[00:06] <kwwii> psyke83: yeah, please do
[00:07] <psyke83> kwwii, I don't have your email, so here it is: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/Human-Mod_v0.2.tar.gz
[00:07] <psyke83> it's using the exact same highlight colour, it seems to be 100% identical
[00:08] <kwwii> I get a 404 error on that link
[00:09] <psyke83> I just verified, it's working here...
[00:10] <kwwii> yeah, now it works, funky
[00:11] <kwwii> I'll test it out tomorrow, gotta sleep now
[00:11] <psyke83> ok, see ya later
[15:49] <conn> hi kwwii, I sent a mail with another slight update for the themes, you may want to pass UbuntuStudio-Mod onto _MMA_ too
[15:49] <_MMA_> ?
[15:50] <conn> _MMA_, I sent an update last night that fixes a lot of Color Picker inconsistencies, and today I made the menubar item appear as a button (only rounded on top), so you may want to check it out
[15:50] <_MMA_> conn: Ahh... You have multiple nics.
[15:50] <conn> ah crap, sorry
[15:50] <conn> it doesn't save my nick in xchat
[15:50] <psyke83> my real name is Conn, heh
[15:51] <_MMA_> I actually already did that. We need to fix how the radio and checkboxes appear gray.
[15:52] <psyke83> _MMA_, I believe that I fixed that bug too, when sorting the Color Picker mess
[15:52] <_MMA_> psyke83: Here's where I'm at now: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/UbuntuStudio-Mod.tar.gz
[15:52] <_MMA_> Edit that, and send it on back. :) Please.
[15:52] <psyke83> _MMA_, is that based off v0.1 or the version I sent last night to Ken? Because I made a lot of changes
[15:53] <_MMA_> Based off the one you sent. I made alot of changes as well.
[15:54] <_MMA_> Most notably fixing how the panel image was tiling on some dialog boxes.
[15:56] <_MMA_> psyke83: I also tightened up the menu and added a setting to make the icons *slightly* smaller.
[15:57] <psyke83> _MMA_, your modification appears to be based off v0.1, where a lot of colours were defined incorrectly
[15:57] <_MMA_> _MMA_: There really are a bit of size issues with things. A/B'ing the one I 1st sent you with the new one will show you. I'd like to fix as much as possible.
[15:57] <psyke83> I spent last night completely testing the Color Picker and fixed all those bugs
[15:58] <_MMA_> Cool. Do what you have to. :)
[15:58] <psyke83> _MMA_, unfortunately I'll be busy for a few hours, but I will take a look later. If you're impatient, check my v0.3 that fixed many bugs, including the checkmark colour. There was a problem with GtkCombo menu and radiobuttons too, it's all fixed
[15:59] <psyke83> _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.3.tar.gz
[15:59] <psyke83> but I will take a look at your modifications later, so it's up to you if you want to wait for me to incorporate your changes
[15:59] <_MMA_> psyke83: I can wait. I have quite a bit going on as well. (dealing with a newly wrecked car)
[15:59] <psyke83> just bear in mind that many bugs were fixed, so some changes will be unnecessary
[16:00] <psyke83> _MMA_, alright then :)
[16:01] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'd rather you apply the fix since you know what you're doing there. Then play with whatever else you can yo refine it. I'll take it after that.
[16:01] <_MMA_> Remember to also add your name/addy to the gtkrc as credit.
[16:01] <psyke83> _MMA_, sure thing, I'll take a look tonight at your mod, and apply any changes I notice
[16:01] <psyke83> ok
[16:02] <psyke83> gotta run, will talk later
[16:02] <psyke83> kwwii, I also recommend you use the latest version of Human-Murrine-Mod, I sent a mail to you again
[16:02] <psyke83> (well, 10 mins ago)
[16:02] <psyke83> bye
[20:27] <psyke83> _MMA_, working on the theme now
[20:33] <_MMA_> psyke83: cool
[20:36] <psyke83> _MMA_, is the Fast User Switch included by default in UbuntuStudio?
[20:37] <psyke83> I'm sure you've noticed it's got a problem with gnome-panel's panelbg
[20:37] <_MMA_> I cant remember TBH.
[20:37] <_MMA_> It *might* be fixed with my new update.
[20:37] <psyke83> it would be a good idea to check if any bugs are files, because it's quite ugly
[20:37] <psyke83> *filed
[20:37] <psyke83> right, hopefully
[20:38] <_MMA_> Well if you can test it there that would be cool. If not, oh well.
