[00:06] psyke83: yeah, please do [00:07] kwwii, I don't have your email, so here it is: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/Human-Mod_v0.2.tar.gz [00:07] it's using the exact same highlight colour, it seems to be 100% identical [00:08] I get a 404 error on that link [00:09] I just verified, it's working here... [00:10] yeah, now it works, funky [00:11] I'll test it out tomorrow, gotta sleep now [00:11] ok, see ya later [15:49] hi kwwii, I sent a mail with another slight update for the themes, you may want to pass UbuntuStudio-Mod onto _MMA_ too [15:49] <_MMA_> ? [15:50] _MMA_, I sent an update last night that fixes a lot of Color Picker inconsistencies, and today I made the menubar item appear as a button (only rounded on top), so you may want to check it out [15:50] <_MMA_> conn: Ahh... You have multiple nics. [15:50] ah crap, sorry [15:50] it doesn't save my nick in xchat === conn is now known as psyke83 [15:50] my real name is Conn, heh [15:51] <_MMA_> I actually already did that. We need to fix how the radio and checkboxes appear gray. [15:52] _MMA_, I believe that I fixed that bug too, when sorting the Color Picker mess [15:52] <_MMA_> psyke83: Here's where I'm at now: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/UbuntuStudio-Mod.tar.gz [15:52] <_MMA_> Edit that, and send it on back. :) Please. [15:52] _MMA_, is that based off v0.1 or the version I sent last night to Ken? Because I made a lot of changes [15:53] <_MMA_> Based off the one you sent. I made alot of changes as well. [15:54] <_MMA_> Most notably fixing how the panel image was tiling on some dialog boxes. [15:56] <_MMA_> psyke83: I also tightened up the menu and added a setting to make the icons *slightly* smaller. [15:57] _MMA_, your modification appears to be based off v0.1, where a lot of colours were defined incorrectly [15:57] <_MMA_> _MMA_: There really are a bit of size issues with things. A/B'ing the one I 1st sent you with the new one will show you. I'd like to fix as much as possible. [15:57] I spent last night completely testing the Color Picker and fixed all those bugs [15:58] <_MMA_> Cool. Do what you have to. :) [15:58] _MMA_, unfortunately I'll be busy for a few hours, but I will take a look later. If you're impatient, check my v0.3 that fixed many bugs, including the checkmark colour. There was a problem with GtkCombo menu and radiobuttons too, it's all fixed [15:59] _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.3.tar.gz [15:59] but I will take a look at your modifications later, so it's up to you if you want to wait for me to incorporate your changes [15:59] <_MMA_> psyke83: I can wait. I have quite a bit going on as well. (dealing with a newly wrecked car) [15:59] just bear in mind that many bugs were fixed, so some changes will be unnecessary [16:00] _MMA_, alright then :) [16:01] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'd rather you apply the fix since you know what you're doing there. Then play with whatever else you can yo refine it. I'll take it after that. [16:01] <_MMA_> Remember to also add your name/addy to the gtkrc as credit. [16:01] _MMA_, sure thing, I'll take a look tonight at your mod, and apply any changes I notice [16:01] ok [16:02] gotta run, will talk later [16:02] kwwii, I also recommend you use the latest version of Human-Murrine-Mod, I sent a mail to you again [16:02] (well, 10 mins ago) [16:02] bye [20:27] _MMA_, working on the theme now [20:33] <_MMA_> psyke83: cool [20:36] _MMA_, is the Fast User Switch included by default in UbuntuStudio? [20:37] I'm sure you've noticed it's got a problem with gnome-panel's panelbg [20:37] <_MMA_> I cant remember TBH. [20:37] <_MMA_> It *might* be fixed with my new update. [20:37] it would be a good idea to check if any bugs are files, because it's quite ugly [20:37] *filed [20:37] right, hopefully [20:38] <_MMA_> Well if you can test it there that would be cool. If not, oh well. [20:38] <_MMA_> If I had your help a month ago, I would have cared more. I'm just kinda burnt ATM. [20:40] _MMA_, not to worry, I'll file a bug (if it doesn't exist) [20:41] if you're not too knackered, I was hoping to ask you a few little questions about the UbuntuStudio mod; for example, the nautilus-extra-view-widget is using a lighter blue colour, should we not use the same "solid" blue color? [20:42] <_MMA_> psyke83: Please don't file a bug. I'd rather you just hit me up with a fix. ;) [20:43] _MMA_, haha, I'm not a coder, but I'll take a look a little later. It's a problem with the program, not the theme (because all other applets have transparent background) [20:43] <_MMA_> The nautilus-extra-view-widget setting might just be there. If you can change it, get rid of it, whatever. I'm