[00:00] <Brent^> cyclonut: :P thats what I meant
[00:00] <cwillu> cyclonut, that shouldn't be possible
[00:00] <cyclonut> cwillu, haha, no, it shouldnt be.
[00:00] <cwillu> cyclonut, did you add it to /etc/modules?
[00:00] <luca__> noelferreira: definitely :)
[00:00] <cwillu> check it
[00:00] <noelferreira> luca__,can you give me a copy of your sources.list? i think i messed up mine
[00:00] <cyclonut> Brent^, use synaptic, install compiz config settings manager
[00:00] <luca__> !pastebin
[00:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[00:00] <cyclonut> cwillu, I did, it is there, and modprobe points to the bcm43xx driver
[00:01] <Prometheuss> anyone know where the restricted driver manager is on the alternate install?
[00:01] <cwillu> cyclonut, kill it
[00:01] <cwillu> cyclonut, /etc/modules will load despite the blacklist
[00:01] <luca__> noelferreira: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60473/
[00:01] <luca__> uhm by the way I am actually downloading from locale servers :)
[00:02] <cyclonut> cwillu, just did modprobe -r bcm43xx... what would you recommend next (should we take this to PM)
[00:02] <luca__> you might wanna change that later, after you have put the new sources.list in place
[00:02] <Prometheuss> invite me too I need to get that set up
[00:02] <Prometheuss> bcm43xx
[00:02] <flipstar> Prometheuss: the restriceted driver manager is now calles driver manager
[00:02] <Prometheuss> k
[00:02] <cwillu> cyclonut, was it in /etc/modules though?
[00:02] <cwillu> missed that
[00:03] <gew> after upgrading 125 packages wifi died :) i am using b43
[00:03] <cwillu> prometheus, check that as well, you shouldn't have bcm-anything in /etc/modules
[00:03] <cyclonut> cwillu - nope
[00:03] <noelferreira> thanks luca__
[00:03] <luca__> no problem
[00:03] <cwillu> cyclonut, that's really weird
[00:03] <luca__> gew: it's not the driver
[00:03] <Dandel> !audio
[00:03] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[00:03] <gew> luca__: k
[00:04] <gew> luca__: i was gona google but is too early
[00:04] <gew> unless bugzilla is on
[00:04] <luca__> gew: it's probably the same problem as for me and noelferreira - set to download from main repos and update
[00:04] <cyclonut> cwillu: :-P
[00:04] <gew> luca__: k , i'll give it a try
[00:04] <luca__> gew: you should update, among others, libhal1 - I *think* that should do the trick
[00:04] <cyclonut> cwillu: well, im not entirely sure what to do with b43-fwcutter after install
[00:04] <cwillu> sudo b43-fwcutter
[00:04] <noelferreira> luca__ here they come :)
[00:05] <luca__> noelferreira: nice and smooth :)
[00:05] <Prometheuss> driver-manager is not installed
[00:05] <cyclonut> cwillu, it wants options
[00:05] <luca__> you won't need to reboot either I think
[00:05] <noelferreira> luca__ i think the problem was 'hal'
[00:05] <cwillu> cyclonut, :/
[00:05] <luca__> yes indeed
[00:05] <cwillu> cyclonut, try -w /lib/firmware
[00:06] <Brent^> I'm new to Ubuntu/linux/unix/whatever. Anything special commands I should know about? any bad advice I should watch out for (like the "delete system32" advice for windows)?
[00:06] <mcquaid> can i delete an existing partition and resize another with the alt cd?
[00:06] <mcquaid> or does that require the gui?
[00:07] <cyclonut> cwillu: hrmm, nothing yet
[00:07] <luca__> Brent^: first thing, if you are new, you should NOT be using this beta
[00:07] <Brent^> cool
[00:07] <luca__> Brent^: it's safer to use the default system, ubuntu 7.10 "gutsy gibbon" :)
[00:07] <TuTUXG_> mcquaid, yes u can
[00:07] <cwillu> Brent^, be wary before running commands that strangers tell you to run in the terminal
[00:07] <mcquaid> TuTUXG_, thx
[00:08] <cyclonut> cwillu: excuse the newbie question, but could you tell me how to get the ID of my of my driver from modprobe?
[00:08] <cwillu> Brent^, rm -rf is a bad one (it's a recursive delete)
[00:08] <luca__> Brent^: here it is home of the brave, curious and stupid (like myself ;) )
[00:08] <TuTUXG_> mcquaid, wait what fs do u want to resize?
[00:08] <luca__> cyclonut: try lsmod
[00:08] <luca__> and then grep for probable names
[00:08] <luca__> cyclonut: for example, for nvidia, lsmod |grep nvidia
[00:08] <mcquaid> actually shouldn't have said resize, destroy two parts (one ext3 one resier) and reformat together as one ext3
[00:09] <luca__> ok cool
[00:09] <mcquaid> no moving required, the parts are beside each other
[00:09] <luca__> going to bed, ye
[00:09] <TuTUXG_> mcquaid, ya, u can do that
[00:09] <Dandel> sheesh... any idea on why /dev/null keeps changing permissions?
[00:09] <cwillu> Dandel, are you chmodding it?
[00:09] <cyclonut> cwillu, hrmm, I've got a listing for 'b44'
[00:09] <cwillu> if so, why?
[00:09] <cwillu> cyclonut, yep
[00:09] <Brent^> is there a book of all the commands or something I can look at somewhere?
[00:09] <cwillu> cyclonut, I've got that too
[00:10] <flipstar> !bash | Brent^
[00:10] <ubotu> Brent^: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[00:10] <Dandel> cwillu, no, but i haft to chmod it to remove errors with bash.
[00:10] <cwillu> Brent^, man <command name>, apropos <general topic to find commands about>
[00:10] <cwillu> Dandel, it doesn't actually exist, it'll get regenerated by udev on every boot
[00:10] <flipstar> Brent^: you probably in the wrong channel.. try #linux or #ubuntu
[00:11] <Dandel> well then why the heck is it set to where only root can read and write to it by default?
[00:11] <Brent^> every time I've asked a question so far I get redirected here :P
[00:11] <bastid_raZor> anyway to see which repo a package came from?
[00:11] <noelferreira> cwillu, that's it just re-update. everything works now
[00:11] <cyclonut> cwillu, lol, modprobe -l | grep 43 yields the b43 driver, the bcm43xx, and b43legacy drivers
[00:12] <cwillu> Brent^, the problem being that hardy is still veteran territory;  just consider this a crash course :p
[00:12] <cwillu> noelferreira, yay :)
[00:12] <cwillu> Dandel, sec, let me glance at it
[00:12] <flipstar> Dandel: here i have no problem accessing it via normal user ..
[00:12] <Dandel> auto detect on sound cards is also busted... i haft o manually detect my sound card every time.
[00:12] <gew> i guess luca left
[00:13] <Brent^> cwillu: if I can learn a programming language in a week, I'm sure I'll have the hang of this in no time
[00:13] <cwillu> Dandel, after it resets itself, can you do a ls -l /dev/null and paste the output here?
[00:13] <Dandel> flipstar: i did a fresh upgrade from gutsy and i'm currently trying to debunk what goes wrong with that... last time i did this it killed the install completely.
[00:13] <cwillu> Brent^, it's the libraries stupid :)
[00:13] <tomd123> brent^: point and click is easy, master the command line if your up for a challenge :P
[00:13] <gew> noelferreira: did u have a problem with b43
[00:14] <Dandel> cwillu: i already changed it.... but i know what it's merms where before.
[00:14] <gew> cause i am having hte same problem
[00:14] <cwillu> Brent^, you can learn java in a day or two, but it takes months to get comfortable with the basics of the api
[00:14] <gew> or wireless
[00:14] <Dandel> the permissions went... crw-rw---- or somethin like that
[00:14] <noelferreira> yes gew with nm-applet
[00:14] <gew> noelferreira: how did u fix it
[00:15] <gew> my applet would spin 4ever
[00:15] <gew> and i had to reboot sao i can use eth0
[00:16] <noelferreira> just re-update and there was a new hal release. that's all
[00:16] <Brent^> cwillu: I was already using the windows terminal for everything so I figured this can't have too many more commands then that (yes, I know I was very very wrong)
[00:16] <gew> got it
[00:16] <gew> thanks
[00:16] <cwillu> Brent^, tab is your friend :)
[00:16] <Dandel> other note is i am having issues with sound cards on auto detect...><; ... haft to manually probe em each time... namely cmipci for starters.
[00:16] <noelferreira> gew that's it
[00:16] <gew> noelferreira: thanx
[00:16] <noelferreira> update from main server
[00:17] <cwillu> Brent^, you can add a command to /etc/bash.bashrc that makes tab completion case insensitive, which is really useful
[00:18] <Dandel> cwillu: i am doing a fresh reboot... i'll give you the details in a sec.
[00:18] <cwillu> k
[00:18] <Dandel> it's not related to that, but i need to figure out why the sound cards are not auto detecting alsao.
[00:18] <cyclonut> cwillu, what are your thoughts on my trying ndiswrapper in hardy?
[00:18] <gew> i am doing it now
[00:18] <cyclonut> cwillu, its what I've used since edgy
[00:18] <HorizonXP> hey, I just installed the Hardy AMD64 beta on my laptop, and the Nvidia drivers under "Hardware Drivers" shows a red light, and Not in use
[00:19] <cyclonut> gew - and it works fine?
[00:19] <HorizonXP> any way to fix this?
[00:19] <gew> let it finish
[00:19] <gew> :D
[00:19] <cwillu> cyclonut, it'll work, although I've had troubles with wpa;
[00:19] <cyclonut> cwillu, hrmm, wpa always worked for me and ndiswrapper... Ill try it out
[00:19] <cwillu> cyclonut, depends on the card
[00:19] <Dandel> cwillu: it reads this exactly: crw-rw---- 1 root root 1, 3 2008-03-21 17:06 /dev/null
[00:20] <cwillu> Dandel, this is a fresh install?
[00:20] <gew> brb
[00:20] <coz_> guys if any of you are running compiz fusion and have the show mouse plugin enabled could you run it to see if it is being pixeleated   I want to find out if it is something on my system or a hardy issue
[00:20] <TuTUXG_> i assume the new hal will fix suspend?
[00:20] <Dandel> cwillu: upgrade from gutsy.
[00:20] <cwillu> no /etc/udev jiggery pokery?
[00:20] <cyclonut> I will say that ndisgtk stinks so far though ;)
[00:21] <Dandel> funny, but i got a whole bunch of em that do that junk.
[00:21] <cwillu> Dandel, what does this give you:  grep -i null /etc/udev/rules.d/*
[00:21] <HorizonXP> any ideas on how to enable the NVidia driver?
[00:22] <cwillu> HorizonXP, should be about 3 clicks, unless you've upgraded and previously done envy'ish bad things
[00:22] <cyclonut> HorizonXP, systems > admin > hardware drivers?
[00:22] <HorizonXP> guys, none of those
[00:23] <Dandel> cwillu: it gives this as an output: /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules:KERNEL=="null",                         MODE="0666"
[00:23] <HorizonXP> fresh install, Hardware Drivers shows a red light, and Not in Use
[00:23] <flipstar> just goto admin mode and click enable ..
[00:24] <HorizonXP> the checkbox is checked
[00:24] <jessica> i need help with my networking i have use ndiswrapper to install drivers for my realtek RTL8187B card yet i carnt see it in my network manager
[00:24] <cyclonut> ruh roh
[00:24] <coz_> HorizonXP,   in terminal   gksudo gedit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common tell me waht DISABLED_MODULES says
[00:24] <cyclonut> jessica, dont tell me that, I was just about to try ndiswrapper for basically the same problem :-P
[00:24] <cwillu> sorry, one sec, work on the phone :p
[00:24] <wastrel> hi
[00:25] <HorizonXP> coz_: DISABLED_MODULES=""
[00:25] <jessica> dose anyone know how i can fix my network
[00:25] <coz_> HorizonXP,  and did you install the drivers thorugh restricted manger or did you install this manually from nvidia
[00:26] <HorizonXP> coz_: fresh install, so I guess thru Restricted Manager/Hardware Drivers
[00:26] <coz_> HorizonXP,   in terminal      nvidia-xconfig
[00:26]  * cwillu , some this program won't open.    """Okay, that means you unplugged a network cord"""
[00:26] <cyclonut> jessica, your network card seems to be being very problematic in hardy at the moment.
[00:27] <cwillu> why do people need to unplug things?
[00:27] <HorizonXP> coz_: apparently I have to apt-get it, so doing that now
[00:27] <flipstar> jessica: you tried ndiswapper?
[00:27] <cwillu> Dandel, did you say you had scripts or something that touch /dev/null?
[00:27] <Dandel> no.
[00:27] <Joe__> I just had a few questions about Hardy... what's the testers general feeling on it so far?
[00:27] <jessica> yes im using ndiswrapper
[00:28] <jessica> it wont show in my network manager
[00:28] <bazhang> Joe__: some would say awesome
[00:28] <cwillu> it's been out for 1 day as a beta, but 90% of the people in this channel are here because they're having problems :p
[00:28] <Dandel> it's called bash when i login errors heavily about that and when that is enabled i can't get in to gnome either( and the later is still iffy on non root logins )
[00:28] <HorizonXP> coz_: came up with a VALIDATION ERROR, but then wrote a new xorg.conf, and saved a backup; is that what I want?
[00:28] <Joe__> what version of gnome are they using?
[00:28] <bazhang> Joe__: kde4
[00:28] <wastrel> hey i've been having problems for way longer than 1 day
[00:28] <cwillu> Dandel, sudo grep -r -i null /etc/*
[00:29] <cwillu> Dandel, it'll take a few minutes
[00:29] <coz_> HorizonXP, well is shouldnt have done that for sure
[00:29] <cwillu> Dandel, but I'm suspecting your old install is doing something silly, because that udev line is creating it with the right permissions
[00:29] <coz_> HorizonXP, you know how to use the back up right
[00:29] <HorizonXP> coz_: this a bug I should file?
[00:29] <cwillu> Dandel, aka, something is changing it after it's created
[00:29] <coz_> HorizonXP, restart x if it doesnt boot properly use the back up xorg
[00:29] <HorizonXP> sure thing
[00:29] <cwillu> Dandel, aka, something is changing it after it's created
[00:29] <cwillu> bah
[00:29] <HorizonXP> easy enough, thanks for the help, brb
[00:29] <coz_> HorizonXP, well it didnt work for me either and I just installed the official nvidia driver from nvidia
[00:29] <cwillu> wrong window to hit <up><enter> in :p
[00:30] <coz_> oi
[00:30] <Dandel> cwillu: i'll need to put it up on pastebin since it seem sto be long along with a few errors.
[00:30] <cwillu> yep
[00:31] <gluer> when was the beta released?
[00:31] <cwillu> yesterday
[00:31] <gluer> cheers! downloading now :-)
[00:31] <Dandel> cwillu: it's a huge list... ><;
[00:31] <cwillu> gluer, good at troubleshooting?
[00:31] <gluer> hopefully
[00:31] <bazhang> ;]
[00:32] <cwillu> Dandel, :/, ya, I see that now
[00:32] <Joe__> KDE4 looks nice too... any of you using multiple monitors?  If so, how many and any issues so far?
[00:32] <cyclonut> jessica - I can confirm that ndiswrapper is not working for me, either.
[00:32] <Dandel> cwillu: nothin there that looks like it might modify it.
[00:33] <automat> anyone having problems with networkmanager eating 100% cpu?
[00:33] <cwillu> automat, update again
[00:33] <cyclonut> im not getting ANY notice of my wireless card in wlan. Not only that, my card wont even turn on.
[00:33] <cwillu> afaik there's an update already for that
[00:33] <jessica> ok at least i know that im not alone with this problem
[00:33] <automat> cwillu: in the lsat half hour?
[00:33] <Dandel> only the one that sets the mode to 0666.
[00:33] <automat> *last
[00:34] <cwillu> maybe not then;  somebody told me a few minutes back that an update had fixed it, but it's off the scrollback already, so I can't find it
[00:34] <automat> hrm.  i should have come earlier :)
[00:34] <jessica> no my wireless carnt isnt on ether
[00:34] <cwillu> I haven't updated my laptop to beta yet, but it worked when I updated it two days ago
[00:34] <jessica> i have posted a post on LQ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/realtek-rtl8187b-wont-show-in-hardy-629765/#post3096482
[00:34] <flipstar> you can still see on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[00:35] <jessica> if you want to keep track of it cyclout
[00:35] <cyclonut> jessica, yep, thanks
[00:35] <cyclonut> jessica, have you tried b43-fwcutter?
[00:35] <jessica> no i havnt
[00:35] <EruditeHermit> to all having problems with wireless, downgrade hal and libhal1 to 0.5.10 version
[00:36] <cyclonut> jessica, you might try removing ndiswrapper and trying sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[00:36] <jessica> im installing it now
[00:36] <jessica> thanks
[00:36] <cyclonut> dont do it through synaptic
[00:36] <cyclonut> apparently there is a problem doing it graphically
[00:37] <HorizonXP> coz_: didn't work, had to revert to backup
[00:37] <jessica> i dont like synaptic i prefer command line
[00:37] <coz_> HorizonXP, ok  you left before I said that
[00:38] <Tuv0k> whats the cmd to get the preset server package list?
[00:38] <coz_> HorizonXP,   not sure what the  issue is I know i had the same problem with hardy and thats why I installed the nvidia driver from nvidia however I dont suggest that unless you know what to do
[00:38] <Tuv0k> I always forget
[00:38] <jessica> how do i use b43-fwcutter
[00:38] <HorizonXP> coz_: well, I'd need to look up the instructions to install the driver, but I'm sure I could do it...
[00:38] <automat> flipstar: thanks.  it sounds like it was a problem with hal and networkmanager.  an update for hal was just pushed out.  i'm not sure if it's fixed, though.
[00:38] <HorizonXP> coz_: but ultimately, that's the only solution?
[00:38] <coz_> HorizonXP, hold on
[00:39] <cyclonut> jessica, Ive read that simply installing it and going through the little terminal gui will fix things for some folk
[00:39] <EruditeHermit> you can download from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/
[00:39] <coz_> HorizonXP, that I cant answer unless someone here has a different approach
[00:39] <orkun> where do i set how many viewports i have?
[00:39] <Dandel> EruditeHermit: do you have any idea why the upgrade from ubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 will stop detecting sound cards?
[00:40] <jessica> terminal GUI its probly me because im a noobie but its terminal command line and everything else GUI
[00:40] <EruditeHermit> Dandel: nope it works with mine
[00:40] <HorizonXP> coz_: ok, that's fine, that's what I'll do
[00:40] <coz_> HorizonXP,  you can read here   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[00:40] <EruditeHermit> orkun: right click the window selector in bottom right corner and click preferences
[00:40] <alex_mayorga> has bug 200338 fix been released already?
[00:40] <cyclonut> jessica, correct, but sometimes they put gui-ish things in the terminal... i.e. you can select from two options (yes or no)
[00:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[00:40] <HorizonXP> coz_: I'll give Hardy this though, the only thing that didn't work was the video card; but that's because it's proprietary, so totally understandable for a beta :D
[00:40] <coz_> HorizonXP,  the DISAB LED_MODULES we checkd earlier you will need to change as that tell on that link but you have to uninstall the driver you have onboard now first
[00:40] <orkun> okay i had deleted the applet - should not this be found in the menu too?
[00:41] <jessica> ooo i know what you mean
[00:41] <orkun> i just do not use the bottom panel anymore :)
[00:41] <coz_> HorizonXP,  and you will most likely have to run nvidia-xconfig as well
[00:41] <cyclonut> jessica, that said, b43-cutter didnt work for me.
[00:41] <jessica> no i carnt get it working
[00:41] <Dandel> hmm... ok... is /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base still the center for sound card detection?
[00:41] <coz_> HorizonXP,  just read thorugh that several times first
[00:41] <Raspberry> since I ran the updates today I can't connect to my wireless networks ... I've got the Intel 965 a/b/g card ... any thoughts?
[00:41] <EruditeHermit> orkun: right click the panel and click "Add to panel" then click on the workspace switcher
[00:42] <jessica> our card seems to be causing a lot of problems
[00:42] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: do you get 100% cpu usage too?
[00:42] <cyclonut> jessica, yes, it does. Our cards suck.
[00:42] <automat> well, there are no further updates and networkmanager is still hanging with nearly 100% cpu
[00:42] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, I was just going to mention that it seems like the machine is running REALLY hot for just idling
[00:42] <automat> jessica: which card?
[00:42] <cyclonut> jessica, they are based off the broadcom chipset, and they wont release drivers
[00:42] <EruditeHermit> automat: downgrade hal and libhal1 to 0.5.10 versions
[00:43] <jessica> the realtek RTL8187
[00:43] <janusDK> how do I upgrade from Ubuntu 8.04 alpha6 -> beta1?
[00:43] <orkun> nono found and done that :> thanks a lot - but just saying. this is one very important feature - adjusting it effects the whole desktop and the pref should not be hidden inside one of maybe 30 applets one could add - even though that applet is enabled by default :>
[00:43] <EruditeHermit> from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/
[00:43] <cyclonut> automat, and I have the bcm4328 - no luck anywhere for either of us.
[00:43] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: if you get 100% cpu usage too, you should do the same
[00:43] <jessica> o great i have a card that the people wont realse drivers for
[00:43] <Brent^> how do you get that cube effect using compiz? whenever I try to use it I get some flat desktops that are really chopy and the shading is really messed up
[00:43] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, I can see the wireless networks, but trying to connect to them network-manager just spins and  spins
[00:43] <HorizonXP> coz_: the first sentence in that link says this is not the recommended way..... you did it anyway?
[00:43] <orkun> jerks like me tend to disable stuff - especially stuff that gets easily replaced by hotkeys
[00:43] <HorizonXP> coz_: and what's wrong with envy
[00:43] <automat> cyclonut: using the b43legacy driver?
[00:43] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, alright, I'll downgrade hal and libhal1
[00:43] <EruditeHermit> wow lag
[00:44] <coz_> HorizonXP, well 6 months agi would have said nothing is wrong with it today I suggest not using it
[00:44] <automat> EruditeHermit: i'll wait on the downgrade. manual config is working for the moment, so I'll just keep killing networkmanager
[00:44] <cyclonut> automat, at the moment, not really using anything. I've tried b43-fwcutter, bcm43xx-fwcutter, and ndiswrapper to no avail
[00:44] <HorizonXP> coz_: your reasoning is?
[00:44] <coz_> HorizonXP, it changes too many things on the system for anyone to do support if someting goes wrong
[00:44] <janusDK> possible to upgade alpha6->beta1 without downloading new ISO?
[00:44] <ryanpg> hi all... seems like gphoto2 file system is borked atm, anyone else experiencing this?
[00:45] <coz_> HorizonXP, no way to track all the changes down or too many to bother with
[00:45] <HorizonXP> coz_: ok, fair enough, I won't do it then
[00:45] <void^> janusDK: you can always update your system.
[00:45] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, ubuntu seems to completely lose the NIC too.. and booting into windows will show it as "powered off" even though it wasn't the last time I booted... I can boot back into linux... fail to connect to a wireless network and boot back into windows and the WLAN NIC is powered off again... If I turn the NIC back on and  reboot right back into Windows... it's still powered on
[00:45] <coz_> HorizonXP,  it works for some  but otheres usually a reinstall is in order
[00:45] <automat> cyclonut: i have the bcm4306 chipset.  the b43legacy driver is practically useless for me at an average of << 1kB/s
[00:45] <jessica> i would get a new card but if i take my laptop apart i brake my worenty
[00:45] <automat> cyclonut: however, ndiswrapper seems to work for me.
[00:46] <cyclonut> automat, humm. I followed typical ndiswrapper install, and I got no love.
[00:46] <jessica> i carnt get ndiswrapper working for me ether
[00:46] <coz_> HorizonXP,  you are safer using the downloaded driver from nvidia at least with that it can be uninstalled
[00:46] <cyclonut> automat, and it doesnt sound like I want the b43legacy.
[00:46] <automat> i had to try a number of different drivers.
[00:46] <cyclonut> automat, could you send the ones you are using?
[00:46] <jessica> well i hird the 98 driver was the only one that would work
[00:46] <janusDK> void: Simply run normal update manager?
[00:46] <cyclonut> jessica, I used the XP drivers in all previous ubuntu installs :-\
[00:47] <jessica> when i type lsusb: Bus 007 Device 003: ID 0bda:8197 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
[00:47] <automat> cyclonut: what kind of laptop?
[00:47] <void^> janusDK: yes.
[00:47] <cyclonut> automat, dell 640m (e1405)
[00:47] <jessica> in past ubuntu's ive used a linux driver
[00:47] <automat> jessica: same here.  something is horribly broken with the new b43legacy.
[00:47] <cyclonut> jessica, I will say that in gutsy, my card worked out of the box
[00:47] <Dandel> exit brb
[00:48]  * cyclonut contemplates his lost gutsy install...
[00:48] <automat> cyclonut: i'll have to see if i still hvae the drivers floating around.
[00:48] <jessica> in gutsy i had to compile a modified driver every time for boot
[00:49] <TuTUXG_> jessica, what driver?
[00:49] <wastrel> this channel got exciting
[00:49] <jessica> er hold on ill have a look for it
[00:49] <TuTUXG_> ok...
[00:49] <jessica> http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/
[00:49] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: any luck?
[00:50] <Raspberry> alright I'm downgrading libhal and hal to 0.5.10+git20080301-1ubuntu2
[00:50] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, network mgr is sitting at 100% cpi
[00:50] <Raspberry> cpu
[00:50] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, should I reboot or just bounce it?
[00:50] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: kill it
[00:50] <dandel> ok... on the box with the issues... first step might as well be fixing the mouse always being double click ><;
[00:51] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: if you know how to restart hal and network manager you don't need to restart. If in doubt though, just restart
[00:51] <ryanpg> and perhaps related, when I restart dbus I get: * Starting System Tools Backends system-tools-backends                                                     run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/70system-tools-backends exited with return code 1
[00:51] <jessica> i need to get my wireless working i carnt go around plugging a ethernet cable in everyware i go it sorta takes away the idea of a laptop as you carnt take it anyware
[00:51] <gluer> how do i use the b43-fwcutter?
[00:51] <jessica> just follow the GUI like display in terminal
[00:52] <coz_> jessica, did you downlgrade those two things mentioned earlier for wireless?
[00:52] <jessica> what two things
[00:52] <coz_> jessica, hold on let me copy paste
[00:52] <jessica> ok
[00:52] <coz_> jessica,    downgrade hal and libhal1 to 0.5.10 versions
[00:53] <jessica> no i have not tryed that
[00:53] <jessica> how would i go about downgrading
[00:53] <EruditeHermit> jessica: scroll back and look at my posts
[00:53] <jessica> ok
[00:53] <jessica> thanks
[00:53] <Palintheus> does the network issue being discussed also relate to the Intel 3945ABG ?
[00:53] <coz_> EruditeHermit, I dont think she was here you may have to copy paste or repeat the posts for her
[00:53] <nickrud> EruditeHermit: there are new packages in the repo that fixed my hal issues
[00:53] <coz_> but I have to break here   be nice share what you know
[00:54] <bazhang> Palintheus: nay; those work very well ;]
[00:54] <Palintheus> hrm
[00:54] <EruditeHermit> nickrud: I'm not sure they have propagated to all mirrors yet
[00:54] <TuTUXG_> Palintheus, what issue?
[00:54] <EruditeHermit> nickrud: good to know
[00:54] <nickrud> EruditeHermit: nope. I just pointed at the main archive
[00:54] <Palintheus> nm-applet just spinning and spinning
[00:54] <Palintheus> won't connect to my WPA2 network
[00:54] <nickrud> EruditeHermit: that is, they hadn't hit us a half hour ago
[00:54] <Palintheus> Im currently running off the beta liveCD and it connected fine
[00:55] <EruditeHermit> jessica:  downgrade libhal1 and hal to 0.5.10 versions from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/
[00:55] <cyclonut> EruditeHermit, I would just deb install from the packages I find there?
[00:55] <J-_> Does anyone else have a problem with panels freezing when they're set to autohide?
[00:55] <jessica> ok thanks ill give it a go and tell you my outcome
[00:55]  * nickrud wonders why people don't simply switch to the archive.ubuntu.com and get the most recent. 
[00:55] <EruditeHermit> jessica: or if nickrud is right, there is a fix already
[00:56] <jessica> i get error later package is allready installed
[00:56] <jessica> and if there is a fix ware may i find it
[00:56] <nickrud> EruditeHermit: using it now :)
[00:56] <EruditeHermit> jessica: sudo dpkg -i <filename.deb>
[00:56] <J-_> I made a script to killall gnome-panel, restart nm-applet, and show a message I clicked on the the script iwth libnotify.
[00:56] <wastrel> Palintheus: i have the 3945 it works super
[00:56] <jessica> ah right thanks
[00:56] <J-_> Palintheus: same here
[00:56] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, since I downgraded HAL I can't log into a Gnome Session... strange I know
[00:57] <Raspberry> it logs in... but just sits at the tan background
[00:57] <Palintheus> wastrel, J-_ thanks...
[00:57] <nickrud> jessica: system->admin->software sources, choose the Main Archive. Then update your sources. Then run in a terminal, sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:57] <jessica> thanks
[00:57] <Raspberry> Palintheus, same thing here
[00:57] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, I tried rebooting too but that didn't solve it
[00:57] <cyclonut> hrmm
[00:58] <automat> cyclonut: did you get my message?
[00:58] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: ok, get the latest libhal1 and hal from us archive and install it from terminal
[00:58] <Palintheus> thanks Raspberry, wonder what my issue is then :|
[00:58] <syke> heya
[00:58] <syke> just wanted to quickly pop in and say that ndiswrapper is broken again as of yesterday or so
[00:58] <syke> working great, dist-upgraded, and now it's busted again
[00:58] <jessica> i dont understand ware to find main archive
[00:58] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, I'll have to bring it over on
[00:58] <nickrud> jessica: once you've updated your hal stuff from the main archive, you should probably change back to the archive you were using before
[00:58] <Raspberry> a usb drive ;)
[00:58] <syke> my wireless light isn't coming on, so it's not even contacting the hardware correctly
[00:58] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: ok
[00:58] <Raspberry> I can log into KDE4 fine
[00:58] <Raspberry> :P
[00:58] <syke> wanted to mention just in case no one noticed yet
[00:59] <syke> also, powernowd won't stay started but doesn't report any errors either
[00:59] <syke> this is on amd64
[00:59] <syke> bbl
[00:59] <jessica> do you mean main server
[00:59] <EruditeHermit> syke: upgrade again in an hour or so
[00:59]  * Raspberry is running AMD64
[00:59] <dandel> i wonder if doing a fresh cd based install might fix the issue ><;
[00:59] <Palintheus> Raspberry, J-_, wastrel: are you guys on amd64?
[00:59] <Raspberry> Palintheus, yes
[00:59] <Palintheus> yeah just saw, thanks
[00:59] <EruditeHermit> jessica: us.archive.ubuntu.com
[00:59] <Jordan_U> lol "Sorry, the program "firefox" closed unexpectedly Your computer does not have enough free memory to automatically analyze the problem and send a report to the developers."
[00:59] <wastrel> 2.6.22-14-generic
[01:00] <EruditeHermit> nickrud: what version are you using?
[01:00] <EruditeHermit> nickrud: and do you know which version is broken?
[01:00] <mcquaid> normally, when i upgrade to a new version, i usually remove all manually compiled debs (like say via checkinstall or grabbed from getdeb.org)
[01:01] <gluer> 43 mins then i can burn the beta iso, do a fresh install..wax the lot :-)
[01:01] <mcquaid> is that really necessary?
[01:01] <EruditeHermit> gluer: do you have the wireless problem?
[01:01] <nickrud> EruditeHermit: the version on the cd was broken for me (don't have it at hand) and  0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2  is what I'm running now
[01:01] <TuTUXG_> gluer, u finally got it, huh
[01:01] <gluer> wireless and also graphics issue, running a compaq nx6320
[01:01] <EruditeHermit> nickrud: cocol
[01:02] <nickrud> Jordan_U: buy some memory. sheesh.
[01:02] <Raspberry> hmm
[01:02] <nickrud> mcquaid: a very good technique.
[01:02] <Jordan_U> nickrud, 1 GIG + 1.5 GIG swap isn't enough ? :)
[01:03] <Raspberry> I can't find the wireless network util for KDE4 now ... I had it installed... they must be changing theings around
[01:03] <nickrud> Jordan_U: apparently not in the context of your usage?
[01:03] <nickrud> :)
[01:03] <mcquaid> nickrud, ya, i've found one needs to in the past, was hoping it was no longer necessary
[01:03] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: did you install 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2
[01:03] <Jordan_U> nickrud, Firefox was literally the only thing open at the time ( other than gnome )
[01:03] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, no i installed 0.5.10 per your instructions
[01:04] <nickrud> mcquaid: that's been the case forever, even in debian. You can only rely on distro integrated packages in an upgrade
[01:04] <mcquaid> true
[01:04] <jessica> i dont know how to update them ive put the package name in a basicly i just dont understand
[01:04] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: ok, sorry try installing 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2. Download it, put it on the flash drive and install it if you can
[01:04] <nickrud> Jordan_U: heh. I was laughing inside the whole time. It's a lovely message though :)
[01:04] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, I have hal_0.5.10+git20080301-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb and hal_0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[01:05] <mcquaid> should be a way in pinning or something to say, hardy is the latest no matter what.  which i believe is what's indicated during an upgrade, but somehow manually installed software can sometimes be recognized as the latest
[01:05] <Raspberry> I started having problems after updating to hal_0.5.11~rc2 today
[01:05] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2 <--look at the ubuntu2
[01:05] <dandel> !audio
[01:05] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:05] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, duh! ;)  thx
[01:05] <jessica> i want to downgrade my hal but i dont understand how to
[01:06] <jessica> im also having problems with my sound i just want my wireless working fist
[01:06] <EruditeHermit> jessica: don't downgrade, sorry upgrade to 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2
[01:06] <jessica> o ok
[01:06] <nickrud> EruditeHermit: the update I received had libhal1 , libhal1-storage , and hal
[01:06] <jessica> ill have a look
[01:06] <EruditeHermit> jessica: notice the ubuntu2 at the end of that version. ubuntu1 version is broken
[01:07] <nickrud> mcquaid: it's about the version number, that's how the 'later' version is determined.
[01:07] <EruditeHermit> nickrud: can you take over for a sec, I have to pop out
[01:07] <EruditeHermit> brb
[01:07] <nickrud> jessica: what wireless card do you have?
[01:08] <nickrud> jessica: I ask because I am barely adequate with only a couple. The hal fix, I do know how to walk you through.
[01:08] <jessica> realtek RTL8187B
[01:09] <mcquaid> nickrud, in pref distribution in synpatic there is 'always prefer highest version' which is checked but there is also 'prefer versions from'
[01:09] <nickrud> jessica: hm, that one I don't know. But, I can get you to the point where hal is not the problem
[01:09] <alex_mayorga> how to get audio back if supposedly the fix for bug 200338 has already been released?
[01:09] <jessica> well ive just finished upgrading my hal
[01:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[01:09] <jessica> do i need to restart or anything for it to work
[01:10] <mcquaid> you'd think that could be used to ensure it grabs all gutsy hardy whatever and update remove local or obsolete pkgs where necessary
[01:10] <nickrud> mcquaid: true. But, dependencies come into play.
[01:10] <nickrud> jessica: I did
[01:10] <jessica> dose it work when you restart
[01:10] <nickrud> jessica: sometimes I'm too lazy to figure out the manual way, I just restart. It did for me, but I have a bcm4311 and I used b43-fwcutter to get it working properly.
[01:11] <jessica> o ok
[01:11] <jessica> ill do a restart and come back and tell you my situation
[01:11] <nickrud> luck
[01:11] <jessica> well hold on i have 62 updates
[01:11]  * nickrud looks at a nice regression
[01:11] <jessica> maby one of these will help
[01:11] <alex_mayorga> nickrud, any suggestions to get audio back?
[01:11] <EruditeHermit> nickrud: just upgraded too and it works nicely
[01:12] <nickrud> alex_mayorga: I haven't even touched audio in hardy. I've been running it for about 3 hours now total.
[01:12] <jessica> whilst im wating dose anyone know how to get my sound working
[01:13] <dandel> hmm... found a interesting issue.
[01:13] <dandel> /dev/disk/blah is missing.
[01:13] <emma> People in here are Ubuntu power users?
[01:13] <jessica> some are
[01:13] <jessica> this channel is for hardy
[01:14] <wastrel> my sound works
[01:14] <wastrel> except in vlc
[01:14] <jessica> my sound dosnt
[01:14] <alex_mayorga> jessica as per bug 200338 seems like we should use generic latest kernel
[01:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[01:14] <dandel> wastrel: set vlc to use pulse audio.
[01:14] <gew> hey guys my network-manager freezes after a recent upgrade , i need to force reboot
[01:14] <flipstar> jessica: an intelhda ?
[01:14] <dandel> wastrel: It should be an advanced option.
[01:15] <gew> i was told to unmask repos
[01:15] <gew> that did not work
[01:15] <wastrel> k, thanks
[01:15] <jessica> im totally lost
[01:15] <hmuller> not having any sound problems here with latest updates, using snd-hda-intel
[01:15] <gew> i am using b43
[01:15] <EruditeHermit> gew upgrade to  0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2
[01:15] <EruditeHermit> gew: upgrade hal to  0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2
[01:15] <flipstar> jessica: lspci|grep -i Audio
[01:15] <gew> EruditeHermit: let me give it a shot
[01:15] <EruditeHermit> gew: hal libhal1 libhal-storage to  0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2
[01:15] <gew> k
[01:16] <gew> brb
[01:16] <jessica> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[01:16] <EruditeHermit> jessica: what specifically is not working with the audio
[01:16] <flipstar> jessica: the guide didnt helped ?
[01:16] <dandel> EruditeHermit: how do i rebuild /dev/disk and /dev/input ?
[01:16] <flipstar> !intelhda | jessica this here>
[01:17] <EruditeHermit> dandel: they should be created by the kernel
[01:17] <jessica> im readying the guide and nothing works with my sound
[01:17] <dandel> well they are not.
[01:17] <dandel> it's not there at all
[01:17] <dandel> kernel version: 2.6.24-12-generic
[01:18] <Raspberry> I had to connect to archive.ubuntu.com to get the new hal ... none of the other mirrors have it
[01:18] <flipstar> Raspberry: maybe its still in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[01:19] <EruditeHermit> dandel: I'm sorry I don't know what is wrong with your install
[01:19] <dandel> ><; sheesh... upgrade from gutsy to hardy is broken.
[01:19] <dandel> i'm downloading the cd right this minute to burn that, hopefully i can get it to work.
[01:20] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: is it working now?
[01:20] <gew> EruditeHermit: done with the upgrade , i am gona try and connect to my wifi
[01:20] <gew> brb
[01:20] <Raspberry> wow
[01:20] <Raspberry> it is very slow to log into gnome now
[01:21] <Raspberry> it used to take 30 seconds to load gnome ... now it's about 4.5 minutes and it's still no loading... no CPU activity or HDD
[01:22] <Raspberry> still not loading
[01:22] <dandel> Raspberry: try logging in to the terminal.
[01:22] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: have you upgraded the hal yet?
[01:22] <Raspberry> hal is upgraded
[01:22] <Raspberry> and terminal login is instant
[01:22] <EruditeHermit> Raspberry: is wireless working?
[01:23] <dandel> EruditeHermit: i followed down to the letter the upgrade information for going from gutsy to hardy... that's all i did.
[01:23] <Raspberry> EruditeHermit, yes :)  thx!
[01:23] <yaccin> i dont have wireless and sound :(
[01:23] <EruditeHermit> dandel: its a beta. . . sorry
[01:23] <T1m0thy> Hello, I installed 8.04 and was able to connect to the internet through my wireless card the first time I booted. I started installing updates, and then everything but the updates froze. So I finished installing the updates, then restarted. Ever since, my network manager always says network disabled. I've tried restarting, and also when I try to go into the "Network" tool, it just stays all gray like it's loading, and I have to kill 
[01:23] <whuyt> upgraded to 8.04, but can only get gnome failsafe to work. gnome errors and reverts back to login.
[01:23] <dandel> I'm downloading the cd and hopefully that'll fix it.
[01:24] <Raspberry> it's after the gdm login ... when it's still on the GDM background... it takes about 90 seconds to change to my gnome session desktop background... then it's about another 90 seconds for desktop icons to appear and then another 60+ seconds for the gnome panels to appear
[01:24] <EruditeHermit> T1m0thy: whuyt: please upgrade hal , libhal1 libhal-storage to version  0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2
[01:24] <Raspberry> I have tried rebooting and the behavior seems consistant... although now there are a few new updates (7) -- so I'll try it again
[01:24] <whuyt> sudo apt-get hal ?
[01:24] <T1m0thy> EruditeHermit: Both of us..?
[01:25] <EruditeHermit> whuyt: sudo apt-get install hal libhal1 libhal-storage NOTE: it may not be in your local mirror yet so if you can't wait, get it from the central mirror
[01:26] <EruditeHermit> T1m0thy: yes
[01:26] <T1m0thy> Okay.
[01:26] <whuyt> hal is already the newest version.
[01:26] <T1m0thy> uhh, brb
[01:27] <EruditeHermit> whuyt: is it version 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2?
[01:28] <EruditeHermit> whuyt: or  0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu1?
[01:28] <whuyt> its ubuntu1, how do i get 2?
[01:28] <whuyt> i didnt see a central mirror option in repositories?
[01:28] <EruditeHermit> whuyt: wait till it gets to your mirror or get it from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/
[01:29] <whuyt> thank you!
[01:29] <EruditeHermit> whuyt: it takes some time for all the mirrors to sync
[01:29] <whuyt> good to know
[01:30] <hmuller> EruditeHermit: Are all these problems you are helping with a result of upgrading to Hardy from Gutsy?
[01:30] <EruditeHermit> hmuller: yes
[01:30] <EruditeHermit> hmuller: well they are all hal problems
[01:30] <EruditeHermit> hmuller: it just so happened that the update broke hal today of all days
[01:30] <hmuller> EruditeHermit: Yikes, that's why I backup, reinstall and reinstore!
[01:31] <hmuller> restore that is
[01:31] <EruditeHermit> hmuller: well hal has been fine in hardy till today =p
[01:31] <EruditeHermit> hmuller: just bad timing
[01:31] <EruditeHermit> hmuller: it is a beta so you have been warned
[01:31] <hmuller> EruiditeHermit:  I count myself lucky then, no HAL problems
[01:31] <automat> EruditeHermit: so, it turns out the latest updates to hal _did_ fix my problem.  unfortunately I never issued /etc/init.d/hal restart, so I was still having the problem.  everything is hunky-dory now.
[01:32] <dandel> hmuller, your lucky at least your system didn't break heavily... ><; mine has heavy issues.
[01:32] <hmuller> EruditeHermit: I know, this is a testing parition I'm installed on
[01:33] <hmuller> dandel: Does a reinstall help?
[01:33] <dandel> still downloading
[01:33] <dandel> it's heavy weird actions... hmm.
[01:33] <EruditeHermit> dandel: does your mouse work?
[01:33] <EruditeHermit> dandel: what exactly are your problems
[01:33] <dandel> 1) sound cards don't detect at all.
[01:33] <dandel> i haft to manually detect each of those.
[01:33] <AlexHoover> If I installed the Ubuntu BETA, is there a way to get Kubuntu-desktop from the Kubuntu 8.x BETA
[01:34] <EruditeHermit> AlexHoover: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:34] <automat> AlexHoover: all it should take is `sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop`
[01:34] <Hydrogen> DELTA
[01:34] <dandel> eruditehermit: i have 3 modules that detect my sound cards: snd-cmipci, snd-bt78x, and snd-intel8x0
[01:35] <EruditeHermit> dandel: something seems to be wrong with your kernel
[01:35] <AlexHoover> automat, but will it get the kubuntu-desktop from the Kubuntu beta or the one from 7.x?
[01:35] <dandel> then 2 is that /dev/null keeps staying with the wrong permissions.
[01:35] <EruditeHermit> dandel: can you revert back to an older kernel image?
[01:35] <cyclonut> jessica, I found a fix, I think
[01:35] <Timmy> can anyone tell me where in hardy i'll find the screen resolution settings for X? it doesn't appear to be in xorg.conf anymore
[01:35] <dandel> luckily, yes.
[01:35] <EruditeHermit> dandel: try reinstalling the kernel packages
[01:35] <whuyt> eurdite, just to confirm. i installed hal_0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2_i386, libhal1_0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2_i386, and libhal-storage1_0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2_i386
[01:35] <hmuller> Timmy: Are you using GNOME?
[01:35] <dandel> i'll try that.
[01:35] <automat> AlexHoover: as long as you sources.list has all the "hardy" repositories you should be fine.  you're probably fine.
[01:35] <whuyt> gnome should be ok now?
[01:35] <Timmy> hmuller: yes
[01:35] <dandel> and hte third one is a weird one.
[01:35] <EruditeHermit> whuyt: yes
[01:36] <whuyt> thanks again
[01:36] <dandel> the mouse always thinks i am doing a double click
[01:36] <jessica_> i have my wireless picked up on my network network manage
[01:36] <jessica_> *manager
[01:36] <EruditeHermit> dandel: just try reinstalling the kernel image
[01:36] <hmuller> Timmy: Look under System > Preferences > Screen Resolution and ...
[01:36] <cyclonut> jessica, woo!
[01:36] <dandel> EruditeHermit: will do once the file iso finish downloading.
[01:37] <hmuller> Timmy: And you can also run displayconfig-gtk from a terminal, I seem to be missing the icon in the System > Administration menu
[01:37] <Timmy> hmuller: i'm specifically after the .conf file; i'm having issues with setting up a game in wine, and i need to confirm that X recognises a certain resolution/frequency
[01:37] <EruditeHermit> jessica_: cool
[01:38] <jessica_> i am still having problems with wireless now it detects my networks and things when i go to connect it only gets the the one green light not both then the bar
[01:38] <hmuller> Timmy:  My xorg.conf is still in /etc/X11/
[01:39] <dandel> EruditeHermit: i'll reboot in to the gutsy kernel image, hopefull that won't be broken... 2.6.22-14
[01:39] <EruditeHermit> dandel: I hope so
[01:39] <T1m0thy> Sorry, ErudtieHermit, but which version of hal did you specify?
[01:39] <automat> Timmy: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.  if there are no resolutions listed in xorg.conf, X is autoprobing for them.  all supported (and unsupported) resolutions should be listed in the log.
[01:39] <dandel> it was working just before i upgraded.
[01:39] <T1m0thy> meh, typo
[01:39] <Timmy> hmuller: so is mine, however; you may notice that the settings for resolutions are no longer stored in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:39] <dandel> luckily my linux install partition tends to be kept clean.
[01:39] <EruditeHermit> T1m0thy: 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2
[01:39] <T1m0thy> thanks
[01:40] <jessica_> how do i get my wireless to connect
[01:40] <hmuller> Timmy:  I haven't used xorg.conf since I've been testing with Hardy since the beginning of the year ...
[01:40] <jessica_> it has picked up my network it just dosnt connect
[01:40] <dandel> i cancelled the file download... brb... gonna reboot.
[01:40] <automat> Timmy: i believe the autoprobing is controlled by Option "
[01:40] <automat> oops.
[01:40] <hmuller> Timmy:  I have had to use displayconfig-gtk on occasion
[01:41] <automat> Timmy: controlled by Option "DPMS".  if you remove that, you can (or have to) explicitly specify resolutions.
[01:41] <automat> Timmy: or at least that's how I understand it.  i could be entirely wrong.
[01:42] <jessica_> how can i get my wireless to connect
[01:43] <ryanpg> oddly gphoto2 on the command line seems to work fine
[01:43] <automat> jessica_: try ndiswrapper drivers.  but before they will work you have to first rmmod b43legacy, rmmod ssb, rmmod ndiswrapper (just for good measure) and then modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:43] <jessica_> ok thanks
[01:43] <automat> it worked for cyclonut after some tinkering
[01:44] <automat> if you can get the proper windows *.inf driver and ndiswrapper -l shows hardware present, you should be able to make it work.
[01:44] <Timmy> automat: my xorg.conf doesn't have an option for DPMS set. thanks however.
[01:44] <automat> Timmy: hmm.  did you see all the lines of resolutions in the log?
[01:44] <thompa> usb stuff don't work anymore. They come up as usb in gui, but cant mount or unknown
[01:45] <whuyt> erudite. gnome works now but is incredibly unresponsive
[01:45] <ToHellWithGA> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg does nothing
[01:45] <ToHellWithGA> it is as if video is no longer configurable
[01:45] <hmuller> thompa:  I had that problem earlier, take a look at /etc/fstab and ensure that /dev/sd# hasn't been autoset to cdrom
[01:45] <thompa> ToHellWithGA: try sudo -s just in case, but i still had that
[01:46] <automat> Timmy: i guess i can't confirm.  i have my resolutions explicitly specified in my xorg.conf so my laptop will work with external monitors.  i know at some point i saw a ridiculously long list of resolutions from the x server startup.