[20:38] <_MMA_> If I had your help a month ago, I would have cared more. I'm just kinda burnt ATM.
[20:40] <psyke83> _MMA_, not to worry, I'll file a bug (if it doesn't exist)
[20:41] <psyke83> if you're not too knackered, I was hoping to ask you a few little questions about the UbuntuStudio mod; for example, the nautilus-extra-view-widget is using a lighter blue colour, should we not use the same "solid" blue color?
[20:42] <_MMA_> psyke83: Please don't file a bug. I'd rather you just hit me up with a fix. ;)
[20:43] <psyke83> _MMA_, haha, I'm not a coder, but I'll take a look a little later. It's a problem with the program, not the theme (because all other applets have transparent background)
[20:43] <_MMA_> The nautilus-extra-view-widget setting might just be there. If you can change it, get rid of it, whatever. I'm cool.
[20:45] <_MMA_> psyke83: Ahh... Then file a bug there. Just not against the theme. :P
[20:51] <_MMA_> psyke83: If there were a way to actually get our text white, without breaking other things, I'd love that.
[20:51] <psyke83> _MMA_, what text, exactly?
[20:53] <psyke83> the modification you had was a little incorrect, but my current version is a 100% representation of the colours in your original theme... although I think the text was a light grey
[20:53] <_MMA_> Yeah.
[20:53] <_MMA_> Thats what I mean.
[20:54] <_MMA_> The text isnt actually white. But I think if it is, it breaks things somewhere.
[20:54] <_MMA_> I can't remember atm.
[20:55] <psyke83> I just changed it to white and see no regressions anywhere; everything is consistent
[20:56] <psyke83> white is actually better, because it offers better contrast for the nautilus-extra-view-widget (Trash)
[20:56] <_MMA_> Try gnome-control-center
[20:56] <psyke83> I don't see any inconsistencies
[20:57] <psyke83> _MMA_, the text values were messed up in your version, I'm almost finished my new version that fixes all that
[20:57] <psyke83> it was already finished, I'm just changing the hilight ratio and some spacing to be consistent with the changes you made
[20:58] <_MMA_> Sure.
[20:58] <_MMA_> I'll take what you do and run it through a bunch of tests.
[20:58] <psyke83> so do you want me to hardcode #000 as the text colour?
[20:58] <_MMA_> Well, what will that break?
[20:58] <psyke83> nope, but you can test it, as you said
[20:59] <psyke83> gimme another minute
[20:59] <_MMA_> Sure. Thanx for the work man. Wished you popped up a month or 2 ago. ;)
[20:59] <psyke83> ah, do you really want black on dark gray for tooltips, or is that a mistake?
[20:59] <psyke83> _MMA_, I was in Brazil for the last six months, teaching English ;)
[20:59] <psyke83> I'm a bit less busy now that I'm home ;)
[21:00] <_MMA_> Fun.
[21:00] <_MMA_> No. I hate the tooltips. Thing is, the background effects the color there, as well as the color when you *cant* save something in gedit.
[21:01] <_MMA_> ie: When you open something as a user that is owned by roo and it errors when you try to save.
[21:01] <_MMA_> *root
[21:01] <psyke83> let me check that
[21:01] <_MMA_> The text color used is different for both places.
[21:02] <_MMA_> A real pain.
[21:02] <psyke83> _MMA_, if we can expose the name of the widget, we can create a workaround in the theme file
[21:02] <psyke83> we can make an exception just like the nautilus widget
[21:04] <_MMA_> Sure.
[21:06] <psyke83> do you know a fast way to find that, or do I need to get the source?
[21:09] <_MMA_> I have *no* clue how to do that.
[21:11] <_MMA_> Ive searched before, and am now, but without much luck.
[21:13] <psyke83> I found the file in the source and it's referencing some GtkWidget stuff
[21:13] <_MMA_> Cool.
[21:13] <_MMA_> There was a app in windows that would do this for windows. I wish we had one for GTK.
[21:16] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'll ask a guy that might know (MacSlow) on Monday.
[21:16] <_MMA_> See if he knows a easy to figure this stuff out.
