[00:00] <Bisclaveret> well i'm completely new to operating in a unix system so thats new to me :p i was wondering where apt was putting the files.
[00:00] <Lokian> Well I installed the second card so the machine can work as firewall of sorts, so how would I configure it to pass traffic from my router to to hub on my LAN
[00:00] <Bisclaveret> TheSheep: complete text dump of the entire operation: http://pastebin.com/m626b2906
[00:01] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: apt puts them in /usr/lib/angband most likely, but since you're compiling your own version, it will go to /usr/local instead of /usr
[00:02] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: try ./configure --with-libpath=/usr/local/lib/angband
[00:03] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: then try to run /usr/local/bin/angband
[00:12] <Bisclaveret> they think the problem is something from fiesty that prints the command not found string thats preventing the executable from running
[00:13] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: have you tried running '/usr/local/bin/angband' ?
[00:13] <Lokian> Ok, I setup both network cards with the same settings, since only one is connected, and I'm not sure which one that is, but I still can't connect to anything.
[00:14] <TheSheep> Lokian: disable one of them
[00:14] <Lokian> TheSheep: How do I do that?
[00:14] <TheSheep> Lokian: there are checkboxes next to them in the config
[00:14] <Lokian> TheSheep:  Ok, I thought that might be their function. Thanks.
[00:35] <Bisclaveret> and now firefox just crashed.
[00:35] <Bisclaveret> how do i kill it?
[00:36] <TheSheep> killall -9 firefox
[00:36] <TheSheep> or use the system->system monitor
[00:36] <Bisclaveret> i manage to crash the stablest things, it's just me :p
[00:37] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: did that command work?
[00:37] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: the one with /usr/local?
[00:42] <Lokian1> How/where do I get a taskbar for xubuntu like windows has?
[00:42] <Bisclaveret> no, apparently i'l need to ./configure --with-setgid=games --with-libpath=/usr/local/games/lib/angband
[00:43] <Bisclaveret> according to the developer
[00:43] <TheSheep> Lokian: right click on a panel, select 'add item', select taskbar plugin from the list
[00:44] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: edit /etc/environment and add /usr/local/bin to your PATH, then relog
[00:46] <Lokian1> TheSheep: Ok, thanks again!
[00:47] <Bisclaveret> ah, is that how linux does path= statements?
[00:48] <Sl4y3r> can someone help me out for a minute
[00:49] <Sl4y3r> ive put xubuntu on two computers
[00:49] <Sl4y3r> one thats pretty old
[00:49] <Sl4y3r> and one thats farely new
[00:49] <Sl4y3r> and it runs smoother and faster on the older one
[00:49] <Sl4y3r> why?
[00:50] <Sl4y3r> ?
[00:51] <TheSheep> Sl4y3r: one possibility is that the newer one has a graphics card that is poorly supported, and it fell back to the generic "vesa" driver
[00:51] <TheSheep> Sl4y3r: which is slow
[00:52] <Sl4y3r> yeah
[00:52] <Sl4y3r> but its wierd
[00:52] <Lokian1> TheSheep:Um, what is a panel?
[00:52] <Sl4y3r> he has the same modem i do from sbc
[00:53] <Sl4y3r> a motorola
[00:53] <Sl4y3r> and his network is slower too
[00:53] <TheSheep> Sl4y3r: Lokian1 the strips at the top and bottom of your screen
[00:53] <Sl4y3r> like firefox takes forever to load
[00:53] <Bisclaveret> for some reason xubuntu fell back to 'intel' for mine because 'i810' doesn't work right in terminal. i get multiple colorstripes
[00:53] <Lokian1> TheSheep: I don't have any strips, just a desktop with a few icons
[00:53] <Sl4y3r> lokianl?
[00:53] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: I believe that 'intel' is a newer driver than 'i810'
[00:54] <TheSheep> Lokian1: can you press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel' in there, then press enter?
[00:54] <Sl4y3r> o
[00:55] <Bisclaveret> it says 'intel' is experimental
[00:55] <Lokian1> TheSheep: Ok, that worked! How can I get it to stay like that when I log in again thou?
[00:55] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: yes, and also newer :)
[00:55] <TheSheep> Lokian1: save your session when logging out
[00:55] <TheSheep> Lokian1: it will be remembered
[00:56] <Lokian1> TheSheep: Ok, how do I save my session?
[00:56] <TheSheep> Lokian1: be sure to uncheck that 'save session' checkbox on next logout though, weird things somethimes happen when you save session every time
[00:56] <Bisclaveret> we need to start buying TheSheep shots at this point
[00:56] <TheSheep> Lokian1: when you log out, there is a window with a checkbox for that
[00:56] <Lokian1> TheSheep: OK, thank you very much!
[00:56] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: did you add  /usr/local/bin to your PATH?
[00:57] <TheSheep> Sl4y3r: can you check what graphics card you have on the slow computer?
[00:57] <Radlager> hi all
[00:57] <TheSheep> hi Radlager
[00:57] <Sl4y3r> its at my dads
[00:58] <Radlager> is where any way to switch (x)ubunutu to iso8859-x?
