[00:17] <apachelogger> \sh_away: thanks for the revu :)
[00:19] <ScottK2> awen_: I don't find it in any way superior to apt.  The times it can figure out a path that apt can't, I can manage and that's no real benifit compared it aptitude's cache getting confused and insisting my entire kde needs to be removed (has happened to me).
[00:22] <awen_> ScottK2: I use both of them for different purposes... the aptitude safe-upgrade is good when running alpha and an upgraded package with missing dependencies is precent in the archive; and the console interface for looking at packages is also nice
[00:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is in the queue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=gtk-qt
[00:22] <ScottK> apt-get dist-upgrade gets you the same thing.
[00:23] <awen_> ScottK: you mean that apt-get upgrade = aptitude safe-upgrade ?
[00:24] <ScottK> Yes
[00:25] <ScottK> It used to be called aptitude dist-upgrade until the aptitued devs changed it for reasons that completely escape me.
[00:26] <awen_> ScottK: aptitude still has dist-upgrade ... {safe|full|dist}-upgrade
[00:28]  * awen_ now sees that full-upgrade and dist-upgrade are synonyms
[02:53] <ForzaPalermo> anyone know how ot get system-config-samba with kde4?
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> ForzaPalermo: install the kde3 system settings.
[02:55] <ForzaPalermo> nosrednaekim, ?
[02:55] <ForzaPalermo> how do i do that?
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> wait... is that the kde3 system settings module, or the gnome module?
[02:57] <ForzaPalermo> it uses gnome
[02:57] <ForzaPalermo> had no problem with kde3
[02:57] <ForzaPalermo> loads fine
[02:57] <ForzaPalermo> here it asks for my root password
[02:57] <ForzaPalermo> then nothing
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> ForzaPalermo: ah.. right, run it from the command line with "kdesudo <appname>"
[02:59] <ForzaPalermo> nothin
[02:59] <ForzaPalermo> kde 4 has been nothing but headaches :(
[03:01] <ForzaPalermo> any other ideas?
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> ForzaPalermo: if its a gtk app, try running it with gksu
[03:02] <ForzaPalermo> na,  wont load
[03:05] <ForzaPalermo> there any debs around for the svn kde4.1
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> not yet
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> you could go use debian though
[03:05] <ForzaPalermo> what do u mean?
[03:05] <ForzaPalermo> the distro?
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[03:05] <ScottK2> Is this Gutsy or Hardy?
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> debain has 4.1packages
[03:05] <nixternal> debian don't have theirs up yet if they are working on them
[03:06] <ForzaPalermo> those packages work with kubuntu?
[03:06] <ScottK2> The Debian 4.1 snapshots aren't actually in Debian yet.
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> ForzaPalermo: no, no, i'm just saying that if you want to use 4.1 you will have to use debain
[03:08] <ForzaPalermo> alright thanks guys
[06:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal: only because i'm not there :P
[06:26] <nixternal> but you are here :p
[06:27] <nixternal> nixternal->sleep();
[06:27] <nixternal> k'nite
[06:27]  * Jucato follows suite
[08:20] <stdin> hmm, why is bug number 1 on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu ?
[08:26] <jussio1> stdin: LOL that very funny
[10:39] <Nookie^> hi someone told me yesterday where i could find kubuntu logos and ubuntu on ubuntupage
[10:39] <Nookie^> does anyone know the link
[11:32] <Noq^> Riddell: when you come back.. i need to leave now. here is a image for RC i have created.. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3138/kubuntuboxnookiekw9.png
[11:32] <stdin> Noq^: try https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Official
[11:33] <Noq^> stdin: found it but thanx anyway
[11:55] <fregl> after updating to hardy my kde3 splash shows no graphics
[11:56] <fregl> and during the update when asked to choose which config file should be used the "Next>>" buttons are irritating as they make the dialog appear sometimes
[11:56] <fregl> that made me think it crashed at first
[13:30] <yao_ziyuan> trying kubuntu 8.04 beta in vbox
[13:30] <yao_ziyuan> seems the default wallpaper has been replaced
[13:30] <yao_ziyuan> probably due to the aspect ratio problem
[13:34] <yao_ziyuan> i can't say anything now...