[21:16] <psyke83> ok
[21:32] <psyke83> _MMA_, finished... let me give a quick test with the Color Picker and then I'll send it to you
[21:37] <_MMA_> killer
[21:48] <psyke83> _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.4.tar.gz
[21:49] <psyke83> the nautilus widget and evolution entries look fine (usual problems for themes)
[21:49] <psyke83> the gedit box still needs fixing, so I set the tooltips to white text on black
[21:50] <psyke83> ah: your theme is different to others in that your checkmarks and radiobuttons do not prelight to a different colour - I left this behaviour in case that's the way you prefer it
[21:50] <_MMA_> What else did you change?
[21:51] <_MMA_> You are missing bits.
[21:52] <_MMA_> Aww man... You didnt just edit mine.
[21:57] <_MMA_> Ok. Fixed. Testing now.
[21:58] <_MMA_> psyke83: And you didn't keep my highlight ratios.
[21:59] <psyke83> _MMA_, I thought I fixed the hilight ratios, sorry
[21:59] <_MMA_> np
[22:02] <_MMA_> psyke83: It was just 1. I got it.
[22:02] <psyke83> can you send back your modification so I can see what else I missed?
[22:03] <_MMA_> Yeah. I see another you missed. Lemmie get that 1st.
[22:03] <psyke83> sure, take your time
[22:04] <_MMA_> Why did you add all these "ubuntustudio" lines in here?
[22:05] <_MMA_> Kinda a pain for people who want to derive from this.
[22:06] <psyke83> _MMA_, I based a lot of the theme off clearlooks, and it was defined with "clearlooks-*"
[22:07] <psyke83> sorry, but you can change it back to "theme" if you like, but "murrine" may be better
[22:07] <psyke83> a quick find/replace will change it all, just change the first comment back to UbuntuStudio
[22:07] <_MMA_> psyke83: Murrine might be best. You also lost the fix I had for removing the tiled panel images on some dialogs.
[22:08] <psyke83> I didn't see that fix, I thought that I got everything
[22:08] <_MMA_> Ill brb.
[22:11] <troy_s> psyke83: Any screenshots?
[22:11] <troy_s> psyke83: I'd love to check out your work.
[22:12] <psyke83> troy_s, well, _MMA_ is going to make some more modifications, but it will look the same, I guess.. one sec
[22:12] <troy_s> psyke83: Haven't seen it.  Drop something up on imagebin.ca if you have a second.
[22:13] <psyke83> http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.4.png
[22:13] <troy_s> psyke83: What element did you change?
[22:13] <psyke83> that's it, troy_s... the main differences are the ghosted buttons and that it's Color Picker compatible
[22:13] <psyke83> otherwise it's almost the same as the original
[22:14] <troy_s> psyke83: Are you working on evolving any engines at the moment?
[22:15] <psyke83> troy_s, I'm not sure what you mean... I'm not involved in coding the actual engines, just working on the theme files
[22:15] <troy_s> psyke83: Ah, I was mistaken.
[22:15] <psyke83> troy_s, I also created Human-Murrine-Mod and Human-Mod (Human, but Color Picker compatible)
[22:15] <troy_s> psyke83: I thought you were twiddling on the internals.
[22:15] <psyke83> nope
[22:16] <psyke83> _MMA_, I didn't see any differences in dealing with the panels, I'd be interested to see your mod when it's finished
[22:16] <_MMA_> psyke83: I found it. You didnt use my files as a base. Therefore you missed the changes to the panel.rc and metacity.xml.
[22:17] <psyke83> _MMA_, ah man, I didn't realize
[22:17] <_MMA_> Just drop those 2 files in and re-apply the theme. You'll see.
[22:17] <psyke83> copying everything but gtkrc should solve that, because the gtkrc includes everything (I just forgot some hilights)
[22:17] <psyke83> will do
[22:21] <psyke83> _MMA_, so you're now using the glossy window border in blue, what else?
[22:21] <psyke83> it seems the blue is different to the scrollbar
[22:21] <_MMA_> No. Should still be black.
[22:21] <_MMA_> 1 sec.
[22:21] <psyke83> _MMA_, no it's ok
[22:22] <psyke83> I had to pkill metacity to force an update (happens with all themes sometimes)
[22:22] <psyke83> it's black
[22:22] <psyke83> hmm no, it's blue again
[22:24] <_MMA_> psyke83: Please back up your current one. Apply a different theme and use this: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/UbuntuStudio-Mod.tar.gz
[22:29] <_MMA_> psyke83: Ahh.. Damn.
[22:29] <psyke83> what?
[22:29] <psyke83> _MMA_, the gtk-icon-sizes was moved to the top, it's double-listed
[22:30] <_MMA_> psyke83: Thats why I didnt set the text color to white. Open up gconf an look at the color of the arrows.