[00:58] <Bisclaveret> TheSheep: it's already added
[00:58] <Bisclaveret> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"
[00:58] <TheSheep> Radlager: in your language preferences
[00:59] <TheSheep> Radlager: there should be two versions of your locale, one with -utf8 and one without
[00:59] <TheSheep> Radlager: but I'd encourage using utf8
[00:59] <Radlager> TheSheep: I only can find utf-8 and utf-8 with euro symbol where
[01:00] <TheSheep> Radlager: which locale?
[01:00] <Radlager> yes utf-8 would be fine, if the rest of the world would use it, and finally somebody would _really_ utf-ing the console
[01:00] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: is there 'angband' binary in /usr/local/bin?
[01:00] <Radlager> I would like to have ISO-8859-1 or 15 (western europe, with or without euro symbol)
[01:00] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: or is it in /usr/local/angband/bin ?
[01:01] <TheSheep> Radlager: if you mean the terminal emulator, it supports utf great. if you mean utf-ing the text mode, it's not really possible without framebuffer enabled
[01:02] <TheSheep> Radlager: what language/locale do you use?
[01:02] <Radlager> TheSheep: utf-8 with euro
[01:02] <TheSheep> Radlager: that's a strange language
[01:03] <TheSheep> Radlager: most people would speak English or something
[01:03] <Radlager> actually I am more on the FreeBSD side, but the (x)ubuntu guys are doing a great job and it's the perfect system for my wife
[01:03] <Radlager> TheSheep: I dont speak utf-8 :) actually most of the time German
[01:04] <Bisclaveret> lol
[01:04] <Radlager> which is the problem, we have some funny symbols like ö ä ü
[01:04] <TheSheep> Radlager: ok, and there is no de_DE locale on your system?
[01:05] <Sl4y3r> i have 2 computers running the same xubuntu kernel and ones alot slower
[01:05] <Sl4y3r> could it be caused from the other one needing a non-generic kernel?
[01:05] <Radlager> TheSheep: yes of course: de_DE.utf-8 (@ euro)
[01:05] <TheSheep> Sl4y3r: you already said that, and yes, a slow graphics card driver would make everything seem slow
[01:06] <TheSheep> Radlager: what do you get from 'locale -a'
[01:06] <Sl4y3r> dont think its the graphics card or i wouldnt have asked a second question
[01:06] <TheSheep> Sl4y3r: there are also other possibilities, but I can't think of anything especially likely
[01:06] <Bisclaveret> long live the esszet
[01:06] <TheSheep> Sl4y3r: you could check in the system monitor if there is some process taking up the cpu
[01:07] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: how did you know? :P
[01:07] <Radlager> TheSheep: de_DE.utf-8 something, there is no GUI way to get rid of the utf-8, I was just wondering, if there is an non gui way
[01:07] <TheSheep> Radlager: yes, 'export LANG=de_DE' in /etc/environ, *provided* that you have that locale installed
[01:08] <Bisclaveret> TheSheep: i was born in Stuttgart but I don't know the language half-well :p
[01:08] <Radlager> TheSheep: doesn't work, I found that position already
[01:08] <TheSheep> Radlager: does 'locale -a' show it?
[01:09] <keb> a there it is: ß
[01:09] <Radlager> de_De would only change the behavior of things like three and half liter are in Germany written as 3,5 (not 3.5)
[01:09] <Radlager> it is still a utf-8 machine, with iso8859 it doesn't work
[01:10] <TheSheep> Radlager: that's LC_NUMERIC
[01:10] <Radlager> of course I could live with utf-8, but if I log into a remote ISO machine, I am not able to use German Umlaute
[01:10] <TheSheep> RedHeron: LANG will change the encoding
[01:11] <RedHeron> Huh?
[01:11] <TheSheep> RedHeron: that's not true, if the remote machine is configured properly ssh will translate the encodings
[01:11] <Radlager> TheSheep: yes an LC_MONETARY etc also programs with NLS suddenly talk German to me, but it is a utf-8 machine still
[01:11] <RedHeron> You're not talking to me, then.
[01:12] <TheSheep> RedHeron: ah, sorry
[01:12] <RedHeron> np, just thought I'd find out who was beeping me. ;-)
[01:12] <TheSheep> Radlager: you can change encoding temporarily for one program by running 'export LANG=de_DE' before running that program
[01:13] <TheSheep> Radlager: for exmaple, 'export LANG=de_DE; xterm' will start xterm in iso-8859-1 mode
[01:14] <Radlager> TheSheep: yes, but it is all time a work around, actually the most comfortable way is to use putty, where you can easily save the the charset and used font
[01:14] <TheSheep> Radlager: but all this will only work if you actually have that locale installed, so can you tell me already if you do?
[01:15] <TheSheep> Radlager: you can also edit the .dmrc file in your home directory
[01:15] <Radlager> TheSheep: iI most get downstairs for it to check and pick up another glas of wine on the way, brb
[01:15] <Radlager> .dmrc ???
[01:15] <TheSheep> Radlager: it's where the default settings from your login are stored
[01:16] <Radlager> dmrc first hit on google ... Delhi Metro Rail Corporation Ltd ... shit
[01:16] <TheSheep> Radlager: just edit that file with a text editor, it should be evident
[01:22] <Lokian> Say, is there a website that has video guides to using Ubuntu and linux in general?