[01:46] <ryanpg> also, seems like gtkam only works when run as root
[01:46] <thompa> hmuller: what does cdrom do, its walkman and ipod, no os only storage disks
[01:46] <hmuller> automat:  I used to see that in the log ( the long list of resolutins ), but now it's autoset
[01:46] <ToHellWithGA> thompa: that just caused it to barf a lot
[01:47] <automat> hmuller: thanks for confirming... i was starting to think i made the whole thing up.
[01:47] <Timmy> automat: there's a few lines relating to resolution, however it's not as i expected to appear -> log file: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60488/
[01:47] <hmuller> thompa:  You are just looking to make sure that /etc/fstab doesn't think your  /dev/sdb(or above) are cdroms
[01:47] <hmuller> thompa:  I'll copy and paste a line to show you what I had to do
[01:48] <ToHellWithGA> i am disappointed with the video performance of hardy and i heard it could be due to improperly selected video for xorg
[01:48] <thompa> ToHellWithGA: ya its gone anything with dpkg-reconfigure x*
[01:48] <ToHellWithGA> my xorg.conf is pretty much empty
[01:48] <automat> Timmy: no, that's definitely different than what i used to see.  it could be that the output reported is driver specific.  i'm using the open ati drivers.
[01:48] <thompa> hmuller: cheers
[01:48] <hmuller> thompa: #/dev/sdb1       /media/cdrom0 ...
[01:48] <hmuller> thompa: I had two lines like that I had to comment out
[01:49] <automat> Timmy: if you aren't specifying DPMS and you know your resolutions, just add them to Section "Screen" SubSection "Display" Modes "1280x1024", etc.
[01:49] <ToHellWithGA> it doesn't have anything hardware specific
[01:50] <hmuller> Timmy: $ sudo displayconfig-gtk still works for me too
[01:50] <automat> Timmy: yeah, that's probably the easiest way.
[01:50] <Timmy> sudo displayconfig-gtk
[01:50] <Timmy> oops
[01:50] <automat> if the desired resolution works in displayconfig-gtk, it should be fine
[01:50] <automat> lol
[01:50] <cyclonut> jessica_, did you get things working?
[01:51] <jessica_> no
[01:51] <hmuller> automat: exactly!
[01:51] <automat> ;)
[01:51] <thompa> ToHellWithGA: something else is used maybe, i cant remember . are you using nvidia?
[01:51] <jessica_> it stops when trying to connect
[01:51] <automat> jessica_: can you make it connect manually?
[01:51] <jessica_> no
[01:51] <jessica_> nothing
[01:51] <automat> what drivers?
[01:52] <cyclonut> jessica_, ah, well at least you got it there... perhaps you should try wicd?
[01:52] <jimmygoon> My system crashing-hard everytime I log out is unacceptable
[01:52] <Timmy> automat, hmuller: thanks for you help. i think the issue may be that my problem with wine depends on having the resolutions specified in xorg.conf
[01:52] <whuyt> after gnome failing to start it was recommended i upgrade hal, libhal1, and libhal-storage to 5.11 rc2 ubuntu2. gnome is now working but is incredibly unresponsive
[01:52] <jessica_> im using the 98 drivers in ndiswrapper
[01:52] <Timmy> so i'll give that a try :)
[01:52] <ToHellWithGA> thompa: i am using intel integrated video
[01:52] <ToHellWithGA> it worked great since forever ago
[01:53] <automat> jessica_: and ndiswrapper -l shows hardware present and the interface is listed in iwconfig?
[01:53] <thompa> hmuller: i only hav e cdrom and floppy in there and they are already commented out
[01:54] <hmuller> thompa:  did you just recently upgrade to Hardy from Gutsy?
[01:54] <jessica_> yes it shows it in iwconfig
[01:54] <thompa> hmuller: not really. my hard drive has 2 partitions. one is upgraded from alpha and is 64, the other is fresh beta..this one beta fresh no usb
[01:55] <thompa> i386
[01:55] <thompa> no sound on the 64 side no matter what i do
[01:55] <jessica_> yet when i try and join my network with the correct authentication and everything it dosnt
[01:55] <automat> jessica_: so frustrating.  i was having that problem a few hours ago, but the update to hal fixed networkmanager.  even so, in the meantime i was able to set it up manually.
[01:56] <thompa> hmuller: could be bad install, does your camera show up?
[01:56] <automat> jessica_: can you scan with `iwlist wlan0 scan` (with your proper interface name, of course)
[01:56] <dandel> No good... both are broken... same way.
[01:56] <hmuller> thompa: the usb thing is interesting, but I probably can't help.  I wonder if it's a PolicyKit issue or HAL.  What sound card do you have?
[01:56] <thompa> its HAL
[01:56] <thompa> almost positive
[01:56] <cyclonut> jessica_, you downgraded your HAL. try re-upgrading it
[01:56] <jessica_> wlan0 interface dosne't support scan
[01:57] <jessica_> i could try the xp drivers rather than the 98 drivers
[01:57] <hmuller> thompa: I don't have a camera.  It could be a bad install.  I'm downloading the BETA now (I'm running Alpha6) and install it fresh tomorrow.
[01:57] <dandel> hmuller: i reinstalled the kernel, but it didn't matter, both had the exact same faults ><;
[01:57] <dandel> the upgrade scripts broke the kernel.
[01:57] <automat> jessica_: might be worth a try.  although you'd expect it to work if ndiswrapper shows the hardware present.  well maybe not with an old driver. who knows.  try it.
[01:58] <automat> smoke break.
[01:58] <hmuller> automat:  nicotine lozenges are great, but you lose the break
[01:58] <cyclonut> hmuller, you dont get the nice process though
[01:59] <hmuller> cyclonut: I still go out for 'fake' smoke breaks
[01:59] <thompa> automat: used to be, the only way they would give you a break was if you smoked
[01:59] <cyclonut> hmuller: haha
[01:59] <Bsims> Got a simple question, I upgraded and it appears to have broken sudo
[01:59] <cyclonut> thompa, ironically, that is how I started smoking in the first place
[01:59] <Bsims> anyone got any ideas
[01:59] <thompa> cyclonut: me too air force
[01:59] <hmuller> dandel: I'm sorry I can't help you further.  I'll bet the breakage will be fixed tomorrow ...
[02:00] <cyclonut> thompa, subway for me ;)
[02:00] <thompa> heh
[02:00] <jessica_> no nothing seems to work
[02:00] <dandel> hmuller: at least it was better than last time where the box would not even boot... lol.
[02:00] <thompa> cyclonut: i used to remember smoking on planes, clouds of it
[02:01] <thompa> outside and inside
[02:01] <hmuller> dandel:  I had that problem in one of the earlier releases
[02:01] <cyclonut> thompa, haha, I dont reach that far back. Thats when first class was actually classy though, eh? ;)
[02:01] <automat> i have nicotine gum, but it doesn't work.  it's all in the process :)
[02:01] <thompa> nothing ever works
[02:02] <automat> lol
[02:02] <hmuller> I still remember the first airplane ride I ever took (6yrs) had a parachute under the seat
[02:02] <thompa> cool
[02:02] <cyclonut> does FF not having a home button bug the hell outta anybody else?
[02:02] <dandel> hmuller: I know this happens... so it's not too much of a big deal... best to find out sooner than later ^.^
[02:02] <thompa> took me 22 hours to get from NY to Germany
[02:02] <hmuller> automat: try the lozenges
[02:02] <thompa> prop job
[02:02] <hmuller> dandel:  that's why I'm testing too
[02:03] <hmuller> thompa: You might be a year or two older than me =)
[02:03] <thompa> no maybe 15 hours
[02:03] <hmuller> turbo prop I imagine
[02:03] <thompa> hmuller: im not that old
[02:03] <automat> hmuller: i may.  i'd still need blanks though.  maybe a bic pen or a cinnamon stick.
[02:04] <dandel> hmuller: I wonder if i haft to reinstall or if tomorrows update will fix it fully lol.
[02:04] <hmuller> thompa: lmao
[02:04] <hmuller> dandel:  when I have problems with one release, I just try the next day's daily-live
[02:05] <hmuller> dandel: The brick wall always win against your head
[02:05] <thompa> dandel: reinstall day after
[02:05] <dandel> hmuller: It's more like... what's that pile of rubble doing behind me ^.^
[02:05] <wastrel> cyclonut: i miss the "go" button
[02:06] <cyclonut> wastrel, that one too.
[02:06] <thompa> xubuntu looks real cool
[02:06] <hmuller> dandel:  there's nothing like Obsessive-Compulsive persistence to get you through a mountain!  =)
[02:06] <dandel> hmm... should i have the mouse set to vmmouse or what i had in fiesty?
[02:06] <thompa> kubuntu is running faster right now
[02:08] <Blazeix> Hi, is evolution-exchange broken in the beta release?
[02:08] <hmuller> thompa:  gcc -omg-optimized
[02:08] <Blazeix> I can't find any official information about it, but its broken for me, and I've found a few threads about it as well.
[02:08] <mneptok> hmuller: you need a --
[02:09] <thompa> hmuller: im just pulling files off my walkman from other partition which has the device
[02:10] <thompa> hmuller: are you running kde?
[02:10] <hmuller> thompa: I've been noticing real improvements since the beginning of the year, yet a few glitches.  No I'm a gnomester
[02:10] <Dr_willis> gnomnaista!
[02:11] <hmuller> thompa: but I like how the system is becoming more integrated through HAL, D-BUS, and gang
[02:11] <thompa> ive been using gnome, but kubuntu seems faster right now. not so pretty maybe
[02:11]  * mneptok lives in a DE neutral household
[02:11] <mneptok> i'm a GNOME-ist. she uses KDE.
[02:12] <hmuller> mneptok: Mine still uses XP, still trying to get her to convert.  Maybe Hardy Final!
[02:13] <mneptok> hmuller: my job ensures Ubuntu usage for all household occupants.
[02:14] <hmuller> mneptok:  that's a job I'd like to have
[02:14] <fitoria> hello
[02:14] <hmuller> get paid for my interest!
[02:14] <fitoria> Lib6c --configure error
[02:14] <mneptok> hmuller: careful what you wish for
[02:14] <fitoria> during upgrade
[02:14] <cyclonut> hmuller, I guess I have it okay... mine uses osX. cant quite get her to take the linux plunge yet
[02:14] <mneptok> hmuller: you'd have to work with me. any of my present colleagues will warn you off that road.
[02:14] <hmuller> cyclonut: osX is *nix isn't it?
[02:15] <Dr_willis> hmuller,  barely. :)
[02:15] <thompa> i use xp only for flight sim stuff
[02:15] <hmuller> mneptok: I spent 11 in the military ...
[02:15] <cyclonut> hmuller, enough for them to call it that :-P
[02:15] <thompa> but i am bored with that now that x-plane works so well
[02:15] <Dr_willis> ITs like takin a Supped up Motorbike and putting training wheels on it. :)
[02:15] <hmuller> thompa:  I use XP on occasion in kvm
[02:16] <hmuller> Dr_willis: you're killing me
[02:16] <Dr_willis> i couldent think of a better analogy
[02:18] <hmuller> have a good day/night folks, time to put the 3yr old down for bed.  And good luck all of you who upgraded early from Gutsy to Hardy!
[02:18] <wastrel> 3yo <3
[02:19] <mneptok> OSX's relationship to Unix is thus. imagine a chainsaw that can cut *anything*. now, paint it cerulean. give it a drop shadow. make any surfaces brushed metal. dull the blade. re-brand it as "iCut." sell blade separately. that's OSX.
[02:19] <Tuv0k> lol
[02:20] <automat> hilarious.
[02:20] <cyclonut> haah
[02:20] <kindofabuzz> just installed hardy beta on another hard drive, while logging on it told me that /home/# could not be found and would use /root as the home directory.  i did have a seperate partition for /home
[02:20] <whuyt> what could cause gnome to be unresponsive in hardy?
[02:20] <mneptok> whuyt: you installed Ubuntu server? *bah dum tish*
[02:20] <kindofabuzz> but then i hit ok and it gave me some other error, forgot what it is
[02:21] <Tuv0k> did /home get mounted?
[02:21] <wastrel> presumably not
[02:21] <mneptok> kindofabuzz: df -h > pastebin
[02:21] <kindofabuzz> oh i dunno, i don't see why it shouldn't have
[02:21] <mneptok> kindofabuzz: fdisk -l > pastebin
[02:21] <wastrel> well either that or the homedir on the home partition is owned by a different UID than the user logging into hardy
[02:21] <kindofabuzz> well i deleted it all and gonna start over
[02:22] <Tuv0k> ouch
[02:22] <kindofabuzz> can i use the home partition on this install?
[02:22] <Tuv0k> repeating the same mistake won't help
[02:22] <Tuv0k> you might want to know what happened before wasting your time
[02:22] <kindofabuzz> it had it's own /home partition
[02:23] <kindofabuzz> tuvok, that's why i'm here
[02:23] <Tuv0k> if nothing else it will be an experience
[02:23] <Tuv0k> do what the above guys suggested
[02:23] <kevin_> hello, i was wondering if compiz-fusion will be included by default in ubuntu 8.04?
[02:23] <Mark_Milliman> Does anyone know what happened to the multimedia keys plugin in Banshee after this update?
[02:24] <mneptok> kevin_: yes
[02:24] <kevin_> ok thanks
[02:24] <kindofabuzz> i can't get banshee to find anything, dunno what's wrong
[02:24] <kindofabuzz> it will just search and search
[02:25]  * mneptok "yays!" as a pre-spun Dell Ubuntu restore DVD saves his weekend
[02:25] <kindofabuzz> i'm gonna try to install hardy without any seperate boot and home partitions, be back later =)
[02:26] <thompa> cool kubuntu has compiz installer
[02:28] <thompa> kubuntu looks awsome, so does xubuntu
[02:28] <mneptok> thompa: you should see OpenBox on my Mac68K ;)
[02:29] <thompa> need sunglasses.
[02:29] <savvas> at night? :p
[02:29] <cyclonut> (so I can, so I caaaan)
[02:29] <mneptok> thompa: no, not me. my Mac68K. if you look at me you don't want sunglasses. you want a scalpel.
[02:30] <thompa> the 3d windows are pretty intense with compiz, i had effects off and thought it was awsome
[02:30] <thompa> whats a mac68k?
[02:30] <thompa> sounds old
[02:31] <cyclonut> about 4k better than the mac64k
[02:31] <cyclonut> (harr.)
[02:31] <thompa> it looks kinda arthur clarkish
[02:31] <cyclonut> mneptok, are you one of those folks who serves up static HTML on the oldest mac you can find?
[02:32]  * cyclonut hummms @ increased mem usage over gutsy
[02:32] <thompa> im running 1440x900 lcd here like 2 pages up
[02:34] <thompa> ubuntu always has best looking fonts
[02:34] <mneptok> cyclonut: nah, i just kept my old Quadra 605 and refuse to let it die
[02:35] <mneptok> cyclonut: but yes, for a while, http://montreal.canonical.com was served from thttpd on a Mac68K ;)
[02:35] <Andre_Gondim> when i am installing hardy heron in pt_BR always crash in the keyboard screen =/
[02:35] <thompa> im going to ditch gnome for kde losers
[02:36]  * nikrud always wondered why users of kde call all others losers
[02:36] <mneptok> nikrud: they like seeing "sets mode +b"?
[02:37] <nikrud> nah, it happens in email also
[02:37] <thompa> dolphin is working really well and I seem to have just enough options
[02:37] <thompa> heh
[02:37] <nandemonai> Anyone had troubles nabbing the latest bunch of updates from mirrors?
[02:38] <hustan> hello i got a dependacy error for libc6 can anyone help?
[02:38] <nikrud> nandemonai probably the mirror wasn't synced up completely
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> for my info (i'm from #kubuntu) is libc6 broken in hardy?
[02:38] <nandemonai> nikrud, Yeah I was assuming the same, I'll contact my ISP and see what's up.
[02:38] <hustan> shouldent be
[02:39] <hustan> can anyone help?
[02:39] <nikrud> nandemonai no, I mean the ubuntu mirror you're using. my mirror was in that sate earlier today, back to normal now
[02:39] <nikrud> s/sate/state/
[02:39] <automat> thompa: i did the same, for a single reason.  no one is bothering to fix the 3D bug in the free ati drivers.  gnome without compiz is lacking.  how could it not be possible (without brightside) to drag windows across desktops?!?
[02:40] <nandemonai> nikrud, Oh yes I understand, it's my ISP mirror you see :)
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> automat: use kde
[02:40] <nikrud> nandemonai ah, nice isp :)
[02:40] <automat> nosrednaekim: that's what i was saying.  i made the switch.
[02:40] <nandemonai> nikrud, Yups, unmetered too :)
[02:40] <hustan> so no one can help with a dependacy error for libc6?
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> automat: :)
[02:41] <savvas> hustan: apt-cache policy libc6 | grep "Installed\|Candidate"
[02:41] <automat> that, and kate is the best editor.  not that i couldn't use it in gnome, but the kde panel app that lets you open any of your saved sessions is nice.
[02:41] <hustan> im on 7.04 not 7.10
[02:41]  * automat hides after making a "best editor" comment
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> hustan: oh sorry, for telling you to come here then..... uhhh come back to #kubuntu
[02:42] <savvas> hehe
[02:42] <hustan> ok
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> sorry guys ;)
[02:42] <savvas> nosrednaekim: point him to http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/libc6
[02:42] <savvas> all the dependencies are there if he needs to download one
[02:43]  * automat kicked out of the coffee shop
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> s/gutsy/fiesty
[02:43]  * automat detaches
[02:43] <savvas> oh
[02:43] <savvas> yeah true
[02:43] <savvas> :)
[02:44] <philipjfry> yay!!!
[02:45] <Mark_Milliman> Does anyone use Banshee?  The multimedia keys plugin is gone
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> thinking about upgrading, any huge show stoppers ATM? I like missing the final release craze ;)
[02:46] <philipjfry> after installing hardy gnome has become very slow menus take upwards of ten seconds to respond, i have no idea what could be causing this?
[02:46] <mneptok> automat: GNOME supports window movement between workspaces natively, and well
[02:46] <savvas> philipjfry: graphics card?
[02:46] <philipjfry> radeon 9600xt
[02:46] <savvas> philipjfry: system - admin - hardware drivers
[02:46] <philipjfry> was working fine in 7.10
[02:47] <T1m0thy> Hey, about 10 minutes after being logged in and online, in the middle of a Skype call and chatting on Pidgin, my internet just stops working and I have to restart in order to get it working again. Any resolutions?
[02:47] <philipjfry> is enabled!
[02:47] <savvas> philipjfry: do you have compiz enabled?
[02:47] <mneptok> T1m0thy: DHCP?
[02:47] <T1m0thy> mneptok: Yeah.
[02:47] <philipjfry> i did in 7.10 so most likely it still is
[02:48] <mneptok> T1m0thy: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[02:48] <savvas> philipjfry: try disable and re-enable it, system - preferences - appearance - visual effects
[02:49] <philipjfry> savvas, will try thanks
[02:49] <savvas> philipjfry: maybe something is eating up your resources, check out the system monitor, ctrl alt del
[02:49] <T1m0thy> mneptok: http://pastebin.com/m4a74089b
[02:50] <mneptok> T1m0thy: there's your problem
[02:50] <philipjfry> i was just double checking and the device driver for ati was not enabled. foolishly assumed it would be because it was in gnome failsafe
[02:50] <mneptok> T1m0thy: wireless or wired?
[02:50] <T1m0thy> mneptok wireless
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> !info xserver-xgl hardy
[02:50] <ubotu> xserver-xgl (source: xserver-xgl): GL-based X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1.99.1~git20080115-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 1839 kB, installed size 4572 kB
[02:50] <mneptok> T1m0thy: you have no entries in "interfaces" for anything other than the loopback interface
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> philipjfry: you might want to remove xgl as well.
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> philipjfry: its not longer required for ati cards +compiz
[02:51] <T1m0thy> mneptok: Alright.. I know nothing about that file. Could you tell me what I would need? :\
[02:51] <mneptok> T1m0thy: you might want to see if a future update populates that file for you
[02:51] <T1m0thy> Okay.
[02:51] <mneptok> T1m0thy: there's no "silver bullet" answer guaranteed to work. depends on your hardware.
[02:52] <T1m0thy> Alright..
[02:52] <wastrel> T1m0thy: what card?
[02:52] <savvas> hm..
[02:52] <T1m0thy> intel 3945
[02:52] <philipjfry> nosrednaekim, thanks, sudo apt-get remove xorg-server-xgl i assume?
[02:52] <wastrel> i have that card,
[02:52] <T1m0thy> What does yours say?
[02:52] <wastrel> it's been droppin connection sporadically
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> philipjfry: xserver-xgl
[02:52] <T1m0thy> :\
[02:52] <philipjfry> ok!
[02:52] <savvas> I have the same in /etc/network/interfaces and a wired eth0, no problems here :p
[02:52] <T1m0thy> hmm..
[02:53] <wastrel> i thought it was my access point
[02:53] <T1m0thy> Same.
[02:53] <wastrel> you don't have to reboot to fix tho.   sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:54] <wastrel> works for me anyway
[02:54] <mneptok> T1m0thy: try with a Gutsy Live CD. if it "just works," write the b0rkeness in Hardy off to beta woes, and be patient :)
[02:54] <philipjfry> tim0thy, did erudites suggestion of upgrading hal work for you as well?
[02:55] <T1m0thy> Yes.
[02:55] <T1m0thy> I coudln't get it at all before HAL.
[02:55] <mneptok> wastrel: for fewer keystrokes, 'sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart'
[02:55] <mneptok> :)
[02:56] <philipjfry> worked for me too!
[02:56] <T1m0thy> Wastrel: Thanks.
[02:56] <wastrel> alias nr=""
[02:57] <mneptok> wastrel: "crontab -e yadda yadda" ;)
[02:58] <myk> hey, guys.
 hello myk
[02:58] <myk> Anyone using the b43 driver for Broadcom wifi? i have some questions before filing a bug report
[02:58] <savvas> um..
[02:58] <savvas> myk: crashing up ?
[02:58] <T1m0thy> Is the linux-ubuntu-modules for 'x86/x86_64' just for both i386 and 64 bit?
[02:58] <Jordan_U> !anyone | myk
[02:58] <ubotu> myk: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[02:59] <myk> It seems the range is severely decreased. i usually use my laptop in the living room, maybe 100 feet from the router
[02:59] <savvas> myk: there was a "caveat" in the ubuntu beta documentation about a broadcom wifi
[02:59] <mneptok> does anyone know anybody who know anyone that knows anybody that knows the !anyone factoid?
[02:59] <myk> I can only stay connected if i sit in the same room as the router.
[02:59] <savvas> www.ubuntu.com/testing
[02:59] <myk> i will take a look at it
[02:59] <philipjfry> savvas, disable compiz was the solution. thanks!
[02:59] <savvas> philipjfry: no problemo :)
[03:00] <philipjfry> system is still a little sluggish though
[03:00] <myk> those qho are being helpful, i appreciate it...
[03:00] <savvas> philipjfry: checked the system monitor?
[03:00] <HardyOne> mneptok, I dont know anyone who knows anyone that knows anybody who knows about the !anyone factoid
[03:00] <savvas> philipjfry: click on the "CPU" column, i mean on the label where it says "CPU"
[03:01] <savvas> this way you'll see what's eating up your processor
[03:01] <Jordan_U> myk, It may be that you have a lot of interference and the driver doesn't support an interference robustness feature of the card
[03:01] <myk> savvas: this is not the issue I am having.
[03:01] <savvas> it could be a heavy memory usage too
[03:01] <savvas> myk: ok sorry
[03:01] <myk> Jordan_U: thanks. is there a way to get ndiswrapper to work properly
[03:01] <Jordan_U> myk, Are there other networks in the area that are on the same channel?
[03:01] <myk> savvas: no problem, i appreciate all info that may help me get this sorted
[03:02] <myk> Negative. Everything worked fine with ndiswrapper in 7.10 and 7.04
[03:02] <myk> I have two routers, one public, on private, both on different channels.
[03:02] <savvas> well he's right about that, it should "just work" :P
[03:02] <Jordan_U> myk, I don't know much about ndiswrapper ( I try to avoid it :)
[03:02] <philipjfry> savvas, cpu is 20% at idle
[03:03] <philipjfry> its xgl!
[03:03] <savvas> philipjfry: where's the rest of it going?
[03:03] <Bsims> Got a question, I upgraded to heron beta and it lost my music DB what file do I need to restore from back up to recover it?
[03:03] <Raspberry> Bsims, what music program?
[03:03] <Bsims> Doh sorry amarok
[03:03] <savvas> philipjfry: well there you go :p kill it, see if it "calms down" and file a bug about it
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> Bsims: the amarok DB is in .kde/share/apps/amarok
[03:05] <savvas> myk: there was a gui for ndiswrapper.. ndisgtk, maybe it's easier to install the drivers?
[03:05] <Bsims> nosrednaekim: but why did it disappear though
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> Bsims: are you now using kde4?
[03:05] <Bsims> no
[03:05] <myk> i have installed the driver using ndiswrapper, but for whatever reason, it doesnt seem to activate the device like it used to. may need to do some blacklisting
[03:05] <philipjfry> savvas, removing xgl fixed
[03:05] <myk> of the other driver9s)
[03:06] <Bsims> 3.59
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> Bsims: thats weird then... did you have anything valuable in the database that can't be gotten back?
[03:06] <Bsims> tons of music
[03:06] <Bsims> I can re import it but its a pain in the arse
[03:06] <Bsims> I am gonna try moving it back in
[03:07] <savvas> eh
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> well, if thats all that broke, I'd say you are fairly lucky:)
[03:07] <Bsims> heh
[03:07] <savvas> a database should be cleared every once and a while
[03:07] <Bsims> nosrednaekim: sudo was broken too
[03:07]  * Bsims had to reboot and force a dist-upgrade manualy
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> savvas: the silver lining eh? lol
[03:08] <savvas> nosrednaekim: more or less.. :D
[03:08] <savvas> i like my stuff nice and tidy
[03:08] <savvas> total clearance and reindexing :P
[03:08] <savvas> my home is a bit messy, but i'll see to that
[03:09] <savvas> i mean /home the dir :)
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> I was about to say that was quite allowed....
[03:10] <emma> anyone who uses Hardy right now is a power user.
[03:10] <savvas> I'm a power user!
[03:10]  * nosrednaekim 1$ l337
[03:10] <savvas> wow, that felt good :p
[03:10] <philipjfry> im not a power user and im using hardy :(
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> philipjfry: thats probably not fun
[03:11] <Bsims> Fsck it didn't copy the collection over
[03:11]  * Bsims pounds the model M
[03:11] <mneptok> Bsims: language, please.
[03:11] <philipjfry> lots of fun! it didnt go smoothly but thanks to very kind helpful people on irc i got it working and learned
[03:11] <Bsims> mneptok: sorry but fsck was the command that auto ran
[03:12] <Bsims> said some inodes had changed
[03:12] <savvas> hahaha
[03:12] <mneptok> Bsims: please.
[03:12] <savvas> Bsims: is it that hard to leave it populate the database in the background?
[03:13] <Bsims> sorry mneptok I'll be good
[03:13] <Bsims> savvas: there is no database
[03:13] <mneptok> thankee sahib.
[03:13] <Bsims> I'll have to reimport the folders into it
[03:13] <savvas> Bsims: that's why i said populate, fill it up with your song info
[03:14] <savvas> apps such as amarok or rhythmbox can do that in the background, can't they?
[03:15] <Bsims> I suppose
[03:15]  * Bsims giggles was hopping to just restore and forget though
[03:15] <savvas> ah.. believe me, sometimes it's good to erase and recheck
[03:15]  * Bsims grrs off to re-emport
[03:16] <savvas> lovely quit message :P
[03:16] <telexicon> did something happen to break network manager?
[03:16] <savvas> telexicon: like what? :)
[03:17] <telexicon> i did an upgrade 2 or 3 days ago and my atheros stopped working, a friend of mine upgraded today and his intel wireless stopped working
[03:17] <savvas> i'm glad i use wired then :)
[03:21] <Raspberry> telexicon, yeah
[03:21] <Raspberry> telexicon, hal broke
[03:21] <telexicon> Raspberry, oh ok
[03:21] <telexicon> i downgraded that update and it seemed to work though
[03:21] <Raspberry> telexicon, I had the same problem today... go out and get the latest 0.5.11-???????-1ubuntu2
[03:22] <Raspberry> telexicon, it's fixed if you're using archive.ubuntu.com as your package mirror, but the fix hasn't been populated out ot all mirrors... it was fixed ~ 4hrs ago or so
[03:22] <nikrud> Well I used the latest update to hal, started up network manager, everything was fine. Rebooted, back to old behavior.
[03:22] <Raspberry> nikrud, right ... update to the new 0.5.11 1ubuntu2 hal
[03:23] <nikrud> Raspberry did. That's what failed on the reboot
[03:23] <overridex> I'm getting an unresolved symbol in /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1  _nv000040gl   since upgrading to hardy... anyone run into this?  can't run any 3d without glx :)
[03:23] <Raspberry> you also need to update libhal1
[03:23] <nikrud> Raspberry I was the one that told everyone to use the main archive, that the fix was out ;)
[03:23] <Raspberry> nikrud, really?  I had that problem and updating hal fixed it ... I rebooted a few times since then
[03:24] <Raspberry> nikrud, are you up to date on all your packages?  I plugged into a wired connection and updated everything
[03:24] <Raspberry> there have been ~7 more updates since the hal fix
[03:24] <Raspberry> most if not all had to do with gnome
[03:24] <nikrud> was up to date as of a couple hours ago. No, not since then. This is worse than unstable :)
[03:25] <Raspberry> it is unstable
[03:25] <Raspberry> :P
[03:25] <RAOF> overridex: That suggests a driver version mismatch, basically.  Have you manually installed a driver or something?
[03:25] <nikrud> Oh well, I'm in gutsy getting a little work done. I'll try the fresh updates when I get home
[03:26] <gluer> ok installed LTS still b43 not working
[03:26] <nikrud> at least unstable didn't push every couple hours, it was once a day :)
[03:26] <overridex> RAOF: not that I can remember... :)
[03:26] <Raspberry> nikrud, I switched to Ubuntu because I was tired of fixing everything in Unstable :)
[03:26] <Raspberry> brb
[03:26] <nikrud> otherwise I'm really happy, only real bug I've found today is bash completion fails with sudo
[03:26] <nikrud> Raspberry likewise
[03:27] <Raspberry> nikrud, did you install the bash-completion package?
[03:27] <Raspberry> heh
[03:27] <nikrud> Raspberry I've got bash completion without sudo , but it fails with.
[03:27] <Raspberry> strange
[03:28] <Raspberry> does Wireless N work with Linux?  I'm only getting 54mbps on my 5Ghz connection
[03:28] <nikrud> I should rephrase that, sudo gedi<tab> fails, but sudo gedit .bash<tab> succeeds
[03:29] <Raspberry> my new WRT600N dual-band wireless router showed up today :)  And I thought it was the router's problem when I couldn't connect... only to find it was the HAL bug
[03:31] <IcemanV9> Raspberry: just curious. what's the mbps speed with wrt600n? (i'm sure more than 54mbps)
[03:31] <Raspberry> it's like the nic doesn't know it can use both 2.4ghz and 5ghz
[03:31] <Raspberry> IcemanV9: 300mbps
[03:31] <IcemanV9> wow. nice.
[03:31] <Raspberry> yeah it will be when it works :P
[03:31] <Raspberry> it works when I dualboot into Vista
[03:32] <AlexHoover> Hmm- I upgraded from Ubuntu 6 (Dapper) the Ubuntu 8 (BETA) and when I start it up, it gets to the loading screen then it shows a terminal-like screen. But wait, it's not bash. It's "initramfs". What am I supposed to do? O_o
[03:32] <IcemanV9> can iwconfig tells the card to use 5ghz?
[03:32] <nandemonai> AlexHoover, Upgrading more than one version isn't generally wise I hear.
[03:32] <IcemanV9> haven't use iwconfig in a long time since it works so well :)
[03:32] <Raspberry> The strange thing is I'm connected to the 5Ghz band SSID ... but I'm only connected at 54mbps according to Network Manager ... so maybe it just doesn't understand it can go faster
[03:32] <DanaG> !lts
[03:32] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[03:32] <HardyOne> dumpsterdiver, bring me back some cheese burgers :P
[03:33] <IcemanV9> nandemonai: it is okay to upgrade from LTS to LTS
[03:33] <AlexHoover> Which I did,
[03:33] <DanaG> hmm, trying to find the thing that says LTS-to-LTS is supposed to be supported.
[03:33] <nandemonai> Oh? Well there ya go.
[03:33] <AlexHoover> And now it's fuuuucked.
[03:33] <Flannel> !language | AlexHoover
[03:33] <ubotu> AlexHoover: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:33] <HardyOne> !upgrade
[03:33] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:33] <Flannel> DanaG: it is.  Let me grab the link for you
[03:33] <dumpsterdiver> HardyOne, LOL
[03:33] <IcemanV9> AlexHoover: i tried last week. it didn't work well.
[03:33] <HardyOne> dumpsterdiver, ")
[03:33] <AlexHoover> HardyOne, I followed those-
[03:33] <IcemanV9> i guess i could try it again later.
[03:33] <AlexHoover> Everything went smooth but it's just not loading the UI,
[03:33] <dumpsterdiver> HardyOne, they don't have them too much in the dumpster .. not at the back of grocery stores
[03:33] <dumpsterdiver> =D
[03:34] <Flannel> DanaG: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-db224ea9add28760e373240f8239afb9b817f197
[03:34] <AlexHoover> And, well, it doesn't even load bash -_-
[03:34] <philipjfry> i stopped dumpstering when i got a job :(
[03:34] <mcopple> It would only make sense that one should be able to upgrade from LTS to LTS, huh?
[03:34] <Raspberry> IcemanV9: apparently actual REAL usage nets about 60MB/sec on the n/a 5ghz spectrum
[03:34] <Raspberry> mcopple: I agree
[03:34] <IcemanV9> AlexHoover: you could fix it in the terminal. sudo aptitude reinstall bash ... something likes that
[03:34] <Raspberry> mcopple: it would be smarter however to keep your data and OS separate and do a clean install
[03:35] <IcemanV9> mcopple: yes it is.
[03:35] <IcemanV9> and i agreed with Raspberry's suggestion on backup the data (as always no matter what)
[03:35] <nandemonai> Much cleaner that way anyway :)
[03:35] <AlexHoover> IcemanV9, but I cant. It gets to the loading screen, then after about 5m it goes to "initramfs".
[03:36] <IcemanV9> AlexHoover: can you go to recovery mode?
[03:36] <AlexHoover> Nope.
[03:36] <mcopple> I think that is smarter, too, but if one is trying to upgrade a large number of machines at once, being able to do an upgrade-in-place could be a useful thing.
[03:36] <nandemonai> AlexHoover, Maybe you can try chroot from a live disc?
[03:37] <mcopple> That probably means it is trying to load initramfs and either cannot find it or cannot read it.
[03:37] <AlexHoover> Yeah, I just booted from a live disc
[03:37] <AlexHoover> mcopple, it goes TO initramfs after the loading screen
[03:37] <IcemanV9> yea. live cd is the way to go, then.
[03:37] <mcopple> Since one is skipping several kernel versions, that is not entirely surprisin
[03:37] <AlexHoover> But initramfs does not allow me to run any commands
[03:38] <AlexHoover> "Busybox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built in shell (ash)"
[03:43] <mcopple> initramfs is a ram disk -- a filesystem created and mounted in memory. It isn't interactive. It performs a lot of your kernel initialization. The contents of initramfs has to match your current kernel version.
[03:53] <gew> i have a little problem with my wifi (network-manager) it will not connect after the recent upgrades  , i already have  0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2
[03:53] <gew>  
[03:53] <gew> also i am using b43 , if that makes any diff ... that version is for hal libhal1
[03:53] <gluer> compaq nx6320, cannot enable the B43 restricted driver? anyone can help?
[03:54] <gew> gluer: i dont knopw much but u wanna check /etc/apt/source.list
[03:54] <gew> and uncheck a few
[03:55] <gluer> gew: what will that do? someone told me about b43 cutter or something
[03:55] <pwnguin> gew: network manager is also consuming 100 percent cpu
[03:55] <pwnguin> i hear they've identified and fixed it
[03:55] <gew> pwnguin: thats my problem also
[03:55] <gew> my fan is going crazy
[03:56] <pwnguin> the challenge is how to download the update if you have no network connection ;)
[03:56] <gew> gluer: that will let u install fw-cutter
[03:56] <gew> pwnguin: i google for that just now
[03:56] <gew> i have no clue
[03:56] <wastrel> another reason to hate network-manager
[03:56] <gew> i guess we can wait
[03:56] <pwnguin> gew: mostly, i think the answer is chroot
[03:56] <gew> thank god eth0 works
[03:56] <pwnguin> or disable nm
[03:57] <gew> how do u disable it
[03:57] <T1m0thy> This is going to sound really stupid, but where do you change your fonts in gnome?
[03:57] <pwnguin> /etc/network/interfaces
[03:57] <gew> T1m0thy: nothing is stupid
[03:57] <pwnguin> T1m0thy: apperances?
[03:57] <pwnguin> system->preferences->appearances
[03:57] <wastrel> yeah they stuck that in appearance now
[03:58] <T1m0thy> ah, i was looking at something else in there
[03:58] <T1m0thy> thanks
[03:58] <pwnguin> gew: if you can, try updating again ;)
[03:58] <pwnguin> gew: it's fixed for me
[03:58] <gew> pwnguin: really
[03:58] <gew> let me do it again
[03:59] <DanaG> Aaargh!
[03:59] <DanaG> Hard lockups!
[03:59] <wastrel> i've had a couple of those on gusty lately
[03:59] <gew> k let me try my wifi again
[03:59] <gew> brb , pwnguin do not go please
[04:00] <pwnguin> heh
[04:00] <pwnguin> i should change my nick. it'd be funny
[04:00] <gluer> pwnguin: how did u get wifi working?
[04:00] <pwnguin> gluer: i lied =(
[04:00] <pwnguin> i forgot to unplug the cable
[04:00] <pwnguin> and mistook it for working
[04:00] <gluer> k.
[04:01] <pwnguin> https://launchpad.net/bugs/204897
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204897 in network-manager "[hardy] Network manager causes CPU load to go to 100% (dup-of: 204768)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204768 in kde-guidance "[hardy] Latest HAL breaks guidance powermanager" [Undecided,In progress]
[04:02] <wastrel> way to go, hal
[04:03] <pwnguin> hmm. he musta really broke it
[04:04] <gluer> what command to i use to download / install hal 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2?
[04:04] <pwnguin> apt-get update?
[04:04] <pwnguin> then apt-get upgrade
[04:04] <gluer> k.
[04:05] <gluer> pwnguin: says everything is up to date
[04:05] <gluer> must already have it
[04:05] <pwnguin> is it broke?
[04:05] <pwnguin> you can use apt-cache policy hal to see what you've got
[04:06] <gluer> yep got it
[04:06] <gluer> thanks
[04:06] <pwnguin> and fwiw, it is fixed
[04:07] <pwnguin> upgrading hal via chroot breaks, as the scripts want to restart things that arent running
[04:07] <pwnguin> so chroot, download, then boot into the install and upgrade with the download in cache ^_^
[04:13] <wers> subpixel font rendering is enabled by default on hardy?:)
[04:14] <Mark_Milliman> Does anyone know what happened to the multimedia keys in Banshee 0.13.2?
[04:14] <DanaG> Oh hey, is there anything interesting you can do with S3 Savage video?  I have an old laptop around here, with "S3 TwisterK" graphics.  Even 2-D composite seems quite slow.
[04:17] <DanaG> Hmm, seems like NVIDIA 3D + heavy disk activity == hard lock for me.
[04:17] <matyy> hej, is it a known bug right now, that compiz doesn't draw shadows? (At least when you use ccsm)
[04:17] <matyy> DanaG, that makes my pc really slow, too
[04:19] <DanaG> Oh, and by "2D Composite", I mean Metacity.
[04:19] <DanaG> _In_ Metacity, I mean.
[04:19] <TuTUXG_> lol 2d composite
[04:20] <TuTUXG_> doesnt metacity's composite need 3d accelerator?
[04:20] <matyy> DanaG, if you use Nvidia and have compiz - could you please tell me if it draws shadows foryou?
[04:21] <ogre> updates broke my internet connection
[04:21] <DanaG> It draws very very slight shadows for me.
[04:22] <vbabiy-laptop> hey guys will 8.04 have a vmware server package from the gecko
[04:24] <gluer_> bugger! everything but wifi is working
[04:26] <Meshezabeel> if I install hardy testing 6, will there be any problems upgrading to the full version when it comes out?
[04:26] <jdh6403> Meshezabeel: no
[04:26] <jdh6403> i installed r6 and it is doing fine and catches all updates
[04:27] <Meshezabeel> tx jdh6403
[04:27] <jdh6403> np
[04:27] <jdh6403> i have the 64 bit version and no probs
[04:29] <pwnguin> so with the beta out, does the topic still apply?
[04:29] <ogre> anything i can do to fix my install? anyway to roll back updates with no internet connection at all?
[04:31] <ogre> im on live gutsy cd right now. anyone have any clue? if there isnt just say "no" plz and ill reformat
[04:31] <pwnguin> ogre: i can help, i hope
[04:31] <ogre> pwnguin:  me too hehe
[04:32] <pwnguin> ogre: get networking up with your live cd. mount the hardy install.  chroot into it. apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-cache policy hal
[04:32] <ogre> last update borked my internet. its not just the iwl3945 package because my wired connection isnt working either
[04:32] <pwnguin> huh
[04:32] <pwnguin> skip that policy part
[04:33] <pwnguin> ogre: need more details?
[04:33] <ogre> pwnguin:  yes please
[04:33] <ogre> cd media
[04:33] <ogre> oops
[04:34] <vbabiy-laptop> hey guys will 8.04 have a vmware server package from the gecko
[04:34] <pwnguin> ogre: can you access the hardy install?
[04:34] <pwnguin> via nautiluis
[04:34] <ogre> pwnguin:  its not in media
[04:34] <ogre> i tried sudo mount -a
[04:34] <ogre> no luck
[04:35] <pwnguin> ok, make dir /media/hardy
[04:35] <strabes> I just have to celebrate; fglrx finally suspends correctly without tweaking after upgrading to the beta release!
[04:35] <strabes> I AM SO HAPPY NOW
[04:35] <pwnguin> any idea what /dev/ hardy is on?
[04:36] <ogre> k folder was made
[04:37] <pwnguin> ogre: any idea which device the hardy partition is?
[04:37] <ogre> pwnguin:  i can check w/ gparted
[04:37] <ogre> sudo gparted
[04:37] <overridex> anyone having issues mounting samba shares in hardy? (mount error 22 = Invalid argument, refer to mount.cifs man page)
[04:37] <ogre> oops again
[04:37] <DanaG> Heh, smartctl temperature for my hard drive:
[04:37] <DanaG> Temperature_Celsius     0x0002   130   130   000    Old_age   Always       -       42 (Lifetime Min/Max 16/45)  --
[04:38] <ogre> /dev/sda1
[04:38] <pwnguin> ogre: ok, mount /dev/sda1 /media/hardy
[04:39] <Dr__Willis> i have had issues with samba and network shares for ages in hardy
[04:39] <ogre> ok. did that dont see anything in there though
[04:40] <pwnguin> thats not good
[04:40] <ogre> w00t! now its up
[04:40] <ogre> i did mount -a after
[04:40] <pwnguin> magic.
[04:40] <pwnguin> whatever.
[04:41] <pwnguin> here's the real magic: sudo chroot /media/hardy
[04:41] <overridex> Dr_willis: that's good news hehe
[04:41] <ogre> pwnguin:  ok done
[04:42] <pwnguin> so, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[04:42] <Dr__Willis> overridex,  i even had the sshfs and fusesmb tools crashing on me.
[04:42] <ogre> sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu
[04:42] <Dr__Willis> overridex,  Hopefully it will get better soon. :) but im not on  hardy right now - so cant verify anything
[04:43] <pwnguin> ogre: is networking up?
[04:43] <ogre> bizzzarrrrreee now it looks like its moving
[04:44] <ogre> pwnguin:  not sure what u mean. im connected of course
[04:45] <ogre> pwnguin: Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:45] <ogre>  /var/cache/apt/archives/hal_0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:46] <ogre> that bad? or no big deal?
[04:46] <pwnguin> ok, so it downloaded them all at least
[04:46] <ogre> ya
[04:46] <pwnguin> if i were smarter i'd tell you to just use --download-only or whatever
[04:46] <pwnguin> ok, so reboot back into hardy
[04:46] <pwnguin> then apt-get upgrade acan
[04:46] <pwnguin> again
[04:46] <ogre> pwnguin:  you are a freakin' genius as far as im concerned
[04:47] <ogre> thank you for yr help
[04:47] <ogre> ill bbias to tell u if it worked
[04:48] <overridex> Dr__Willis: hmm.. yeah i use sshfs on my laptop, i was assuming that'd be better hehe
[04:49] <Dr__Willis> sshfs was crashing in a bad way for me last week.
[04:49] <pwnguin> when you say smb problems, serving smb or browsing smb?
[04:50] <Dr__Willis> pwnguin,   The testing box could not browse the samba network.. i dident try it the other way.
[04:50] <Dr__Willis> gnome/kde/smbfuse, all - had issues..
[04:50] <pwnguin> interesting. ive not had problems
[04:50] <Dr__Willis> It may  of gotten fixed by now. :)
[04:51] <pwnguin> ive been running hardy since... november?
[04:52] <pwnguin> in fact, ive been surpised to find that mplayer now handles smb when launched by nautilus
[04:53] <DanaG> Hmm, I'd say it's probably bad to run gparted while my system is being prone to random hard-lockups.
[04:53] <DanaG> MMmmmyeah.
[04:58] <charles___> I just upgraded to the hardy heron beta; my soundcard no longer works, I have an maudio delta that uses the ice1712 driver; when I do an lsmod it isn't loaded, and when I do modprobe ice1712 it says not found, however locate ice1712 yields several snd-ice1712.ko files
[04:58] <charles___> /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1712.ko , /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/ubuntu/sound/alsa-driver/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1712.ko
[04:59] <charles___>  uname -r  gives  2.6.24-12-386, could the problem be that those are in /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/ instead of /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-386/  ?
[05:04] <ogre> wireless still down but at least wired works
[05:04] <ogre> i hope its fix for my bday ;P
[05:06] <gluer_> whats the ubuntu replacement for winamp?
[05:07] <ogre> gluer_:  u can run winamp in wine if ya want
[05:08] <teamcobra> hrm, grub-installer seems b0rked when using raid5 :/
[05:10] <gluer_> ogre: will it let me play the shoutcast radio?
[05:10] <ogre> it should. i dunno i dont play w/ that stuff usually
[05:10] <gluer_> k.
[05:10] <ogre> i just use last.fm
[05:11] <DanaG> Argh, my consoles are blank!
[05:11] <DanaG> If I log in blindly and run cacafire, I see the colors but not the text.
[05:12] <DanaG> I have to setupcon every single time I chvt; it then gives me an error about invalid keyboard config.
[05:13] <pwnguin> well, i donno what you broke, but hey, i found a neat new program ;)
[05:13] <gregcha117> can someone help me, my sounds messed when i type alsamixer i get alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default
[05:13] <ogre> pwnguin:  whats that?
[05:15] <ogre> pwnguin:  what program?
[05:18] <TuTUXG_> hoho, ubuntu is no.1 again in distrowatch.org
[05:19] <gluer_> Tutuxg: prefer if my wireless was working
[05:19] <TuTUXG_> gluer_, what card?
[05:19] <gluer_> b43
[05:20] <TuTUXG_> ?
[05:20] <gluer_> broadcom
[05:20] <pwnguin> ogre: cacafire
[05:20] <ogre> sounds interesting
[05:20] <ogre> heh
[05:20] <teamcobra> b43 works great on this laptop, I do remember manually fwcutting the firmware though
[05:20] <TuTUXG_> what's cacafire?
[05:21] <teamcobra> gluer: type dmesg in a console, look @ the b43 firmware errors
[05:21] <DanaG> Oh god, I just did something really funny:
[05:21] <DanaG> combined sink with master is combined-out on remote computer, and slave is combined-out on local computer.
[05:21] <teamcobra> and go to the url that the error tells you to visit, it has the instructions + firmware
[05:21] <jimmygoon> Should I be worried/annoyed that some bugs I've posted have not been resolved / looked into :(
[05:21] <DanaG> It took a while of seemingly randomly changing speed.
[05:23] <jimmygoon> wtf pclinuxos is #2? lame
[05:24] <gluer_> teamcobra:  b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found or load failed.
[05:24] <SeveredCross> Yeah, apparently PCLinuxOS is really popular.
[05:24] <SeveredCross> I WTF-ed as well.