cool. [20:45] <_MMA_> psyke83: Ahh... Then file a bug there. Just not against the theme. :P [20:51] <_MMA_> psyke83: If there were a way to actually get our text white, without breaking other things, I'd love that. [20:51] _MMA_, what text, exactly? [20:53] the modification you had was a little incorrect, but my current version is a 100% representation of the colours in your original theme... although I think the text was a light grey [20:53] <_MMA_> Yeah. [20:53] <_MMA_> Thats what I mean. [20:54] <_MMA_> The text isnt actually white. But I think if it is, it breaks things somewhere. [20:54] <_MMA_> I can't remember atm. [20:55] I just changed it to white and see no regressions anywhere; everything is consistent [20:56] white is actually better, because it offers better contrast for the nautilus-extra-view-widget (Trash) [20:56] <_MMA_> Try gnome-control-center [20:56] I don't see any inconsistencies [20:57] _MMA_, the text values were messed up in your version, I'm almost finished my new version that fixes all that [20:57] it was already finished, I'm just changing the hilight ratio and some spacing to be consistent with the changes you made [20:58] <_MMA_> Sure. [20:58] <_MMA_> I'll take what you do and run it through a bunch of tests. [20:58] so do you want me to hardcode #000 as the text colour? [20:58] <_MMA_> Well, what will that break? [20:58] nope, but you can test it, as you said [20:59] gimme another minute [20:59] <_MMA_> Sure. Thanx for the work man. Wished you popped up a month or 2 ago. ;) [20:59] ah, do you really want black on dark gray for tooltips, or is that a mistake? [20:59] _MMA_, I was in Brazil for the last six months, teaching English ;) [20:59] I'm a bit less busy now that I'm home ;) [21:00] <_MMA_> Fun. [21:00] <_MMA_> No. I hate the tooltips. Thing is, the background effects the color there, as well as the color when you *cant* save something in gedit. [21:01] <_MMA_> ie: When you open something as a user that is owned by roo and it errors when you try to save. [21:01] <_MMA_> *root [21:01] let me check that [21:01] <_MMA_> The text color used is different for both places. [21:02] <_MMA_> A real pain. [21:02] _MMA_, if we can expose the name of the widget, we can create a workaround in the theme file [21:02] we can make an exception just like the nautilus widget [21:04] <_MMA_> Sure. [21:06] do you know a fast way to find that, or do I need to get the source? [21:09] <_MMA_> I have *no* clue how to do that. [21:11] <_MMA_> Ive searched before, and am now, but without much luck. [21:13] I found the file in the source and it's referencing some GtkWidget stuff [21:13] <_MMA_> Cool. [21:13] <_MMA_> There was a app in windows that would do this for windows. I wish we had one for GTK. [21:16] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'll ask a guy that might know (MacSlow) on Monday. [21:16] <_MMA_> See if he knows a easy to figure this stuff out. [21:16] ok [21:32] _MMA_, finished... let me give a quick test with the Color Picker and then I'll send it to you [21:37] <_MMA_> killer [21:48] _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.4.tar.gz [21:49] the nautilus widget and evolution entries look fine (usual problems for themes) [21:49] the gedit box still needs fixing, so I set the tooltips to white text on black [21:50] ah: your theme is different to others in that your checkmarks and radiobuttons do not prelight to a different colour - I left this behaviour in case that's the way you prefer it [21:50] <_MMA_> What else did you change? [21:51] <_MMA_> You are missing bits. [21:52] <_MMA_> Aww man... You didnt just edit mine. [21:57] <_MMA_> Ok. Fixed. Testing now. [21:58] <_MMA_> psyke83: And you didn't keep my highlight ratios. [21:59] _MMA_, I thought I fixed the hilight ratios, sorry [21:59] <_MMA_> np [22:02] <_MMA_> psyke83: It was just 1. I got it. [22:02] can you send back your modification so I can see what else I missed? [22:03] <_MMA_> Yeah. I see another you missed. Lemmie get that 1st. [22:03] sure, take your time [22:04] <_MMA_> Why did you add all these "ubuntustudio" lines in here? [22:05] <_MMA_> Kinda a pain for people who want to derive from this. [22:06] _MMA_, I based a lot of the theme off clearlooks, and it was defined with "clearlooks-*" [22:07] sorry, but you can change it back to "theme" if you like, but "murrine" may be better [22:07] a quick find/replace will change it all, just change the first comment back to UbuntuStudio [22:07] <_MMA_> psyke83: Murrine might be best. You also lost the fix I had for removing the tiled panel images on some dialogs. [22:08] I didn't see that fix, I thought that I got everything [22:08] <_MMA_> Ill brb. [22:11] psyke83: Any screenshots? [22:11] psyke83: I'd love to