[00:08] <j1mc> sommer: you here?
[01:24] <sommer> j1mc: hey hey hey
[01:24] <j1mc> hi sommer
[01:24] <j1mc> party time, excellent
[01:25] <sommer> heh, just woke up from a nap
[01:26] <j1mc> take your time
[01:26] <sommer> oh, it's on! jheheheh
[01:27] <sommer> have you had a chance to look throught the packaging guide?
[01:27] <j1mc> sommer: no, not really... sorry.
[01:27] <sommer> I've checked out the xubuntu branch so I think I should be able to walk you thorugh it :-)
[01:28] <j1mc> i hope so.
[01:28] <j1mc> :)  thanks for offering to help, btw
[01:28] <sommer> no problem, if you want to open it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[01:28] <sommer> there's some packages to install first
[01:28] <j1mc> ok
[01:29] <sommer> once you have it open go ahead and click the "Getting Started" link
[01:29] <j1mc> i'll let you know when i have the packages installed
[01:29] <j1mc> brb
[01:29] <sommer> cool
[01:31] <j1mc> done  i installed everything from the "packaging tools" section
[01:33] <sommer> okay, now you'll need to setup a pbuilder environment
[01:33] <sommer> the commands toward the bottom of the page: sudo pbuilder create --distribution hardy
[01:34] <sommer> basically a pbuilder is a chroot environment packed into a tarball, it's pretty slick
[01:35] <j1mc> cool... almost done
[01:36] <j1mc> uh, actually... not quite almost done
[01:36] <sommer> did the hardy part work?
[01:36] <j1mc> yeah
[01:36] <j1mc> it's working, just retrieving a bunch of stuff
[01:37] <j1mc> it will be a few minutes... it's going in alpha order, and it is on the "L's" right now
[01:37] <sommer> good, I was thinking you needed to install another package, but I guess not, coolness
[01:38] <sommer> ya, the creation process can take a while
[01:38] <sommer> j1mc: do you have a gpg key ?
[01:39] <j1mc> yeah
[01:39] <sommer> cool
[01:39] <j1mc> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x571FF83D&op=index
[01:39] <j1mc> that's it, right?
[01:40] <sommer> beauty, yep
[01:40] <j1mc> OpenPGP keys:    571FF83D
[01:40] <j1mc> i'm not sure if i've ever used it.  it's been a long time since i set it up, and it probably wasn't on this machine.
[01:41] <j1mc> i should know the password, though, if i need to use it.
[01:41] <sommer> I think it just needs to be in the keyring, it's really only needed to sign the package
[01:41] <j1mc> ok
[01:41] <sommer> but sicne someone else needs to upload it they'll use their key anyway
[01:42] <j1mc> pbuilder stuff is done
[01:43] <sommer> okay, click on the "Packagingguide/Basic" link at the bottom
[01:44] <sommer> you can read through the explanation of the files if you'd like, but the import instructions are under the "Building the Source Package" heading
[01:44] <sommer> important even
[01:44] <j1mc> ok
[01:45] <sommer> now add a change log entry by doing: debchange -i
[01:45]  * j1mc moves to the root of my xubuntu-hardy branch
[01:45] <j1mc> do i enter debuild -s?
[01:46] <j1mc> (capital S)
[01:46] <sommer> not yet, you need to create a changelog entry first, this will increment the package number
[01:46] <j1mc> ok
[01:46] <sommer> that part is explained earlier in the section, doing it by hand anyway
[01:46] <sommer> I like the debchange -i command, quick and clean :)
[01:47] <j1mc> debchange: debian/changelog unmodified; exiting.
[01:47] <j1mc> should i have entered stuff in there?
[01:47] <sommer> did it open an editor?
[01:47] <j1mc> yeah
[01:48] <sommer> ah, yep... place a comment after the "*"
[01:48] <j1mc> ok
[01:49] <sommer> okay, now do the debuild -S -kgpgkey
[01:49] <j1mc> http://pastebin.ca/951144
[01:49] <j1mc> that is what was in there already
[01:50] <sommer> did it create a new entry for you?
[01:50] <sommer> above that entry?
[01:51] <j1mc> yeah
[01:51] <j1mc> i just entered a short thanks...
[01:51] <sommer> if not, try doing export DEBEMAIL=youremail export DEBFULLNAME=yourname
[01:51] <j1mc> do i have to do anything else?
[01:52] <j1mc> yeah, my info was in there
[01:52] <sommer> cool, nope just save the file
[01:52] <j1mc> ok
[01:52] <j1mc> done
[01:52] <j1mc> now debuild -S -kgpgkey  ?