[05:24] <teamcobra> gluer: yeah, there should be another error right under that with a url
[05:24] <gluer_> got it
[05:24] <tritium> Fryguy (Bryan Alves) is ban evading.
[05:25] <jimmygoon> holy crap. there is a load of updates
[05:25] <mneptok> if you want to not be surprised, just remember distrowatch doesn't measure quality
[05:25] <mneptok> (oops, was that out loud)
[05:25] <SeveredCross> Did anyone's NetworkManager break today/yesterday?
[05:25] <jimmygoon> SeveredCross, several people mentioned it in here yesterday... not mine though
[05:25] <jimmygoon> (knock on wood)
[05:25] <SeveredCross> Trying WPA earlier today made it go to 99% CPU usage.
[05:26] <SeveredCross> My core temps started tweaking out.
[05:26] <tsukasa__> hey i need some help getting xen to work.. it just sits at (XEN) booting processor 1/1 eip 8c000
[05:26] <pwnguin> https://launchpad.net/bugs/204897
[05:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204897 in network-manager "[hardy] Network manager causes CPU load to go to 100% (dup-of: 204768)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[05:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204768 in kde-guidance "[hardy] Latest HAL breaks guidance powermanager" [Undecided,In progress]
[05:26] <gluer_> severedcross: happened to me also, and my laptop fans went mental
[05:27] <SeveredCross> Mine too gluer_
[05:27] <SeveredCross> Ah, there are Launchpad bugs. :)
[05:27] <tsukasa__> anyone?
[05:27] <SeveredCross> I guess I'll just have ot download the HAL package manually.
[05:28] <OmnipotentEntity> Has anyone else been having issues with ktorrent failing to connect to trackers?
[05:28] <DanaG> Odd... I took moved some cables around (causing a momentary disconnection), and upon reconnection, PulseAudio doesn't reconnect over the network.
[05:28] <teamcobra> heh, my headaches involve raid5 :p the amd64 alternate dies @ grub/lilo install, and the server install cd dies during package installation ;p
[05:29] <tsukasa__> aaanyone
[05:30] <LimCore> ubuntu sucks about security, can this be changed?
[05:30] <teamcobra> tsukasa: sorry, never had much luck with xen
[05:30] <tsukasa__> teamcobra, :(
[05:30] <DanaG> I guess I should file a bug about networked "combine" sinks being broken.
[05:30] <teamcobra> and LimCore, what sucks in regards to its security
[05:31] <SeveredCross> Yeah, what exactly is wrong with Ubuntu security?
[05:31] <teamcobra> must..... get...... phenom..... working ;p
[05:32] <DanaG> phenom?  AMD?
[05:32] <LimCore> teamcobra: PriceChild: -did you know about this cool program called "scponly"   -no.. hmm ok I will install it. [3 minutes] -omg, how you hacked into my box? I never run an sshd server WTF
[05:33] <teamcobra> DanaG: yeah, sweet box ;)   phenom 9500, 780g motherboard, 8gb ram, 2tb raid, 500gb non-raid
[05:33] <SeveredCross> LimCore: What?
[05:33] <SeveredCross> teamcobra: Hot diggety. Only thing wrong with that box is the processor. :D
[05:33] <teamcobra> LimCore: I do agree that much has to be done in regards to educating people about security
[05:33] <DanaG> How do ATI chipsets work under Linux nowadays?
[05:33] <teamcobra> SeveredCross: heh, the 780g is a _MEAN_ chipset though
[05:33] <DanaG> I refuse to buy nvidia chipsets.
[05:34] <SeveredCross> DanaG: ATI video cards?
[05:34] <SeveredCross> They're okay, the latest fglrx works pretty nice.
[05:34] <DanaG> Motherboard chipset also, I mean.
[05:34] <tsukasa__> DanaG, whats wrong with nvidia
[05:34] <teamcobra> DanaG: better than a few years ago ;)  Compiz works fine, ET:QW works nice @ 1024x768
[05:34] <SeveredCross> It'll even hibernate (not suspend to RAM though, at least not on my lappy)
[05:34] <SeveredCross> Uh, not sure ATI makes motherboard chipsets anymore.
[05:34] <teamcobra> Severed: yes they do, 780g ;)
[05:34] <gluer_> teamcobra: got lost on the firmware_install_dir
[05:34] <LimCore> teamcobra: one step would be to warn:  YOU ARE ABOUT TO START AN OPEN AVAILABLE SERVER!!!!!!!   user can log into your box!  do you confirm yes/no
[05:34] <teamcobra> it's a radeon hd 3200, I believe
[05:34] <DanaG> Closed-source ethernet, prone to data corruption (Windows), prone to network corruption (windows), and other such things.
[05:34] <SeveredCross> Oh, they do? Had no idea.
[05:34] <DanaG> And lots more powerful.
[05:35] <SeveredCross> LimCore: Uh, you really should know all that before you install software.
[05:35] <SeveredCross> Also, no matter what server you start, nobody will be able to log in without a user name and a password.
[05:35] <LimCore> SeveredCross: no
[05:35]  * DanaG wonders how good AMD's next processors will be.
[05:35] <LimCore> why not just login as root?
[05:35] <SeveredCross> And if you are running a server that enables that, then you're an idiot.
[05:35] <teamcobra> gluer: 1 sec, it's easier than you think ;) you've clicked the checkbox to use the restricted firmware for b43, right?
[05:35] <gluer_> yes
[05:35] <teamcobra> ok, 1 sec
[05:35] <LimCore> SeveredCross: no, user just INSTALLS a TOOL name "scponly", he do not RUN a server. he didnt even request to install a server
[05:36] <SeveredCross> Uh, they user should read what scponly says.
[05:36] <pwnguin> LimCore: so maybe harden-servers?
[05:36] <SeveredCross> It provides a way for remote users to log in without any execution privileges.
[05:36] <HorizonXP> hey, question about Evolution in Hardy: I'm trying to add my Google Calendar to it, but it's only synchronizing to the main calendar; any idea how to fix this?
[05:36] <LimCore> SeveredCross: and there should be no wars and poverty... wtf, get grip on reality
[05:36] <DanaG> Odd... my other box (the über-hot Athlon XP notebook) just hard-locked.
[05:37] <LimCore> SeveredCross: btw, Bob's user name will be bob, and his password probably too. So just ask bob install this new "game" called "scponly" and one can own his box
[05:37] <SeveredCross> LimCore: I really think you've got nothing to complain about, to be honest.
[05:37] <tritium> LimCore: please calm down, and treat people kindly
[05:37] <SeveredCross> LimCore: That's why you don't give bob sudo privileges. :-)
[05:37] <teamcobra> maybe something could be added so that debconf pops up a dialog when users install new servers for the first time
[05:37] <LimCore> SeveredCross: stupid people that think that every user is an admin with 2+ years in security
[05:37] <LimCore> SeveredCross: it is bob's computer
[05:37] <teamcobra> LimCore does have a point ;)
[05:38] <kindofabuzz> ran across this: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware to get wireless working in hardy beta, how do i found out which set of directions to follow?
[05:38] <SeveredCross> teamcobra: Yes, but I have a feeling that what he's talking about doesn't happen nearly as often as he makes it sound like it happens.
[05:38] <pwnguin> LimCore: for every stupid user you protect with warnings, confirmation dialogs and refusuals to cooperate, two developers bitch that it's getting in the way.
[05:38] <pwnguin> "The price of freedom is eternal vigilence."
[05:38] <SeveredCross> And no amount of security is going to stop that, short of flashing red warnings "You are about to install a server blah blah blah," and even then, people tend to click through though blindly.
[05:39] <LimCore> anyone could own #ubuntu's users boxes in matter of hours
[05:39] <SeveredCross> Do you know WHY people click through them blindly?
[05:39] <LimCore> using this simple method
[05:39] <SeveredCross> Because that's the kinda crap they're used to from Windows.
[05:39] <LimCore> no
[05:39] <SeveredCross> Endless security nagging, etc, etc.
[05:39] <LimCore> because ubuntu totally sucks, as much as windows,
[05:39] <pwnguin> heh
[05:39] <LimCore> for not displaying a freaking warning sign
[05:39] <SeveredCross> LimCore: Then don't use it. Leave, go away.
[05:39] <SeveredCross> Go use Slackware.
[05:39] <LimCore> how the hell is it hard to dispaly a confirmation box
[05:39] <SeveredCross> Go use SuSE, CentOS, Red Hat, Fedora.
[05:39] <SeveredCross> None of them display any warnings.
[05:40] <LimCore> yes, most of the systems are retarded in this area
[05:40] <teamcobra> kindofabuzz / gluer_: after checking the b43 checkbox in restricted drivers , open a console. Next, "wget http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.80.53.0.tar.bz2 ; tar xjf broadcom-wl-4.80.53.0.tar.bz2 ; cd broadcom-wl-4.80.53.0/kmod ; sudo b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta.o"  without quotes
[05:40] <HorizonXP> hey, question about Evolution in Hardy: I'm trying to add my Google Calendar to it, but it's only synchronizing to the main calendar; any idea how to fix this?
[05:40] <pwnguin> SeveredCross: i'd argue they're worse, because they require more 3rd party untrusted repos
[05:40] <SeveredCross> I've never seen a distro that displays a warning that says "Hey, you're installing a server!"
[05:40] <SeveredCross> pwnguin: I agree.
[05:40] <HorizonXP> also, how do I download the extra themes for Emerald?
[05:40] <LimCore> SeveredCross: why ubuntu can't be better then them
[05:40] <SeveredCross> LimCore: Then do something about it--add the code to the apps.
[05:40] <teamcobra> after all of that, reboot, b43 should work ;)
[05:40] <SeveredCross> LimCore: There's not a demand for it? It's never been an issue?
[05:40] <teamcobra> lemme know how it goes
[05:40] <LimCore> I know that many people are too close minded to come up with any change, but common people
[05:40] <kindofabuzz> i don't have that in restricted drivers
[05:40] <SeveredCross> HorizonXP: There should be a button in Emerald that says "Download GPL themes" or something like that.
[05:41] <LimCore> SeveredCross: would the attack I described work or not work?
[05:41] <SeveredCross> LimCore: If it's scponly, it shouldn't work.
[05:41] <kindofabuzz> and i can't do a wget if i don't have wireless on
[05:41] <SeveredCross> Because scponly shouldn't give you any execution privileges.
[05:41]  * pwnguin still isn't sure why scponly is dangerous
[05:41] <SeveredCross> Unless there's some sort of fundamental flew.
[05:41] <LimCore> SeveredCross: but it works, install scponly and you have ssh running
[05:41] <HorizonXP> SeveredCross: I know, that's what I've been looking for. But it's not there!
[05:41] <SeveredCross> LimCore: Yeah, but scponly gives you NO EXECUTION PRIVILEGES FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
[05:41] <SeveredCross> Read the package description.
[05:41] <LimCore> pwnguin: apt-get install scponly - bam - you have sshd server running and if I just guess your username+password I win
[05:41] <SeveredCross> You can't run programs.
[05:42] <pwnguin> LimCore: what do you win?
[05:42] <LimCore> SeveredCross: just read what I written, jesus
[05:42] <SeveredCross> !info scponly
[05:42] <ubotu> scponly (source: scponly): Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.6-1.2ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 32 kB, installed size 168 kB
[05:42] <LimCore> SeveredCross: installing scponly RUNS FULL SSHD SERVER FOR ALL USERS IN SYSTEM
[05:42] <SeveredCross> LimCore: Then that's an scponly bug, or the package description is lying.
[05:42] <LimCore> jesus
[05:42] <LimCore> it depends on openssh-server
[05:43] <LimCore> and installing openssh-server  RUNS IT IMMEDIATELLY
[05:43] <pwnguin> about the best you can do is upload a secret ls to homedir on the assumption that its in path somehow
[05:43] <SeveredCross> The package description leads me to believe that it restricts the commands available to users who log in.
[05:43] <SeveredCross> pwnguin: Well, if the user is stupid enough, you can sudo.
[05:43] <gluer_> teamcobra: ok done, whats next
[05:43] <HorizonXP> Anyone know what happened to that Fetch Themes button in Emerald
[05:43] <HorizonXP> ?
[05:43] <SeveredCross> Thing is, you can do that with ssh, yes, if the user is stupid enough.
[05:43] <teamcobra> gluer: you reboot? if not, that's all that's next, and the wireless should be working
[05:43] <pwnguin> LimCore: so pop up a warning, saying not to trust something. what's a user to do now?
[05:43] <teamcobra> gotta let me know how it works for you though ;)
[05:44] <LimCore> SeveredCross: installing scponly instals openssh-server, which IMMEDIATELLY, WITHOUT ANY CONFIRMATION  *RUNS*  FULL SSHD SERVER (not scponly server) FOR ALL ACCOUNTS IN THE FREAKING SYSTEM!
[05:44] <gluer_> teamcobra: ahh its ticked now
[05:44] <SeveredCross> They're gonna ask the person who told them to install scponly, and they'll say "Just click it through, it's ok."
[05:44] <SeveredCross> Putting big flashing warnings doesn't help.
[05:44] <pwnguin> a) your precious users dont read. b)many of them won't know enough to adaquately judge the problem
[05:44] <SeveredCross> Because users have the Windows mentality of "Ignore the warnings, they're so common."
[05:44] <teamcobra> gluer: working?
[05:44] <gluer_> gimme a sec i'll reboot and see
[05:44] <pwnguin> LimCore: why are you worried about all accounts?
[05:45] <SeveredCross> A better solution would be to make libpam-cracklib default installed, and make users have secure passwords.
[05:45] <HorizonXP> no one knows?
[05:45] <SeveredCross> But then we'd annoy the Windows converts who want to use "bob" as their password.
[05:45] <pwnguin> LimCore: the two threats to worry about there are exploiting the sshd server and the limited set of programs scponly provides
[05:46] <LimCore> ther is no scponly jesus
[05:46] <LimCore> guys, just concenterate and read simple sentence
[05:46] <LimCore> SeveredCross: installing scponly instals openssh-server, which IMMEDIATELLY, WITHOUT ANY CONFIRMATION  *RUNS*  FULL SSHD SERVER (not scponly server) FOR ALL ACCOUNTS IN THE FREAKING SYSTEM!
[05:46] <dandel> i got it fixed... involved doing a fresh reinstall from the cd though.
[05:46] <pwnguin> LimCore: i can read, thank you very much.
[05:46] <SeveredCross> pwnguin: I'm gonna vote we stop feeding the troll.
[05:46] <tritium> LimCore: calm down, please
[05:47] <tritium> Running sshd doesn't auto-compromise your system.
[05:47] <DanaG> Try ssh-ing into it.
[05:47] <DanaG> From another PC, I mean.
[05:47] <SeveredCross> I'd try it on my server box but it's running regular ssh right now and I'm not sure how that'd screw things up, if at all.
[05:47] <LimCore> DanaG: I did, it works, why it shouldnt?
[05:47] <HorizonXP> http://www.compiz.org/FAQ/Users <-- That look like someone hacked it to you?
[05:48] <DanaG> Try running commands.
[05:48] <SeveredCross> LimCore: What commands are accessible?
[05:48] <SeveredCross> Can you sudo?
[05:48] <LimCore> for the love of retarded ok
[05:48] <LimCore> ok I will try to it exacly
[05:48] <LimCore> one minute/
[05:48] <SeveredCross> HorizonXP: Yes.
[05:48] <SeveredCross> Wait, you didn't even try any commands?
[05:48] <SeveredCross> WTF?
[05:48] <tritium> LimCore: read the description of what scponly does
[05:49] <SeveredCross> For the love of $DEITY, you go on this huge rant about security, but you don't even try to see the side-effects of scponly.
[05:49] <pwnguin> is this a tirade about scponly or users installing applications?
[05:49] <LimCore> tritium: read what openssh-server does
[05:49] <SeveredCross> LimCore: Why is running sshd a security issue?
[05:49] <tritium> LimCore: you don't install scponly unless you intend to run sshd
[05:49] <pwnguin> SeveredCross: well, you could hack open-ssh server itself and gain some privledges remotely?
[05:49] <LimCore> installing scponly EXECUTES  FULL   SSHD   *NOT* scponly, it runs  FULL REAL SSHD.
[05:49] <DanaG> Oh hey, are there any easy zero-config LAN file transfer apps?
[05:49] <HorizonXP> SeveredCross: Yes?
[05:49] <SeveredCross> pwnguin: I have a feeling that's EXTREMELY difficult.
[05:49] <mneptok> LimCore: lay off the <capslock>
[05:49] <tritium> LimCore: you're not reading.  Please
[05:50] <SeveredCross> HorizonXP: Yes, it looks like someone hacked it.
[05:50] <tritium> apt-cache show scponly, LimCore
[05:50] <SeveredCross> tritium: Why is sshd a security issue?
[05:50] <pwnguin> but if your threat model is hacking openssh, well, you're right. linux is insecure
[05:50] <tritium> SeveredCross: why do you suggest that it is?
[05:50] <pwnguin> bury the box, unplug the cable, turn the power off, and maybe it's safe
[05:50] <SeveredCross> I'm not, that was an incorrect tab-complete.
[05:50] <SeveredCross> I meant LimCore: why is sshd a security issue?
[05:51] <SeveredCross> sshd is one of the most picked at and prodded pieces of software in the Linux community.
[05:51] <LimCore> SeveredCross: sshd is a security issue if the user is not 100% aware that he is about to execute open server. because he may be thinking he will not run full ssh, and he may used idiotic passwords.  and by default login to all users is allowed (including root)
[05:51] <SeveredCross> LimCore: 1. root is disabled on Ubuntu machines.
[05:51] <DanaG> Including root?
[05:51] <HorizonXP> SeveredCross: Talking to the guys in #compiz-fusion, they said they're actually trying to get compiz.org shutdown, since they use compiz-fusion.org now
[05:51] <pwnguin> what?
[05:51] <tritium> LimCore: again, you don't install scponly unless you intend to run sshd
[05:51] <SeveredCross> 2. you'd have to be a total moron to give out your password and username to someone online.
[05:51] <pwnguin> im reasonably certain root cant ssh in with no password set
[05:51] <bazhang> wow that was a big dist-upgrade from gutsy ;]
[05:51] <LimCore> SeveredCross: no problem, then ssh into users account, gues his stupid password, then use the same password for sudo. or just steal his files without sudo
[05:51] <SeveredCross> I'm sorry, but no user in the world is dumb enough to give out their password.
[05:51] <pwnguin> SeveredCross: depends
[05:52] <SeveredCross> LimCore: Yeah, but that requires guessing an account name and guessing a password.
[05:52] <LimCore> SeveredCross: get real
[05:52] <nikrud> SeveredCross that's a silly thing to say
[05:52] <nikrud> SeveredCross you were on a roll there :)
[05:52] <pwnguin> SeveredCross: there's the passwords for chocolate survey. but mostly their corporate passwords.
[05:52] <LimCore> SeveredCross: oh wow, what can be user name of my coworker Bob Doe? probably not "bob".
[05:52] <SeveredCross> I have a feeling after all the horror stories and warnings they see on TV and such about giving out passwords online and crap.
[05:52] <SeveredCross> LimCore: If you're hacking into a coworker's computer, just sit down at the physical machine FFS.
[05:52] <pwnguin> SeveredCross: mjg recently had someone hack his tv computer.
[05:52] <LimCore> what can be his password? probably not "desktop" or "secret" or "bobbob" or "1980"
[05:52] <SeveredCross> You're blowing this WAY out of proprtion.
[05:52] <bazhang> over 1000 packages! ;]
[05:52] <pwnguin> SeveredCross: username "media" password "media"
[05:53] <tritium> LimCore: again, that's a user issue.
[05:53] <bazhang> hi LimCore
[05:53] <nikrud> bazhang having any networkmanager issues?
[05:53] <LimCore> SeveredCross: his HOME computer. the one he never suspects anyone will be able to   ***TRY*** to log into
[05:53] <DanaG> Are there any avahi-based file transfer thingies?
[05:53] <pwnguin> nobody's above stupid mistakes :)
[05:53] <gluer> teamcobra: ok i can see my wap's now, but when i try and connect i get max cpu! and no connection
[05:53] <LimCore> yes, users are not trained in security
[05:53] <DanaG> My user password is ********** letters long.
[05:53] <bazhang> nikrud: not so far! had back around alpha 5 but now am good; how about you?
[05:53] <LimCore> and system should warn when theyu are about to do something stupic
[05:53] <SeveredCross> I suppose if you're really dedicated you could guess the username and password, but I feel like that's a huge leap to think that someone could go thorugh #ubuntu and take over every user's computer.
[05:53] <tritium> LimCore: you're not listening.
[05:53] <teamcobra> gluer: hrmmmmmmm..... no idea there, I'm using wpa here no problems
[05:54] <SeveredCross> Without anyone figuring things out.
[05:54] <DanaG> And my WPA passphrase is ************************* characters long, with punctuation and mixed case.
[05:54] <LimCore> tritium: I am, yes it IS user issue. which good system would HELP to fix
[05:54] <pwnguin> LimCore: how about a package that you can install that conflicts with network services and yells real loud if a conflict resolution would remove it?
[05:54] <SeveredCross> My user account password is 12 letters, mixed lower case, upper case, and punctuation.
[05:54] <bazhang> LimCore: but getting a bit offtopic
[05:54] <LimCore> pwnguin: this exists already.  run konqueror
[05:54] <pwnguin> what?
[05:54] <SeveredCross> What?
[05:54] <tritium> LimCore: scponly is a wrapper to ssh server functions.  You don't install scponly without knowing you plan to run sshd
[05:54] <nikrud> bazhang signal 11. Was working for a while today, with the latest updates.
[05:55] <pwnguin> how does konquerer conflict with tellnet?
[05:55] <LimCore> konqueror browser is smarter about security - it even warns when using cookies or sending a form (ok this is a bit extream :P)
[05:55] <bazhang> nikrud: I hope you dont have the bcm43xx card
[05:55] <pwnguin> LimCore: ff3 has much better cert security. annoynig as hell. but not germane to the subject you raised;
[05:55] <nikrud> bazhang yup. I that another issue I haven't found yet?
[05:55] <LimCore> konqueror warns about sending a form to webpage... and scponly do not even mention it just EXECUTED SSHD.  wtf
[05:55] <tritium> LimCore: read teh scponly package description.
[05:55] <LimCore> tritium: I did, and?
[05:55] <tritium> LimCore: and stop with the foul-language acronyms
[05:56] <SeveredCross> LimCore: I think it's pretty clear that scponly is going to install sshd.
[05:56] <SeveredCross> It provides remote users access.
[05:56] <mneptok> LimCore: you cannot have scp without ssh.
[05:56] <tritium> LimCore: and it's OBVIOUS that you'll be running sshd, or you wouldn't use or need it.
[05:56] <SeveredCross> It's pretty clear it's going to install some sort of server.
[05:56] <pwnguin> LimCore: it also installs a seperate shell with limited capacity to exploit. but even if a user is told they're running sshd, why would they stop and think twice?
[05:56] <bazhang> nikrud: apparently someone was using ndiswrapper and not the fw-cutter and could not understand why it was not working; once that was installed her problem went away ;]
[05:56] <tritium> LimCore: ssh | openssh-server are also listed in the package dependencies
[05:56] <LimCore> hey bob, check out this new linux game "scponly".  what will bob do probably  "read scponly description, study man pages, read sources"  -or- apt-get install scponky
[05:56] <nikrud> nope, using b43-fwcutter
[05:57] <tritium> LimCore: that is *not* an ubuntu security issue.  That is a user issue.
[05:57] <SeveredCross> And I still hold my ground that users who see security warnings will just breeze through them.
[05:57] <bazhang> nikrud: the hal pre-update seems to have caused some issues; not sure if that affected you or not
[05:57] <LimCore> each time friend tells me to check program X, I can't wait to go to my computer and check all the dependencies. Right after that I read entire sources of it, and then I create world peace and invent cure for cancer..... you really think this happens for typical newbie user?
[05:57] <ogre> im using *3945 wireless card and it got borked w/ latest network-manager update
[05:57] <pwnguin> LimCore: and there is no good solution to that user education
[05:58] <SeveredCross> ogre: It's actually HAL.
[05:58] <bazhang> SeveredCross: aiya; let it go ;]
[05:58] <mneptok> LimCore: what do you expect to install?
[05:58] <SeveredCross> Grab the latest HAL, it's launchpad bug 204879
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204879 in ubuntu "[hardy] Network Manager is sluggish in making wireless connection and sometimes fails. When failure, it sends CPU usage skyhigh." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204879
[05:58] <tritium> LimCore: again, not a security issue.  That's a user and/or administrator issue.
[05:58] <ogre> SeveredCross:  ahh i see. i hope it gets fixed soon
[05:58] <pwnguin> LimCore: no. propose to me what SHOULD happen when someone tries to social engineer a single user
[05:58] <DanaG> The solution: read package descriptions.
[05:58] <DanaG> The user has to know to do that.
[05:59] <nikrud> bazhang strange thing is I was having that issue early, then got the latest hal stuff. Things worked great. Rebooted into gutsy for work, back into hardy and again, no network manager. Oh weill, it's an excuse to try out manual stuff. Had to learn it some day
[05:59] <bazhang> oh wait today is a full moon ;]
[05:59] <LimCore> pwnguin: there is:  "You are about to install and RUN ssh server. This will allow anyone to log into your computer FROM LAN AND INTERNET! If only he can guess your user password. Make sure you have a good user password. Type is 'execute' in the box below if you understand that users will be eable to execute any commands and actions on your box"
[05:59] <tritium> LimCore: you'd have your opportunity to troll.  Please stop now.
[05:59] <pwnguin> THE INTERNAET!!!!!
[05:59] <LimCore> tritium: every new idea is trolling, yes.
[05:59] <bazhang> pwnguin: your internet connection alright?
[06:00] <pwnguin> bazhang: fine
[06:00] <pwnguin> bazhang: after i repaired it
[06:00] <LimCore> pwnguin: the above box should happen.
[06:00] <bazhang> pwnguin: nice! ;]
[06:00] <SeveredCross> If a user is socially engineerable enough to believe something like that, you could easily convince them that it's so they can play the game on the internet with others and they'll type execute for you.
[06:00] <pwnguin> LimCore: well a) its' incomplete
[06:00] <pwnguin> b) nobody reads it
[06:00] <ogre> bazhang:  pwnguin helped me repair mine too
[06:00] <pwnguin> you've proposed an annoyance
[06:00] <pwnguin> ogre: im surprised you're not fully up and running
[06:00] <bazhang> LimCore: take 'er easy, eh?
[06:00] <LimCore> pwnguin: b) is they don't read it then they will not install it :) because it requires to input that word, so.
[06:01] <bazhang> ogre: nice! that pwnguin is a helpful type ;]
[06:01] <ogre> pwnguin:  yeah i waited a few minutes to connect but no luck
[06:01] <ogre> bazhang:  yeah he is
[06:02] <tritium> LimCore: people need to take responsibilities for their own actions.  If they're going to install a package, they need to at least know why they're installing it, and know what it's for.  Reading the package description is not too much to ask.
[06:03] <LimCore> tritium: not true - most people trust ubuntu packages, and they also think that if they do not EXECUTE anything directly, then nothing can brake
[06:03] <teamcobra> I'm at a loss :/
[06:03] <bazhang> teamcobra: this argument, or your install?
[06:03] <teamcobra> bazhang: this install :p :p the argument is getting long in the tooth too
[06:03]  * [hardy]ogre passes around cookies for everyone
[06:04] <DanaG> Does gvfs not support WebDAV?
[06:04] <tritium> LimCore: no, quite true.  People *are* responsible for their own actions -- fact of life, my friend.
[06:04] <bazhang> s/brake/bork/
[06:04] <LimCore> tritium: ok, so windows is secure by that definition
[06:04] <LimCore> I think your definition is not very good for this reason
[06:04] <bazhang> teamcobra: is it network stuff as well? or something else?
[06:04] <teamcobra> I've done my fair number of linux installs (debian/slack/gutsy/hardy), made a custom hardy dvd, now I need to tackle raid5 ;p
[06:04] <pwnguin> not so much
[06:04] <[hardy]ogre> now i am off to watch ALL harry potter movies for the first time
[06:05] <agroker> [hardy]ogre, http://www.noisebot.com/come_to_the_dark_side_we_have_cookies_t-shirt
[06:05] <bazhang> [hardy]ogre: have fun! ;]
[06:05] <tritium> LimCore: that definition had *NOTHING* to do with security of an OS
[06:05] <pwnguin> even with windows users being intelligent, you're reliant on a reluctant vendor to provide patches in the face of mere disclosure
[06:05] <jester7> what kind of negatives do i get from booting with the noapic switch?
[06:05] <charles___> what is the difference between a generic kernel and a 386 kernel?
[06:05] <nikrud> yawn
[06:05] <bazhang> charles___: well the generic supports SMP
[06:06] <teamcobra> naah, just raid5.... makes the amd64 server install cd b0rk at about 70% installing packages, and makes the grub/lilo install break on the amd64 alternate cd
[06:06] <pwnguin> charles___: two things mostly: build's optimized for 686 or better, and smp support
[06:06] <teamcobra> jester: noapic will disable hyperthreading on your cpu
[06:06] <LimCore> pwnguin: most of windows insecurity comes from the fact how easly one stupid action can get box owned.  with scponly or other programs that open widelly system without warning, ubuntu is the same way
[06:06] <bazhang> LimCore: join ##windows then ;]
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> LimCore: This channel is for discussion of Hardy issues only.  Please stick to that topic.
[06:07] <LimCore> bazhang: and? this insecurity is in ubuntu
[06:07] <LimCore> tonyyarusso: it would be nice to path that in hardy
[06:07] <teamcobra> LimCore: and imagine the attacker planting ssh keys in the user's trusted keystore via network shares ;) ;)
[06:07] <bazhang> haha
[06:07] <teamcobra> hola gluer
[06:07] <tritium> LimCore: that does not follow.  Nothing about installing openssh-server makes it weak on security, unless there is a vulnerability in sshd that has not been fixed.
[06:07] <pwnguin> LimCore: write up a spec and milestone it for intrepid ;)
[06:08] <LimCore> teamcobra: how this attack you proposed will get around user's passphrase
[06:08] <gluer> teamcobra: thanks man, worked for me
[06:08] <pwnguin> tritium: weak passwords, but you solve that by adding in a password strenth checker ;)
[06:08] <pwnguin> not by lecturing users
[06:08] <bazhang> gluer all good?
[06:08] <LimCore> pwnguin: that should be added too indeed
[06:08] <gluer> yeh all good
[06:08] <bazhang> nice
[06:08] <tritium> pwnguin: ?
[06:08] <teamcobra> gluer: _awesome_ :D
[06:08] <gluer> very
[06:08] <gluer> latest version of hardy all working
[06:08] <LimCore> tritium: the weaknes comes from fact that user is not aware that he just, indirectly, installed and executed sshd
[06:09] <teamcobra> gluer: the b43 drivers are _sooooo_ much nicer than using ndiswrapper
[06:09] <tritium> LimCore: we've discussed this.  His own fault for not reading the package description before installing.
[06:09] <teamcobra> my laptop stays up 24x7 thanks to b43, it used to crash every few hours of heavy wireless usage before ;p
[06:09] <simion314> something changed from alpha 4 to beta with compiz or the open source driver for ATI, i succesfuly enabled compiz but it works very bad, in 7.10 and 8.04 alpha 4 worked ok, What changed? maybe i can go to the old package
[06:09] <LimCore> tritium: you tink how many people do that
[06:09] <gluer> teamcobra: so weird it was all working fine in alpha 4-5
[06:09] <tritium> LimCore: we're all going to stop discussing this now.
[06:10] <jester7> teamcobra: do you get decent speeds with the b43 drivers?
[06:10] <LimCore> tritium: yes, you are too closed minded, many people are this way
[06:10] <Hydrogen> could yo two take this to a private message?
[06:10] <teamcobra> jester: 1.1M/s, yes
[06:10] <Hydrogen> It's getting kind of tiresome
[06:10] <tritium> LimCore: watch it with the insults, buddy
[06:10] <mneptok> LimCore: we're all going to stop discussing this now. many people are this way.
[06:10] <jester7> teamcobra: thats a horrible speed
[06:10] <LimCore> it's not an insult, it's just a fact, you are not willing to discuss any idea that would change existing approach to security
[06:11] <bazhang> thanks to this channel and fine folks here I have waited and avoided many of the breakage updates ;]
[06:11]  * DanaG uses iwl3945, and it sucks.
[06:11] <mneptok> LimCore: i'm sure such a discussion on a developer mailing list is more appropriate
[06:11] <pwnguin> heh
[06:11] <pwnguin> iwl works fine for me
[06:11] <teamcobra> jester: no, not Mbit/s, mega_bytes_ per second ;)
[06:11] <mneptok> LimCore: we're all going to stop discussing this now.
[06:11] <bazhang> DanaG: really? I have success with that now; other than forgetting my wallet password ;]
[06:11] <jester7> i see...
[06:11] <LimCore> mneptok: you said that last time and failed btw ;)
[06:11] <agroker> what did you discuss guys, am i late/
[06:12] <DanaG> For me, I can only connect at 24 or 36 megabits at home; in Windows, I get 54.
[06:12] <mneptok> LimCore: i will not next time.
[06:12] <LimCore> mneptok: you just did.
[06:12] <tritium> LimCore: we've discussed it for quite some time now.  Time to stop.
[06:12] <bazhang> agroker: some network issues
[06:12] <DanaG> I also get the card locking up sometimes after a resume from sleep.
[06:12] <jester7> teamcobra: i just notice that in the network manager it registers either 1 or 2 Mbit/s.  maybe that's a network manager bug?
[06:12] <DanaG> If I try to modprobe -r the module, moprobe hangs and devours CPU.
[06:12] <pwnguin> did anyone even suggest ubuntu-offtopic?
[06:12] <DanaG> And becomes unkillable with ANY signal (I've tried them all), even from root.
[06:12] <bazhang> wow
[06:13] <pwnguin> i know it's about as mean as kickbanning someone, but it migth be more constructive
[06:13] <teamcobra> jester: I just checked, and you're right.... but it's a netmanager bug ;)
[06:13] <jester7> teamcobra: ok, cool
[06:13] <DanaG> Oh hey, how do you change UI language after installing the packages with the Language Support thingy?
[06:13] <jester7> now, anybody know about this noapic thing?
[06:13] <charles___> how can I tell which driver is currently being used by X?
[06:14] <teamcobra> aww, and I was just about to msg him w/ a shockwave video of someone getting r00ted via network share and ssh keys, and the pwned box happens to be ubuntu :p
[06:14] <teamcobra> jester: yeah, noapic will disable hyperthreading on your cpu
[06:14] <Lynoure> charles___: check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:14] <jester7> doh
[06:15] <bazhang> charles___: open a terminal and cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:15] <jester7> teamcobra: i'm interested in that shockwave vid
[06:15] <bazhang> charles___: then look for the driver name
[06:15] <pwnguin> Lynoure: what if you're using bulletproofX at the time?
[06:15] <pwnguin> failsafe mode has a seperate xorg.conf
[06:15] <hiredgoon> is there an easy grub switch to disable hyperthreading?
[06:16] <teamcobra> jester: I'll have to dig it up, gimme a few mins
[06:16] <Lynoure> pwnguin: ask the channel about that, I've never used that. Does it ship with Ubuntu?
[06:16] <pwnguin> Lynoure: ....yes? since gutsy?
[06:17] <pwnguin> /var/log/Xorg.0.log will have an accurate hint at what you're currently using, if you know what to look for
[06:17] <Lynoure> pwnguin: if it is the default (apt-cache search bulletproof did not give any X), that's still the confic file
[06:18] <pwnguin> its not a package
[06:18] <jester7> so does using noapic mean i'm not using one of my dual cores?
[06:18] <pwnguin> its an alternative configuration provided with gdm in case X fails to start
[06:19] <BlueLaguna> I just upgraded to Hardy...and my sound stopped working
[06:19] <BlueLaguna> KMix says "Mixer cannot be found" :-/
[06:20] <Lynoure> pwnguin: oh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX  , any idea if it also works with kdm?
[06:20] <gluer> teamcobra: my wireless is connected and working but my CPU is at 100%, when i turn off wireless its fine again?
[06:20] <pwnguin> dont quote me on this, but i think it doesnt have any provisions for it
[06:20] <pwnguin> kdm is kinda suck
[06:20] <bazhang> is the bulletproof x recovery mode?
[06:21] <BlueLaguna> Any idea what's causing my sound problem?
[06:21] <teamcobra> gluer: I'm not sure, someone else said something about that earlier, and I think it was wpa or wpa2 related
[06:21] <gluer> yeh im using wpa2
[06:21] <teamcobra> jester: no, it'll still use both cores
[06:21] <bazhang> im using wpa2 as well, but Hardy says it is wpa, no problems connecting though
[06:23] <Lynoure> pwnguin: Seems to work pretty reliably otherwise, *shrug*
[06:23] <pwnguin> Lynoure: it doesnt work with thinkfinger either
[06:23] <teamcobra> jester7, ready for some football? here's the vids: http://www.metasploit.com/research/conferences/  , Check out the videos from Black Hat Briefing 2007
[06:23] <pwnguin> Lynoure: if i recall, there's a problem with it not actually using pam or some such
[06:25] <teamcobra> does /boot have to be on a non-raid drive for grub to work?
[06:25] <SeveredCross> It might.
[06:25] <Lynoure> pwnguin: I think that got changed some time back, unless it has broken again
[06:25] <pwnguin> Lynoure: well then, one less reason to hate it i guess
[06:26] <teamcobra> Severed: sweet, I'll give it a shot after smoking..... my body needs nicotine
[06:26] <jester7> teamcobra: thanks for the link, i completely forgot i'm on using a cellphone-as-a-modem connection.  128k really won't cut it for checking those vids :)
[06:26] <jester7> but i've got it bookmarked so i'll check it out
[06:26] <pwnguin> jester7: wget ;)
[06:26] <teamcobra> jester: they're small
[06:26] <jester7> oh, ok...i'll give it a shot
[06:26] <pwnguin> 3.1M
[06:27] <teamcobra> yeah, 1-5mb for each, ssh_masher = 1.7mb
[06:27] <Lynoure> pwnguin: But thanks for giving a reason. Too much general  "foobar sucks because I don't like it" in the world, makes it hard to improve stuff
[06:27] <teamcobra> brb, smoking my face off
[06:28] <jester7> ok, good call.  16K/s not bad for 1xrtt
[06:29] <snerfu> hmm my installer got hung up on the last part "writing system logs.." so I closed it down but luckily everything booted up fine after that.
[06:30] <jester7> any chance they are going to fix the low volume a lot of computers are having before the final release?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> probably the same chance of fixing the high volume my computer has before release.
[06:34] <pwnguin> jester7: have you tried alsamixer?
[06:34] <DanaG> I'd need a shrink-ray to reduce the volume of my computer.
[06:35] <jester7> pwnguin: what do you mean?
[06:35] <jester7> i'm just dealing with the default hardy install...alsamixer isn't default i guess?
[06:36] <jester7> well, alsamixer seems to be the default
[06:36] <DanaG> I use touchpad, myself.
[06:37] <DanaG> In fact, if I had to get a desktop again, I'd probably actually get a touchpad for it!
[06:37] <DanaG> Odd, but true.
[06:37] <DanaG> oops, wrong tab.
[06:37] <DanaG> Dang tabbed chat.
[06:37] <jester7> lmao
[06:37] <jester7> i agree anyway....touchpad all the way :p
[06:38] <SeveredCross> Touchpads suck.
[06:38] <SeveredCross> Give me a good mouse any day.
[06:38] <DanaG> Mmmm, RSI.
[06:38] <DanaG> At least with my MX700, when playing HL2:ep2 when it's "frickin' cold".
[06:43] <telexicon> oh, whats the plan for firefox?
[06:44] <telexicon> seems like ff3 wont be done until june
[06:45] <HorizonXP> anyone use the new evolution yet?
[06:45] <telexicon> HorizonXP, not yet, but im definitely planning on it
[06:46] <HorizonXP> hmm...
[06:46] <HorizonXP> Google Calendar support is good, but it only syncs to my main calendar
[06:46] <HorizonXP> doesn't seem to pick up on the fact that I have more than 1
[06:50] <pwnguin> touchpads do suck, but on the airplane your choices are limited
[06:51] <pwnguin> which is why i have a tablet ;)
[06:51] <teamcobra> yeah, one of my pet projects is designing a tablet
[06:52] <pwnguin> thats quite a project ;)
[06:52] <pwnguin> lemme give you a suggestion: lighter is better
[06:52] <teamcobra> yeah, it's pocket-based ;)
[06:53] <teamcobra> for music tracking and stuff ;)
[06:53] <pwnguin> music tracking
[06:53] <pwnguin> like .it?
[06:53] <pwnguin> or like iPod
[06:53] <teamcobra> like .it , I'm a happy Renoise owner ;) www.renoise.com
[06:54] <pwnguin> ever seen nitrotracker?
[06:54] <teamcobra> no, googling now :)
[06:54] <teamcobra> haha, nice
[06:55] <teamcobra> I wanted to do the same thing, but never got around to buying a  ds + devkit
[06:55] <pwnguin> yea, you can record your own instruments with the mic
[06:55] <teamcobra> the killer app for such a tracker would be a stylus-based scratching utility ;)
[06:55] <pwnguin> well, the ds is expensive, but you can get microsd tools to run ds software for like 40
[06:56] <pwnguin> teamcobra: there's also electroplanton ;)
[06:56] <teamcobra> yeah, my buddy's brother does a lot of ds dev, he also wrote a snes debugger/resourcer
[06:57] <teamcobra> he still has his superwildcard dx in the snes ;)
[06:57] <teamcobra> last I talked to him, he was building a starfox 2 cartridge :p
[06:58] <pwnguin> heh
[06:58] <pwnguin> thats quite old
[06:58] <teamcobra> yeah, but it was an unreleased beta
[06:58] <teamcobra> that uses a modified superfx chip
[06:58] <teamcobra> he got it working on the swcDX, and wanted to get it working on a physical cart ;)
[06:58] <pwnguin> i meant the swc
[06:59] <pwnguin> oh, and apparently korg is making ds cartr
[07:00] <pwnguin> http://www.aqi.co.jp/product/ds10/en/index.html
[07:01] <teamcobra> wow, now akai has to follow suit ;)
[07:01] <pwnguin> teamcobra: you mentioned scratch on the DS, how's this? http://gorgull.googlepages.com/home2
[07:01] <teamcobra> mpc-ds ;)
[07:01] <DanaG> Heh: http://lenovoblogs.com/designmatters/?p=58
[07:01] <teamcobra> wowowowowow, it sends midi over WIFI?
[07:02] <pwnguin> teamcobra: yep
[07:02] <teamcobra> for scratching!? wowowowo, ds + traktor = pwn pwn pwn
[07:02] <DanaG> Anybody here have a Logitech DiNovo Edge (the one with the circular touchpad)?
[07:02] <DanaG> I'm curious whether it works with the Synaptics driver.
[07:04] <pwnguin> why's that keyboard say IBM?
[07:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, there are two drivers for touchpads
[07:05] <DanaG> What I mean is, it's possible that Logitech has chosen not to expose the touchpad device directly.
[07:10] <xjjk> DanaG: yes, I have it
[07:10] <xjjk> DanaG: I don't know, I've not tried...
[07:10] <xjjk> that is going to be a sophisticated xorg.conf I have to write, since I've another mouse I use
[07:11] <xjjk> DanaG: those would be fantastic if they were wireless
[07:11] <HorizonXP> hey, i'm having trouble with google calendar in evo 2.22
[07:11] <HorizonXP> in my account, i have more than one calendar. How do I add calendars to evo other than my default one?
[07:12] <DanaG> xjjk: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log   -- look for Synaptics.
[07:13] <gluer_> how do i get scrolling icons in bottom of screen?
[07:13] <DanaG> A dock?
[07:14] <gluer_> dg: yeh
[07:14] <xjjk> DanaG: hrm, I need to startup X with the keyboard connected for something to be in there, won't I...
[07:14] <DanaG> I'm not sure on that, actually.
[07:14] <xjjk> I hotplugged it, and all I got were two XINPUT lines telling me I connected a new keyboard and mouse
[07:15] <DanaG> aah.
[07:15] <xjjk> DanaG: what did you want to do with the synaptics driver, just wondering?
[07:16] <DanaG> There are cool things I already do with my laptop touchpad: two-finger scrolling, circular scrolling, multi-finger tapping, and such.
[07:16] <birmaan> morning
[07:16] <DanaG> ⍤⍥⍤⍥⍤⍥⍤⍥⍤⍥⍤⍥!
[07:16] <xjjk> the edge trackpad is sort of small for that IMHO...
[07:16] <xjjk> it does it's circular edge scrolling already, which I suppose is implemented in hardware
[07:17]  * xjjk types a line with no meaning just because it's fun to type on this keyboard
[07:19] <pwnguin> do the nvidia binaries work with vts reliably?
[07:19] <pwnguin> ive been told before they don't, but ive never personally hit that bug
[07:22] <pwnguin> so the new hal supposedly added support for tabletPC awareness
[07:23] <pwnguin> any idea what that means in visible features?
[07:24] <telexicon> the features are nice
[07:24] <telexicon> hows the push for stability going?
[07:25] <VanDyke> anyone here tried the alternate x64 CD ?
[07:25] <teamcobra_> back, looks like the update broke b43, owell ;p
[07:32] <nickrud> glad to see I'm not the only casualty of b43
[07:32] <nickrud> well, not glad exactly
[07:32] <VanDyke> b43 ?
[07:33] <bazhang> broadcom wireless
[07:35] <VanDyke> ooooh
[07:36] <VanDyke> hehehehe
[07:36] <VanDyke> that's a fun one
[07:36] <VanDyke> I tried the x64 KDE4 cd here
[07:36] <VanDyke> no luck with that one
[07:36] <VanDyke> KDE4 came broken by default
[07:38] <bazhang> not so here; worked like a charm
[07:39] <VanDyke> did the splash screen work for you, bazhang ?
[07:39] <VanDyke> at boot time
[07:40] <bazhang> for kde4? or 64bit?
[07:40] <VanDyke> the kde4 x64 cd
[07:40] <VanDyke> splash at boot time
[07:40] <bazhang> bad burn?
[07:41] <VanDyke> no it's after being installed
[07:41] <VanDyke> my screen was blank
[07:41] <bazhang> hmm that is odd
[07:41] <VanDyke> then when it loaded kdm it showed up
[07:41] <bazhang> video card all right?
[07:41] <VanDyke> yeah
[07:41] <VanDyke> 8800GT, 15" screen
[07:41] <bazhang> strange
[07:41] <bazhang> oh yeah that card..some users have reported problems
[07:42] <VanDyke> I changed vga modes on menu.lst, with no success
[07:42] <VanDyke> interesting
[07:42] <bazhang> first adopters always suffer ;[
[07:42] <VanDyke> I also installed NVIDIA official driver, but it would conflict in NVRM kernel module
[07:42] <VanDyke> I had always to first do rmmod / modprobe then load kdm
[07:42] <bazhang> ouch
[07:43] <teamcobra_> bbiab all
[07:43] <bazhang> cya
[07:43] <VanDyke> cya
[07:43] <VanDyke> really weird
[07:43] <DanaG> My consoles are also blank if I use vga=anything, or if I use savagefb (on an old laptop).
[07:43] <VanDyke> I'm getting the x86 cd now
[07:44] <DanaG> Oddly enough, running aptitude or cacafire shows colors, but no text.
[07:44] <DanaG> I have to setupcon every time I change VT.
[07:44] <bazhang> very odd
[07:44] <VanDyke> very very odd
[07:44] <VanDyke> also KDE4 wouldn't load here
[07:45] <VanDyke> it shows that initial splash with loading stuff, then crash the plasma desktop and bam, stay there
[07:46] <bazhang> that stinks, because kde4 is really nice in Hardy
[07:46] <VanDyke> well
[07:46] <VanDyke> let's see with the 32bit cd
[07:47] <simi> hi, after a ctrl+alt+backspace the gnome panels had disapered and i can't make them appear, i can't launch anything because the alt+f2 is not working
[08:01] <gluer_> which music player is best to use?
[08:01] <pwnguin> i like guitars
[08:02] <pwnguin> my roommate is fond of drums, but i say thats not music
[08:02] <gluer_> want a player with internet radio
[08:02] <pwnguin> a player, or player and browser?
[08:03] <pwnguin> if you've got a url in mind, i think totem can accomodate you
[08:03] <gluer_> yeh i was thinking something like real player
[08:03] <pwnguin> thats not an answer anymore =/
[08:03] <pwnguin> real player has shitty promotional crap that gets in the way now
[08:04] <pwnguin> did you want that?
[08:04] <gluer_> just the music :-)
[08:05] <pwnguin> totem might be all you need
[08:05] <pwnguin> what's the url?
[08:07] <bazhang> www.deezer.com for internet streaming
[08:07] <pwnguin> rhythmbox also handles it now it seems
[08:07] <pwnguin> but i have to say, as great as I've found rhythmbox for my personal needs, it seems to be very poorly maintained
[08:07] <gluer_> will try totem
[08:11] <DanaG> I use QuodLibet or Exaile.
