accepted the 5k patches
[10:21] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: hmm... I'm not getting it. can you try citiskyline@gmail.com :)
[10:21] <lintel> [mbm]: indeed, but I really wonder how Mandriva Beta did it then?
[10:22] <[mbm]> lintel: presumably by hacking together an unsupported madwifi release, which imho is not the way to do it
[10:22] <lintel> [mbm]: NB his is NO nagging, but I want UBU to work for many pple
[10:22] <[mbm]> (that's fine for personal use, but don't distribute something and expect the madwifi team to support it)
[10:23] <lintel> [mbm]: in fact I tried the last madwifi hack as posted @ UBU-forums but it never worked
[10:24] <[mbm]> lintel: ditto, I have an eeepc that happens to have one of those cards, but I'm being patient with the madwifi teamand understand their reasons for rejecting a new hal binary blob which may introduce more bugs
[10:24] <[mbm]> lintel: mbm.openwrt.org/eee .. I have a patched madwifi sources posted there
[10:25] <lintel> [mbm] avail. via apt-get?
[10:25] <[mbm]> sources. not packages
[10:26] <lintel> [mbm]: :( I tried these in vain, thanks nevertheless
[10:26] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: hm... I'm not receiving it. What's the subject?
[10:26] <Hestv4> backgrounds.tgz
[10:26] <Hestv4> Mar 21 11:25:10 bunke postfix/smtp[27987]: 5E8CC1FF81CD: to=<citiskyline@gmail.com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[64.233.183.27]:25, delay=144, delays=1.3/0/1.3/141, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1206095110 f4si11130355nfh.26)
[10:27] <[mbm]> lintel: it's trivial to compile, but out of the scope of this particular channel
[10:27] <[mbm]> and yes it does have the atheros 5k support
[10:27] <Hestv4> theunixgeek: check yahoo again. they were greylisting me
[10:27] <[mbm]> some time when I'm not so lazy I may be inclined to compile the hardy packages you require
[10:27] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: no, still not there
[10:28] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: let me empty my spam and then resend it in case it went into spam
[10:28] <[mbm]> anyone play with xen yet?
[10:28] <lintel> [mbm]: please link
[10:29] <Hestv4> theunixgeek: http://ambricka.se/tmp/backgrounds.tgz
[10:29] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: thanks :) it's downloading
[10:29] <[mbm]> lintel: subdirectory of what I linked before, specifically http://mbm.openwrt.org/eee/kernel/wifi/madwifi-src-patched.tar.gz
[10:30] <[mbm]> (make sure to remove your existing madwifi modules first so you don't mix them up)
[10:31] <theunixgeek> Hestv4: thank you very much :)
[10:59] <Hestv4> next box will be a mythbuntu
[11:16] <hardytestrun> hello there
[11:16] <hardytestrun> had some trouble with hardy beta, is does not detect my nvidia card with restricted hardware manager
[11:16] <hardytestrun> any one has the same experience?
[11:17] <hardytestrun> i had to resort to envy to get it up and running
[11:19] <hardytestrun> for the rest , it look pretty good
[11:19] <hardytestrun> looks
[11:19] <hardytestrun> just wondering why they keep those gnome games in gnome
[11:19] <hardytestrun> hehe
[11:19] <hardytestrun> :P
[11:21]  * [mbm] noticed several xen bugs but nobody here seems interested
[11:22] <fromport> everybody is interested but it doesn't seem to have priority :-(
[11:22] <hardytestrun> yes i see
[11:22] <hardytestrun> maybe the wrong time?
[11:23] <[mbm]> doubt it, there have been bugs opened in launchpad for awhile with no official response
[11:24] <hardytestrun> all are at a conference some how?
[11:24] <hardytestrun> :P
[11:25] <fromport> xen-3.2 was updated this week. there is response ;-)
[11:25] <hardytestrun> does it have an decent gui frontend now? ( xen )
[11:26] <[mbm]> fromport: hardly; the xen kernel is compiled with everything xen as modules and yet initramfs is completely clueless about xen, as if nobody had even bothered trying to boot hardy under xen
[11:27] <[mbm]> and assuming you look past that *cough* minor oversight, the networking is broken
[11:27] <fromport> i filed the bugreport about "networking notworking" ;-)
[11:28] <[mbm]> noticed that one
[11:28] <hardytestrun> well there still is some time before final release
[11:29] <fromport> i'm using KVM right now. that is working really nice. Only thing that's unclear to me is how to get public ip bridging enabled: the wiki's aren't clear at all/dont work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KvmWithBridge
[11:29] <hardytestrun> lets hope for you they take a look at the xen issue
[11:29] <hardytestrun> and the restricted hardware not detecting nvidia cards...
[11:30] <hardytestrun> any way got to call it a rap, see you all next time
[11:30] <hardytestrun> :P
[11:30]  * [mbm] has a few colo servers running xen and ubuntu domUs under .. users can't upgrade to hardy because it breaks xen
[11:30] <henkjan> [mbm]: does it break the dom0?
[11:31] <drainman> if i install hardy now, will it upgrade to the rls version?
[11:31] <[mbm]> henkjan: likely, although I haven't been crazy enough to switch a dom0 over to hardy when it won't even run as a domU
[11:31] <drainman> when it comes out i mean
[11:31] <fromport> hardytestrun: my wife's laptop with a nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce Go 6600] is recognised perfecty and running accelerated X ;-)
[11:31] <fromport> drainman: sure, why not?
[11:32] <henkjan> [mbm]: talk to zul in #ubuntu-server
[11:32] <drainman> i just dont want to reinstall it and stuff
[11:32] <fromport> henkjan: i'm talking for the last few days to zul on #xen ;-)
[11:32] <fromport> he's starting to dislike me ;-)
[11:33] <DarkMageZ> anyone used usenet on ubuntu? which client would you recommend ?
[11:34] <henkjan> fromport: :)
[11:40] <foxiness> hi,am working with GPRS conn ,the epiphany change to workoffline often when am online ,how can i tell the network manager am online or is there workaround ?
[11:41] <foxiness> am using Gnome-ppp to conn
[11:41] <jng>  i just installed hardy and in the install it spotted my gutsy install and offered to import accounts -- neat.  I passed on the option (not sure how much it would have done) but wonder if there is any way to do this post-install -- or any doc of what it would have done?
[11:49] <caffeineguy> Realtek ALC268 just won't work. whenever any sound is played it just goes into an eternal echo thing.
[11:49] <caffeineguy> on latest backports to
[11:50] <caffeineguy> login sound just repeats five or six times tough
[11:52] <caffeineguy> *drinks coffee and tinkers on*
[11:54] <mollitz> wie kann ich von hardy alpha auf beta upgraden? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:59] <mollitz> wie kann ich von hardy alpha auf beta upgraden? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:00] <coz_> any issues with todays updates/
[12:00] <orkun> compiz nukes my webbrowser's rendering speed(opera and firefox) - will i be able to avoid that effect using xserver-xephyr to open another xsession in a window?
[12:00] <Hobbsee> mollitz: ja.
[12:02] <foxiness> the output of badblocks are "Pass completed, 37 bad blocks found." ,what i need to do next?
[12:03] <TheInfinity> foxiness: buy a news hdd ;)
[12:03] <TheInfinity> -s
[12:03] <foxiness> lol
[12:03] <foxiness> ok cancel -- i will select cancel
[12:04] <TheInfinity> you can still use this hdd, but you will get more and more bad blocks which means more and more data loss
[12:05] <foxiness> even if i will delete all partition and start form 0
[12:05] <TheInfinity> this has nothing to do with partitions
[12:05] <mollitz> ohh this is english i am sorry ;)
[12:06] <mollitz> ok the problem is, nothing happens
[12:06] <mollitz> on update he is downloading 7 MB of new sources but on upgrade and dist-upgrade nothing happens!
[12:06] <mollitz> how can i check the ubuntu version ?
[12:07] <neoset> anyone here successfully installed (k)ubuntu hardy on nvraid with installed XP on it?
[12:07] <foxiness> TheInfinity, k thank u a lot
[12:07] <TheInfinity> neoset: nvraid is fake raid
[12:07] <neoset> i know
[12:07] <TheInfinity> -> makes no sense and is simulated in xp
[12:07] <TheInfinity> so you cant use it
[12:08] <mollitz> is it possible to use a fake raid with both, linux and windows
[12:08] <TheInfinity> yes linux can use its own soft raid
[12:08] <TheInfinity> but this can be done without nvidia
[12:09] <mollitz> ok
[12:09] <mollitz> im off bye
[12:10] <neoset> so you have to install linux first and then windows?
[12:10] <glowy> hey guys, my 8.04 beta installation is stuck at 100%. what should i do?
[12:10] <mollitz> ^^
[12:10] <TheInfinity> neoset: windows cant use linux soft raid
[12:10] <TheInfinity> because its soft raid ans simulated by linux kernel
[12:11] <neoset> so it is impossible dualbooting windows and linux on fake raid?
[12:11] <TheInfinity> you can set up for every os an own fake raid
[12:11] <TheInfinity> but soft raid has no sense on user systems
[12:12] <glowy> any1 know what to do with stuck installation?
[12:14] <fromport> glowy: The five R's of windows tech support: Retry, Reboot, Reinstall, Replace & Resign
[12:14] <glowy> fromport: well i thought i'd install ubuntu to not have windows probs
[12:15] <fromport> glowy: got you! ;-)
[12:15] <fromport> what do you mean with "stuck at 100%" the graphical progress indicator?
[12:16] <glowy> fromport: so is there no other solution than totally reinstalling it?
[12:16] <fromport> dunno, but you're not giving much detailed info, so nobody is responding
[12:16] <glowy> ok what should i tell u? os: ubuntu 8.04beta
[12:17] <glowy> partitioning worked flawlessly
[12:17] <fromport>  < fromport> what do you mean with "stuck at 100%" the graphical progress indicator?
[12:17] <glowy> and at the step "installation protocolls are being copied" (100%) it's stuck
[12:18] <x1101> how long has it been stuck?
[12:18] <minimec> Hi. I am setting up a sources.list for hardy. What do you think, should I add the medibuntu repo or is hardy good enough, when it comes to multimedia and codeces...
[12:18] <soto> foxiness: You can specify -c to mkfs so it avoids using detected bad blocks. But your drive might be failing: Strongly consider replacing it or returning it as defective under warranty.
[12:18] <glowy> x1101, about 30 minutes
[12:19] <x1101> glowy: any install went normally up till now?
[12:19] <glowy> x1101: exactly, everything went smoothly
[12:21] <x1101> glowy: is this a clean install (sorry if i'm asking things you have already said, i just joined the channel)
[12:21] <glowy> x1101: what do u mean with clean install?
[12:22] <foxiness> soto, thanks , i think i will replace it soon
[12:25] <x1101> glowy: are you installing the fresh, or are you upgrading from a previous version of Ubuntu>
[12:25] <glowy> x1101: fresh install and have also gutsy and vista on other partitions
[12:27] <x1101> glowy: have you tried the install more than once?
[12:28] <glowy> x1101: no it's the first time with hardy
[12:28] <glowy> so shall i abort it and try it again?
[12:29] <x1101> glowy: yes, and when it boots, if there is an option to check the disk, do that before you install, there might be an error in your download
[12:29] <glowy> ok ill do that
[12:29] <x1101> glowy: good luck
[12:29] <glowy> x1101: thx
[12:30] <marlun> Anyone have any idea why rdesktop would give me "ERROR: recv: Connection reset by peer" when started? I'm trying to connect to a windows server and I've got remote desktop setup.
[12:30] <freexe> I ran am upgrade to hardy and have had a few issues, it seems to use the 386 kernal and the generic ones causes my system to fail to book
[12:30] <freexe> boot*
[12:31] <glowy> x1101: it booted without problems with the (incomplete) install
[12:32] <glowy> so should i really reinstall?!
[12:32] <x1101> glowy: is anything acting odd?
[12:33] <glowy> x1101: didnt notice til now...
[12:35] <glowy> x1101: what would u do?
[12:35] <savvas> kernel gurus around? do i need the fuseiso package to mount isos in hardy?
[12:36] <x1101>  glowy if it booted on a (partial) install, and everything seems to be working fine, i would try to run 'sudo aptitude update' just to make sure everything is up to date, the try to use it, but be ready for it to fail @ any time, and have to re-install then
[12:36] <_ruben> mounting isos requires loop only
[12:36] <glowy> x1101: ok that sounds reasonable
[12:37] <x1101> glowy: this is a beta after all, we can't expect it to be perfect
[12:37] <glowy> true indeed
[12:37] <x1101> glowy: the other thing you could do is just go to your gusty partition, install virtualbox and try it in there...
[12:38] <glowy> x1101: maybe the install gui wasnt updated but the installation process was already finished
[12:38] <x1101> glowy: or it could have been a bug in the X server
[12:39] <glowy> x1101: could be. as i dont already had some probs with xserver...
[12:39] <x1101> glowy: what kinds of problems
[12:39] <minimec> There are definitly some progresses in Hardy since alpha5. Starts to be quiet nice our new baby...
[12:40] <glowy> problems with the resolution
[12:40] <x1101> glowy: ah
[12:40] <x1101> glowy: widescreen monitor?
[12:41] <madgod> oi anyone here?
[12:41] <minimec> glowy: I have a virtual hardy running here. Guest additions work well... You can test hardy the hard way in Virtualbox...
[12:42] <MenZa> madgod: several people.
[12:42] <madgod> well i need a little help
[12:43] <combat> madgod, why dont you just ask?
[12:43] <madgod> the title bar for firefox is gone or somthing
[12:43] <madgod> i never had this happen before
[12:43] <x1101> glowy: do you have a widescreen monitor, those have always been problematic in linux
[12:44] <glowy> x1101: 16:10 laptop screen
[12:44] <minimec> madgod: >view<sidebar?
[12:44] <madgod> the title menu is gone
[12:44] <madgod> err
[12:44] <madgod> everything above the address bar is missing
[12:44] <tux> anyone else having issues sending email in evolution via gmail's smtp ?
[12:44] <madgod> hold on i have an idea
[12:44] <madgod> nvm that didnt work
[12:44] <combat> madgod, maybe you pressed some f-keys like f11
[12:45] <madgod> nah it was after i used wine to test css
[12:45] <x1101> glowy: that would be the issue
[12:45] <madgod> counter strike was in fullscreen @ 1024x768 and it was gone then and i closed it and its still missing
[12:46] <madgod> err i started firefox when it was in fullscreen
[12:46] <glowy> x1101: but it worked for some time and then the login screen was at 800x600
[12:47] <x1101> glowy: now that is odd, is it right now (post install)?
[12:48] <combat> madgod, did u restart firefox or reboot your pc/notebook?
[12:48] <madgod> yeah both
[12:48] <glowy> x1101: no right now the resolution is okay. another question: which package do i need to install in order to open jar files
[12:48] <madgod> first things i had done
[12:48] <madgod> i installed opera just to fix it
[12:48] <madgod> but eh
[12:50] <arvind> hi
[12:50] <madgod> oh major lulz i fixed it
[12:50] <madgod> thanks anyways
[12:51] <x1101> glowy: i think you need at least the java jre installed
[12:51] <x1101> glowy: do you install vai command line or GUI
[12:51] <glowy> x1101: both :D im downloading the java 6 webstart via gui now
[12:51] <arvind> i installed HH alpha6 but i still hav my old kernel shown at the start up
[12:51] <arvind> why?
[12:52] <glowy> arvind: why didnt u install the new beta?
[12:52] <minimec> arvind: Di dyou do an upgrade from gutsy? In this case it is logic.
[12:52] <x1101> glowy: sounds good
[12:52] <arvind> is the beta out?
[12:52] <glowy> arvind: i guess thats just the string in grub loader
[12:53] <arvind> its on 27 th
[12:53] <stefg> Hi, can someone help me remember the name of the compiz-plugin that zooms out and shows your desktops/viewports side by side ... i had that on ubuntu gutsy, but can't remember the name or find out if i have it already
[12:54] <arvind> glowy ,i upgraded frm gutsy o
[12:55] <combat> stefg, maybe expo?
[12:56] <arvind> when is HH beta release?
[12:56] <minimec> arvind: As you upgraded from gutsy, hardy keeps the latest gutsy kernel to have a running system in case of fail... I guess with sudo apt-get autoclean you can remove it.
[12:56] <glowy> arvind: so i'm pretty sure u have the new kernel installed. the string at startup doesnt check the kernel but just display the predefined
[12:57] <arvind> i have 2.6.24.12 kernel
[12:57] <arvind> glowy,wat abt beta
[12:59] <stefg> combat: thx.. #compiz-fusion got me going
[13:01] <Wicks> Hi all - just upgraded to hardy beta... when logging into gnome, I'm getting "gnome-settings-deamon" not starting...
[13:01] <Wicks> i have a feeling it has something to do with XGL on previous installation - anyone else had the same problem?
[13:04] <vega--> Wicks: yes, occasionally
[13:04] <vega--> Wicks: .. and started from terminal works ok
[13:04] <vega--> i vaguely remember a workaround in some bugreport
[13:07] <Wicks> vega--, so just tyoe gdm at the terminal?
[13:07] <arvind> i am using hardy alpha,but not sure which version i m using
[13:07] <arvind> how to find which version of HH i m using?
[13:07] <combat> arvind, Hary is 8.04
[13:07] <combat> ^^
[13:07] <sebr> dudes, i have a problem when updating to hardy
[13:08] <sebr> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libc6
[13:08] <arvind> i want to know whether i m using alpha 5 or 6
[13:08] <vox> anyone know why mousekeys would turn itself on every 2-3 days for no apparent reason?
[13:09] <combat> arvind, after installing hardy you are permanently getting updates, so you cant exactly find out which alpha-version you are using
[13:10] <arvind> i m not getting updates
[13:10] <spawn57> then the same one you were using ..
[13:10] <combat> arvind, you should, open the update-manager or type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:11] <Davo_Dinkum> Will KDE4 be in hardy?
[13:11] <vega--> Davo_Dinkum: no
[13:12] <arvind> i m not getting updates on HH
[13:13] <minimec> arvind: Whe you just did the upgrade, you should be up to date...
[13:13] <arvind> i upgraded to HH yesterday
[13:13] <arvind> is beta released?
[13:13] <sebr> i can't upgrade :(
[13:13] <sebr> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libc6
[13:14] <sebr> what am i supposed to do about that
[13:14] <combat> arvind, yesterday, so maybe there are no updates yet
[13:14] <minimec> arvind: verify your /etc/apt/sources.list.
[13:14] <minimec> arvind: You should be up to date...
[13:14] <arvind> any new repository for HH?
[13:14] <combat> arvind, yesterday beta was released, so most exactly you are running the beta version
[13:15] <arvind> how to find?
[13:16] <arvind> combat ,how to find whether i m using alpha or beta
[13:16] <combat> arvind, you cant find out
[13:16] <combat> arvind, the updates between these minor versions are very smooth
[13:16] <combat> sometimes there are daily updates
[13:17] <combat> the ubuntu-team only releases some minor versions
[13:18] <minimec> arvind: Once you have the hardy repos in /etc/apt/sources.list you are hardy 'bleeding edge' ;)
[13:18] <arvind> what r the hardy repositories?
[13:19] <bazhang> arvind: you going to dist-upgrade?
[13:19] <arvind> bazhang,yes
[13:19] <minimec> bazhang: He did ...
[13:20] <bazhang> arvind: then what is your question?
[13:20] <WelshDragon> Hi, i've got a slightly wierd and annoying problem. I can't open any new internet connections. If i open my browser everything times out. (Including my router)...Updates are not working, none of the online games are working either. But before it all broke, i was already on IRC and had an ssh session open with my server and thye are still working. Any idea how i can get it wroking properly again? (Without Restarting)
[13:20] <minimec> bazhang: He was not sure, what he is running...
[13:20] <arvind> do i want 2 add any new links to my repos?
[13:20] <minimec> arvind: Medibuntu could be your friend.
[13:21] <arvind> k
[13:21] <bazhang> arvind: you want to add 2 new links to your repos? which ones?
[13:21] <arvind> is there any new ones?
[13:23] <MenZa> Medibuntu doesn't have Hardy yet, I believe.
[13:24] <MenZa> Although the Gutsy packages might work.
[13:24] <stefg> WelshDragon: checked if your DNS is working?
[13:24] <WelshDragon> Yes, All my other computers are working fine, Use the same DNS
[13:25] <minimec> MenZa: It does. Just activated it.