[01:23] <utf8-Radlager> TheSheep, okay on my system are only de_DE locaes in /usr/lib/locale/
[01:23] <TheSheep> Lokian: not sure about video, but there is the ubuntu desktop guide
[01:24] <TheSheep> utf8-Radlager: does 'locale -a' show them?
[01:24] <keb> Lokian : http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/roblimos_downloading_ubuntu_tutorial
[01:25] <Lokian> keb: Thanks!
[01:25] <keb> np
[01:26] <TheSheep> good night everyone
[01:26] <keb> ni
[01:26] <utf8-Radlager> TheSheep, I think I have it: /var/lib/locales/supported.d/de
[01:27] <utf8-Radlager> echo "de_DE@euro ISO-8859-15" >> /var/lib/locales/supported.d/de && dpkg-reconfigure locales
[01:28] <utf8-Radlager> brb, I am checking
[01:32] <Radlager> it works!
[01:33] <Radlager> thanks a lot TheSheep
[02:05] <douglas> hello
[02:23] <douglas> I just installed xubuntu
[02:23] <douglas> but i have no sound
[02:23] <douglas> any ideas
[02:42] <Dougy> hey
[02:42] <Dougy> i have xubuntu fresh install on an Acer Aspire 7720-6569
[02:42] <Dougy> I have no sound at all
[02:42] <Dougy> Any idea?
[02:47] <Dougy> :(
[02:54] <Dougy> Nobody?
[03:11] <Dougy> Hello?
[03:18] <Lokian__> How do I enable XDMCP in xubuntu?
[03:29] <Lokian__> nevermind
[03:29] <Lokian__> Anyone home?
[03:51] <Lokian__> How do I figure out my IP?
[04:08] <Lokian___> Oh no, it's...it's...the Colnel!
[05:57] <andrew[andrboot]> Hi; anyone able to help me get ATI/DRI support with a HD3850 ?
[05:58] <andrew[andrboot]> dual screen support... ?
[06:59] <Lokian> How do I set up my xubuntu machine to allow traffic to pass thru it?
[07:00] <zoredache> !firestarter | Lokian
[07:00] <ubotu> Lokian: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:00] <zoredache> of course personally I prefer using firehol, but firestarter is the more popular choice
[07:01] <Lokian> But I don't want to use a firewall, I'm using moblock
[07:05] <zoredache> well you will need to use at least parts of the netfilter infrastructure to get get things going
[07:05] <Lokian> ok
[07:06] <zoredache> read through the howto, and/or look up iptables/netfilter on google
[07:06] <Lokian> ok thanks
[08:02] <jandark> Hi , when I restart my system time change :( anybody know why that happened ?
[08:18] <slimjimflim> jandark you might not have a cmos battery or it might be dead
[08:56] <Lokian> Anyone home?
[10:30] <Jandark> slimjimflim, mmm just houres changed and days did not change
[10:53] <Dougy> hey
[10:53] <Dougy> i have an xubuntu laptop but there is no sound
[10:53] <Dougy> any ideas
[10:54] <cody-somerville> Dougal, What version of Xubuntu?
[10:54] <cody-somerville> *Dougy
[10:55] <Dougy> Uhm
[10:55] <Dougy> The latest one off the site
[10:56] <Dougy> 7.10
[10:56] <Dougy> :)
[10:57] <cody-somerville> Dougy, Internal or external speakers?
[10:57] <Dougy> internal
[10:57] <Dougy> on a laptop
[10:58] <cody-somerville> Can you paste the output of lsmod snd?
[10:58] <cody-somerville> err..
[10:58] <cody-somerville> lsmod | grep snd
[10:59] <Dougy> i booted into livecd to reload it
[10:59] <Dougy> will doing it via lcd work
[10:59] <Dougy> live cd
[11:00] <cody-somerville> The live cd works fine?
[11:00] <Dougy> no sound
[11:00] <Dougy> but i mean will it affect the output whether its booted after installed to hdd
[11:00] <Dougy> or if i do it off of livecd it'll give same output (lsmod | grep snd)
[11:00] <cody-somerville> If it doesn't work on the live it won't magically work when installed
[11:00] <cody-somerville> Yes, it will give the same output
[11:00] <Dougy> www.pastebin.com/m1ea3a80c
[11:01] <cody-somerville> Says that post doesn't exist
[11:01] <Dougy> http://pastebin.com/m1ea3a80c
[11:01] <Dougy> even
[11:01] <Dougy> yeah, try second url
[11:01] <Dougy> imma reload it now so i can get it to work
[11:02] <cody-somerville> Try changing the sound system from alsa to oss
[11:02] <Dougy> well, have  a fresh bas
[11:02] <Dougy> e
[11:02] <Dougy> how would i do that
[11:02] <cody-somerville> System > Preferences > Sound
[11:03] <Dougy> system -> pref doesnt exist
[11:03] <cody-somerville> Are you sure?
[11:03] <Dougy> Yes. There's the one drop down, Applications
[11:03] <Dougy> under System
[11:03] <Dougy> there is no preferences
[11:03] <cody-somerville> Oh, sorry
[11:04] <cody-somerville> lol
[11:04] <cody-somerville> Open up the mixer
[11:04] <cody-somerville> And select the device from the menu
[11:04] <Dougy> settings -> mixer?