[08:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs27/i/2008/070/a/a/Funny_T_Shirt_Wallpaper_by_WhatevaAccount.jpg
[08:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what's the random wallpaper app's name?
[08:29] <DanaG> For one thing, that's NSFW; for another thing, can you say, back pain?
[08:29] <Belisarivs> HI all.
[08:30] <Belisarivs> I have problem with wifi card Intel 3945 in Hardy. Could someone help me?
[08:31] <bluebanana>  Hello. I'm installing Xubuntu 8.04 beta on a computer. In final stage (Step 8 of 8), the advanced option has a check mark on the box beside "Install Boot Loader". The following line has "Device for Boot loader installation.". In the dropdown list, "(hd0)" is what was preselected. Is this correct? Or should I change from (hd0) to "/dev/sda" or to "dev/sda1". Please help! Thanks
[08:31] <Belisarivs> I'd like to fill bugreport in launchpad, but I'd like to ask for help to make it as accurate as possible.
[08:31] <Belisarivs> Do you use SATA?
[08:31] <kebinusan> so I started messing around with hardy, but Im noticing some studders in audio playback in things that use xine (kaffeine for example) any ideas on how to fix that
[08:32] <Belisarivs> Well, if you don't find solution, you cal still use mplayer as backend in kaffeine.
[08:32] <Belisarivs> Instead of xine.
[08:33] <Belisarivs> -cal +can
[08:33] <kebinusan> yeah I'll try gstreamer and see if it happens as well
[08:34] <Belisarivs> mplayer is imho better
[08:34] <kebinusan> Also, I had a similar problem in gusty and I cant find the way I fixed it but I dont get usplash or text during the boot process, just a black screen and fonts on my consoles (alt+f1) is missing I just have a blinking cursor
[08:34] <salty-horse> hi. the gworldclock applet has v's marked on "show weather" and "show temprature" but all I see is whitespace to the left of the time and date. should that feature work?
which is your graphic card?
[08:36] <kebinusan> nvidia 8600 gt
then it is known issue to be fixed.
[08:37] <Belisarivs> AFAIK
[08:38] <DanaG> I also have blank consoles if I use vesafb or nvidiafb OR savagefb.
[08:38] <Belisarivs> Your monitor goes to stand by during the boot and when is boot finished, it turns on.  OK?
[08:38] <DanaG> Oddly enough, try running cacafire on the blank console, and you'll get colors but no text.
[08:38] <DanaG> Run setupcon, and you'll get text back.
[08:38] <DanaG> "blinking cursor" implies "monitor on".
[08:39] <Belisarivs> ah
[08:39] <Belisarivs> mea culpa
[08:39] <Belisarivs> I read about something like that. So, I thought, that that's it.
[08:39] <kebinusan> yeah I mean after hitting enter a few times
[08:40] <kebinusan> I can login and run commands my typing isnt terrible
[08:40] <DanaG> I love having a 7200RPM notebook drive.
[08:41] <DanaG> I can get 20 to 40 megabytes per second, depending on position (start→end) of the drive.
[08:41] <kebinusan> I'll have to remember that setupcon thing DanaG, at least I'll be able to see what I type
[08:41] <DanaG> You have to setupcon every time you vt-switch.  It's annoying.
[08:42] <MFen> are there any known issues with encoding mp4a audio on hardy?
[08:42] <MFen> i can't get any tool to do it
[08:43] <Belisarivs> Then it doesn't have to be issue.
[08:43] <MFen> i have the gstreamer0.10-{bad,ugly}{,-multiverse}-plugins installed
[08:43] <Belisarivs> I'm quite sure mencoder can deal with it.
[08:43] <MFen> many many posts saying it works (on some indeterminate version of ubuntu), and many many saying it doesn't
[08:44] <MFen> i seem to be in the "doesn't" camp
[08:44] <MFen> well, do you know the options to use? i've tried mencoder and vlc
[08:44] <MFen> maybe i'm using it wrong
[08:44] <Belisarivs> BTW, why do you use mp4 when there is ogg. Your flash player doesn't support it?
[08:45] <MFen> what is this flash player you speak of?  i'm trying to use an ipod
[08:47] <Belisarivs> aha
[08:47] <Belisarivs> I try to avoid name "mp3 player"
[08:48] <Belisarivs> perhaps portable player is more accurate
[08:48] <MFen> sure
[08:48] <MFen> but this particular portable player only supports mp4 afaik
[08:48] <Belisarivs> Or mp3, but mp4 is imho better
[08:48] <MFen> i guess that's the "container format".  i don't know what codecs the container supports, nor whether or not the ipod supports any other codecs than mp4[va]
[08:49] <MFen> but mp4a is broken here, that's all i know
[08:49] <Belisarivs> I think, that faac is what you seek.
[08:49] <Belisarivs> mp4 is aac in mp4 container IMHO
[08:49] <MFen> Belisarivs: the mp4 container won't contain mp3, it seems
[08:50] <Belisarivs> I think so, too.
[08:50] <MFen> interesting. faac wasn't installed
[08:50] <MFen> installing it now.
[08:50] <Belisarivs> I think, that ipod supports mp3 as well.
[08:51] <MFen> they certainly do. but this is for ipod *video*
[08:51] <Belisarivs> faac is aac encoder and faad is decoder
[08:51] <Belisarivs> btw, these are cli
[08:51] <MFen> the video container has to contain some combination of compatible codecs
[08:51] <MFen> yeah, that's fine
[08:52] <DanaG> I would only ever consider buying an iPod Touch if I could find software to do following two things:
[08:52] <DanaG> 1.  Playback by folders! (iPod software uses tags)
[08:52] <DanaG> 2.  Ogg (Vorbis) support
[08:53] <DanaG> Oh, and FLAC too, but that's less critical for me.
[08:53] <[hardy]ogre> DanaG:  try rockbox firmware
[08:53] <DanaG> On iPod Touch? I don't think so.
[08:54] <DanaG> I already have my iAudio6 that does both of those; I'd just want a mobile internet thingy.
[08:54] <[hardy]ogre> ya notsure if they have anything for ipod touch yet
[08:54] <MFen> hmm
[08:54] <MFen> i went with avidemux, which is able to use faac automatically it seems
[08:55] <MFen> and it looks like "Auto > IPOD" created a file with mp4v and mpga
[08:55] <MFen> that seems plausible. i'll try it on the ipod now.
[08:59] <jindal2> hey guys, i ant to upgrade from gutsy to latest hardy beta, is replacing gutsy to hardy in sources.list and update + dist-upgrade is the right way?
[08:59] <Belisarivs> :)
[09:00] <Belisarivs> NO!!!!!!!!
[09:00] <jindal2> then?
[09:00] <Belisarivs> sudo update-manager -d
[09:00] <Belisarivs> You could screw your system pretty much.
[09:00] <DanaG> !gksudo
[09:00] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[09:01] <jindal2> Belisarivs, are not both the same? :-)
I think so.
[09:01] <Belisarivs> gksudo is just graphical sudo
[09:02] <Belisarivs> at ubuntuguide.org they use both
[09:02] <jindal2> Belisarivs, i just don't like gui tools that much
[09:02] <musikgoat> anyone know if there is really 124 updates since the beta release?
[09:03] <musikgoat> i'm getting this listing of updates, but I try to Install Updates, and the update manager just hangs
Me too. Perhaps apt-get dist-upgrade wouldhelp, you too. But changing repos and doing apt-get upgrade could screw your system as some apps need to be removed, some need to be installed and so. Apt can't handle it that well.
try sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:04] <Belisarivs> Personally, I installed all updates minutes ago by synaptic.
[09:05] <musikgoat> Belisarivs: i'm waiting to see if update manager will follow my instructions to close, as its not responding to selecting the X
[09:06] <Belisarivs> try to kill it by xkill (as root), but not sure if it will not hang and lock pid and so preventing you form use of another updater
[09:06] <musikgoat> killed a gksu process and that fixed
[09:06] <Belisarivs> ok
[09:06] <musikgoat> testing upgrading though term
[09:07] <jindal2> Belisarivs, heh i don't hav update-manager installed :-)
Did Ipod play your files?
[09:07] <MFen> Belisarivs: now i'm having trouble finding a linux application that will actually transfer the damn thing
[09:08] <MFen> i've been using gpodder to put video podcasts onto the ipod, which works fine. but this isn't from a podcast, so gpodder can't do anything with it.
then install it.It is really suggested way of updating. Perhaps adept or so could work, too. I'm not sure. But it is necessary to handle dependencies better than apt-get can, therefore is suggeste update-manager, but Kubuntumay have own updater.
[09:09] <MFen> and gtkpod is just buggy
[09:09] <jindal2> Belisarivs, ohh yeah am on kubuntu .. wats it called here?
[09:09] <musikgoat> hmm, i found the reason,  oddly sudo was failing:
[09:09] <musikgoat> tim@Central:~/Desktop$ sudo apt-get update
[09:09] <musikgoat> sudo: unable to resolve host Central
[09:10] <musikgoat> fixed hosts, and now its working,  but it hadn't even gotten to attempting to download the updates,  sudo failed
Problem is, that Apple isn't OS friendly. They just abuse BSD license and give nothing back. They often change transfer protocol to prevent reverse engineering and so.
[09:11] <MFen> yes, well, it was free
try to google for suggested way to upgrade. update-manager should work for you, too. It uses same repos and it si same distro IMO, anyway.
[09:11] <MFen> i happen to agree with you, i still want to use my ipod.
[09:11] <musikgoat> any one know what package the gnome clock is in? gnome-panel?
[09:12] <jindal2> Belisarivs, thanks :-)
[09:12] <jindal2> MFen, check if your ipod model is supported by gtkpod
I'd guess it some applets or so. Try to use apt-cache and apt-file
np
[09:12] <DanaG> !aptitude
[09:12] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[09:13] <MFen> jindal2: it is. gtkpod asks me which model my ipod is, and my model is in the list.  of course, it asks me this EVERY TIME IT STARTS, which is part of the reason i think it's buggy
[09:13] <Belisarivs> ubotu is not quite accurate. Also synaptic takes care about unused dependencies.
[09:14] <DanaG> aptitude does dist-upgrading better than 'apt-get', especially if you use the ncurses UI.
[09:14] <DanaG> Run 'aptitude' with no parameters to get that UI.
There is no other app to handle it? Try amarok. I think, that it offers management of ipod.
I'm not quite sure about dist-upgradehandling by aptitude.
[09:15] <flowOver> anyone have experience with mx revolution?
[09:15] <Belisarivs> It is great, I use it often, but if it could be used for dist upgrade I'm not sure.
[09:16] <musikgoat> I'm trying to file a bug report, can anyone help me identify if the new clock applet is in a particular package?
[09:16] <musikgoat> i searched with aptitude search clock and do not see it
[09:17] <jindal2> mebbe check out gnome-applets
[09:17] <musikgoat> i saw online it referred to as intlclock but that doesn't bring up anythign
[09:17] <rinaldi_> hi I upgraded yesterday, everything went fine except now my wireless card fails to work. I had it installed last time through ndiswrapper and nmapplet seemed to find it ok. Now the power light stays flashing. It finds my access point too. It just doesn't connect. Connection information comes up with no driver whereas before it was ndiswrapper before. Any ideas?
[09:17] <jindal2> or kicker-applets if using kde :-)
[09:17] <musikgoat> jindal2: thanks, i'll look at that, its gnome
[09:18] <DanaG> I think the original clock applet has changed; it's not a new package.
[09:18] <DanaG> Right-click on it and select Preferences.
[09:19] <chuy_max> I just installed 8.04 and started to get bugs since the installation, I don't know where to start :S, I've got two bugs with installer, and 1 with xorg/dpkg-reconfigure
[09:19] <musikgoat> DanaG: whats preferences going to get me?
[09:20] <DanaG> You can add locations and such.
[09:20] <musikgoat> DanaG: you didn't read my question, but thanks
[09:20] <MFen> amarok won't even acknowledge the existence of the ipod
[09:20] <MFen> it just keeps telling me to connect it
[09:20] <chuy_max> any help that gets me on the right track?
[09:20] <MFen> i think i need to update this post.. http://strongdynamic.blogspot.com/2007/07/reasons-why-some-podcast-players-suck.html
[09:21] <MFen> podcast players still suck 8 months later.
[09:21] <jindal2> rinaldi_ , your kernel upgraded i guess .. your previous kernel version and wifi card chipset?
[09:23] <musikgoat> seems that its indeed in the gnome-panel package,  so my bug report is correct
[09:24] <Lynoure> MFen: meanwhile you have busily contributed to the projects, I hope
[09:24] <rinaldi_> jindal2: um dunno the kernel but the chipset is marvell 88w8335 libertas. (netgear card)
[09:25] <chuy_max> uhm
[09:25] <rinaldi_> jindal2: could it be that hardy now supports the card so now there are conflicting drivers?
[09:25] <chuy_max> 4 bugs
[09:25] <MFen> Lynoure: i have my own open source apps to maintain.  you can't guilt me into contributing to projects that are stalled on the basics.  besides, which one? they're all fighting with each other.
[09:25] <chuy_max> what package should I file if I've got 2 bugs in the installer?
[09:26] <jindal2> rinaldi_, some of the wifi stack was re-written (atleast for my broadcom chipset bcm43xx)
[09:26] <jindal2> try to boot into the old kernel from grub
[09:27] <rinaldi_> jindal2: ok thanks
[09:27] <Lynoure> MFen: Not guilting anyone, just saying it is the best way to get results. I use Amarok myself, I can easily look at metadata and it's not too slow for me (downloads sometimes are, but not Amarok's fault), but I should maybe contribute some day to it too
[09:27] <MFen> it seems faster now than when i wrote that, but then i have a faster computer now
[09:28] <MFen> the interface is still confusing
[09:28] <MFen> and it doesn't do the one thing i need it for
[09:28] <MFen> ostensibly need it for
[09:28] <Lynoure> MFen: Which one thing?
[09:28] <MFen> recognize my ipod so i can transfer a file to it
[09:29] <Lynoure> oh, dunno about ipods, recognized my DAP fine. But I chose a linux-friendly one.
[09:29] <MFen> i've got at least 3 other apps on here which do that much, at least
[09:30] <Lynoure> If your ipod mounts, and has a directory where podcasts can be put, easy enough to tell Amarok the mount point
[09:30] <Lynoure> But, good luck with the search.
[09:32] <MFen> well, it's not a filesystem interface
[09:32] <MFen> it's got some whacky database on it
[09:32] <MFen> so it needs applications which understand that database format
[09:32] <MFen> i guess amarok doesn't
[09:33] <Lynoure> Apple probably meant it to be hard, higher cost of changing
[09:33] <Lynoure> My Vibez also uses a database, but it builds it itself
[09:33] <MFen> very, very few companies actually "mean it to be hard"
[09:33] <Lynoure> so one can just drop files in.
[09:33] <MFen> i work for a software company. we do things the easiest way possible. it's not always the way everyone else wants it to be done
[09:34] <Lynoure> MFen: not hard in general, hard without their products. There is a strong business benefit to forcing people to use iTunes
[09:34] <MFen> that said, apple consistently chooses user interface over development ease, every single time
[09:34] <MFen> that's their bread and butter, so you can't blame them, but it's frustrating. they need to find a happier medium.
[09:35] <MFen> Lynoure: sure, but that's not why it is the way it is
[09:35] <rinaldi1> jindal2: no the old kernel doesn't let it work either
[09:35] <MFen> it is the way it is because that was what they needed to get their features onto the device
[09:35] <MFen> not because of some artificial goal of screwing others
[09:35] <Lynoure> MFen: I just think "best used with iTunes" was one such feature.
[09:35] <MFen> and i say that as someone who is currently being screwed by it
[09:36] <Lynoure> MFen: :)
[09:37] <MFen> in any case, itunes is free and already compiles on unix and non-mac os.  why not port it to linux if "best used with itunes" is the primary goal?
[09:37] <MFen> feh.
[09:38] <Lynoure> MFen: too expensive for such reasonably small group of users, I bet
[09:38]  * DanaG dislikes how Apple goes "above and beyond" in their efforts to lock out some things.
[09:38] <DanaG> Including the allegedly-deliberate bricking.
[09:38] <DanaG> And the iTunes7 breaking DAAP.
[09:38] <Lynoure> MFen: seems you look at it from sw point of view and I look at it from the business point of view. Most Linux users like things free... they are not the ideal Buy-it-from-iTunes crowd and a small crowd at that.
[09:39]  * DanaG uses file-based browsing -- Amarok does it, QuodLibet does it, and Exaile does it.  Oh, and Cowon's audio devices do it.
[09:42] <MFen> Lynoure: i'm not sure your business analysis is correct, although apple may perceive it that way
[09:42] <MFen> Lynoure: one or two of the guys on my team could probably port it in a month, 3 tops.
[09:43] <MFen> they only have to sell 25k songs to make that back. what is that, a day's worth of purchasing?
[09:43] <Lynoure> MFen: Make them an offer?
[09:43] <MFen> i should. i'll talk my boss into it
[09:46] <Belisarivs> I'm back. So, anybody who could help me to solve problem with iwl3945 or do some tests to provide them to launchpad bugreport?
[09:47] <sebner> Belisarivs: ?? iwl3945? what problem?
[09:49] <MFen> hmm, i think gtkpod-aac may be what i need
I have no blue light (it is turned on) and cannot connect to wifi network.
[09:50] <Belisarivs> It does detects wireless networks however. Iwconfig displays device wlan0 and its MAC address.
[09:50] <sebner> Belisarivs: I have the same problem. but only since the latest avahi update
[09:50] <Belisarivs> hm
[09:51] <MFen> yeah, gtkpod-aac ft
[09:51] <MFen> gtw
[09:51] <Belisarivs> so it might ba caused by avahi?
[09:51] <MFen> ftw
[09:51] <sebner> Belisarivs: dunno. have you had problems before the update?
[09:52] <MFen> dammit
[09:52] <MFen> video transferred, and no sound
[09:52] <MFen> so the ipod does not grok mp4{mp4v + mpga}
[09:52] <MFen> i guess no mpga codec
Which update do you mean? That today?
[09:52] <pwnguin> ok, so i just noticed hald-addon-input suddenly leaped to 100percent cpu
[09:53] <MFen> maybe vlc will use faac now that it's installed
[09:53] <Belisarivs> I upgraded from gutsy few days ago and in Gutsy it worked OK with ipw3945
[09:53] <sebner> Belisarivs: hmm yes. I recieved some avahi updates. And I think all the other updates haven't anything todo with wlan
So it worked for you before? Interesting.
[09:54] <slytherin> anyone using dual boot with os x on a powerpc machine here?
[09:54] <sebner> Belisarivs: yep
[09:54] <Belisarivs> That is weird. For me it ceased to work just after upgrade via "sudo update-manager -d".
[09:55] <sebner> Belisarivs: strange. and what did you say about a bugreport?
[09:55] <Belisarivs> But after update I was still using ipw3945. But I found howto to migrate to iwl.
[09:55] <pwnguin> is ipw3945 even in hardy?
[09:55] <pwnguin> i think its iwl or bust
[09:56] <sebner> it should be in the kernel
[09:56] <Belisarivs> no, it isn't. There are just firmwares.
[09:57] <Belisarivs> try "apt-file search ipw3945"
[09:57] <sebner> Belisarivs: damn
[09:57] <Belisarivs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/iwlwifi_Intel_3945_4965/gutsy?highlight=(WifiDocs%2FDriver)
About that bugreport, I wanted to find some relevant data to make it usefull.
[09:58] <slytherin> Does anyone know hoa can I find group name from group id?
[09:58] <sebner> Belisarivs: well it seems that we doesn't have the same problem
[09:58] <Belisarivs> hm
[09:58] <MFen> success!
[09:59] <MFen> needed faac, faad, avidemux, and gtkpod-aac
[09:59] <pwnguin> slytherin: /etc/groups?
So, you use ipw3945?
[09:59] <Belisarivs> not iwl3945?
[09:59] <pwnguin> is there a reason not to use iwl3945?
[09:59] <sebner> Belisarivs: iwl
[09:59] <MFen> also 8 CUBIC METERS OF PURE LIQUID HATE
)
[09:59] <slytherin> pwnguin: the group I am looking for is not there.
Hm, what problem do you have, then?
[10:00] <pwnguin> then the mapping doesnt exist
[10:00] <sebner> Belisarivs: the same as you. I can't connect to my wlan
[10:01] <Belisarivs> exellent. Damn it.
[10:01] <pwnguin> a number of people have reported that iwl isn't working for them
[10:01] <pwnguin> i can gleefully report its working fine with MY wpa2
[10:01] <sebner> Belisarivs: :(
no blue light?
[10:02] <sebner> Belisarivs: orange. but it's also when I turn it off ^^
[10:02] <Belisarivs> Or whetever colour your indicator has
[10:02] <sebner> Belisarivs: damn it
[10:03] <jessica> i need help with my wirless
[10:05] <jessica> i have the Realtek RTL8187B and im using nidswrapper with it
So when you turn your wifi on or off, indicator doesn't glow?
[10:05] <jessica> it picks up the networks just it wont connect to them
[10:05] <jessica> i know i have the network key correct
[10:06] <rinaldi1> jessica: i have the same problem as you but with a netgear. Did you upgrade?
[10:06] <Gnea> jessica: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=709802
[10:06] <jessica> i upgeded to hardy yesterday and i upgraded my hal
[10:06] <marko-_-> does someone know why sound doesn't work ? the card is listed in lspci
[10:06] <Gnea> jessica: it's a known issue with the .inf
[10:07] <slytherin> marko-_-: which card?
[10:07] <jessica> yes i have modified the inf file
[10:07] <marko-_-> slytherin, Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[10:07] <slytherin> marko-_-: What is the error?
[10:08] <Gnea> jessica: did you rebuild the ndiswrapper to include it?
[10:08] <marko-_-> slytherin, you know the icon for sound in the upper right corner... it's crossed with an X and when i want to configure it or someting i get this error "The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured."
[10:08] <jessica> yes
[10:08] <e-r-c-e> hello! i was upgrading to edubuntu hardy and now my resolution was gone, so i enabled fglrx. next, x show VERY bad resolution, so in console i uninstalled it... and now, my X doesn't start!?!?!?!?! HELP!!!
[10:09] <slytherin> marko-_-: ahh, I had seen that error some days ago. When was the last time you updated the system?
[10:09] <jessica> my ndiswrapper includes the modified inf file
[10:09] <e-r-c-e> i uninstalled fglrx**
[10:09] <marko-_-> slytherin, few minutes ago
[10:09] <Gnea> does it work without encryption?
[10:09] <marko-_-> should i restart the box ?
[10:09] <jessica> and erce boot up in fail safe and type startx and tell us the error
[10:09] <slytherin> marko-_-: any chance you are using us.archive.ubuntu.com mirror?
[10:09] <marko-_-> hm i must check
[10:09] <nomentero> I use latest hardy beta after upgrade via "sudo update-manager -d". I monitoring costant trafic on port 2979 tcp since that upgrade....is a normal insue during beta phase
[10:10] <slytherin> e-r-c-e: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[10:10] <e-r-c-e> jessica: i already did. cuz i uninstalled fglrx in console, my X says no displays were found
[10:10] <marko-_-> slytherin, where can i check what i'm using ?
[10:10] <jessica> o ok follow what erce says then
[10:11] <slytherin> marko-_-: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:12] <marko-_-> slytherin, i'm using this http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:12] <jessica> how will my i get my wireless working i have tryed most of what people say on forums
[10:12] <e-r-c-e> jessica: is your wireless card supported on ubuntu?
[10:12] <e-r-c-e> and do you have m$ drivers  for it?
[10:12] <slytherin> marko-_-: Ok. Try restarting the machine. The device nides for your sound card should get created at next bootup. If it doesn't file a bug.
[10:13] <jessica> no the wireless card dose not have drivers in the kernal
[10:13] <marko-_-> 'file a bug' what do you mean by that ?
[10:13] <jessica> i asked on the developers channel and they said it wont be supported for a while
[10:13] <slytherin> marko-_-: launchpad.net is the site where you can report a bug
[10:13] <marko-_-> ah ok
[10:13] <marko-_-> i'm restarting the machine then
[10:13] <marko-_-> brb
[10:13]  * Gnea decides to continue going unnoticed
[10:14] <e-r-c-e> jessica: not in kernel, on CD (drivers for m$ windows)
[10:15] <jessica> no its not
[10:15] <Gnea> jessica: it could be a problem with the way it's trying to translate the keys - if you can get it to get an IP and ping without any encryption then you'll at least know where the real problem is at.
[10:15] <jessica> ubuntu dose not support my card at all
[10:15] <e-r-c-e> you don't have any cd?
[10:15] <e-r-c-e> in the box with wireless card?
[10:16] <jessica> no my card is in built in my laptop that was shipped with vista
[10:16] <jessica> i have a vista disk that has them
[10:16] <e-r-c-e> oh... try google for your model and wget them
[10:16] <marko-_-> slytherin, it didn't worked
[10:17] <e-r-c-e> :\
[10:17] <jessica> i have and it brings up loads of forums and ive been though what everyone has said and nothing worked
[10:17] <e-r-c-e> no, NO!!
[10:17] <jessica> and gnea i wasnt ignoring your help i researched it because i had no idea what to do
[10:17] <e-r-c-e> try search for "(model) driver"
[10:18] <slytherin> marko-_-: Before filing make sure that the archive you are using is up-to-date. Or you can simply try using archive.ubuntu.com, then do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:18] <jessica> i have i have the right windows dirver it just dose not work
[10:18] <marko-_-> slytherin, how do i change the archive so that i don't have to one by one in the sources.list file ?
[10:18] <jessica> im thinking of just taking the encription of my network and seeing if it will work then
[10:18] <e-r-c-e> jessica: so your wireless card doesn't work at vista even?
[10:19] <jessica> no vista it will work it
[10:19] <jessica> but i hate vista
[10:19] <jessica> like really hate it
[10:19] <IndyGunFreak> jessica: what card is it again?
[10:19] <e-r-c-e> jes, we all
[10:19] <jessica> my card is the realtek RTL8187B
[10:19] <TheInfinity> i also have probs with my wireless adapter - atheros 802.11 a/b/g/n :)
[10:19] <e-r-c-e> try google "drivers for realtek rtl8187b"
[10:19] <slytherin> marko-_-: I don't know that part. :-)
[10:19] <marko-_-> heh ok:)
[10:20] <TheInfinity> again compiling svn sources like in gutsy? :/
[10:20] <e-r-c-e> TheInfinity: for what?
[10:20] <rinaldi1> yep my ndiswrapper doesn'nt work here either
[10:20] <TheInfinity> atheros 802.11 a/b/g/n wireless adapter
[10:20] <e-r-c-e> XD
[10:21] <e-r-c-e> usb, right?
[10:21] <jessica> im having really big problems
[10:22] <IndyGunFreak> jessica: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsRealTek
[10:22] <marko-_-> ok slytherin i changed it and then i updated it... what now ?
[10:22] <jin> when closing an application, I think that application should also kill all the process that it has created.
[10:22] <jessica> sorry erce i carnt reply i havnt registerd with freenode yet
[10:22] <jin> but it seems dvd::rip doesn't do that
[10:22] <e_r_c_e> oh
[10:22] <e_r_c_e> :D
[10:22] <jessica> and thanks indygunfreak ill take a look
[10:22] <jin> when closing dvd::rip, I end up with lots of processes in the background
[10:22] <slytherin> marko-_-: Are there any upgrades available? Did you do apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:23] <marko-_-> yea i did
[10:23] <marko-_-> upgrades no
[10:23] <marko-_-> but updates were
[10:23] <Gnea> jessica: what's this linux driver here? http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=1&PFid=1&Level=6&Conn=5&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#1432
[10:23] <slytherin> marko-_-: what do you mean?
[10:24] <jessica> ive tryed it it dosnt work
[10:24] <e_r_c_e> he did apt-get update
[10:24] <Gnea> ok
[10:24] <e_r_c_e> & apt-get upgrade
[10:24] <marko-_-> when i changed the server... i did sudo apt-get update and i updated someting but when i do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade nothing happened
[10:24] <marko-_-> should i go and boot with kernel 11 ? i'm reading that there is sound
[10:24] <Gnea> *headdesk* would help if i actually scrolled to the bottom of the page...
[10:24] <slytherin> marko-_-: Ok. So now you should file a bug. :-)
[10:25] <marko-_-> heh
[10:25] <marko-_-> what's the site again ?
[10:25] <slytherin> marko-_-: launchpad.net
[10:25] <marko-_-> ok
[10:26] <nomentero> I use latest hardy beta after upgrade via "sudo update-manager -d". I monitoring costant trafic on port 2979 tcp since that upgrade....is a normal insue during beta phase???
[10:26] <e_r_c_e> jessica: so you haven't got driver's CD?
[10:26] <e_r_c_e> ...
[10:26] <e_r_c_e> complicated
[10:26] <e_r_c_e> my howto is for cards with driver's CD
[10:26] <e_r_c_e> :|
[10:27] <e_r_c_e> sorry i cant help ya........
[10:27]  * e_r_c_e wants some choco
[10:27] <e_r_c_e> :D
[10:27] <jessica> no i dont have a cd with drivers
[10:28] <jessica> its one toshiba made with vista and the drivers as well
[10:28] <jessica> but i have to install vista to get the drivers which i dont want to do
[10:28] <IndyGunFreak> jessica: that link i gave you has a link to the win98 drivers, which apparently work better
[10:28] <e_r_c_e> then, try phone your seller and ask for cd????? (i doubt this is good :/)
[10:28] <jessica> the drivers i can download from the realtek site
[10:28] <jessica> yes am using the windows 98 drivers
[10:28] <IndyGunFreak> ok
[10:29] <e_r_c_e> try to unpack them in ubuntu
[10:29] <e_r_c_e> jessica: try /join #driverz
[10:29] <jessica> i dont see why you want me to get the windows vista drivers for it
[10:29] <e_r_c_e> jessica: try /join #driverz
[10:29] <e_r_c_e> =)
[10:30] <Gnea> e_r_c_e: yes, why? it requires the win98 version.
[10:30] <e_r_c_e> there we'll have nice talk :D
[10:30] <J-_> Is there a way to rename my sftp folder do a different name rather just <sftp on IP>
[10:30] <J-_> s/do/to
[10:30] <Gnea> ugh, need sleep
[10:30] <jessica> the older driver is more stable
[10:32] <Belisarivs> Hi. Just wanted to tell you, that mi iwl3945 works.
[10:33] <Belisarivs> -mi +my
[10:34] <jessica> i need my wireless working
[10:34]  * DanaG wonders if ndiswrapper'd Windows drivers would work any better than iwl3945.
[10:34] <Belisarivs> However, Hardy could use diff for apt-get update
[10:34] <jessica> i know i keep sayin this but its quite important
[10:34] <DanaG> iwl3945 is annoying.
[10:34] <e_r_c_e> jessica: #DRIVERS !!!!!
[10:34] <jessica> ok
[10:34] <e_r_c_e> :D
why?
[10:35] <DanaG> For a while, it had a bug where suspending and then resuming with wifi hotkey off (killswitch "on") would cause an oops.
[10:35] <DanaG> Sometimes that'll still happen.
iwl3945 or ipw3945?
[10:36] <DanaG> Or networkmanager (and even iwlist) will stop showing new access points.  If i try to unload the driver, modprobe will hang, become unkillable, and eat CPU like crazy.
[10:36] <DanaG> iwl3945.
[10:36] <enyc> ok im confused....  iso images of hardy beta are on  releeases.ubuntu.com but not cdimage.ubuntu.com  -- whats that about?
[10:36] <_Shade_> hi there
Hm, so it isn't better than ipw3945?
[10:37] <DanaG> Not for me, that's for sure.
[10:37] <_Shade_> i have just installed kubuntu-kde4 beta image and - to my suprise - all i got is kde3
[10:37] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[10:45] <Festor> Does anyone know why the command update-mozilla-firefox-chrome is not available in beta 4 of firefox 3?
[10:45] <Festor> I am in the beta of Hardy now
[10:45] <Festor> I am trying to do this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/204719
[10:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204719 in firefox "Firefox 3 language packs missing" [Undecided,In progress]
[10:56] <amerio> hey guys
[10:57] <amerio> I've updated from gutsy to hardy last night and sound stopped working , though my card is detected
[10:57] <amerio> its SB Live EMU10k1
[10:58] <Festor> Is there anyone ...?
[11:08] <IndyGunFreak> man, the default wallpapers for Hardy are horrible
[11:09] <IndyGunFreak> i'd rather have the crap brown ones from 7.10..lol
[11:09] <Festor> Does anyone know why the command update-mozilla-firefox-chrome is not available in beta 4 of firefox 3?
[11:09] <Festor> I am trying to do this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/204719
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204719 in firefox "Firefox 3 language packs missing" [Undecided,In progress]
[11:20] <vincen1> Allright, here comes a question: I'm unable to succesfully install new fonts under 8.04 BETA. I can install the fonts through 'sudo nautilus' and drag them to the fonts folder. I have also changed the permissions, so that ROOT can acces them. In 7.10, that worked fine. But now it doesn't. Does anybody have a clue?
[11:20] <vincen1> HI, by the way! :)
[11:21] <jin>  hi, any way to add multiple custom application menu?
[11:21] <DanaG> !gksu
[11:21] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[11:22] <rsk> hello im having massive problems with my computer hanging after the last reboot
[11:22] <rsk> i have to switch from tty1>tty7 where X is when i a) start gdm b) login to gnome
[11:22] <rsk> if i dont switch it just sit's there for an infinite ammount of time
[11:23] <rsk> and even when im in X i get completely random freezes
[11:23] <rsk> wich i have no idea about what's causing it
[11:24] <frandavid100> hiya
[11:24] <rsk> any pointers?
[11:24] <frandavid100> I've just read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityPreserveHome
[11:25] <frandavid100> do you know if newer hardy installs preserve existing /home directories indeed?
[11:26] <pwnguin> is /dev/snd/seq a midi device?
[11:26] <Dr_willis> Hmm I normally keep /home on its own partition.
[11:26] <Ergo^> guys, can anyone confirm that launching system monitor utilises 100% of a cpu ?
[11:27] <Ergo^> i have top running and xorg uses a fraction of time, when i lauch system monitor it uses 100% cpu
[11:27] <frandavid100> Dr_willis: yeah I do that too
[11:28] <frandavid100> I was just wondering if that's become unnecessary now
[11:28] <pwnguin> Ergo^: i cant dupe that
[11:28] <pwnguin> but it is graphing REALLY fast
[11:28] <fromport> ergo: if you have a very slow cpu that could be the case. mine uses between 20-40%
[11:28] <Johan-_> as an extra for UbiquityPreserveHome it would be cool if ubuntu could check what programs is already installed, remember that and then present that to the user
[11:28] <pwnguin> on a weaker CPU, that might be crushing
[11:28] <Ergo^> i have dual core intel 6400 ;-)
[11:28] <Ergo^> its quite fast :P
[11:28] <HardyOne> Ergo^, appears to be doing the same for me 100% cpu
[11:29] <Johan-_> giving the user an option to install all apps
[11:29] <pwnguin> Ergo^, HardyOne which video cards are you guys using?
[11:29] <frandavid100> That would be cool Johan-_
[11:29] <Ergo^> gf 8800gts
[11:29] <Ergo^> but it was fine in 7.10 for sure
[11:29] <Ergo^> ill check another pc with ati
[11:29] <Ergo^> 1 sec
[11:30] <HardyOne>  VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[11:30] <pwnguin> ok, not much common there
[11:30] <pwnguin> which screen?
[11:30] <pwnguin> tab
[11:30] <pwnguin> which tab triggers the behavior?
[11:30] <Ergo^> pwnguin: even better , at the other pc there is evolution-data- process that uses 100%
[11:31] <HardyOne> pwnguin, wich tab? I dont understand
[11:31] <Ergo^> pwnguin: its the resources tab for me
[11:32] <HardyOne> oh yeah resources
[11:32] <Ergo^> now afrr restarting it uses 50%
[11:32] <pwnguin> here's a random question
[11:32] <pwnguin> uname -a
[11:32] <kjozsa> hi
[11:32] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, hardy is working awesome form e.
[11:33] <HardyOne> Linux idleone-laptop 2.6.24-12-386 #1 Wed Mar 12 22:30:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:33] <levander> There's no songbird package in hardy either?
[11:33] <Ergo^> Linux ergo-desktop 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:34] <HardyOne> dont get me wrong hardy is running awsome for me also but untill Ergo^ asked for a confirm on cpu usage....
[11:34] <Ergo^> heh, my pc is workih "fairly well" but my wife's pc is nightmare
[11:34]  * DanaG hates gnome-system-monitor.
[11:35] <pwnguin> ok, if you can manage it, go to edit-> preferences->resources
[11:35] <kjozsa>  I've upgraded to hardy beta today, my sound (emu10k1) has gone completely. modprobe also says cannot find its modules.. anyone experienced something similar?
[11:35] <IndyGunFreak> Ergo^, iv'e not booted my PC yet, just my laptop.. but the laptop has been a pain cuz of some of its newer hardware.. my PC is about 2-2.5yrs old, so I think it will be fine
[11:35] <pwnguin> what's the update interval set to?
[11:35] <DanaG> Here's what it does for me (and I have a fast CPU, though nvidia+compiz):
[11:35] <DanaG> slideLURCH slideLURCH slideLURCH slideLURCH
[11:35] <DanaG> slideLURCH
[11:35] <DanaG> slideLURCH slideLURCH
[11:35] <kjozsa> also, double clicking the volume applet says No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
[11:35] <Ergo^> 0.25
[11:35] <RAOF> DanaG: This is because the nvidia driver sucks.  Try it with nouveau :)
[11:35] <DanaG> sliiiiiiiideLURCH
[11:35] <pwnguin> if you set that to 2.00
[11:35] <pwnguin> does cpu usage drop?
[11:35] <Ergo^> changed it to 0.5 and there seems to be progess
[11:35] <Ergo^> well it dropped
[11:36] <IndyGunFreak> brb
[11:36] <Ergo^> now i have everything at about 25%
[11:36] <DanaG> Odd: with my firewire DVD burner, brasero hangs and gets a kernel error of some sort about being unable to "get performance"; yet, with the old burner app, it works fine.
[11:36] <HardyOne> no change here. still at 100% after changing from 1.00 to 2.00
[11:36] <Ergo^> pwnguin: you are associated with developement ? do i have to file a bug for that ?
[11:37] <pwnguin> im not strictly associated with development
[11:37] <Ergo^> HardyOne: do a top  and see what is taking cpu time
[11:37] <Ergo^> just asking to see if i have to file bugs on that
[11:37] <pwnguin> i bother developers from time to time though ;)
[11:37] <pwnguin> if you dont file a bug i doubt it'll be fixed
[11:38] <pwnguin> you've already found two important bugs, terrible performance and an overactive graph
[11:38] <HardyOne> Ergo^, setiathome is using 70%
[11:38] <Ergo^> well what is process "evolution-data-" ? on another pc i have its using 100%
[11:39] <Ergo^> its a low end 1.5ghz athlon machne but still it was fine before...
[11:39] <kjozsa> I need some alsa/modprobe help, please. modprobe says it cannot finds the snd_emu10k1 module while it clearly exists at /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/
[11:40] <kjozsa> the -386 kernel should be able to load modules from -generic, right?
[11:40] <Ergo^> launchpad is down ...
[11:40] <RAOF> kjozsa: No.
[11:40] <kjozsa> RAOF, it means I should use the -generic kernel and load it from grub instead of the default -386 one?
[11:41] <RAOF> kjozsa: -386 is not binary compatible with -generic (there are a bunch of interestingly different kernel options used)
[11:41] <RAOF> kjozsa: Yes, very much so.  Very, very few people should be using the -386 kernel at all anyway.  Most people only use it by mistake.
[11:41] <kjozsa> RAOF, upgrading to hardy beta made the -386 the default in my grub setup. should I change this to -generic then?
[11:41] <pwnguin> almost certainly
[11:42] <kjozsa> RAOF, also in that case, shall I file a bug report about getting -386 being the default kernel in grub after the upgrade?
[11:42] <pwnguin> if your system is 686 compatible, you should use it
[11:42] <kjozsa> pwnguin, intel core quad here
[11:42] <pwnguin> yea i think you can handle it
[11:42] <pwnguin> in fact
[11:42] <RAOF> pwnguin: Or, rather, if your system doesn't need one of the tiny number of drivers that isn't SMP-safe.
[11:42] <pwnguin> you're sorely missing out, heh. 386 is not smp enabled ;)
[11:43] <pwnguin> RAOF: i used to have a amd k6-2 500mhz
[11:43] <kjozsa> I really wonder how this could made it to the default then: Ubuntu hardy (development branch), kernel 2.6.24-12-386
[11:43] <kjozsa> that made it to the top of my kernel list in grub
[11:43] <pwnguin> i had all kinds of fun after people in #gentoo told me it was 686 compatible
[11:43] <RAOF> pwnguin: Oh, does that not work with -generic?
[11:43] <kjozsa> that's clearly wrong then, aint it?
[11:43] <pwnguin> RAOF: it doesnt work at all anymore.
[11:43] <RAOF> Not even with -386?
[11:44] <pwnguin> RAOF: it died long ago
[11:44]  * DanaG likes 'htop'
[11:44] <pwnguin> but no, it doesnt run pentium pro instructions
[11:44] <RAOF> That's quite true :)
[11:44] <pwnguin> therefore is not 686
[11:44] <kjozsa> DanaG, too colourful for me :)
[11:44] <DanaG> It's pretty nifty-spiffy (I think I'm starting to overuse that word)/
[11:45] <pwnguin> unless the 686 kernel is merely optimized for advanced pipelines, but still uses 386 instructions, it would not run it even if it were not fried
[11:46] <HardyOne> how do I switch from -386 to generic?
[11:46] <pwnguin> install linux-image-generic
[11:51] <Pirate_Hunter> how can i access my apps menu without using a mouse and what are the commands to check current processes and kill them?
[11:52] <Rotlaus> Pirate_Hunter, Alt-F1 opens the menu
[11:52] <Pirate_Hunter> Rotlaus: thanx very much that has been bugging me for a while now what about the rest would you know?
[11:55] <rsk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[11:55] <rsk> halp me i stuck! ;(
[11:57] <elmargol> is there a kown bug in libthread_db? I try to connect to a wireless network and get 100% cpu from Networkmanager
[11:57] <elmargol> known
[11:57] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: ps lets you find programs... for example ps -Al | grep fire will find you firefox and give you  all relevant data.  kill $pid or killall firefox will close it
[11:58] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: also, theres a neat little app called xkill (you might need to install it, I don't know if it's installed by default).  just run it and click on a faulty  window to kill it.
[12:00] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: xkill used to change the mouse cursor to the skull-and-bones pirate-like thingy... you'd like it... but now it's just a regular cross :/
[12:00] <HardyOne> muszek, xkill is not in repos
[12:00] <Ergo^> it has to be.... just typed xkill and it worked
[12:00] <Ergo^> :P
[12:00] <Hobbsee> HardyOne: it's in x11-utils
[12:01] <muszek> muszek@bobek:~$ apt-cache search xkill
[12:01] <muszek> x11-utils - X11 utilities
[12:01] <HardyOne> yeah got it lol
[12:01] <Pirate_Hunter> muszek: nice info but since im not using a mouse that will be a problem and its weekend so buying one will be hard especially thanx to good friday and monday being bank holiday :/ so now im doing everything either cli or using alt+f2 however i need to close a download manager but dont know how to do it through cli
[12:02] <HardyOne> Pirate_Hunter, I can send you a few if you like
[12:02] <seezer> if something goes wrong on gutsy->hardy upgrade, should that be reported as a adept_manager bug?
[12:02] <HardyOne> got 2 sitting right next to me here
[12:02] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: use the ps & kill(all) combo
[12:02] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: send what?
[12:02] <HardyOne> mouse
[12:02] <seezer> (it's probably kubuntu specific)
[12:03] <Pirate_Hunter> muszek: wouldnt that just close every window and app ive got open, it may do the jb but will case a lot of hassle
[12:03] <Ergo^> heh... so far as i observe how 2 pc's act on fresh install of beta... hardy doesnt look good :(
[12:03] <HardyOne> killall will killall application
[12:04] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: thats sweet but nah ill buy one its my fault for leaving it this long and DIY my broken mouse, was being quite cheap but meh thats what i get for doing that
[12:04] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: no, it will only close that dnl manager... just do ps -Al | grep {some string that might be part of that dnl manager's process name}, for example ps -Al | grep kget
[12:04] <HardyOne> hehe
[12:04] <HardyOne> they are cheap enough anyhow
[12:04] <Pirate_Hunter> muszek: will try
[12:05] <muszek> and then killall {process_name} or killall -s 9 {process_name} if the first one doesn't work
[12:05] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: I know, i know everyone says that but its cold and i was being lazy :(
[12:06] <HardyOne> ps aux will list all running processes fine the download manager and then kill pid#
[12:06] <HardyOne> fine=find
[12:06] <elmargol> synaptic shows me my update history is there a way to jump back to a old status? Or do I have to manually undo every update?
[12:07] <Pirate_Hunter> muszek: do you know whats the download manager that epiphany uses, I thought it was gwget but it isnt
[12:08] <rsk> ok whoever replied to my thread, i just posted a reply
[12:09] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: just used px aux and i cant even scroll up with pageup :/ got any suggestion how i cna scrollup
[12:09] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: sorry, I don't know... in case it's some built-in thing, killing epiphany might help
[12:10] <drainman> why dont u use keybord mouse thing?
[12:10] <Pirate_Hunter> muszek: yeha thats what i also thought but its such a hassle and i have to design a template site by wednesday this 4 day weekend is getting better by the second
[12:10] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: also, top lists all processes (ordered by CPU usage by default).  if it's something that gets ~100% of the CPU, you'll see it on the top
[12:11] <Pirate_Hunter> drainman: my keyboard is a standard one it only has the standard key and no other extra functions :(
[12:11] <drainman> Pirate_Hunter, but i think it works with a standard, its a app that moves the mouse with user defined keys
[12:12] <jin> I should not have upgraded my Feisty install to Hardy :(
[12:12] <CRaMLiNG> Hi, i think i found a... ehm.. bug(?) in the hardy heron beta
[12:12] <drainman> if u got hardy then its installed by default
[12:12] <HardyOne> Pirate_Hunter, ctrl+shift+arrow up
[12:12] <pwnguin> or try ps aux | less
[12:12] <bjwebb> hi
[12:12] <Ergo^> http://www.playwielkanoc.pl/ - rotfl
[12:12] <jin> how to NOT use puleaudio?
[12:12] <pwnguin> (q to quit)
[12:12] <jin> puleseaudio
[12:13] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: that wont work in terminal but thanx
[12:13] <Skiessi> jin why not pulseaudio?
[12:13] <Ergo^> jin: so far audio works fine for me
[12:13] <pwnguin> Pirate_Hunter: "ps aux | less" should work on your term
[12:13] <HardyOne> Pirate_Hunter, it works for me in terminal
[12:13] <jin> Skiessi: when I maximize a window, I get a weird sound effect
[12:13] <Ergo^> apart non working volume control (but that was in notes )
[12:14] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: its control+shift+pageup on my system
[12:14] <HardyOne> ok
[12:14] <Pirate_Hunter> pwnguin: hope so cause i had a lot of processes
[12:14] <HardyOne> whatever works :)
[12:14] <Skiessi> you  can set them eff
[12:14] <Skiessi> *off
[12:15] <bjwebb> why is pidgin 2.3.1 in hardy
[12:15] <bjwebb> when 2.4 has been released?
[12:15] <pwnguin> because nobody asked to update it?
[12:15] <Skiessi> !info pidgin
[12:16] <ubotu> pidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.3.1-2ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 488 kB, installed size 1720 kB
[12:16] <CRaMLiNG> the live system doesn't start, i only get a prompt with (initramfs)
[12:17] <pwnguin> 2.3.1 was released on 12/7/07
[12:17] <jin> they should include 2.3.1 in hardy :(
[12:18] <pwnguin> they do
[12:18] <pwnguin> you want 2.4 :P
[12:18] <jin> pwnguin: got it wrong :D
[12:18] <bjwebb> what I really want is msn personal messages, but i don't think thats even in 2.4 :(
[12:18] <jin> yea, I meant 2.4
[12:18] <Skiessi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule maybe because 2.4 was released after FeatureFreeze
[12:19] <bjwebb> Skiessi: okies
[12:19] <Skiessi> or that debianimportfreeze
[12:19] <Skiessi> I think it will be included in 8.10
[12:19] <raw-bin>  Greets. Am currently throwing caution to the winds and trying an upgrade from gutsy -> hardy beta. Am facing "dhcdbd: symbol lookup error: dhcdbd: undefined symbol: dbus_watch_get_unix_fd". Any clues on this one ? This prevents network-manager from doing its thing
[12:19] <Skiessi> or some newer version
[12:20] <Skiessi> where you get that "dhcdbd: symbol lookup error: dhcdbd: undefined symbol: dbus_watch_get_unix_fd"
[12:20] <Skiessi> ?