[13:25] <arvind> bazhang,are there any new ones?
[13:25] <bazhang> gutsy mediubuntu does work so far with hardy
[13:25] <WelshDragon> Oh nevermind sorry...moblock....
[13:25] <stefg> WelshDragon: Does 'ping www.google.com' work ?
[13:25] <WelshDragon> Fixed
[13:25] <bazhang> arvind: official or not?
[13:26] <WelshDragon> Thanks anyway stefg
[13:26] <arvind> anything?
[13:26] <MenZa> minimec: Oooh.
[13:26] <minimec> MenZa: ...But you have to copy/paste the gutsy line and change manually to 'hardy'
[13:27] <MenZa> minimec: Yeah; I can tell
[13:27] <MenZa> Just browsing the files
[13:27] <arvind> bazhang,anything
[13:28] <arvind> has any one tried swiftweasel
[13:28] <bazhang> arvind: official or not? what do you want to add? in terms of software etc
[13:28] <arvind> bazhang,both
[13:29] <MenZa> minimec: added, updated. :)
[13:29] <bazhang> arvind: that really depends on you; there are some unstable repos you could add; but I will let you find those on your own
[13:29] <arvind> bazhang,give me the official links
[13:30] <slavik> are there issues with keyboards in hardy?
[13:31] <Davo_Dinkum> is there a list of mirrors hosting hardy ISOs?
[13:32] <ompaul> Davo_Dinkum, no - they are not on mirrors you have to go to the cdimage.ubuntu.com to get the sources you want reason - it is not released yet
[13:32] <ompaul> at least that is my understanding
[13:32] <Davo_Dinkum> oh ok
[13:32] <Davo_Dinkum> hi ompaul :D
[13:33] <ompaul> Davo_Dinkum, hi
[13:33] <Davo_Dinkum> :/ sloooow download
[13:33] <arvind> bazhang, give me some official links
[13:34] <vox> any issues with update manager at present? my appears to not be workink
[13:35] <arvind> Vox,it is fine
[13:35] <vox> mmm
[13:36] <arvind> combat, give me some official repos links
[13:36] <vox> my update manager starts and shows what's to be updated. Click on Update, and it just sits... and doesnt bring up the gksudo password box
[13:37] <arvind> vox, reboot ur system and try it again
[13:37] <vox> arvind: i just did
[13:37] <arvind> vox, try updating via Terminal
[13:37] <vox> using apt-get?
[13:38] <arvind> ya
[13:38] <vox> yeah that works fine
[13:38] <minimec> how do you handle RealPlayer streams?
[13:38] <vox> minimec: with realplayer or vlc
[13:38] <arvind> minimec,install mediaplayerconnectivity plugin in firefox
[13:39] <arvind> minimec,i dont know the exact name
[13:39] <minimec> vox: Evry time I do a Ubuntu installation the struggle starts with a good RealPlayer deb. Do you have a good repo?
[13:39] <minimec> arvind: I tried that once too...
[13:40] <vox> i.. just turn uni and multiverse on and install realplayer *shrug*
[13:40] <minimec> Helix doesn't play the streams that I want to watch...
[13:41] <minimec> vox: Hmmm? I have no realplayer...
[13:42] <minimec> no 'realplay' too
[13:44] <mc-george> hey guys, where do I check if a new comp I'm thinking of buying will be compatible with Ubuntu
[13:44] <vox> mc-george: im not aware of any current machines that arent
[13:45] <drainman> anyone have crash when autocompleting in terminal with tab?
[13:45] <vox> there's some older intel chipsets that have issues, thats about it
[13:45] <drainman> i have to force rebook
[13:45] <mc-george> vox: could I paste the specs in here, just to e safe?
[13:45] <vox> mc-george: paste into a pastebin
[13:45] <mc-george> ok
[13:46] <drainman> and the information notification makes my computer crash to...
[13:46] <mc-george> vox: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60408/
[13:46] <ubuntu> hi everyone
[13:47] <ubuntu> I have problems installing hardy 64 bit, it says errno 5
[13:47] <amikrop> In a Feisty installation how could I use Hardy's repos for a while, only for installing a single package, and then change back to the Feisty's repos?
[13:48] <vox> mc-george: looks pretty run-of-the-mill stuff
[13:48] <captainm> amikrop: That's not a good idea
[13:48] <mc-george> vox: thanks
[13:48] <mc-george> vox: I was also wondering if Hardy beta is good for "new linux" users?
[13:48] <tdoggette> ubuntu is reacting as though i am continuously pressing the up button, and the shift and capslock keys do not work. i assume i hit a key combination of some kind, because this happened suddenly.
[13:48] <mc-george> as in safe
[13:48] <vox> mc-george: friend of mine has a similar setup, but quad-core and 8gig of ram
[13:48] <amikrop> captainm: why?
[13:48] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys what is the best way to upgrade from alpha to beta
[13:48] <tdoggette> i cannot reboot, as i cannot save data in open applications
[13:48] <vox> mc-george: i wouldnt use hoary until it's officially released
[13:49] <mc-george> vox: still problems?
[13:49] <arvind> sudo apt-get dist upgrade
[13:49] <captainm> amikrop: there's a good chance it'll mess up you're system
[13:49] <vox> mc-george: it's a work-in-progress, it hasnt been officially released yet
[13:49] <vbabiy-laptop> thanks arvind
[13:49] <amikrop> captainm: even a single package (a game)?
[13:50] <mc-george> vox: ok, I had a lot of people telling me to get it, so as to not have to do a huge upgrade in a month, and that it was pretty much usable
[13:50] <amikrop> I will immediatelly change back to Feisty's repos.
[13:50] <luca85> amikrop: the problem is, that that game will have MANY dependencies
[13:50] <luca85> in system libraries
[13:50] <amikrop> yes
[13:51] <arvind> vbabiy-laptop,dont use that command use this sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:51] <luca85> trust me, I did things like these before, it just becomes a horrible mess
[13:51] <vbabiy-laptop> thanks arvind I will try that
[13:51] <luca85> amikrop refrain and wait for hardy :)
[13:51] <amikrop> luca85: ok :-)
[13:52] <arvind> bazhang,tell me the official repos for HH
[13:53] <mc-george> luca85: he could just get beta
[13:53] <bazhang> arvind: do you have hardy installed now?
[13:53] <arvind> yes i have
[13:53] <arvind> i m not sure its beta or alpha
[13:53] <vbabiy-laptop> How can I check what version I am running
[13:53] <bazhang> arvind: is there some program you cannot install?
[13:53] <chdst> dist-upgrading from a6 to beta...with me luck ^^
[13:53] <arvind> no
[13:54] <chdst> wish, too
[13:54] <minimec> as usual I use the realplayer package from debian-multimedia... You have to put the plugin files in /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b4/plugins
[13:54] <bazhang> vbabiy-laptop: well if you are fully updated then it is beta, assuming you installed hardy at some point
[13:54] <combat> arvind, why dont you wanna know which version you are running?
[13:54] <combat> aeh
[13:54] <combat> why do you
[13:54] <arvind> vbabiy-laptop,i m also trying how to find it
[13:54] <vox> mc-george: it's definately usable, but it's not 100% stable yet, and there's daily updates
[13:54] <tdoggette> incidentally, replacing the keyboard doesn't help
[13:55] <vbabiy-laptop> bazhang: Yeah I am fully updated
[13:55] <bazhang> vbabiy-laptop: welcome to beta ;]
[13:55] <tdoggette> \
[13:55] <slavik> anyone know anything about RT?
[13:55] <vox> slavik: the ticketing system?
[13:55] <tdoggette> ubuntu is reacting as though i am continuously pressing the up button, and the shift and capslock keys do not work. i assume i hit a key combination of some kind, because this happened suddenl
[13:55] <mc-george> vox: if there aren't serious problems, just minor ones most people can live with... I'm just afraid of security problems, and other serious stuff, and seems a lot of people are using it OK
[13:55] <arvind> slavik,what is RT?
[13:56] <slavik> request tracker
[13:56] <slavik> yes, vox
[13:56] <vbabiy-laptop> bazhang: it was only a 8 meg upgrade ?
[13:56] <vox> mc-george: nah no real issues there
[13:56] <arvind> bazhang,i have nt received any updates
[13:56] <vox> slavik: yeah i've used it for a year or so
[13:56] <chdst> slavik: I use it extensively at work. PM if you want
[13:56] <mc-george> vox: so its reasonable safe :p
[13:56] <vox> mc-george: yep
[13:56] <vox> slavik: personally i prefer cerberus
[13:56] <slavik> do you know if it's possible to change the pages? and get it to accept users with same e-mail addresses?
[13:56] <mc-george> vox: then I think I'm gonna download the beta and burn it to cd once I get new comp
[13:56] <bazhang> vbabiy-laptop: how about sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get upgrade? does that have nothing else?
[13:57] <vistakiller> i still have problem with nvidia driver in kubuntu kde 3.5.9
[13:57] <vbabiy-laptop> bazhang: np
[13:57] <vbabiy-laptop> no
[13:57] <chdst> slavik: Not trying to be smart here, but it's open source Perl. It's definitely possible.
[13:57] <bazhang> vbabiy-laptop: and this was from the alpha 6?
[13:57] <vistakiller> the hardware manager dont regognize my 8800gts and the only way is to install the driver with envyng
[13:57] <vbabiy-laptop> bazhang: yeah
[13:58] <arvind> vistakiller,try updating KDE to 4
[13:58] <MenZa> vistakiller: nvidia-glx-new should work.
[13:58] <vox> vistakiller: why not use the nvidia binaries?
[13:58] <vistakiller> is not working
[13:58] <slavik> chdst: I am mainly looking for guides ...
[13:58] <bazhang> vistakiller: kde4 will not change anything contrary to what arvind is saying
[13:58] <vistakiller> i have try to manual install the driver but then the xserver crash
[13:58] <vistakiller> i dont like kde 4 like ti is now :P
[13:59] <vistakiller> it*
[13:59] <vistakiller> i try to reinstall all nvidia packages and restricted modules but still nothing
[14:00] <vistakiller> and finally once more time i have install driver with envy
[14:01] <bazhang> vistakiller: best to learn how to recover from the terminal then; envy could lead to some issues when you have a kernel update for example
[14:02] <vistakiller> i have go to recovery and from there the option to recover the xserver or like that
[14:02] <vbabiy-laptop> bazhang: is there a way to check what version you are running?
[14:02] <arvind> i cant install flash plugin in FF3 b4
[14:02] <vistakiller> in hardy the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is not working to change driver :(
[14:02] <arvind> it says it has some issues
[14:03] <luca85> arvind: it is not in the repos, neither of the two possible choices
[14:03] <vistakiller> arvind the have ton upload addons for ff3
[14:03] <luca85> arvind: as far as I know, we will have to install it manually (i.e. from the tar.gz from the official site) until it is added to the repos
[14:04] <arvind> k
[14:04] <luca85> arvind: I MIGHT be wrong
[14:04] <luca85> but that's my pov :)
[14:04] <vistakiller> bazhang it seems to be the only way to install the driver
[14:05] <vistakiller> i use kubuntu 2 years and this system is from 2 upgrades
[14:05] <vistakiller> i know to use the tools to install driver or to recover my system
[14:06] <vistakiller> i have to say that something is wrong with the nvidia driver in repositories or how to load to kernel
[14:06] <Pres-Gas> Okay, I installed Hardy Beta on a Dell Latitude D630 and having issues with the new wireless drivers.  I am gathering logs for a bug report.  Anyone know of quick links for iwl3945 drivers?
[14:06]  * Pres-Gas thanks the gods he repartitioned and still has 7.10 as well
[14:08] <edgy> Hi, how can I connect to a wireless router with no WEP or WAP encryption? there is no none option?
[14:10] <TheImp> edgy: if your router supports this yes ...
[14:11] <edbash> ubuntu hard users. I'm with a litlle problem with my dsl conection. In the boot, sometimes the dsl conection is up correctly. But to set up the dsl conection after the boot i have to do this: ~cd /etc/init.d; sudo ./networking restart. How can i fix it?
[14:13] <irelinquish> are you using a router?
[14:13] <Lilacor> Pres-Gas: that sounds like a intel card, you should be able to wipe your /etc/network/interfaces clean [back it up first] and then restart to get it working. I have an intel card and this works for me. [not the same model however]
[14:13] <bazhang> vistakiller: well as long as you know how to recover; this is still beta however and there will be some breakage likely in the next month or so
[14:13] <edbash> irelinquish, no
[14:15] <edbash> Lilacor, my network interfacer is ok. not wrong with it
[14:15] <edgy> TheImp: yes my router supports this but knetworkmanager deson't give me this option
[14:16] <TheImp> is it activated in your router?
[14:16] <irelinquish> well i'm about to install 8.04 kde, wish me luck you guys : )
[14:16] <edgy> TheImp: yes
[14:16] <bazhang> good luck irelinquish
[14:17] <TheImp> then networkmanager should do it. otherwise make a bug report with everything you need to analyze it
[14:19] <jessica> i am having a problem updating to hardy
[14:19] <jessica> when i do update-manager -d on gutsy i get a error
[14:19] <jessica> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60409/
[14:20] <edbash> please, in what log file the dsl errors is?
[14:20] <prometheus> when I boot up the alternate cd I get a blank screen
[14:21] <prometheus> is there a kernel switch to bot use X?
[14:21] <jessica> can some one help me update to hardy
[14:23] <edgy> TheImp: any way you can try this yourself?
[14:24] <prometheus> or the kernel switch for text mode
[14:25] <prometheus> or disable the framebuffer
[14:26] <cwillu> prometheus, alternate cd doesn't bring up x as far as I know;  the usual kernel switch though is 'single'
[14:26] <prometheus> ok
[14:26] <cwillu> prometheus, if its just the splash screen causing trouble, just remove 'splash' from the boot line
[14:26] <prometheus> I think loading the framebuffer is locking it up
[14:26] <cwillu> and remove quiet as well if you want to see more debugging info
[14:27] <sachael> hi! where can i get a torrent for the 8.04 beta? site seems down? :/
[14:28] <davek> How's the installer working in HH beta? I'm running it live right now the it looks good, would like to install on hdd if the installer can see my other drives.
[14:28] <prometheus> is goes blank after syslog starts
[14:29] <noelferreira> hi. i just upgraded to hardy and i get this error running gnome-settings-daemon :The program 'gnome-settings-daemon' received an X Window System error.
[14:29] <noelferreira> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[14:29] <noelferreira> The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'. My themes, icons ... don't work! any help?
[14:33] <davek> how's the new installer?
[14:41] <thompa> i just did a fresh install but now no walkman device is showing up, only as usb
[14:41] <thompa> and it is unmountable
[14:46] <flipstar> anyone else had problems with the inet ?
[14:47] <arcticpenguin380> should i mount my /home if i have to reinstall Hardy? I have to use gutsy to get to hardy
[14:48] <flipstar> would make sense
[14:48] <arcticpenguin380> wont the older programs mess up the config files?
[14:49] <vistakiller> ok i was afk, I can live with manual nvidia driver install :)
[14:50] <vistakiller> is np
[14:50] <flipstar> you are updating from gutsy to hardy? so everything including the config files would get updated(except you keep them)
[14:51] <arcticpenguin380> Im on my laptop My computer with hardy got mest up
[14:53] <Seb> hi fellows
[14:53] <T1m0thy> I was just reading through the Beta wiki page and it says "Ubuntu 8.04 Beta includes ufw (Uncomplicated Firewall), a new host-based firewall application configurable from the command line which is designed to make administering a firewall easier for end users while not getting in the way of network administrators." Shouldn't end users and network administrators be switched?\
[14:54] <Seb> after dist-upgrading from gutsy to hardy, I can't seem to enter the administrator mode in kde, any idea why that could be ? It doesn't even ask for my password anymore, just says "please wait", and then comes back to regular-mode...
[14:55] <Arand> Hey, anybody know what version of fglrx currently in hardy repos (for jockey) or knows how to find out (interpret version numbers...)?
[14:56] <nikrud> !info xorg-driver-fglrx hardy
[14:56] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.11-12.31)): Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:7.1.0-8-3+2.6.24.11-12.31 (hardy), package size 9716 kB, installed size 29352 kB
[14:56] <nikrud> argh
[14:56] <nikrud> 8.3 , the latest fglrx
[14:57] <nikrud> argh, cannot read, thought I couldn't type
[14:57] <prometheus> if you have trouble with a blank screen on install add "vga=791" to your kernel params
[14:58] <Arand> ok so the 8-3 does mean 8.3, that's basically what I wanted to make sure, cheers.
[14:58] <nikrud>  7.1 X 8.3 ati on 2.6.24 kernel
[14:58] <nikrud> burn is done, time to install
[14:59] <jessica> is hardy nerly stable yet
[14:59] <Flannel> jessica: Its beta software, so not quite
[14:59] <Arand> Depends on your hardware I'd say.
[14:59] <raidium> i find it very solid so far
[14:59] <raidium> running some new high end hardware as well in a non standard config
[15:00] <jessica> i tryed it about a month ago and some things that didnt work in gutsy worked but somethings didnt work that worked in gutsy
[15:00] <Seb> no idea, eh ? :)
[15:00] <nikrud> burn don't put away messages in notices
[15:00] <trappist> ok I'm about to upgrade from gutsy, anything I should know first?
[15:00] <jessica> im upgrading now
[15:01] <jessica> i tryed it when it was still in developer edition and now its beta im expecting most of the problems have been fixed and there just fixing the last things
[15:01] <BUGabund1> hi thre
[15:01] <Seb> trappist: apart from the fact that kde won't let you go into admin mode, no :>
[15:01] <BUGabund1> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/beta/source/
[15:01] <BUGabund1> can someone explain this to me?
[15:01] <trappist> Seb: ew.
[15:02] <flipstar> Seb in which menu you have this ? or in general
[15:02] <trappist> as long as sudo works I should be ok though
[15:02] <BUGabund1> why is there the source?
[15:02] <Seb> trappist: it's actually happening to a friend
[15:02] <BUGabund1> shouldt there be the beta iso?
[15:03] <Seb> trappist: had him over the phone yesterday, need to find out more about whether sudo still works
[15:03] <Flannel> BUGabund1: there is.  http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[15:03] <Arand> BUGabund1: The beta's at a different place...
[15:03] <trappist> Seb: oh, that's an important distinction from the way I heard it
[15:03] <jessica> you should be able to get hardy by using update-manager -d
[15:03] <trappist> Seb: I suspect if sudo was busted I'd have heard about it :)
[15:03] <Arand> Flannel: exactly...
[15:03] <prometheus> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[15:03] <raidium> i had some issues with compiz and xinerama and menus running slow when my desktop got larger than 8000pixels and spanned 2 video cards
[15:03] <Seb> trappist: i assume so
[15:04] <jessica> dose hardy come with beryl or do you have to put that in your self
[15:04] <K4k> sudo works just fine for me and I just updated so it's not broken I'm pretty sure
[15:04] <raidium> and the synaptic package manager hangs once and a while but is resolved with the dpkg --configure -a
[15:04] <captainm> jessica: It's called compiz now and it's included in hardy
[15:04] <flipstar> at least in gnome
[15:04] <Flannel> captainm, jessica, its now called compiz-fusion
[15:04] <BUGabund1> thanks prometheus
[15:04] <raidium> confirm sudo works great for me
[15:05] <Seb> ok cool
[15:05] <K4k> raidium, interesting note about that dpkg command you just mentioned. When I updated my install of hardy, I had to run that in order to get my eth0 back...somehow the updates foobared it, idk what happened but dpkg --configure -a somehow fixed it
[15:05] <flipstar> did anyone else had issues with firestarter..?
[15:05] <flipstar> i just had no internet today until i killed firestarter ..
[15:05] <prometheus> np
[15:06] <jessica> when the developer edition was realsed i had problems with compliting things is that still a issus ?
[15:06] <K4k> flipstar, it might be conflicting with the included firewall program...erm, can't remember the name, but it's new in 8.04
[15:06] <raidium> k4k: i have been playing with ALOT of packages , uninstalling and reinstalling. i dont think its a fluke. its resolved network problems , sound problems and install hangs for me
[15:07] <matjan> hi, is libdvdcss2 already installed in hardy to be able to play dvd's?