[11:04] <Dougy> open
[11:05] <cody-somerville> You can select the device in there
[11:05] <Dougy> Ok, I opened it, and chose device #0: HDA Intel
[11:05] <Dougy> and its Master,0
[11:07]  * Dougy just does the install
[11:07] <Dougy> ill tweak after install
[11:07] <Dougy> cody-somerville, what do i do after i choose it
[11:08] <cody-somerville> Try increasing the volume?
[11:08] <cody-somerville> Play the music in the examples file
[11:09] <Dougy> doesn't work
[11:09] <cody-somerville> What is the laptop model?
[11:10] <Dougy> Acer Aspire 7720-6569
[11:15] <Dougy> :)
[11:19] <Dougy> cody-somerville, any further ideas
[11:20] <cody-somerville> Dougy, no sorry
[11:20] <cody-somerville> It should work
[11:20] <Dougy> Should, but doesn't :(
[11:21] <Dougy> Anyone else have any ideas?
[11:21] <Dougy> cody-somerville: is there an easy way to switch to oss and try it?
[11:23] <cody-somerville> What kind of sound card does the laptop?
[11:27] <Dougy> sec
[11:28] <Dougy> dont know
[11:28] <Dougy> googling
[11:29] <cody-somerville> !sound | Dougy
[11:29] <ubotu> Dougy: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:30] <Dougy> ty
[11:31] <Dougy> my laptop isnt on their friggin site
[11:31] <Dougy> wtf
[11:32] <Dougy> there is no file ->
[11:32] <Dougy> wtf
[11:33] <Dougy> cody-somerville, lspci says its an Intel Corporation 82801 HD audio
[11:34] <Dougy> cody-somerville, http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Intel I'm an ICH8
[11:34] <Dougy> there is none there.
[11:37] <cody-somerville> Dougy, http://linuxtechie.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/getting-intel-ich8-family-rev-3-sound-card-to-work-in-gutsy/
[11:39] <cody-somerville> Dougal, Enable backports in the Software Sources and install the linux-backports-modules-generic package
[11:39] <cody-somerville> *Dougy
[11:39]  * Dougy tries
[11:40]  * Dougy reboots laptop
[11:42] <Dougy> k
[11:42] <Dougy> ill test in a while
[12:10] <Dougy> cody-somerville, trying now
[12:16] <Dougy> nope
[12:19] <horvatj73> may anyone tell me if it is possible
[12:19] <horvatj73> to get an xubuntu working
[12:19] <horvatj73> without any window manager
[12:19] <horvatj73> just X11
[12:20] <ablomen> sure, but that kinda defeats the purpose of xubuntu
[12:20] <Dougy> Lol.
[12:20] <horvatj73> so to say: a minimized version for an embedded device...
[12:20] <Dougy> ablomen, do you have any idea about my issue
[12:20] <ablomen> Dougy, no idea sorry, never had problems with sound myself
[12:20] <Dougy> :
[12:21] <Dougy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller
[12:21] <Dougy> i'm trying that
[12:21] <ablomen> horvatj73, just use debian for that
[12:21] <ablomen> or ubuntu server edition if you really want the ubuntu repo's
[12:22] <ablomen> Dougy, lol ehm its a pretty big list, you have to be more specific
[12:22] <horvatj73> okay, I'll give it a try (ubuntu server ed)
[12:23] <Dougy> ablomen, i tried #2
[12:23] <Dougy> the build alsa
[12:23] <Dougy> now the volume control has like 7 options instead of three
[12:23] <Dougy> so that must've worked
[12:24] <ablomen> but?
[12:24] <Dougy> no sound
[12:24] <ablomen> hmm well i really have no idea sorry
[12:24] <ablomen> you could try asking in #ubuntu
[12:25] <ablomen> there are a "few" more people there ;)
[12:25] <Dougy> got one more idea.
[12:25] <Dougy> then i will
[12:27] <Dougy> got it
[12:27] <Dougy> :)
[12:28] <Dougy> for an acer laptop when there is no sound
[12:28] <Dougy> edit /etcin /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:28] <Dougy> add
[12:28] <Dougy> options snd-hda-intel model=acer
[12:28] <Dougy> :)
[12:29] <TrioTorus> hi all, congrats on the nice xubuntu distro. This has been asked before I'm sure, but can somebody give me an update on when thunar will include network browsing?
[12:30] <TrioTorus> Does it depend on the new gnome-vfs?
[12:34] <Dougy> Thanks ablomen and cody-somerville
[12:34] <cody-somerville> :)
[12:35] <Dougy> cody-somerville, much appreciated
[12:35] <Dougy> keep that fix in mind, might help someone else in need one day :)
[12:35] <Dougy> thanks again guys, i owe you
[12:37] <cody-somerville> thanks for coming in
[12:37] <Dougy> cody-somerville, one quick question
[12:37] <Dougy> how do you screenshot in xfce :)
[12:38] <cody-somerville> Add the screenshot panel applet
[12:38] <cody-somerville> and click it
[12:53] <schranze> Hallo
[12:53] <schranze> bin grad am googlen wie man bei acroread die Pfadangabe richtig zum Printserver cups setzt
[12:54] <maxamillion> i'm really sorry, but i only speak english
[12:55] <schranze> ah okay
[12:55] <cody-somerville> What language is that? Malay?
