[00:17] \sh_away: thanks for the revu :) [00:19] awen_: I don't find it in any way superior to apt. The times it can figure out a path that apt can't, I can manage and that's no real benifit compared it aptitude's cache getting confused and insisting my entire kde needs to be removed (has happened to me). [00:22] ScottK2: I use both of them for different purposes... the aptitude safe-upgrade is good when running alpha and an upgraded package with missing dependencies is precent in the archive; and the console interface for looking at packages is also nice [00:22] Riddell: gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is in the queue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=gtk-qt [00:22] apt-get dist-upgrade gets you the same thing. [00:23] ScottK: you mean that apt-get upgrade = aptitude safe-upgrade ? [00:24] Yes [00:25] It used to be called aptitude dist-upgrade until the aptitued devs changed it for reasons that completely escape me. [00:26] ScottK: aptitude still has dist-upgrade ... {safe|full|dist}-upgrade [00:28] * awen_ now sees that full-upgrade and dist-upgrade are synonyms === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [02:53] anyone know how ot get system-config-samba with kde4? [02:54] ForzaPalermo: install the kde3 system settings. [02:55] nosrednaekim, ? [02:55] how do i do that? [02:56] wait... is that the kde3 system settings module, or the gnome module? [02:57] it uses gnome [02:57] had no problem with kde3 [02:57] loads fine [02:57] here it asks for my root password [02:57] then nothing [02:57] ForzaPalermo: ah.. right, run it from the command line with "kdesudo " [02:59] nothin [02:59] kde 4 has been nothing but headaches :( [03:01] any other ideas? [03:01] ForzaPalermo: if its a gtk app, try running it with gksu [03:02] na, wont load [03:05] there any debs around for the svn kde4.1 [03:05] not yet [03:05] you could go use debian though [03:05] what do u mean? [03:05] the distro? [03:05] yeah [03:05] Is this Gutsy or Hardy? [03:05] debain has 4.1packages [03:05] debian don't have theirs up yet if they are working on them [03:06] those packages work with kubuntu? [03:06] The Debian 4.1 snapshots aren't actually in Debian yet. [03:06] ForzaPalermo: no, no, i'm just saying that if you want to use 4.1 you will have to use debain [03:08] alright thanks guys === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [06:00] nixternal: only because i'm not there :P [06:26] but you are here :p [06:27] nixternal->sleep(); [06:27] k'nite [06:27] * Jucato follows suite === hunger_t is now known as hunger [08:20] hmm, why is bug number 1 on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu ? [08:26] stdin: LOL that very funny [10:39] hi someone told me yesterday where i could find kubuntu logos and ubuntu on ubuntupage [10:39] does anyone know the link === Nookie^ is now known as Noq^ [11:32] Riddell: when you come back.. i need to leave now. here is a image for RC i have created.. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3138/kubuntuboxnookiekw9.png [11:32] Noq^: try https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Official [11:33] stdin: found it but thanx anyway === Noq^ is now known as Nookie^ === Nookie^ is now known as Nookie^away === NthDegree is now known as forcerain === forcerain is now known as NthDegree === Artemis__Fowl is now known as Artemis_Fowl [11:55] after updating to hardy my kde3 splash shows no graphics [11:56] and during the update when asked to choose which config file should be used the "Next>>" buttons are irritating as they make the dialog appear sometimes [11:56] that made me think it crashed at first === pgquiles__ is now known as pgquiles [13:30] trying kubuntu 8.04 beta in vbox [13:30] seems the default wallpaper has been replaced [13:30] probably due to the aspect ratio problem [13:34] i can't say anything now... [13:34] the default style and window decoration isn't as good as 7.10's [13:34] i want polyester back! [13:35] yao_ziyuan: then get it back [13:35] i think