[15:08] <K4k> raidium: the biggest install hang I keep running into is with the kernel images, I setup a separate /boot and on this machine since I have limited hard drive space I can only have one image installed at a time so it hangs unless I go in and manually remove the old kernel if there is a kernel update
[15:08] <flipstar> K4k: hm ufw isnt enabled here..nvm i will just use this from now on
[15:09] <jessica> is it recomended to update to hardy now or wait for the stable realse
[15:09] <flipstar> stable is always better
[15:09] <K4k> jessica: depends on your use
[15:09] <raidium> k4k: i have a few installed, no hangs here but I have load of space and memory
[15:09] <K4k> I have it on all my machines and after a few initial bugs it works just fine, only a few hiccups, but you have to be able to figure out what breaks when it does
[15:10] <HardyOne> jessica, if you dont want to have to deal with things possibly breaking then wait
[15:10] <jessica> i dont mind working around problems and trying to get my system working as long as main things like graphic's and wireless works
[15:10] <flipstar> im running hardy since first alpha or so and still had no major problems
[15:11] <HardyOne> jessica, then go for it
[15:11] <jessica> ok thanks
[15:11] <K4k> jessica: I have found that the graphics stuff actually works better in hardy then feisty
[15:11] <raidium> jessica: i have been on since around alpha 4 and the largest problems are really just nuisance , havent hit a deal breaker yet
[15:11] <K4k> only thing that sorta is broken is some wireless cards
[15:11] <raidium> also some USB Drives are not mounting
[15:11] <K4k> like my ipw3945 on my laptop, the light doesn't come on for the wifi card, but it works
[15:11] <K4k> it's weird
[15:11] <Arand> Anyone knows why "screens and graphics" settings is moved to applications menu all of a sudden?
[15:12] <jessica> well my graphics are still problamatic in gutsy but when i tryed it in hardy in alpha 1 it worked fine just everything else didnt seem to
[15:12] <MenZa> Arand: I'd say it's a bug, Took me ages to find it yesterday
[15:12] <HardyOne> Arand, been there for a couple days now
[15:12] <flipstar> hm no gui for ufw availible..?
[15:13] <raidium> jessica: i have 2x 8800gts cards in my box. 3d aps perform well IF i disable compiz, when it is on and you have multiple displays you have to do a little hacking to keep the fx and not slow framerate or menu response
[15:13] <K4k> flipstar, it's cli only I believe, yes
[15:13] <flipstar> okay just checking out man ufw its pretty easy :)
[15:13] <Arand> Oky, it's undobtedly odd.
[15:14] <simion314> hi, i just install 8.04 beta and i can't run compiz, it sais that Xgl is not present,Found laptop using ati driver, what can i do?
[15:14] <Skiessi> #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:14] <K4k> I like how they fixed the radeon oss driver, made me much happier on my laptop since the fglrx driver is broken
[15:14] <HardyOne> simion314, #compiz-fusion
[15:14]  * Skiessi wasn't going to say that
[15:15] <jessica> i have a file server that runs gutsy perfect no problems at all and i dont know if i should update it to hardy i so no real point but i like all my computers to run the latest stuff
[15:15] <Skiessi> me too
[15:16] <K4k> for server apps I always stick with stable
[15:16] <K4k> and then I usually even wait a little after that sometimes
[15:17] <jessica> i put gutsy on it when it was on developer edition and it worked perfect and i just kept it running but i dont know if its time to update it to hardy
[15:17] <raidium> simion314: you probably need to use something like envy to install your latest ATI driver
[15:17] <HardyOne> !envy
[15:17] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[15:18] <simion314> raidium: compiz worked on 7.10, then i do not had this driver installed?
[15:18] <K4k> raidium, is that how everyone is getting the fixed fglrx driver?
[15:18] <K4k> the one that can do suspend and all that jazz
[15:21] <Arand> Either envy or manual install (see "cchtml" guides) but in Hardy the default driver (installed via "hardware drivers" (jockey)) should be the latest 8.3 from ati. (Or so I've recently been told.)
[15:21] <K4k> it gave me the oss radeon driver
[15:21] <K4k> ...i think
[15:23] <K4k> what is the default terminal app for xfce, I can't remember
[15:26] <theblue> K4k, don't know, qemu crashes as soon as i run the terminal app.
[15:27] <jimmygoon> ah crap. my laptop still beeps at me when I open/close it
[15:30] <alex-weej> anyone know of some kind of guide to getting a Dapper VM going in Hardy with Xen or QEmu or something?
[15:30] <flipstar> alex-weej: you might try kvm
[15:31] <alex-weej> does that work even if i don't have VT on my CPU?
[15:32] <flipstar> vt on cpu..?
[15:32] <alex-weej> is that the wrong name?
[15:32] <soto> How do I move the location of the desktop-switcher in gnome?
[15:32] <alex-weej> the virtualization features on new CPUs
[15:32] <flipstar> oh..yes of corse
[15:32] <alex-weej> i only have a Pentium 4 Northwood 'C' from like 5 years ago
[15:32] <flipstar> alex-weej: cool :) same here
[15:32] <alex-weej> hehe
[15:33] <alex-weej> hey what motherboard are you on?
[15:33] <flipstar> a cheap asrock
[15:33] <alex-weej> does it work with S3 suspend?
[15:33] <alex-weej> i have an Asus P4P800 which just enters suspend then immediately wakes back up (even the fans power down for a fraction of a second) :(
[15:33] <flipstar> guess yes
[15:34] <flipstar> ouch
[15:35] <ace_ace121> When i login, i get a dialog saying: HAL not started. I have to manually start it each time. how to start HAL at startup?? i tried sudo update-rc.d hal defaults,which gives this message " System startup links for /etc/init.d/hal already exist"
[15:37] <Chokes> hi all
[15:39] <J-_> Anything break with the new updates?
[15:39] <alex-weej> flipstar: no go, kvm doesn't wanna load with my CPU :'(
[15:40] <alex-weej> Ubuntu does not support running KVM without hardware acceleration. Sorry.
[15:40] <Chokes> ok now ubuntu + Fakeraid on ubuntu is starting to piss me of......
[15:41] <Chokes> i try to follow the how to but it wont work....
[15:41] <flipstar> alex-weej: what kind of type the vm is? you might use qemu or vbox
[15:41] <flipstar> Chokes: whats the problem ?
[15:41] <alex-weej> flipstar: i just want a Dapper VM
[15:42] <Chokes> i dont understand why ubuntu cant setup a fake raid
[15:42] <flipstar> Chokes: the installer doesnt support it..
[15:42] <Chokes> when almost all other distro can
[15:42] <flipstar> you can use as a workaround debootstrap
[15:42] <Chokes> k
[15:42] <Chokes> ok
[15:43] <Chokes> but i tried to follow the how to...
[15:43] <flipstar> had to do it by myself
[15:43] <Chokes> but i wont work
[15:43] <flipstar> Chokes:  i used this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[15:44] <Chokes> i used this one too
[15:44] <flipstar> where does it fail ?
[15:45] <Chokes> Mount the Temporary File Structure
[15:46] <Chokes> are you a dev here?
[15:46] <flipstar> nope
[15:46] <Chokes> mmm
[15:46] <Chokes> welll
[15:46] <Chokes> ill retry i later
[15:46] <Chokes> it*
[15:47] <Chokes> but i think that we dont have to do all this
[15:47] <theunixgeek> I'm surprised at how much faster the torrent download for the Xubuntu Hardy Beta. 15 KB/s for the server, 300 KB/s bittorrent :)
[15:47] <Chokes> it supposed to be the easyest distro
[15:47] <theunixgeek> Chokes: easiest
[15:47] <theunixgeek> not easyest ;)
[15:47] <Chokes> ok
[15:48] <Chokes> easiest ;)
[15:48] <flipstar> Chokes: you might ask in #ubuntu-dev if they will support it someday
[15:48] <jessica> why is it taking so long to update to hardy last time it only took about a hour its taking me about 4 this time and its working at the same speed
[15:48] <jpatrick> flipstar: #ubuntu-devel is the channel name :)
[15:49] <flipstar> Chokes: ↑
[15:49] <Chokes> ya im on it ;)
[15:49] <Chokes> thanx
[15:50] <jessica> why is hardy taking so long to update last time i did it 4x quicker but its downloading at the same speed
[15:51] <jessica> it carnt have that many things added to it sins alpha 1 can it ?
[15:51] <Chokes> maybe its because it have more updates?
[15:51] <jussi01> yes...
[15:51] <gribelu> maybe you're more impatient this time
[15:51] <jessica> quite possably
[15:51] <gribelu> :p
[15:52] <ViOlent_p0rn> any new ffox updates?
[15:53] <ViOlent_p0rn> i got this PINK glow around my windows.. :/
[15:53] <ViOlent_p0rn> so gay..
[15:53] <ViOlent_p0rn> any way to change it?
[15:53] <jessica> dont use gay as a insult
[15:53] <Skiessi> ccsm?
[15:53] <Skiessi> what?
[15:53] <ViOlent_p0rn> that's just the way you interperit it jessica
[15:54] <gribelu> i remember seeing some threads about the pink stuff on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=305
[15:54] <ViOlent_p0rn> thanks Skiessi
[15:54] <ViOlent_p0rn> =)
[15:54] <Solarion> what do I use to figure out what packages are conflicting?
[15:54] <Solarion> dist-upgrade to hardy beta wants to un-install ubuntu-desktop, which seems Very Wrong.
[15:55] <jpatrick> Solarion: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should say them
[15:55] <gribelu> Solarion: if that's the only removed package you can always reinstall it later
[15:55] <gribelu> it's a metapackage anyway
[15:55] <Solarion> lots of stuff wants un-removed
[15:55] <gribelu> ah
[15:55] <gribelu> sucks
[15:56] <Solarion> restricted-manager?
[15:56] <flipstar> hm ufw blocks even localhost ?
[15:56] <gribelu> are you using the main servers as your package sources? sometimes it takes a while to update all the mirrors and you get missing packages and what not
[15:56] <ViOlent_p0rn> hi flipstar
[15:56] <ViOlent_p0rn> did the low sound bug get fixed?
[15:57] <Skiessi> does GF 8600GT work well with Ubuntu?
[15:58] <ViOlent_p0rn> Skiessi: i think so
[15:58] <Skiessi> good
[15:58] <gribelu> Skiessi: slowish when it comes to some 2D stuff.. especially if using kde.. but i think it's pretty much fixed with the latest drivers
[15:59] <Skiessi> so I'm buying one
[15:59] <gribelu> should be fine
[16:01] <ViOlent_p0rn> i got the 8400 works like a charm..
[16:02] <gribelu> firefox3 is very slow on some pages with nvidia cards ATM :/
[16:02] <gribelu> some cairo bug thing
[16:02] <gribelu> or is it xorg
[16:05] <simion314> how can i install the ati proprietary driver ? iis there a menu launcher ?an applet?
[16:06] <flipstar> anyone here confirm with ufw ?
[16:06] <flipstar> im trying to access services on localhost :/
[16:08] <flipstar> now thats wired it doesnt even work when ufw is disabled
[16:08] <henkjan> flipstar: # allow all on loopback
[16:08] <henkjan> -A ufw-before-input -i lo -j ACCEPT
[16:08] <henkjan> -A ufw-before-output -i lo -j ACCEPT
[16:08] <henkjan> flipstar: that are default rules from ufw
[16:09] <ulisse> 'lo guys
[16:10] <ulisse> is there any known workaround for the kernel-soundcard issue? I'm using 2.6.24-12-i386 and I get no audio devices...
[16:11] <alex_mayorga> !sysreq
[16:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sysreq - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:11] <alex_mayorga> !requirements
[16:11] <ubotu> Hardware requirements to install, boot and comfortably use Ubuntu are listed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements - For a !flavor with lower requirements, see !Xubuntu
[16:15] <amiralul> hello.  I was trying to select nvidia propietary driver from the Administrator section on Hardware/monitor window, but the radio buttons are grey
[16:15] <amiralul> I'musing Kubuntu beta 8.04
[16:15] <amiralul> *I'm using
[16:16] <amiralul> it's weird, but I don't have restricted drivers under system setting / advanced
[16:17] <LibertyShadow> What kernel is beta using.
[16:17] <amiralul> 2.6.24-12-generic
[16:17] <LibertyShadow> 2.6.24-13 ?
[16:17] <LibertyShadow> oh
[16:17] <LibertyShadow> 2.6.24-12.13
[16:18] <LibertyShadow> Right
[16:18] <LibertyShadow> I am wondering if I should test wubi
[16:19] <simion314> how can i install the ati proprietary driver ? iis there a menu launcher ?an applet?
[16:20] <LibertyShadow> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[16:20] <LibertyShadow> The wiki's are pretty good.
[16:20] <simion314> thx
[16:21] <LibertyShadow> Spec is no longer a function of x
[16:21] <amiralul> LibertyShadow: and for NVIDIA?
[16:21] <LibertyShadow> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[16:21] <LibertyShadow> That helped me
[16:21] <LibertyShadow> Read everything carefully.
[16:22] <ViOlent_p0rn> bug noticed..
[16:22] <ViOlent_p0rn> the "pink glow" (shadow)
[16:23] <ViOlent_p0rn> upon color changeing the pink'nes removes itself
[16:23] <ViOlent_p0rn> leaving no window glow left..
[16:23] <ViOlent_p0rn> even though the color is originally choosen black
[16:23] <amiralul> LibertyShadow: that is for 7.10 and for Ubuntu. I'm using Kubuntu 8.04. Will it work?
[16:24] <flipstar> henkjan: thx but works now
[16:24] <asdrubal> j #linux
[16:24] <LibertyShadow> You will probably need restricted--manager-kde, amiralul
[16:25] <LibertyShadow> restricted-manager-kde *
[16:25] <stefg> Nice one... switched on my printer/scanner (Epson DX 3850) and before i even had the chance to configure something i was greeted with a 'printer configured' and 'scanner working' message. Hardy rocks! i hope there's still something which needs to be configured, otherwise i would get bored :-)
[16:26] <LibertyShadow> Unfortunately, my experience with KDE is limited. I am a gnome type of guy.
[16:26] <LibertyShadow> stefg, agreed
[16:26] <LibertyShadow> Suspend and wireless are always a challenge.
[16:27] <LibertyShadow> amiralul there is a section on that link for Kubuntu 7.10. Do that
[16:27] <alex_mayorga> !xubuntu
[16:27] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels
[16:27] <stefg> LibertyShadow: true, but for suspend not working in my case is to blame to nvidia... still the same driver issue after all that years :-(
[16:27] <alex_mayorga> !Xubuntu-Channels
[16:27] <ubotu> Support: #xubuntu | Developer Discussion: #xubuntu-devel | Offtopic chatter: #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:27] <LibertyShadow> stefg NvAgp 1 ?
[16:27] <stefg> yup
[16:28] <LibertyShadow> POST_VIDEO = false?
[16:29] <LibertyShadow> SAVE_VBE_STATE = false ?
[16:29] <LibertyShadow> in /etc/default/acpi-support
[16:30] <LibertyShadow> I also added "force" to the QUIRKS in /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux/hal-system-power-suspend-linux
[16:30] <stefg> I might try to get it working later... i spent days on feisty and gutsy to make my (Desktop) machine suspend without success, and in reality i don't use that feature often. For the moment i'm really impressed by Hardy, and don't want to spoil that
[16:31] <LibertyShadow> Oh.... a desktop
[16:31] <LibertyShadow> XD
[16:31] <LibertyShadow> Well I have a calculus midterm in 2 hours... good luck stefg
[16:31] <stefg> Good look to you!
[16:33] <chdst> I've gone from having a working fglrx driver in Alpha 6 to a broken one in the Beta after a dist-upgrade. Does anyone have any quick recommendations on resolving by using only my mouse (i.e. Am I missing something obvious/known)?
[16:33] <luca> hi everyone
[16:33] <luca> I have just realized that while pm-suspend functions, the default acpi suspend does not
[16:34] <stefg> chdst: we had a kernel update. might be you need to reinstall the driver/wait for the ati driver to be ready also
[16:34] <steph_> Hi everybody! I can't set up vbox'addon with hardy. Anyone had succes?
[16:34] <luca> I am going to write a launchpad bug, but in the meantime, is it possible to rig the system so that it uses pm-suspend as default?
[16:36] <chdst> stefg: I've tried reinstalling, but no luck so far. I'm probably just going to let it simmer over the weekend and deal with it Monday.
[16:37] <stefg> chdst: sounds reasonable
[16:41] <spiderfire> hello
[16:41] <ulisse> I tried with kernel -generic and audio worked, but this time was the video not working...
[16:41] <spiderfire> ulisse: are you using the glx?
[16:41] <ulisse> is there any specific package for -generic kernel to get nvidia-glx working?
[16:41] <ulisse> yep
[16:41] <mp_> hi all., Ive installed kubuntu w KDE4 using the Wubi which means that my Windows partition should be accessible from Kubuntu I suppose.. But I cant find it, where would it be located?
[16:42] <spiderfire> try the glx-new package
[16:42] <spiderfire> well what card you have?
[16:42] <spiderfire> legacy?
[16:42] <spiderfire> old
[16:42] <ulisse> spiderfire: I already have it installed, and works nicely with -386 kernel
[16:42] <ulisse> no, no, it's a -new one
[16:42] <spiderfire> ok
[16:42] <spiderfire> do  you have startup manager?
[16:43] <spiderfire> what does your uname -a say?
[16:43] <ulisse> Linux Albus 2.6.24-12-386 #1 Wed Mar 12 22:30:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:43] <ulisse> and now I have glx working but no audio
[16:43] <spiderfire> so you are using the 386 kernel now?
[16:43] <ulisse> yes
[16:44] <ulisse> the issue is with the -generic one
[16:44] <ulisse> that gives me back the audio, but I lose the video :)
[16:44] <spiderfire> yes i had issues but their fixed
[16:44] <spiderfire> you nvidia module doesnt load?
[16:44] <spiderfire> whats your video card?
[16:44] <ulisse> nope, and trying with modprobe returns an error
[16:45] <spiderfire> i had this prob
[16:45] <ulisse> my card is a geforce 7600gs
[16:45] <spiderfire> i have the same card
[16:45] <spiderfire> hehe
[16:45] <setuid> Any showstopper bugs in today's update?
[16:46] <thehumanerror> If I install 8.04 beta, and it doesn't blow up my face, will I have to reinstall it to get a clean system when it's released?
[16:46] <thehumanerror> please
[16:46] <spiderfire> ulisse: maybe install the startup-manager
[16:46] <setuid> The keyboard repeat issue is still there, and Network Manager is still as useful as a box of hair.
[16:46] <thehumanerror> NetworkManager is well useful! :)
[16:46] <ulisse> spiderfire: what is it, something like BUM ?
[16:46] <setuid> thehumanerror, It does _absolutely nothing_
[16:46] <flipstar> thehumanerror: nope
[16:46] <mp_> thehumanerror / I don\t think so. You can just update through ubuntu
[16:46] <spiderfire> ulisse: yes but i dont think it will fix your problem
[16:46] <setuid> It certainly doesn't "manage networking"
[16:47] <thehumanerror> no but it means I don't have to configure text files when I want to connect to a wireless network
[16:47] <setuid> I still have to stop and start my networking with shell scripts, because Network Manager is braindead
[16:47] <thehumanerror> which is what I had to do in Slackware
[16:47] <thehumanerror> :D
[16:47] <thehumanerror> okay, thanks guys for the beta question
[16:48] <dennis> hello everyone  i am new one
[16:48] <flipstar> !hi
[16:48] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[16:48] <marlun> When compiz (normal) is enabled, how do I remove that the inactive windows' titlebar is transparent?
[16:48] <thehumanerror> I don't mind doing dist-upgrade if that's what it takes to go from beta to 8.04, so as long as that's it, I think I'll install it on a machine that I don't have much access too
[16:48] <marlun> I've looked in the compiz setting manager but can't find it.
[16:49] <spiderfire> ulisse: do you have the restricted-manager and -core installed?
[16:49] <dennis> so .... how about ubuntu 8.04  ?
[16:49] <mp_> !windows
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[16:49] <ulisse> spiderfire: is it in the default packages?
[16:49] <ulisse> spiderfire: I updated a standard gutsy
[16:49] <luca> hi everyone again
[16:50] <dennis> gutsy  for what ?
[16:50] <fromport> marlun: i found al lot of help at http://www.futuredesktop.com/
[16:50] <spiderfire> ulisse: manage non-free hardware drivers - GNOME frontend
[16:50] <dennis> what type user ?
