| kwwii | psyke83: yeah, please do | 00:06 |
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| psyke83 | kwwii, I don't have your email, so here it is: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/Human-Mod_v0.2.tar.gz | 00:07 |
| psyke83 | it's using the exact same highlight colour, it seems to be 100% identical | 00:07 |
| kwwii | I get a 404 error on that link | 00:08 |
| psyke83 | I just verified, it's working here... | 00:09 |
| kwwii | yeah, now it works, funky | 00:10 |
| kwwii | I'll test it out tomorrow, gotta sleep now | 00:11 |
| psyke83 | ok, see ya later | 00:11 |
| conn | hi kwwii, I sent a mail with another slight update for the themes, you may want to pass UbuntuStudio-Mod onto _MMA_ too | 15:49 |
| _MMA_ | ? | 15:49 |
| conn | _MMA_, I sent an update last night that fixes a lot of Color Picker inconsistencies, and today I made the menubar item appear as a button (only rounded on top), so you may want to check it out | 15:50 |
| _MMA_ | conn: Ahh... You have multiple nics. | 15:50 |
| conn | ah crap, sorry | 15:50 |
| conn | it doesn't save my nick in xchat | 15:50 |
| === conn is now known as psyke83 | ||
| psyke83 | my real name is Conn, heh | 15:50 |
| _MMA_ | I actually already did that. We need to fix how the radio and checkboxes appear gray. | 15:51 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I believe that I fixed that bug too, when sorting the Color Picker mess | 15:52 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Here's where I'm at now: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/UbuntuStudio-Mod.tar.gz | 15:52 |
| _MMA_ | Edit that, and send it on back. :) Please. | 15:52 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, is that based off v0.1 or the version I sent last night to Ken? Because I made a lot of changes | 15:52 |
| _MMA_ | Based off the one you sent. I made alot of changes as well. | 15:53 |
| _MMA_ | Most notably fixing how the panel image was tiling on some dialog boxes. | 15:54 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I also tightened up the menu and added a setting to make the icons *slightly* smaller. | 15:56 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, your modification appears to be based off v0.1, where a lot of colours were defined incorrectly | 15:57 |
| _MMA_ | _MMA_: There really are a bit of size issues with things. A/B'ing the one I 1st sent you with the new one will show you. I'd like to fix as much as possible. | 15:57 |
| psyke83 | I spent last night completely testing the Color Picker and fixed all those bugs | 15:57 |
| _MMA_ | Cool. Do what you have to. :) | 15:58 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, unfortunately I'll be busy for a few hours, but I will take a look later. If you're impatient, check my v0.3 that fixed many bugs, including the checkmark colour. There was a problem with GtkCombo menu and radiobuttons too, it's all fixed | 15:58 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.3.tar.gz | 15:59 |
| psyke83 | but I will take a look at your modifications later, so it's up to you if you want to wait for me to incorporate your changes | 15:59 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I can wait. I have quite a bit going on as well. (dealing with a newly wrecked car) | 15:59 |
| psyke83 | just bear in mind that many bugs were fixed, so some changes will be unnecessary | 15:59 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, alright then :) | 16:00 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I'd rather you apply the fix since you know what you're doing there. Then play with whatever else you can yo refine it. I'll take it after that. | 16:01 |
| _MMA_ | Remember to also add your name/addy to the gtkrc as credit. | 16:01 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, sure thing, I'll take a look tonight at your mod, and apply any changes I notice | 16:01 |
| psyke83 | ok | 16:01 |
| psyke83 | gotta run, will talk later | 16:02 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, I also recommend you use the latest version of Human-Murrine-Mod, I sent a mail to you again | 16:02 |
| psyke83 | (well, 10 mins ago) | 16:02 |
| psyke83 | bye | 16:02 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, working on the theme now | 20:27 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: cool | 20:33 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, is the Fast User Switch included by default in UbuntuStudio? | 20:36 |
| psyke83 | I'm sure you've noticed it's got a problem with gnome-panel's panelbg | 20:37 |
| _MMA_ | I cant remember TBH. | 20:37 |
| _MMA_ | It *might* be fixed with my new update. | 20:37 |
| psyke83 | it would be a good idea to check if any bugs are files, because it's quite ugly | 20:37 |
| psyke83 | *filed | 20:37 |