[13:34] <yao_ziyuan> the default style and window decoration isn't as good as 7.10's
[13:34] <yao_ziyuan> i want polyester back!
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> yao_ziyuan: then get it back
[13:35] <yao_ziyuan> i think the best combination is polyester style + polyester window
[13:35] <yao_ziyuan> and 8.04 beta's wallpaper is too mundane
[13:35] <yao_ziyuan> that Tend To Zero is actually a very good and inspiring one
[13:35] <yao_ziyuan> it just can't adapt to different screen resolutions
[13:36] <yao_ziyuan> there is a workaround:
[13:36] <yao_ziyuan> by default, use "Scale & Crop" as the wallpaper drawing option
[13:37] <yao_ziyuan> or better: if the current wallpaper is not exactly the same size as the current screen, then automatically set to "Scale & Crop" as the default
[13:39] <Dekans> I get an issue with kdm on hardy beta
[13:40] <Dekans> if I logout, i get a black screen
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> Dekans: do you have an ATI card?
[13:40] <Dekans> no it's a nvidia
[13:40] <yao_ziyuan> i know you guys want to mimic windows xp...
[13:41] <yao_ziyuan> makes it look as dumb as possible
[13:41] <yao_ziyuan> so the dumb majority will adopt it...
[13:41] <yao_ziyuan> you know, win xp is dumb...
[13:41] <nosrednaekim> Dekans: you may want to ask in #ubuntu+1...
[13:41] <nosrednaekim> if they can't solve it, file a bug
[13:43] <yao_ziyuan> i played with PCLinuxOS 2007. its look is most similar to xp
[13:44] <Dekans> okay I'll do it
[13:47] <yao_ziyuan> let me tell you guys what looks good:
[13:48] <yao_ziyuan> 1. Polyester style + Polyester window + default kubuntu 7.10 color scheme: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/workspace080228.png?gda=eagiskQAAACGqirY5nHUpt9oVyi7lmg1Ryes1Ae_r_26J5OutG9lVGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDSi_7LkP3M6egTwwyaOk0t9IegfnwZa-Ew6rpGDNRO6hA
[13:49] <yao_ziyuan> 2. Polyester style + Polyester window + kubuntu 7.10's "Polyester Orange" color scheme + Tend-To-Zero-(Hot) wallpaper: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/%E6%88%91%E7%9A%84%20%E6%BB%A1%E5%9C%B0%E7%BA%A2%20%E6%A1%8C%E9%9D%A2.png?gda=xDfmN3YAAACGqirY5nHUpt9oVyi7lmg1Ryes1Ae_r_26J5OutG9lVGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDRuvQL_2aXrHpkK98OZ1RGXS7Uak5YB2GYUdUKhqhlpDB9QO5YuzggilrGxGjW-AoqBnU_2Acz3tqO4i2KXL8AQT4UiRSvtnlU6232iqWRRZQ
[13:49] <yao_ziyuan> those who don't think they're beautiful, raise your hands
[13:50] <jpatrick> ...
[13:51] <Hobbsee> those poly-orange buttons don't look too great.
[13:52] <Hobbsee> yao_ziyuan: btw, it's a holiday in most countries, and a wekeend.
[14:03] <yao_ziyuan> Hobbsee: buttons? aren't they the same buttons just with a different color scheme
[14:03] <Hobbsee> yao_ziyuan: yeah, but it really shows them up as looking quite dirty
[14:03] <yao_ziyuan> dirty? i think the window titlebar buttons (minimize, maximize, close) are a little dirty
[14:03] <yao_ziyuan> but the pushbuttons are good
[14:04] <Hobbsee> wintitle ones were what i meant
[14:05] <yao_ziyuan> i think so too
[14:05] <Hobbsee> too late for hardy, though, and most of the artists don't read irc
[14:05] <yao_ziyuan> but after a while i think it's a feature :)
[14:05] <yao_ziyuan> not too late
[14:05] <Hobbsee> you've hit UI freeze.
[14:05] <yao_ziyuan> these things can change in the last minute
[14:05] <Hobbsee> long ago
[14:05] <yao_ziyuan> don't be so inflexible
[14:05] <Hobbsee> ....