[12:56] <schranze> i am searching for the config to printing server cups in program acroread
[12:57] <schranze> there is a choice in acroread direct to the printer, but i need this link to cups
[13:03] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, Coming to the Xubuntu meeting on Wednesday?
[13:03] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2008-March/005242.html
[13:03] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: maybe
[15:47] <theunixgeek> I'm surprised at how much faster the torrent download for the Xubuntu Hardy Beta. 15 KB/s for the server, 300 KB/s bittorrent :)
[15:49] <maxamillion> theunixgeek: torrent is a wonderful thing
[15:49] <maxamillion> theunixgeek: what torrent client you use?
[15:50] <theunixgeek> maxamillion: transmission on os x :)
[15:50] <theunixgeek> maxamillion: that's where I need to run the emulator for xubuntu
[15:50] <theunixgeek> maxamillion: but I'm talking to you right now from my ubuntu desktop
[15:51] <maxamillion> theunixgeek: ah ok
[15:51] <maxamillion> theunixgeek: well if you are ever looking for a torrent client for linux, i recommend deluge torrent :)
[15:53] <theunixgeek> maxamillion: I'll google it :)
[15:53] <maxamillion> theunixgeek: okies :) ... i just really like it and think others would too so i attempt to advertise for it whenever i am able
[15:54] <theunixgeek> :)
[15:54] <HACKhalo2> Xubuntu 8.04 has Transmission built into it
[15:55] <TMN> hi, anyone have an idea how xubuntu 7.10 will run on a 455mhz 128mb machine? I'm getting the alternate cd right now because it froze at livecd session when i tried it
[15:55] <HACKhalo2> you got it right, use the altCD
[15:55] <cody-somerville> TMN: I'd try to upgrade your ram
[15:55] <HACKhalo2> your computer doesn't have enough RAM to support the Live CD
[15:56] <maxamillion> TMN: the live installer needs 192mb of ram to work, but the alternate installer will be fine and once its installed it should perform wonderfully but since there is a small amount of ram you will have some lag when launching "heavier" programs
[15:56]  * cody-somerville notes that someone told him today that the memory consumption is down in 8.04.
[15:57] <TMN> ok. maybe i can take one from downstairs
[15:57] <TMN> thanks
[15:57] <TMN> is there no livesession installer for 8.04 beta?
[15:58] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: you wanna take that one? .... i haven't been involved in the development process in over a year
[15:58] <HACKhalo2> cody-somersville: I can agree with that. I'm running 8.04a3 and it runs so nicely on my low RAM lappy
[15:58] <cody-somerville> There is a live cd for 8.04, yes.
[15:59] <TMN> i mean non-live cd installer
[15:59] <maxamillion> xubuntu ran so much nicer before jani slaped it with half the gnome-libs in existance >.>
[15:59]  * maxamillion grumbles off
[16:00] <cody-somerville> Adding the gnome-libs had minimal performance impact
[16:00] <cody-somerville> The performance slow down was from the core ubuntu getting slower
[16:00] <cody-somerville> Specifically, font rendering and the like
[16:00] <HACKhalo2> i think 8.04 fixes that
[16:01] <cody-somerville> People will have to do tests to determine that
[16:01] <cody-somerville> However, people are reporting 8.04 is faster than 7.10
[16:02] <HACKhalo2> much
[16:02] <HACKhalo2> i like it
[16:02] <HACKhalo2> it fixes the lag my lappy had with my keyboard
[16:02] <HACKhalo2> it also boots up quicker
[16:03] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: well that's good
[16:03] <cody-somerville> However, I've successfully removed openoffice.org from being shipped today so I'm happy :)
[16:04] <maxamillion> oooo, good good
[16:04] <maxamillion> been reverted back to abiword and gnumeric?
[16:04] <cody-somerville> Well, we had been using that, yes.
[16:04] <cody-somerville> but openoffice.org was being included in the cd
[16:04] <cody-somerville> I've managed to rid the cd of it
[16:04] <cody-somerville> so more space for other stuff! :)
[16:05] <HACKhalo2> the live install CD?
[16:06] <K4k> ok, so I'm sorta newish to xfce and I'm trying to install a different icon theme, I made a ~/.icons directory and extracted the theme zip file into there, but when I go to change my icon themes, it isn't showing up. I did this on my laptop and it worked just fine with this same theme but my desktop won't do it, anyone have any ideas?
[16:08] <theblue> hi all.
[16:08] <maxamillion> hello
[16:08] <K4k> any ideas what's going on with my icon theme anyone?
[16:09] <theunixgeek> K4k: you don't need to do all that
[16:09] <maxamillion> K4k: not sure why that didn't work, but you could always just extract it in /usr/share/icons/ as root (make sure to set the permissions to the directory to match the others though)
[16:09] <cody-somerville> It should work
[16:09] <cody-somerville> !icons-theme
[16:09] <cody-somerville> !icons
[16:09] <theunixgeek> K4k: open up the theme manager and drag the .tar.gz or whatever into the window.