| psyke83 | right, hopefully | 20:37 |
| _MMA_ | Well if you can test it there that would be cool. If not, oh well. | 20:38 |
| _MMA_ | If I had your help a month ago, I would have cared more. I'm just kinda burnt ATM. | 20:38 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, not to worry, I'll file a bug (if it doesn't exist) | 20:40 |
| psyke83 | if you're not too knackered, I was hoping to ask you a few little questions about the UbuntuStudio mod; for example, the nautilus-extra-view-widget is using a lighter blue colour, should we not use the same "solid" blue color? | 20:41 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Please don't file a bug. I'd rather you just hit me up with a fix. ;) | 20:42 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, haha, I'm not a coder, but I'll take a look a little later. It's a problem with the program, not the theme (because all other applets have transparent background) | 20:43 |
| _MMA_ | The nautilus-extra-view-widget setting might just be there. If you can change it, get rid of it, whatever. I'm cool. | 20:43 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Ahh... Then file a bug there. Just not against the theme. :P | 20:45 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: If there were a way to actually get our text white, without breaking other things, I'd love that. | 20:51 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, what text, exactly? | 20:51 |
| psyke83 | the modification you had was a little incorrect, but my current version is a 100% representation of the colours in your original theme... although I think the text was a light grey | 20:53 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. | 20:53 |
| _MMA_ | Thats what I mean. | 20:53 |
| _MMA_ | The text isnt actually white. But I think if it is, it breaks things somewhere. | 20:54 |
| _MMA_ | I can't remember atm. | 20:54 |
| psyke83 | I just changed it to white and see no regressions anywhere; everything is consistent | 20:55 |
| psyke83 | white is actually better, because it offers better contrast for the nautilus-extra-view-widget (Trash) | 20:56 |
| _MMA_ | Try gnome-control-center | 20:56 |
| psyke83 | I don't see any inconsistencies | 20:56 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, the text values were messed up in your version, I'm almost finished my new version that fixes all that | 20:57 |
| psyke83 | it was already finished, I'm just changing the hilight ratio and some spacing to be consistent with the changes you made | 20:57 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. | 20:58 |
| _MMA_ | I'll take what you do and run it through a bunch of tests. | 20:58 |
| psyke83 | so do you want me to hardcode #000 as the text colour? | 20:58 |
| _MMA_ | Well, what will that break? | 20:58 |
| psyke83 | nope, but you can test it, as you said | 20:58 |
| psyke83 | gimme another minute | 20:59 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. Thanx for the work man. Wished you popped up a month or 2 ago. ;) | 20:59 |
| psyke83 | ah, do you really want black on dark gray for tooltips, or is that a mistake? | 20:59 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I was in Brazil for the last six months, teaching English ;) | 20:59 |
| psyke83 | I'm a bit less busy now that I'm home ;) | 20:59 |
| _MMA_ | Fun. | 21:00 |
| _MMA_ | No. I hate the tooltips. Thing is, the background effects the color there, as well as the color when you *cant* save something in gedit. | 21:00 |
| _MMA_ | ie: When you open something as a user that is owned by roo and it errors when you try to save. | 21:01 |
| _MMA_ | *root | 21:01 |
| psyke83 | let me check that | 21:01 |
| _MMA_ | The text color used is different for both places. | 21:01 |
| _MMA_ | A real pain. | 21:02 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, if we can expose the name of the widget, we can create a workaround in the theme file | 21:02 |
| psyke83 | we can make an exception just like the nautilus widget | 21:02 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. | 21:04 |
| psyke83 | do you know a fast way to find that, or do I need to get the source? | 21:06 |
| _MMA_ | I have *no* clue how to do that. | 21:09 |
| _MMA_ | Ive searched before, and am now, but without much luck. | 21:11 |
| psyke83 | I found the file in the source and it's referencing some GtkWidget stuff | 21:13 |
| _MMA_ | Cool. | 21:13 |
| _MMA_ | There was a app in windows that would do this for windows. I wish we had one for GTK. | 21:13 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I'll ask a guy that might know (MacSlow) on Monday. | 21:16 |
| _MMA_ | See if he knows a easy to figure this stuff out. | 21:16 |
| psyke83 | ok | 21:16 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, finished... let me give a quick test with the Color Picker and then I'll send it to you | 21:32 |