the best combination is polyester style + polyester window [13:35] and 8.04 beta's wallpaper is too mundane [13:35] that Tend To Zero is actually a very good and inspiring one [13:35] it just can't adapt to different screen resolutions [13:36] there is a workaround: [13:36] by default, use "Scale & Crop" as the wallpaper drawing option [13:37] or better: if the current wallpaper is not exactly the same size as the current screen, then automatically set to "Scale & Crop" as the default [13:39] I get an issue with kdm on hardy beta [13:40] if I logout, i get a black screen [13:40] Dekans: do you have an ATI card? [13:40] no it's a nvidia [13:40] i know you guys want to mimic windows xp... [13:41] makes it look as dumb as possible [13:41] so the dumb majority will adopt it... [13:41] you know, win xp is dumb... [13:41] Dekans: you may want to ask in #ubuntu+1... [13:41] if they can't solve it, file a bug [13:43] i played with PCLinuxOS 2007. its look is most similar to xp [13:44] okay I'll do it [13:47] let me tell you guys what looks good: [13:48] 1. Polyester style + Polyester window + default kubuntu 7.10 color scheme: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/workspace080228.png?gda=eagiskQAAACGqirY5nHUpt9oVyi7lmg1Ryes1Ae_r_26J5OutG9lVGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDSi_7LkP3M6egTwwyaOk0t9IegfnwZa-Ew6rpGDNRO6hA [13:49] 2. Polyester style + Polyester window + kubuntu 7.10's "Polyester Orange" color scheme + Tend-To-Zero-(Hot) wallpaper: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/%E6%88%91%E7%9A%84%20%E6%BB%A1%E5%9C%B0%E7%BA%A2%20%E6%A1%8C%E9%9D%A2.png?gda=xDfmN3YAAACGqirY5nHUpt9oVyi7lmg1Ryes1Ae_r_26J5OutG9lVGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDRuvQL_2aXrHpkK98OZ1RGXS7Uak5YB2GYUdUKhqhlpDB9QO5YuzggilrGxGjW-AoqBnU_2Acz3tqO4i2KXL8AQT4UiRSvtnlU6232iqWRRZQ [13:49] those who don't think they're beautiful, raise your hands [13:50] ... [13:51] those poly-orange buttons don't look too great. [13:52] yao_ziyuan: btw, it's a holiday in most countries, and a wekeend. [14:03] Hobbsee: buttons? aren't they the same buttons just with a different color scheme [14:03] yao_ziyuan: yeah, but it really shows them up as looking quite dirty [14:03] dirty? i think the window titlebar buttons (minimize, maximize, close) are a little dirty [14:03] but the pushbuttons are good [14:04] wintitle ones were what i meant [14:05] i think so too [14:05] too late for hardy, though, and most of the artists don't read irc [14:05] but after a while i think it's a feature :) [14:05] not too late [14:05] you've hit UI freeze. [14:05] these things can change in the last minute [14:05] long ago [14:05] don't be so inflexible [14:05] .... [14:06] i agree that Polyester's "Glass window buttons" are dirty [14:07] but when applied with Kubuntu 7.10's default color scheme, it becomes so good: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/workspace080228.png?gda=eagiskQAAACGqirY5nHUpt9oVyi7lmg1Ryes1Ae_r_26J5OutG9lVGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDSi_7LkP3M6egTwwyaOk0t9IegfnwZa-Ew6rpGDNRO6hA [14:07] this one is not dirty, right? [14:07] .... [14:07] if only it can have a red version, too [14:08] Riddell: speaking of which, you're not planning to put a new default windeco into hardy now, are you? [14:10] Riddell: or are all the books, etc, not using kubuntu? [14:10] that ugliness is due to Polyester's "button style". it can be Glass, Gradient, Reverse Gradient, Flat [14:10] Hobbsee: he's out till tomorrow [14:10] Glass causes the dirtiness [14:10] jpatrick: yeah, thought so [14:14] there is another way: [14:14] Kubuntu 7.10's Polyester Orange Juice color scheme + Polyester style + Crystal window [14:14] this creates a red look without ugly window buttons [14:15] hmmm, looks like qtcurve is supposed to have gone thru [14:15] so much for UI freezes or anything. [14:16] but Crystal window has its own problems. ignore me. [14:19] consider this look for 