[16:50] <luca> I have some problems with pm-suspend
[16:50] <ulisse> spiderfire: yep, already there
[16:50] <spiderfire> ulisse: and your xorg.conf says nvidia instead of nv?
[16:50] <ulisse> yep
[16:50] <dennis> ??
[16:51] <dennis> when u restart  can u see nv logo
[16:52] <luca> if I check /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux I see that the system uses pm-suspend to go into S2RAM, but
[16:52] <dennis> i had some question  ... like that ,,,   can't start 3d desktop
[16:52] <spiderfire> brb restart
[16:52]  * ulisse tries to reboot, cul
[16:52] <marlun> fromport: unfortunately it didn't have what I wanted...
[16:52] <luca> if I use pm-suspend from command-line it resumes ok; not if I suspend with the graphical options
[16:53] <luca> that somehow buffles me...
[16:53] <dennis> finally  i install latest dirver version
[16:53] <dennis> i found some detail about X 200 can't support 3d
[16:54] <Arand> dennis: mean radeon express 200M ?
[16:55] <dennis> yes
[16:55] <dennis> Arand: yes
[16:55] <ulisse> ok, reconfiguring the kernel image after having installed restricted-modules worked for me, now i get either audio and glx :)
[16:55] <Arand> I'm running on that card, and using the proprietary ATI drivers 3d Compiz and stuff like that works.
[16:55] <prometheus> yes it does
[16:56] <prometheus> I use it
[16:56] <spiderfire> ulisse: its working?
[16:56] <ulisse> yep
[16:56] <prometheus> with fglrx
[16:56] <ulisse> i have to run now, see you
[16:56] <ulisse> and thanks
[16:56] <spiderfire> np take care
[16:57] <Arand> dennis: I think it's the open-source "radeonhd" which does not support 3D along with the card X200.
[16:57] <prometheus> yes
[16:57] <dennis> yes
[16:57] <Arand> But if you're okay with using fglrx it "should" work.
[16:58] <dennis> nv is best choice
[16:58] <Arand> If only one had the luxury...
[16:58] <dennis> but  can't just for a system to change graph card ....
[16:58] <setuid> Weird, 8.04 doesn't light up my CapsLock, but it does change the state of the caps
[16:59] <setuid> Man, 8.04 is getting more and more unstable
[16:59] <setuid> They should seriously put off the release
[16:59] <setuid> Stuff is just cascaaadng all over the place
[16:59] <Arand> It's still beta...
[16:59] <setuid> it's not even beta ;)
[16:59] <dennis> who know  www.getacoder.com  ?
[16:59] <flipstar> setuid: same here
[16:59] <dennis> who are  java programmer
[17:00] <XceII> Question 1: How can I (if it is possible) increase my audio output, it seems 30% lower.
[17:00] <prometheus> nice to see you around setuid
[17:00] <setuid> prometheus, hola hola
[17:02] <dennis> i looking for a java programmer
[17:02] <setuid> dennis, rentacoder.com
[17:02] <setuid> getafreelancer.com
[17:02] <infbliss> is the hibernate problem fixed in Hardy yet
[17:03] <dennis> no la  .... just want make a friend ...
[17:03] <prometheus> lol
[17:03] <fromport> not @ my laptop with fglrx
[17:03] <dennis> infbliss: hello  ?
[17:03] <dennis> infbliss,hello  ?
[17:03] <dennis> infbliss, hello  ?
[17:03] <XceII> ok
[17:04] <prometheus> he left
[17:04] <dennis> what the fuck  ........
[17:04] <dennis> how to use irc .....
[17:04] <mneptok> !language > dennis
[17:04] <dennis> lol
[17:04] <Tuv0k> !language
[17:04] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:04] <XceII> nice
[17:04] <dennis> ....
[17:04] <XceII> t/y
[17:04] <savetheWorld> Lol
[17:04] <dennis> lol
[17:05] <XceII> dennise, get a job (son).
[17:05] <dennis> sorry
[17:05] <xray7224> hi
[17:05] <dennis> ssh  ?
[17:05] <mneptok> yes please
[17:05] <XceII> grow up
[17:05] <XceII> I stifle.
[17:06] <savetheWorld> dennis - FYI all the ubuntu related channels (and most large mainstream channels) have the same language policy.
[17:06] <XceII> crappy language comes from crappy minds.
[17:06] <mneptok> +1/whois dennis
[17:06] <mneptok> fjklsdagha
[17:06] <dennis> hi
[17:07] <mneptok> dennis: malay? sg?
[17:07] <dennis> malay
[17:07] <mneptok> k la
[17:07] <dennis> u ?
[17:07] <mneptok> USA. euro most.
[17:08] <dennis> o
[17:08] <mneptok> anglogermanoirish
[17:08] <XceII> Have a super day folks, ./ignore the trolls. God bless.
[17:08] <mneptok> dennis: #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. +1 should (try) to be a support channel.
[17:09] <dennis> ....
[17:09] <dennis> what's that ?
[17:09] <mneptok>  /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:09] <dennis> let me change channel  ?
[17:09] <mneptok> same language policy, but not a support channel
[17:10] <mneptok> !sg
[17:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:10]  * mneptok burns ubotu 
[17:10] <J-_> !offtopic
[17:10] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[17:11] <J-_> =D
[17:11] <dennis> i know
[17:11] <Arand> What is the project associated with mounting/permissions handling for partitions in ubuntu, I'm trying to file a bug...
[17:11] <Arand> or rather, spacify an existing one...
[17:11] <mneptok> Arand: that would tend to be the kernel
[17:12] <Arand> okay...
[17:12] <dennis> +1/whois <mneptok>
[17:12] <dennis> +1/whois mneptok
[17:12] <mneptok> lol
[17:13] <dennis> hehe
[17:13] <mneptok> dennis: http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
[17:13] <dennis> i dont real know that mean
[17:14] <Arand> mneptok: so if I still can write on a partition that is set to non-writable and shows up as non-writable (ls -l) it would be the kernel that's the offender?
[17:15] <dennis> mneptok: thanks
[17:17]  * dennis hello everyone im new hewre
[17:17]  * dennis hello everyone im new here
[17:17] <harking> anyone else have issues logging in after a fresh install of 8.04?
[17:19] <coz_> harking,  well I no longer have a fresh install so i really cant answer that with confidence
[17:19] <Arand> harking: what kind of issues, fresh beta?
[17:20] <dennis> hahahaha
[17:20] <dennis> mneptok: how long u used hibernate  ?
[17:21] <harking> Arand: fresh install, login fails to work.
[17:21] <harking> i tried a reinstall
[17:21] <harking> trying it again
[17:24] <clusty> beta has been released?
[17:25] <flipstar> yup
[17:25] <clusty> i see a big chunk of updates
[17:25] <clusty> great stuff
[17:26] <Oli``> Is it possible to let `make` use both of my cores? Seems a bit of a waste it only using one
[17:26] <daian> die
[17:27] <clusty> Oli``, do a make -j3
[17:27] <clusty> that starts 3 threads
[17:27] <clusty> you can also do just a -j
[17:27] <clusty> that will start one thread for each file :D
[17:27] <marlun> How can I share a folder in ubuntu through command line?
[17:27] <clusty> assume your machine frozen D:
[17:28] <marko-_-> why in hardy sound doesn't work ??
[17:28] <clusty> marlun, you gotta mnodify your smb.conf file
[17:28] <harking> marko-_-: i think they used a new sound engine
[17:28] <marko-_-> yes..
[17:28] <marko-_->  ?
[17:28] <marko-_-> and ?
[17:28] <marko-_-> what should i do ?
[17:28] <clusty> harking, well there is something fishy with it
[17:29] <clusty> cant have 2 apps accessing card
[17:29] <clusty> just like 10 years ago :D
[17:29] <harking> lol
[17:29] <harking> i'm glad they switched then
[17:29] <marlun> clusty: so when sharing between ubuntu machines it's still samba? Saw something about NFS.
[17:29] <harking> gutsy was doing too well.
[17:29] <marko-_-> harking,
[17:29] <clusty> marlun, nfs surely
[17:29] <clusty> marlun, dunno much about it though
[17:30] <marlun> clusty: ok. :)
[17:30] <clusty> marlun, better use ssh and you can do sftp from other machine
[17:30] <marko-_-> how do i have sound back?:>
[17:30] <clusty> marko-_-, write santa a big letter
[17:30] <clusty> :D
[17:30] <marko-_-> i already did
[17:30] <marko-_-> the bastard didn't response
[17:30] <harking> marko-_-: dunno, you'll have to describe the issue in more depth. what kind of sound card? have you had any issues before? maybe post to the forms or file a bug
[17:30] <clusty> means you were a bad boy :D
[17:31] <marko-_-> harking the problem is that i don't know excatly which sound card is in this computer... and it didn't had any issues on gutsy
[17:32] <clusty> marko-_-, lspci tells you card
[17:32] <marko-_-> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[17:33] <clusty> very specific :D
[17:33] <flipstar> thats a bug with that card i heard
[17:33] <marko-_-> damn you hardy !
[17:33] <marko-_-> i need sound
[17:33] <marko-_-> :<
[17:33] <flipstar> also in gutsy
[17:33] <flipstar> !intelhda | but see here
[17:33] <ubotu> but see here: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[17:34] <marko-_-> flipstar, it worked fine
[17:34] <marko-_-> in gutsy
[17:34] <clusty> flipstar, i have a intel hda and is just fine
[17:39] <thompa> i have my walkman mount and show up in 64, but not in 386 only as unmountable usb?
[17:39] <federico> in ubuntu 8.04 beta, when i press the <tab> key on a terminal, it doesn't autocomplete the commands... any ideas of how can I activate this function?
[17:40] <thompa> federico: ive had that problem for a while, and I sudo -s for the time being
[17:40] <federico> hmm let me check..
[17:41] <thompa> federico: it will work as root
[17:41] <federico> wow its true, it works in that way
[17:41] <thompa> federico: are you running 64?
[17:41] <harking> yay, third time is the charm for my password
[17:41] <federico> thank you... i didn't think about that
[17:41] <federico> no, i'm using i386
[17:41] <mcquaid> is wubi limited to 4 gig size virt disks because of grub4dos?
[17:42] <thompa> federico: are your usb devices mounting
[17:42] <thompa> federico: like ipod walkman and stuff
[17:42] <mcquaid> i saw it mention because of a fat limitation, but fat32 has the 4 gig limit, not ntfs
[17:42] <federico> dont have my pendrive here.. but my usb mice works :S
[17:43] <thompa> federico: im having a weird issue, in 386 It wont detect my walkman, but will in 64
[17:43] <tnnc> can someone tell me where i can get libcss2 and win32codecs as it doesnt seem to be avaialbe
[17:43] <thompa> just want to drag and drop files
[17:43] <federico> let me try with the camera
[17:43] <thompa> tnnc: media ubuntu
[17:43] <thompa> federico: thanks
[17:44] <thompa> federico: what kerenl you got?
[17:44] <Paavo> hmm, "*** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/perl terminated" while upgrading libc during the 7.10->8.04 upgrade.
[17:44] <tnnc> thompa i try that i think where is it do you have an link
[17:44] <federico> thompa: 2.6.24-12-generic
[17:44] <federico> thompa: and nope,m it doesnt detect my dig. camera
[17:44] <Paavo> and not packages are failing their pre-depends on libc
[17:44] <Paavo> s/not/now/
[17:45] <thompa> federico: good, i mean bad. we got the same issues
[17:45] <thompa> federico: did you upgrade or clean beta?
[17:46] <federico> thompa: i did a clean beta
[17:46] <federico> thompa: im trying to mount manually now.. i dont remember how thou :P
[17:46] <thompa> federico: thanks you saved me some time
[17:46] <thompa> federico: look for usb device in computer
[17:46] <thompa> i gotta run.. good luck
[17:47] <thompa> it wount mount here htough
[17:47] <jessica> hardy is taking a long time to update
[17:47] <tnnc> can someone tell me where i can get libdcss2 and win32codecs as it doesnt seem to be avaialbe as i cant seem to get to play wmv files etc
[17:47] <thompa> jessica: servers are ver slow right now
[17:48] <co0lingFir3> hey there, how do i encrypt a folder?
[17:48] <jessica> its been running for the last 2 hours and its still telling me there is 6 hours remaning
[17:48] <federico> thompa: bye, and thanx 4 ur help :)
[17:48] <thompa> well me too
[17:48] <flipstar> !win32codecs | tnnc
[17:48] <ubotu> tnnc: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[17:48] <thompa> thanks
[17:48] <Paavo> any idea if it's a better idea to abort the upgrade now and try to fix the libc problem first, or to let it continue with the other packages?
[17:48] <jessica> it seems as though its stuck on "fetching file  799"
[17:49] <co0lingFir3> can someone help me to encrypt a folder coz i dont seem to get it...
[17:49] <oly> hi, i have been testing hardy on the eeepc, i have hit 2 problems wireless not working fixed by compiling drivers, and more annoying a 3 minute pause in booting up, anyone hit this problem or know whats causing it ?
[17:50] <tnnc> flipstar i mean the w32codecs
[17:51] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: tar -cf - <dir> | gpg -c > <name>.tgp
[17:51] <flipstar> !medibuntu > tnnc
[17:51] <co0lingFir3> flipstar: what about the "right-click" -> "encrypt"? does that work too?
[17:51] <flipstar> sure
[17:51] <flipstar> but thats too easy
[17:51] <flipstar> :P
[17:52] <jessica> ok my updates picking up again
[17:52] <tnnc> flipstar ok i try the repo but it said it couldnt do it
[17:52] <marlun> I've created a nfs share on my server computer and run exportfs -a but I still can't see it from this computer when I go to Network in Nautilus. Do I need to do something else?
[17:52] <co0lingFir3> flipstar: ^^ but there are no keys shown... and i dont know how to create 1.
[17:52] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: gpg --gen-key
[17:53] <co0lingFir3> flipstar: is it possible to use a keyfile on a usb-stick?
[17:53] <tnnc> flipstar maybe i had the wrong link for the repo do you have it
[17:53] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: the gpg keys are stored in a local keyring afaik
[17:54] <flipstar> tnnc: see http://www.medibuntu.org/
[17:54] <co0lingFir3> flipstar: so no way to use a keyfile on a usb?
[17:54] <tnnc> flipstar thanks
[17:55] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: not that i know
[17:55] <flipstar> doesnt have to mean any
[17:55] <co0lingFir3> flipstar: hmmm. i guess i will continue using truecrypt
[17:56] <co0lingFir3> thanks anyway
[17:57] <tnnc> flipstar ok i looked at that site i see how to add for all but hardy how do i get it for hardy
[17:57] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: the experts are probably in ##crypto
[17:57] <flipstar> tnnc: there is no repo for hardy yet just use this one for gutsy
[17:58] <tnnc> flipstar ok use the lastest one
[17:58] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: i also used truecrypt once but had much better performance with cryptsetup/LUKS
[17:58] <federico> thompa: i found that if u install bash-completion, the <tab> key will work normally.
[17:59] <federico> thompa: this is like a regression :S but well.. after doing that, it works
[18:00] <jessica> dose hardy come with my wireless driver i have a realtek RTL8187B
[18:04] <fromport> are other peoples gnome-panel also crashing a lot ? i have compiz enabled but this is not funny: # dmesg | grep gnome-panel | grep segfault | wc -l  gives 16 times (in 10 hours)
[18:04] <jessica> dose hardy come with my wireless driver i have the realtek RTL8187B
[18:05] <ompaul> !hardy | jessica
[18:05] <ubotu> jessica: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:05] <ompaul> woops :)
[18:05] <fromport> jessica: hardy comes with 2.6.24 kernel, better check if it's in there ;-)
[18:05] <jessica> ok thanks
[18:05] <ompaul> jessica, get a live CD and check
[18:06] <Niklas_E> anyone know which driver to use to get xvideo for ati radeon card?
[18:06] <fromport> ompaul: clever ;-)
[18:06] <ompaul> fromport, not something I would have claimed
[18:06]  * fromport has ati radeon 9600 and am using fglrx
[18:07] <jessica> im upgrading now but i just wanted to know in advance
[18:07] <gnubuntu> Niklas_E: just activate the restricted driver. or desktop effects. ati 8.3 working fine with xv here.
[18:07] <fromport> ompaul: i keep forgetting about the live cd, i really hate it (for install),always use the alternate. but for testing it's perfect
[18:08] <ompaul> fromport,  97.3% of the time :)
[18:09] <theunixgeek> Where can I download all the docs at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/, preferably in a PDF?
[18:10] <jessica> how would i find out if the drivers is in the kernal
[18:13] <jimmygoon> jessica, not direct support: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=709802
[18:13] <jimmygoon> jessica, but ndiswrapper supposedly works
[18:14] <fromport> rtl8187 is in hardy but it's _not_ compatible with rtl8187B
[18:16] <jessica> sorry im a bit of a noobie if the driver is in hardy why wouldnt it work with a card that requres the driver
[18:17] <flipstar> its rtl8187 not rtl8187B
[18:17] <jimmygoon> the driver is not in hardy. the driver for the model's brother is.... but you can use something called ndiswrapper with the windows driver to get it wokring. The link I sent you details how to do so :)
[18:17] <jessica> thanks
[18:18] <fromport> The catch is that the Linux drivers for the RTL8187 chipset don't include the B model.
[18:18] <jessica> is there anyway of putting the driver inplace
[18:18] <fromport> http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/
[18:18] <steph_> I would like to report a *bug* for the first time. I thought I have to use launchpad, but I gives me this message: "UbuntuStudio Artwork does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker". Where do I have to report the bug?
[18:18] <fromport> if you have the knowledge: yes, but it's not "out of the box"
[18:19] <jessica> so if i use that it will just put the driver inplacce and that will be it
[18:19] <LibertyShadow> Wireless is a challenge to get going.
[18:19] <flipstar> steph_: try in #ubuntu-bugs
[18:19] <fromport> *lol* indeed it is (launchpad)
[18:19] <jessica> because with 7.10 i have to compile the driver every time on boot
[18:20] <steph_> flipstar: thanks
[18:20] <fromport> jessica: probably will be the same with hardy, until 2.6.25 comes out ;-)
[18:20] <fromport> mayby with 8.10
[18:21] <jessica> o right
[18:21] <jessica> ok
[18:21] <flipstar> wow more than 1000 peers on ubuntu beta torrent
[18:21] <jessica> thanks
[18:22] <jimmygoon> gr, why am I not seeding. silly me
[18:22] <_dan_> nvidia seems broken for latest upgrade, anyone has a workaround for that?
[18:23] <LibertyShadow> Did you rebuild the kernel module?
[18:23] <benanzo> brightness controls and NetworkManager break for anyone on latest updates?
[18:24] <_dan_> LibertyShadow ofcorse not since they come packaged with ubuntu
[18:24] <LibertyShadow> oh, sorry I don't use the restricted driver manager :(
[18:24] <jessica> what is the irc channel for the developers of ubuntu
[18:25] <flipstar> #ubuntu-devel
[18:25] <jessica> thansk
[18:25] <fromport> better try and report a "bug" to the hardy kernel on www.launchpad.net
[18:27] <flipstar> there is also an suggestion box somewhere
[18:29] <AlexLatchford> Hey guys, just installed Hardy Beta1, firing up Firefox noticed that the Home Button has disappeared in the icon toolbar.. It is also not on the customise list, anyone have any ideas on how to get it to return?
[18:29] <_dan_> since -12 kernel nvidia is not working for me anymore
[18:30] <borschty> does somebody else have problems with NetworkManager after one of the recent updates?
[18:31] <flipstar> AlexLatchford: look closely :) its the first entry in the bookmark bar here
[18:31] <AlexLatchford> flipstar: Ah yes, I disabled that, I keep my bookmarks over at del.icio.us.. (Sorry should have specified)
[18:31] <Stormx2> Hey. Flash in Firefox seems to block my sound card. Any suggestions on a fix
[18:31] <Stormx2> ?
[18:31] <AlexLatchford> Thus I wanted more screen space..
[18:32] <Skiessi> I didn't even notice that the home button is missing :/
[18:32] <flipstar> oh..then its probably gone
[18:32] <AlexLatchford> hmm.. great
[18:32] <jimmygoon> that home button is the stupidest thing ever IMO
[18:32] <AlexLatchford> off to mozillateam then
[18:32] <AlexLatchford> well I use it alot :P
[18:32] <jimmygoon> enable the bookmarks bar then move goto customize then drag the menu button back
[18:32] <flipstar> ask the dudes in #firefox :)
[18:33] <jimmygoon> AlexLatchford, no, I'm on your side, the moving of the button was lame
[18:33] <AlexLatchford> jimmygoon: doesn't appear to work
[18:33] <AlexLatchford> I will go talk to asac
[18:33] <minimec> AlexLatchford: That works. Did that too...