[22:30] <_MMA_> White on a white background. :(
[22:30] <_MMA_> Ill remove the icon line here.
[22:30] <psyke83> the prelight, you mean?
[22:31] <_MMA_> I believe thats what you call it.
[22:31] <psyke83> _MMA_, there's an inconsistency in your theme that I kept in...
[22:31] <psyke83> usually prelighted text is inverse, e.g. radiobuttons and checkmarks turn from white to black, but yours doesn't
[22:32] <psyke83> if you prelight to black, it will fix that problem
[22:32] <psyke83> my Human-Murrine-Mod theme already did that, but there was not such a great need with the colourscheme
[22:32] <_MMA_> Ok. Just tell me what line to change.
[22:32] <psyke83> one sec, let me check
[22:34] <_MMA_> np. Take your time. Im running around anyway.
[22:40] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'd like to set 'em to black.
[22:40] <_MMA_> Then I'll test to see what it effects.
[22:43] <_MMA_> psyke83: Also, the white text effects the calender applet. :(
[22:43] <psyke83> _MMA_, I'm gonna try to find a solution, give me a while, though
[22:44] <psyke83> worst case scenario, we go back to grey text
[22:44] <_MMA_> np. just noting it.
[22:44] <_MMA_> Sure.
[22:51] <psyke83> _MMA_, the problem is fg[NORMAL], we need to find out where to define an exception for the "expander" icons... do you know the proper name>
[22:51] <psyke83> ?
[22:52] <_MMA_> No... I have no clue what they're called.
[22:52] <_MMA_> Lemmie dig.
[22:53] <_MMA_> psyke83: I also gotta make the unfocused titlebar text another color other than white. I'd like it to go grey.
[22:54] <psyke83> not a problem
[22:54] <psyke83> it's the metacity section, probably text[INSENSITIVE], but I'll check
[22:54] <_MMA_> Maybe Glade can tell me the widget name for the arrows.
[22:56] <psyke83> hmm, is it GtkArrow?
[22:57] <_MMA_> Maybe, but Im unsure. The description sounds off.
[22:59] <_MMA_> psyke83: Maybe gtk.Expander or treeview?
[23:00] <psyke83> _MMA_, fixed, it was treeview
[23:00] <_MMA_> k
[23:01] <_MMA_> killer
[23:01] <psyke83> let me fix this up and send back to you
[23:01] <_MMA_> If you just worked on the gtkrc, just send that.
[23:03] <psyke83> ok
[23:07] <psyke83> _MMA_, I'll rename back to murrine-*, ok?
[23:08] <_MMA_> I think that would be best.
[23:08] <psyke83> _MMA_, what's wrong with the world time applet?
[23:09] <_MMA_> The nimbers for the month are white.
[23:09] <_MMA_> *numbers
[23:09] <psyke83> you want it inversed? it seems ok, though
[23:10] <_MMA_> I think that's gonna be a hard one.
[23:10] <_MMA_> ?
[23:10] <_MMA_> Ill show a screen shot.
[23:10] <_MMA_> 1 sec.
[23:10] <psyke83> before we fix that, what colour should we prelight the treeview icons? Currently it prelights to white, almost invisible
[23:11] <psyke83> ...although it's consistent with the checkmarks and radiobuttons, they stay white
[23:11] <_MMA_> Use your judgment.
[23:12] <_MMA_> psyke83: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/Screenshot.png
[23:13] <psyke83> _MMA_, ah! there's a bug on your system, it's fine for me
[23:13] <_MMA_> you on hardy?
[23:13] <psyke83> yep
[23:13] <_MMA_> 1 sec
[23:14] <_MMA_> Ok. Sorry. That's a gutsy/hardy difference. Looks fine on the Hardy box.
[23:14] <psyke83> it would be better to... ignore Gutsy ;)
[23:15] <_MMA_> Well that's what I'm talking to you on. The other issues still show on Hardy.
[23:15] <psyke83> _MMA_, do you want to prelight radiobuttons and checkmarks to black, by the way?
[23:15] <_MMA_> But yeah. I dont care how it looks on Gutsy.
[23:16] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'd rather not, if we can get around it.
[23:16] <psyke83> no problemo
[23:16] <psyke83> so I'll continue to prelight the treeview to white to be consistent; I'll send the gtkrc now
[23:16] <_MMA_> Prelighting them to black right? Instead of white?