| _MMA_ | killer | 21:37 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.4.tar.gz | 21:48 |
| psyke83 | the nautilus widget and evolution entries look fine (usual problems for themes) | 21:49 |
| psyke83 | the gedit box still needs fixing, so I set the tooltips to white text on black | 21:49 |
| psyke83 | ah: your theme is different to others in that your checkmarks and radiobuttons do not prelight to a different colour - I left this behaviour in case that's the way you prefer it | 21:50 |
| _MMA_ | What else did you change? | 21:50 |
| _MMA_ | You are missing bits. | 21:51 |
| _MMA_ | Aww man... You didnt just edit mine. | 21:52 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. Fixed. Testing now. | 21:57 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: And you didn't keep my highlight ratios. | 21:58 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I thought I fixed the hilight ratios, sorry | 21:59 |
| _MMA_ | np | 21:59 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: It was just 1. I got it. | 22:02 |
| psyke83 | can you send back your modification so I can see what else I missed? | 22:02 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. I see another you missed. Lemmie get that 1st. | 22:03 |
| psyke83 | sure, take your time | 22:03 |
| _MMA_ | Why did you add all these "ubuntustudio" lines in here? | 22:04 |
| _MMA_ | Kinda a pain for people who want to derive from this. | 22:05 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I based a lot of the theme off clearlooks, and it was defined with "clearlooks-*" | 22:06 |
| psyke83 | sorry, but you can change it back to "theme" if you like, but "murrine" may be better | 22:07 |
| psyke83 | a quick find/replace will change it all, just change the first comment back to UbuntuStudio | 22:07 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Murrine might be best. You also lost the fix I had for removing the tiled panel images on some dialogs. | 22:07 |
| psyke83 | I didn't see that fix, I thought that I got everything | 22:08 |
| _MMA_ | Ill brb. | 22:08 |
| troy_s | psyke83: Any screenshots? | 22:11 |
| troy_s | psyke83: I'd love to check out your work. | 22:11 |
| psyke83 | troy_s, well, _MMA_ is going to make some more modifications, but it will look the same, I guess.. one sec | 22:12 |
| troy_s | psyke83: Haven't seen it. Drop something up on imagebin.ca if you have a second. | 22:12 |
| psyke83 | http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.4.png | 22:13 |
| troy_s | psyke83: What element did you change? | 22:13 |
| psyke83 | that's it, troy_s... the main differences are the ghosted buttons and that it's Color Picker compatible | 22:13 |
| psyke83 | otherwise it's almost the same as the original | 22:13 |
| troy_s | psyke83: Are you working on evolving any engines at the moment? | 22:14 |
| psyke83 | troy_s, I'm not sure what you mean... I'm not involved in coding the actual engines, just working on the theme files | 22:15 |
| troy_s | psyke83: Ah, I was mistaken. | 22:15 |
| psyke83 | troy_s, I also created Human-Murrine-Mod and Human-Mod (Human, but Color Picker compatible) | 22:15 |
| troy_s | psyke83: I thought you were twiddling on the internals. | 22:15 |
| psyke83 | nope | 22:15 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I didn't see any differences in dealing with the panels, I'd be interested to see your mod when it's finished | 22:16 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I found it. You didnt use my files as a base. Therefore you missed the changes to the panel.rc and metacity.xml. | 22:16 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, ah man, I didn't realize | 22:17 |
| _MMA_ | Just drop those 2 files in and re-apply the theme. You'll see. | 22:17 |
| psyke83 | copying everything but gtkrc should solve that, because the gtkrc includes everything (I just forgot some hilights) | 22:17 |
| psyke83 | will do | 22:17 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, so you're now using the glossy window border in blue, what else? | 22:21 |
| psyke83 | it seems the blue is different to the scrollbar | 22:21 |
| _MMA_ | No. Should still be black. | 22:21 |
| _MMA_ | 1 sec. | 22:21 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, no it's ok | 22:21 |
| psyke83 | I had to pkill metacity to force an update (happens with all themes sometimes) | 22:22 |
| psyke83 | it's black | 22:22 |
| psyke83 | hmm no, it's blue again | 22:22 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Please back up your current one. Apply a different theme and use this: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/UbuntuStudio-Mod.tar.gz | 22:24 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Ahh.. Damn. | 22:29 |