[16:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icons-theme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:09]  * cody-somerville sighs.
[16:09] <ubotu> Want to see volume/trash icons on the desktop? Go to /apps/nautilus/desktop in gconf-editor (GNOME) or go to http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#showtrash (KDE)
[16:09] <K4k> theunixgeek, I tried that and it didn't work...
[16:09] <K4k> maxamillion, I put it in there too after it didn't work in ~/.icons
[16:10] <theunixgeek> K4k: never mind then
[16:10] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, want to do me a favour?
[16:10] <K4k> maxamillion, lemme check the permissions though
[16:10] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: shoot
[16:10] <maxamillion> K4k: okies
[16:10] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, Will you see if the the beta for Xubuntu live cd will load with 128mb of ram
[16:10] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: yup, got a url for the download?
[16:11] <K4k> maxamillion, it's in there with the same permissions
[16:11] <cody-somerville> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/hardy/beta/
[16:12] <maxamillion> K4k: interesting ....
[16:12] <K4k> maxamillion, yea, do there have to be any special permissions on ~/.icons?
[16:13] <maxamillion> K4k: there shouldn't be, if you unpack as your user into a directory your user owns then you should have full permissions on it
[16:13] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: wow that mirror is horribly slow
[16:13] <K4k> maxamillion, that's what I thought...hmm
[16:13] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: i'm sitting at about 60k/s ... i pulled an image from mirrors.kernel.org at like 8mb/s an hour ago
[16:15] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, want to try a different mirror?
[16:15] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: sure
[16:15] <cody-somerville> what country?
[16:17] <K4k> maxamillion, the only thing I saw out of the ordinary was that the directory for the icons was owned by root, so I changed that to my user but it's still not there, I'm going to keep looking though, i think it's a permissions issue
[16:17] <maxamillion> hmmm... that is strange
[16:18] <K4k> I know why though, I was root when I unpacked it
[16:18]  * K4k smacks head
[16:18] <maxamillion> :D
[16:18]  * maxamillion has done that before
[16:18] <maxamillion> accept on a server
[16:19] <maxamillion> spent hours trying to figure out what was wrong just to find out the process owner couldn't access its config file
[16:19] <K4k> haha
[16:19] <K4k> can you do chown -r?
[16:19] <K4k> to change the owner of the dir and all contents?
[16:20] <K4k> o, it's -R, nvm
[16:20] <K4k> grrr, still can't see it
[16:28] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, how goes it?
[16:28] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: slow and steady
[16:28] <alex_mayorga> hi, is the ISO still overweight?
[16:29] <HACKhalo2> why can't you use the development feature to update to Hardy Beta?
[16:29] <maxamillion> alex_mayorga: no
[16:30] <cody-somerville> The alternative i386 iso is overweight
[16:30] <maxamillion> HACKhalo2: because i don't run xubuntu, i left the project over a year ago ... i just hand out in the channel because i like the community
[16:30] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: my mistake
[16:30] <HACKhalo2> ah
[16:30] <HACKhalo2> i was just saying as if the ISO was overweight, why not do it within Xubuntu
[16:31] <HACKhalo2> instead of using a CD?
[16:31] <maxamillion> HACKhalo2: i used to be a contributor to project development, documentation, etc.. but some internal things went wrong and i decided to leave but i still help out when cody-somerville asks me too because he and i are friends
[16:31] <cody-somerville> :)
[16:31] <maxamillion> :)
[16:32] <HACKhalo2> i get that
[16:32] <HACKhalo2> what im saying is why not update Xubuntu within Xubuntu?
[16:32] <maxamillion> HACKhalo2: because i don't have xubuntu, i have to download it first
[16:32] <cody-somerville> I'm asking him to try the live cd in a VM limited to 128mb of ram
[16:32] <HACKhalo2> using the development flag when running the update manager
[16:33] <maxamillion> HACKhalo2: i think i might be misunderstanding what you are asking of me
[16:33] <HACKhalo2> in general, not towards anyone
[16:33]  * cody-somerville is already running Hardy :)
[16:33] <maxamillion> HACKhalo2: oh, you could just edit you /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and everything would in theory be perfectly fine
[16:33] <maxamillion> s/you/your
[16:34] <zoredache> are you asking if you can upgrade?  The answer should be yes...
[16:34] <HACKhalo2> right
[16:34] <maxamillion> HACKhalo2: i wouldn't recommend using the update manager to do it though, i would edit the sources.list and use apt-get .... less possibility of things going wrong
[16:34] <HACKhalo2> basically saying, if the ISO was unsuable, couldn't you just update within Xubuntu
[16:34] <HACKhalo2> ah
[16:35] <maxamillion> HACKhalo2: yes, you could
[16:35] <cody-somerville> Actually, the update-manager is generally safer
[16:35] <cody-somerville> It is "smart"
[16:35] <HACKhalo2> and i'm not that Unix savy in order to use apt-get
[16:35]  * cody-somerville nods.