[14:06] <yao_ziyuan> i agree that Polyester's "Glass window buttons" are dirty
[14:07] <yao_ziyuan> but when applied with Kubuntu 7.10's default color scheme, it becomes so good: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/workspace080228.png?gda=eagiskQAAACGqirY5nHUpt9oVyi7lmg1Ryes1Ae_r_26J5OutG9lVGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDSi_7LkP3M6egTwwyaOk0t9IegfnwZa-Ew6rpGDNRO6hA
[14:07] <yao_ziyuan> this one is not dirty, right?
[14:07] <Hobbsee> ....
[14:07] <yao_ziyuan> if only it can have a red version, too
[14:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: speaking of which, you're not planning to put a new default windeco into hardy now, are you?
[14:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: or are all the books, etc, not using kubuntu?
[14:10] <yao_ziyuan> that ugliness is due to Polyester's "button style". it can be Glass, Gradient, Reverse Gradient, Flat
[14:10] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: he's out till tomorrow
[14:10] <yao_ziyuan> Glass causes the dirtiness
[14:10] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: yeah, thought so
[14:14] <yao_ziyuan> there is another way:
[14:14] <yao_ziyuan> Kubuntu 7.10's Polyester Orange Juice color scheme + Polyester style + Crystal window
[14:14] <yao_ziyuan> this creates a red look without ugly window buttons
[14:15] <Hobbsee> hmmm, looks like qtcurve is supposed to have gone thru
[14:15] <Hobbsee> so much for UI freezes or anything.
[14:16] <yao_ziyuan> but Crystal window has its own problems. ignore me.
[14:19] <yao_ziyuan> consider this look for 8.04: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/workspace080228.png?gda=eagiskQAAACGqirY5nHUpt9oVyi7lmg1Ryes1Ae_r_26J5OutG9lVGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDSi_7LkP3M6egTwwyaOk0t9IegfnwZa-Ew6rpGDNRO6hA
[14:19] <Hobbsee> yao_ziyuan: have you seen the release schedule?
[14:19] <yao_ziyuan> ...
[14:19] <yao_ziyuan> the wallpaper is optional
[14:19] <yao_ziyuan> it has a meaning for me personally
[14:20] <Hobbsee> particularly the part on UI freeze?
[14:20] <yao_ziyuan> the day i registered to my college is a rainy day
[14:20] <Hobbsee> which was...a month ago?
[14:20] <yao_ziyuan> let's twist time
[14:21] <Hobbsee> and notify anyone who's planning to publish books with screenshots of kubuntu hardy, which will now be obsolete.  yes.
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> sounds like an awesome plan.... so good for our reputation.
[14:21] <Hobbsee> exactly.
[14:22] <yao_ziyuan> i think people can still understand illustrations in books
[14:22] <yao_ziyuan> and they will so appreciate that the actual distro has a better look
[14:23]  * Hobbsee decides to walk away, instead of further arguing.
[14:23] <yao_ziyuan> let 7.10 users judge
[14:23]  * Hobbsee will likely stamp it with the big rubber "no" stamp, when it gets to the ubuntu release team.
[14:24] <yao_ziyuan> i think many of them will go back with Polyester
[14:24] <Hobbsee> they needed to have a poll and decide months ago.
[14:24] <Hobbsee> like, >1 month.
[14:24] <yao_ziyuan> was there a poll?
[14:24] <Hobbsee> did you set one up?
[14:25] <Hobbsee> did you email the kubuntu-developers ML with these mockups at all, any time in the past 2 months?
[14:26] <yao_ziyuan> i thought the alpha 6 look is final
[14:26] <yao_ziyuan> sigh
[14:27] <yao_ziyuan> i didn't expect someone changed it all
[14:27] <yao_ziyuan> probably with evil intention
[14:27] <yao_ziyuan> a microsoft spook
[14:27]  * Hobbsee is fairly certain those with commit rights are not evil.
[14:28] <yao_ziyuan> if so many developers and testers didn't notice the look change is a regression, then maybe it's acceptable...
[14:29] <yao_ziyuan> this sleeping society... only me is waken... :)
[14:29]  * nosrednaekim watches the cluebat hit yao_ziyuan
[14:29]  * Hobbsee is still uncertain as to why the licence wasn't checked on the original image, before putting it in...