[18:33] <jimmygoon> can you see the home button when you enable the bookmark toolbar?
[18:34] <AlexLatchford> ahhh jimmygoon I see
[18:34] <AlexLatchford> thanks
[18:34] <borschty> currently NetworkManager is using 99%cpu and sudo takes several minutes to show the password-input - after killing NetworkManager it is fast again
[18:35] <AlexLatchford> just written a wifi guide on getting the WG111T to work, easy enough.. Now just need to work out how to get it to stay connected after a restart.. Anyone have any ideas?
[18:36] <borschty> and NetworkManager does not establish any connection
[18:38] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[18:39] <JohnFlux> I tried to upgrade, but I didn't have much free disk space
[18:39] <JohnFlux> There is a check at the start of the upgrade for enough free space to download the packages
[18:39] <alex_mayorga> anyone using Yahoo! Mail new version that's experiencing repeated crash of Firefox 3?
[18:39] <JohnFlux> but this isn't enough disk space to actually install
[18:40] <JohnFlux> I get the error:  failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)       for example for some of the packages
[18:43] <nikrud> does someone have a pointer to getting broadcom 4311 up and running? NetworkManager goes ballistic if I have any firmware in /lib/firmware
[18:44] <borschty> nikrud: does it use 99% cpu?
[18:44] <nikrud> borschty: as much as 101% , requires kill -9
[18:45] <jessica> dose hardy work better with laptops than gutsy because some of the power options is a little tempromental
[18:45] <dr_evil> must be a pretty powerful CPU if it can source 101%
[18:45] <nikrud> :) probably rounding error
[18:45] <borschty> ok, i'm experiencing the same problem, but i have a ipw2200 from intel
[18:46] <borschty> did the problem start recently, but it worked some days ago?
[18:46] <nikrud> fresh, brand new beta install
[18:47] <nikrud> tried the bc43-fwcutter , which dropped bc43 and bc43legacy in /lib/firmware , the issue started then.
[18:47] <nikrud> so I moved them out, and Network manager worked fine, with plugging & unplugging ethernet
[18:47] <nikrud> after reboot
[18:48] <borschty> hmm i think i'll try unloading the ipw2200 driver and starting NM again
[18:49] <borschty> does logging in using sudo take several minutes when NM is going insane?
[18:49] <nikrud> no. But that's another issue. bash completion fails with sudo <anything>Tab
[18:50] <borschty> without the ipw2200 NM does not use 99% cpu
[18:50] <borschty> however neither the kernel nor NM got changed since the last time it worked
[18:50] <nikrud> haven't had a chance to look it over, or check bugs. I've got a small list already for checking tomorrow.  I was just hoping someone had a 'Oh, yeah here's the workaround' right now. Off to work now
[18:51] <borschty> i'll try a hal downgrade
[18:52] <hydrogen> you're a hal downgrade.
[18:58] <noelferreira> i upgraded to hardy and now i am having some problems playing avi files with i haven't in gutsy. do you now what is the problem?
[18:58] <vistakiller> what problems you have?
[18:59] <noelferreira> vistakiller, the freezes and cuts in the screen. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/173663
[18:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity on xserver 1.4 (1.3 is ok)" [High,Fix released]
[19:00] <vistakiller> what driver you have?
[19:00] <noelferreira> fglrx
[19:00] <noelferreira> for ati xpress200 m
[19:00] <simion314> in 7.10 compiz work from Live Cd in 8.04 the compiz is not working. error is: Xgl not found, Found ati driver
[19:01] <simion314> any sugestion?
[19:01] <vistakiller> ati difficult situation
[19:01] <noelferreira> vistakiller, so how i downgrade to xserver 1.3 vistakiller ? or there is any solution?
[19:02] <SeveredCross> Strange, compiz works for me.
[19:02] <SeveredCross> With fglrx.
[19:02] <SeveredCross> However, I'm using the latest version from ATI that I built for myself, rather than the UBuntu packages.
[19:03] <steph_> Is there someone here who use hardy with vbox?
[19:03] <noelferreira> compiz works for me too. but i can't play avi files without freezes and crashes
[19:03] <vistakiller> i use hardy with vb
[19:03] <simion314> SeveredCross:  but in 7.10 the compiz worked from CD, witjhout any installation
[19:03] <vistakiller> and i use hardy with vb inside hardy :P
[19:03] <SeveredCross> simion314: The fglrx version might have changed and that broke something?
[19:03] <simion314> SeveredCross:  and my card ati radeon m6 ly is not on the list of suported cards
[19:04] <steph_> vistakiller: (pretty name :) I try to install the addon, but it gives me an error. Did you succeed with that?
[19:04] <SeveredCross> Actually, IIRC, there was a Compiz bug that allowed it to work on fglrx in Gutsy, that was fixed by a later compiz update/upgrade.
[19:04] <vistakiller> what addon guest additions?
[19:04] <oxigen> i dont know why my hd run so hot!?
[19:04] <SeveredCross> Also, they probably have fglrx blacklisted in Compiz.
[19:05] <_dan_> since -12 kernel i cnat get nvidia to work, neither with ubuntu package nior with envy
[19:05] <_dan_> can anyone give me a hint pls
[19:05] <SeveredCross> Because techically it does not work very well.
[19:05] <locomo> i clicked "Login Window" administration entry and Ubuntu "trashing" my hard drive for 3 minutes before applet showed itself. :/ second, network manager still forgeting to write "auto eth0" line to /etc/network/interfaces
[19:05] <SeveredCross> _dan_: I think they broke nvidia in the -12 kernel, but I thought it was fixed.
[19:05] <vistakiller> _dan i have the same problem
[19:05] <vistakiller> use envyng
[19:05] <flipstar> oxigen: maybe a fan died @_@
[19:05] <steph_> vistakiller: VirtualBox 1.5.0 Guest additions
[19:05] <oxigen> flipstar: my hd dont have fan
[19:05] <vistakiller> steph i can i have install them
[19:05] <vistakiller> where is the prob?
[19:05] <flipstar> oxigen: maybe its getting old ..
[19:06] <_dan_> SeveredCross  hm dont think so, not even envy is working thats weird
[19:06] <SeveredCross> Hmm. Then it's probably still broken.
[19:06] <vistakiller> _dan i have the same problem try to install not the simple envy but envung
[19:06] <vistakiller> envyng
[19:06] <oxigen> flipstar: ~10.000 hours isn't that old yet, i guess..
[19:06] <steph_> It tells me: "kernel configuration is invalid"
[19:06] <vistakiller> i try to install driver with differnet way but only this works
[19:07] <vistakiller> steph try to update the distro
[19:07] <flipstar> oxigen: it can be nearly everything..maybe sensors doesnt work correct ..
[19:07] <oxigen> hmm
[19:07] <steph_> I'll do my homework :)
[19:09] <locomo> "Put display to sleep..." started at 11 minutes, but i read on launchpad it is bug, and it is really not 11 minutes... why 11 minutes anyway? still not fixed since 7.10
[19:11] <steph_> vistakiller: it says that my system is up-to-date. My kernel is 2.6.24-12-386. I already installed linux-headers-`uname -r`INSIDE my virtual machine. Could be a problem with the host (or the guest)? :|
[19:11] <vistakiller> no i have this problem the sam prob with xubuntu in vm
[19:12] <vistakiller> but it works in ubuntu and kubuntu kde4
[19:15] <noelferreira> can i downgrade to xserver 1.3?
[19:16] <LaserJock> anybody having problems with NetworkManager after recent updates?
[19:16] <locomo> it seems ubuntu use vesa driver and not nv for 8800 GTS 512 (G92)... and it had not autodetected my native resolution 1680x1050... only 1280x1024
[19:16] <_dan_> does anyone have a workaround for the nvidia not working on -12 kernel?
[19:17] <flipstar> _dan_: did you do an kernel update ?
[19:17] <_dan_> yep, since a few weeks when -12 kernel came
[19:17] <borschty> downgrading hal worked
[19:17] <_dan_> nvidia inst working anymore
[19:17] <flipstar> _dan_: you need to reinstall nvidia drivers
[19:17] <_dan_> already did
[19:18] <flipstar> with running -12 kernel ?
[19:18] <_dan_> purged restriced modules purged nvidia-glx
[19:18] <noelferreira> vistakiller, what should i do?
[19:18] <_dan_> reinstalled everything
[19:19] <_dan_> which package did u mean to reinstall?
[19:19] <flipstar> i dont use the packages provided by ubuntu..so i dont know which package exactly
[19:19] <raidium> dan: did you use envy ?
[19:19] <locomo> what is this "hardware testing" tool? i followed few pages and cant stand it anymore... does it look like Everest if you made it to the end?
[19:20] <vistakiller> i have the same problem with _dan
[19:20] <_dan_> raidium no, i tried envy yesterday that didint wortk either
[19:20] <vistakiller> and i use envy to install the driver
[19:20] <_dan_> i usually try to avoid envy
[19:20] <vistakiller> it works fine to me
[19:20] <vistakiller> me to but was the only way
[19:20] <_dan_> wierd thing, it works now
[19:20] <_dan_> after installiny envy, end removing it again
[19:20] <raidium> i pulled the installed glx stuff , ran envy and now both my 8800gts work great (in same box)
[19:21] <_dan_> thx envy for fixing my ubuntu install ;)
[19:21] <raidium> the updater is running so slow today , must be getting hit hard
[19:22] <_dan_> beta was released lately
[19:22] <_dan_> many ppl upgrade with beta
[19:24] <vistakiller> yes
[19:24] <locomo> New theme should have its own entry and not "Custom". i switched to Human and cant switch back to default theme, "Custom" dissapeared
[19:24] <vistakiller> dan the have fix the problem with nvidia in 12 kernel
[19:24] <vistakiller> but they have break it again when they fix the problem with audio :P
[19:26] <dotpavan> hi.. anybody experiencing FF3b4 freezing issues on 8.10? I couldnt find any bug report either
[19:27] <locomo> where you got 8.10? :/
[19:27] <locomo> time machine?
[19:27] <noelferreira> does anyone knows what should i do with ati driver to play avi files? can i downgrade to xserver 1.3?
[19:27] <dotpavan> sorry 8.04
[19:27] <dotpavan> :) cross breed of 7.10 and 8.04 ;)
[19:27] <locomo> :)
[19:27] <cwillu> locomo, just change the controls theme to human-murrine
[19:28] <flipstar> noelferreira: do you have ubuntu-restriceted-extras installed ?
[19:28] <noelferreira> yes flipstar
[19:28] <cwillu> noelferreira, what problem are you seeing?
[19:28] <locomo> cwillu: thanks
[19:28] <flipstar> noelferreira: which player are you using ?
[19:28] <cwillu> locomo, afaik, I think there's still discussion as to whether that's the final theme or not
[19:28] <jamestoy> howdy
[19:29] <flipstar> noelferreira: with mplayer you could use different video drivers
[19:29] <noelferreira> evrything was perfect in gutsy. its seems is a poblem with the new server xorg
[19:29] <cwillu> noelferreira, lets not be jumping to conclusions
[19:29] <cwillu> noelferreira, what is the exact problem you're seeing?
[19:29] <noelferreira> i read the bug. i'm not jumping
[19:29] <locomo> cwillu: i liked human buttons more, they was 3D and cool, and new are flat
[19:30] <noelferreira> cwillu, i can't play avi files. freezes and crashes like before when we need XGL server to use compiz
[19:30] <cwillu> did you still need xgl under gutsy?
[19:30] <noelferreira> no cwillu
[19:31] <cwillu> you can probably run gstreamer-properties and changes the video output method, but that approach is far from ideal
[19:31] <cwillu> noelferreira, have the bug number handY?
[19:31] <noelferreira> in gutsy everything was ok using aiglx
[19:31] <noelferreira> yes 1 second
[19:31] <noelferreira> cwillu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/173663
[19:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity on xserver 1.4 (1.3 is ok)" [High,Fix released]
[19:32] <ethana2> How feasible would it be for a fresh ubuntu dual boot to rip proprietary codecs right off of windows and run them in WINE?
[19:33] <cwillu> ethana2, afaik, the 'ugly' codecs _are_ the windows codecs
[19:33] <cwillu> at least, there's a gstreamer wrapper that lets you do that, if it's not installed by ubuntu-restricted-extras already
[19:33] <ethana2> oh
[19:34] <cwillu> noelferreira, they claim its fixed?
[19:35] <noelferreira> cwillu, i can't put it working here
[19:35] <cwillu> k, I'm still reading the bug, just not sure if you saw that
[19:35] <cwillu> you get the same fallback to metacity?
[19:36] <cwillu> or are you using skip_checks to force it despite a blacklist?
[19:37] <Johan-_> anyone got ssl to work with netatalk?
[19:37] <borschty> cwillu: ugly codecs are not the windows codecs, they are codecs which can not be licensed under lgpl, lame for example which is gpl
[19:37] <jessica> i dont think this is normal my ubuntu 7.10 is freezing and i think its because im in the middle of upgrading to hardy but when i upgraded from other editions of ubuntu it never happend
[19:38] <borschty> pitfdll + w32codecs are the windows codecs
[19:38] <cwillu> jessica, this is still a beta, there's still problems
[19:38] <flipstar> jessica: afaik you can break the update at downloading and resume later
[19:39] <cwillu> jessica, is the update freezing, or is it just slowing down other things you're doing?
[19:39] <noelferreira> cwillu, yes i have the same problem with metacity. even worst i guess
[19:40] <jessica> no the update carrys on when it freezes its just i am unable to move the mouse and or use keyboard input it lasts about 10 seconds then returns back to normal
[19:40] <noelferreira> cwillu, i will restart my xorg. one minute
[19:40] <cwillu> borschty, ugly is just anything that has distribution problems;  but either way, pitfdll is included in restricted-extras
[19:41] <borschty> however ugly does not include the windows codecs
[19:41] <jessica> it seems to be picking up now
[19:42] <EruditeHermit> hey I did an upgrade today and network manager is now unable to connect to a network and eats 100% cpu. I've been trying to track it down to network manager, hal but I've not had any success. Has anyone experienced similar?
[19:42] <Niklas_E> is there any tool like xf86cfg or something for ubuntu? Need top change the drivers but don't find any tool for it
[19:43] <jessica> did that happen with anyone else i just found that odd
[19:43] <EruditeHermit> Niklas_E: displayconfig-gtk
[19:43] <noelferreira> cwillu, :( no good luck. any idea. should i change something in xorg.conf?
[19:43] <cwillu> noelferreira, how are you running compiz?
[19:44] <noelferreira> what you mean cwillu. compiz is not the problem.
[19:44] <noelferreira> cwillu, the problem is worst without compiz
[19:44] <cwillu> noelferreira, then that bug you posted isn't the same bug
[19:44] <cwillu> may be related, but its not the same
[19:45] <cwillu> noelferreira, other than video, what issues are you seeing?
[19:45] <noelferreira> i thought it was. can i downgrade to xserver 1.3?
[19:46] <noelferreira> compiz a little slow cwillu
[19:46] <cwillu> noelferreira, it'd be more useful to figure out why it's broken
[19:46] <cwillu> bug 197639 sounds like it might be related
[19:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197639 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[hardy] fglrx xv output not available for video playback" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197639
[19:47] <EdwardXp3> i got error on my kernel upgrade
[19:47] <noelferreira> cwillu, i use other instead of xv and i have the same problem.
[19:47] <EdwardXp3> kernel panic not syncing VFS .. unable to mount root
[19:47] <cwillu> pastebin me your xorg.conf file
[19:49] <cwillu> noelferreira, what videocard do you have, and which arch of ubuntu are you running? (x86, amd64, ?)
[19:50] <noelferreira> amd64, ati radeon xpress 200 M cwillu
[19:50] <cwillu> noelferreira, is that xorg.conf coming?
[19:50] <noelferreira> cwillu, http://pastebin.com/m3cfc49f4
[19:50] <cwillu> thx
[19:51] <cwillu> noelferreira, did you see that bug I posted?  does that sound like it?
[19:51] <noelferreira> maybe cwillu
[19:51] <noelferreira> not sure
[19:51] <cwillu> k
[19:51] <cwillu> did you modify xorg.conf recently?
[19:52] <cwillu> noelferreira,
[19:52] <noelferreira> cwillu, should i try Option "AGPMode" "4"
[19:53] <cwillu> noelferreira, :)  no, unless somebody has reported it makes a difference (preferably on a bug report, not ubuntuforums)
[19:53] <cwillu> doubt its related
[19:54] <Johan-_> sorry for spaming, anyone got ssl to work with netatalk?
[19:54] <cwillu> don't be sorry, just don't spam :p
[19:55] <cwillu> noelferreira, how are you in a terminal?
[19:55] <Johan-_> cwillu: have to spam a couple of times/h to get any respons :/
[19:55] <noelferreira> i'm using tilda ok cwillu
[19:57] <cwillu> noelferreira, can you backup your current xorg.conf, and then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and see what you get then?
[19:57] <tobylane> Can I use this with wubi?
[19:57] <cwillu> noelferreira, might need to manually reset fglrx as the driver, but don't add any other options to the device
[19:57] <noelferreira> ok cwillu
[19:58] <noelferreira> cwillu, by the way: http://pastebin.com/m182680e7
[19:58] <noelferreira> some info
[19:58] <cwillu> thx
[19:58] <cwillu> noelferreira, you're an upgrade, right?
[19:58] <noelferreira> yes
[19:59] <tobylane> Can I use ubuntu8 with wubi?
[19:59] <jimmygoon> has anyone else dealt with the ccsm csm-simple appearance dialog problems?
[19:59] <jimmygoon> tobylane, the ubuntu 8.04 beta includes wubi yes
[19:59] <noelferreira> yesterday. first problem was running gnome-daemon-settings. but i delete xrand on gconfig and now it is ok
[19:59] <noelferreira> yesterday. first problem was running gnome-daemon-settings. but i delete xrand on gconfig and now it is ok cwillu
[19:59] <cwillu> tobylane, I'd advise waiting for hardy to go final if you're not comfortable with troubleshooting
[19:59] <tobylane> No, im not really
[20:00] <jimmygoon> g-d-s / xrandr problems were (mostly to my knowledge) fixed as of updates two days ago
[20:00] <tobylane> I have livecds with install cds, can I use something off them for wubi with ubuntu 7?
[20:00] <jimmygoon> tobylane, what?
[20:00] <tobylane> I have live cds, install cds, an awful internet connection, and wubi without its iso
[20:00] <tobylane> Can I use an iso off either cds for wubi
[20:01] <cwillu> tobylane, you could just boot off the livecd
[20:01] <tobylane> Isn't wubi like live cd, testing without installing
[20:01] <noelferreira> one minute cwillu i'll restart X
[20:01] <cwillu> k
[20:02] <cwillu> tobylane, no, it's an install to a file on the drive, without repartitioning
[20:02] <cwillu> it's still a bit experimental (this will be the first release that actually supports it in any way)
[20:02] <tobylane> Ok... so ill stick to live cds
[20:02] <tobylane> So in 32 days I can shipit order ubuntu 8?
[20:03] <cwillu> tobylane, you should be able to just put the cd in the drive and reboot, and have it run off the cd;  you can install from there if you want (although it'll have to repartition to install)
[20:03] <cwillu> tobylane, probably, although I don't know for sure
[20:03] <tobylane> Ok, thanks
[20:05] <thompa> federico: hey thanks for the tip
[20:07] <cwillu> is exa on by default across the board, or are some drivers still xaa by default?
[20:09] <noelferreira> cwillu, :( nothing
[20:14] <noelferreira> cwillu, any idea?
[20:15] <cwillu> was hoping you'd give me a bit more to go on :p
[20:15] <cwillu> what does your xorg.conf look like right now?
[20:15] <cwillu> (after the reconfigure at least)
[20:17] <noelferreira> i change  to the  previous configuration.
[20:18] <noelferreira> can i downgrade to xserver 1.3 cwillu ?
[20:19] <cwillu> noelferreira, is that newer or older than an x1050, do you know?