[12:21] <raw-bin> Skiessi, I get that in syslog. network-manager seems to go haywire as a consequence : the tray applet flickers itself to death.
[12:22] <Johan-_> has anyone got netatalk with ssl to work in 8.04?
[12:22] <pwnguin> !info pidgin gutsy
[12:22] <raw-bin> I don't know if this is related but the gnome-settings-daemon fails to start as well. I'm basically reporting off of an emergency KDE session.
[12:23] <ubotu> pidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.2.1-1ubuntu4.1 (gutsy), package size 589 kB, installed size 1720 kB
[12:23] <HardyOne> need some quick html help. how do I center a bit of java script on the page?
[12:24] <raw-bin> While this is premature, has anyone sailed through an upgrade from gutsy to hardy beta ?
[12:25] <Pirate_Hunter> ive just started to realise how useful a mouse is after losing my one, my gosh surfing the net nowadays is so difficult, why couldnt they go back to the text version of it :D
[12:25] <pwnguin> i saw someone report a few days ago that it worked flawlessly
[12:25] <pwnguin> not exactly something that helps you though
[12:25] <rsk> i would like some more input if possible http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[12:25] <Johan-_> raw-bin: done one from 7.10 to alpha
[12:26] <raw-bin> pwnguin, Johan-_ : Interesting. Looks like I've gone and broken something fundamentally. I thought that my configs were messed up and so created a new user and tried gnome sessions but I get the same result : gnome-settings-daemon spawns out of control and the session eventually dies.
[12:27] <oxigen> i wonder why people still buying ati cards for using them on linux?
[12:27] <raw-bin> Am wondering if a clean install of hardy beta is worth trying ?
[12:27] <hmuller> raw-bin: I saw all kinds of problems with upgrades from Gutsy to Hardy in the channel yesterday.  If you run into problems download and install today's daily-live at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:28] <pwnguin> oxigen: becuause they promised 3d docs really hard
[12:28] <raw-bin> hmuller, that's an excellent suggestion. Thanks.
[12:28] <Johan-_> raw-bin: did an upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 and it all worked great. Later I decided I wanted to run 32-bit so did a clean install of alpha6 and that works fine aswell
[12:28] <pwnguin> rsk: does it really take your computer 5 minutes to boot?
[12:28] <simonvc> Hey all, just installed 8.04 beta (saw it on slashdot) and installed the nvidia restricted drivers and its only offering me 640x480 as my max resolution. non-nvidia drivers work fine. Any suggestions?
[12:28] <Johan-_> raw-bin: I haven't had any problems but cant say you wount :)
[12:29] <raw-bin> Johan-_, agreed! :)
[12:30] <raw-bin> hmuller, was wondering if this channel is "archived" so I could read up on what people were facing ? Sorry am a bit of a noob with IRC.
[12:30] <hmuller> Johan-_:  I think an individuals hardware determines their success with upgrading from Gutsy to Beta.  I personally prefer to backup all personal stuff, install new, and restore.  Seems to present fewer problems.
[12:30] <pwnguin> raw-bin: it is
[12:30] <amerio> hey guys I've installed Hardy heron and sound doesnt work , any help?
[12:30] <hmuller> raw-bin:  I think they are at irclogs.ubuntu.com, but I'll have to check
[12:31] <oxigen> upgrading isnt tested enough on all possible custom configurations
[12:31] <Johan-_> hmuller: I have my /home on a different drive so if anythings breaks I can allways reinstall
[12:31] <Johan-_> hmuller: but If one person is able to upgrade it's proof it atleast works for some
[12:31] <oxigen> it's always better to make fresh install
[12:32] <bjwebb> yeah
[12:32]  * bjwebb had trouble reusing his home partition
[12:32] <rsk> pwnguin: no more like hm.. 1minute to boot+login
[12:33] <hmuller> raw-bin: I told you the truth, just navigate to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com and then to yesterday's date, and find #ubuntu+1
[12:34] <pwnguin> rsk: the timestamps are wierd
[12:36] <jin> any one knows where I can download uslab for Hardy?
[12:39] <jin> nvm
[12:40] <rsk> ok :)
[12:41] <raw-bin> hmuller, Yes, I got those. Many thanks!
[12:41] <jin> rsk: do you know here to get it?
[12:41] <raw-bin> I still seem to be the only bloke hitting these problems though!
[12:41] <rsk> get what jin ?
[12:42] <jin> slab
[12:42] <rsk> i't in the git kernel afaik
[12:43] <locomo> previously Brasero formatted my DVD+RW (and to wrong size) instead of Fast blanking erase (LOL?). well i trying this again, dunno about wrong size this time, but it still not fastblanking (CD-RW ok). operation should take < 20 seconds and i waiting for few minutes now
[12:43] <rsk> locomo: try k3b
[12:45] <locomo> well... "i have a problem with ubuntu", "try windows then"
[12:46] <rsk> ok sorry for opening my mouth
[12:49] <amerio> anyway just a noobish question , whats the different between apt-get and aptitude?
[12:49] <locomo> k3b have different options for format and erase BUT its called "erase CD-RW" and "format DVD-RW" or so. LOL?
[12:50] <HardyOne> LOL? why LOL?
[12:51] <HardyOne> what is so funny
[12:51] <locomo> where format CD-RW and erase DVD-RW?
[12:51]  * HardyOne finds the unwarranted use of LOL very aggravating
[12:51]  * HardyOne goes now LOL
[12:51] <locomo> sense of humor help to keep me alive
[12:52] <locomo> its like what you prefer: to do suicide or to become idiot
[12:52] <locomo> lol
[12:52] <locomo> i made my choise
[12:53] <bjwebb> lol
[12:53] <bjwebb> lol
[12:53] <bjwebb> lol
[12:53] <raw-bin> A question : I have a daily snapshot CD iso image. However I only have DVD R/Ws. Is it possible/safe to put a CD ISO onto a DVD ?
[12:55] <yaccin> i installed it yesterday and it works, but i dont have sound or wlan
[12:57] <yaccin> (macbook)
[12:58] <bobbo> Which packages do you install to try out KDE4 on Hardy?
[13:00] <gregory> bobbo: maybe kde4?
[13:01] <jpatrick> bobbo: kde4-core
[13:01] <bobbo> gregory, jpatrick; thanks
[13:01] <jpatrick> bobbo: or kubuntu-desktop-kde4 or kubuntu-kde4-desktop...
[13:01] <davek> has anyone installed beta on a hard drive yet? does the installer work to find other distros on the PC?
[13:01] <bjwebb> davek: yeah, i installed
[13:01] <gregory> jpatrick: core is only the core, not many applications
[13:02] <bjwebb> it found my other kubuntu install as well as my windoze
[13:02] <jpatrick> gregory: I know :) but it's enough to try it out
[13:04] <b47619> What do you reccommend to edit partitions?
[13:04] <dr_evil> fucking Brasero :( Tried to use it for the first time, to burn an ISO image "An unknown error occured. Check your disc."
[13:04] <gregory> davek: i dont know exactly, the installer will find all partitions, not sure if it will parse the bootloader-config and check for strings like windows or ubuntu.. anyone else?
[13:04] <bjwebb> does apturl work with ff3 in hardy?
[13:04] <dr_evil> log shows: "stopped because of an error error = 0 message = "no message"
[13:04] <Dekans> dr_evil: wich image ?
[13:04] <dr_evil> a windows xp ISO image
[13:05] <dr_evil> but thats not really important
[13:05] <bjwebb> it knows apt: is a special link
[13:05] <Dekans> ah
[13:05] <bjwebb> but asks me what app to open them with :/
[13:05] <Dekans> because i didn't manage to burn correctly the kubuntu hardy beta amd64
[13:06] <dr_evil> wow, and now Brasero crashed
[13:06] <gregory> bjwebb: apturl is a program?
[13:06] <bjwebb> yeah
[13:06] <bjwebb> i know
[13:06] <bjwebb> but it shouldn't ask me what program
[13:06] <bjwebb> it should really know to use apturl
[13:06] <bjwebb> if you get what i mean
[13:07] <davek> thank gregory, I just wanted to make sure the beta installer works as well as the Gutsy installer.
[13:08] <gregory> davek: if you have enough resources (RAM), just setup a virtual machine and try beta in that secure environment
[13:09] <gregory> bjwebb: can you give me the url that you are trying to open?
[13:10] <davek> I never have used a virtual machine, how do i one up?
[13:10] <bjwebb> well, i was just wondering and was making my own urls
[13:10] <bjwebb> like
[13:10] <bjwebb> apt:test
[13:10] <gregory> davek: how much ram do you have?
[13:10] <bjwebb> or apt:inkscape
[13:10] <davek> 1.25 gb
[13:10] <bjwebb> which works fine know ive navigated to /usr/bin/apturl and told it to use that
[13:11] <bjwebb> but if you want to make apturl an easy way to install software
[13:11] <bjwebb> it needs to just work "out of the box"
[13:11] <davek> would I install vmware or something like that?
[13:11] <gregory> davek: 1.25 is really RAM (flushed if you shut down the computer) or is it harddisk memory?
[13:12] <gregory> davek: yes, f.e.
[13:12] <davek> 1.25 gb RAM is what is installed I have three hdds on this test box
[13:13] <gregory> davek: great, that should be enough ram for a vm
[13:13] <davek> I don't know what the hdd memory is. my third hdd is a 320gb Maxtor that is a brand new
[13:14] <davek> Do I install Vmware from Synaptic?
[13:14] <gregory> davek: you need to install qemulator or any other emulator. just search in package manager for "qemu" as search string
[13:14] <gregory> davek: vmware is closed source, but costs no money. i recommend using open source only.
[13:15] <yaccin> can anybody please help with wlan/sound?
[13:15] <gregory> bjwebb: i can confirm that it doesnt work from ff3
[13:15] <bjwebb> i think thats something that ought to be fixed for release
[13:16] <gregory> bjwebb: gnome knows how to open "apt" url, but ff3 seems to ignore gnome-registry (use gconf-editor to edit and view)
[13:16] <bjwebb> ah
[13:16] <gregory> bjwebb: yes, please file a bug, i already filed a similar for one of the multimedia protocols
[13:16] <bjwebb> oh
[13:17] <davek> I found qemu. Is that all I have to install. is it similar to Vmware
[13:17] <bjwebb> well, if its a firefox behaving badly problem
[13:17] <bjwebb> then isn't it the same bug?
[13:17] <gregory> davek: qemu is the core, you should install a frontend. try qemulator
[13:17] <yaccin> davek: its more complicated
[13:17] <jin> why is the package awn-extras not available in the repo? :(
[13:17] <Dekans> does someone have trouble with kdm in kubuntu hardy ??
[13:18] <gregory> bjwebb: basically yes, though i havent submitted in the past concerning all external url types
[13:18] <davek> I figure it would be complicated, I should read up on it. Thanks.
[13:19] <gregory> bjwebb: you could file a new "meta" bug, and refer to the others.
[13:19] <bjwebb> yeah
[13:20] <dpossner> hi, can someone help me with a network-problem?
[13:20] <gregory> davek: just try, you cannot brake anything because its all virtual
[13:21] <dpossner> i have these things: http://www.devolo.com/co_EN_cs/produkte/dlan/mldlanhsethernet.html
[13:21] <dpossner> and i can ping my router and also google, but i can not get websites to open in my browser
[13:22] <dpossner> i tried dhcp and also static, as well as the roaming mode, but nothing changes
[13:22] <dpossner> any ideas?
[13:22] <davek> I'll install qemu and qemulator and try it out . Once its installed I can install any OS into it?
[13:23] <gregory> davek: yes, you can create unlimited virtual machines. the max is the hd space on your hd in reality
[13:23] <gregory> gregory: unlimited number of
[13:24] <dpossner> anybody out there? it worked perfectly in gutsy, but seems to be broken in hardy
[13:25] <davek> I'll give it a try. Thank you.
[13:25] <ShackJack> Hi all - since upgrade Gutsy to Hardy, the gnome settings daemon will not start. I get a slightly broken desktop (which has desktop effects running), and when rebooting the X session breaks. Tried to kill desktop effects (compiz --kill) to see if that might causing the issue but it won't stay dead. Any thoughts?
[13:26] <Hobbsee> ShackJack: killing a window manager won't really help you.  use metacity --replace &
[13:27] <dr_evil> Dekans the CD-R was still completely empty. I'm burning it again (in another computer, with Nero)
[13:28] <dpossner> no ideas? how can it be possible to ping google in a terminal but not get google.com to show up in a browser???
[13:28] <Curtman> I tried upgrading to Hardy beta from Gutsy, and now when I try to log in with Gnome it just hangs.  If I run 'strace gnome-session' it seems to be hanging while reading from the Gnome keyring socket.
[13:29] <dbmoodb> did you have pgp stuff setup ?
[13:29] <ShackJack> Thanks Hobbsee - alas trying to them start gnome-settings-daemon complains of X window system errors - does anyone know how to manually turn of desktop effects so it doesn't start on startup.. I can't find it in gconf anywhere
[13:30] <Curtman> dbmoodb: Me?  I've never set any up.  It does this even when I create a brand new account and try to log in.
[13:30] <dbmoodb> oh really ... interesting ... apt-get install kdm ? kde ?...
[13:30] <Hobbsee> ShackJack: (re)start g-s-d after metacity.
[13:30]  * dbmoodb wonders if that works
[13:30] <Curtman> dbmoodb: 282 packages to install for KDE.
[13:31] <dbmoodb> Hobbsee: how is the upgrading from alpha to beta doing ? apt-get update anything else ?
[13:31] <ShackJack> Hobbsee: I did - it complains of X windows issues - I can give you error message in a sec... I figured if I can have it *not* start desktop effects to begin with, that might smooth things over
[13:31] <Hobbsee> dbmoodb: fine, afaik.  i installed beta 5, iirc
[13:31] <Hobbsee> then upgraded
[13:31] <dbmoodb> beta 5 ?
[13:31] <Hobbsee> ShackJack: can't you set that in appearances, last tab or so?
[13:31] <Hobbsee> er, alpha 5
[13:32] <dbmoodb> oh i was on alpha 6 before, compiz-fusion buggy ? -- what graphics card
[13:32] <ShackJack> Hobbsee: No - it won't "take" - evidentally because of the lack of gnome-settings-daemon... Didn't know how to manually set (via gconf or otherwsie)?
[13:32] <dbmoodb> so apt-get update, dist-upgrade all ?
[13:32] <Hobbsee> ShackJack: hmm
[13:33] <ShackJack> Bleh - metacity --relace && gnome-setting-daemon freezes desktop - should've run separately so I can see the error message... I have to shut down and restart as if I logout/in, the X session won't stay up... Just wondeing if there have been other reports of this issue, as there's nothing exotic about my settup (I did see a big in the tracker)
[13:34] <ShackJack> Also my wireless won't find a network :P
[13:34] <dbmoodb> shackjack which wireless network card is it ? broadcom
[13:34] <dbmoodb> how is the state of the restricted drivers manager atm ?
[13:35] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: No - it's an intel I think - never have any problems, but whenever I upgrade to beta Ubuntu, I always seem to have that problem
[13:35] <ShackJack> Hobbsee: Restarting X it says the gnome-settings-daemon received an X Windows System Error. This probably reflects a bug in the program (duh!)
[13:35] <dbmoodb> ah i see yeah maybe change the setting in x.org --> to your  card instead of just intel
[13:36] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: Worked a little spotty after the upgrade, now not at all...
[13:36] <dbmoodb> oh ..really
[13:37] <dbmoodb> so ... maybe i will get this bug - you are on the beta yeah ?
[13:38] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: Yep - on the beta... I dunno I always seem to have better luck with "fresh" installs vs. an upgrade... I didn't fresh install as *supposedly* (according to fsck) I have a disk error on my data partition and I didn't want the installer check to hang on it...
[13:38] <Crusader_Tech> Hello all.  New Linux user, and I've been running 7.10 inside virtualbox on windows.  I just downloaded and installed 8.04 beta in it's own virtualbox, but I can't seem to pick a resolution higher than 800x600.  Any suggestions?
[13:38]  * ShackJack goes to get ISO for fresh install :)
[13:39] <dbmoodb> there is an beta iso ?
[13:39] <ShackJack> Oh yeah, for sure (at least there usually is)
[13:39]  * ShackJack looks on web
[13:40] <prutsert> Crusader_Tech: you should install the Vbox guest additions
[13:40] <dbmoodb> meh not on my   ftp server so no go atm
[13:40] <Crusader_Tech> prutsert: Thanks for the help.  Is that a seperate download on virtualbox.org?
[13:40] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta#head-8845f7d03a79ba22bbc3993ed0ffc8395651a9a0
[13:42] <ShackJack> I'm not equipped to deal with "exotic" gnome settings/X server problems and it'll be interesting to see if a fresh install solves those issues (though I part of me hopes it *doesn't*)
[13:42] <dbmoodb> ShackJack: the solution is hardly ever to install again
[13:43] <prutsert> I am m not around a box running Vbox, but if I remember correctly, you can choose to install the guestadditons when running the guest, and they will be downloaded automatically
[13:43] <noelferreira> cwillu, are you there?
[13:44] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: Weeell... I dunno - with Windows sometimes it is :)  Some of the interactions just seem to get messed up with an upgrade for some reason... I mean if I'm experiencing this, why aren't scads of other people - there's nothing exotic about my setup to say the least...
[13:44] <dbmoodb> i will see what happens with my own setup, windows is special
[13:45] <savvas> Crusader_Tech & prutsert: they're not downloaded, it's an iso, virtualboxadditions.iso or something like that
[13:45] <savvas> it gets mounted and autoruns in windows guest systems
[13:45] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: "Special" - ya, that's what Windows is :)
[13:45] <hydrogen> dbmoodb: Unfortunatly, it is a lot easier most of the time to install again than to trace down both how xorg and gnome are designed and how ubuntu customizes these designs
[13:45] <dbmoodb> savvas: doesn't it depend on what version of windows it is ? lvista addons thing there is a
[13:45] <dbmoodb> bah curse my touchpad
[13:45] <ShackJack> hydrogen: True 'dat
[13:46] <savvas> dbmoodb: i think windows 2000 and up, i don't believe they support 98
[13:46] <ShackJack> hydrogen: Especially if you have a separate home partition :)
[13:46] <hydrogen> ShackJack: yep
[13:46] <dbmoodb> --- i do not believe there is a vista addons back...... in non -free ? i could be wrong (remembers using something... not sure what)
[13:47] <savvas> dbmoodb: what do you need?
[13:47] <ShackJack> hydrogen: dbmoodb: I may give a fresh install a try anyway - it'll be interesting to see if it fixes it (and my wireless issues)
[13:47] <dbmoodb> eh -- sorry i am being very vague and hard to follow
[13:47] <dbmoodb> ShackJack: dmesg ?....
[13:48] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: Wait restarting - should I grep for anything in particular?
[13:48] <savvas> dbmoodb: i think i know, hm.. you need a windows xp to vista transformation pack? http://www.crystalxp.net/galerie/en.id.130.htm ?
[13:48] <Crusader_Tech> savvas: Thanks.  I'll check it out.
[13:48] <Silvercircle> hej, i search a deb packet from vmware-player. anybody knows ?
[13:48] <dominikpossner> come on. ubuntu community, are you already tired of networking problems? :-)
[13:48] <dbmoodb> yeah -- get firmware from blah
[13:48] <dbmoodb> that kind of thing
[13:48] <Hobbsee> dominikpossner: wfm.
[13:49] <savvas> dominikpossner: what problems?
[13:49] <prutsert> anyone have trouble with hal package when running updates after installing hardy?
[13:49] <dominikpossner> i explained it already, i can ping eg google but can not open google.com in a browser
[13:49] <dominikpossner> with this stuff: http://www.devolo.com/co_EN_cs/produkte/dlan/mldlanhsethernet.html
[13:49] <clusty> hey
[13:49] <dbmoodb> have you got the correct dns entered dominik ?
[13:50] <jf_> Where did the font Terminal go?
[13:50] <savvas> Silvercircle: try www.getdeb.net
[13:50] <clusty> was curios what FS would you recommend using for an external drive
[13:50] <[B00]> well heres fingers crossed if ubuntu runs like kubuntu i should be able to get it running on one of my desktops at last
[13:50] <dominikpossner> im currently using the roaming mode, so that should do it?
[13:50] <dbmoodb> ext3 ..... unless you want something faster
[13:50] <clusty> so far its ext3 but i always run into trouble mounting it form windows
[13:50] <dbmoodb> ah then perhaps ntfs
[13:50] <clusty> windows driver is ext2
[13:51] <clusty> and linux always thinks its screwed up
[13:51] <clusty> is ntfs support reliable?
[13:51] <ccharles`> When my laptop comes back from suspend, it emits about 6 rapid, high-pitched beeps sounding a little bit like a smoke detector. Then it shuts up, and everything seems fine. I do sometimes get a message in the notification area that it didn't suspend properly, but aside from the beeping it's working fine. Any thoughts?
[13:51] <dbmoodb> .... apparently the windows driver is ok but windows keeps wanting to fragment it or blah
[13:51] <Silvercircle> savvas, No results found for your search. (vmware) ;)
[13:51] <dominikpossner> what DNS should i enter, dbmoodb?
[13:51] <dbmoodb> the correct one for you
[13:52] <dominikpossner> ah :-)
[13:52] <dbmoodb> the one of your isp or your modem / router
[13:52] <dbmoodb> depending on your setup
[13:52] <clusty> dbmoodb, meaning?
[13:52] <dominikpossner> so, something like 192.168.1.1?
[13:52] <[B00]> omg yessssssssssssssss at last :)
[13:52] <ShackJack> dominikpossner: No - you need a domain name server - out on the internet (unless you have one running in your house)... Your ISP can provide or there are public ones: http://www.tech-faq.com/public-dns-servers.shtml
[13:53] <savvas> Silvercircle: then http://www.vmware.com/download/player/ - i think they have an ./install script included
[13:53] <dbmoodb> well you use the isps .... if you can ping you should be able to go there ...
[13:53] <dbmoodb> unless you are not on your own network and blah
[13:54] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: I can find anything in dmesg relating to my gnome setting daemon/X problem any thoughts of should I be grepping for something specific?
[13:54] <gregory> davek: /quit
[13:54] <Silvercircle> savvas, yes they have.. but it doesnt work. i get an error while creating the "vmware-module"  for my kernel
[13:54] <dbmoodb> -- nothing relating to x ? ... what about firmware try grep firmware
[13:54] <flipstar> klipper seems to be resetted on every login..anyone else ever had this ?
[13:55] <savvas> Silvercircle: sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers
[13:55] <savvas> Silvercircle: they might not work with hardy yet
[13:56] <[B00]> woooohooo finally ubuntu works on my desktop :)
[13:56] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: Nope (dmesg | grep X) nothing related to X, gnome, or firmware
[13:56] <dbmoodb> B00 and it did not before ?
[13:56] <[B00]> nope
[13:56] <dbmoodb> any reason why ?
[13:56] <[B00]> not sure thought it was the sata drives at first
[13:57] <[B00]> then i tried an ide and also a scsi
[13:57] <[B00]> tried loading in safe graphics mode cos of the ati card
[13:57] <dbmoodb> really...
[13:57] <Silvercircle> ok thank you savvas. maybe it works with the headers ;)
[13:57] <[B00]> however never had a prob installing ubuntu on a lappy they always worked lol
[13:58] <[B00]> current lappy is a dell d410
[13:58] <savvas> Silvercircle: if it doesn't work, get the gutsy package for virtualbox, www.virtualbox.org is another app for virtual machines
[13:58] <[B00]> so i am really happy i can get it to run on the desktop at last
[13:58] <[B00]> well one of my desktops :)
[13:59] <dbmoodb> a dell d410 should work nicelly
[13:59] <[B00]> and i tried all the gutsy installs 32 bit 64 bit text only lol
[13:59] <dbmoodb> d400 here :)
[14:00] <[B00]> yeah the d410 is great
[14:00] <Curtman> dbmoodb: Very strange.. I think I found the problem.  /dev/null was set to chmod 0660.  I changed it to 0666 and all seems well.
[14:00] <[B00]> i installed it on a d600 d610 d620 d630
[14:00] <dbmoodb> oh and ..... why ....
[14:00] <Silvercircle> savvas, i have virtualbox ;) but the xserver from the vmwareimage doesnt work with virtualbox... if vmwareplayer doesnt work with the headers i try to configure the xserver for virtualbox ;)
[14:01] <dbmoodb> wait why would that matter for starting up gnome and blah
[14:01] <savvas> Curtman: try chmod 0664 first, don't make your system more vulnerable :)
[14:01] <Pirate_Hunter> what kernel image does hardyheron use I want to test it in vbox
[14:01] <XiXaQ> are you people able to use apturls with firefox?
[14:01] <Curtman> savvas: Vulnerable by writing to /dev/null?
[14:01] <flipstar> Pirate_Hunter: 2.6.24-12
[14:02] <dbmoodb> Curtman: /dev/null ---> other places
[14:02] <Pirate_Hunter> flipstar: thanx
[14:02] <savvas> Curtman: woops, didn't see what was it, that's ok :P
[14:02] <dbmoodb> for example cat /dev/null /dev/XDSDsda (so no one tries it by accident)
[14:02] <Curtman> savvas: Every box I've ever seen has /dev/null with world writable perms.
[14:03] <dbmoodb> yeah but owned by who Curtman ?
[14:03] <savvas> Curtman: i know, my mistake
[14:03] <Curtman> savvas: Yeah, it seems dbmoodb is attempting to convince me otherwise though.
[14:04] <dbmoodb> no i'm not - just wanting to know what it normally is - i don't pay enough attention to it
[14:04] <savvas> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2008-03-21 13:50 /dev/null
[14:04] <savvas> :)
[14:04] <cwillu> noelferreira, ping
[14:05] <dominikpossner> dbmoodb, thank you a thousand times, now it's working
[14:05] <napsy_> what's wrong with hardy beta? the system becomes all shugish after a while.
[14:05] <regel> nothing's wrong with hardy
[14:05] <dbmoodb> napsy_: its not optimised at all so ...yeah
[14:05] <regel> more stable than gutsy ever was for me
[14:05] <regel> :)
[14:06] <napsy_> well it was fine before the updates two days before
[14:06] <[B00]> deffo works better thsn gutsy at least i caninstall it lol
[14:06] <napsy_> but now ... desktop gets laggy and I have to restart x
[14:07] <noelferreira> n
[14:08] <b47619> I have no /etc/config/gnome and also whenever I try to login to a normal session the xserver restarts (system stops outputting video and dumps me back at login)  I also have 2 sound cards and 2 network cards 1 onboard of each (built in to mainboard) and also an add-on card for each if that could be a cause this issue is only present in 8.04 alpha and beta onboard ATI card restricted driver for it causes more issues...
[14:08] <b47619> should I us ethe alternate install cd?
[14:08] <savvas> hm... crw-rw-rw- what does that c mean?
[14:09] <[B00]> b47619 if you are not using onboard they should be disabled
[14:09] <[B00]> via the bios so you dont get conflicts
[14:09] <dbmoodb> lovely gdm segfaults as i'm updating
[14:09] <b47619> I switch between the onboard and add-on...
[14:10] <b47619> ubuntu doesn't like the add-on
[14:10] <[B00]> you should use one or the other not both
[14:10] <dbmoodb> -- wifi ?
[14:10] <b47619> ok...
[14:10] <[B00]> try disabling the onboard and see what happens
[14:10] <b47619> the one is a creative audi pci...
[14:11] <b47619> doesn't work in ubuntu...
[14:11] <dbmoodb> beta ?
[14:11] <[B00]> i know i had probs with ethernet with onboard so i disabled it and shoved in a pci one worked fine
[14:11] <b47619> works fine in the final release of 7.04 and 7.10
[14:12] <b47619> i wonder if I can disable the onboard card...
[14:12] <dbmoodb> oh ah might be using firmware from elsewhere -- the restricted driver manager is being weird atm (i'm not update with it and all tho)
[14:12] <b47619> ubuntu doesn't even seem to find the add-on
[14:12] <[B00]> its easy normally found in the bios under advanced and onboard
[14:13] <b47619> audio card it is a Creative Audio PCI card from a computer made in 2000 on a computer from 2005 same qwith network card...
[14:13] <[B00]> could be because you got both enabled so they are conflicting
[14:13] <[B00]> i have a 5.1 live
[14:13] <[B00]> in the other pc works fine
[14:14] <b47619> probably...
[14:14] <[B00]> and that is old
[14:14] <b47619> now to disable the add-on with out removing it...
[14:14] <[B00]> you cant
[14:14] <b47619> better just remove it...
[14:14] <[B00]> yus
[14:14] <b47619> Though it has worked fine with 7.04 and 7.10?
[14:15] <[B00]> disable the onboard and leave the add on
[14:15] <b47619> ok
[14:15] <[B00]> see if it works fully
[14:15] <b47619> I will try to get the creative card to work in ubuntu...
[14:15] <[B00]> creative will work fine m8
[14:15] <b47619> ok must be a conflict then...
[14:15] <b47619> it is an ols card...
[14:16] <b47619> old
[14:16] <Infecto> hello
[14:16] <[B00]> well ya do have 2 different types of soundcard running lol
[14:16] <[B00]> hi
[14:16] <b47619> true...
[14:16] <Infecto>  i just install fres 8.04 alpha
[14:16] <b47619> Hello what is your issue?
[14:16] <Infecto> and :) i see only 3g of ram
[14:16] <Infecto> but i have 4g
[14:16] <[B00]> did you get the 64 bit version?
[14:16] <Infecto> do i need to recompile kernel?
[14:16] <b47619> do you have a built in video card?
[14:16] <Infecto> [B00]: no i dont
[14:17] <b47619> ok
[14:17] <Infecto> b47619: no i have nv 8600
[14:17] <Infecto> its not buiilt in
[14:17] <b47619> ok
[14:17] <bjwebb> i can no longer add new users :/
[14:17] <Curtman> savvas: Any idea what package I could reinstall or reconfigure to reset all permission in /dev?  It seems lots of stuff is screwed up in there for some reason.
[14:17] <dr_evil> without PAE you won't see the full 4 GB
[14:17] <theunixgeek> I got the beta and now during usplash startup the little loading bar keeps bobbing back and forth instead of progressing like usual. Then a BusyBox thing pops up. What do I do?
[14:17] <[B00]> well my 4 gig shows up fine using the 64 bit version but do you have a 64 bit processor.......... sorry should have asked that
[14:17] <dr_evil> with 32 bit that is
[14:18] <Infecto> dr_evil: yes i read it, i havrt t9300 core duo 2
[14:18] <Infecto> i have
[14:18] <b47619> sounds like a corrupted file system or corrupte dinstall if you only get a busybox shell...
[14:18] <[B00]> you need the 64 bit m8
[14:18] <Infecto> hmm
[14:18] <Infecto> just install kernel or reinstall all system?
[14:18] <dr_evil> the PCI cards need some memory ranges in the 4GB space, thus not the full 4GB RAM are useable
[14:18] <b47619> theunix geek read above
[14:18] <theunixgeek> Infecto: system
[14:18] <bjwebb> user settings is broke :S
[14:18] <Infecto> hmm
[14:19] <theunixgeek> should I try booting with kernel 2.6.24-12-generic instead of  -386?
[14:19] <dr_evil> PAE isn't relyable on most consumer boards, i don't know if it is included in any kernel by default
[14:19] <theunixgeek> yay it's going! :D
[14:20] <theunixgeek> I decided to boot with kernel 2.6.24-12-generic.
[14:20] <theunixgeek> Oooh I like the new xubuntu login screen
[14:20] <[B00]> theunixgeek me too :)
[14:21] <Infecto> so dl new iso 64bit and reinstall it yes?
[14:21] <Infecto> but what will be better if i have 32bit cpu
[14:21] <Infecto> i dont lose anything?
[14:22] <savvas> Curtman: well.. I could give you my list and you compare with a diff file1 file2 ?
[14:22] <Infecto> i mean speed
[14:23] <[B00]> should improve
[14:23] <Curtman> savvas: Sure.  I wish I knew what happened to it.  It was fine before the Hardy dist-upgrade.
[14:23] <[B00]> its runnning pretty fast on my amd xp 64 bit 4200 with 4 gig
[14:23] <Infecto> ok
[14:23] <Infecto> thanks a loot
[14:23] <[B00]> no prob
[14:24] <[B00]> but i am still a linux noob most guys here should be able to help you more :)
[14:29] <b47619> disabled the onboard and the live cd still win't boot... the same thing happens on live cd and on the install... so I though I would try the live cd...
[14:30] <[B00]> what happens when you try the live cd? blank screen?
[14:30] <savvas> Curtman: ls -l1 /dev/ at http://pastebin.ca/raw/952747
[14:31] <b47619> no same tthing xserver restarts
[14:31] <[B00]> try taking out the pci sound card and enabling the onboard see if that works?
[14:31] <b47619> everytime or almost everytime I turn on my computer I get this weird distorted image i have hit the computer a few times to stop this buzzing sound that usb devices sometimes make though... that was a while ago and now the issue is becoming more frequent...
[14:31] <Curtman> savvas: Strange.. Mine is very different. http://curtman.mine.nu:8080/~curtis/devlist.txt
[14:32] <[B00]> b47619 i just got it running on my desktop where 7.10 would not work
[14:32] <b47619> .i think it is the video card...  is fine
[14:33] <[B00]> what vid card?
[14:33] <b47619> hold on xchat-gnome ran into an error
[14:35] <sayers> Hello. I can't seem to get java to work properly , .jnlp extended files do not wokr.
[14:35] <savvas> Curtman: try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall base-files udev
[14:36] <thompa> i got this usb device but wont mount anymore Bus 002 Device 005: ID 054c:0325 Sony Corp.
[14:37] <thompa> only device i have is cdrom
[14:38] <savvas> Curtman: if that doesn't work, I've never done the next command, but it could work: sudo dpkg-reconfigure udev
[14:39] <Curtman> savvas: I tried that one already.. Trying the reinstall now.
[14:39] <noelferreira> cwillu, are you there?
[14:40] <thompa> savvas: that might work for me too come to think of it
[14:41] <thompa> anybody having usb device problems?
[14:41] <savvas> thompa: well.. give it a shot :)
[14:41] <Curtman> savvas: I don't think it changed anything.  I'll continue manually comparing for now.
[14:41] <thompa> the beta install broke usb but the upgrade works for some reason
[14:42] <savvas> Curtman: how about this.. cp -R /dev/ to some backup dir, and reinstall udev
[14:43] <overridex> i don't think copying /dev/zero and /dev/urandom, etc. will go well
[14:43] <savvas> Curtman: sorry, backup with sudo, remove its contents and reinstall
[14:43] <savvas> Curtman: it's risky btw :)
[14:43] <Curtman> I think it may be time to admit defeat and download a live CD..
[14:44] <savvas> true
[14:44] <Curtman> I can't open a gnome terminal, the panel doesn't work..  This thing is very sick.  Euthanize it before it suffers any more.. Haha
[14:45] <thompa> take a daily build, there are lots of updates already
[14:47] <Skiessi> I think the wallpaper should be centered when it's zoomed to fill the screen, :| now it shows only the left part and cuts the rest with 16:9 wallpapers in 4:3 screen
[14:47] <jimmygoon> The intel driver n 855gm is simply slow. The redraw time for gtk apps is pathetic :(
[14:49] <thompa> jimmygoon: did you try no effects
[14:50] <jimmygoon> thompa it is darn near impossible to use if I DONT turn them off :(
[14:50] <Curtman> thompa: This one?  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20080322/
[14:50] <thompa> Curtman: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[14:50] <thompa> one im downloading ?
[14:51] <Curtman> thompa: Just found that one.. Good stuff.
[14:51] <thompa> i think all the hal updates are there probably. i hope
[14:51] <kbrooks_> hi
[14:51] <kbrooks_> um
[14:52] <bjwebb> hi
[14:52] <Skiessi> hi
[14:52] <Tuv0k> !ask
[14:52] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[14:53] <thompa> kubuntu looks awsome and has desktop effects setting
[14:53] <kbrooks_> when will the oldest supported ubuntu release (which?) be EOL'd
[14:53] <Curtman> Ouch.. 40KB/sec.  I hope there's a faster mirror.
[14:53] <thompa> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[14:54] <gew> hey guys ... how do i disable NetworkManager  .... i cant connect to wifi , cpu goes crazy .. i wanna do it manually till the fix up shows off
[14:54] <thompa> 56 minutes remaining  120kbs
[14:56] <catweazle> gew: apt-get --purge remove network-manager
[14:56] <gew> catweazle: thank you
[14:56] <thompa> Curtman: 243kbs from cdimage but lots of users
[14:56] <gew> do i need to stop it first
[14:57] <abarbaccia> gew: that will remove it. you might just want to kill it since that'll probably remove ubuntu-desktop
[14:57] <jhaig> I have just installed Hardy (beta downloaded yesterday).  I have tried setting the networking to take DHCP and a static IP address and in both cases, the networking doesn't get set up properly on boot.  With "roaming mode" set, the networking gets set up properly when I log in, but this is no good for me as I need to set up NIS and NFS at boot time.  Has anyone else seen this issue?
[14:57] <abarbaccia> gew: and with the changes being pushed you might lose out on some packages, etc
[14:58] <cwillu> noelferreira ping
[14:59] <Skiessi> lol gnome system monitor disappeared from the administration menu by the last upgrade
[15:04] <lopov> hey guys im having issues upgrading from dapper to hardy. my upgrade tool crashes when i run the cdromupgrade script and i cant seem to find the adept_manager in my install but i do have adept... any ideas?
[15:08] <ailean> upgrade to hardy has stopped my sound working - can anyone help?
[15:11] <abarbaccia> ailean: check to make sure all the volumes are turned up
[15:11] <ailean> abarbaccia, done that
[15:12] <abarbaccia> ailean: theres a script on the wiki which will generate a huge debug file for you - then submit it as a bug
[15:12] <ailean> k thanks
[15:12] <abarbaccia> for debugging sound
[15:14] <abarbaccia> ailean: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[15:14] <ailean> excellent, thanks abarbaccia
[15:16] <maney> So from time to time I accidentally make a "gesture" that Hardy interprets to mean "oh, switch tot he other workspace and really confuse him".  Where can I turn that stupidity off?
[15:17] <mcquaid> ok how do i permanently disable trackerd?
[15:17] <mcquaid> not just for this user
[15:19] <nevoeiro> does anyone know when this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/153195) is going to be fixed? it's really annoying to have the computer using almost 30% cpu all the time...
[15:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153195 in linux-source-2.6.22 "ksoftirqd/0 always using about 30% cpu time" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:19] <lopov> how come im missing adept_manager??? even though that i have installed adept?? am i missing something?
[15:20] <Batelje> hello,how can i have sudo rights at a liveCD (xubuntu 8.04 beta) ? i need to copy MP3 files from disk sdb to sda before i install xubuntu
[15:20] <Batelje> and i cant reach the mp3 files because ihe says 'permission denied' when i click the folder 'desktop' at sdb
[15:21] <maney> oh, and while I'm poking aeround looking for clues, what's with the things (eg., the crufty "help reader") that appear without a frame and so cannot be moved or resized so as to be usable?
[15:24] <cdm10> Is anyone here running Hardy in a VirtualBox VM?
[15:25] <bjwebb> hmmmm, flash and java don't seem to isntall properly
[15:27] <_MMA_> Anyone having issue with devices that SANE can recognize being busy? Something changed between Alpha6 and Beta.
[15:29] <pagan0ne> hey guys, anyone have any problems with the 8.04 beta cd hanging on install while trying to set the system clock?
[15:29] <Ashex> so.....how does one reconfigure the video driver and resolutions without dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[15:30] <Curtman> 1 hour, 27 minutes remaining..  :(
[15:30] <kebinusan> the joy of beta
[15:31] <Ashex> I'm trying to configure a system over ssh
[15:31] <Ashex> and the old method for setting up video driver and resolution doesn't work
[15:31] <kebinusan> somehow, lets get a version of vlc to work well with pulseaudio turned into me installing alsa from source and recompiling wine, and its not even noon yet
[15:32] <pagan0ne> so no-one else has a problem where 8.04 hangs on install off the live cd while trying to set the system clock?
[15:34] <pagan0ne> well, anyone have any suggestions on how to install 8.04 if the install hangs every time?
[15:36] <bjwebb> in firefox 3.0 b4 on ubuntu hardy beta, the only directory from which plugins seem to be read is /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b4/plugins
[15:36] <gregory> pagan0ne: start installation with switches disabling problematic hardware
[15:36] <gregory> pagan0ne: or things like acpi etc
[15:37] <pagan0ne> gregory: how would i do that?
[15:37] <gregory> anyone?
[15:38] <flipstar> bjwebb: $HOME/.mozilla/plugins also
[15:38] <kebinusan> pulse audio seems pretty nice
[15:38] <Asa_A> Does anyone here know how to make gnome's panels not stay on top of everything? I'm trying to play WoW (in wine) in fullscreen and sometimes it covers the panels and other times it won't.
[15:38] <Ashex> so nobodu knows?
[15:38] <Ashex> I assumed it was a pretty simple question
[15:38] <bjwebb> flipstar: yeah, true, but i want stuff to install systemwide
[15:39] <bjwebb> why is stuff not being read from /usr/lib/firefox/plugins ?
[15:39] <kebinusan> Asa_A: I just switch my WM when I launch wow, for some reason that seems to fix it temporarily .. course for some reason my title bars in compiz are screwed up in 8.04
[15:40] <kebinusan> Asa_A: not a solution, but installing fusion-icon lets you toggle your wm pretty handily
[15:40] <Asa_A> kebinusan: I turned compiz off and that didn't help, is that what you mean?
[15:41] <kebinusan> Asa, I have to toggle between compiz/metacity after wow launches each time I logon in 8.04 but after I do that it seems fine for the session, so far at least
[15:41] <kebinusan> only been playing with it for a day or so
[15:42] <Ashex> !xorg > me
[15:42] <jimmygoon> Any good reason why I can connect to my server from my windows box but NOT from my ubuntu machine OR the windows VM inside ubuntu?? this is the craziest thing evar
[15:42] <AlienX> maybe a couple of bizarre questions but does hardy's alternate CD have install time encryption as an option, and also, will there be any repercussions if I do a fresh install over a system that already has hd encryption (gutsy system)?
[15:42] <gregory> pagan0ne: one moment
[15:43] <Asa_A> kebinusan: thanks, but that doesn't seem to work for me, the other thing i've found to do is shrink both panels to the corner and use compiz to make them almost completely transparent
[15:43] <pagan0ne> how would i start the live-cd and disable any hardware that might cause freezing issues? how would i know what hardware to disable?
[15:43] <kebinusan> last time I had a similar problem I just dragged the panels to my other display when I launched wow, I cant remember how I ended up fixing it
[15:45] <jimmygoon> wait, how do I disable ufw
[15:46] <flipstar> sudo ufw disable
[15:46] <flipstar> see man ufw
[15:46] <jimmygoon> flipstar, well its not even running right now though
[15:47] <jimmygoon> wth. I still can't connect
[15:47] <flipstar> jimmygoon: you have samba /smbclient installed ?
[15:47] <ichat> is there a  link related to  *un official know to work hardware - kind of like where i can check if other users got my lappy to work with Hardy?
[15:47] <jimmygoon> flipstar, yeah
[15:47] <jimmygoon> flipstar, sorry, I meant FTP
[15:47] <jimmygoon> which makes it even stranger
[15:48] <flipstar> can you access the box from other computer/can you connect to other ftps ?
[15:48] <jimmygoon> yes
[15:48] <jimmygoon> I can connect to MY server but not the OTHER.... but I can access EITHER from my windows box downstairs
[15:48] <flipstar> whats the error message ?
[15:49] <jimmygoon> flipstar, it never receives the welcome message from the server
[15:50] <gregory> pagan0ne: ok, i found it
[15:51] <pagan0ne> gregory thanx
[15:51] <gregory> pagan0ne: in the installer hit f6, then add: noapic nolapic acpi=off and hit enter
[15:51] <gregory> gregory: its not a magic command, but helps in many cases
[15:52] <pagan0ne> gregory, thanx
[15:53] <pagan0ne> gregory noapic nolapic and acpi=off, u sure its not noacpi?
[15:54] <clusty> with hardy I am having some sound problems: somehow I can't have multiple apps using the sound card anymore
[15:54] <gregory> pagan0ne: acpi is controlled by "acpi=off"
[15:54] <clusty> has the system change in gnome?
[15:54] <pagan0ne> gregory ok, thats cool, well i gotta reboot now
[15:55] <pagan0ne> gregory thanks for the help, cross your fingers for me, i really hope this works... i HATE vista, and thats what came with this laptop
[15:56] <clusty> anyone experiencing sound issues?
[15:57] <jimmygoon> lots
[15:57] <jimmygoon> (not personally)
[16:00] <Shizuo> Does this no-partition thingy from Ubuntu 8 works?
[16:00] <Mark_Milliman> Does anyone use Banshee?
[16:00] <T1m0thy> Any reason why the weather part of the clock would say 30 F without hovering, but 21.3 F when hovering?
[16:01] <clusty> Mark_Milliman, i used to use banshee
[16:01] <clusty> why?
[16:01] <T1m0thy> I used to.
[16:01] <Mark_Milliman> Because the multimedia keys plugin seems to have disappeared with 0.13.2 from the beta disto
[16:03] <Mark_Milliman> clusty, the mouse button events are bound to the X86 media events but banshee isn't recognizing them
[16:03] <clusty> sorry cant help you amigo :D
[16:04] <Mark_Milliman> clutsy, np, thanks
[16:07] <sharperguy> Are there any major problems with hardy at the moment? (I assume not since its beta)
[16:07] <kebinusan> pulseaudio is a little wonky
[16:07] <ichat> well - thats logics i cant seem to follow up on
[16:07] <sharperguy> how do you mean?
[16:07] <kebinusan> you may have some trouble with some media players
[16:08] <ichat> if no known probs where there... it would n't be beta ;)
[16:08] <sharperguy> hence the "major"
[16:08] <ichat> it would (at least) be an RC
[16:08] <sharperguy> As long as I can use amarok and something to play video ill be fine
[16:09] <sharperguy> then again how is it for xine apps?
[16:09] <kebinusan> I had problems with xine stuff and choppy audio tbh, but ymmv
[16:09] <kebinusan> mplayer worked fine tho
[16:10] <nosrednaekim> my freind just installed hardy, is there a known issue with Intel wireless?
[16:10] <bjwebb> okay, from what i can tell firefox 3b4 on ubuntu hardy is looking for plugins in /usr/lib/firefox-3.0 and /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b4 but not /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins; which means the flash and java plugins aren't opened even thoguh they are installed
[16:10] <sharperguy> I could still theorettically put up with it as long as it was fixed before release
[16:10] <ichat> hmmz me throws them all out in favor of  vlc (but thats just my quarky ways)
[16:10] <sharperguy> vlc is good
[16:10] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: the kde3 and kde4 versions as well as gnome have all worked well for me; that is the 3945 intel wireless
[16:10] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: ok
[16:11] <sharperguy> oh anyone using the rt kernel with it?
[16:11] <kebinusan> ichat, I had problems with VLC, 5sec difference in video/audio, and I couldnt compile the newest build with PA support because it requires libasoun2 > 1.0.16 which hardy doesnt have
[16:11] <sharperguy> and I've already managed to break my suspend and hibernate
[16:11] <ichat> kebinusan:  - thnx for the warning
[16:12] <kebinusan> if you can manage to get alsa 1.0.16 on hardy though, the new vlc is verynice with PA support
[16:12] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: ah, this is a ipw4965
[16:12] <ichat> hardy will be the first  (linux)  on my lappy...
[16:12] <T1m0thy> Anyone else get like.. colored glitchy lines as they open Firefox? Not sure if it's on other things too, that's just what I always notice it on.
[16:13] <gregory> T1m0thy: yes, i ignore it, restart or move the window
[16:13] <ichat> when its released stable though :P
[16:13] <T1m0thy> Gregory, yeah, it doesn't really matter, it goes away without me touching it. Just wondering.
[16:14] <gregory> T1m0thy: it doesnt look very professional. but on the whole there are more urgent issues ;-)
[16:14] <T1m0thy> Yeah.
[16:14] <sebbar> hi, does the kde4 version of kubuntu come with webkit?
[16:15] <Mark_Milliman> T1m0thy, no video artifacts here
[16:15] <ichat> kde and webkit? :O
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> sebbar: no
[16:15] <T1m0thy> orly
[16:15] <sebbar> nosrednaekim: ok, tnx
[16:15] <Mark_Milliman> may be a compiz and driver issue, check to see if it happens with other programs
[16:15] <T1m0thy> Hmm.. I have an Intel 945.
[16:15] <T1m0thy> I'm not using Compiz.