[14:29] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: i've not put on my "i am the release manager" hat yet.
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: :)
[14:30] <Hobbsee> well, one of them.
[14:30]  * Hobbsee is double checking with the head RM first, but is fairly certain of what he'll say
[14:30] <yao_ziyuan> start a coup
[14:30] <yao_ziyuan> overthrow the scheme
[14:31] <yao_ziyuan> *schedule
[14:31] <Hobbsee> there are good reasons for the schedule.  it's long been public.  it's not my fault that you weren't organised.
[14:31] <yao_ziyuan> well,
[14:31] <yao_ziyuan> what if it's a bug?
[14:32] <Hobbsee> then, as it's a UI change, it'll still need a UI exception, which i don't think you'll get at this point.
[14:35] <yao_ziyuan> well!
[14:35] <yao_ziyuan> there's still something you guys can do
[14:35] <yao_ziyuan> put Polyester back to the Styles list and Window Decorations list
[14:36] <yao_ziyuan> and add a "Kubuntu 7.10 color scheme" to the Color Schemes list
[14:36] <Hobbsee> you should be able to add colour schemes, or make a package of nice kubuntu colour schemes
[14:37] <Hobbsee> and stick it in universe, probably
[14:37] <yao_ziyuan> actually, i care more about the Languages feature
[14:37] <Hobbsee> so, have you gotten that fixed?
[14:37] <yao_ziyuan> no
[14:37] <yao_ziyuan> i want a simple Languages list
[14:38] <yao_ziyuan> where each item is an available language with a checkbox before it
[14:38] <Hobbsee> have you emailed the list saying what neesd to be done, and presented a patch?
[14:38] <yao_ziyuan> no patch
[14:38] <Hobbsee> if not both, have you at least done the first/
[14:38] <yao_ziyuan> i did the first
[14:39] <Hobbsee> good.  any traction?
[14:42] <yao_ziyuan> my bug report is about the scim setup
[14:42] <yao_ziyuan> but now i have a new demand:
[14:42] <yao_ziyuan> i just want a simple Language Selector like Ubuntu's and Fedora's
[14:42] <yao_ziyuan> it is a simple listbox control
[14:43] <yao_ziyuan> if the user wants to enable a language (including install if needed), he just checkes the checkbox before that language
[14:43] <yao_ziyuan> likewise he can uncheck a language
[14:43] <yao_ziyuan> if chinese is checked, scim will be automatically installed and configured and run
[14:43] <yao_ziyuan> Ubuntu and Fedora already can do that. i want kubuntu to do it also
[14:49] <jpatrick> is he gone?
[14:50] <nosrednaekim> seems to be :)
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> how do you add tabs to a tab widget in desginer-qt4?
[14:56] <jpatrick> right it and I think there's an option
[14:56] <nosrednaekim> ah.. its called a "page"
[14:56] <nosrednaekim> thanks
[16:29] <davebv> hi! may I get support here for ebox in hardy?
[16:30] <ScottK2> davebv: Try #ubuntu-server
[16:31] <davebv> ok! hanks
[16:31] <davebv> thanks
[18:21] <jjesse> good afternoon, in kde4 and dolphin when i right click on a folder and select sharing, it is lookin gofr kcm4shell fileshell which can't be found, what is kcmshell4 fileshare
[18:23] <nosrednaekim> apparently a kde4 system settings module
[18:23] <nosrednaekim> not working here either
[18:24] <jjesse> hrmm so what would then be the easiest way to configure a folder for windows sharing?
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> and one which isn't installed
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> are you on kde4 only? no kde3 stuff around?
[18:26] <jjesse> kde4 so far
[18:26] <jjesse> fresh install of hardy kde4
[18:26] <jjesse> well besides konversatation
[18:26] <apachelogger> hm, no filesharing kcm4 ... that sounds like a missing dependency
[18:28] <jjesse> apachelogger: yes but what dependcy and how can i help track it down?
[18:30]  * apachelogger diggs in
[18:32] <apachelogger> jjesse: what does `dpkg -s kdebase-data-kde4` say?