| psyke83 | what? | 22:29 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, the gtk-icon-sizes was moved to the top, it's double-listed | 22:29 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Thats why I didnt set the text color to white. Open up gconf an look at the color of the arrows. | 22:30 |
| _MMA_ | White on a white background. :( | 22:30 |
| _MMA_ | Ill remove the icon line here. | 22:30 |
| psyke83 | the prelight, you mean? | 22:30 |
| _MMA_ | I believe thats what you call it. | 22:31 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, there's an inconsistency in your theme that I kept in... | 22:31 |
| psyke83 | usually prelighted text is inverse, e.g. radiobuttons and checkmarks turn from white to black, but yours doesn't | 22:31 |
| psyke83 | if you prelight to black, it will fix that problem | 22:32 |
| psyke83 | my Human-Murrine-Mod theme already did that, but there was not such a great need with the colourscheme | 22:32 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. Just tell me what line to change. | 22:32 |
| psyke83 | one sec, let me check | 22:32 |
| _MMA_ | np. Take your time. Im running around anyway. | 22:34 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I'd like to set 'em to black. | 22:40 |
| _MMA_ | Then I'll test to see what it effects. | 22:40 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Also, the white text effects the calender applet. :( | 22:43 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I'm gonna try to find a solution, give me a while, though | 22:43 |
| psyke83 | worst case scenario, we go back to grey text | 22:44 |
| _MMA_ | np. just noting it. | 22:44 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. | 22:44 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, the problem is fg[NORMAL], we need to find out where to define an exception for the "expander" icons... do you know the proper name> | 22:51 |
| psyke83 | ? | 22:51 |
| _MMA_ | No... I have no clue what they're called. | 22:52 |
| _MMA_ | Lemmie dig. | 22:52 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I also gotta make the unfocused titlebar text another color other than white. I'd like it to go grey. | 22:53 |
| psyke83 | not a problem | 22:54 |
| psyke83 | it's the metacity section, probably text[INSENSITIVE], but I'll check | 22:54 |
| _MMA_ | Maybe Glade can tell me the widget name for the arrows. | 22:54 |
| psyke83 | hmm, is it GtkArrow? | 22:56 |
| _MMA_ | Maybe, but Im unsure. The description sounds off. | 22:57 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Maybe gtk.Expander or treeview? | 22:59 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, fixed, it was treeview | 23:00 |
| _MMA_ | k | 23:00 |
| _MMA_ | killer | 23:01 |
| psyke83 | let me fix this up and send back to you | 23:01 |
| _MMA_ | If you just worked on the gtkrc, just send that. | 23:01 |
| psyke83 | ok | 23:03 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I'll rename back to murrine-*, ok? | 23:07 |
| _MMA_ | I think that would be best. | 23:08 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, what's wrong with the world time applet? | 23:08 |
| _MMA_ | The nimbers for the month are white. | 23:09 |
| _MMA_ | *numbers | 23:09 |
| psyke83 | you want it inversed? it seems ok, though | 23:09 |
| _MMA_ | I think that's gonna be a hard one. | 23:10 |
| _MMA_ | ? | 23:10 |
| _MMA_ | Ill show a screen shot. | 23:10 |
| _MMA_ | 1 sec. | 23:10 |
| psyke83 | before we fix that, what colour should we prelight the treeview icons? Currently it prelights to white, almost invisible | 23:10 |
| psyke83 | ...although it's consistent with the checkmarks and radiobuttons, they stay white | 23:11 |
| _MMA_ | Use your judgment. | 23:11 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/Screenshot.png | 23:12 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, ah! there's a bug on your system, it's fine for me | 23:13 |
| _MMA_ | you on hardy? | 23:13 |
| psyke83 | yep | 23:13 |
| _MMA_ | 1 sec | 23:13 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. Sorry. That's a gutsy/hardy difference. Looks fine on the Hardy box. | 23:14 |
| psyke83 | it would be better to... ignore Gutsy ;) | 23:14 |
| _MMA_ | Well that's what I'm talking to you on. The other issues still show on Hardy. | 23:15 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, do you want to prelight radiobuttons and checkmarks to black, by the way? | 23:15 |
| _MMA_ | But yeah. I dont care how it looks on Gutsy. | 23:15 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I'd rather not, if we can get around it. | 23:16 |
| psyke83 | no problemo | 23:16 |
| psyke83 | so I'll continue to prelight the treeview to white to be consistent; I'll send the gtkrc now | 23:16 |