[01:52] <sommer> ya, you may not need the -k, but for me if I don't add it, it won't use my key to sign the package
[01:53] <sommer> you can go ahead and try without, you can always try again with :-)
[01:53] <sommer> but ya now do a debuild -S
[01:53] <j1mc> hm... http://pastebin.ca/951147
[01:54] <sommer> sorry replace gpgkey with your key
[01:55] <sommer> so it'll be: debuild -S -k571FF83D
[01:56] <j1mc> hm, that still didn't work.
[01:56] <sommer> did it give you an error?
[01:56] <j1mc> might it be that i don't have that key present on this machine?
[01:56] <j1mc> yeah
[01:57] <sommer> ya, probably is, can you place it in .gnupg?
[01:57] <j1mc> http://pastebin.ca/951150
[01:57] <sommer> if not, it's probably fine to just create an unsigned package
[01:58] <sommer> ah, one more package you'll need apt-get install cdbs
[01:58] <j1mc> would i place it in here?  http://pastebin.ca/951154
[01:59] <sommer> ya, but I forget the commands
[01:59] <j1mc> ah, installing that cdbs package helped
[02:00] <j1mc> it is working  :)  dpkg-source: building xubuntu-docs in xubuntu-docs_8.04.1ubuntu1.tar.gz
[02:01] <sommer> cool, if you want to sign the package here's the gpg link:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[02:01] <sommer> ya the package should be in ../*.dsc
[02:02] <sommer> it's usually best to test it: sudo pbuilder build *.dsc
[02:02] <j1mc> full output: http://pastebin.ca/951161
[02:02] <sommer> cool, yep everything worked... just not signed
[02:03] <sommer> should be okay
[02:03] <j1mc> if i wanted to sign the package, i could redo the steps we've done (later) following the wiki above?
[02:04] <j1mc> (to sign the package)
[02:04] <sommer> ya, once you have the key installed, rebuild using: debuild -S -kgpgkey
[02:04] <sommer> it should then ask you the key password at the end of the build process
[02:04] <j1mc> ok
[02:05] <j1mc> is the package built now, though?
[02:05] <j1mc> what would be the next step?
[02:05] <sommer> have you done the pbuilder?
[02:05] <j1mc> no
[02:05] <sommer> sudo pbuilder build *.dsc
[02:06] <j1mc> sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc
[02:06] <j1mc> is that right?  w the "/" in there?
[02:06] <sommer> heh... that too, depending on which directory you're in
[02:06] <j1mc> i will try it with the /
[02:07] <sommer> you should see xubuntu-docs_8.04.1ubuntu1.dsc or something similar
[02:07] <sommer> if not in your current directory then in ../
[02:08] <j1mc> ok... i see it in ../  it's doing some work now... downloading stuff.
[02:08] <j1mc> should be just a minute or two more
[02:09] <sommer> cool, ya it'll take some time
[02:10] <sommer> I gotta take the dog out, be back in a sec
[02:10] <j1mc> ok
[02:12] <sommer> I'm back
[02:12] <sommer> still building?
[02:14] <j1mc> just finished
[02:14] <j1mc> no errors...
[02:15] <sommer> cool, the .deb should be in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/
[02:15] <sommer> you can install it with sudo dpkg -i
[02:17] <j1mc> schwing!
[02:17] <j1mc> haha
[02:17] <j1mc> this rocks
[02:17] <sommer> party!
[02:17] <j1mc> haha
[02:17] <j1mc> ok... so now what do i do?  i think i'll want to rebuild that package as signed
[02:17] <sommer> so I guess the next step is to file a bug asking for someone to upload it, and attache the .dsc file to the bug
[02:18] <sommer> or, ya rebuilding works :-)
[02:18] <sommer> schaaaawing... heh
[02:18] <j1mc> ok... the .dsc file from my /var/cache/pbuilder/result folder?
[02:18] <j1mc> or the first one?
[02:19] <sommer> sure, I think it's just a copy of the ../ one
[02:19] <sommer> either or
[02:19] <j1mc> ok
[02:19] <j1mc> awesome.
[02:19] <j1mc> do i file the bug against the xubuntu-docs package?
[02:19] <sommer> I think mdke filed a bug for the ubuntu-docs package a while back, but I can't seem to find it
[02:22] <j1mc> hm...