[18:33] <jjesse> helps if i can spell :0
[18:33] <jjesse> !pastebin
[18:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[18:34] <jjesse> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60576/
[18:34] <jjesse> priority is optional
[18:35] <jjesse> but it is installed
[18:36] <apachelogger> hm
[18:38] <apachelogger> ah
[18:38] <apachelogger> wrong package :D
[18:38] <apachelogger> jjesse: `dpkg -s kdenetwork-filesharing-kde4`
[18:40] <jjesse> not installed and no info is available
[18:40] <apachelogger> there is the missing dep :)
[18:40] <apachelogger> jjesse: thanks
[18:40] <jjesse> apachelogger: no thank you for helping
[18:41] <jjesse> do i have to restart to load that lib?
[18:41] <jjesse> cause still getting command not found
[18:42] <apachelogger> kbuildsycoca4 should fix it
[18:43] <jjesse> nope still gettting file not found
[18:45] <apachelogger> hm
[18:45] <apachelogger> jjesse: are you in bug finding mode? :P
[18:45] <jjesse> sure why not :)
[18:45] <jjesse> anything i can do to help
[18:46] <apachelogger> jjesse: kdesudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kcmshell4 filesharing
[18:47] <jjesse> ok let me paste bin as a long output
[18:47] <jjesse> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60580/
[18:48] <apachelogger> ah
[18:48] <apachelogger> my bad, sorry
[18:48] <apachelogger> jjesse: kdesudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kcmshell4 fileshare
[18:48] <apachelogger> that should work
[18:49] <jjesse> correct that does work
[18:49] <jjesse> no worries on that
[18:49] <jjesse> however crashwhen i click on add
[18:50] <jjesse> would a  back trace help or do i need some debugging package addedfirst?
[18:51] <apachelogger> jjesse: you need kdenetwork-dbg-kde4
[18:51] <yuriy> how about kde4libs-dbg?
[18:52] <jjesse> how bout both?
[18:52] <apachelogger> that is a dep of kdenetwork-dbg
[18:52] <apachelogger> dep == both + even more
[18:52] <apachelogger> jjesse: please report this bug on bugs.kde.org if you have time
[18:52] <jjesse> apachelogger: sure i will do
[18:52] <apachelogger> thanks
[18:52] <jjesse> np thanks for the help
[18:53] <jjesse> i'll attach everything we did
[18:53] <jjesse> be back in a bit
[18:53] <apachelogger> hm
[18:53] <apachelogger> who knows in which bzr branch kubuntu-kde4-meta resides?
[19:19] <jjesse> back
[19:19] <jjesse> filing bug right now
[19:20] <jjesse> !kde4
[19:20] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:22] <jjesse> apachelogger: what package does that go against?
[19:33] <jjesse> apachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159709
[19:33] <ubotu> KDE bug 159709 in knetwork "unable to use file sharing through dolphin -- file not found" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[21:54] <mhb> howdy, partners
[21:55] <mhb> how's everyone? hope well
[21:55] <mhb> happy Easter to everyone
[21:55] <mhb> do you know if anyone is going to do anything with the guidance configuration tools?
[21:56] <mhb> some new blood, volunteers and the like?
[21:56] <jpatrick> mhb: happy easter, mate, hope you're well too :)
[21:56] <mhb> or old dogs doing new tricks?
[21:57] <jpatrick> I know nosreakin's working on the printer thing
[21:57] <mhb> jpatrick: I'm very well, I've passed some small mid-term exams (is that how they're called?) last week, and I've got sunday and monday free
[21:57] <mhb> jpatrick: other than that, nobody spoke about pykde4 migration?
[21:58] <jpatrick> mid-term exams is the term :)
[21:58] <mhb> jpatrick: I think I'm going to check if I can still write some python today, so I'm checking first to avoid duplicating stuff
[21:59] <mhb> by the way, what's your opinion on this policykit stuff?
[21:59] <jpatrick> mhb: not much in the backlog... and our leader is off till tomorrow
[22:00] <mhb> are you seeing it as a neat feature or rather as a useless un-unix principle that worsens performance and complicates code?
[22:00] <mhb> (guess what my opinion is)
[22:02] <mhb> jpatrick: no opinion on it?
[22:02]  * jpatrick isn't up to date with teh policykit stuff
[22:04] <mhb> jpatrick: no gnome on your system, eh?