[16:16] <ichat> webkit's hardly stable (last time i tryed it about  3months ago)  - it was way to borky (regardles if id use the  QT or the GTK frontend
[16:16] <jimmygoon> T1m0thy, I always get those.. Intel driver   855gm
[16:16] <Mark_Milliman> I seem to recall some Intel 945 driver issues with the -12 kerne3l
[16:22] <_MMA_> Anyone know where a Alpha-6 mirror is?
[16:23] <TheInfinity> _MMA_: hardy has gone beta
[16:23] <TheInfinity> you wont find alpha6
[16:23] <TheInfinity> except via bittorrent
[16:23] <_MMA_> I know what I asked. ;)
[16:23] <flipstar> torrent.ubuntu.com
[16:23] <TheInfinity> ok then -> bittorrent :)
[16:25] <_MMA_> flipstar: torrent.ubuntu.com Doesnt have the torrent.
[16:26] <TheInfinity> _MMA_: i could give it to you if i find it here ...
[16:27] <_MMA_> TheInfinity: Thanx. I found one.
[16:28] <_MMA_> Something has changed with SANE and I need to compare the beta vs. alpha6.
[16:34] <Majornikku> hello
[16:35] <Majornikku> I would like to run the new beta on a 1.12 TB with 4 Partions with winblows® on one
[16:35] <AlienX> does hardy's alternate CD have install time encryption as an option, and also, will there be any repercussions if I do a fresh install over a system that already has hd encryption (gutsy system)?
[16:35] <savvas> Majornikku: and? go ahead
[16:37] <Majornikku> of the parts. with ubuntu and the other 2 will be data archives
[16:37] <Majornikku> will ubuntu work on a 1.12 TB raid?
[16:37] <AlienX> Majornikku, sure, why wouldn't it?
[16:37] <savvas> Majornikku: grab a livecd and try it out :)
[16:37] <flipstar> Majornikku: a hardware raid ?
[16:38] <flipstar> then sure
[16:38] <Majornikku> gusty had a probleme with my raiod so i figure i wanted to ask first :)
[16:39] <alex_mayorga> !সচিম
[16:39] <alex_mayorga> !scim
[16:39] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[16:40] <savvas> Majornikku: well.. if you still have a problem, do: lspci -nnv and send the output along with a bug report at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[16:41] <scompany> hi everyone
[16:41] <ReL1K> whens the release date for hardy?
[16:41] <alex_mayorga> how do I turn off SCIM
[16:41] <savvas> ReL1K: google hardy release schedule
[16:41] <ReL1K> savvas, sure did and theres about 4 different release dates, most say end of march
[16:42] <savvas> ReL1K: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[16:42] <ReL1K> urr april
[16:42] <savvas> give or take 5 days :)
[16:42] <ReL1K> hehe thanks
[16:42] <jkliff> hi folks. i'm upgrading to hardy from gutsy right now
[16:42] <ReL1K> excited!
[16:42] <scompany> Could someone help me with a problem... I just installed 8.04 beta and it's very slow when compiz is enabled...
[16:42] <luinfana> do you have compiz-fusion?
[16:43] <scompany> yes
[16:43] <savvas> scompany: you have ati?
[16:43] <scompany> nop, I have intel 945
[16:43] <jkliff> i have this silly question: i clicked unfortnately on cancel when i was asked to keep or update my php conf files.
[16:43] <savvas> someone else had problems with ati and xgl, the same problem
[16:43] <scompany> How did he fix it?
[16:44] <jkliff> thus, everything later that depended on php says there were dependency problems. ok. i know it does. how do i force it to reconfigure this unconfigured packages later?
[16:44] <luinfana> it worked fine in gutsy/your previous version?
[16:44] <savvas> scompany: no idea, he disabled compiz and xgl :) file a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[16:44] <scompany> yes it worked fine in gutsy
[16:44] <luinfana> hmmm
[16:44] <luinfana> yeah, I'd file a bug
[16:44] <luinfana> not sure
[16:44] <savvas> :p
[16:45] <scompany> :)
[16:45] <pagan0me> hey, i just managed to install ubuntu on my laptop, however the installer was unable to install GRUB, so i cant boot it, its installed onto sda with ubuntu on sda2 and vista on sda1, how do i manually install grub, su grub-install sda doesnt seem to work
[16:45] <burken> do i have to uninstall old nvidia drivers before upgrading?
[16:45] <AlexLatchford> Anyone have any ideas on how to keep a netgear wireless card connected after a restart? I am using ndiswrapper with the windows driver.. :)
[16:45] <overridex> burken: mine were all screwed up from a manual change that i had made to them, so i had to...
[16:45] <jkliff> scompany, i have the same video here. let's see what happens when it finishes installing here. do you have the right x drivers for the 945 installed?
[16:46] <scompany> I have intel drivers, I also tried i810 but problem remains..
[16:47] <luinfana> it's like, choppy?
[16:48] <scompany> yes, you could describe it like that...
[16:48] <pagan0me> sorry its ubuntu 8.04 version
[16:48] <rsk> take a look if possible http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[16:48] <MFen> anyone know how to change (or get rid of) the launching of an application every time an ipod is plugged in?
[16:48] <MFen> currently gnome launches rhythmbox every time i plug in an ipod
[16:48] <luinfana> I've got a question...my system beep stays on even after disabling it in the sound menu. It's really annoying...
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> scompany: run "apt-cache policy xserver-xgl"
[16:49] <MFen> oh, wait, never mind, i found it
[16:49] <scompany> xserver-xgl:
[16:49] <scompany>   Installed: (none)
[16:49] <scompany>   Candidate: 1:1.1.99.1~git20080115-0ubuntu1
[16:49] <scompany>   Version table:
[16:49] <scompany>      1:1.1.99.1~git20080115-0ubuntu1 0
[16:49] <scompany>         500 http://hr.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages
[16:50] <scompany> should I install xserver-xgl?
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> scompany: ok, you are good then.... no don't install it
[16:50] <scompany> ok
[16:50] <pagan0me> grr, this is getting a little frustrating....
[16:51] <jkliff> erm..
[16:51] <jkliff> .ok
[16:51] <savvas> !grub | pagan0ne
[16:51] <ubotu> pagan0ne: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[16:51] <jkliff> i just got an error while upgrading
[16:51] <jkliff> related to the previously unconfigured packages...
[16:52] <jkliff> anyone knows what to do?
[16:52] <luinfana> what's the error, specifically?
[16:52] <savvas> jkliff: sudo apt-get -f install
[16:52] <pagan0ne> savvas, well if its installed to sda2 and i sudo grub-install sda then it should install, but instead it exits with this error: Format of install_device not reconized.
[16:53] <jkliff> luinfana, previously (by my mistake) php was left unconfigured
[16:53] <jkliff> so now i got:
[16:53] <jkliff> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:53] <jkliff>  libapache2-mod-php5
[16:53] <jkliff>  php5-mysql
[16:53] <jkliff>  php5
[16:53] <jkliff>  phpmyadmin
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> pagan0ne: /dev/sda
[16:53] <jkliff> and alter thus a stack trace
[16:53] <pagan0ne> nosrednaekim, ahh thx
[16:53] <blahbo> hi all. i noticed the sensitivity in iwl3945 is much worse than it used to be in ipw3945. any way of improving the link sensitivity or to revert to ipw3945?
[16:53] <luinfana> jkliff: OK, so what does it tell you?
[16:53] <pagan0ne> nosrednaekim, Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[16:54] <savvas> pagan0ne: it doesn't work with sata devices, from my experience, there's a way using the grub command though: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-7fb1c88570b006aa14b7daaef2238b432b7f73c8
[16:54] <nosrednaekim> pagan0ne: this is on the liveCD?
[16:54] <scompan1> sorry, I had a connection problem..
[16:54] <blahbo> also 'iplist scan' with iwl3945 renders less channels than iwp3945.. any similar experiences?
[16:54] <jkliff> it tells me 3 tmes about a bad file descriptor, but doens't tell me what file:
[16:54] <jkliff> Traceback (most recent call last):
[16:54] <jkliff>   File "logging/__init__.py", line 753, in emit
[16:54] <jkliff>     self.flush()
[16:54] <jkliff>   File "logging/__init__.py", line 731, in flush
[16:54] <jkliff>     self.stream.flush()
[16:54] <jkliff> IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor
[16:54] <jkliff> this error, 3 times in a row. and then ends.
[16:54] <orvokki> Flood. :/
[16:54] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin | jkliff
[16:54] <ubotu> jkliff: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[16:54] <jkliff> dist upgrade stopped on 'installing the upgrades
[16:54] <pagan0ne> nosrednaekim, yes, i just finished running the installer off the live cd, the installer went to install grub, crashed with a fatal error, and before i reboot i need grub installed
[16:54] <luinfana> it just quit?
[16:54] <jkliff> nosrednaekim, ubotu. i'm really sorry. i'l use that.
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> pagan0ne: ah ok, simple enough, run "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt"
[16:55] <jkliff> luinfana, the window is still open.
[16:55] <pagan0ne> jkliff, thanks, was getting to me there... lol
[16:55] <orvokki> pagan0ne: Is there supposed to be a boot partition on the disk?
[16:55] <jkliff> :( won't happen again. old habits die hard, you know...
[16:55] <luinfana> jkliff: did you try removing any partial changes you might have made when trying to setup PHP?
[16:56] <pagan0ne> orvokki, its setup as follows, sda1 is vista, sda2 is kubuntu "/"  no /boot or swap partitions
[16:56] <loa_> Hello, how i can deinstall old kernels?
[16:56] <orvokki> Ah, right.
[16:56] <pagan0ne> brb
[16:56] <Mark_Milliman> loa_, Synaptic Package Manger is the easiest way to do it.
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> pagan0ne: then run "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda"
[16:56] <jkliff> luinfana, not. i didn't try removing anything. i just let the upgrade process continue, thinking i would be able to fix php later on
[16:57] <orvokki> nosrednaekim: I'd have done that with a chroot but I suppose that's better.
[16:57] <Mark_Milliman> loa_, just search for the versions that you want to remove
[16:57] <loa_> Mark_Milliman, thank you.
[16:57] <Mark_Milliman> loa_, I use to manually remove everything, but sometimes you don't find all of the files
[16:57] <luinfana> jkliff: well, if you remove PHP completely, and then run the upgrade, then the installer will probably overwrite the files with the new default versions, and you won't get an error.
[16:57] <Mark_Milliman> loa_, np
[16:57] <loa_> but how i can make it from console/
[16:58] <jkliff> luinfana, assuming this is just a php thing, apt-get -f install should be enough?
[16:58] <nikos> hi all
[16:58] <luinfana> yeah I think so
[16:58] <nikos> I got a problem with a fresh install of hardy beta
[16:58] <jkliff> let's try
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> orvokki: chroot doesn't work because it doesn't have a /dev yet
[16:58] <orvokki> Hmm, right.
[16:58] <nikos> I can not get the native resolution of my screen (nvidia gpu,restricted drivers enabled)
[16:58] <orvokki> nosrednaekim: So you'd have to mount that too. Ok, your way is seriously better and less complex.
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> XD
[16:59] <orvokki> nosrednaekim: That is, I completely forgot the phase where you mount the livecd /dev into chroot /dev. :)
[16:59] <nikos> any bugreports on that?
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> never knew that method;)
[17:00] <luinfana> jkliff: if apt-get -f install doesn't work, then just completely remove PHP (apt-get remove packagename)
[17:00] <Mark_Milliman> lao_, look at the man page for aptitude and grep for the kernels you want to remove
[17:00] <Mark_Milliman> then run aptitude with the appropriate flags to remove the desired kernel packages
[17:01] <steph_> Is there someone here who use hardy/ltsp/virtualbox ?
[17:01] <jkliff> luinfana, at first it though a dpgk-reconfigure would suffice.
[17:01] <luinfana> and it didn't?
[17:01] <jkliff> luinfana, i didn't get to that. i had this error still in the upgrade process.
[17:02] <Mark_Milliman> lao_, aptitude purge (regexp for kernel) will do the trick, look at the man page first so you don't do any real damage
[17:02] <scompan2> sorry for being boring, but i had connection problem once again...
[17:02] <luinfana> jkliff: I still think you should just try to remove the PHP packages, and retry the upgrade.
[17:02] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone else have issues accessing wireless channels 12/13
[17:02] <luinfana> if it's not giving you any other options
[17:03] <h3sp4wn> (wpa_supplicant is fine but network-manager won't have any of it⎈)
[17:03] <scompan2> did someone maybe said something to me after i asked if i need to instal xorgserver-xgl
[17:03] <scompan2> *xerver-xgl
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> scompan2: yeah.. I said don't
[17:04] <scompan2> ok, i didn't... you do have any other suggestion maybe
[17:04] <muszek> hi
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> scompan2: not really, I don't have a intel card
[17:06] <scompan2> ok, thanks anyway..
[17:06] <overridex> scompan1: you don't need XGL for compiz with an intel card
[17:06] <overridex> just need to enable AIGLX in your xorg.conf
[17:07] <jkliff> luinfana, i just want to be sure i will be carrying on with my update properly regardless of having php installed or not
[17:07] <jkliff> and i'm not really sure i am
[17:07] <scompan2> my compiz works, but it's veeery slow, especially when scrolling something, like in firefox...
[17:07] <muszek> I just plugged in external monitor (1280x1024) to my laptop (1440x900).  It displays same content on both screens.  On the laptop screen gnome panels are shown as if the laptop had the same resolution as the external monitor - upper panel is shortened to 1280px, lower is not shown (it's "below the fold").  How should I proceed from here?  I'd like to have different stuff shown on both screens (what's the point otherwise...)
[17:07] <scompan2> and I don't have enabled AIGLX
[17:08] <overridex> scompan1: is it using direct rendering?  (glxinfo | grep ^direct)
[17:08] <jkliff> update-manager --devel-release (the way i started upgrading in the first place) suggests there are only a handful of packages to upgrade...
[17:08] <scompan2> yes
[17:08] <pagan0ne> nosrednaekim, The file /mnt/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[17:08] <luinfana> OK, let me just make sure we're on the same page. The upgrade manager is giving you an error about PHP configs, and no options to skip configuration or anything, so basically you have a paused upgrade window at this point.
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> pagan0ne: you need to do a reinstall.
[17:08] <savvas> 17:54:04 < savvas> pagan0ne: it doesn't work with sata devices, from my experience, there's a way using the grub command though:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-7fb1c88570b006aa14b7daaef2238b432b7f73c8
[17:09] <muszek> I have intel x3100 onboard GPU (the one that comes with C2D santa rosa)
[17:09] <jkliff> luinfana, exactly. just one thing: this is what i _had_. already closed that and am trying to recover from whre i stopped.
[17:09] <savvas> no one ever listens to me :P
[17:09]  * nosrednaekim reads savvas's link
[17:10] <scompan2> I don't understand it... everything worked fine with in gutsy with same xorg conf..
[17:10] <jkliff> luinfana, but it seems for the better now: update-manager --devel-release is asking me again about php.
[17:10]  * savvas sens nosrednaekim a treat :p
[17:10] <savvas> *sends
[17:10] <savvas> if only pagan0ne would read it :)
[17:10] <jkliff> now i don't know wheter the upgrade will be complete, as it stopped in the middle...
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | savvas
[17:10] <ubotu> savvas: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[17:11] <pagan0ne> savvas, i am reading it, but it takes alot of effort to read that and keep up here
[17:11] <savvas> pagan0ne: then.. just read the guide, if it doesn't work, you come back here
[17:12] <jkliff> luinfana, ok, now i don't know where i'm standing.
[17:12] <jkliff> that php problem got fixed, but i don't think the upgrade is complete
[17:13] <luinfana> OK, if the upgrade manager is closed, then just start another upgrade
[17:13] <luinfana> if your PHP problem is fixed, as you say
[17:13] <luinfana> do update-manager --devel-release
[17:13] <jkliff> it is what i did
[17:13] <jkliff> and it finished already
[17:14] <jkliff> shouldn't it do the whole thing, including asking to reboot and all?
[17:14] <luinfana> So if you run that command, you don't get "New Distribution Release 8.10 Available?"
[17:14] <jkliff> not again.
[17:14] <jkliff> i did at first. now i don't
[17:14] <luinfana> yes, it should, but since you had an error, you should run it again
[17:14] <luinfana> oh
[17:14] <luinfana> that's not good
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> jkliff: you can just run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[17:15] <AlexHoover> "sudo upgrade-manager -d" too.
[17:15] <jkliff> ...0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:15] <luinfana> nosrednaekim: but will dist-upgrade show hardy beta?
[17:15] <AlexHoover> !initramfs
[17:16] <AlexHoover> Hmm
[17:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about initramfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:16] <jkliff> i tryied them all and none says anythng specific about hardy. at first updatemanager --devel-... did, but not no.
[17:16] <jkliff> now*
[17:16] <luinfana> it says "your system is up to date?"
[17:16] <jkliff> do-release-upgrade --devel-release tells me No new release found as well
[17:16] <jkliff> luinfana, yes
[17:17] <luinfana> OK, then unless anyone else here has a better suggestion, you should probably just restart and fix any problems you have after that
[17:17] <luinfana> how far along was it?
[17:18] <pagan0ne> savvas, ok, error from the grub install: Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition   returned from        setup  (hd0)
[17:18] <AlexHoover> Okay, this is really weird. So, I upgraded from 7.x with all the latest updates to the Hardy BETA last night, and the upgrade went smooth or whatever. But, when I boot up, it goes to the Ubuntu loading screen, and instead of going to the login screen, it goes to a shell-like screen. I says something abotu "initramfs" and "BusyBox".
[17:18] <AlexHoover> it*
[17:19] <AlexHoover> Did the install muck up?
[17:19] <jkliff> luinfana, restart you mean the computer, right? this means you think i have the upgrade only half way ready, right?
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> AlexHoover: yes.... do you have an older kernel around?
[17:20] <AlexHoover> nosrednaekim, I discs for Ubuntu 7.x and 6.x
[17:20] <stefg> AlexHoover: you are apparently stuck in the initial ramdisk file system... usually this means that the kernel doesn't findthe root-fs
[17:20] <pagan0ne> nosrednaekim, im gonna take your advice and reinstall as i seem to be working from a hosed system....
[17:20] <AlexHoover> What do you think I should do to fix it?
[17:20] <AlexHoover> Ah
[17:20] <luinfana> jkliff: Yes, but I think you were probably far enough along to have a working system. Back up important files and do a reboot.
[17:21] <jkliff> backing up already... sadly this is my work laptop ;) hehe too many important files
[17:21] <HetaUma> hi. Just installed hardy and I'm having some trouble with my wifi adapter. At 7.10 I could see the card in restricted drivers and install it from there. Now it's not on restricted drivers and though it seems to recognise that I have a wifi card it doesn't scan or give me any list of networks
[17:21] <jkliff> (ok ok i know. upgrading to beta on a work machine is not the most smart thing to do, but i trust ubuntu folks ;))
[17:22] <HetaUma> card is a boradcom BCM4306
[17:22] <luinfana> jkliff: yeah, I'm questioning my sanity for upgrading my laptop...I use it for everything
[17:23] <luinfana> HetaUma: type "ifconfig" in a terminal
[17:23] <jkliff> i don't question mine. i know i'm a little deranged ;)
[17:23] <HetaUma> luinfana, nope it's not there :(
[17:23] <luinfana> HetaUma: OK, I have the same problem. It appeared as wlan0 in gutsy, but it's completely gone in hardy.
[17:24] <luinfana> not sure how to help...can someone help both of us?
[17:24] <HetaUma> luinfana, same card too ?
[17:24] <jkliff> ok. i'll reboot
[17:24] <luinfana> no, mine's a iwl4965 (intel), but still, the issue is that your wireless card disappears after upgrade
[17:25] <luinfana> it shows up in lspci, but not ifconfig
[17:26] <xtknight> woohoo hardy livecd
[17:27] <Infecto> ok :) i reinstall to x64 8.04 alpha
[17:27] <Infecto> or beta :)
[17:27] <Infecto> and
[17:27] <Infecto>  5552 root      20   0 26056  768  564 R  100  0.0  18:59.29 kdm
[17:27] <Infecto> 100% cpu usage by kdm
[17:28] <Infecto> its normal?
[17:28] <xtknight> dont think so
[17:28] <xtknight> but i use gdm
[17:28] <xtknight> you could use gdm until kdm is fixed, if it is a known bug
[17:28] <Infecto> in 32bit version ther was no this problem
[17:28] <Infecto> gdm hmm
[17:29] <AlexHoover> Bah, the upgrade messed my partition. I booted from a Kubuntu LiveCD and I couldn't access any files on my ext3 partition, even as root. Most of the stuff is corrupted. ;(
[17:29] <jkliff> luinfana, it is working rather well actually
[17:29] <jkliff> only my screen resolution it completely messed up ;)
[17:29] <xtknight> but you may want to report the bug or discover if others are having the same problem
[17:29] <xtknight> after 5 versions of ubuntu (dapper,edgy,feisty,gutsy,hardy) my graphics adapter isn't detected properly
[17:29] <xtknight> bug filed since edgy :O
[17:30] <luinfana> jkliff: OK, but you managed to get it back to normal?
[17:31] <jkliff> it's usable. dont know yet how normal it is.
[17:31] <jkliff> am just apt-getting 915resolution again... (got removed for whatever reason...)
[17:31] <AlexLatchford> Hey guys, anyone have any ideas on how to stay connected to a Netgear Wireless Card after a restart? I have the card working using ndiswrapper, but every time I reboot it appears as though ndiswrapper module is not loaded correctly..
[17:31] <luinfana> ok
[17:31] <jkliff> but thanks for the insights and help
[17:31] <luinfana> sure...hope you get everything back to normal
[17:31] <jkliff> very appreciated and useful
[17:32] <luinfana> np
[17:32] <jkliff> so do i ;)
[17:32] <dandel> it seems aticonfig from the latest repository still crashes.
[17:32] <jkliff> ok
[17:32] <jkliff> resolution back on track
[17:32] <jkliff> this is starting do feel right again
[17:32] <Turski> having a problem :/
[17:33] <luinfana> good good
[17:33] <Turski> i just removed manually installed nvidia 169.12 driver and installed it from apt
[17:33] <luinfana> check the basic stuff...sound, internet connection, keyboard, mouse
[17:33] <Turski> but after reboot X doesnt start anymore
[17:33] <AlexHoover> Is it me or does the BETA install faster than the previous versions?
[17:33] <AlexHoover> The BETA installed in about 3 minutes here.
[17:33] <xtknight> what's the proper way to stop gdm?
[17:34] <jkliff> do we still have trackerd issues in hardy?
[17:34] <Turski> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[17:34] <Turski> for xtknight
[17:34] <xtknight> Turski,  failsafe keeps kicking in and i just want to install the  nvidia dirvers from nvidia.com
[17:34] <xtknight> i mean i managed to finally kill it with sudo killall gdm and sudo killall Xorg some unknown number of times
[17:34] <xtknight> but hmm kinda odd
[17:34] <xtknight> im using the livecd maybe that's why it's more difficult
[17:35] <Turski> with manually installed nvidia driver AA didn't work for me
[17:35] <xtknight> antialiasing?
[17:35] <Turski> yeh
[17:35] <xtknight> works fine here i think
[17:35] <xtknight> the one in the nvidia repos should be the same thing, maybe with a patch for the module to install in the ubuntu kernel
[17:35] <xtknight> unless it's a different version
[17:35] <Turski> but when i removed that and installed one from apt and rebooted X, Aa worked
[17:36] <Turski> but now X doesnt start anymore after complete reboot
[17:36] <xtknight> for nvidia.com/hardy, i had to use "sudo modprobe -i nvidia" to skip install-script for the module.  otherwise it wouldn't insert into my kernel
[17:36] <xtknight> and the livecd doesn't have nvidia.ko
[17:36] <Turski> O_o
[17:36] <xtknight> not looking forward to doing all this again ;)
[17:37] <Turski> what nvidia repository
[17:37] <xtknight> i usually like installing the latest so i go w/ nvidia.com
[17:37] <Turski> but there is latest in hardy repos
[17:37] <xtknight> but once i install hopefully restricted will work, andright now restricted is the latest
[17:37] <fw0127> someone knows why my terminal is total blank after system boot in X
[17:37] <Turski> 169.12
[17:37] <xtknight> yeah
[17:37] <Turski> and i just installed that
[17:37] <xtknight> i just wanted to give the livecd a fair run, and restricted does not exist in the livecd
[17:38] <Turski> ah
[17:38] <xtknight> the default video drivier for my card has been screwed up forever
[17:38] <Turski> but can someone help me with this problem :P
[17:38] <xtknight> i had to overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe to get my nvidia to work lol
[17:38] <xtknight> hacky tho
[17:38] <xtknight> Turski, what problem exactly?
[17:39] <Turski> i just explained it
[17:39] <Turski> X doesnt start
[17:39] <xtknight> i see.  maybe you're dealing with failsafe issues as well but i dont really know
[17:39] <Turski> O_o
[17:39] <xtknight> what's the log say.?
[17:40] <xtknight>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:40] <Ashex> anyone know how to reconfigure X from terminal?
[17:40] <xtknight> Ashex, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[17:40] <Turski> xtknight: failed to load nvidia kernel module
[17:40] <fw0127> perhaps /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[17:40] <xtknight> Turski, try "sudo modprobe -i nvidia"
[17:40] <xtknight> and then gdm restart
[17:41] <Turski> kdm* ;)
[17:41] <Ashex> xtknight: that doesn't work for me
[17:41] <Ashex> it just exits
[17:41] <xtknight> Ashex, that means it worked.  restart gdm
[17:41] <Turski> what does -i do?
[17:41] <dandel> does anyone else have issues with the fglrx drivers at all?
[17:41] <xtknight> Turski, it skips the install script.  it can be used for modules that have trouble with the kernel
[17:41] <Ashex> xtknight: I'm building a machine remotely, I want to configure the driver and resolution
[17:41] <xtknight> Ashex, ok sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  , without the -phigh
[17:41] <dandel> it seems that aticonfig does not work again.
[17:41] <xtknight> Ashex, this may give you options to configure
[17:42] <Ashex> xtknight: I just get the keyboard options with that
[17:42] <Turski> xtknight: but... how it helps O_o
[17:42] <xtknight> Ashex, what video driver are you using?
[17:42] <xtknight> Turski, huh?
[17:42] <Ashex> that's how I usually do it, but now with hardy that doesn't work
[17:42] <xtknight> Turski, did your works with -i?
[17:42] <xtknight> work*
[17:42] <Turski> hmm
[17:42] <Ashex> xtknight: I just want to setup nvidia driver with 1440x900
[17:42] <Turski> looks interesting
[17:42] <Ashex> I might as well just edit xorg.conf i suppose
[17:42] <Turski> what was the command for mouse support to terminal?
[17:42] <xtknight> Ashex, ok "nvidia".  sudo nvidia-xconfig
[17:43] <xtknight> Turski, no iea
[17:43] <xtknight> no idea
[17:43] <Turski> damn..
[17:43] <Turski> i have it installed but...
[17:43] <Turski> just can't remember
[17:44] <Ashex> xtknight: okay
[17:44] <Ashex> wow, 7.3 is weird
[17:44] <Turski> ah, gpm
[17:44] <xtknight> Ashex, 7.3?
[17:44] <Ashex> xorg.conf has Modes set as "nvidia-auto-select"
[17:44] <xtknight> oh xorg
[17:44] <Ashex> yeah
[17:44] <xtknight> i dont know ya xorg is all weird now
[17:44] <Ashex> I'm guessing that's how dynamic resolutions are done
[17:44] <xtknight> i did "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[17:44] <Infecto> yep gdm works fine :)
[17:44] <Turski> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory
[17:44] <xtknight> to remove the weirdo xorg default
[17:45] <Ashex> heh
[17:45] <Ashex> I'll try it out when I get home
[17:45] <Ashex> I had the motherboard died, took a month to do rma for it and then i had grub issues
[17:45] <Turski> what do i do :S
[17:45] <xtknight> Turski, install nvidia .sh ?
[17:46] <flipstar> Turski: you need to reinstall nvidia for the current kernel
[17:46] <fw0127> why i can see the boot message before x start,but not after ...
[17:46] <Ashex> instead of trying to figure out what order i plug the 4 drives in to get it to boot, I just grabbed the dpkg selections and reinstalled
[17:46] <xtknight> grub needs to adopt uuid
[17:46] <Turski> AND the interesting part is that i have that file what it blames i dont have
[17:47] <Ashex> yeah, you can set the kernel location with uuid
[17:47] <xtknight> Turski, and you're using sudo?
[17:47] <Ashex> but the groot can't be
[17:47] <Turski> xtknight: yeh
[17:47] <xtknight> the file's permissions are accessible?
[17:47] <xtknight> how is UUID determined anyway?
[17:47] <xtknight> is there a standard?
[17:48] <xtknight> it would suck if grub and linux generated different uuids
[17:48] <flipstar> !uuid
[17:48] <Turski> xtknight: I installed it with apt
[17:48] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[17:48] <Turski> i think it should be ok
[17:48] <Turski> nvidia-glx-new package
[17:48] <xtknight> install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)  ?
[17:49] <Turski> i have
[17:49] <xtknight> nvidia-glx* just has xorg libs
[17:49] <xtknight> dunno
[17:49] <xtknight> you're getting the same problem i am then
[17:49] <xtknight> i thought nvidia.ko was just missing from livecd x64
[17:49] <Turski> but this isn't livecd
[17:49] <xtknight> yea that's my poiont
[17:49] <xtknight> it's more widespread ?
[17:49] <fw0127> why the window menus disappere very quickly after i click it? it make me creasy...
[17:50] <Turski> and it's not missing
[17:50] <blekos> hello
[17:50] <xtknight> Turski, check dmesg
[17:50] <xtknight> fw0127, maybe compiz bug
[17:50] <blekos> anybody has probs with wireless?
[17:50] <xtknight> no blending on fade-out
[17:50] <Turski> what about dmesg :S
[17:50] <xtknight> Turski, should be something at the end, maybe?
[17:50] <xtknight> i dunno
[17:51] <fw0127> how i can get it off :( i know little about it
[17:51] <xtknight> try this: "sudo rmmod nvidia" then "sudo insmod /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko"
[17:51] <xtknight> fw0127, system->preferences->appearance->Desktop Effects->None
[17:51] <xtknight> Visual Effects*
[17:52] <keturn> hooray, my networkmanager catches signal 11
[17:52] <fw0127> you know the bottun of the left corner when I push it the menus disappered also...
[17:52] <orkun> my wireless does not work with nm-applet anymore! last thing i did was getting ot of standby
[17:52] <keturn> the backtrace is pretty crummy because it finds no debugging symbols.  are there -dbg packages I should install?
[17:52] <alka_trash> after a upgrade, I noticed that I'm still using alsa, Pulse is installed, but I doesn't see to be used. is this correct?
[17:53] <orkun> how can i troubleshoot that?
[17:53] <Infecto> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GS (rev a1)
[17:53] <avis> in hardy how do i configure xserver-xorg ?  using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't allow me to choose a video driver or configure my monitor
[17:53] <xtknight> wireless problems are normal for hardy now i think
[17:53] <xtknight> may be a known problem
[17:53] <xtknight> a lot of people are having it
[17:53] <fw0127> so i cannot acess system settings, is there an alternate way?
[17:53] <xtknight> fw0127,  gnome-appearance-properties
[17:53] <xtknight> ?
[17:53] <xtknight> in terminal
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> fw0127: KDE4?
[17:54] <fw0127> kde4
[17:54] <xtknight> avis, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg   ?
[17:54] <orkun> avis, with nvidia nvidia takes responsibility for that
[17:54] <xtknight> try priority low for it to show all messages
[17:54] <orkun> avis, with intel you have to take care by yourself
[17:54] <orkun> avis, with ati everything sucks :) anyway you can go to start other screens and graphics and take some gui action there
[17:54] <blekos> can you plse confirm if wirelles has problem?
[17:54] <Turski> hm... now that file disappeared
[17:55] <Turski> or maybe my db was old and that's why locate found that
[17:55] <orkun> the changes you apply will be saved there.
[17:55] <Turski> however, i'm not having nvidia.ko now :/
[17:55] <avis> i have nvidia and when i do the sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg after the keyboard configuration it write the xorg.conf to hard drive and never moves on to video
[17:55] <orkun> hey there again - can nm-applet have anything to do with xorg.conf?
[17:55] <xtknight> orkun, not that i know of ?
[17:55] <xtknight> why would these be correlated ?
[17:56] <orkun> hmpf... how come with computers not changing anything results in not working anything :>
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> avis: that command no longer works with xorg 7.3
[17:56] <Turski> yeh, not having nvidia.ko for -12 kernel
[17:56] <xtknight> nvidia is messed up i guess
[17:56] <orkun> been to standby and now everything i do in nm seems just not to effect anything :>
[17:56] <xtknight> for hardy bea?
[17:56] <orkun> iwconfig essid blabla works fine
[17:56] <fw0127> it says there is a conflicts with other systems setting...afterall i enter it and the visualeffects are turned off, but i still cannot acess the menubar
[17:57] <avis> nosrednaekim, ok thank you. whats the new one ?
[17:57] <orkun> maybe i can go to standby again and everything will be fixed ^^ brb
[17:57] <xtknight> for hardy wireless problems
[17:57] <xtknight> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=hardy+wireless&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[17:57] <xtknight> there's several
[17:57] <Infecto>  http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[17:57] <Infecto> which one of this should i use?
[17:57] <xtknight> bug 201180
[17:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201180 in linux "[hardy] kernel 2.6.24-12 breaks wireless (atheros)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201180
[17:57] <xtknight> bug 199066
[17:57] <Infecto> http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[17:57] <Infecto> or
[17:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199066 in network-manager "[iwl4965] wireless support broken since 0.6.6~rc2" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199066
[17:57] <Infecto>  
[17:58] <fw0127> what can i do?
[17:58] <xtknight> Linux IA32/Latest Version: 169.12
[17:58] <xtknight> or amd64
[17:58] <xtknight> fw0127, sorry i'm not really sure
[17:58] <xtknight> fw0127, do you recall seeing anything that said HAL did not start
[17:58] <xtknight> i also had no menu when i had HAL problems
[17:58] <xtknight> but that coincided with my video issues
[17:58] <fw0127> how can i prove it?
[17:58] <Ashex> hmm, got most things setup
[17:58] <xtknight> umm
[17:59] <xtknight> i donno
[17:59] <Ashex> anyone know if FreeNX works in hardy?
[17:59] <fw0127> and my other terminal is black, after boot into x-windows, so i cannot see what happens before
[17:59] <Infecto>  i`m nto suer too
[18:01] <fw0127> test to see if i live
[18:01] <fw0127> and it works only in firefox :(
[18:01] <jessica> i need help with my network
[18:01] <Raspberry> my iwl4965 network card connects to my 5Ghz wireless router but it won't work at 300mbps, only 54mbps... in Windows this works fine... any thoughts?
[18:02] <xtknight> jessica, are you using hardy?
[18:02] <xtknight> and wireless?
[18:02] <Raspberry> jessica: you're still in here with problems ?
[18:02] <jessica> yes im using hardy yes im still here
[18:02] <Raspberry> jessica: now what's wrong?
[18:02] <avis> i'm unable to use 'screen and graphics' to configure video and monitor in hardy.  it crashes when i select 'nv' and choose 'monitor, widescreen, detect'
[18:03] <xtknight> avis, pretty much same here
[18:03] <jessica> the same thing
[18:03] <xtknight> avis, nv does not work on my7800gt
[18:03] <avis> ouch :)
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> Raspberry: my freind can't even get 54mbs working
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> avis: use vesa
[18:03] <jessica> my wireless dose not work
[18:03] <avis> xtknight, if you use envyng does it ever give an option for 'nvidia' instead of 'nv' ?
[18:03] <xtknight> ya no one's wireles really works right now
[18:03] <xtknight> i guess i could try it
[18:03] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: I'm only get connection quality in the 40%-50% range too
[18:03] <avis> am using vesa but i have a widescreen monitor and it looks horrible
[18:04] <Raspberry> my wireless works fine
[18:04] <xtknight> avis, ah i never useud envyng.  i installed off nvidia.cmo
[18:04] <xtknight> used*, .com*
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> !envy
[18:04] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[18:04] <Raspberry> jessica: what mfg and model wireless card?  running gnome desktop or kde?  what version of hal and libhal1 are you currently running?
[18:04] <jessica> mine dosnt i have ndiwrapper and it picks up the networks it just dosnt connect to them
[18:04] <Raspberry> jessica: it just spins and spins... right?
[18:05] <jessica> yes
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> Raspberry: mind telling me the kernel module name for your wireless?
[18:06] <jessica> when the two dots are there and the blue thing spinning the first bottem light comes on then it stops
[18:06] <Raspberry> jessica: well that's different than the problem I had ... I had unsecured networks I was trying to connect to... you're trying to connect to secured networks, correct?
[18:06] <blekos> i'm having problems with my wireless as well, but ubotu mentioned there is a bug
[18:06] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: what's the best way to find that out?
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> Raspberry: lshw
[18:07] <jessica> yes a sercure network with 64 hex WEP sercurity
[18:07] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: I can never remember all the commands :)
[18:07] <blekos> Launchpad bug 199066 in network-manager "[iwl4965] wireless support broken since 0.6.6~rc2" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199066
[18:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199066 in network-manager "[iwl4965] wireless support broken since 0.6.6~rc2" [High,Incomplete]
[18:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199066 in network-manager "[iwl4965] wireless support broken since 0.6.6~rc2" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199066
[18:08] <xtknight> hmm
[18:08] <xtknight> looks like ubotu should respond to only one request per line
[18:09] <jessica> i really need to fix my wireless
[18:09] <blekos> so Raspberry, how did u make ur wifi to work?
[18:09] <davek> gregory: I installed Qemulator and followed the instructions and I can't get it to work. Confusing. I added a virtual and set to cdrom but it doesn't work!
[18:09] <Raspberry> blekos: it's always worked
[18:09] <blekos> oh, i c
[18:09] <Raspberry> except for 0.5.11-1ubuntu1
[18:09] <gregory> davek: ok, will figure that out, nice to have you back
[18:09] <Raspberry> with that hal libhal1 package
[18:10] <Raspberry> that broke it
[18:10] <Raspberry> NOW it's just slow since that was fixed
[18:10] <blekos> hm, then i should considering of downgrading...
[18:10] <Ashex> wee, now thunderbird downloads a months worth of emails
[18:10] <fw0127> now i know i have not! install combiz
[18:11] <Raspberry> blekos: this is what I'm running now 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2
[18:11] <Raspberry> jessica: then fix it -- instead of sitting in here and saying it's broken... you won't even answer simple technical questions ... make and model of your wireless card... if it's a laptop... what model... what version of hal and libhal1 are you running?
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> Raspberry: you can just pastebin all the results of that command, I'll find the answer
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> oh.. and you have to run it with sudo to see the driver
[18:13] <xtknight> mich54, what's the problem ?
[18:13] <mich54> xtknight : i have a prob with my vga driver !
[18:13] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: yeah I did ... i'll pastebin it now
[18:13] <jessica> i dont know what version of libhal1 im using i think its the latest its a toshiba equium V200 laptop and my wireless card is RTL8187B
[18:13] <xtknight> mich54, what video card are you using, and you have Hardy installed?
[18:13] <davek> gregory: I loaded the Hardy live CD and pointed it to /media/cdrom0 . Added the engine as Hardy and created a emu-iso file in my home directory, what am I missing?
[18:13] <fw0127> now i installed them
[18:14] <mich54> xtknight : yeah , i updated from gutsy today , it was workin very good b4 that
[18:15] <xtknight> mich54, what video driver are you using?  and where are you now?  in vesa mode or on another pc?
[18:15] <fw0127> now the problem remains
[18:16] <fw0127> xtknight, should it be the problem of kde4?
[18:16] <xtknight> fw0127, sorry.  i really have no idea
[18:16] <xtknight> does hardy use kde4?
[18:16] <gregory> davek: qemulator hangs here
[18:16] <xtknight> i tried kde4 for gutsy and it was still pretty buggy
[18:16] <fw0127> i have installed them, it works fine with gutsy
[18:16] <mich54> it's workin but i used to have this problem when i was using windows without installin the driver , the windows doesn't move well , it jumps !
[18:17] <fw0127> and it is same unter xfce :(
[18:17] <xtknight> mich54, alright, you probably do not 2D XRender acceleration then.  and you need to install the official nvidia driver to get that
[18:17] <xtknight> i think nvidia is broken on hardy now.  i'm not sure. but at least three people had trouble getting it to work
[18:17] <davek> you mean, many use it?
[18:18] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: http://pastebin.org/24882
[18:18] <nosrednaekim> thanks
[18:18] <gregory> davek: do you want boot from the physical cdrom, which has hardy burnt onto, or do you use a virtual cdrom drive, which holds the iso-file?
[18:18] <xjjk> Raspberry: you've an X61 tablet? same here
[18:19] <mich54> xtknight : so is there a way to fix it , or shall i just wait for an update ? and shall i report it ?
[18:19] <Raspberry> xjjk: yeah -- I wish they'd have a real 3d card in it, but oh well :)
[18:19] <xtknight> mich54, i dont know.  im on a livecd so i can't confirm the problem
[18:19] <Ashex> mich54: do a search of launchpad
[18:19] <xjjk> Raspberry: hrm, I like the X3100 great...
[18:19] <xtknight> no way im installing this thing as -is
[18:19] <xtknight> lol
[18:19] <xjjk> it runs Compiz well enough, that's the extend of 3D acceleration I need
[18:19] <Raspberry> xjjk: how do you like yours?  I get about 4 to 4.5 hrs of battery in linux and 6+ in Vista
[18:20] <xtknight> does anyone know if ubiquity can install to a /dev/mdx device after you mdadm --assemble ?
[18:20] <bluefox83> O.O
[18:20] <xjjk> Raspberry: yeh, my battery life is terrible in Linux... ~3 hrs
[18:20] <mich54> xtknight : oh ok , thx anyway ! i'll  try googling more !
[18:20] <xjjk> I'm hoping hardy will change that
[18:20] <xtknight> xjjk, enable cpu throttle?
[18:20] <JoeShmo> anyone happen to know if the patches to libxcb from 3-16-2008 made it into the 8.04 beta yet?  I'm getting the 'ol locking assertion failures.
[18:20] <Raspberry> xjjk: same here
[18:20] <xjjk> Raspberry: you using 64-bit?
[18:20] <Raspberry> xjjk: you know about the powertop util?
[18:20]  * bluefox83 gets better battery life in ubuntu than in winblows
[18:20] <Raspberry> xjjk: yeah, I'm running 64-bit
[18:20] <xjjk> Raspberry: yah
[18:20] <Raspberry> I was hoping to virtualize windows... I've got 4gb of ram in the thing
[18:20] <gregory> davek: both options are possible, we just have to coordinate which you want to use
[18:21] <xjjk> most my "problems" are that x86-64 doesn't have the same power optimizations as x86
[18:21] <xjjk> which is supposed to have changed in the 2.6.24 kernel
[18:21] <mich54> xtknight , there's also a problem with the sound
[18:21] <Raspberry> xjjk: good :)  because x64 is noticeably faster
[18:21] <xjjk> tickless, etc
[18:21] <xtknight> xjjk, 2.6.24 has tickless
[18:21] <xtknight> use -rt kernel
[18:21] <bluefox83> i'm wondering if hardy will have better 64 bit support for wireless drivers...
[18:21] <mich54> xtknight : to b more specific , the commands sound and esdsound , both don't work !
[18:21] <Raspberry> xtknight: so if we're running 64-bit we should be running the rt kernel?
[18:22] <mescon> Sorry, but I just upgraded to the Hardy Heron beta from 7.10... now the soundcard doesn't seem to be loaded, lshw -C sound gives me 828001G ICH7 HD Audio Controller (UNCLAIMED)... what module needs to be loaded for it to work?
[18:22] <xtknight> Raspberry, or 32bit
[18:22] <xjjk> I'm using the Intel 4965BGN... 64-bit drivers work great
[18:22] <xjjk> xtknight: why do we want the rt kernel?
[18:22] <xtknight> i know 2.6.24 has tickless for x64,ARM,etc but i dont know if hardy has it
[18:22] <xtknight> -rt is realtime or tickless, it saves power on laptops
[18:22] <xjjk> xtknight: it does
[18:22] <JoeShmo> ok, how about this approach...  has anyone gotten hardy + amd64 +java + (firefox || opera 9.5) to work?
[18:22] <xjjk> xtknight: er, I don't think rt is tickless...
[18:22] <xtknight> no?
[18:22] <xjjk> if anything it has a high tick rate
[18:23] <xjjk> I forgot how rt worked
[18:23] <xjjk> but it's not for power savings
[18:23] <xtknight> linux-image-2.6.24-12-rt - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on Ingo Molnar's full real time preemption patch (2.6.24.3-rt3)
[18:23] <xtknight> hmm
[18:23] <xtknight> i dont know what it is
[18:24] <xtknight> well ill check the kernel config for -rt and confirm you
[18:24] <xtknight> i have x64 now
[18:24] <xjjk> it lets applications that need CPU time immediately get it
[18:24] <davek> I was trying to install with the live CD in cdrom. Should the iso be in the emu-iso directory on my home directory?
[18:24] <bluefox83> i have to use 32 bit gutsy cus the conexant drivers don't work for 64 bit :(
[18:24] <xjjk> which is a different problem then only giving the CPU time when there is enough work to do, i.e. for power saving
[18:25] <xtknight> xjjk, well i think regular one uses the new scheduler if that's what you mean.  but im not sure about all the preemption stuff
[18:25] <xjjk> xtknight: yeh, I don't care about the scheduler too much... I just want 5+ battery life
[18:25] <gregory> davek: please dont forget to message me alas gregory: blabla
[18:25] <brianski> w00t dynticks64++
[18:25] <jessica> how would i install a kernal patch
[18:25] <bluefox83> very carefully >.>
[18:26] <gregory> davek: if you want to use the real cd-rom, you dont need the iso-file
[18:26] <Raspberry> xjjk: although I came from a laptop that I was lucky to get 2hrs :)  So this 4+hr life is incredible
[18:26] <xtknight> xjjk, CONFIG_NO_HZ is enabled in 2.6.24-12-generic, amd64
[18:26] <xtknight> cat /boot/config-2.6.24-12-generic |grep CONFIG_NO
[18:26] <gregory> davek: suggestion: remove the real-cdrom and let qemulator use the iso-file. so the iso-file will be your cd-rom.
[18:26] <xjjk> xtknight: yes, I know... been saying that the entire conversation, it's why I'm hoping battery life under hardy will be better
[18:26] <xtknight> -rt is not tickless i was mistaken
[18:26] <xjjk> es
[18:26] <xjjk> yes*
[18:26] <davek> Where do I message you?
[18:27] <gregory> gregory: the iso file is named like hardy-beta-desktop-whatever.iso ?
[18:27] <xjjk> Raspberry: are you using GNOME or KDE?
[18:27] <Raspberry> xjjk: gnome atm
[18:27] <gregory> davek: the iso file is named like hardy-beta-desktop-whatever.iso ?
[18:27] <xjjk> hrm, OK
[18:27] <Raspberry> xjjk: I used to use KDE
[18:27] <xtknight> xjjk, well i thouht you were runnning hardy already
[18:27] <xjjk> I'm using KDE and I don't think KDE4 is very "power friendly"
[18:27] <xtknight> it's better or it's not better with tickless?
[18:27] <xjjk> xtknight: I was for 4 hrs
[18:27] <xjjk> and I hosed my system
[18:27] <gregory> !quote | davek
[18:27] <xjjk> so I didn't really get to test anything
[18:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quote - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:27] <xtknight> ah
[18:27] <xjjk> hosed it trying to test something else
[18:28] <xjjk> that may or may not have been broken in hardy (suspend/resume)
[18:28] <Raspberry> xjjk: I have kde4 installed my system -- but it doesn't understand how to put dual displays side by side... it lays them over the top of each other... it might actually be an X problem
[18:28] <xtknight> sounds like an Xorg problem
[18:28] <gregory> davek: when your message starts with gregory: my client gives me an visual aid, that i got messaged in the channel. keeps you visible within all the other talk going in
[18:28] <xjjk> I've not used dual displays with KDE4
[18:28] <xtknight> kde4 supports one background-per-display though
[18:28] <Raspberry> xjjk: X thinks my desktop is the size of my LVDS display and overlays the 1400x1050 display OVER the 1900x1200 display
[18:29] <mescon> Sorry, but I just upgraded to the Hardy Heron beta from 7.10... now the soundcard doesn't seem to be loaded -- an onboard Intel ICH7 controller, lshw -C sound gives me 828001G ICH7 HD Audio Controller (UNCLAIMED)... what module needs to be loaded for it to work?
[18:29] <davek> gregory: I got it.
[18:29] <xtknight> mescon, i dont know i just heard of that problem yesterday
[18:29] <Raspberry> I haven't figured out exactly how to file that bug, but I can't believe nobody else has it
[18:29] <xtknight> but with no fix
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> Raspberry: did you try using the xrandr configurator for kde4?
[18:29] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: maybe -- is that the one in the control panel?