[02:22] <j1mc> i can't find it either
[02:24] <sommer> ya, I guess just file it under xubuntu-docs, then you might ask in #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu about the next step
[02:24] <dsas> bug 192488 perhaps
[02:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192488 in ubuntu-docs "Please update ubuntu-docs from bzr" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192488
[02:25] <sommer> boom! that's the one I was thinking of :-)
[02:25] <sommer> dsas: thanks
[02:25] <j1mc> should i reopen that?
[02:25] <j1mc> it's shown as fixed-released
[02:26] <sommer> I'd create a new one, since it's a different package
[02:26] <sommer> but you could follow that format
[02:27] <sommer> Subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors... I think is what calls the attention of those needed to update the pacakge
[02:27] <j1mc> and still attache the .dsc file?  matthew didn't do that
[02:27] <sommer> umm... I don't think it'll hurt
[02:28] <sommer> it'll show that it at least build :-)
[02:28] <j1mc> so they'll build it... i just test it on my own machine to make sure before asking them to do it?
[02:28] <sommer> yep, I think that's the process
[02:28] <j1mc> ok.  cool.
[02:28] <j1mc> thanks so much for your help.
[02:29] <sommer> not a problem
[02:29] <j1mc> party on... have a good evening
[02:29] <sommer> heh, party on j1mc
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #204501 in ubuntu-doc "Please update Xubuntu docs from bzr" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204501
[15:01] <ubotu> New bug: #204666 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Please upload ubuntu-docs 8.03.3 from bzr" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204666
[21:12] <nijaba> Hello, does anyone know if doc.ubuntu.com has been updated since the 19th?
[21:13] <nijaba> I know that sommer has done some excellent update of the server guide but I don't see them reflected yet
[21:30] <Bonzodog> mdke
[21:30] <Bonzodog> you here
[21:56] <Bonzodog> right, i have something to say
[21:57] <Bonzodog> Yes, the UDSF is shutting down.
[21:57] <Bonzodog> but NOT because of you lot
[21:57] <Bonzodog> mark DID ask us (nicely) to shut it down
[21:57] <Bonzodog> but we were getting short on manpower
[21:58] <Bonzodog> and other facilities to run it, anyway
[21:58] <Bonzodog> however, we DO  now have the Ubuntu Gaming Arena, which has Marks *full Blessing
[21:59] <Bonzodog> and it's proven to be a runaway success
[21:59] <jpatrick> Bonzodog: can you please tell me what UDSF is?
[22:00] <Bonzodog> so we decided that for the greater sanity of everybody that the UDSF had it's day, and it's server space and bandwidth is going to expanding the UGA as the main face of Gaming facilities in Ubuntu
[22:00] <Bonzodog> jpatrick: the UDSF is (until the end of the month) the Ubuntu Document Storage Facility
[22:01] <jpatrick> ah, thanks :)
[22:01] <Bonzodog> which was being used to document how-to's from the forums
[22:01] <Bonzodog> a lot of which are fast becoming out-moded anyway
[22:02] <Bonzodog> due to the increasing automation in ubuntu
[22:08] <sommer> Bonzodog: have you considered submitting the content to the System docs?
[22:09] <sommer> Bonzodog: or adding it to the help.ubuntu.com wiki?
[22:15] <sommer> Bonzodog: also is the UGA a game server? or something else?
[22:20] <Bonzodog> sommer: I canot use the moin moin wiki...it's torture
[22:20] <Bonzodog> and it's slow
[22:20] <Bonzodog> like really slow
[22:21] <Bonzodog> considering the servers are just a few miles from me
[22:21] <sommer> ya, I can understand that
[22:22] <Bonzodog> the UGA is a gaming Wiki, yes, but it also can host massive online gaming
[22:22] <sommer> do you have plans for the content?  just curouis... I've never been to the site
[22:22] <Bonzodog> I really do not like mon moin
[22:22] <Bonzodog> well, i'm not sure the content would be of any ise to you lot
[22:23] <sommer> well if it helps people to accomplish what they want to do with Ubuntu, I'd think it'd at least be worth looking through :-)
[22:24] <sommer> what form is the conent in now?  html, text...
[22:28] <Bonzodog> text
[22:28] <Bonzodog> for dokuwiki
[22:29] <Bonzodog> dokuwiki is very efficient
[22:29] <Bonzodog> the UGA uses it as well
[22:29] <Bonzodog> scales up well, and is very fast
[22:29] <Bonzodog> anyways, i have to go
[22:30] <Bonzodog> later
[22:30] <sommer> what kind of topics does it cover?  I must admit I'm really only interested in server type stuff :)
[22:30] <sommer> doh