[22:04] <mhb> ah, just the fellow I'd like to meet
[22:04] <mhb> hi nosrednaekim
[22:04] <mhb> hope you're doing well
[22:04] <nosrednaekim> hey mhb... I am kinda... a bit singed right now
[22:04] <jpatrick> mhb: no gnome what so ever, apart from the dependencies of vim-full
[22:04] <mhb> singed? what's that?
[22:05] <mhb> jpatrick: that explains it - the "Unlock" button is all over the gnome UI
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> mhb: as in burnt..... just put out a mini-forest fire here
[22:05] <mhb> nosrednaekim: as in wounded? Physically?
[22:05] <mhb> nosrednaekim: or is it a metaphor I'm not getting?
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> uhh yeah.... literally, my hair is burnt and so are my eyebrows
[22:07] <jpatrick> ..
[22:09] <mhb> sorry
[22:09] <mhb> evil connection
[22:10] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: wth, don't you listen to Smokey the Bear?
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: talk to my mom 'bout that
[22:10] <nixternal> I bet you stink...I hate that singe smell
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> threw out hot ashes...
[22:10] <nixternal> d'oh
[22:10] <mhb> nosrednaekim: anyway, are you working on any of the guidance modules?
[22:10] <jpatrick> mhb: < nosrednaekim> uhh yeah.... literally, my hair is burnt and so are my eyebrows
[22:10] <mhb> nosrednaekim: or do you know people are?
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I am working on system-config-printer.... but other than that I am not away of any development of guidance going on
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> and thats really not guidance
[22:11] <mhb> okay, thanks
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> I think only the wine configurator needs to get ported.... and I guess mountconfig
[22:13] <mhb> userconfig?
[22:14] <mhb> or is there a better tool for that in KDE4?
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> hrm... apparently that too.
[22:14] <mhb> I'm not really following the recent development there; I've never been attached to the KDE upstream project much.
[22:15] <mhb> too much design by committee for me, I guess :o)
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> you like benevolent dictator methods?
[22:16] <mhb> if I like the dictator, yes
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> benevolent or not? :o
[22:17] <mhb> non-benevolency has its advantages
[22:17] <mhb> people have the tendency to add countless features and overcomplicate
[22:17] <mhb> KDE UI is a good example
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> yup..... or remove countless feature...
[22:18] <mhb> that's me :o)
[22:19] <mhb> there's a thin line after which you should say "Stop. Do not add that - if you need stuff like this, it's time to learn Unix administration.:
[22:19] <mhb> "
[22:19] <mhb> and unix administrations == command line
[22:19] <mhb> no GUI tools should ever change that
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> yep
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> I agree
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> try to write a GUI for dpkg...
[22:20]  * nosrednaekim shudders
[22:21] <mhb> many have tried, and failed :o)
[22:21] <mhb> I'm aiming low today - just port & polish some guidance tools
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> cool, the one that I would most like to see is mountconfig
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> thats the one which is most used IME
[22:22] <mhb> nosrednaekim: right-o
[22:24] <mhb> nosrednaekim: do you know whether gnome has such a tool?
[22:24] <mhb> I can't seem to find one
[22:24] <mhb> gnome == ubuntu's gnome for me
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> I believe they just got one in hardy... i'm not certain
[22:25] <mhb> nosrednaekim: ah, you have the limited network connection at home, don't you
[22:26] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I can't ask you to take a look then :o)
[22:26] <mhb> nevermind
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> if I had hardy i'd grab it.... it wouldn't be that big.... but I don't
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> !find mount hardy
[22:33] <ubotu> Found: gnome-mount, kio-umountwrapper, libpam-mount, mount, asmounter (and 14 others)
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> mhb: check out gnome-mount....
[22:37] <mhb> nosrednaekim: thanks
[22:39] <mhb> nosrednaekim: that doesn't really configure anything, it's one of the horde of daemons that GNOME uses
[22:39] <mhb> it reads information from the registry
[22:39] <mhb> and mounts it using HAL
[22:39] <nosrednaekim> oh... ok
[23:58] <jussio1> Just a quick word for anyone who is working on kde4, It wold be great to have you also in the official kubuntu kde4 support channel, #kubuntu-kde4 :)