[23:16] <_MMA_> Ok.
[23:16] <psyke83> _MMA_, prelight means the mouseover effect
[23:17] <psyke83> i.e. they are white, then turn black when moused over
[23:17] <_MMA_> Ahh.... Gotcha.
[23:17] <psyke83> it's up to you, it's good to show activity in my opinion, but there's already a background highlight effect
[23:17] <_MMA_> I think the highlight on the button and box are enough.
[23:17] <psyke83> ok
[23:18] <_MMA_> :)
[23:20] <psyke83> http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc
[23:20] <_MMA_> psyke83: Do you know a way to make the scroolbars one color and the prelight/clicked-on another?
[23:21] <psyke83> _MMA_, I don't think it's possible
[23:21] <psyke83> well.. hmm, let me check
[23:22] <_MMA_> Some think the blue is a bit much. Would be nice to do it for the prelight/clicked states.
[23:23] <psyke83> so you'd like, e.g. a black scrollbar that turns blue?
[23:23] <psyke83> (when clicked/highlighted)
[23:25] <_MMA_> Sure. Probably a grey or something but yeah.
[23:25] <psyke83> _MMA_, it's not possible, anyway... and I have another suggestion: get rid of the #222222 definition, it will ruin the effect when using custom colours
[23:25] <psyke83> just a min and I'll get a good shade definition for you
[23:25] <_MMA_> I like how it darkens the background of the scrollbar.
[23:26] <psyke83> _MMA_, that's fine, but we can get the same effect by using e.g. shade (0.5, @bg_color), which will then adapt to colour changes
[23:26] <psyke83> forget the value there, I need to test for the proper one
[23:26] <_MMA_> Cool. Try it.
[23:28] <_MMA_> The highlight color of the treeview arrows is white? They disappear on hover-over. Maybe use a gray or blue?
[23:30] <_MMA_> psyke83: Oh wow. Another bug in gconf. To the right of the treeview, there's a column that says "Name". It's all gray 'till you hover-over.
[23:31] <psyke83> _MMA_, gimme a min, I'm a little busy
[23:31] <_MMA_> np. Like I said. Just noting. I don't expect you to jump. ;)
[23:45] <psyke83> _MMA_, the treeview is much nicer now; a grey outline that prelights to solid black (including the inside)
[23:46] <psyke83> I'm checking the problem with gconf, do you know the name of that area?
[23:47] <_MMA_> Lemmie look again.
[23:47] <psyke83> frame title, perhaps
[23:47] <_MMA_> psyke83: 2 other things to look at, AptOnCD and gnome-control-center.
[23:48]  * _MMA_ fired up Glade.
[23:50] <psyke83> _MMA_, I think we're dealing with bugs in these applications, perhaps the dev thinking it's "more beautiful" to use a different coloured text than outlined in a HIG
[23:51] <_MMA_> Oh, you're preaching to the choir there. Try tellin' that to people submitting bugs to our theme.
[23:51] <_MMA_> :P
[23:52] <psyke83> _MMA_, the grey colour is hard-coded, it seems
[23:52] <psyke83> in the case of aptoncd
[23:52] <_MMA_> Yeah. I've seen that on other themes as well.
[23:52] <_MMA_> I should file a bug there.
[23:54] <_MMA_> psyke83: I really appreciate hacking on this but I don't wanna kill your Saturday. We can do more tomorrow or later in the week.
[23:54] <psyke83> _MMA_, I'm not doing anything tonight... I've a pretty uneventful life right now... my girlfriend is back in Brazil ;)
[23:55] <psyke83> but if you're bored, I'm gonna continue work on it anyway
[23:55] <_MMA_> Ahhh... Too bad. Where you at?
[23:55] <_MMA_> I'm in the states. Raleigh, NC.
[23:56] <psyke83> I'm in Dublin, Ireland right now
[23:56] <_MMA_> Killer. Im coming there May.
[23:57] <psyke83> nice :)
[23:57] <psyke83> good it's not now, because the weather is very cold
[23:57] <psyke83> I came from Sao Paulo with an average temp. of 25 degrees C, to Dublin, which is currently averaging at 1C most days
[23:57] <_MMA_> haha. I miss the cold. I moved to the southern states and you really cant call it "winter".
[23:59] <_MMA_> And I'm not bored. Just didn't want to pressure you. I'm just sitting here watching a movie with the kids atm. :P
[23:59] <psyke83> ;)