[20:19] <noelferreira> its the previous one in gutsy
[20:20] <cwillu> no, the video card
[20:20] <EruditeHermit> hey I did an upgrade today and network manager is now unable to connect to a network and eats 100% cpu. I've been trying to track it down to network manager, hal but I've not had any success. Has anyone experienced similar?
[20:20] <noelferreira> cwillu, i don't know.
[20:20] <thompa> anyone know whats up with usb devices, they all worked in alpha and are now not showing up
[20:20] <borschty> EruditeHermit: downgrade hal
[20:20] <noelferreira> but it was working so good in gutsy
[20:20] <EruditeHermit> borschty: I did but it didn't work
[20:21] <borschty> EruditeHermit: to which version?
[20:21] <EruditeHermit> borschty: 0.5.9
[20:21] <borschty> and libhal, too?
[20:21] <EruditeHermit> borschty: yep libhal1 libhal-storage hal hal-info
[20:21] <cwillu> noelferreira, that's what I'm trying to figure out, because everything I've read says it shouldn't have been working there at all unless it was under xgl, or it'll work just as well under the latest with the right config
[20:21] <zcat[1]> Woohoo!! the difference between alpha6 and beta1 is awesome!
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> I'm testing out the beta. I got this message: Could not install 'libc6' Is this ok?
[20:22] <noelferreira> cwillu, i will try drivers from ati
[20:22] <nikrud> borschty: just checked in, what doesn downgrading hall fix?
[20:22] <cwillu> noelferreira, fglrx is the driver from ati
[20:22] <zcat[1]> well, I assume I have beta1 -- I upgraded last night.
[20:22] <borschty> EruditeHermit: i solved it by downgrading to 0.5.10+git20080301-1ubuntu2
[20:22] <noelferreira> cwillu, a new one
[20:22] <EruditeHermit> borschty: where did you get that hal?
[20:23] <cwillu> noelferreira, you can try theirs, but you'll be beyond the point where you'll get much willing help here (i.e., no longer contributing towards getting hardy working for as many people as possible before it's released)
[20:23] <borschty> EruditeHermit: still had those in my /var/cache/apt/archives folder
[20:23] <cwillu> noelferreira, do you have a copy of xorg.conf from before the upgrade?
[20:23] <EruditeHermit> borschty: is there a snapshot.debian.net equivalent for ubuntu?
[20:23] <benplaut> hehehe
[20:23] <noelferreira> no
[20:23] <noelferreira> i lost them in the upgrade
[20:23] <borschty> nikrud: you had the NetworkManager-problem, too?
[20:24] <zcat[1]> screenlets still flakey as, they need to wait until compiz is launched before they try to run is all
[20:24] <EruditeHermit> borschty: somewhere where I can find old versions of packages
[20:24] <nikrud> borschty: yeap
[20:24] <cwillu> noelferreira, give me a sec, I'm making a device section for you to try
[20:24] <noelferreira> ok
[20:24] <borschty> nikrud: did you try downgrading hal?
[20:24] <noelferreira> thanks
[20:24] <zcat[1]> I hacked a script that waits 10s and then runs the screenlets.
[20:24] <benplaut> i install, fglrx is broken at first glance, and i think to myself "i've done this before, but is it really worth it?!"
[20:24] <xtknight> there's still no sw raid LiveCD config right?
[20:25] <nikrud> borschty: I'll take a look. I do believe I got some hal stuff in an upgrade from the beta disk
[20:25] <benplaut> and now i'm rebooted, back to an old OS :P
[20:25] <borschty> EruditeHermit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/
[20:26] <borschty> EruditeHermit: maybe even downgrading only hal or only libhal would be enough, but i downgraded both at the same time
[20:26] <nikrud> borschty: nope, no hal even in my archives. git 20080301-1ubuntu2 you said fixes that?
[20:27] <borschty> nikrud: thats a working version for me, maybe ...ubuntu3 works, too
[20:27] <borschty> did not try it
[20:27] <nikrud> no problem for me really. I'll just wire up until some fixes roll downstream. I try to keep these as close to actually released as I can
[20:28] <Ergo^> hello just installed hardy, everything is working good so far - but there is a small problem, when i installed 7.10 and had compiz-config-manager - there was additional entry "custom effects" - in "visual effects" tab in apperance preferences - its gone now and i dont know how to get my custom effects to load on logon. any hints ?
[20:28] <cwillu> noelferreira, http://pastebin.com/mfd91157
[20:29] <noelferreira> ok
[20:29] <cwillu> copy that into xorg.conf, and restart x.  If it doesn't work, comment out the Textured2d line, and try again
[20:29] <noelferreira> cwillu, i will try
[20:29] <EruditeHermit> borschty: ok let me try; thanks
[20:30] <simion314> compiz vorked on my laptop without ATI proprietary drivers in 7.10 but is not working in 8.04 beta(it worked when i tested alpha 4) so what changed?
[20:30] <noelferreira> cwillu, what is the difference from mine?
[20:30] <ethan961> Ergo^, do any affects load?
[20:30] <cwillu> simion314, blacklisted on laptops due to power management issues
[20:30] <ethan961> *effects
[20:30] <Ergo^> ethan961: everything works , and loading my config manually via "advanced desktop effects" works fine too
[20:31] <cwillu> noelferreira, the disabled videooverlay (deprecated), added texturedvideo, et al
[20:31] <cwillu> noelferreira, and deleted all the repeated options that confuse matters
[20:31] <simion314> cwillu:  can i modify the start script for compiz to work? i must install other packages?
[20:31] <noelferreira> here i go
[20:32] <cwillu> simion314, iirc, you lose significant battery life by forcing it on
[20:32] <cwillu> simion314, there's a manner to disable the blacklist, I'm not dead sure what it is offhand (somebody else here probably knows, chime in if you do :p)
[20:33] <Ergo^> ethan961: if i right click desktop , select "change desk.. bgr..."  and ho to visual effects there are 3 options : none , normal , extra. I had one more in 7.10 - custom
[20:33] <simion314> i seen compiz using less then 1or 2 % of CPU  and not all the time so not so much power saving
[20:34] <nikrud> cwillu: simion314 http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist
[20:34] <noelferreira> cwillu, nope
[20:34] <cwillu> noelferreira, how so...
[20:34] <EruditeHermit> borschty: thanks it worked
[20:34] <EruditeHermit> borschty: someone should put it in the topic
[20:35] <noelferreira> same problem cwillu and i can't notice difference. one thing i see is that the movie in fullscreen have more problems for rendering. in original size it is almost ok
[20:35] <cwillu> noelferreira, is that with or without compiz?
[20:36] <noelferreira> with cwillu . with metacity it is even worst :)
[20:36] <EruditeHermit> borschty: also does the ubuntu archive keep old versions of packages in the pool so you can downgrade easily?
[20:36] <cwillu> noelferreira, is gstreamer-properties set back to autodetect?
[20:37] <noelferreira> i think yes
[20:37] <cwillu> noelferreira, can you check?
[20:37] <borschty> EruditeHermit: i don't know how long packages are kept on the server
[20:38] <noelferreira> should i have v4l or v4l2 in input plugin of cideo?
[20:38] <noelferreira> *video
[20:39] <cwillu> noelferreira, input doesn't matter unless you're doing video capture
[20:39] <noelferreira> so it is ok
[20:39] <noelferreira> autodetect
[20:39] <cwillu> okay
[20:40] <noelferreira> cwillu, the problem is that this is the only system i have :)
[20:40] <noelferreira> i didn't bakcup gutsy
[20:40] <noelferreira> and like always i never can wait for the stable releases
[20:40] <noelferreira> :)
[20:41] <cwillu> noelferreira, that's, um, uh...
[20:41] <cwillu> it's not a great combination of habits
[20:42] <cwillu> noelferreira, okay, came across some new info
[20:42] <cwillu> one sec though
[20:42] <noelferreira> ok
[20:42] <EruditeHermit> thanks borschty btw
[20:43] <cwillu> no, that doesn't make any sense
[20:43] <noelferreira> one last check
[20:43] <noelferreira> 1 minute
[20:45] <stephans> I just installed alpha 4... still no way to join a windows domain like SUSE?
[20:45] <stephans> I thought I read that this was supposed to be included in this release?
[20:45] <cwillu> stephans, might try installing the beta instead of a 3 month old alpha :p
[20:46] <cwillu> but no idea, sorry
[20:46] <Ergo^> ok, anyone maye has a clue what caused the custom configuration for compiz missing ?
[20:46] <AlexHoover> Hmm, has anyone else had issues updating from 6.04?
[20:46] <cwillu> almost certainly can join a domain via terminal, but I don't know if we have a gui yet
[20:46] <chdst> 6.06?
[20:46] <AlexHoover> Dapper Drake
[20:46] <AlexHoover> Whatever it is. :p
[20:47] <cwillu> AlexHoover, if you had done extensive customization, you may have all sorts of fun
[20:47] <AlexHoover> My update manager or whatever gets to the "calculation" phase and then errors.
[20:47] <AlexHoover> cwillu, nothing changed except I installed LAMP.
[20:47] <cwillu> AlexHoover, as much as possible, remove 3rd party packages and repositories
[20:48] <AlexHoover> I don't know if this is the problem
[20:48] <AlexHoover> But in the terminal it says,
[20:48] <stephans> cwillu... beta?
[20:48] <AlexHoover> "WARNING: Failed to read mirror file"
[20:48] <stephans> ok.. wait
[20:48] <J-_> So, not it starts hurting, wth!
[20:48] <J-_> s/not/now
[20:49] <J-_> whoops, thought it was #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:50] <J-_> (finger btw) frozen turkey landed on it
[20:50]  * Ergo^ wonders why he is always the only one who never receives help on irc :]
[20:50] <bjwebb> hi
[20:50] <Ergo^> hello
[20:50] <bjwebb> Ergo^: awwwww
[20:50] <simion314> the reson that compiz blacklisted my card is that something bad happen and now it is not working  fine, on 7.10 worked ok, a bug appeared in some place and i hope they will find it
[20:51] <lamalex> Did they move the location of the beta isos?
[20:51] <Ergo^> simon what gf card do you have ?
[20:51]  * bjwebb is lucky
[20:52] <cwillu> Ergo^, just means you have more interesting problems :p
[20:52] <bjwebb> my card works out of the box in the beta, but didn't in the alphas
[20:52] <Johan-_> sorry for spaming (yet again), anyone got ssl to work with netatalk?
[20:52] <bjwebb> Ergo^: what are these interesting problems of yours?
[20:52] <simion314> i have an ATI radeon
[20:52] <Ergo^> cwillu: lol ;-)
[20:52] <cwillu> Ergo^, I haven't gotten meaningful assistance in, well, a couple years :p
[20:52] <Brent^> I'm installing Ubuntu 8.04 from inside Windows Vista and the window for the installer seems to have frozen up. It says "setup was completed succesfully" but the install progress bad is only about 2/3 there. Can I close the window or will this mess up the install?
[20:53] <Ergo^> bjwebb: small problem, cant seem to find configuration setting for compiz for custom effects.. it was in 7.10 - maybe ill try reload ? :D
[20:53] <cwillu> Ergo^, not installed by default (wasn't in gutsy either)
[20:53] <stephans> OK OK -- i did not knwo that a beta was available..
[20:53] <calc> Ergo^: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[20:53] <Ergo^> i installed it the same way as in gutsy (synaptic)
[20:54] <Ergo^> calc its there
[20:54] <stephans> So I intend to install it using a preseed file.. anything I need to think about?
[20:54] <noelferreira> cwillu, news?
[20:54] <cwillu> noelferreira, puzzlement
[20:54] <Ergo^> i can load the compiz profile with it - it works
[20:54] <calc> maybe gnome-compiz-manager too, i'm not sure
[20:54] <Brent^> anyone know?
[20:54] <calc> i don't use compiz as it is too limited
[20:55] <Ergo^> the problem is  i have only 3 settings in visual settings : none, normal, extra ... on 7.10 i had "custom" also
[20:55] <stephans> 7.10 would refuse to use local sources... we will see if this one will do better.
[20:55] <noelferreira> what cwillu
[20:56] <Ergo^> ok maybe its something that is integrated deeply
[20:56] <Ergo^> ill try to reboot and see if it helps (yes naive... )
[20:56] <cwillu> noelferreira, jumped through 4 bug reports, a couple wiki pages, settled on an update which should solve it, which is apparently already in mainline
[20:56] <noelferreira> and...
[20:56] <cwillu> x200 you said, right?
[20:57] <noelferreira> yes cwillu
[20:57] <noelferreira> radeon xpress 200 M
[20:59] <Brent^> hmm... forcing that window to close then restarting, good idea or bad idea?
[20:59] <cwillu> noelferreira, what does xvinfo give you?
[21:00] <tgelter> is there a reason that my gdm theme hasn't been updated like everyone else's?
[21:01] <alex_mayorga> throw me a bone here, not audio at all
[21:01] <b47619> I installed the beta and am still having the same issue!
[21:01] <b47619> the xserver restarts in a normal gnome session and i have no /etc/gnome/config
[21:02] <sectech> Has anyone had any luck getting Java working in Firefox3b4 on hardy yet?
[21:03] <SeveredCross> Has anyone had problems with Totem not playing DVD's?
[21:03] <noelferreira> cwillu, http://pastebin.com/m72043474
[21:03] <fromport> sectech: 32 or 64 ?
[21:03] <alex_mayorga> sectech: check bug 201143 for my workaround
[21:03] <cwillu> noelferreira, um
[21:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201143 in sun-java6 "no Java plugin for Firefox with sun-java-6 installed in Hardy alpha 6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201143
[21:04] <cwillu> noelferreira, xgl shouldn't be showing up there
[21:04] <SeveredCross> I just installed icedtea's JDK, then Java worked.
[21:04] <cwillu> noelferreira, is xserver-xgl installed in synaptic?
[21:04] <sectech> ok :) thanks alex_mayorga
[21:05] <sectech> fromport, 32
[21:05] <b47619> does anyone know of a cause for this: the xserver restarts in a normal gnome session and i have no /etc/gnome/config
[21:05] <cwillu> b47619, is this still an update, or a fresh reinstall?
[21:05] <Ergo^> back
[21:06] <b47619> fresh reinstall
[21:06] <Ergo^> still no "custom" setting for compiz :D
[21:06] <cwillu> Ergo^, where are you looking?
[21:06] <cwillu> Ergo^, system | preferences | advanced desktop effects settings?
[21:07] <Ergo^> cwillu: thats the compizconfig-manager , yes ? i have that
[21:07] <alex_mayorga> any known workaround for the "no audio" situation?
[21:08] <cwillu> Ergo^, commas and question marks have no spaces before them :p
[21:08] <cwillu> Ergo^, do you have that menu entry?
[21:08] <fromport> sectech: i have java working in my browser: i used sun-java6-jre. to run non browser java i had to install icedtea-java7-jre
[21:08] <Ergo^> im looking in " right click desktop > change backround >visual effects
[21:08] <Ergo^> cwillu: yes i have that menu entry
[21:08] <cwillu> Ergo^, that's the settings for compiz
[21:08] <noelferreira> cwillu, yes
[21:08] <cwillu> unless you're looking for something else
[21:09] <cwillu> noelferreira, that shouldn't be installed
[21:09] <cwillu> but
[21:09] <noelferreira> let me see
[21:09] <noelferreira> ah wait no
[21:09] <noelferreira> xgl no
[21:09] <fromport> b47619 try a clean install and make sure you have no old "data": wipe your partions
[21:09] <noelferreira> it uses AIGLX no
[21:09] <noelferreira> now
[21:09] <cwillu> noelferreira, what does ps aux|grep X give you?
[21:09] <b47619> i format EVERY time
[21:09] <b47619> and can ubuntu 8.04 write to ntfs as a clena install?
[21:10] <cwillu> b47619, yes
[21:10] <noelferreira>  19407 30.9 17.9 227104 161332 ?       S    21:52   5:13 Xgl :1 -accel xv:pbuffer -accel glx:pbuffer -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama
[21:10] <noelferreira>  :)
[21:10] <fromport> and everytime it's not working ? you dont restore any old config /home dir ?
[21:10] <sectech> fromport, I just tried the work around that was posted.... The applet tries to load (using a popular java game site)
[21:10] <b47619> i thought so
[21:10] <cwillu> noelferreira, caught you :p
[21:10] <Ergo^> cwillu: yes i have the setting manager for compiz installed, i just cant get it to rememver what settings i set ;-)
[21:10] <noelferreira> lol
[21:10] <fromport> sectech: url ?
[21:10] <cwillu> Ergo^, ahhhh, looking for what you had set before
[21:10] <noelferreira> i will remove and restart X
[21:11] <cwillu> Ergo^, was it a synaptic install before, or did you run a compiled or thirdparty compiz?
[21:11] <sectech> actually wait a sec.... I think something got mixed up here....
[21:11] <cwillu> Ergo^, but you might be out of luck, although you can dig around your home dir
[21:11] <b47619> and I can't resize an ntfs partition...
[21:12] <sectech> heh,  lets try removing firefox2 and 3
[21:12] <Ergo^> cwillu: it was synaptic install
[21:12] <sectech> didn't realize I had both installed
[21:12] <cwillu> b47619, run a scandisk from windows, reboot twice CLEANLY, and then boot into ubuntu's live cd (again, clean restart, no power buttons)
[21:12] <cwillu> b47619, ubuntu knows better than to try to mess with a partition that might have errors on it :p
[21:12] <cwillu> Ergo^, :/
[21:12] <b47619> I can't boot into the live cd it retsarts there also
[21:13] <b47619> the xserver also restarts on the live cd.
[21:13] <cwillu> b47619, what video card?
[21:13] <b47619> onboard ati radeon xpress 200
[21:13] <cwillu> :/
[21:13] <cwillu> I think you have hardware problems
[21:14] <Brent^> I installed ubuntu 8.04 beta but when I boot to that partition it doesn't give me a GUI. Is their something I have to type?
[21:14] <b47619> i think so
[21:14] <b47619> also what should I do get another hard drive or a cd drive?
[21:14] <cwillu> b47619, noelferreira has the same chipset, but it doesn't kill it
[21:14] <b47619> I am burning to sony dvd since I think I am out of cds
[21:14] <b47619> should I try a cd?
[21:14] <b47619> I have had issues with these dvds before
[21:15] <cwillu> b47619, it's really hard to say;  if the iso test worked fine, then it's probably not the drive, but there's so many possible places a problem could arise
[21:15] <freexe> My sound has stopped working since I've upgraded, is there a way to get Ubuntu to re autodetect my sound drivers?
[21:15] <b47619> 2 sound cards and 2 network cards
[21:15] <b47619> 1 onboard and an add-on
[21:17] <freexe> Anyone?
[21:17]  * cwillu wishes he had a couple clones
[21:18] <cwillu> freexe, run this in a terminal: lspci|grep -i audio
[21:18] <flipstar> not Audio ?
[21:19] <freexe> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[21:19] <cwillu> flipstar, I just use -i to ignore case and ignore the fact that the case may vary :p
[21:19] <flipstar> oh right oversaw that
[21:20] <freexe> I get the error No Volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found if I double click on the speak on the toolbar
[21:20] <Brent^> Ubuntu 8.04 hates me ;_;
[21:20] <nikolas_> Hi all
[21:20] <nikolas_>  I have trouble connecting to my wireless network (wep encrypted) after upgrading today to hardy beta
[21:20] <SeveredCross> Brent^: Why, what's wrong?
[21:20] <SeveredCross> nikolas_: Any errors?
[21:20] <nikolas_> so here it goes
[21:20] <nikolas_> before the dist-upgrade to trouble at all
[21:20] <SeveredCross> nikolas_: A good way to look for errors is to tail -f /var/log/daemon.log and see what happens there, look for anything NetworkManager related.
[21:21] <Brent^> it wont show any kind of GUI when I try and use it and I dont know what commands to type to get it to do so
[21:21] <nikolas_> I upgraded and still no trouble with the network
[21:21] <freexe> cwillu, is there anything else I can look for?
[21:21] <Ergo^> cwillu: http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotub5.png - can you confirm you dont have "custom" setting too ?
[21:21] <nikolas_> then i did the proposed updates and lost the wireless netwrking
[21:21] <cwillu> one sec
[21:21] <flipstar> !intelhda | freexe did you looked at this ?