| _MMA_ | Prelighting them to black right? Instead of white? | 23:16 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. | 23:16 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, prelight means the mouseover effect | 23:16 |
| psyke83 | i.e. they are white, then turn black when moused over | 23:17 |
| _MMA_ | Ahh.... Gotcha. | 23:17 |
| psyke83 | it's up to you, it's good to show activity in my opinion, but there's already a background highlight effect | 23:17 |
| _MMA_ | I think the highlight on the button and box are enough. | 23:17 |
| psyke83 | ok | 23:17 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 23:18 |
| psyke83 | http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc | 23:20 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Do you know a way to make the scroolbars one color and the prelight/clicked-on another? | 23:20 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I don't think it's possible | 23:21 |
| psyke83 | well.. hmm, let me check | 23:21 |
| _MMA_ | Some think the blue is a bit much. Would be nice to do it for the prelight/clicked states. | 23:22 |
| psyke83 | so you'd like, e.g. a black scrollbar that turns blue? | 23:23 |
| psyke83 | (when clicked/highlighted) | 23:23 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. Probably a grey or something but yeah. | 23:25 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, it's not possible, anyway... and I have another suggestion: get rid of the #222222 definition, it will ruin the effect when using custom colours | 23:25 |
| psyke83 | just a min and I'll get a good shade definition for you | 23:25 |
| _MMA_ | I like how it darkens the background of the scrollbar. | 23:25 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, that's fine, but we can get the same effect by using e.g. shade (0.5, @bg_color), which will then adapt to colour changes | 23:26 |
| psyke83 | forget the value there, I need to test for the proper one | 23:26 |
| _MMA_ | Cool. Try it. | 23:26 |
| _MMA_ | The highlight color of the treeview arrows is white? They disappear on hover-over. Maybe use a gray or blue? | 23:28 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Oh wow. Another bug in gconf. To the right of the treeview, there's a column that says "Name". It's all gray 'till you hover-over. | 23:30 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, gimme a min, I'm a little busy | 23:31 |
| _MMA_ | np. Like I said. Just noting. I don't expect you to jump. ;) | 23:31 |
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| psyke83 | _MMA_, the treeview is much nicer now; a grey outline that prelights to solid black (including the inside) | 23:45 |
| psyke83 | I'm checking the problem with gconf, do you know the name of that area? | 23:46 |
| _MMA_ | Lemmie look again. | 23:47 |
| psyke83 | frame title, perhaps | 23:47 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: 2 other things to look at, AptOnCD and gnome-control-center. | 23:47 |
| * _MMA_ fired up Glade. | 23:48 | |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I think we're dealing with bugs in these applications, perhaps the dev thinking it's "more beautiful" to use a different coloured text than outlined in a HIG | 23:50 |
| _MMA_ | Oh, you're preaching to the choir there. Try tellin' that to people submitting bugs to our theme. | 23:51 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 23:51 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, the grey colour is hard-coded, it seems | 23:52 |
| psyke83 | in the case of aptoncd | 23:52 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. I've seen that on other themes as well. | 23:52 |
| _MMA_ | I should file a bug there. | 23:52 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I really appreciate hacking on this but I don't wanna kill your Saturday. We can do more tomorrow or later in the week. | 23:54 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I'm not doing anything tonight... I've a pretty uneventful life right now... my girlfriend is back in Brazil ;) | 23:54 |
| psyke83 | but if you're bored, I'm gonna continue work on it anyway | 23:55 |
| _MMA_ | Ahhh... Too bad. Where you at? | 23:55 |
| _MMA_ | I'm in the states. Raleigh, NC. | 23:55 |
| psyke83 | I'm in Dublin, Ireland right now | 23:56 |
| _MMA_ | Killer. Im coming there May. | 23:56 |
| psyke83 | nice :) | 23:57 |
| psyke83 | good it's not now, because the weather is very cold | 23:57 |
| psyke83 | I came from Sao Paulo with an average temp. of 25 degrees C, to Dublin, which is currently averaging at 1C most days | 23:57 |
| _MMA_ | haha. I miss the cold. I moved to the southern states and you really cant call it "winter". | 23:57 |
| _MMA_ | And I'm not bored. Just didn't want to pressure you. I'm just sitting here watching a movie with the kids atm. :P | 23:59 |
| psyke83 | ;) | 23:59 |
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