[18:30] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: it doesn't do anything
[18:30] <xtknight> no paravirt in x64?
[18:30] <nosrednaekim> nothing?
[18:30] <xtknight> there's kvm tho
[18:31] <Raspberry> whoops
[18:31] <Raspberry> :)
[18:31] <Raspberry> I tried to flip to a new X session (F8) and the whole thing lockedup
[18:31] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: what were you saying about xrand config in KDE4?  I booted in to KDE4
[18:32] <nosrednaekim> Raspberry: that tool doesn't work?
[18:32] <Raspberry> krandrtray?
[18:33] <Raspberry> hmm krandrtray actually seemed to do "something"
[18:33] <Raspberry> now my displays are the same resolution :P
[18:33] <xtknight> hm what's krandrtray?  like gnome screens and graphics?
[18:33] <xjjk> tray applet for adjusting screen res/etc, yeh
[18:33] <Raspberry> something new ... all the apps keep changing in KDE4
[18:33] <mescon> Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01), should be supported by snd-hda-intel kernel module by default according to ALSA, but it doesnt seem to function properly (at least not in 2.6.24-12-386)
[18:34] <xjjk> it's also in KDE3 I believe
[18:34] <Raspberry> it adjusted my res the first time, but now it doesn't seem to change it
[18:34] <xtknight> hopefully it works better with proprietary drivers than the gnome screens&graphics
[18:34] <xtknight> mescon, "dmesg | grep -i codec"
[18:34] <xtknight> mescon, does this give you no codec found
[18:34] <Adys> any idea how to change the default icons for a specific mime type or extension?
[18:34] <davek> gregory: I copied the iso from the cdrom  to the desktop. But it beacame a  cdrom0 folder instead of the original hardy beta .iso.
[18:34] <xtknight> Raspberry, are you using "nvidia"?
[18:34] <Raspberry> hmm it won't let me make my VGA display any larger than my LVDS display
[18:34] <Raspberry> xtknight: no, intel
[18:34] <xtknight> ahh
[18:35] <gregory> davek: i have a problem: i cant support you with qemulator. on hardy it crashes. on gutsy it hangs.
[18:35] <Raspberry> xtknight: I posted my entire machine specs here earlier
[18:35] <clusty> you guys running electricsheep?
[18:35] <gregory> davek: do you still have the original iso available, which you downloaded?
[18:35] <clusty> any way to make gnome-ssaver able to rate sheeps?
[18:35] <Raspberry> xtknight: As A pastebin link ... i don't have it since I got booted
[18:35] <Raspberry> ok ... now my kde4 panel is gone :P
[18:35] <xtknight> hold on..kde4 is not in hardy by default is ti?
[18:35] <xtknight> it*
[18:36] <xtknight> or is it in repos
[18:36] <Turski> yeh
[18:36] <Raspberry> it's in there
[18:36] <Turski> in repos
[18:36] <xtknight> i did try kde4 on gutsy with dual displays
[18:36] <xtknight> and mine worked side by side.  so it must be an intel thing
[18:36] <Raspberry> xtknight: there have been ALOT of changes in Hardy
[18:36] <Raspberry> brb gotta restart again ... no panel
[18:36] <xtknight> Raspberry, but doesn't it do the same thing in gnome?  up and down besides left and right?
[18:37] <Raspberry> gnome doesn't work at all
[18:37] <Raspberry> it won't change my graphics
[18:37] <xtknight> oh great ;)
[18:37] <Raspberry> my laptop display is a waste of a backlight
[18:37] <brianski> is anyone else experiencing a lot of program crashes in hardy?
[18:37] <mescon> found the bug
[18:37] <davek> gregory: no it was deleted. if qemulator is crashing with hardy now, I'll just wait until the final version comes out. I guess I could try to install another distro just to see how qemulator works.
[18:37] <Raspberry> I'd rather just have it off while I'm using the big display
[18:37] <xtknight> mescon, oh yeah, what's the link?
[18:37] <Raspberry> or just keep email on it or something
[18:38] <xtknight> brianski, not too many
[18:38] <nosrednaekim> mescon: what is it?
[18:38] <xtknight> ive had one thing crash and it's cuz i was messing with compiz i assume
[18:38] <gregory> davek: i have qemulator working now. wow. missing dependencies, but in gutsy.
[18:38] <brianski> xtknight: yeah after a few updates and a reboot things seem better now
[18:38] <gregory> bug in gutsy
[18:38] <mescon> the default kernel is 2.6.24-12-386, the snd-hda-intel module is not compiled into the kernel, simply changing to the -generic version fixes it
[18:39] <Raspberry> well I Thought I was going to have to restart things -- but apparently not
[18:39] <mescon> gonna reboot and test it
[18:39] <xtknight> mescon, weird is there a bug filed
[18:39] <mescon> yeah, hold on
[18:39] <Raspberry> the kde4 control panel for display changes never had the OK button "unlock" -- so it's never clickable
[18:39] <gregory> davek: no i suggest sticking with it. well use the other option now: boot from physical cdrom.
[18:40] <brianski> only big problem i've seen except the sound control panel being copletely divorced from reality is that if you boot single user, remount / ro, fsck it, and reboot, it hangs (unless you remount rw again after fsck'ing, which is not necessarily a good ideea)
[18:40] <gregory> davek: this means: remove anything in your config, which points to the nonexistent iso-file
[18:40] <mescon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/200451a
[18:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200451 in ubuntu "[HARDY][REGRESSION] No Audio on Thinkpad (T61p) (dup-of: 200338)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released]
[18:40] <davek> so if I use the live cd rom in the /media/cdrom0 . What do I do?
[18:41] <mescon> seems like thats the problem I'm having (using an ASUS P5W DH Deluxe mainboard with the onboard audio)
[18:41] <mescon> not a laptop, but the same audio chipset
[18:41] <Raspberry> yeah something is really screwed up with this dual display stuff yet...
[18:41] <mescon> so it affects me too ;)
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> what package would the wireless driver iwl4965 be in?
[18:41] <mescon> reboot, brb
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> Raspberry: apparently, my freind doesn't even have that kernel module available
[18:42] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: I thought it'd be in kernel-modules or whatever ythat package is called
[18:42] <gregory> davek: main -> boot options: tick cdrom, ok?
[18:42] <nosrednaekim> sure its not in restricted or something?
[18:42] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: it's an opensource driver
[18:43] <nosrednaekim> hrm, ok
[18:43] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: apt-cache search iwl4965 doesn't even turn up anything
[18:43] <fw0127> anyone know why i cannot use system menus?
[18:43] <Raspberry> nosrednaekim: it's in restricted
[18:43] <Raspberry> bug #189666
[18:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189666 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "Intel iwl4965 microcode not included in rt restricted modules" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189666
[18:44] <xjjk> Raspberry: sorry, you're looking for the 4965 driver?
[18:44] <xjjk> it's in linux-ubuntu-modules
[18:44] <nosrednaekim> I am
[18:44] <xjjk> ah, OK
[18:44] <nosrednaekim> xjjk: ok
[18:44] <xjjk> it sometimes does not get installed
[18:44] <Raspberry> xjjk: i'm fine :)
[18:44] <Raspberry> xjjk: nosrednaekim needed to know
[18:45] <nosrednaekim> xjjk: apparently...
[18:45] <Raspberry> I'd like to register a bug against this display problem in hardy  / KDE4
[18:45] <davek> ok
[18:45] <Infecto> dpkg --force-all --purge nvidia-glx
[18:45] <Infecto> (Odczytywanie bazy danych ... 86927 plików i katalogów obecnie zainstalowanych.)
[18:45] <Infecto> Usuwanie nvidia-glx ...
[18:45] <Raspberry> it's just such a broad problem I hate to put it in the wrong spot
[18:45] <Infecto> dpkg-divert: b³±d sprawdzania `/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[18:45] <nosrednaekim> !info linux-image-generic
[18:45] <Infecto> dpkg: b³±d przetwarzania nvidia-glx (--purge): podproces post-removal script zwróci³ kod b³êdu 2
[18:45] <Infecto> Wyst±pi³y b³êdy podczas przetwarzania: nvidia-glx
[18:45] <Infecto> can some one help me resolve this proloblem?
[18:45] <ubotu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.12.13 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[18:46] <xjjk> just wondering, anyone have any experience using the encrypted disks? any lessons/stories?
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> !info linux-ubuntu-modules gutsy
[18:47] <ubotu> Package linux-ubuntu-modules does not exist in gutsy
[18:47] <chiwawa_42> Is NetworkManager 0.7 planned for integration in hardy instead of the current 0.6.6 ?
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> !info linux-ubuntu-modules hardy
[18:47] <ubotu> Package linux-ubuntu-modules does not exist in hardy
[18:47] <tnnc> yesterday someone told me to use mediubuntu to get libdvdcss2 and w32codces to be able to watch video i have try to add the links per the mediubuntu site for gutsy but it seems the video still doesnt work can someone tell me what i need to do thanks
[18:48] <xjjk> nosrednaekim: OK... it's named *something* like that...
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> xjjk: apparently linux-ubuntu-modules isn't a package
[18:48] <gregory> Infecto: we cannot read your language, which language is it?
[18:48] <xjjk> nosrednaekim: actually
[18:48] <xjjk> I think the bot is wrong..? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/main/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> xjjk: lol
[18:48] <Infecto> gregory: its polish but its ok i just get that i have 64 bit sys
[18:48] <Infecto> gregory: its polish but its ok i just get that i have 64 bit sysnot 32
[18:50] <gregory> Infecto: maybe you are missing a *32 package: you can search for it via apt-cache search Gl | grep 32
[18:50] <tnnc> i trying to get  video to work in 8.04 which i didnt say above
[18:51] <nosrednaekim> !info linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic
[18:51] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic (source: linux): Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-12.22 (hardy), package size 17935 kB, installed size 60376 kB
[18:51] <davek> gregory: have to run. thanks
[18:56] <VanDyke> hai pepol
[18:56] <VanDyke> :P
[18:56] <nosrednaekim> hey VanDyke
[18:56] <VanDyke> kde4 here
[18:57] <VanDyke> allllllsumm
[18:57] <burken> do i have to uninstall old nvidia drivers before upgrading?
[18:57] <Infecto> hmm
[18:57] <VanDyke> it will ask you to uninstall older drivers
[18:57] <burken> VanDyke: sybaptics?
[18:58] <burken> VanDyke: or apt
[18:58] <Infecto> now i guest thanks to my friend that i dont need to install 64bit arch to get hig mem avaible :) -server kernel have this posibility :)
[18:58] <VanDyke> burken, I'm talking about official NVIDIA drivers
[18:58] <burken> VanDyke: mhm..
[18:58] <VanDyke> that's PAE for you, Infecto
[18:59] <Infecto> VanDyke: yes, and PAE is in -server, so i dont need to recompile kernel yes? i or i think wong
[18:59] <VanDyke> true
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> PAE?
[19:00] <tnnc> yesterday someone told me to use mediubuntu to get libdvdcss2 and w32codces to be able to watch video i have try to add the links per the mediubuntu site for gutsy but it seems the video still doesnt work can someone tell me what i need to do thanks
[19:00] <tnnc> i trying to get  video to work in 8.04 which i didnt say above
[19:00] <zefyr> maybe you could save a feed locally leo
[19:00] <pagan0ne> ok, well ive given up on installing 8.04 in its presant state, on my hardware it seems more like a alpha release than a beta one....
[19:00] <devon> when i plug my laptop in everything freezes up in kubuntu, this didnt start happening till i updated today...any ideas?
[19:01] <zefyr> hmmm
[19:02] <VanDyke> pagan0ne, what happens?
[19:03] <pagan0ne> VanDyke the installer bombs on me, and grub fails to detect a hard disk after the installer finishes
[19:03] <VanDyke> the installer was bombing on me time after time
[19:03] <pagan0ne> VanDyke the installer gets to step 7, then i click install and it jumps to step 3
[19:03] <VanDyke> then I stopped using CDRW's
[19:03] <VanDyke> then it worked
[19:03] <pagan0ne> VanDyke i have cd-r's no rw's and sevral copies, none work
[19:04] <VanDyke> I'm using the alternate install image here
[19:04] <pagan0ne> VanDyke at first it hung while trying to set the system clock
[19:04] <VanDyke> are you using the default?
[19:04] <pagan0ne> VanDyke im using desktop w/ kde4
[19:04] <VanDyke> me too, but the alternate cd
[19:04] <VanDyke> because I installed on a softraid0 array
[19:05] <pagan0ne> VanDyke now whenever i get it all installed, and grub goes to install it cant find the harddrive
[19:05] <VanDyke> sata?
[19:05] <pagan0ne> yeah
[19:05] <pagan0ne> laptop
[19:05] <VanDyke> hmmm
[19:06] <VanDyke> dunno what to say
[19:06] <pagan0ne> VanDyke yeah imma give up for now
[19:06] <pagan0ne> i hope this is ironed out in the final release
[19:07] <cyclonut> so, am I safe in assuming that the latest round of updates do not introduce any major breakage?
[19:07] <pagan0ne> i mean i love alot of what was done in it, but if it wont install on my system i cant use it, and i HATE vista
[19:08] <VanDyke> pagan0ne, it's saddening to see you give up too soon :(
[19:08] <pagan0ne> VanDyke ill just wait for production release
[19:09] <VanDyke> which sata controller do you have? is it a Intel laptop?
[19:09] <gregory> pagan0ne: your laptops hardware is just "too new".
[19:09] <pagan0ne> VanDyke i mean this is a brand new laptop and wireless doesnt work on it under kubuntu w/o ndiswrapper
[19:09] <gregory> one is on the safe side after 1 year after laptop market release
[19:09] <cyclonut> pagan: what is wrong with ndiswrapper?
[19:09] <pagan0ne> yeah its a hp tx1320us
[19:09] <pagan0ne> cyclonut id just prefer native linux drivers
[19:10] <cyclonut> pagan0ne, are you on a broadcom card? or is the intel troubles that have been arising?
[19:10] <pagan0ne> cyclonut im pretty sure its broadcom
[19:10] <cyclonut> pagan0ne, in that case, you can kick and scream and wish and hope for native drivers, but you wont get var
[19:10] <cyclonut> far*
[19:11] <cyclonut> pagan0ne, broadcom will not release the necessary info for their chipset to produce native drivers.
[19:11] <pagan0ne> cyclonut i know that, but i mean im going through all these hoops just to get kubuntu installed so i can run an emulated driver... lol
[19:11] <pagan0ne> brb
[19:12] <cyclonut> pagan0ne, the emulated driver really doesnt make much of a difference... the only trouble I've had is not being able to use packet monitoring capabilities
[19:13] <cyclonut> i.e. no snort
[19:14] <cyclonut> best thing about hardy for me? Under full load, my laptop runs about 15-18 degrees cooler than it ever has under linux before
[19:14] <ali1235> maybe they fixed that ACPI bug where the fan doesn't run
[19:15] <cyclonut> the fan always ran for me, just always ran on low
[19:15] <cyclonut> and I think thats a possibility... which is why I am a little terrified to install the update to acpi that is sitting in my update manager right now
[19:16] <ali1235> i'm just bitter because i didn't read the release notes for 7.10 and now my laptop is toast
[19:16] <cyclonut> I can understand that-I did the upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 and trashed my lappy too
[19:16] <cyclonut> I spent yesterday reinstalling. Thank the good geek that I had full backups
[19:17] <ali1235> toast, as in totally dead, needs a new motherboard
[19:17] <cyclonut> oh dear
[19:17] <cyclonut> how the heck did such a thing happen?
[19:18] <psy> how do I upgrade Kubuntu 7.10 to Hardy?
[19:18] <cyclonut> update-manager -d
[19:18] <cyclonut> be careful
[19:18] <psy> update-manager: command not found
[19:19] <cyclonut> oh, err kubuntu
[19:19] <cyclonut> in that case, Im not sure. sorry.
[19:19] <VanDyke> okay how does one install plasmoids ?
[19:19] <xjjk> psy: kubuntu.org, first article
[19:19] <VanDyke> damn so many errors
[19:19] <xjjk> psy: if you're going to upgrade, please use the recommended way and report any problems
[19:20] <ali1235> well, it happened about a week after i upgraded it to 7.10. i left it running a compile overnight, and in the morning it was off. has not worked since, it does not post. then a few months later i noticed the second to last item on the release notes: "CPU fan no longer runs on Dell Latitude L400"
[19:21] <pagan0ne> cyclonut yeah thats why i dont like it i use snort alot @ work
[19:21] <cyclonut> ali1235, im sorry to hear that. no good at all!
[19:21] <cyclonut> pagan0ne, ah, yeah, well in that case, perhaps you should've investigated the card your lappy came with before purchasing
[19:22] <ali1235> i can't prove ubuntu killed it, after all it was 10 years old. i figure the heat stress was just the final straw...
[19:22] <cyclonut> pagan0ne, Im not sure how well they work, but could you use a USB wifi card?
[19:22] <cyclonut> ali1235, yeah, that 10 yr old thing couldnt have helped
[19:23] <pagan0ne> cyclonut i had planned on it, but like i was saying im gonna wait for 8.04 to stabilize a bit
[19:23] <psy> xjik: well for starters the command doesn't seem to work for me, I get "Unknown option '--dist-upgrade-devel'."
[19:23] <xjjk> psy: does adept work...
[19:23] <xjjk> psy: that option has been there since dapper or so
[19:23] <psy> xjik: oops, forgot the "
[19:24] <xjjk> heh
[19:24] <xjjk> psy: btw, make sure you disable any 3rd party repositories
[19:24] <bluebanana> re: boot loader: which device should i install boot loader: /dev/sda/ or /dev/sda1?
[19:24] <Seamus> Anyone get some networkmanager breakage lately?  It was using 100% CPU and when I rebooted it didn't want to start back up.
[19:24] <xjjk> and if possible, remove 3rd party packages... I had hiccups with some extra packages I had installed
[19:24] <xjjk> that had newer versions in hardy
[19:24] <bluebanana> i'm installing xubuntu beta 8.04 on a computer. the computer will have nothing else on it (no windows, no other linux)
[19:25] <Seamus> Where is the network manager init script?
[19:27] <psy> ok, here goes...
[19:27] <cyclonut> Seamus, that 100% thing with NM should be fixed
[19:27] <psy> lol, Adept crashed
[19:29] <Seamus> cyclonut: maybe, it actually seems like my notification area is to blame here.
[19:29] <Seamus> it's back and up and running and nm-applet is working.
[19:31] <VanDyke> adept is buggy
[19:31] <VanDyke> damn
[19:31] <VanDyke> synaptic is years ahead
[19:31] <tnnc> has anyone got 8.04 to play mov wmv files in 8.04
[19:31] <VanDyke> installing jre through adept was impossible
[19:31] <psy> yeah, I do miss synaptic
[19:31] <Heartsbane> any word when the Nvidia driver will be fixed? I understand the driver is not free and it might be Nvidia's fault
[19:31] <VanDyke> I installed synaptic here, but I find myself using command line apt much more
[19:32] <VanDyke> Heartsbane, I'm using NVIDIA official drivers here... no problems at all
[19:32] <Seamus> Anyone here tried doing an LTS upgrade of a dapper server yet?
[19:32] <Heartsbane> VanDyke: which card?
[19:33] <VanDyke> 8800GT
[19:33] <Heartsbane> VanDyke: are they ones from the repo? or from NVidia's site?
[19:33] <Loevborg> What do I add to /etc/apt/sources.list if I installed from a USB stick (not a CD) but I still want those software sources?
[19:34] <psy> Well, it's working now. It's going to take 6 hours to download so I'll let it go overnight.
[19:34] <Heartsbane> VanDyke: ah I am using a 5700Ultra on this machince
[19:34] <Seamus> I don't think the OSS drivers support much on the new nvidia cards.
[19:34] <Heartsbane> s/machince/machine/
[19:34] <Loevborg> I mean have an apt source from the USB stick.
[19:34] <VanDyke> Heartsbane, nv site
[19:34] <gregory> Seamus: try #ubuntu-server
[19:35] <Seamus> I'm running an NVS 570m on a thinkpad, the OSS drivers could suspend/resume without a problem but they were very slow
[19:35] <Heartsbane> VanDyke: ah thanx
[19:35] <Seamus> then I used the proprietary drivers.  Very fast, but no suspend.
[19:37] <VanDyke> damn
[19:37] <VanDyke> kde4 is so bloody slow
[19:38] <tnnc> has anyone got 8.04 to play mov wmv files in 8.04
[19:38] <xtknight> mov works on 64-bit 8.04 for me
[19:38] <rsk> ye
[19:38] <rsk> use mplayer
[19:39] <tnnc> rsk i try only audio no video
[19:39] <xtknight> maybe a video driver problem
[19:39] <lime4x4> anyone else having a problem with unable to capture usb port when trying to connnect to a usb camera?
[19:41] <tnnc> xtknight the video on the computer is fine just doesnt seem to play
[19:42] <Picklesworth> Hm... is there a such thing as a metacity theme that does away with the title bar properly?
[19:43] <Picklesworth> I realized that I strangely prefer it if I set the titlebar font to 0, which ultimately achieves the effect I want but can't possibly be "good"
[19:48] <Raspberry> so how do I use a gui tool in Hardy to setup my dual displays as anything BUT mirrored?
[19:49] <jc-denton> is mp3 support broken in hardy atm?
[19:49] <Tuv0k> lol
[19:50] <Tuv0k> !mp3
[19:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[19:51] <gregory> jc-denton: no, just tested
[19:52] <mohbana> can you install ubuntu from a image on a ext3/ntfs partition?
[19:52] <jc-denton> hrmm wtf
[19:52] <jc-denton> it worked
[19:52] <jc-denton> but now it does not anymore
[19:52] <jc-denton> which package contains mp3 support
[19:52] <jc-denton> it does not with banshee, mplayer and the gnome thing
[19:53] <jc-denton> ah
[19:53] <jc-denton> now i remember
[19:54] <jc-denton> i had to switch to oss in vlc for some reason
[19:54] <jc-denton> mp3 is not the problem
[19:54] <jc-denton> sorry
[19:54] <jc-denton> and i have vlc running which blocks the sound now i guess
[19:55] <ethana2> mohbana: yes
[19:55] <mohbana> ethana2, how?
[19:55] <ethana2> ...hmm
[19:56] <ethana2> I'm not sure exactly, but OEM's do that kind of thing all the time
[19:56] <vistakiller> WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia_new failed: modinfo: could not find module nvidia_new
[19:56] <vistakiller> WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia_legacy failed: modinfo: could not find module nvidia_legacy
[19:56] <vistakiller> WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia_new failed: modinfo: could not find module nvidia_new
[19:56] <ethana2> probably a modified grub...
[19:56] <vistakiller> i have this problem with the driver manager in hardy
[19:56] <ethana2> actually, mohbana
[19:57] <ethana2> i remember seeing a guide to do that somewhere
[19:57] <ethana2> ..but i don't remember where...  but it's out there
[19:58] <musikgoat> anyone seen an issue with the clock, when upgrading from gutsy amd64 to hardy?  where the clock locks up the gnome-panel?   I'm trying to get confirmation of a bug
[19:59] <Adys> Could someone help me troubleshoot something weird? I got a folder in my trash which I cant delete nor move, like if it was only modifiable by root, but in the permissions it says Im the owner
[20:00] <musikgoat> do you have the right to write, adys?
[20:00] <Adys> yep
[20:00] <musikgoat> hm, then i'm no help :-)
[20:00] <Adys> I tried accessing /home/adys/.Trash as su, but it doesnt show up in there
[20:04] <gregory> strange i cant open more then 3 gnometerminals
[20:06] <skeel> xtknight: I got it working now... the generic kernel dropped me to a shell saying it couldn't read the root file system first.. the UUID seemed to be wrong (same as the 386 kernel UUID, weeeeird).. got that working now, so now sound works fine
[20:06] <cyclonut> anyone else seeing memory leaks in hardy?
[20:07] <odla_> will i be able to track hardy final by installing the beta and running periodically sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:07] <odla_> or will i miss out on some packages?
[20:08] <musikgoat> odla_: you wont have to dist-upgrade
[20:09] <musikgoat> just upgrading will bring you to the same point as when final is released
[20:09] <jewbilee> hi, i just upgraded to HH and now im running in low graphics mode.  Whay do I do to fix this?
[20:09] <jewbilee> what*
[20:09] <musikgoat> once the repos are loaded with the same packages
[20:09] <odla_> musikgoat: really?  no need to run dist-upgrade at all?
[20:09] <musikgoat> once you
[20:10] <musikgoat> once you've done the dist-upgrade, you're in the hardy environment
[20:10] <musikgoat> whether its beta or final release
[20:10] <KalEl> firefox 3 beta seems to be buggier than hardy heron beta imho
[20:11] <odla_> beta 4 is out now
[20:11] <KalEl> yes that's what i'm running
[20:11] <jewbilee> How do I get out of low graphics mode?
[20:11] <odla_> oh i read firefox 3 beta to mean firefox 3 beta 3 ;D
[20:11] <odla_> oops
[20:11] <Adys> jewbilee: Whats your video card?
[20:12] <jewbilee> Geforce 8600m GT
[20:12] <Adys> did you sudo apt-get upgrade && update yet ?
[20:12] <Adys> update && upgrade even
[20:12] <jewbilee> no
[20:12] <Adys> do so, nvidia drivers are a pain sometimes
[20:12] <jewbilee> I literally just got done running the upgrade to Hardy
[20:13] <Raspberry> hmm
[20:13] <Adys> update upgrade and highlight me if you still have problems after that :)
[20:13] <jewbilee> ok
[20:13] <jewbilee> thanks
[20:13] <Raspberry> so should I upgrade from gutsy to hardy or is that just a complete mess?
[20:13] <Raspberry> :)
[20:13] <Adys> hardy is stable, ish
[20:14] <musikgoat> except for a few minor bugs, hardy is doing great
[20:14] <Raspberry> i'm saying via dist-upgrade
[20:14] <Adys> sound is still a bit messy
[20:14] <Raspberry> my g/f's machine is running Gutsy
[20:14] <musikgoat> dist-upgrade is a fine method
[20:14] <Adys> wine and pulse dont mess good right now
[20:14] <Raspberry> I thought about upgrading her box before she heads back to college tomorrow
[20:14] <jewbilee> Andy: i did sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:14] <jewbilee> Andy: now what
[20:14] <Raspberry> i'm already running hardy
[20:15] <musikgoat> Raspberry: as long as she doesn't mind getting alot of updates over the next 5 weeks, go ahead
[20:15] <Raspberry> everybody is saying that they can't boot after dist-upgrading
[20:15] <Raspberry> which is why I thought I'd ask
[20:15] <musikgoat> i was able to boot two machines fine, after dist-upgrade
[20:15] <Adys> jewbilee: It's Adys :P and try rebooting
[20:16] <musikgoat> my amd64, and my 386 lappy
[20:16] <Raspberry> is there a set of official instructions?
[20:16] <jewbilee> Adys: hehhe sorry, and thanks, I'll brb I i still have problems
[20:16] <musikgoat> raspbe
[20:16] <Raspberry> or is it just a find and replace in sources.list .. then an apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade then a reboot?
[20:17] <VanDyke> lol
[20:17] <Raspberry> i've never done a dist-upgrade
[20:17] <Raspberry> :)
[20:17] <VanDyke> back to XP
[20:17] <musikgoat> Raspberry: yes,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[20:17] <Raspberry> I've always just done a clean install
[20:17] <VanDyke> gotta download the gnome image now
[20:17] <VanDyke> because I'm sick already of KDE4
[20:17] <Infecto> o man :) i love this game :) i install linux-server
[20:17] <musikgoat> Raspberry: dist-upgrade modifies sources.list automagically now
[20:18] <Infecto> and on this kenrle which one contains xen support
[20:18] <Infecto> dont want to run nvidia binary driver
[20:18] <Infecto> becaus dont
[20:18] <Infecto> is there any solution for this?
[20:19] <Raspberry> Infecto: if you're trying to do xen stuff i'd recommend installing OpenSuSE
[20:20] <markelhas> hi ppl i've upgrade to 8.04 beta and now i've xorg using to much CPU. any tips?
[20:20] <Raspberry> seriously -- it's got everything tweaked perfectly for xen
[20:20] <Raspberry> markelhas: what version of hal are you running?
[20:20] <Raspberry> markelhas: the package version, i mean
[20:20] <markelhas> Raspberry, i don't now. how can i check it pleas?
[20:21] <Raspberry> through the package manager
[20:21] <jewbilee> Adys: I rebooted but its still in low graphics mode
[20:21] <Raspberry> or through the terminal
[20:21] <Adys> jewbilee: how many monitors are you trying to setup?
[20:21] <jewbilee> just 1
[20:21] <markelhas> Raspberry, where can i check the hal pack version?
[20:22] <Infecto> Raspberry: no, i just want to have 4g ram support on 32bit system
[20:22] <Adys> jewbilee: hmm, try apt-get install nvidia-xsettings
[20:22] <Adys> jewbilee:  nvidia-xconfig *
[20:24] <jewbilee> i think i fixed it
[20:24] <jewbilee> but was the upgrade supposed to remove all of my beryl settings?
[20:24] <jewbilee> and my avant-window-navigator settings
[20:24]  * Adys doesnt use beryl nor awn
[20:24] <markelhas> Raspberry, GNOME hal-device-manager 0.5.9.1
[20:24] <Adys> risks to take :)
[20:25] <jewbilee> hahah
[20:25] <jewbilee> well, i still have my launcher for AWN
[20:25] <jewbilee> but it doesnt work
[20:25] <Adys> Actually, I used AWN on hardy a few weeks ago
[20:25] <Adys> and it worked fine
[20:25] <Adys> try purge install it
[20:26] <markelhas> ppl can i restore my ubuntu version to 7.04?
[20:26] <sayers> Is kde4 going to become more stable through the updates, or will it not be updated untill 8.10 ?
[20:26] <jewbilee> Adys: what is a purge install?
[20:27] <Adys> apt-get remove --purge, apt-get install
[20:28] <markelhas> ppl can i restore my ubuntu version to 7.04?
[20:28] <jewbilee> actually, before I do that, in the "Screens and Graphics" menu, it says my driver is the Generic VESA one
[20:28] <jewbilee> which should I use since i have nvidia
[20:28] <Adys> oh yeah
[20:28] <Adys> you need to use the nvidia one
[20:28] <Adys> uhm
[20:28] <jewbilee> nv?
[20:29] <Adys> system -> administration -> hardware drivers
[20:29] <Adys> use the nv ones yes
[20:29] <jessica> i am considering restoring my system to 7.10 because i cant get my wireless or sound work would you advice it
[20:29] <VanDyke> jessica, reformat and reinstall
[20:29] <jessica> isnt there a way to downgrade
[20:30] <markelhas> jessica, how can i be done?
[20:30] <VanDyke> I doubt it
[20:30] <jessica> what
[20:30] <markelhas> jessica, how can it be done?
[20:30] <keturn> there's a mysterious ten-second pause during my boot sequence.  where do I report that sort of thing?
[20:30] <jessica> o i dont know
[20:30] <VanDyke> even if there was such a way, a lot of stuff would be broken
[20:30] <jessica> i was just wondering
[20:30] <Adys> keturn:  what sort of pause?
[20:31] <Adys> and when exactly :p
[20:31] <VanDyke> markelhas and jessica, just reformat
[20:31] <markelhas> VanDyke, !? don't want to do that dude
[20:31] <keturn> Adys: dmesg shows a ten second gap between "udev: renamed network interface waster0 to eth1" and "loop: module loaded"
[20:31] <DG19075> Got a ? for the trusted brains here. I'm running 8.04 Beta, and even a stab at editing X11.conf, ny login screen is still stuck on 1280x1024. What to do?
[20:31] <Raspberry> Infecto: you can't get 4gb of ram suppport on 32-bit system
[20:31] <Adys> hmm
[20:32] <VanDyke> Raspberry, PAE allows that
[20:32] <Raspberry> so... if I installed gutsy ubuntu, but then added the kubuntu packages... and now run kde -- should I do a kubuntu or a ubuntu dist-upgrade?
[20:32] <VanDyke> markelhas, well I guess you don't have one too many options
[20:32] <Adys> keturn: Not sure where to eport that kind of stuff either nope
[20:33] <jessica> by the time 8.4 is realsed and is stable will my wireless work
[20:33] <Adys> DG19075:  Tried dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[20:33] <markelhas> VanDyke, after the update to 8.04 beta my xorg is using to much CPU
[20:33] <VanDyke> jessica, which wireless card do you have
[20:33] <jessica> RTL8187B
[20:34] <jessica> its made by Realtek
[20:34] <VanDyke> I know, I have one too
[20:34] <jessica> please help me
[20:34] <jessica> i have tryed everything
[20:34] <VanDyke> haven't tried it with ubuntu 8.04 but with my slack install it works fine
[20:34] <jessica> it worked fine on gutsy
[20:34] <Raspberry> jessica: are you the jessica_lilly that's posted all over the forums asking for help ?
[20:34] <jessica> yes
[20:35] <jessica> im trying to get help and yes im looking at all my things ive posted on i need to find a answer to my wireless my sound and a few other things arnt working but i will fix them in my own time my wireless is very important
[20:36] <Raspberry> and did you see Brian1's response?
[20:36] <DG19075> Adys: Just tried that and all I get in terminal is a list of options, even with the space and double dash after dpkg...
[20:37] <Raspberry> jessica: and you're the same person that said your webcam didn't work in 7.10?
[20:37] <jessica> yes but ive fixed that
[20:37] <jessica> and its made by the same person so its bound to be me
[20:37] <Raspberry> you didn't post your fix in your question
[20:37] <Raspberry> if you have a problem register a bug
[20:37] <Raspberry> at launchpad.net
[20:38] <Adys> DG19075:  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[20:38] <jessica> i have yet my wireless is important i want it fixed very fast
[20:38] <Adys> jessica: Then why are you running hardy in the first place?
[20:38] <jessica> so im trying to use all my resoruses avalable to me to get it fixed asap
[20:38] <Raspberry> I agree with everybody else though ... reinstall from an ISO and see what happens
[20:39] <Raspberry> jessica: this is BETA... stuff might not be working
[20:39] <Adys> *shrugs*
[20:39] <xtknight> why wont my mplayer, vlc, or audacious output any sound, while totem works fine?
[20:39] <jessica> yes i realse that half my hardware isnt working but i like a challange just not with wireless
[20:39] <VanDyke> lol
[20:39] <VanDyke> ubuntu 8.04 supports even my external sound card out of the box
[20:39] <Raspberry> coming in here since last ngiht and repeatedly saying "it's broken" doesn't fix your problem... you know I've been asking you for almost 24 hrs what model and manufacturer your card was and the first time I actually saw you post that was 20 minutes ago
[20:40] <Adys> jessica: it's not about wanting your wireless to work, i'd want it to work too if I had the same problem. It's about expecting it fixed fast :p
[20:40] <VanDyke> jessica, www.realtek.com.tw download drivers and fix it
[20:40] <gaminggeek> hmm compiz isnt working in hardy for me
[20:41] <Adys> it'll be fixed "before release" if anything, in the meantime if you're not wiling to get away with hardware or software problems you shouldnt be running unstable
[20:41] <xtknight> oh i had to use -ao pulse
[20:41] <xtknight> why does hardy ues pulseaudio now?
[20:41] <VanDyke> and if half your  hardware doesn't work, then stick to windows please, especially if you can't even fix a wireless driver
[20:41] <xtknight> seems pointless
[20:41] <Raspberry> Adys: it'll be fixed before release... if we're lucky ;)
[20:41] <jessica> i need wireless my sound i can live with out, my cd drive not working right on hardy for some odd reason i can live with out my graphics having problems i can live with out but my wireless i need
[20:41] <Adys> hehe
[20:41] <jessica> and rasberry i have posted my details about my problem many times over the 24h period
[20:41] <Adys> jessica: Try downgrading to gutsy :)
[20:41] <DanaG> Hmm, something interesting:  I've now installed OS X on my laptop, and I get the exact same load-cycle issue there; thus, Ubuntu is not the only thing 'abusing' hard drives.
[20:42] <Adys> jessica: All we can do is help you troubleshoot your problem, we cant magically fix it
[20:42] <Raspberry> I'd just be great if you ask and then let us help ... treat us like equals ... not like we're some Dell tech support person .  I'm not getting paid $8/hr for you to scream at me :P
[20:42] <Raspberry> I understand it's frustrating
[20:43] <jessica> ok im sorry i am just getting worked up
[20:43] <odla> anyone else have fuzzy fonts in gnome-terminal?
[20:43] <Raspberry> but post your question and file a bug with launchpad and it'll get discussed and hopefully resolved
[20:43] <xtknight> am trying to find out why mplayer sounds better than totem also.  totem sounds like tin cans lol
[20:43] <jessica> to be honst everything is going wrong in my life and im just under a lot of stress ill try and carm down
[20:43] <xtknight> not that bad just a little worse to be honest :p
[20:43] <jessica> sorry for shuting at you
[20:43] <Raspberry> jessica: yup -- i know how that goes
[20:43] <Raspberry> jessica: so you're using ndiswrapper ?
[20:44] <Raspberry> jessica: there is a native linux driver for that card
[20:44] <Adys> odla: its fine here, tried rebuilding font cache?
[20:44] <Raspberry> jessica: have you seen this?
[20:44] <Raspberry> jessica: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=705490
[20:44] <jessica> ill take a look thanks
[20:44] <xtknight> my day sucked today as wel
[20:44] <xtknight> lol
[20:45] <Raspberry> heh
[20:45] <xtknight> funny hwo that works.  maybe it's because i tried hardy ;)
[20:45] <Raspberry> heh -- hardy always seems to break at the least opportune tines
[20:45] <Raspberry> times
[20:45] <xtknight> wel regressions really get to me
[20:45] <Raspberry> or maybe it's because I run the update-manager every 4 hrs :P
[20:45] <xtknight> my mplayer doesnt work anymore? wtf
[20:45] <xtknight> etc..
[20:46] <sharperguy> anyone know how to get jre plugin working in firefox 3?
[20:46] <gaminggeek> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[20:46] <gaminggeek> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
[20:46] <gaminggeek> why is it doing that??
[20:46] <xtknight> i mean i hope the final is better, ill do everything i can to ensure it is.  but still
[20:46] <VanDyke> it's actually amazing how many people upgrade to a beta distro over their production machines then complain that it's borked and they can't reformat
[20:46] <Raspberry> jessica: and there's this http://briancantin.blogspot.com/2007/11/hacking-rtl8187b-on-linux.html
[20:46] <xtknight> VanDyke, i havne't upgraded.  im on the livecd.  there's no way i'd commit this to disk as -is
[20:46] <xtknight> lol
[20:46] <VanDyke> gaminggeek, do you have composite enabled on xorg.conf ?
[20:46] <xtknight> im just a little concerned :)
[20:46] <Raspberry> jessica: and this: http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=707447
[20:47] <xtknight> that's all
[20:47] <VanDyke> xtknight, I am committing to disk, but since my main OS is XP I can reformat anytime I want
[20:47] <gaminggeek> VanDyke: I assume so its the default config for an nvidia card
[20:47] <VanDyke> hahah
[20:47] <xtknight> ahh
[20:47] <odla> Adys: looks like this here -> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=53995158647e5703d66674&p=screen
[20:47] <VanDyke> gaminggeek, nope
[20:47] <Raspberry> jessica: and these look to be good working drivers: http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/
[20:47] <gaminggeek> VanDyke: the metacity composite is working fine..
[20:47] <VanDyke> did you install emerald ?
[20:47] <Adys> odla: Looks fine here
[20:47] <Adys> you sure its not your screen?
[20:48] <gaminggeek> I dont want to install emerald I dont like it
[20:48] <jessica> the drivers at datanorth.net i used with gutsy but it wont work with hardy when i try and compile them i get errors
[20:48] <odla> Adys: nope ... i'm on live cd and debian looks fine
[20:48] <Adys> What's supposed to look wrong?
[20:48] <Raspberry> jessica: errors is a very vague term... care to elaborate?
[20:48] <VanDyke> gaminggeek, check your xorg.conf to see if you have " Composite "On""  there
[20:48] <odla> Adys: the fonts in the terminal are not very sharp
[20:49] <Adys> oh
[20:49] <odla> they are fuzzy
[20:49] <xtknight> odla, gome terminal?
[20:49] <odla> xtknight: yup gnome-terminal
[20:49] <jessica> er yes i can tell you the error i got
[20:49] <xtknight> odla,  try messing with system->preferences->appearnces->fonts but you may need to restart apps to see the effects
[20:49] <Raspberry> jessica: here's your problem... there are no drivers for your wireless card included with hardy
[20:49] <keturn> or, really, it might be cheaper to ask who *does* have working wireless, and pick up a new usb or pcmcia card.  if you don't want the latest super draft N wireless technology, new hardware might be cheaper than your time.
[20:49] <Adys> odla:  Edit --> Current profile, you can mess with colors here
[20:49] <odla>  xtknight: i've done that ... 96 dpi, lcd
[20:49] <jessica> can i compile some
[20:49] <Raspberry> jessica: "I can confirm this, regretfully the r818x modules are still missing from the kernel in Hardy Heron."
[20:50] <Adys> might help with the sharpness
[20:50] <xtknight> odla, have you tried different antialiasing methods
[20:50] <watchme> hi all....
[20:50] <Raspberry> jessica: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/78255/comments/70
[20:50] <xtknight> rendering->monochrome/etc
[20:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78255 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[2.6.20-12] rtl8180 gone missing." [High,Won't fix]
[20:50] <jessica> thanks ill have a look
[20:50] <rinaldi_> i finally got my wireless working in hardy!
[20:50] <gaminggeek> VanDyke: ah ok why isnt it in there by default?
[20:50] <odla> xtknight: where's that stuff?
[20:51] <jessica> can some one tell me what that website is for copying a big amount of code
[20:51] <xtknight> odla, in system->preferences->appearances->Fonts
[20:51] <VanDyke> gaminggeek, nope
[20:51] <nikrud> rinaldi_ likewise on wireless. Finally had to learn wpa_supplicant
[20:51] <xtknight> !paste
[20:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[20:51] <Raspberry> jessica: pastebin
[20:51] <Adys> fonts -> rendering -> Subpixel smoothing
[20:51] <watchme> does anyone can help me? Im getting the following error: after updating to hardy, I rebootet, and my PC keeps telling me, that I have misconfigured GDM, and he only has the / partition mounted with RO-option
[20:51] <Raspberry> here's my favorite ubuntu hardy bug title of the day... Bug #77161
[20:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 77161 in linux-source-2.6.20 "r818x driver doesn't work, makes kernel mad (dup-of: 78255)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77161
[20:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78255 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[2.6.20-12] rtl8180 gone missing." [High,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78255
[20:51] <watchme> Oh,btw Im on console... any helpful URL, in qry please :)
[20:51] <xtknight> lol
[20:52] <odla> yeah i checked that out ... the fonts in gnome-terminal seem to be unphased by any changes
[20:52] <VanDyke> LOL
[20:52] <xtknight> when the kernel's mad, stuff hits the fan :P
[20:52] <VanDyke> oh yeah
[20:52] <rinaldi_> nikrud: for some reason the upgrade broke ndiswrapper, and since i had nothing to save on my laptop i did a fresh install. it didn't work at first but i eventually got it working
[20:52] <Raspberry> apparently
[20:52] <gaminggeek> VanDyke: what do I need to put in here again?
[20:52] <jessica> thanks
[20:52] <VanDyke> composite on
[20:52] <VanDyke> do a quick google search for it
[20:53] <xtknight> i thiink he meant makes kernel loco
[20:53] <xtknight> or something
[20:53] <VanDyke> ALRIGHT PEOPL
[20:53] <nikrud> rinaldi_ my broadcom makes networkmanager choke. I'd always used it before, but finally had to learn something
[20:53] <VanDyke> I'm off to a reinstallation with gnome
[20:53] <Raspberry> although this one might beat it out... Bug #84229
[20:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84229 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[feisty] [amd64] a lot of programs get status D+ (dup-of: 78255)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84229
[20:53] <VanDyke> bbiab
[20:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78255 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[2.6.20-12] rtl8180 gone missing." [High,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78255
[20:53] <Raspberry> D+?!
[20:53] <watchme> no one?
[20:53] <xtknight> hahha
[20:53] <xtknight> D+ he means in the ps ax thing :O
[20:53] <xtknight> daemon i guess
[20:53] <Raspberry> I hope that's less abrietary than the grading scale my teachers used
[20:53] <rinaldi_> nikrud: i used wpa supplicant before but since gutsy i have found the network manager to work a lot better, along with nm applet
[20:54] <jessica> ok this is the error i get from trying to compile the driver http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60622/
[20:54] <xtknight> Raspberry, lol http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74040
[20:54] <ubotu> KDE bug 74040 in general "(KDE-Start beendet - >10* Bildschirmflackern)/(Kein reset vOn hOtkeys durch KDE-Menu-EditOr)" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme]
[20:54] <nikrud> rinaldi_ for me, networkmanager crashes hard in hardy. Worked at some point yesterday, but went back to the same behavior.
[20:54] <Raspberry> heh
[20:56] <odla> this bug looks like mine -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/63403
[20:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63403 in fontconfig "Semi-random ugly font rendering in Edgy (no font hinting)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:57] <Raspberry> jessica: try "  autogen Makefile.def  "
[20:57] <Raspberry> jessica: w/o the ""
[20:57] <jessica> ok
[20:57] <jessica> thanks
[20:57] <Raspberry> no idea if that'll fix it
[20:58] <jessica> fserr 2: cannot stat Makefile.def:  No such file or directory
[20:58] <jessica> thas what it said when i try autogen makefile.def
[20:58] <Raspberry> hmm is there a Makefile in there anywhere?
[20:59] <Raspberry> maybe without the .def
[20:59] <jessica> no i normaly use the ./makedrv
[20:59] <jessica> there is a makedrv file
[20:59] <Raspberry> can you pastebin the content of that file?
[21:00] <AlienX> does anyone know anything about envyng not working with a geforce 7900 GT in hardy?
[21:00] <Raspberry> jessica: do you have the restricted modules package installed?
[21:00] <Raspberry> somebody else was in here today with connectivity problems and it was because they didn't have that installed
[21:00] <jessica> i dont know i dont think so
[21:01] <Raspberry> jessica: install that before you keep struggling with this driver
[21:01] <Raspberry> also... read this:  Bug #173880
[21:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173880 in debian "rtl8187b error while compiling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173880
[21:02] <Raspberry> jessica: they're saying use the wrapper
[21:02] <jessica> how would i go about install the restricted modules
[21:02] <Raspberry> jessica: synaptec package mgr
[21:02] <jessica> thanks
[21:03] <Raspberry> jessica: read this... this *IS* your fix as far as I can tell... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaSatelliteL40-14N#head-d55a923f9323984bac07277ca136d2609ceb2ef4
[21:04] <Raspberry> jessica: starting at paragraph 4 seems to be just about a step by step install guide
[21:04] <jessica> thanks
[21:05] <jessica> sorry to ask that but im in synaptic package manager and i dont know what to install
[21:05] <Raspberry> jessica: ok if this fixes your problem... I want you to register a bug against hardy... do you part and report this problem and list this as your fix -- so that other people having this issue don't have to spent an hour trying to figure this out.
[21:06] <Raspberry> jessica: I'll help you, but alpha / beta testing doesn't seem to be for you
[21:06] <jessica> ok thanks
[21:06] <viator> hi upgraded to hardy and when i gotoo drivers and check the box for my broadcom card and then restart like it asks it is still unchecked when i go back
[21:07] <viator> how can i fix this
[21:07] <Raspberry> if you're going to do this fix as explained in the last link ... you don't need to use Synaptec .. you can just install "Windows Wireless Drivers" using Add / Remove Applications
[21:07] <jessica> ok thankz
[21:07] <jessica> *thanks
[21:07] <Raspberry> viator: what broadcom card is it?
[21:08] <viator> i forget its been a while let me go look
[21:08] <Pirate_Hunter> nice ppl very nice im installing hardy on vbox and i like the desktop look very jazzy not plain like the previous versions
[21:08] <Pirate_Hunter> i give thumbs up to the creators
[21:08] <viator> 4306
[21:08] <viator> bcm
[21:09] <viator> rev 3
[21:09] <Raspberry> viator: bug #188975
[21:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188975 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "Broadcom bcm4306 rev 3 chipset not working" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188975
[21:10] <viator> well isnt that neat :|
[21:10] <Raspberry> I thought we have a bot in here ... why am I googling launchpad bugs for everybody :P
[21:10] <nikrud> bug 188975
[21:10] <nikrud> !bug 188975
[21:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188975 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "Broadcom bcm4306 rev 3 chipset not working" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188975
[21:10] <viator> hope its not like the bug on my other laptop that was a regression starting with breezy  that hasnt been fixed
[21:11] <Raspberry> viator: so help them out... and post your dmesg and lspci -nn
[21:11] <nikrud> Raspberry probably because you know your wireless ;)
[21:11] <keturn> !bug 205259
[21:11] <keturn> I just filed that one.