8.04: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/workspace080228.png?gda=eagiskQAAACGqirY5nHUpt9oVyi7lmg1Ryes1Ae_r_26J5OutG9lVGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDSi_7LkP3M6egTwwyaOk0t9IegfnwZa-Ew6rpGDNRO6hA [14:19] yao_ziyuan: have you seen the release schedule? [14:19] ... [14:19] the wallpaper is optional [14:19] it has a meaning for me personally [14:20] particularly the part on UI freeze? [14:20] the day i registered to my college is a rainy day [14:20] which was...a month ago? [14:20] let's twist time [14:21] and notify anyone who's planning to publish books with screenshots of kubuntu hardy, which will now be obsolete. yes. [14:21] sounds like an awesome plan.... so good for our reputation. [14:21] exactly. [14:22] i think people can still understand illustrations in books [14:22] and they will so appreciate that the actual distro has a better look [14:23] * Hobbsee decides to walk away, instead of further arguing. [14:23] let 7.10 users judge [14:23] * Hobbsee will likely stamp it with the big rubber "no" stamp, when it gets to the ubuntu release team. [14:24] i think many of them will go back with Polyester [14:24] they needed to have a poll and decide months ago. [14:24] like, >1 month. [14:24] was there a poll? [14:24] did you set one up? [14:25] did you email the kubuntu-developers ML with these mockups at all, any time in the past 2 months? [14:26] i thought the alpha 6 look is final [14:26] sigh [14:27] i didn't expect someone changed it all [14:27] probably with evil intention [14:27] a microsoft spook [14:27] * Hobbsee is fairly certain those with commit rights are not evil. [14:28] if so many developers and testers didn't notice the look change is a regression, then maybe it's acceptable... [14:29] this sleeping society... only me is waken... :) [14:29] * nosrednaekim watches the cluebat hit yao_ziyuan [14:29] * Hobbsee is still uncertain as to why the licence wasn't checked on the original image, before putting it in... [14:29] nosrednaekim: i've not put on my "i am the release manager" hat yet. [14:30] Hobbsee: :) [14:30] well, one of them. [14:30] * Hobbsee is double checking with the head RM first, but is fairly certain of what he'll say [14:30] start a coup [14:30] overthrow the scheme [14:31] *schedule [14:31] there are good reasons for the schedule. it's long been public. it's not my fault that you weren't organised. [14:31] well, [14:31] what if it's a bug? [14:32] then, as it's a UI change, it'll still need a UI exception, which i don't think you'll get at this point. [14:35] well! [14:35] there's still something you guys can do [14:35] put Polyester back to the Styles list and Window Decorations list [14:36] and add a "Kubuntu 7.10 color scheme" to the Color Schemes list [14:36] you should be able to add colour schemes, or make a package of nice kubuntu colour schemes [14:37] and stick it in universe, probably [14:37] actually, i care more about the Languages feature [14:37] so, have you gotten that fixed? [14:37] no [14:37] i want a simple Languages list [14:38] where each item is an available language with a checkbox before it [14:38] have you emailed the list saying what neesd to be done, and presented a patch? [14:38] no patch [14:38] if not both, have you at least done the first/ [14:38] i did the first [14:39] good. any traction? [14:42] my bug report is about the scim setup [14:42] but now i have a new demand: [14:42] i just want a simple Language Selector like Ubuntu's and Fedora's [14:42] it is a simple listbox control [14:43] if the user wants to enable a language (including install if needed), he just checkes the checkbox before that language [14:43] likewise he can uncheck a language [14:43] if chinese is checked, scim will be automatically installed and configured and run [14:43] Ubuntu and Fedora already can do that. i want kubuntu to do it also [14:49] is he gone? [14:50] seems to be :) [14:55] how do you add tabs to a tab widget in desginer-qt4? [14:56] right it and I think there's an option [14:56] ah.. its called a "page" [14:56] thanks === evalles