[16:35] <cody-somerville> Use the update-manager
[16:36] <HACKhalo2> which i use with the -d flag
[16:37] <HACKhalo2> i just can't update now because my lappy charger took a dump
[16:37] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: accept that its often bug-ridden
[16:37] <cody-somerville> update-manager --devel-release will update you to 8.04
[16:38] <HACKhalo2> i did update-manager -d to update to 8.04a3
[16:38] <cody-somerville> -d is probably short for --devel-release
[16:38] <HACKhalo2> maybe
[16:39] <cody-somerville> It is
[16:39] <HACKhalo2> i just did what the wiki told me to
[16:39] <cody-somerville> update-manager -d and update-manager --devel-release do the same thing
[16:39] <maxamillion> wiki is generally good about sending you in the right direction
[16:40] <HACKhalo2> i just need to figure out how to get the source code for the Xfce4-battery-plugin
[16:40] <cody-somerville> why?
[16:40] <cody-somerville> the command is apt-get source xfce4-battery-plugin btw
[16:41] <HACKhalo2> i want to dabble in coding
[16:41] <cody-somerville> Okay
[16:41] <HACKhalo2> make it like the GNOME counterpart
[16:42] <zoredache> there is also links to the source packages from packages.ubuntu.org
[16:43] <HACKhalo2> that confuses the hell outta me
[16:43] <HACKhalo2> lol
[16:47] <zoredache> what confuses you?
[16:48] <HACKhalo2> the whole packages part of ubuntu
[16:48] <HACKhalo2> i tried that once
[16:49] <zoredache> HACKhalo2: if you are into learning you might take a look at <?php
[16:49] <zoredache> ack
[16:49] <HACKhalo2> i already have a decent PHP background
[16:49] <zoredache> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFzPrzY2KFM - Anatomy Of A Debian Package
[16:50] <HACKhalo2> oh
[16:50] <zoredache> sorry, my clipboard didn't have what I wanted in it
[16:51] <zoredache> that was a neat leacture a guy did a google that went over how exactly a package is made and how to work with it
[16:52] <HACKhalo2> ah
[16:54] <zoredache> or if learn more by reading, check out the debian new maintainers guide
[17:23] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, how goes it?
[17:24] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: only at 29% downloaded
[17:25] <cody-somerville> :(
[17:25] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: i have downloaded 2 dvd images while this has been running
[17:25] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: it won't go over 60kb/s
[17:25] <cody-somerville> try a different mirror?
[17:25] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: i don't have one
[17:25] <cody-somerville> just use the ones from xubuntu.org/get
[17:30] <maxamillion> ah ok
[18:20]  * cody-somerville ponders.
[18:20] <cody-somerville> Whats with all the clones?
[18:20]  * cody-somerville pokes Pumpernickel.
[18:40] <cody-somerville> Must be connection issue
[18:51] <Besnik_b> I installed Xubuntu, but it does not start the X server. I changed some settings in xorg.conf, as part of a trying. How do I start X manyally now?
[18:54] <alex_mayorga> wow xubuntu 8.04 download is slooow
[18:55] <cody-somerville> alex_mayorga, I'll update the list of mirrors
[18:56] <alex_mayorga> cody-somerville: even the torrent is slow
[18:56] <alex_mayorga> it reports there are 11 hours to go :(
[18:58] <slow-motion> hi
[19:00] <gaurdro> hello
[19:07] <cody-somerville> Okay
[19:07] <cody-somerville> Release announcement updated with 15 new mirrors
[19:20] <gaurdro> besnik_b:  gdm  or kdm or startx
[19:21] <maxamillion> or xdm or startxfce or startkde or telinit 5 (depending on your distro)
[19:24] <cody-somerville> "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"? :)
[19:28] <elia_> hi guys
[19:28] <elia_> could someone help me???
[19:28] <elia_> could someone help me???
[19:28] <cody-somerville> !ask
[19:28] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[19:29] <elia_> whooo what a chann...
[19:29] <Stroganoff> ^^
[19:29] <elia_> so
[19:30] <elia_> i installed ndiswrapper with my driver's inf file on it but i still dontt have wifi and iyt worked when i had ubuntu
[19:31] <gaurdro> how did you install xubuntu? (I'm assuming that's what you have)
[19:31] <elia_> live cd
[19:33] <gaurdro> does iwconfig give you any interfaces that have wireless extensions?
[19:33] <elia_> i'll just type iwconfig and copy you what he gives me
[19:33] <gaurdro> copy it to pastebin,  so you don't flood the channel.
[19:34] <gaurdro> http://pastebin.com/
[19:34] <elia_> elia@elia-laptop:~$ iwconfig
[19:34] <elia_> lo        no wireless extensions.
[19:34] <elia_> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[19:34] <elia_> eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:off/any  Nickname:"Broadcom 4311" Mode:Managed  Access Point: Invalid    RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off Link Quality=0/100  Signal level=-256 dBm  Noise level=-256 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[19:34] <elia_> elia@elia-laptop:~$
[19:34] <elia_> woops
[19:34] <elia_> didn't read this before i pasted it
[19:34] <elia_> sorry
[19:35] <gaurdro> it's detecting your wireless card,  eth1.   in your panel do you have the network manager running?
[19:36] <elia_> dunno i'm using the cable right now
[19:37] <elia_> but my wifi light th'ats suposed to beblue  isn't
[19:37] <gaurdro> it should still show up in your panel.
[19:37] <elia_> it should...