[21:21] <ubotu> freexe did you looked at this ?: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[21:21] <nikolas_> give me a sec to check for the error messages
[21:21] <Ergo^> compiz guys say its probably a bug in ubuntu not compiz
[21:22] <sectech> The work around worked great
[21:22] <sectech> thank you
[21:23] <nikolas_> I checked the syslog 5 minutes ago and there were tons of messages on wlan0
[21:23] <Brent^> how do I check if I accidentally installed the server version of ubuntu?
[21:23] <napsy_> hm something strange is happening with my system after the latest upgrades
[21:23] <napsy_> the system gets very unresponsive for a short period of time
[21:24] <cwillu> Brent^, just install ubuntu-desktop, that'll get you a normal desktop install (server install is really just a barebones)
[21:24] <nikolas_> rebooting the laptop and fetching the daemon.log
[21:24] <Brent^> cwillu: I know, but how do I check what is already installed
[21:24] <cwillu> Ergo^, where you just looking for the fourth option?
[21:25] <cwillu> Brent^, package manager?
[21:25] <Brent^> dont know what that is
[21:25] <cwillu> Brent^, it'll have whatever you've installed
[21:25] <Ergo^> on that screenshot it was under "extra" , at least in 7.10
[21:25] <insomninja> Brent^, if you installed the server version, you wouldn't have a graphical environment
[21:25] <insomninja> from the beginning at least
[21:25] <b47619> do you think 2 sound cards and 2 network cards is causing my issue? or is it the sony dvds instead of cds?
[21:25] <cwillu> Ergo^, ya, I remember that;  my laptop just shows the three with none selected
[21:25] <freexe> Does hardy still use asla, what is all the pulse audio stuff about
[21:25] <cwillu> Ergo^, feel free to report a bug :p
[21:26] <Ergo^> bah :D
[21:26] <Brent^> only graphics I saw when I booted it was "ubuntu" and a load bar. then no GUI
[21:26] <cwillu> freexe, yes;  alsa hasn't been replaced, esd has
[21:26] <cwillu> freexe, alsa is the low level drivers (alternative to oss), where esd is the mixer that allows more than one app to use sound at a time (and which is replaced by pulse)
[21:26] <cwillu> Brent^, log in, and then type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[21:26] <freexe> cwillu, how do I find out if alsa is broken
[21:27] <cwillu> freexe, look at the link flipstar pointed you at
[21:27] <insomninja> Brent^, if it went/stayed in terminal mode, without any xserver error messages I would suppose you have the server version installed
[21:27] <eklof> Is there a regexp-wizkid around? How do I extract only v4 ip-addresses out of any logfile?
[21:27] <b47619> woulkd 2 sound cards and 2 network cards cause my issues or sony dvds?
[21:28] <freexe> cwillu, I have, it's quite long winded, and I wanted to be sure before moving away from the package manager
[21:28] <eklof> Can't print columns using cut or awk since the ip is not on a specific column
[21:28] <cwillu> eklof, /d+\./d+\./d+\./d+\ is approximately what you want
[21:28] <insomninja> Brent^, (since a wrongly configured xserver would also drop you to terminal, but leave messages)
[21:28] <eklof> cwillu: hm ok.
[21:28] <zcat[1]> ever since I installed nvidia drivers, I get no loading splash, just grub, black screen until gdm loads
[21:28] <cwillu>  /d = digit, +=at least once, \. = literal dot, etc
[21:28] <Brent^> alright I'll try that. Gotta reboot this machine to find out
[21:29] <Brent^> so I type "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" correct?
[21:29] <cwillu> zcat[1], odd, I wouldn't expect it to affect that off a clean reboot
[21:29] <zcat[1]> Brent^: that'll work
[21:29] <cwillu> Brent^, it might take a little while though
[21:29] <cwillu> Brent^, might be quicker to just reinstall
[21:29] <zcat[1]> I think it was working b4 the nvidia drivers.. it might have been broken from the start
[21:30] <cwillu> zcat[1], did you install any fb stuff, or change the grub lines?
[21:30] <TobiasTheCommie> anyone running hardy beta with fglrx driver? X keeps crashing whenever i right click with the mouse....
[21:30] <zcat[1]> nope
[21:30] <nikolas_> ok
[21:30] <TobiasTheCommie> still playing with stuff to see if i can find a cause...
[21:30] <TobiasTheCommie> but, the fglrx driver crashes
[21:30] <TobiasTheCommie> http://rafb.net/p/MeXvKd88.html
[21:30] <cwillu> I'm starting to think fglrx might be the bane of hardy
[21:31] <nikolas_> The problem with the wireless propably starts with the line wlan0 fully supported using driver '(null)'
[21:31] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: haha, so i take it this isn't the only problem with fglrx
[21:31] <pej> I'm having troubles with my LUKS encrypted partitions not being recognized by Hardy. Whenever I boot the computer, I'm never asked for the passphrase, and I get an error message saying cryptsetup can't find the partition. Any ideas as to what might be wrong?
[21:31]  * cwillu glances at noelferreira 
[21:31] <zcat[1]> oh well, gtg move some files about, bbl...
[21:31] <Brent^> cwillu: last time I installed (from instide windows) the window froze up and I couldn't do anything like task manager or shutdown. so I had to hold the power button for 6 secs. bad idea?
[21:32] <cwillu> Brent^, it's not ideal
[21:32] <cwillu> Brent^, sorry, I haven't played with wubi much at all
[21:32] <nikolas_> after a bunch of lines on wlan0 activation stages i have a <WARN> tag
[21:32] <Brent^> cwillu: it said "installation completed" so I assummed it was finw
[21:32] <Brent^> fine*
[21:33] <MasterScript> hi
[21:33] <Brent^> well I'll try the other thing and be back when its done
[21:33] <cwillu> ahhhh, I get it
[21:33] <atlef> anyone experience this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayerplug-in/+bug/204203
[21:33] <MasterScript> can somebody help me with shoutcast?
[21:33] <cwillu> sorry, too many conversations I'm trying to have :0
[21:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204203 in mplayerplug-in "difficult to remove FF3 beta, and keep FF2 functionality" [Undecided,New]
[21:33] <nikolas_> nm_signal_handler(): Caught signal 11. Generating backtrace
[21:33] <cwillu> Brent^, ya, if you've gotten that far, the ubuntu-desktop will work
[21:33] <TobiasTheCommie> hehe, also middle button crashes it
[21:33] <noelferreira> cwillu, sorry. i was eating sometinhg
[21:34] <cwillu> noelferreira, no problem, I was just pointing people at you to commiserate with
[21:36] <flipstar> MasterScript: whats the prob with shoutcast ?
[21:36] <noelferreira> ah ok cwillu thanks
[21:37] <MasterScript> flipstar: -bash: ./sc_serv: No such file or directory
[21:37] <flipstar> youre in the right directory ?
[21:38] <MasterScript> yup
[21:38] <nikolas_> any help on getting the wireless network back up?
[21:38] <MasterScript> masterscript@masterscript-desktop:~/shell$ cd sc
[21:39] <flipstar> ls lists it ?
[21:39] <MasterScript> README.TXT  sc_serv  sc_serv_1.9.8_Linux.tar.gz  sc_serv.conf
[21:39] <TobiasTheCommie> wow, there are indeed many bug reports regarding fglrx
[21:39] <TobiasTheCommie> though none that seem to have anything to do with my problem...
[21:39] <TobiasTheCommie> sadly
[21:40] <flipstar> MasterScript: try with full path and autocomplete (tab)
[21:40] <Skiessi> I think the default channel should be set to #ubuntu+1 in testing versions of ubuntu and then set to #ubuntu after the release
[21:40] <MasterScript> flipstar: for example?
[21:41] <freexe> Cheers, that fixed my sound, I presume that I don't need to file a bug report or anything?
[21:41] <flipstar> MasterScript: $HOME/sc/sc_serv_1.9.8_Linux/sc_serv or wherever it is
[21:41] <flipstar> freexe: nope
[21:41] <MasterScript> /home/masterscript/shell/sc
[21:42] <flipstar> then type /home/masterscript/shell/sc/sc_serv
[21:42] <flipstar> use autocomplete to make sure its correct
[21:44] <flipstar> btw this is not a hardy topic -_-
[21:46] <MasterScript> :(
[21:46] <flipstar> nothing..?
[21:47] <MasterScript> i am tired
[21:47] <MasterScript> i dont know how to do it
[21:47] <MasterScript> shit
[21:48] <TobiasTheCommie> well, doesn't crash with vesa
[21:50] <nikolas_> anyone on the network manager bug?
[21:50] <borschty> nikolas_: 99%cpu usage?
[21:50] <nikolas_> I tailed the daemons.log and dumped it on a file,anyone willing to take a look?
[21:50] <nikolas_> yes
[21:50] <nikolas_> thats one symptom
[21:50] <MasterScript> flipstar: can u tech me step by step?
[21:51] <borschty> downgrade hal to 0.5.10+git20080301-1ubuntu2
[21:51] <flipstar> MasterScript: copy & paste /home/masterscript/shell/sc/sc_ into a terminal..
[21:51] <flipstar> then press tab
[21:51] <nikolas_> capable of scanning but not connecting to the network
[21:51] <borschty> maybe you need to downgrade libhal aswell
[21:51] <borschty> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/ there are the packages
[21:51] <nikolas_> any guidelines on that?
[21:51] <nikolas_> ok will try that
[21:51] <borschty> and wait till new hal packages will be released
[21:52] <tgelter> ummm...anyone else have cpu usage jump to around 50% per cpu when gnome-system-monitor is open?
[21:52] <mneptok> MasterScript: what is sc_serv?
[21:52] <nikolas_> any bugreport fied on it yet?
[21:52] <flipstar> mneptok: shoutcast server
[21:52] <borschty> 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2 might fix that issue, it will be on the archive in a few hours
[21:52] <borschty> yes
[21:52] <nikolas_> can I have the link ?
[21:53] <nikolas_> i want to contribute :P
[21:53] <MasterScript> flipstar: -bash: /home/masterscript/shell/sc/sc_serv: No such file or directory
[21:53] <hmuller> Is the 3-19 daily live iso the same as the beta?
[21:53] <borschty> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/204773
[21:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204773 in hal "Latest HAL breaks NetworkManager (dup-of: 204768)" [Undecided,New]
[21:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204768 in kde-guidance "[hardy] Latest HAL breaks guidance powermanager" [Undecided,In progress]
[21:53] <flipstar> MasterScript: you used tab this time ?
[21:53] <nikolas_> ok tnx a lot!
[21:54] <MasterScript> flipstar: i dont understand
[21:55] <flipstar> !tab | MasterScript
[21:55] <ubotu> MasterScript: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[21:57] <Angelus> guys
[21:57] <Angelus> any major bugs in kubuntu-beta?
[21:57] <Daisuke_Ido> it's beta, i'd say that's a given...  but check the release notes and such
[21:58] <hmuller> Angelus: Depends on your definition of major.
[21:58] <axisys> !apache
[21:58] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[21:58] <axisys> looking for steps on how to setup mod_perl with apache2?
[21:59] <Angelus> Daisuke_Ido: the things is that on its page there only 2 bugs listed, the microsoft bug wihich is bug #1 and the kde-4 bug
[21:59] <TobiasTheCommie> hm, oki, i need some help debugging this
[21:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[21:59] <flipstar> axisys: try in #apache
[21:59] <axisys> sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 <-- i did that
[21:59] <axisys> flipstar: ok thnx
[21:59] <TobiasTheCommie> Xorg[6540]: segfault at 58 rip 7f808e2bda16 rsp 7fffa73bb150 error 4 <- it is kinda hard to find this problem when all the numbers(except "error 4") changes, which they do
[21:59] <TobiasTheCommie> Xorg[6530]: segfault at 51 rip 7f2c73043a16 rsp 7fff8c2dc210 error 4 <- this is another crash
[22:00] <MasterScript> flipstar: yup
[22:01] <flipstar> MasterScript: is it executeable ?
[22:01] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, welcome to the joy of proprietary drivers.  Go forth and complain to amd
[22:02] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: hehe, yeah, trying to change to normal radeon drivers... but, tv-out is no worky for me on it, i have filed a bug report...
[22:02] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, there's a trick to that (I have it working on a mythtv box, but it's a bit hacky)
[22:02] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: i just wasn't sure if those registers were fglrx or if they were xorg...
[22:03] <MasterScript> flipstar: i see file .bash ....
[22:03] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: well, i can get tv-out to work with the opensource drivers in ntsc mode, but that gives me black and white output.. with pal mode the display is in colour, but it flickers..(or rather, moves rapidly from left to right)
[22:03] <flipstar> MasterScript: right click on that file and go to properties or so and check if its executeable
[22:04] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, http://nokia.cwillu.com/radeon.txt is what I run on logon (not all the options have xorg.conf equivilents, annoyingly)
[22:06] <MasterScript> flipstar: type:executeable
[22:06] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: well, i could give it a go with the xrandr i guess.... though i believe i have tried taht before :D
[22:06] <TobiasTheCommie> but, it does work for me in ntsc mode, as i said, though being in b/w(but that is because my telly is only pal)
[22:07] <flipstar> MasterScript: please ask in #ubuntu , i dont have gnome
[22:07] <TobiasTheCommie> still weird that the mouse buttons crash xorg.....
[22:07] <TobiasTheCommie> wait a minute...
[22:07] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, might still need some xorg.conf settings
[22:08] <cwillu>  Option "TVStandard" "ntsc",  Option "ForceTVOut" "on"
[22:08] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: no, my problem is not settings... it is the driver
[22:08] <TobiasTheCommie> i'm on an r530
[22:08] <TobiasTheCommie> :D
[22:08] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, no, I just mean for the open radeon driver
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> trust me, it isn't...
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> not an xorg setting...
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> the problem is the frquency on the tv out for my specific card.. in some way or another....
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> HAH
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> yes
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> the problem i am having is NOT fglrx
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> :D
[22:10] <TobiasTheCommie> it is evdev
[22:10] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: so you can relax now, i don't have an fglrx problem ;)
[22:11] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, did I mention that I like 9250's because I can put 4 in a machine and get an 8 seat computer if I screw around with evdev enough? :p
[22:12] <TobiasTheCommie> nope
[22:13] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: http://rafb.net/p/u2siEU52.html <- this is the crash, not fglrx :D
[22:13] <TobiasTheCommie> ehm, what was the link to the hardy bugs?
[22:13] <Brent^> alright I ubuntu 8.04 working (thanks cwillu) but my wireless card wont connect to my wireless network
[22:13] <TobiasTheCommie> launcpad something i think
[22:13] <cwillu> Brent^, you know what chipset?
[22:14] <Brent^> no but I can look that up... example?
[22:14] <Brent^> of what I'm looking for
[22:14] <TobiasTheCommie> found it
[22:14] <cwillu> lspci|grep -i net
[22:14] <insomninja> When I run screen my backspace key doesn't work, any ideas?
[22:15] <cwillu> (Brent^, that was for you)
[22:16] <Brent^> oh, alright :P
[22:16] <Brent^> sorry
[22:17] <TobiasTheCommie> insomninja: i seem to remember it is a screenrc problem
[22:17] <Brent^> I have to reboot to get to ubuntu :P I'm gonna go borrow my brothers computer while I'm waiting so I don't have to keep switching between
[22:17] <TobiasTheCommie> once my computer is rebooted i'll see if i can find it...
[22:18] <cwillu> k
[22:18] <marlun> My TAB completion is not working when using "aptitude install xxxTAB or with apt-get. What could be the cause of this?
[22:20] <Ergo^> guys
[22:21] <budmang> Anyone know how to get extended desktop working?
[22:21] <cwillu> budmang, depends on the videocard
[22:21] <TobiasTheCommie> insomninja: can't find anything in my screenrc file
[22:21] <TobiasTheCommie> damn
[22:21] <cwillu> although it's getting better
[22:21] <budmang> The screen resolution has been getting better with each update.
[22:21] <Ergo^> i have a problem with antoher pc, that has uses a wifi card - the networkmanager seems to use 100% of cpu when it tries connecting to AP
[22:21] <budmang> But I can only mirror currently, I want extended.
[22:21] <budmang> Intel GMA cwillu
[22:22] <cwillu> :/, the one chipset I haven't done this with yet
[22:22] <insomninja> TobiasTheCommie, thanks anyway
[22:22] <RAOF> budmang: It's pretty easy; there's just one real trick.
[22:22] <budmang> RAOF: what trick?
[22:23] <budmang> cwillu: I can test for you if you would like.
[22:23] <TobiasTheCommie> insomninja: try here http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dnr/the-almost-perfect-backspace-solution.txt
[22:23] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: disabled evdev, playing now :D
[22:23] <insomninja> thanks
[22:24] <RAOF> budmang: The trick is that, by default, X will only allocate a framebuffer as large as the screen you have plugged in, and it can't make it bigger.  You need to set the Virtual size in xorg.conf, or otherwise specify things in there.  This is a good reference: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[22:24] <Brent^> cwillu: it gave me Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8039 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 14)         Network controller: Intel Corperation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61)
[22:24] <Brent^> from typing in "lspci|grep -i net"
[22:25] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: yup, no more crashes.. :D
[22:25] <cwillu> Brent^, okay, intel chipset
[22:25] <Brent^> grr nevermeind
[22:25] <cwillu> unfortunately, that also falls under the category of things I don't know much about :p
[22:25] <Brent^> I fixed it
[22:26] <cwillu> oh, goodie :)
[22:26] <cwillu> I was under the impression intel wireless just worked :)
[22:26] <Brent^> I guess everytime I get a problem I just have to reboot to fix it :P
[22:27] <cwillu> there's almost always a way to do it without rebooting if its important, but learning all the ways isn't always worth the effort :p
[22:27] <Brent^> :P exactly
[22:28] <mneptok> Brent^: the 4965 should "just work" with Hardy
[22:28] <Brent^> it did
[22:28] <Brent^> It just needed a restart
[22:28] <budmang> sorry was disconnected I didnt get either replies!
[22:28] <mneptok> sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[22:28] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! I am reading wubi site and I am wondering what it actually does? It allows the user to install ubuntu from inside windows but does it work as a virtual machine or you can boot into ubuntu alone without windows presence? Thanks
[22:29] <cwillu> K_Dallas, it's standalone, but installed as a file in the windows filesystem instead of partitioning, afaik
[22:29] <budmang> cwillu: would I be able to test something on my card for extended desktop for you?
[22:30] <cwillu> ?
[22:30] <budmang> anyone know the extended desktop trick for an intel gma?
[22:30] <cwillu> oh, ya
[22:30] <cwillu> :p
[22:30] <cwillu> budmang, I'm working on it
[22:30] <cwillu> budmang, my laptop is intel, just hadn't played with it yet
[22:31] <[mbm]> budmang: you want the virtual desktop with screen panning?
[22:31] <budmang> Someone else had mentioned they knew a trick.  I do not need virtual desktops per say, really just another mointor with its own desktop. 2 real desktops no virtuals.
[22:32] <RAOF> budmang: The trick is that, by default, X will only allocate a framebuffer as large as the screen you have plugged in, and it can't make it bigger.  You need to set the Virtual size in xorg.conf, or otherwise specify things in there.  This is a good reference: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[22:32] <[mbm]> oh, dual monitor
[22:32] <cwillu> budmang, it needs a oneline adjustment in xorg.conf, I'm just working it out :p
[22:33] <K_Dallas> cwillu, thanks
[22:33] <budmang> cwillu: working it out now? or in the future?
[22:33] <cwillu> now
[22:34] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: i found a patch that fixes my problem, it is in upstream, but anyway i can get it into the final hardy before it launches?
[22:34] <budmang> I see, let me know when you come up with something.
[22:34] <budmang> Would be a life saver to have that :)
[22:34] <mi> can i do upgrade 7.10 to 8.04 with envy driver or i must first uninstall evny ?
[22:35] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, not sure; launchpad and the mailing lists would be your best bet
[22:35] <budmang> anyone have any TOUCHPAD tips? scrolling, click and drag
[22:36] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: oki, thanks
[22:36] <cwillu> budmang, what resolution are you running right now?
[22:36] <budmang> my laptop screen is 1440x900 my external vga lcd is 1280x1024
[22:37] <cwillu> budmang, are you attached to compiz?
[22:38] <budmang> its not needed, but nice.
[22:39] <cwillu> budmang, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, add the line Virtual 2720 1024 to the screen>device section
[22:39] <budmang> Virtual 2720 1024 ?