check out your work. [22:12] troy_s, well, _MMA_ is going to make some more modifications, but it will look the same, I guess.. one sec [22:12] psyke83: Haven't seen it. Drop something up on imagebin.ca if you have a second. [22:13] http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.4.png [22:13] psyke83: What element did you change? [22:13] that's it, troy_s... the main differences are the ghosted buttons and that it's Color Picker compatible [22:13] otherwise it's almost the same as the original [22:14] psyke83: Are you working on evolving any engines at the moment? [22:15] troy_s, I'm not sure what you mean... I'm not involved in coding the actual engines, just working on the theme files [22:15] psyke83: Ah, I was mistaken. [22:15] troy_s, I also created Human-Murrine-Mod and Human-Mod (Human, but Color Picker compatible) [22:15] psyke83: I thought you were twiddling on the internals. [22:15] nope [22:16] _MMA_, I didn't see any differences in dealing with the panels, I'd be interested to see your mod when it's finished [22:16] <_MMA_> psyke83: I found it. You didnt use my files as a base. Therefore you missed the changes to the panel.rc and metacity.xml. [22:17] _MMA_, ah man, I didn't realize [22:17] <_MMA_> Just drop those 2 files in and re-apply the theme. You'll see. [22:17] copying everything but gtkrc should solve that, because the gtkrc includes everything (I just forgot some hilights) [22:17] will do [22:21] _MMA_, so you're now using the glossy window border in blue, what else? [22:21] it seems the blue is different to the scrollbar [22:21] <_MMA_> No. Should still be black. [22:21] <_MMA_> 1 sec. [22:21] _MMA_, no it's ok [22:22] I had to pkill metacity to force an update (happens with all themes sometimes) [22:22] it's black [22:22] hmm no, it's blue again [22:24] <_MMA_> psyke83: Please back up your current one. Apply a different theme and use this: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/UbuntuStudio-Mod.tar.gz [22:29] <_MMA_> psyke83: Ahh.. Damn. [22:29] what? [22:29] _MMA_, the gtk-icon-sizes was moved to the top, it's double-listed [22:30] <_MMA_> psyke83: Thats why I didnt set the text color to white. Open up gconf an look at the color of the arrows. [22:30] <_MMA_> White on a white background. :( [22:30] <_MMA_> Ill remove the icon line here. [22:30] the prelight, you mean? [22:31] <_MMA_> I believe thats what you call it. [22:31] _MMA_, there's an inconsistency in your theme that I kept in... [22:31] usually prelighted text is inverse, e.g. radiobuttons and checkmarks turn from white to black, but yours doesn't [22:32] if you prelight to black, it will fix that problem [22:32] my Human-Murrine-Mod theme already did that, but there was not such a great need with the colourscheme [22:32] <_MMA_> Ok. Just tell me what line to change. [22:32] one sec, let me check [22:34] <_MMA_> np. Take your time. Im running around anyway. [22:40] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'd like to set 'em to black. [22:40] <_MMA_> Then I'll test to see what it effects. [22:43] <_MMA_> psyke83: Also, the white text effects the calender applet. :( [22:43] _MMA_, I'm gonna try to find a solution, give me a while, though [22:44] worst case scenario, we go back to grey text [22:44] <_MMA_> np. just noting it. [22:44] <_MMA_> Sure. [22:51] _MMA_, the problem is fg[NORMAL], we need to find out where to define an exception for the "expander" icons... do you know the proper name> [22:51] ? [22:52] <_MMA_> No... I have no clue what they're called. [22:52] <_MMA_> Lemmie dig. [22:53] <_MMA_> psyke83: I also gotta make the unfocused titlebar text another color other than white. I'd like it to go grey. [22:54] not a problem [22:54] it's the metacity section, probably text[INSENSITIVE], but I'll check [22:54] <_MMA_> Maybe Glade can tell me the widget name for the arrows. [22:56] hmm, is it GtkArrow? [22:57] <_MMA_> Maybe, but Im unsure. The description sounds off. [22:59] <_MMA_> psyke83: Maybe gtk.Expander or treeview? [23:00] _MMA_, fixed, it was treeview [23:00] <_MMA_> k [23:01] <_MMA_> killer [23:01] let me fix this up and send back to you [23:01] <_MMA_> If you just worked on the gtkrc, just send that. [23:03] ok [23:07] _MMA_, I'll rename back to murrine-*, ok? [23:08] <_MMA_> I think that would be best. [23:08] _MMA_, what's wrong with the world time applet? [23:09] <_MMA_> The nimbers for the month are white. [23:09] <_MMA_> *numbers [23:09] you want it inversed? it seems ok, though [23:10] <_MMA_> I think that's gonna be a hard one. [23:10] <_MMA_> ? [23:10] <_MMA_> Ill show a screen shot. [23:10] <_MMA_> 1 sec. [23:10] before we fix that, what colour should we prelight the treeview icons? Currently it prelights to white, almost