[19:37] <elia_> but i don't see anything
[19:37] <gaurdro> in a terminal type 'nm-applet'
[19:38] <gaurdro> does anything new show up in your panel?
[19:38] <elia_> i don't have anything
[19:39] <elia_> my nick}@comuter doesn't appear neither after that
[19:40] <gaurdro> well,  a new instance is running,  it's still attached to that terminal so it shouldn't return you to the prompt
[19:40] <gaurdro> brb
[19:41] <elia_> uh?? what do i have to do?
[19:44] <elia_> pff tired.. i'll just leave that for tomorow and whatch a stupid thing at the tv to to relax my poor head tht is in hollyday since last weak
[19:44] <elia_> bye
[20:03] <douglas> I'm having a problem
[20:03] <douglas> I have music cd's
[20:03] <douglas> and i get a mount error when i try to put it in and read it
[20:04] <douglas> mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[20:04] <douglas> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0,
[20:34] <cody-somerville> The Xubuntu alternative cds are now available for 8.04 Beta for testing.
[20:35] <cody-somerville> Feel free to help test them out at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all
[20:35] <cody-somerville> Once we get enough successful reports, we'll be able to release the alternative image :)
[20:36] <cody-somerville> The ISOs can be found at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[20:38] <gaurdro> I'll see what i can do about install it on my sandbox this evening.
[20:40] <alex_mayorga> cody-somerville, when to use alternate?
[20:41] <cody-somerville> alex_mayorga, hmm?
[20:43] <alex_mayorga> I'm planning to install xubuntu for my mom on and old pentium II machine and I wonder if 8.04 would break for her
[20:44] <alex_mayorga> also the downloads from the mirrors are also very slow, so seem I've seetled with the 7.10 torrent
[20:46] <gaurdro> !alternate
[20:46] <ubotu> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal
[20:54] <alex_mayorga> guardro: are you recommending alternate for my use case
[20:55] <gaurdro> I just posted that as what the alternate cd install actually is,  I would suggest trying the livecd since it's generally easier to work with.  then if that doesn't work try the alternate or minimal cd.
[21:00] <alex_mayorga> gaurdro: thanks on your suggestion
[21:02] <cody-somerville> You need atleast 192mb of ram to install with the live cd
[21:04] <alex_mayorga> we have 256 I believe
[21:06] <cody-somerville> Okay.
[21:14] <douglas> hm
[21:14] <douglas> is there a good app like WMP for Linux
[21:14] <douglas> i'd like it to rip music from a CD and store it
[21:14] <douglas> and playbakc
[21:14] <douglas> playback
[21:14] <ant0n> audacius?
[21:14] <ant0n> Ah, no idea
[21:15] <douglas> That's something they need
[21:16] <douglas> a big mainstream one for Linux.
[21:17] <ant0n> Ok
[21:17] <Stroganoff> douglas, have you tried rythmbox or kaffeine?
[21:17] <ant0n> Det var aldeles för enkelt att ta bort panelerna så det blev svårt att göra det :p
[21:18] <ant0n> Sorry, posted in wrong channel.
[21:21] <slimjimflim> nein
[21:21] <slimjimflim> nien
[21:21] <slimjimflim> ser gut
[21:21] <slimjimflim> einz svie drei
[21:21] <ant0n> Nicht deutsch :)
[21:22] <slimjimflim> oh
[21:22] <ant0n> fier f
[21:22] <slimjimflim> sweedish?
[21:22] <ant0n> English :)
[21:22] <ant0n> Yes, im swedish :P
[21:22] <slimjimflim> aha
[21:22] <ant0n> But the language here is English :)
[21:22] <slimjimflim> ok
[21:22] <ant0n> yes
[21:22] <slimjimflim> i don't know any swedish words
[21:23] <slimjimflim> 'hey lets go down to the fyord'
[21:23] <slimjimflim> lol
[21:23] <slimjimflim> no?
[21:23] <douglas> no
[21:23] <ant0n> Okej, here is some: "Hej" = "Hello" , "Hej Då" = "Bye Bye"..
[21:23] <TheSheep> douglas: you can rip music with sound juicer
[21:23] <ant0n> fyord?
[21:24] <slimjimflim> hey i'm in the wrong channel too
[21:24] <slimjimflim> no wonder i don't know any of you
[21:24] <ant0n> Try
[21:24] <ant0n> xubuntu-  your country language
[21:30] <douglas> TheSheep: RhythmBox seems to do
[21:31] <Stroganoff> glad
[22:17] <charding> What is the ubuntu site where you can rate the idea to be implemented or have it worked on more in a future release?
[22:19] <charding> Basically like 'digging' a story, you can increase or decrease the rating/popularity
[22:20] <zoredache_> charding: I suspect you are thinking of brainstorm http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[22:21] <charding> zoredache_: yes, thanks
[22:44] <gerro> sup peoples
[22:56] <ant0n> sup?
[22:56] <ant0n> Sup as the swedish word for get drunk=
[23:13] <Lokian> Hi all
[23:15] <Lokian> Can anyone  tell me how to set up VNC on my xubuntu machine and be able to connect to it from MS windows?
[23:15] <ere4si> !vnc | Lokian
[23:15] <ubotu> Lokian: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[23:16] <Lokian> Kinky, thanks