[22:39] <cwillu> yep
[22:39] <cwillu> 1440+1280
[22:45] <jessica> ok i have just updated and im getting error messages when i try and compile my wireless drivers
[22:50] <jessica> please help me with my wirelss
[22:50] <jessica> *wireless
[22:50] <jessica> i need it to work
[22:51] <J-_> !wireless | jessica
[22:51] <ubotu> jessica: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:52] <jessica> it dosnt have my device ive looked on the web
[22:53] <cwillu> heh
[22:54] <cwillu> my laptops max texturesize is 56 pixels smaller than my laptop's screen size + 800x600
[22:54] <cwillu> aka, I have to run at 640x480 on the external monitor if I want compiz :)
[22:54] <jessica> i have the realtek RTL8187B
[22:55] <jessica> it wont work i have tryed compiling the driver but it comes up with errors
[22:56] <RAOF> jessica: Why aure you compiling the drivers?
[22:56] <RAOF> jessica: And what Ubuntu version are you using, and what card do you have?
[22:56] <jessica> because there is no driver in the kernal
[22:57]  * mneptok whispers "kernel"
[22:57] <b47619> I gave up with trying get it working and will just us ea failsafe session
[22:57] <b47619> there is no drive rin the xolonal
[22:57] <b47619> there is no driver in the colonal
[22:58] <RAOF> jessica: So, what is your wireless card, where did you get the drivers from, etc
[22:59] <b47619> ndiswrapper.
[23:00] <jessica> my drivers came from http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/
[23:00] <alex__> I'm connect to the internet but, my wireless network-manager-kde is "saying connecting", anyone have this problem?
[23:02] <RAOF> jessica: So, what network card is this, and did you notice the line on that page saying "this may work with 2.6.24, but the only person who has tested said that it kernel panics"?
[23:03] <jessica> well basicly i have just upgraded from 7.10 and when i was upgrading someone told me to use the same driver
[23:03] <jessica> so i am and i get errors
[23:03] <b47619> what kernel version r we at?
[23:03] <RAOF> Right.  So, the first thing to check would be: is that driver really not in our kernel?
[23:03] <b47619> 2.16.24
[23:03] <b47619> ?
[23:04] <jessica> well ive been told its not in the kernal and it hasnt picked up my carnt and im on hardy now
[23:04] <jessica> im pretty sure its not in ther kernal
[23:06] <RAOF> jessica: Apparently you can use ndiswrapper to load the windows drivers.
[23:07] <jessica> do they not have a native linux driver
[23:07] <RAOF> Apparently not.
[23:08] <jessica> wow ok ill try ndiswapper
[23:08] <jessica> is it pre-install or do i have to download it and install it
[23:09] <jf> Flipped my screen upside down and now it does not start gnome anymore. Where does it save this setting?
[23:09] <jessica> its ok i done sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-common
[23:10] <ToHellWithGA> is it possible that a kernel module for my wireless chipset is causing my desktop to wifi at pitifully slow speeds?
[23:10] <ToHellWithGA> i can't think of any other reason that i can't get 300 kb per second on only this machine which had that rate on dapper drake
[23:11] <orkun> hey there. i fixed a bug using the most up 2 date alpha. compiz conflicts with EXA acceleration mode - which makes desktop effects kind of work but drastically effect scrolling speed at firefox and other gtk tools. how can i contribute?
[23:11] <budmang> cwillu: that works :)
[23:11] <budmang> How can I change the position of them :)
[23:11] <ToHellWithGA> the network card has an rt2500 chip.  i'm pretty sure ubuntu switched to a free/open source module some time after dapper
[23:11] <budmang> compiz disappeared :)
[23:11] <RAOF> orkun: How did you fix this?
[23:11] <ToHellWithGA> orkun: really really?
[23:12] <zcat[1]> Hmmmm password dialog works OK except afterward the screen stays dark.. I can drag one of the windows around and 'paint' wherever I drag it so it goes back to normal again
[23:12] <xnox> !openoffice
[23:12] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[23:12] <ToHellWithGA> i've been wondering wy firefox has been dead slow
[23:12] <RAOF> budmang: Yes.  Your card can't run compiz with a display size > 2048 in either dimension.
[23:12] <cwillu> budmang, you can change the virtual line to 2048 2048, and get compiz back
[23:12] <jessica> how do i install the driver on ndiswrapper
[23:13] <cwillu> budmang, but you'll have to run a lower resolution on at least one screen for it to still work okay
[23:13] <Dandel> Any ideas on how to fix the install where users don't have access to their home directories even though permissions state they do?
[23:13] <cwillu> budmang, you can use xrandr from a commandline to adjust which is where
[23:13] <orkun> yes. desktop effects were simply unusable. i preferred "metacity --replace". with my laptop the used acceleration method should not be EXA -  if i change to i810 or use XAA as the acceleration method(one line in xorg.conf) everything works smooth as ice. how can i contribute?
[23:13] <cwillu> orkun, swithc it back to exa, but add this line
[23:13] <RAOF> orkun: On the other hand, using XAA breaks video+compiz :)
[23:13] <Dandel> i just updated today and all of my users on the box i setup with it can't access the home directories i had configured before.
[23:14] <orkun> it is not like a performance upgrade or something. this issue made surfing almost impossible
[23:14] <orkun> really RAOF ? let me check
[23:14] <cwillu> orkun, Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
[23:14] <stefg> ToHellWithGA: i vaguely remember that on some box i set up in the past i had trouble with the rt2500 drivers as well. That was around feisty time and iirc the fix was to disable the faulty native driver, recompile the (then current) ndiswrapper and use the win-driver
[23:14] <cwillu> orkun, that'll fix your video+compiz and scrolling
[23:14] <ToHellWithGA> stefg: i'll give that a go
[23:14] <orkun> thanks let me try
[23:14] <thompa> anyone know how to get the automount feature to work
[23:14] <orkun> but its an intel not an ati
[23:15] <ToHellWithGA> stefg: i had that issue with feisty alpha as well.  iirc the driver was outright dropped during a transitional period so i downgraded to edgy :(
[23:15] <Dandel> oh nvr mind... somehow the permissions /home prevented access to sub directories within home.
[23:16] <ToHellWithGA> orkun: do you know how to reconfigure the video side of xorg?  it used to be something like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but that only gives me non-video options now
[23:16] <thompa> i wonder of permissions is the problem here too. I can't access my usb devices anymore
[23:16] <orkun> i used my old backup and copy pasted
[23:16] <thompa> alpha6 no problem also 64 beta of heron automounts my devices. not the beta
[23:17] <orkun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/204308 there you can find my configs
[23:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204308 in ubuntu "html rendering speed WAY decreased. conflict opera / firefox vs compiz" [Undecided,New]
[23:17] <orkun> and try to adjust them
[23:17] <orkun> cwillu, just curious. i can zoom etc using XAA right now
[23:17] <thompa> tons of updates coming now. one for hal
[23:17] <orkun> should this not be possible?
[23:18] <stefg> thompa: so you should have a look at dmesg, lshw and the syslog to get a clue what's going on
[23:18] <cwillu> orkun, it'll work, but you'll have issues with some things
[23:18] <thompa> stefg: ive been looking at dmesg
[23:18] <jimmygoon> What should I reinstall to find out why in god's name my laptop beeps at me every time I open close the lid
[23:18] <orkun> hmm k - let me check out your method. maybe ill come back
[23:18] <orkun> i add this to the section i adjust acceleration method?
[23:19] <thompa> stefg: the walkman  eg shows up as usb in computer
[23:19] <jessica> every time i try and do something on ndiswrapper i get this "Error: no ndiswrapper utils found!"
[23:19] <stefg> thompa: so are you able to mount manually ?
[23:19] <cwillu> orkun, I used to run xaa, I took out every option, and left it with just that migrationheuristic, works great
[23:20] <thompa> stefg: im going to try that again,
[23:20] <orkun> but it comes to the same spot where i set xaa right?
[23:20] <orkun> in my config :>
[23:20] <orkun> trying it out anyway brb :>
[23:20] <thompa> stefg: wierd because i can boot to the 64 version which has been upgraded and my usb devices show up
[23:21] <jf> Do someone know where the setting is for flipping back my X?
[23:21] <thompa> stefg: i cant find the device to mount
[23:21] <stefg> thompa: lsusb ?
[23:21] <thompa> it says only usb, and lots of unknowns
[23:21] <jessica> if you have just plugged it in try dmesg
[23:22] <thompa> stefg: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 054c:0325 Sony Corp.
[23:22] <thompa> that did it
[23:22] <jessica> wht did it
[23:22] <andymillar> hi guys, I`m seeing "kernel: [ 9560.954583] audit(1206140623.583:14): operation="inode_permission" request_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" name="/var/lib/named/etc/bind/named.conf" pid=10875 profile="/usr/sbin/named" namespace="default"" when trying to chroot named in Ubuntu 8.04 :/
[23:22] <andymillar> anyone seen that before?
[23:23] <thompa> stefg: lots of upgrades coming in for vital stuff
[23:23] <andymillar> google shows up loads for cups causing that
[23:23] <andymillar> just nothing for bind that i can see :(
[23:23] <thompa> stefg: so how do i mount that
[23:24] <thompa> stefg: i have hiddendevice0, soemthings amiss, going to reboot after upgrade
[23:26] <stefg> thompa: so if you just upgraded and possibly got a new kernel a reboot would be necessary. the lsusb command was only to check if the hardware is seen
[23:27] <thompa> stefg: this was from beta install
[23:27] <thompa> thats why its a regression for me to go back a kernel
[23:28] <JohnFlux> the dist upgrade to hardy heron crashed on me after installing everything
[23:28] <thompa> on my other partition i have 64 alpha upgraded and it pops up and loads window so i can drag and drop
[23:28] <JohnFlux> were there any further steps that it does?
[23:28] <JohnFlux> i've run  apt-get upgrade -f    to clean it up, anything else I should do?
[23:28] <JohnFlux> it seems okay
[23:29] <thompa> JohnFlux: try plugging stuff in
[23:30] <thompa> JohnFlux: like usb devices
[23:30] <JohnFlux> "system policy prevents mounting internal media"
[23:30] <JohnFlux> and asks for my password
[23:30] <JohnFlux> this is new
[23:30] <thompa> heh
[23:30] <JohnFlux> typing in my password work
[23:30] <JohnFlux> how do I turn that off :-D
[23:31] <Dandel> hmm... where's the system policy manager located at?
[23:31] <thompa> adnin authorizations maybe
[23:31] <JohnFlux> where's admin authorizations? :)
[23:32] <Dandel> would that explain why users can't login to the xsession?
[23:32] <thompa> *administration authorizations
[23:32] <thompa> apt-get update then upgrade for a while first
[23:32] <JohnFlux> Dandel: what do you mean specifically?
[23:32] <Dandel> nvr mind.
[23:33] <Dandel> it's somewhat workin now.
[23:33] <Dandel> but every click is a double click ><;
[23:34] <thompa> im going to reboot there were like 50 updates just now including hal
[23:34] <JohnFlux> thompa: sorry for being ignorant...  but where is 'administration authorizations' ?
[23:34] <JohnFlux> thompa: I have nothing like that in system settings
[23:34] <JohnFlux> thompa: and I can't see that elsewhere on the kmenu
[23:34] <sectech> I'm having a problem with network manager (hardy) and I need some help trying to debug it so I can submit a bug report.
[23:34] <JohnFlux> kde3, if that matters
[23:35] <Dandel> hmm... policy is broken... >< i think... upgrade from fiesty does not seem to prove very clean.
[23:35] <thompa> JohnFlux: in ubuntu heron beta from the menu
[23:35] <sectech> When it loads my CPU load goes right up to 100% and it won't connect to the network
[23:35] <RAOF> Dandel: Did you upgrade Feisty->Hardy without going through Gutsy?  That's not supported.
[23:35] <thompa> JohnFlux: i dont understand all the options though
[23:35] <JohnFlux> Dandel: hmm
[23:35] <Dandel> i was at 7.10
[23:35] <JohnFlux> Dandel: I went Feisty->Hardy, fwiw
[23:36] <sectech> I just did an update and that's when network manager broke
[23:36] <thompa> Dandel: no the authorizations for xsession should not be a problem there
[23:37] <thompa> JohnFlux: i have one clean install and it is there
[23:37] <JohnFlux> thompa: under what menu?
[23:37] <thompa> system admin
[23:37] <JohnFlux> thompa: system?
[23:37] <thompa> yes
[23:37] <thompa> there are only 3
[23:37] <JohnFlux> hmm
[23:38] <JohnFlux> thompa: maybe I need to install it
[23:38] <thompa> JohnFlux: two little keys icon
[23:38] <JohnFlux> or restart even
[23:38] <thompa> JohnFlux: no
[23:38] <JohnFlux> thompa: click on KMenu, then "System"   right?
[23:39] <thompa> JohnFlux: eh? gnome
[23:39] <JohnFlux> oh
[23:39] <JohnFlux> heh
[23:39] <Dandel> hmm... how do i reset the mouse settings to how gutsy had it... they keep going about making everything double click
[23:40] <thompa> JohnFlux: i thin my problem is there so this conversation helped me
[23:40] <thompa> usb issue that is
[23:40] <JohnFlux> thompa: cool
[23:40] <sectech> How can I install a previous version of a package?
[23:40] <thompa> time to reboot first
[23:41] <Tuv0k> sectech, synaptic, force version
[23:41] <sectech> and is there a way to tell what packages were updated during the last update?
[23:41] <flipstar> sectech: you could download it from archive.ubuntu.com
[23:41] <sectech> flipstar, does update manager keep a log of what was updated last?
[23:41] <flipstar> sectech: theres a log file in /var/log/dpkg.log or so
[23:41] <mneptok> remove the package, specify the previous version explicitly during a reinstall, pin the package
[23:41] <sectech> ok
[23:44] <insomninja> =_= x just restarted, I think a "usb 1-6: USB disconnect, address 3" message was left in dmesg at the time
[23:45] <luca> hi everyone
[23:45] <digitalfox> Has anyone on Hardy noticed a regression wherein extended mouse buttons don't work? the "buttons" option in the xorg.conf simply... doesn't work?
[23:45] <luca> am I the only one for which last update batch broke wireless networking?
[23:45] <luca> digitalfox: maybe it's related to the new xorg (7.3)
[23:46] <mesilliac> Can anyone tell me a website with some flash on it that should work correctly with the gnash plugin in firefox?
[23:46] <digitalfox> luca: I'm not sure how though. In any case, if the option really is gone, it shouldn't silently drop it.
[23:46] <JohnFlux> mesilliac: youtube
[23:46] <flipstar> mesilliac: youtube :)
[23:46] <flipstar> damn
[23:46] <luca> mesilliac: here not even youtube functions
[23:46] <mesilliac> oh really? I guess it's definitely not working correctly then :/
[23:46] <luca> uhm...new batch of updates
[23:47] <luca> among which, libhal
[23:47]  * luca hopes that wireless connection will be restored
[23:47] <digitalfox> it doesn't complain about the option line in question
[23:47] <luca> ok let's try it...
[23:47] <digitalfox> (**) Option "Buttons" "8" <--- in my Xorg.0.log
[23:47] <luca> probably gonna be kicked out, bye
[23:47] <noelferreira> cwillu, are you there? i resolved the problem of the avi. Hoewever i installed some updates and now my network applet manager (nm-applet) hangs up my system on the start up. i had to remove it from the startup sessions. you know any workaround?
[23:48] <thompa> i rebooted after updates and still can mount any devices
[23:48] <digitalfox> (**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 12 <--- it even says this later
[23:48] <luca> noelferreira: it's just the wireless
[23:48] <digitalfox> yet the button in question reports as button 2
[23:48] <digitalfox> (normally it reports as button 8
[23:48] <noelferreira> what should i do luca ?
[23:48] <luca> noelferreira: disable the wifi radio and it should function
[23:48] <cwillu> noelferreira, not yet, I've seen a few people with that problem, but I haven't run into it yet (updates are still downloading on my end)
[23:48] <thompa> is the default for authorizations for user
[23:49] <luca> if you have a cable, that is :-/
[23:49] <luca> ok gonna try wifi connection, wish me luck
[23:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> good luck
[23:49] <noelferreira> lol i don't have cable
[23:49] <flipstar> thompa: modprobe sd_mod then try again
[23:49] <cyclonut> Serious Hardy issues w/broadcom card. Have tried b43-cutter, to no avail
[23:49] <digitalfox> no one's run into this problem? :/
[23:49] <cyclonut> I have all the latest updates
[23:49] <cyclonut> can anyone give input?
[23:50] <alex_mayorga> !audio
[23:50] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[23:50] <digitalfox> I'd file a bug but I suspect I'm doing something wrong.
[23:50] <noelferreira> cwillu, so the solution is wait, right?
[23:50] <luca__> yes!
[23:50] <luca__> it functions
[23:51] <cwillu> noelferreira, well, probably :p
[23:51] <cwillu> noelferreira, I have no solution myself to give
[23:51] <luca__> noelferreira, re-update and NM will be fixed
[23:51] <luca__> can confirm this on my end :)
[23:51] <noelferreira> :)
[23:51] <noelferreira> ok
[23:52] <luca__> uff now hardy is almost perfect for me
[23:53] <luca__> flash, skype, wine, connection, and suspension...all work flawlessly
[23:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> \
[23:53] <cyclonut> any advice on getting this blasted broadcom working with hardy?
[23:53] <luca__> thx to today updates :D
[23:53] <JohnFlux> luca__: awesome :)
[23:53] <noelferreira> luca__, i have no updates
[23:53] <luca__> JohnFlux: yep :)
[23:53] <luca__> strange
[23:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> luca__, suspend works with compiz?
[23:53] <luca__> yes indeed
[23:53] <luca__> nvidia 169.12 here
[23:54] <luca__> by the way, rechecking suspend
[23:54] <luca__> cul
[23:54] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> luca__, it just worked after today's update or it's always working since hardy for u?
[23:54] <cwillu> cyclonut, b43-fwcutter
[23:54] <cwillu> cyclonut, hardy's the first release that actually works with broadcom without going through ndis for me
[23:54] <cyclonut> cwillu, tried installing that, no dice
[23:54] <Dandel> ok... this is weird... sound was working before upgrade, and now it does not detect any of my sound cards.
[23:54] <cwillu> cyclonut, did you run it
[23:55] <cwillu> ?
[23:55] <cyclonut> cwillu, hrmm, let me try again
[23:55] <cwillu> I carry a screwdriver :(
[23:56] <noelferreira> luca__ how can i re-update ?
[23:56] <cyclonut> I ran it, not sure what Im supposed to be doing with the output though
[23:56] <luca__> awesome - suspend functioned with no problems, internet again up
[23:56] <luca__> noelferreira: try to update the information
[23:56] <luca__> noelferreira: I updated less than 10 minutes ago
[23:56] <noelferreira> what information, luca__ ?
[23:57] <cyclonut> cwillu: apparently bcm43xx is installed by default.... is that an issue?
[23:57] <luca__> besides, if you are using local (not main) servers, maybe the updates have still to arrive
[23:57] <luca__> noelferreira: update-manager, then click on "update" :)
[23:57] <Brent^> I've seen videos on youtube of something called "beryl". Is there somewhere I can download this?
[23:57] <noelferreira> lol
[23:57] <cyclonut> Brent^, it is installed by default in hardy.
[23:57] <bazhang> !compiz
[23:57] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[23:57] <cwillu> cyclonut, odd
[23:57] <cyclonut> Brent^, err, compiz is
[23:57] <cwillu> cyclonut, could have sworn we were on b43
[23:58] <cwillu> cyclonut, old driver is really troublesome
[23:58] <cyclonut> cwillu, yes, can you do modprobe -l | grep bcm and tell me what comes up?
[23:58] <noelferreira> luca, i don't have. maybe i should try main server
[23:58] <cwillu> cyclonut, I only have rt2x00's and b43's
[23:58] <cwillu> let me check my blacklist
[23:58] <cyclonut> k
[23:59] <cwillu> cyclonut, upgrade or fresh install?
[23:59] <Brent^> how do I use compiz?
[23:59] <cyclonut> cwillu, well, I upgraded and got completely borked, so this is a fresh install
[23:59] <cwillu> cyclonut, my /etc/modules.d/blacklist has a blacklist bcm43xx line, which I didn't add (it has a boilerplate comment on it)
[23:59] <cyclonut> Brent^, you are using it. you might want to look for compiz settings manager
[23:59] <cyclonut> cwillu, mine has that line too, yet it still installed that driver.