invisible [23:11] ...although it's consistent with the checkmarks and radiobuttons, they stay white [23:11] <_MMA_> Use your judgment. [23:12] <_MMA_> psyke83: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/Screenshot.png [23:13] _MMA_, ah! there's a bug on your system, it's fine for me [23:13] <_MMA_> you on hardy? [23:13] yep [23:13] <_MMA_> 1 sec [23:14] <_MMA_> Ok. Sorry. That's a gutsy/hardy difference. Looks fine on the Hardy box. [23:14] it would be better to... ignore Gutsy ;) [23:15] <_MMA_> Well that's what I'm talking to you on. The other issues still show on Hardy. [23:15] _MMA_, do you want to prelight radiobuttons and checkmarks to black, by the way? [23:15] <_MMA_> But yeah. I dont care how it looks on Gutsy. [23:16] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'd rather not, if we can get around it. [23:16] no problemo [23:16] so I'll continue to prelight the treeview to white to be consistent; I'll send the gtkrc now [23:16] <_MMA_> Prelighting them to black right? Instead of white? [23:16] <_MMA_> Ok. [23:16] _MMA_, prelight means the mouseover effect [23:17] i.e. they are white, then turn black when moused over [23:17] <_MMA_> Ahh.... Gotcha. [23:17] it's up to you, it's good to show activity in my opinion, but there's already a background highlight effect [23:17] <_MMA_> I think the highlight on the button and box are enough. [23:17] ok [23:18] <_MMA_> :) [23:20] http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc [23:20] <_MMA_> psyke83: Do you know a way to make the scroolbars one color and the prelight/clicked-on another? [23:21] _MMA_, I don't think it's possible [23:21] well.. hmm, let me check [23:22] <_MMA_> Some think the blue is a bit much. Would be nice to do it for the prelight/clicked states. [23:23] so you'd like, e.g. a black scrollbar that turns blue? [23:23] (when clicked/highlighted) [23:25] <_MMA_> Sure. Probably a grey or something but yeah. [23:25] _MMA_, it's not possible, anyway... and I have another suggestion: get rid of the #222222 definition, it will ruin the effect when using custom colours [23:25] just a min and I'll get a good shade definition for you [23:25] <_MMA_> I like how it darkens the background of the scrollbar. [23:26] _MMA_, that's fine, but we can get the same effect by using e.g. shade (0.5, @bg_color), which will then adapt to colour changes [23:26] forget the value there, I need to test for the proper one [23:26] <_MMA_> Cool. Try it. [23:28] <_MMA_> The highlight color of the treeview arrows is white? They disappear on hover-over. Maybe use a gray or blue? [23:30] <_MMA_> psyke83: Oh wow. Another bug in gconf. To the right of the treeview, there's a column that says "Name". It's all gray 'till you hover-over. [23:31] _MMA_, gimme a min, I'm a little busy [23:31] <_MMA_> np. Like I said. Just noting. I don't expect you to jump. ;) === nothlit`1ore is now known as nothlit`core [23:45] _MMA_, the treeview is much nicer now; a grey outline that prelights to solid black (including the inside) [23:46] I'm checking the problem with gconf, do you know the name of that area? [23:47] <_MMA_> Lemmie look again. [23:47] frame title, perhaps [23:47] <_MMA_> psyke83: 2 other things to look at, AptOnCD and gnome-control-center. [23:48] * _MMA_ fired up Glade. [23:50] _MMA_, I think we're dealing with bugs in these applications, perhaps the dev thinking it's "more beautiful" to use a different coloured text than outlined in a HIG [23:51] <_MMA_> Oh, you're preaching to the choir there. Try tellin' that to people submitting bugs to our theme. [23:51] <_MMA_> :P [23:52] _MMA_, the grey colour is hard-coded, it seems [23:52] in the case of aptoncd [23:52] <_MMA_> Yeah. I've seen that on other themes as well. [23:52] <_MMA_> I should file a bug there. [23:54] <_MMA_> psyke83: I really appreciate hacking on this but I don't wanna kill your Saturday. We can do more tomorrow or later in the week. [23:54] _MMA_, I'm not doing anything tonight... I've a pretty uneventful life right now... my girlfriend is back in Brazil ;) [23:55] but if you're bored, I'm gonna continue work on it anyway [23:55] <_MMA_> Ahhh... Too bad. Where you at? [23:55] <_MMA_> I'm in the states. Raleigh, NC. [23:56] I'm in Dublin, Ireland right now [23:56] <_MMA_> Killer. Im coming there May. [23:57] nice :) [23:57] good it's not now, because the weather is very cold [23:57] I came from Sao Paulo with an average temp. of 25 degrees C, to Dublin, which is currently averaging at 1C most days [23:57] <_MMA_> haha. I miss the cold. I moved to the southern states and you really cant call it "winter". [23:59] <_MMA_> And I'm not bored. Just didn't want to pressure you. I'm just sitting here watching a movie with the kids atm. :P [23:59] ;)