[21:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205259 in network-manager "sigsegv with bcm4306" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205259
[21:11] <Raspberry> nikrud: heh ... I use the bot to post that info :P  But people just come in and say it doesn't work ... I type "hardy ubuntu <wireless card>" and presto ... there's the bug
[21:11] <nikrud> !google | Raspberry you got the fu
[21:11] <ubotu> Raspberry you got the fu: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[21:12] <Raspberry> keturn: so then you should mark 188975 as a duplicate of yours or visa versa... let's keep launchpad cleaned up here
[21:12] <Raspberry> the other day I must have spent 45 minutes marking bugs as duplicates of other bugs
[21:12] <nikrud> keturn is that a sigsev in network manager?
[21:13] <keturn> nikrud: yep
[21:13] <Raspberry> viator: http://p-s.co.nz/wordpress/?p=21
[21:13] <nikrud> I file so few bugs, they're nearly always there. At least all the ones I saw yesterday. Including that one with bcm4311
[21:13] <Raspberry> I've filed a few
[21:13] <Raspberry> most of mine aren't there because I've got new hardware :P
[21:14] <Raspberry> the really disappointing thing (that got me to use Hardy in the first place) is how gutsy is so unstable ... and how so many bugs on Gutsy were marked "fixed in hardy / won't fix" and then you go to hardy and they're not fixed.
[21:15] <Raspberry> so now I'm on a mission to get all these things fixed :P
[21:15] <Raspberry> like the depressing state of acpi and brightness controls on Thinkpads
[21:15] <derspankster> hope the bcm4318 isn't on a list somewhere
[21:15] <Raspberry> bug #198476
[21:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198476 in linux "[REGRESSION] Impossible to change LCD brightness on Thinkpad R61/T61/X61" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198476
[21:16] <nikrud> ohhhh, brightness is fixed on my gateway!!! Joy!
[21:16] <Raspberry> Thinkpad users have to change the acpi scripts because Ubuntu devs hacked the acpi thinkpad stuff and customized it
[21:17] <Raspberry> what's crazy is it WAS working :P  for a long time
[21:17] <jessica_> thankyou rasberry im not on wireless
[21:17] <jessica_> its sucsessfully working
[21:17] <Raspberry> jessica:  good!  that was a much easier fix, eh?
[21:17] <nikrud> I filed a fair number of bugs in the hoary breezy days, there weren't many users. Now there's a lot of clued in people and I'm always behind
[21:17] <jessica_> yes ill post up up now
[21:18] <nikos> hey there
[21:18] <Raspberry> jessica: yeah register the bug with the restricted driver on launchpad and make sure you track it so they can work with you to fix it -- it seems like a lot of laptops have that wireless card
[21:18] <nikos> has anyone got pulseaudio an surround working?
[21:18] <nikrud> only one I've found recently was apt-zip, and it's fixed upstream. Probably won't make hardy though
[21:18]  * J-_ hugs nikrud, s'ok. you don't have to do most of the work now. \o/
[21:19] <nikrud> J-_ I didn't then, either. I just pointed at work :)
[21:19] <nikos> I have a 7.1 sound card but I only see a 2 channel sink
[21:19] <J-_> =)
[21:19] <Pirate_Hunter> 77% for hardy to go cant wait to test it out even knowing im so late :D
[21:19] <Raspberry> I don't understand my girlfriend... she drinks a redbull and then takes a nap everyday :P
[21:20] <Pirate_Hunter> anyway is there anything in particular i should know about hardy?
[21:20] <Raspberry> Pirate_Hunter: it's buggy
[21:20] <Pirate_Hunter> Raspberry: shes got a twisted metabolism
[21:21] <jessica_> your girl friend is oviusly tolertent to caffeen
[21:21] <jessica_> it has no affect on her
[21:21] <Pirate_Hunter> Raspberry: yeah i worked that out since its still beta thats why i test it only in vbox before sending it to the hd but i feel sad for those that dont learn and just install it on the hd anyway
[21:22] <viator> yeah but it doesnt emul;ate your exact hardware
[21:22] <viator> sometimes all you can do is cross your finers
[21:22] <Raspberry> Pirate_Hunter: I have been running hardy since Alpha 2 -- no real major issues minus the libc6 issue a week ago and yesterday's hal [no wireless 100% cpu] issue yesterday
[21:22] <viator> fingers*
[21:24] <Pirate_Hunter> Raspberry: oh thats better than feisty nice very nice but i have to admit the desktop took me by suprise it was so jazzy way better than the previous version, they really put their heads together on this one
[21:25] <Pirate_Hunter> nikrud, J-_: its nice to see you guyz here without me having to be asking for help on something :D
[21:25] <Pirate_Hunter> nikrud, J-_: let me rephrase guyz/females
[21:26] <nikos> Pirate_Hunter:For the wireless problem you need to downgrade hal
[21:26] <nikrud> Pirate_Hunter I'm just waiting
[21:26] <nikos> or apply todays updates
[21:26] <foxiness> hi every time i run Language support i see this "Could not apply changes! - Fix broken packages first." ,i can not fix it from synaptic or aptitude install -f
[21:26] <slavik> I am trying to compile wine 58 for hardy(amd64) and it tells me that some libraries are missing.
[21:26] <slavik> I have the dev libraries installed and also I have ia32libs installed ...
[21:26] <Pirate_Hunter> nikrud: waiting for what? your install to complete?
[21:26] <nikrud> foxiness put   apt-get -f install  on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[21:26] <nikos> anyone got pulseaudio and surround sound working?
[21:26] <nikrud> Pirate_Hunter no, for yours, so I can help you ;-p
[21:27] <Pirate_Hunter> nikos: dont use wireless im old fashion will stick to wired connection
[21:27] <Pirate_Hunter> nikrud: :D
[21:28] <Pirate_Hunter> nikrud: you know on vbox can i install guest additions on hardy or does that only work for m$
[21:28] <Ramunas> hey folks
[21:29] <nikrud> Pirate_Hunter haven't tried vbox, I run vista in vmware for work (very rarely)
[21:29] <Ramunas> I just upgraded to hardy, everything seems to be fine except for compiz-fusion
[21:29] <Ramunas> it doesn't listen to my emerald settings, why is that?
[21:29] <slavik> Ramunas: install awn :)
[21:29] <slavik> Ramunas: is emerald set as the window decorator?
[21:30] <Ramunas> slavik: I did emerald --replace
[21:30] <Ramunas> so it seems to be
[21:30] <slavik> hmm ...
[21:30] <Ramunas> oh, a restart of emerald helpeds
[21:30] <slavik> is compiz running?
[21:30] <slavik> oh yeah, that happens sometimes
[21:31] <Ramunas> compiz-config-manager doesn't seem to do anything either?
[21:32] <Pirate_Hunter> nikrud: np i got vbox on both OS just incase i have to test beta version etc havent tried vmware, havent found the need to change yet
[21:33] <foxiness> nikrud: http://pastebin.ca/953198
[21:34] <slavik> I am trying to compile wine 58 for hardy(amd64) and it tells me that some libraries are missing. I have the dev libraries installed and also I have ia32libs installed ...
[21:34] <Pirate_Hunter> nikrud: install doen and i have just logged in and i still think the desktop is kl now i need to find out what it offers compared to gutsy
[21:34] <torpedo|dog> anybody know why there isn't a "leave message" button in my GNOME screensaver?
[21:34] <slavik> kl?
[21:35] <nikrud> foxiness then  try   apt-get install <the lanuguagepack you want> , paste that
[21:35] <nikrud> Ramunas you need to install compizconfig-settings-manager , then call it with   ccsm
[21:37] <Ramunas> nikrud, yes, I have that, and it doesn't seem to work, it worked just fine before the upgrade
[21:37] <nikrud> Ramunas does calling ccsm in a terminal give you any errors?
[21:37] <Ramunas> nope
[21:37] <BadRobot> anyone in here using Ubuntustudio beta?
[21:38] <nikrud> Ramunas no real clue then. Did you install anything today?
[21:38] <Ramunas> nope
[21:38] <foxiness> nikrud: i select my language and also English and it installed ,but my local language not work will
[21:40] <nikrud> foxiness hm. I speak english only, and have only played with language support. If you can get me some good messages about the broken packages, maybe I can help with that.
[21:40] <BadRobot> you can get other languages but you must set it when you install Ubuntu
[21:41] <foxiness> am upgrade from 7.10 to beta
[21:41] <nikrud> BadRobot you can add support as well, system->admin->language support. I added german as a lark in gutsy
[21:41] <BadRobot> i try to install Ubuntu in english then switch then locales to Finnish on my wife's laptop but it didn't work
[21:42] <nikrud> BadRobot did you try setting the language at the gdm login screen?
[21:42] <BadRobot> so it's easier to install in the language that you speak
[21:42] <BadRobot> no locales-fin and etc
[21:43] <nikrud> giving it a go again, see if I remember how to set up another language
[21:44] <foxiness> for me can not write on my language even when the my local language installed (this text suppose to be on local language coz am selected the local key)
[21:44] <Raspberry> this is kinda my issue... anybody else seen this?  Bug #27668
[21:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 27668 in system-tools-backends "Sharing folders doesnt set things up properly (dup-of: 14774)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27668
[21:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 14774 in gnome-system-tools "[shares-admin] Shared folders requires a login" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14774
[21:44] <Raspberry> whoops :P  I mean Bug #27667
[21:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 27667 in xresprobe "xresprobe drops highest available resolution on certain lcd's" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27667
[21:45] <EdwardXp3> i need some help trying to install new drivers or to detect new drivers on my system
[21:45] <EdwardXp3> the latest kernel i tried install didn't work
[21:45] <lupine_85> so, I'm totally on Lenny at the moment and needing an incentive to try out Hard Heron. suggestions?
[21:46] <BadRobot> nikrud which language are you trying to set?
[21:46] <EdwardXp3> i have to re-apply my wifi drivers or something,
[21:46] <BadRobot> Just try out Lupine_85
[21:47] <BadRobot> i was using Lenny too before and i run away from it
[21:47] <nikrud> BadRobot I have a totally unintellible finnish interface. I did  system->admin->language support, enabled finnish. Logged out and selected options->language on the gdm login screen.
[21:47] <nikrud> going back to english
[21:47] <lupine_85> OK... let me put it another way. Is it better than feisty? gutsy? both of those were terrible
[21:47] <BadRobot> as i said my wife is a Finn too,and i tried the same and didn't work
[21:48] <BadRobot> or you do a fresh install in Finnish or you just keep it in English
[21:48] <musikgoat> anyone seen an issue with the clock, when upgrading from gutsy amd64 to hardy?  where the clock locks up the gnome-panel?   I'm trying to get confirmation of a bug
[21:49] <BadRobot> otherwise it will be half Finnish and half English
[21:49] <nikrud> BadRobot I only read english myself. Have you tried the steps I suggested?
[21:49] <BadRobot> Yep,it better the all of them
[21:50] <BadRobot> I am using Ubuntustudio right now,the last one was a mess but Hardy it's amazing
[21:50] <EdwardXp3> whats the command to search for something specific using ls -l ?
[21:50] <EdwardXp3> ls -l  *alsa   ???
[21:51] <lupine_85> does the text-mode installer still croak when presented with an LVM2 setup?
[21:51] <BadRobot> Well,i have selected Finnish when i did the fresh install Nikrum,it was my easier for her like that
[21:51] <nikrud> EdwardXp3  ls -l fileglob , * for many chars, ? for one
[21:52] <BadRobot> *no sure lupine
[21:52] <nikrud> BadRobot yes, makes sense to install in the language you use mostly
[21:52] <nikrud> hm, rum. yo ho ho
[21:53] <BadRobot> I use English,but for her it's easier in Finnish ,first because she is more the a noob
[21:53] <KalEl> does hardy come with an rdp server as well as client?
[21:53] <BadRobot> or 2x noob with linux
[21:53] <EdwardXp3> like ls -l  al    i wanna retrieve everything that beings with al..
[21:53] <nikrud> EdwardXp3 ls -l al*
[21:53] <EdwardXp3> oo
[21:53] <gluer> can i enter chinese characters like windows does?
[21:54] <nikrud> EdwardXp3 and  ls -l [aA]l* finds everything that starts with an al or Al
[21:54] <EdwardXp3> thanksw
[21:54] <anakin_> Hello al, i am trying to install hardy, with apt-get upgrade after a fresh apt update. so far hitting the wall.
[21:54] <anakin_> do i need a different source.list file to upgrade?
[21:54] <nikrud> anakin_ are you on the desktop? I think that   sudo update-manager -d  is the preferred method
[21:55] <EdwardXp3> ALSA lib control.c:874:(snd_ctl_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so
[21:55] <EdwardXp3> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[21:55] <BadRobot> try psychocats.net/ubuntu
[21:55] <BadRobot> anakin
[21:55] <EdwardXp3> i get that error when i type in alsamixer :(
[21:55] <gluer> nikrud: is the -d for developer?
[21:55] <BadRobot> it's a good guise
[21:55] <BadRobot> guide
[21:55] <nikrud> gluer developer or development or something like that
[21:55] <gluer> nikrud: cheers
[21:55] <BadRobot> nikrud r u a Finn?
[21:56] <nikrud> BadRobot no, Los Angeleno
[21:57] <BadRobot> * you mean from LA
[21:57] <BadRobot> nikrud
[21:57] <BadRobot> ?
[21:57] <gluer> anyone have a .deb link for realplayer that works with hardy?
[21:57] <anakin_> nikrud, ok, thanks, let me try that
[21:58] <BadRobot> i have it in .deb
[21:58] <nikrud> amazing how many finns use linux :) http://counter.li.org/reports/arearank.php
[21:58] <BadRobot> but i could to send it to you
[21:58] <gluer> badrobot: does it work?
[21:58] <BadRobot> i haven't seen many Finns using linux
[21:59] <BadRobot> it's such hassle to any linux help in Finland
[21:59] <BadRobot> yep
[22:00] <BadRobot> i have extracted from wife's laptop ,she is still using linux mint
[22:00] <gluer> badrobot: can u send?
[22:00] <BadRobot> they have APTonCD ,so i copy all the important .deb file from there
[22:00] <jester7> does anyone have a fix for the low volume issue on hardy yet?
[22:01] <BadRobot> yep
[22:01] <BadRobot> how can send it?
[22:01] <gluer> badrobot: NFI
[22:01] <gluer> ;-)
[22:01] <BadRobot> i can try to upöpad it
[22:01] <BadRobot> upload
[22:04] <musikgoat> jester7: low volume issue?  do you have an intel_hda audio driver?
[22:05] <BadRobot> nikrud ,how old are those statistics?
[22:07] <nikrud> BadRobot I think they're regenerated at least once a week. At least it was several years ago. From the page, it looks like it's pretty regularly. Remember, it's based on voluntary registration there so it's only so so useful
[22:07] <BadRobot> i think in Brazil there are a lot of people using Linux,the government are switch to linux
[22:08] <BadRobot> now France also is switching everything from public sector to linux tii,not long it was the natinal police
[22:08] <K4k-laptop> I've installed w32codecs but I can't seem to play MP3s in Hardy yet, is there something I'm missing? I can't remember exactly all you need to play them
[22:08] <jester7> musikgoat: no, ATI
[22:08] <musikgoat> ati makes sound cards?
[22:09] <BadRobot> no you need gstreamer
[22:09] <K4k-laptop> which one?
[22:09] <musikgoat> jester7: did you try outputting lspci ?
[22:09] <jester7> musikgoat: yeah, thats where i see that it's ati
[22:09] <jester7> lspci
[22:09] <BadRobot> go to add/remove and search:mp3 then install the gstreamer ,ffmpeg
[22:10] <slavik> musikgoat: as part of their chipset, yes.
[22:10] <K4k-laptop> thanks BadRobot
[22:10] <BadRobot> nope
[22:10] <musikgoat> hmm, i didn't know they made audio chips,  but I cant help ya then... I know of a low sound fix for the intel audio driver
[22:10] <BadRobot> try ubuntu-restricted-codecs too
[22:10] <musikgoat> sorry jester7
[22:10] <jester7> slavik: right. Audio device:  ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia
[22:11] <BadRobot> it may be useful
[22:11] <jester7> musikgoat: is there a fix for the intel problem?
[22:12] <jester7> musikgoat: i have a feeling it's pulseaudio
[22:12] <BadRobot> VLC usually installs everything needed to play multimedia,K4k-laptop
[22:12] <K4k-laptop> BadRobot, I have installed all of the gstreamer stuff, but it still won't play in either banshee or rhythmbox
[22:12] <K4k-laptop> BadRobot, I want something to more then just play it, organize it too
[22:12] <BadRobot> try VLC and see
[22:12] <musikgoat> jester7: yeah, likely...
[22:12] <K4k-laptop> k
[22:12] <BadRobot> ah ok
[22:13] <BadRobot> well, i like amarok for that
[22:13] <BadRobot> i can't get my cd covers right with other media player,only with Amarok
[22:14] <BadRobot> Elisa also it's a nice media player
[22:14] <BadRobot> songbird too
[22:14] <gluer> whats a good gmail checker?
[22:14] <BadRobot> *Songbird it's cool,but it's a bit buggy @ moment
[22:15] <BadRobot> I use Thunderbird
[22:15] <Andre_Gondim> when I go to System --> Administration --> Channel sources is write 5.04 Hardy Heron, how may i fix this?
[22:15] <thompa> i still cant get usb devices to show up or mount anymore
[22:15] <BadRobot> it looks for emails every hour
[22:16] <BadRobot> but you can set for a often you need
[22:16] <Jean-Paul> Hello everyone
[22:16] <VanDyke> YAY
[22:16] <VanDyke> YAY
[22:16] <Jean-Paul> I have a quick question
[22:16] <VanDyke> gnome ftw
[22:16] <Jean-Paul> Hardy is set for release at the end of April
[22:16] <sercik> |kde4
[22:16] <VanDyke> 8.04 beta, everything working so far
[22:16] <sercik> !kde4
[22:16] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:17] <Jean-Paul> but firefox 3 final is going to be released in june. How does that fit in an LTS release?
[22:17] <sercik> help: i can't find a guide to install kde4 under hardy
[22:17] <BadRobot> ...ubotu bite his tongue
[22:17] <BadRobot> *bites
[22:17] <jimmygoon> I don't understand why firefox betas got in an LTS release either
[22:17] <Jean-Paul> don't misunderstand
[22:18] <Jean-Paul> anything is better than FF2.0.0.12
[22:18] <BadRobot> ... Ubotu you pervert keep you hands of the keyboard
[22:18] <Jean-Paul> it's very unstable here
[22:18] <BadRobot> yep,Epiphany Gecko 2.22
[22:18] <VanDyke> FF3 is very stable for me
[22:18] <Jean-Paul> heeps freezing on me all the time
[22:18] <Andre_Gondim> does anyone confirmir this problema in channel sources?
[22:18] <BadRobot> to me too
[22:18] <VanDyke> uses a frickin lot less memory than FF2
[22:19] <Jean-Paul> FF3 was stable in all the alpha's I tried (but that was Live only, I never installed those alphas)
[22:19] <Jean-Paul> @vanDyke: THAT I believe
[22:19] <VanDyke> heheh
[22:19] <thompa> lsusb has Bus 002 Device 005: ID 054c:0325 Sony Corp. but cant mount
[22:19] <Jean-Paul> but stability is worth more to me than mem usage
[22:19] <VanDyke> but seriously, no problems at all for me
[22:19] <sercik> excuse me! to install kde 4?
[22:19] <BadRobot> i use Midori Web Browser too,it's very fast and it use WebKit and very low memory
[22:19] <VanDyke> sercik, get kubuntu 8.04
[22:19] <VanDyke> anyway, gotta reboot
[22:19] <VanDyke> brb
[22:20] <Jean-Paul> but the solution is to use something that is officially in beta (maybe RC) stage?
[22:20] <sercik> kubuntu 8.04 is already out?
[22:20] <thompa> sercik: i actually prefer kubuntu 8.04
[22:20] <sercik> i have installed alpha 6 hardy
[22:20] <BadRobot> Get UbuntuStudio
[22:20] <Jean-Paul> @serick: no, it'll be released in April, hence the version number ;)
[22:21] <thompa> can anyone help with no usb devices plugged in showing up
[22:21] <Jean-Paul> Ubuntu Hardy and all of its derivatives are currently beta
[22:21] <Jean-Paul> @thompa: what kind of system are you using?
[22:22] <thompa> Jean-Paul: athlon x2 box, sata drive,
[22:22] <BadRobot> Jean_paul i think Hardy is very stable,i was testing Dreamlinx 3 RC3 and it buggy as hell
[22:22] <thompa> Jean-Paul: i had walkman and camera on an upgraded 64 to beta, now in beta 386 nothing
[22:23] <BadRobot> too buggy for a RC,i couldn't gdebi to work
[22:23] <thompa> Jean-Paul: ive tried mounting and computer shows an icon for usb when plugged in
[22:23] <Jean-Paul> what version of Hardy are you using? x86? x86_64?
[22:24] <BadRobot> i guess the problemit's the usb-stick
[22:24] <thompa> x86 on one partition 64 on other
[22:24] <Jean-Paul> @badReboot: I never doubted the stability of Hardy, but it is in beta for a reason :)
[22:24] <thompa> the 64 partition has usb
[22:25] <Jean-Paul> if you try mounting manually, does that work?
[22:25] <BadRobot> sorry,i mean probably the problem it's with the USB-stick,thompa
[22:25] <thompa> nope
[22:25] <thompa> Jean-Paul: im not sure what to mount actually
[22:25] <BadRobot> if it's that what you using
[22:25] <Jean-Paul> that's actually a very good idea: try another stick
[22:26] <BadRobot> i have to format an usb-stick that i couldn't mount 2x
[22:26] <BadRobot> format to FAT16/32
[22:26] <thompa> Jean-Paul: there is no device to mount but it shows up with lsusb
[22:26] <thompa> if i plug it in
[22:26] <watchme> does anyone can help me? Im getting the following error: after updating to hardy, I rebootet, and my PC keeps telling me, that I have misconfigured GDM, and he only has the / partition mounted with RO-option
[22:27] <thompa> Jean-Paul: i get a big usb icon that before said walkman
[22:27] <BadRobot> strange
[22:27] <Jean-Paul> but if the stick is not mounted automatically then you could try something like "mount /dev/sdb1 /media/mountpoint"
[22:28] <Jean-Paul> you may have to do the mount command prefixed with sudo
[22:29] <BadRobot> you can try CTRL+ALT+F2 then sudo dkpg reconfigure -a.watchme
[22:29] <thompa> Jean-Paul: i know but i cant figure out what to mount
[22:29] <thompa> 771 devices
[22:29] <BadRobot> but when you rebooy
[22:29] <BadRobot> reboot
[22:29] <thompa> Jean-Paul: nothing tells me its the walkman anymore
[22:29] <Jean-Paul> if you do "ls /dev/sdb*", what is the output?
[22:30] <Jean-Paul> or better yet, try  "ls /dev/sd*"
[22:30] <thompa> Jean-Paul: /dev/sdb  /dev/sdb1
[22:30] <thompa> i guess its one of those
[22:31] <Jean-Paul> sdb is the stick, sdb1 is the filesystem on that disk
[22:31] <thompa> /dev/sda  /dev/sda1  /dev/sda2  /dev/sda3  /dev/sdb  /dev/sdb1
[22:31] <Jean-Paul> erm, stick :p
[22:31] <Jean-Paul> /dev/sdb1 is definitely what you want to mount
[22:32] <thompa> Jean-Paul: mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[22:33] <Jean-Paul> you could try to add it
[22:33] <Jean-Paul> to the /etc/fsab
[22:33] <thompa> Jean-Paul: im going to have to add each device. before they were automounted and a window would pop up
[22:34] <thompa> i guess only the usb
[22:34] <thompa> Jean-Paul: thanks let me try it
[22:34] <Jean-Paul> be sure to make a backup of /etc/fstab before changing anything
[22:38] <thompa> Jean-Paul: what do you think i can out there for mount point /media/?
[22:39] <Jean-Paul> @thompa: you'll have to make a directory for it, if you want to call it "mountPoint" then do a "sudo mkdir /media/mountPoint"
[22:40] <thompa> Jean-Paul: i guess i could compare it to the fstab in the other partition
[22:40] <Jean-Paul> you could
[22:40] <thompa> Jean-Paul: thanks I will try later again. other folks seem to have this issue also
[22:40] <VanDyke> hohoho
[22:40] <VanDyke> this is amazing
[22:40] <Jean-Paul> but most likely it will just yield a name like disk
[22:40] <Jean-Paul> @vanDyke: what's so amazing?
[22:41] <Jean-Paul> curiosity killed the cat, and I'm a leopard :p
[22:41] <VanDyke> ubuntu 8.04
[22:41] <VanDyke> using on x64 now
[22:41] <VanDyke> gnome and stuff
[22:42] <VanDyke> awesome
[22:42] <Jean-Paul> better than the alphas?
[22:42] <VanDyke> yeah
[22:42] <VanDyke> last time I tried was alpha3
[22:42] <VanDyke> now this beta
[22:42] <Jean-Paul> hm, I'll have to try it myself then, I just dl'ed the x86 destop version
[22:42] <nomasteryoda> beta is good
[22:42] <Jean-Paul> does flash work reasonably?
[22:43] <nomasteryoda> working pretty sweet
[22:43] <nomasteryoda> haven't tried that in beta... was ok in alpha 4
[22:43] <Jean-Paul> because x86_64 has always been a pain in the butt when it comes to flash
[22:43] <thompa> Jean-Paul: im looking at the other fstab and the device is not in there
[22:43] <Jean-Paul> if it worked in the alphas I'm pretty sure it'll work in the beta
[22:44] <nomasteryoda> lm reboot into hardy
[22:44] <Jean-Paul> @thompa: then just make a mount point (sudo mkdir /media/mountPoint) and point to it in your fstab config file
[22:45] <sodoku> can anybody please post me a link to the channel log or help me with broken wifi?
[22:45] <thompa> Jean-Paul: i did that. im not sure what file system to use
[22:46] <Jean-Paul> @thompa: depends on your stick's fs. might be Fat16 or Fat32, or ntfs
[22:46] <VanDyke> ok send me a page to test flash
[22:46] <VanDyke> lol
[22:46] <Jean-Paul> or Ext3 if you formatted it to it
[22:46] <Jean-Paul> @van Dyke: youtube ;)
[22:47] <thompa> Jean-Paul: it worked hehe
[22:47] <Jean-Paul> go watch a golden oldie: http://youtube.com/watch?v=FYlKs7R1MFw
[22:47] <linux_loon> VanDyke, http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/
[22:47] <VanDyke> both work
[22:48] <VanDyke> youtube, adobe welcome, etc
[22:48] <Jean-Paul> @thompa: glad it worked, but unfortunately I think that still won't mean automounting, and unmounting will require root privs as well
[22:48] <VanDyke> heh
[22:48] <linux_loon> word
[22:48] <thompa> Jean-Paul: i just copied the stuff i had for the cdrom entry
[22:48] <VanDyke> nice
[22:48] <thompa> Jean-Paul: its a bug maybe
[22:48] <linux_loon> VanDyke, you have Shockwave player working?
[22:48] <linux_loon> Or both URLs worked.
[22:48] <VanDyke> both url's worked
[22:49] <Jean-Paul> @thompa: it might be, to be sure file a bug report at launchpad
[22:49] <linux_loon> Oh okay.
[22:49] <VanDyke> is there such a thing as shockwave for linu ?
[22:49] <VanDyke> linux ?
[22:49] <linux_loon> Not that I know of.
[22:49] <VanDyke> I also need to address my full RAM now
[22:49] <Jean-Paul> @vanDyke: does shockwave still exist?? :O
[22:49] <linux_loon> Unless you can use Wine or something.
[22:49] <alex_mayorga> !bc43
[22:49] <VanDyke> got 4Gb
[22:49] <thompa> Jean-Paul: the x64 is not doing that for some strange reason
[22:49] <rsk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[22:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bc43 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:50] <alex_mayorga> !b43
[22:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about b43 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:50] <BadRobot> Flash works very well in hardy,there are just some issues with java
[22:50] <BadRobot> but i did some work out with it
[22:51] <Jean-Paul> @badRobot: what kinds of issues? because 64bit Java problems could very well mean my being "stuck" with just 32bits
[22:51] <alex_mayorga> anyone that knows how to reset the wireless firmware using b43-fwcutter?
[22:51] <BadRobot> If you use Epiphany Gecko everythings works much better the FF3
[22:52] <Jean-Paul> @thompa: be glad x86-64 works correctly
[22:52] <igorgue> what does the latest gstreamer update fixed?
[22:52] <igorgue> I had problems with some audio
[22:52] <VanDyke> so what's the deal to make the system get the full 4Gb
[22:52] <BadRobot> somethings ff3 doesn't recognises that java is installed
[22:53] <BadRobot> and it keeps asking to install the java plugin
[22:53] <Jean-Paul> @vanDyke: on 64bit? should use the full 4Gigs automatically. on 32bits? you need an extention in the kernel
[22:53] <BadRobot> if it happens try = about:plugins and see the output
[22:54] <VanDyke> on 64bit
[22:54] <VanDyke> it still sees 3.2Gb only
[22:54] <VanDyke> doesn't do automatically
[22:54] <Jean-Paul> that's weird
[22:55] <Jean-Paul> maybe it still uses that address space for hardware devices
[22:55] <VanDyke> could be the video card
[22:55] <BadRobot> Shockwave Flash
[22:55] <BadRobot>     File name: libflashplayer.so
[22:55] <BadRobot>     Shockwave Flash 9.0 r115
[22:55] <Jean-Paul> why would it? do you have an Intel solution or something else which snoops off of your main mem?
[22:56] <VanDyke> nope
[22:56] <VanDyke> it's 8800GT
[22:56] <BadRobot> so shockwave is flash now
[22:56] <BadRobot> i think they are all the same
[22:56] <VanDyke> but I've read some garbage on pcie remapping and stuff
[22:56] <Jean-Paul> what kind of garbage? I'd like to read it
[22:57] <VanDyke> ah I did a google search and went opening pages
[22:58] <Jean-Paul> I'll try the same then
[22:59] <Jean-Paul> in any case, I'm beat. Have a nice morning, midday, afternoon, evening or night everybody!
[23:00] <VanDyke> haha
[23:00] <VanDyke> now the -rt kernel broke my audio
[23:08] <K4k-laptop> Hey, just wondering. I know that Flashplayer-nonfree is broken, but I just installed Gnash but it's not working either, is there some problem with that and hardy now too?
[23:10] <nikrud> K4k flashpluin-nonfree worked fine here
[23:10] <K4k-laptop> really?
[23:10] <rsk> here too
[23:11] <K4k-laptop> That's odd, I installed it and it didn't work
[23:11] <nikrud> yes. A fresh beta install this morning
[23:11] <K4k-laptop> lemme try again, maybe it's fixed now
[23:11] <K4k-laptop> I tried a few days ago and it wasn't working
[23:12] <nikrud> java too, after I linked the plugin into my local firefox config
[23:13] <Turski> my firefox isn't working
[23:14] <K4k-laptop> O HAPPY DAYS!
[23:14] <K4k-laptop> I was dying without my flashplayer
[23:16] <AlienX> anyone know if there is a way to use update-alternatives to change the default browser?
[23:18] <katsu_mooo> anyone have gnome-settings-manager issues after updating to all newest packages?
[23:18] <Turski> what's wrong with my firefox
[23:18] <katsu_mooo> i went straight from alpha 6 to beta
[23:19] <Jaymac> Turski, more information would be greatly appreciated
[23:19] <Turski> it stopped working after i tried to change nvidia drivers to ones from repos
[23:19] <Jaymac> Turski, by "stopped working" do you mean it won't open, won't display pages, or what?
[23:19] <Turski> it doesn't say anything if i run it from commandline
[23:19] <Turski> won't open
[23:19] <Jaymac> Turski, do you get an error message when you open firefox from a terminal?
[23:20] <Jaymac> ok
[23:20] <Turski> no
[23:20] <Jaymac> Turski, sorry, on a laggy connection
[23:20] <Turski> np :)
[23:20] <Jaymac> Turski, do other programs function as per usual?
[23:20] <Turski> yes, i think
[23:21] <rick_> I have a kernel problem with the liveCD, is this the right place to ask questions?
[23:21] <odla> so are you suppose to be able to upgrade from dapper to hardy?
[23:21] <Flannel> odla: you can, yes
[23:21] <Jaymac> rick_, if you're using Ubuntu 8.04 beta, yes
[23:21] <odla> Flannel: nifty
[23:21] <rick_> I am.
[23:21] <Turski> Jaymac: at least i haven't found any program that doesn't work
[23:21] <Jaymac> Turski, you upgraded to the proprietary nvidia drivers using the restricted-manager?
[23:22] <tritium> odla: you have to upgrade from one release to the next, in order
[23:22] <Jaymac> rick_, then ask your question
[23:22] <rick_> The kernel freezes while trying to unpack the initramfs.  I
[23:22] <Turski> not useing restricted managet but apt
[23:22] <odla> also is anyone else getting fuzzy fonts in gnome-terminal?
[23:22] <odla> in hardy
[23:22] <Turski> i used manually installed ones before that
[23:22] <rick_> I know exactly where in the kernel it fails, I'm just not sure why
[23:22] <teamcobra> I want one of these phenom machines for my personal desktop..... hardy is screaming ;)
[23:22] <Turski> and coz those drivers didn't work, i use manually installed ones now too
[23:23] <jimqode> hello. does anyone know which package includes the b43 wireless module? I lost it in an accident.
[23:23] <teamcobra> btw, I figured out my problem from last night re: alternate and server installs crashing @70%.... /boot needs to be on the first drive in the machine, cannot be on a raid disk
[23:23] <odla> jimqode: you probably mean b43-fwcutter?
[23:23] <teamcobra> jim: it should be the modules package for the kernel you are running
[23:24] <jimqode> odla, maybe it's in the same package but i mean the b43 kernel module
[23:24] <teamcobra> but you also need b43-fwcutter, like odla suggested
[23:24] <jimqode> odla, when i do modprobe b43 now it says module b43 not found
[23:24] <teamcobra> pretty sure the module itself is in the modules package for the kernel ver you have installed
[23:24] <odla> jimqode: oh you mean the actual module
[23:24] <odla> jimqode: maybe it's bcm43xx?
[23:25] <odla> or b43phy ... i think is what it might be called
[23:25] <jimqode> teamcobra, odla, i tries reinstalling linux-modules-generic package with no luck
[23:25] <jimqode> bcm43xx is old module i think
[23:25] <dandel> hmm... mind telling me what is wrong with fglrx considering i keep having it fail to load the kernel module.
[23:26] <teamcobra> dandel: whatś the dmesg output regarding that module after you load it w/ modprobe
[23:26] <odla> jimqode: it's not the old module .. it's for legacy b43 cards
[23:26] <dandel> it's short, i can paste it here.
[23:26] <nomentero>  for the java insue in firefox3 copy /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so in /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b4/plugins folder
[23:26] <dandel> [17884.489442] [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 929 MBytes.
[23:26] <dandel> [17884.489474] [fglrx] ASYNCIO init succeed!
[23:26] <dandel> [17884.489477] [fglrx:KCL_enable_pat] *ERROR* Pat entry 2 is already configured
[23:26] <dandel> [17884.489481] [fglrx] PAT is disabled!
[23:26] <dandel> [17884.491649] [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed
[23:27] <teamcobra> the legacy b43 module is b43legacy ;)
[23:27] <nikrud> jimqode  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) linux-image-$(uname -r) , that will ensure you get it
[23:27] <odla> well i'm running 2.6.24 on debian sid with the bcm43xx module for a legacy chip ;)
[23:28] <odla> jimqode: have you thought about ndiswrapper?
[23:28] <teamcobra> dandel: and this is the fglrx installed from ubuntu´s packages,  or is it the amd/ati installer
[23:28] <jimqode> nikrud it says they are already the newest version. should i remove purge first?
[23:28] <teamcobra> odla: NOOOOO
[23:28] <dandel> ubuntu packages.
[23:28] <nikrud> jimqode do --reinstall
[23:28] <teamcobra> dandel: 1 min
[23:28] <nikrud> jimqode sorry, should have put that in the line
[23:28] <odla> why no?
[23:28] <jimqode> odla, i tried ndiswrapper with no luck. actually i'd be glad if someone held my hand at that. my card is bcm4312 on a dell m1330
[23:29] <jimqode> everyone seems to be having difficulties with b43 driver, and they say ndiswrapper works fine
[23:29] <odla> jimqode: do you have the correct driver for that card?
[23:29] <jimqode> but i couldn't get the led to light up
[23:29] <jimqode> odla, i downloaded the windows xp 32-bit driver from dell website. my system is 64bit hardy.
[23:29] <nikrud> jimqode after you do that reinstall , do /usr/share/b43-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh  to ensure you have the firmware as well
[23:29] <teamcobra> hrmm, my keymap seems to be borked.... apostropheś don´t work right ;)
[23:30] <dandel> i'm purging the modules real quick and reinstallin em.
[23:30] <odla> jimqode: should that matter?
[23:30] <jimqode> nikrud, thank you. I got back the b43 module. thumbs up!
[23:30] <jimqode> odla, i have no idea. It just didn't light up my wifi led.
[23:30] <Raspberry> hmm I just did a dist-upgrade to hardy and now sound and wireless networking are broken :)
[23:31] <Raspberry> that shouldn't happen
[23:31] <nikrud> jimqode I hope networkmanger works with your broadcom chip, mine (4311) caused it to die
[23:31] <jimqode> nikrud, mine hangs too. also i have range problems
[23:31] <jimqode> nikrud, It only works when i'm really close to the router
[23:31] <Raspberry> I have serious range problems after the latest updates with my intel wireless card
[23:31] <nikrud> jimqode I ended up doing something I had put off for a long time, learning how to set up wpa_supplicant
[23:32] <teamcobra> nikrud: I had it working before I upgraded, and then it broke, Iĺl have to check for updates
[23:32] <odla> jimqode: i've always had excellent luck with ndiswrapper ... it's just making sure you have the correct driver
[23:32] <teamcobra> bcm4311 rev02
[23:32] <nikrud> rev 01 here
[23:32] <teamcobra> odla: ndiswrapper caused my machine to lock every 1-3 hrs depending on how heavy the network usage over wireless was
[23:32] <teamcobra> b43 is the way to go.
[23:33] <jimqode> do you guys use roaming mode?
[23:33] <jimqode> or the plain manual config?
[23:33] <odla> teamcobra: well i've always had the b43 module keep losing connection over and over again every 15 minutes and ndiswrapper works flawlessly here
[23:33] <nikrud> roaming (when it worked in gutsy)
[23:35] <jimqode> hmm i got the some strange behaviour now with b43. when i look at wifi-radar wireless network levels are switching from full (4/4) to none (0/4) randomly
[23:35] <jimqode> also i'm not seeing the closest router but some very far ones
[23:35] <teamcobra> odla: last night, when I updated, it broke b43, but I will test it in a bit......
[23:36] <jimqode> i think i'll try ndiswrapper again
[23:36] <dandel> teamcobra: i tried both, starting with the one from the modules, and it errors either way.
[23:36] <jimqode> which modules have to unloaded before loading ndiswrapper?
[23:36] <Raspberry> i'm a bit confused
[23:37] <Raspberry> why do I need to use ndiswrapper for hardy when the same hardware worked fine in gutsy
[23:37] <Raspberry> what the heck are they doing?
[23:37] <jimqode> mine doesn't even light up in gutsy
[23:37] <teamcobra> dandel: hrrm..... on this 780g (radeon 3200hd igp) alpha5´s fglrx didn´t work, but the newer package fixed it.... your issue seems a bit deeper than that though ;) whatś the model of your card?
[23:37] <teamcobra> and brb in about 1 min
[23:37] <teamcobra> I need to log out/log in
[23:38] <dandel> radeon x1900gt
[23:38] <dandel> it's strange... worked on fiesty with catalyst 8.3
[23:38] <dandel> i did a fresh reinstall to hardy to debunk it, so i expected somethin like this.
[23:38] <Raspberry> Intel ProWireless 2200BG should just work in Hardy
[23:38] <dandel> what's odd is i can't even get the kernel module to build from source
[23:39] <teamcobra> back
[23:39] <odla> Raspberry: it's still in beta ... so problems are expected to happen ... btw, you should open a bug report if something isn't working correctly
[23:39] <teamcobra> and I fixed my 's 's 's ;)
[23:39] <drbobb> hi, will upgrading to hardy beta break support for broadcom wireless?
[23:40] <teamcobra> ok, dandel, your graphics card model?
[23:40] <Raspberry> odla: thank you captain obvious
[23:40] <dandel> Powercolor Radeon X1900GT with 256mb of ram.
[23:40] <dandel> it's an r520 i think.
[23:40] <Raspberry> I asked more to see if anybody else has seen this issue
[23:40]  * odla puts Raspberry on ignore
[23:41] <nikrud> Raspberry hahhahahaha
[23:41] <teamcobra> and when you install using ati/amd's installer, there are no errors in /var/fglrx-installer.log (I believe that's it, not 100% sure)?
[23:42] <nikrud> teamcobra why did you use the site one, it's the same 8.3 driver in ubuntu ?
[23:42] <ethana2> yarr, still bugs in the intel graphics drivers
[23:42] <Raspberry> ethana2: much better than before though :)
[23:42] <ethana2> oh heck yes it is
[23:42] <teamcobra> nikrud: I didn't.... I had to before b1 because I have a brand-spanking am2+ server in front of me ;)
[23:42] <ethana2> in fact, nexuiz would /almost/ be playable
[23:43] <nikrud> teamcobra ah, I see.
[23:43] <teamcobra> he has a pretty wild dmesg dump when he tries to load the module though
[23:43] <teamcobra> so a log of an install helps ;)
[23:43] <ethana2> they'll keep pulling driver fixes for those drivers, right?
[23:43] <Raspberry> it's strange that the ipw2200 isn't loading
[23:43] <ethana2> after release?
[23:43] <Raspberry> if they don't I'll keep bothering them :P
[23:43] <nikrud> Raspberry welcome to my heck ;)
[23:43] <ethana2> :)
[23:44] <Raspberry> it's fairly new hardware... and laptop mfgs are still pushing out drivers -- so you know it's pretty unstable
[23:44]  * teamcobra crosses fingers that bcm4311 rev02 isn't b0rked on the laptop today ;)
[23:44] <Raspberry> so what was the change to hardy that's borked everybody's wireless?  ... I mean after the HAL issues
[23:45] <Ashex> has anyone else been having issues messaging aim user with kopete?
[23:45] <teamcobra> not sure, I updated last night :/
[23:45] <teamcobra> getting to the bottom of it though
[23:45] <Raspberry> ethana2: Lenovo is still pushing new video drivers for the X3100 to the windows platform... which typically never happens...   Every laptop I've owned they basically release a stable video driver and then never touch it again
[23:45] <Raspberry> it's like the modules aren't loading in the kernel
[23:45] <Raspberry> or they've gone missing
[23:46] <Raspberry> the ipw2200 isn't loaded on this laptop and it was working fine in gutsy prior to the dist-upgrade
[23:46] <dandel> teamcobra: i'm retrying the ati download... fresh copy 1 sec.
[23:46] <Raspberry> and restricted drivers are installed
[23:46] <nikrud> Raspberry someone earlier lost b43, a kernel reinstall fixed it . do a find, see if the module's still there.
[23:46] <teamcobra> dandel: cool ;)
[23:46] <drbobb> i'd risk struggling to unbreak wireless (i've always succeeded), if the upgrade unbreaks my wired ethernet sis900
[23:47] <teamcobra> I actually got a phy transmission error last night after the upgrade
[23:47] <jimqode> Raspberry, sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) linux-image-$(uname -r)
[23:47] <jimqode> Raspberry, that fixed my issue (thanks nikrud)
[23:47] <drbobb> (sis900 has been very flaky for me since gutsy)
[23:47] <teamcobra> which reminded me of the old bcm43xx drivers, as the 4311 rev02 wasn't supported until recently
[23:47] <Raspberry> rev 3 is broken
[23:48] <nikrud> 02's been supported since gutsy release, has Works for Me™
[23:49] <Raspberry> it's just annoying that a lot of the help requests of the last few days have been ... it worked in gutsy ... now it's broken
[23:49] <teamcobra> yeah, it was working _awesome_ until last night ;P I'll see what's up
[23:49] <Raspberry> I updated one of my gutsy boxes just to play with a dist-upgrade... and it core stuff... sound / wireless are borked
[23:49] <teamcobra> I was too tired to mess w/ it, was setting up this box w/ a 2tb raid5 ;)
[23:50] <Raspberry> and lshw shows the wireless and sound to be "UNCLAIMED"
[23:50] <drbobb> BCM4318 (rev 02) worked only w/ndiswrapper in gutsy, what's the status in hardy ?
[23:50] <Raspberry> drbobb: rev 3 only works with ndiswrapper @ this point
[23:50] <jimqode> lshw hangs on my dell m1330
[23:50] <dandel> teamcobra: no luck.
[23:50] <drbobb> Raspberry: but u r talking about bcm4318 correct?
[23:51] <Raspberry> drbobb: I'd have to dbl check
[23:51] <dandel> teamcobra: the installer installs, but when i do a build test of the kernel it keeps erroring saying no make file exists.
[23:52] <Raspberry> hmm ... it's strange this basic hardware is UNCLAIMED now... the 82801DB... AC'97 Audio Controller and the intel ipw2200BG wireless controller
[23:52] <jimqode> why does broadcom make these cards. they are just like winmodems
[23:52] <Raspberry> but on the live CD they're not unclaimed
[23:52] <jimqode> they need a firmware loaded into them every time
[23:52] <teamcobra> hrmmmmmm
[23:52] <teamcobra> jim: 'cause they're dirt cheap to make
[23:53] <Raspberry> nikrud: the ipw2200.ko looks to be there... /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
[23:54] <jimqode> but my laptop was not dirt cheap to buy
[23:54] <Raspberry> jimqode: marketing is expensive to get you to buy that crap :P
[23:54] <nikrud> Raspberry just a thought.
[23:54]  * jimqode is really angry about this wifi issue.
[23:54] <Raspberry> nikrud: i did a modinfo ipw220 an dit shows me the options
[23:54] <Raspberry> nikrud: I did a modprobe ipw2200 and nothin'
[23:55] <nikrud> jimqode a nice thing about loading firmware is you can get updated firmware. Hard to change a chip
[23:55] <jimqode> and I have to download a 54mb joint driver for ndiswrapper now.
[23:55] <dandel> i'll brb... later
[23:55] <nikrud> Raspberry depmod -a ?
[23:55] <jimqode> nikrud, what did a firmware update to a wireless card fix throughout the history? :)
[23:55] <alex_mayorga> anyone else experimenting FF3b4 crashes when using the new Yahoo! Mail??
[23:55] <nikrud> jimqode its the _principle_ ;P
[23:55] <teamcobra> jim: buffer overflows
[23:55] <thompa> my walkman and camera dont show up anymore, same on all 3 computers
[23:56] <teamcobra> that was a big problem across the board a couple years back
[23:56] <thompa> so usb is broke
[23:56] <Raspberry> yeah
[23:56] <Raspberry> I wonder if USB is broke
[23:56] <nikrud> Raspberry but I'm just throwing out generic things, nothing that is specifically related to your problem.
[23:56] <thompa> i can manually add it to fstab, then i need root to mount etc
[23:56] <jimqode> teamcobra, there were buffer overflows in wifi firmware?? Wow remote code execution through hardware.
[23:57] <Raspberry> nikrud: I appreciate it :)  an iwconfig doesn't show eth0 ... just lo and eth1
[23:57] <teamcobra> jim: yup, and in some cases, using ndiswrapper made you vulnerable in linux as well
[23:57] <Raspberry> since alot of these "Win" devices emulate USB
[23:57] <teamcobra> it was bad, and still is, since a lot of people never updated their drivers since they bought their laptop/wifi card
[23:57] <nikrud> usb stick came up here
[23:58] <teamcobra> so, lots of pwnage goes down at starbucks
[23:58] <jimqode> sigh. wireless on linux is still a pain in the neck
[23:58] <thompa> nikrud: can you open it?
[23:58] <Raspberry> jimqode: not for me with an intel card ... except now on a dist-upgrade :D
[23:58] <nikrud> thompa yes, it even offered to run some autorun stuff
[23:58] <thompa> i get usb icons is all with a bunch of ??
[23:59] <thompa> nikrud: are you running x64?
[23:59] <bardyr> hey
[23:59] <Raspberry> jimqode: have you checked /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
[23:59] <jimqode> does anyone know what bus the network card on m1330 uses? pciex or pci?
[23:59] <jimqode> Raspberry, no. what should i look for?
[23:59] <jimqode> i'm removing the modules by hand
[23:59] <nikrud> thompa no, 32bit.
[23:59] <Raspberry> drbobb: check /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist <-- the bcm43xx is blacklisted in there
[23:59] <bardyr> i just installed the beta today to get a fresher base and noticed that there where 426 updates :D
[23:59] <Raspberry> jimqode: your wireless driver