is now known as effie_jayx === TheImp is now known as TheInfinity [16:29] hi! may I get support here for ebox in hardy? [16:30] davebv: Try #ubuntu-server [16:31] ok! hanks [16:31] thanks === Nookie^away is now known as Nookie^ === Nookie^ is now known as Noq^ [18:21] good afternoon, in kde4 and dolphin when i right click on a folder and select sharing, it is lookin gofr kcm4shell fileshell which can't be found, what is kcmshell4 fileshare [18:23] apparently a kde4 system settings module [18:23] not working here either [18:24] hrmm so what would then be the easiest way to configure a folder for windows sharing? [18:24] and one which isn't installed [18:25] are you on kde4 only? no kde3 stuff around? [18:26] kde4 so far [18:26] fresh install of hardy kde4 [18:26] well besides konversatation [18:26] hm, no filesharing kcm4 ... that sounds like a missing dependency [18:28] apachelogger: yes but what dependcy and how can i help track it down? [18:30] * apachelogger diggs in [18:32] jjesse: what does `dpkg -s kdebase-data-kde4` say? [18:33] helps if i can spell :0 [18:33] !pastebin [18:33] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [18:34] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60576/ [18:34] priority is optional [18:35] but it is installed [18:36] hm [18:38] ah [18:38] wrong package :D [18:38] jjesse: `dpkg -s kdenetwork-filesharing-kde4` [18:40] not installed and no info is available [18:40] there is the missing dep :) [18:40] jjesse: thanks [18:40] apachelogger: no thank you for helping [18:41] do i have to restart to load that lib? [18:41] cause still getting command not found [18:42] kbuildsycoca4 should fix it [18:43] nope still gettting file not found [18:45] hm [18:45] jjesse: are you in bug finding mode? :P [18:45] sure why not :) [18:45] anything i can do to help [18:46] jjesse: kdesudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kcmshell4 filesharing [18:47] ok let me paste bin as a long output [18:47] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60580/ [18:48] ah [18:48] my bad, sorry [18:48] jjesse: kdesudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kcmshell4 fileshare [18:48] that should work [18:49] correct that does work [18:49] no worries on that [18:49] however crashwhen i click on add [18:50] would a back trace help or do i need some debugging package addedfirst? [18:51] jjesse: you need kdenetwork-dbg-kde4 [18:51] how about kde4libs-dbg? [18:52] how bout both? [18:52] that is a dep of kdenetwork-dbg [18:52] dep == both + even more [18:52] jjesse: please report this bug on bugs.kde.org if you have time [18:52] apachelogger: sure i will do [18:52] thanks [18:52] np thanks for the help [18:53] i'll attach everything we did [18:53] be back in a bit [18:53] hm [18:53] who knows in which bzr branch kubuntu-kde4-meta resides? [19:19] back [19:19] filing bug right now [19:20] !kde4 [19:20] KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [19:22] apachelogger: what package does that go against? [19:33] apachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159709 [19:33] KDE bug 159709 in knetwork "unable to use file sharing through dolphin -- file not found" [Normal,Unconfirmed] === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [21:54] howdy, partners [21:55] how's everyone? hope well [21:55] happy Easter to everyone [21:55] do you know if anyone is going to do anything with the guidance configuration tools? [21:56] some new blood, volunteers and the like? [21:56] mhb: happy easter, mate, hope you're well too :) [21:56] or old dogs doing new tricks? [21:57] I know nosreakin's working on the printer thing [21:57] jpatrick: I'm very well, I've passed some small mid-term exams (is that how they're called?) last week, and I've got sunday and monday free [21:57] jpatrick: other than that, nobody spoke about pykde4 migration? [21:58] mid-term exams is the term :) [21:58] jpatrick: I think I'm going to check if I can still write some python today, so I'm checking first to avoid duplicating stuff [21:59] by the way, what's your opinion on this policykit stuff? [21:59] mhb: not much in the backlog... and our leader is off till tomorrow [22:00] are you seeing it as a neat feature or rather as a useless un-unix principle that worsens performance and complicates code? [22:00] (guess what my opinion is) [22:02] jpatrick: no opinion on it? [22:02] * jpatrick isn't up to date with teh policykit stuff [22:04] jpatrick: no gnome on your system, eh? [22:04] ah, just the fellow I'd like to meet [22:04] hi nosrednaekim [22:04] hope you're doing well [22:04] hey mhb... I am kinda... a bit singed right now [22:04] mhb: no gnome what so ever, apart from the dependencies of vim-full [22:04] singed? what's that? [22:05] jpatrick: that explains it - the "Unlock" button is all over the gnome UI [22:05] mhb: as in burnt..... just put out a mini-forest fire here [22:05] nosrednaekim: as in wounded? Physically? [22:05] nosrednaekim: or is it a metaphor I'm not getting? [22:06] uhh yeah.... literally, my hair is burnt and so are my eyebrows [22:07] .. [22:09] sorry [22:09] evil connection [22:10] nosrednaekim: wth, don't you listen to Smokey the Bear? [22:10] :) [22:10] nixternal: talk to my mom 'bout that [22:10] I bet you stink...I hate that singe smell [22:10] threw out hot ashes... [22:10] d'oh [22:10] nosrednaekim: anyway, are you working on any of the guidance modules? [22:10] mhb: < nosrednaekim> uhh yeah.... literally, my hair is burnt and so are my eyebrows [22:10] nosrednaekim: or do you know people are? [22:11] mhb: I am working on system-config-printer.... but other than that I am not away of any development of guidance going on [22:11] and thats really not guidance [22:11] okay, thanks [22:13] I think only the wine configurator needs to get ported.... and I guess mountconfig [22:13] userconfig? [22:14] or is there a better tool for that in KDE4? [22:14] hrm... apparently that too. [22:14] I'm not really following the recent development there; I've never been attached to the KDE upstream project much. [22:15] too much design by committee for me, I guess :o) [22:15] you like benevolent dictator methods? [22:16] if I like the dictator, yes [22:16] benevolent or not? :o [22:17] non-benevolency has its advantages [22:17] people have the tendency to add countless features and overcomplicate [22:17] KDE UI is a good example [22:18] yup..... or remove countless feature... [22:18] that's me :o) [22:19] there's a thin line after which you should say "Stop. Do not add that - if you need stuff like this, it's time to learn Unix administration.: [22:19] " [22:19] and unix administrations == command line [22:19] no GUI tools should ever change that [22:19] yep [22:19] I agree [22:20] try to write a GUI for dpkg... [22:20] * nosrednaekim shudders [22:21] many have tried, and failed :o) [22:21] I'm aiming low today - just port & polish some guidance tools [22:21] cool, the one that I would most like to see is mountconfig [22:22] thats the one which is most used IME [22:22] nosrednaekim: right-o [22:24] nosrednaekim: do you know whether gnome has such a tool? [22:24] I can't seem to find one [22:24] gnome == ubuntu's gnome for me [22:25] I believe they just got one in hardy... i'm not certain [22:25] nosrednaekim: ah, you have the limited network connection at home, don't you [22:26] nosrednaekim: I can't ask you to take a look then :o) [22:26] nevermind [22:27] if I had hardy i'd grab it.... it wouldn't be that big.... but I don't [22:33] !find mount hardy [22:33] Found: gnome-mount, kio-umountwrapper, libpam-mount, mount, asmounter (and 14 others) [22:34] mhb: check out gnome-mount.... [22:37] nosrednaekim: thanks [22:39] nosrednaekim: that doesn't really configure anything, it's one of the horde of daemons that GNOME uses [22:39] it reads information from the registry [22:39] and mounts it using HAL [22:39] oh... ok [23:58] Just a quick word for anyone who is working on kde4, It wold be great to have you also in the official kubuntu kde4 support channel, #kubuntu-kde4 :)